Is An Engine Swap Worth It, On This Toro Mower
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Thanks for watching. Why would anyone swap engines on a lawnmower? Easy, because it saves you from buying a new overpriced mower.
This video is meant as entertainment, always practice safety. - Авто та транспорт
Never did a swap but I did replace two new B&S engines on my 27 year old Snapper. Engines can be lots cheaper than mowers. The old Snapper deck has no rust... absolutely bullet proof.
yes you are correct the engines can be found for a decent price.
10/4 on a Snapper!
In this day of high inflation, it makes sense to use good used equipment either engine/mower deck, ect. Right now I'm working on a project, putting a 25 horsepower V twin on an older Murry 40 inch that had a 12 horsepower that just wore out. It has a few challenges, but nothing I can't handle, like the exhaust. That's not too difficult. I will have duel exhaust when I'm finished
very nice!
I think you forgot an important component of engine swap. While shaft diameter IS important, shaft length is more so. I discovered this when I put a Honda GCV160 on a Craftsman to replace a blown Tecumseh. It bolted up ok, but gave a very close shave because the shaft length on the Honda was longer.
oh yes you are right.
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Recently decided to do an engine replacement on my push mower. As you noted, new mower prices are very high, even for the most basic units. I loved my Craftsman Rear-Bagger 21" unit because the deck was very rugged and it performed well. The engine was getting really hard to start and after trying things like replacing the carburetor, I discovered that the spark plug was getting oil-fouled (rings or scoring most likely). Decided to go with a new predator 173cc engine so I could keep the original deck. The only issue I ran into was with the arbor for the blade (blade adapter). After searching out You Tube posts, I found one on this specific subject. Runs and functions great again. You are spot on about the feeling of accomplishment!
very nice work and thank you!
You know those properties with old trucks and mower sitting in tall grass? 1 in 10 of those guys actually fix stuff using this approach. The 9 other still roam suburban roads, scouring the curbside for more 'gold' they will 'rescue'.
I didn't know that
I’ve did quite a few engine swaps and as you know as long as the hold down bolts come out then it’s pretty easy. PB blaster is a life saver
you got that right
great video. your filming is always top notch. pretty interesting swap to see it work out.
Thanks 👍
I’ll usually do anything in my ability to repair and save one of those Tecumseh engines, even if that means rebuilding the entire thing. As long as the engine block itself is still in good condition, I can pretty much fix it. And if you look in the right places, you can still find replacement crankshaft, pistons, rods, and any other internal engine part because of how heavily mass produced those engines were.
I know, I think I still have this engine, in storage. I want to take a better look at it and try and save it too.
I have done many engine changes, both push mowers and riders, I enjoy working on power equipment
you and me both!
Yes I would not only consider it, but have done it and you hit the nail right on the head when you said it was the feeling of pride once you were done and it all ran right.
thank you William Snow, Glad to see, it's not just me.
If the mower frame is still in great shape I have to say the engine swap is worth it
makes sense
@@HomeGaragechannel yes it does 👍
I just did an ending swap on my personal mower. Had an old craftsman 917 self propelled rear wheel drive that the deck cracked, but motor was great. Found a Toro Personal Pace rear wheel drive at a yard sale with a bad motor for free. Both had the same Briggs motor and everything from mounts and cables and pulley lined up perfectly. I did have to use the blade from the Craftsman because of the bolt size. The now Toro, cuts better than it ever.
Typo... *Engine swap*
Not ending swap
nice work!
the engine sounds great 👍 I noticed a lot of surging at the first start but it did seem to get better 😀😀 another reason that the self propelled could be slow is that the drive belt is stretched & slipping on the pulley glad to see another good 👍 engine saved the deck cleaned up nicely 😃😀 job well done 👍 sir 👍
you know, I don't remember what happened to that mower, but I'm sure I got it working a bit better, at least good enough to be sold.
I do this all the time. It's a great way to put some of those old mowers back in service.
you're correct
I did on one a couple years ago. My mom's mower quit running and mine had a rusted deck. Put my engine on her deck to get me by. I called it frankenmower but it made the grass shorter
nice work.
I have done a few and they all worked out great. It saves time and money.
you got that right! Thank you PAUL SHROPSHIRE
Lawn mower engine swaps are fun and not too hard. I am planning to replace a very nice 2009 Husqvarna garden tractor's mower deck with a completely different garden tractor brand deck. This is a little tricky but also a lot of fun. My Husqvarna tractor was given to me for free but it did not have a mower deck. So, I got a 1982 Craftsman deck for free (also in great shape) & once finished I will have a very nice garden tractor. Cheers.
thank you Chicago Bears for sharing your experience
Yes, because the Deck on the Black Max was trashed and the Toro was still in good condition Resellable for aroud 125.00
yes sir
Mine was a pain but was worth it. A Snapper walk behind for $15 but had a H A R D life. The gearbox was full of leaves and needed a pinion and bearings and grease. The engine was shot and it takes a LOT to kill a flathead. Bent crank to boot. Buddy saw guy gave me a wrecked Deere with a Kawasaki 6 horse. The swap was interesting. Briggs and Kawasaki are opposite about carbs and mufflers. Carb on the Snapper with the Kawa was fine but the muffler was next to the nylon chute to the bag. A 1 inch copper 'L' fastened to the muffler guard over the exhaust exit solved that. NO blade adapter but made one out of the blade clutch since the crank was smaller than the Briggs. Been several years and have done nothing to the Kawasaki (overhead valve) but change oil and air filters. Always starts 2nd pull and runs sweet. Mows like a rug and still has the DEERE sticker on the recoil to mess with people. I'd do it again for the better running but still like my old Briggs flatheads. BLESSINGS!
they are definitely great engines, and worth fixing and transplanting, thank yo Lewie McNeely.
@@HomeGaragechannel That one has been a dandy. I hjad a 420V on a 4-foot Ex-mark walk behind, belt drive. It never had anything but oil changes nd an air filter sometimes and it';s stil going. I gave it to my brother-in-laws bvrother because he has a lot of steep banks to mow. The Ex-mark book said if you could walk it, it would cut it. It did and still does.
Haha I just sold one of those black max mowers like a week ago! That is a good engine on there
I agree
I did an engine swap on my Toro. The spark plug cracked, and some porcelain got in my cylinder and scored it so badly that the compression was shot. Found the same Tecumseh engine on another Toro with a rusted frame for $60.
thank you Kevin Colonel and nice work
just swapped out a suzuki for a kawi on my toro 22040, few hundred bucks later and it’s back like new compared to the nearly 1800 for a new unit
you saved a lot of money then, nice work.
I always find when swapping them I put some grease on the blade adapter then slide it on. then if in the future you need to remove it its so much easier to get it off. You can make some really nice mowers out of a franken mower. I have one myself along with my toro a nice high wheeled yard man. worked out really well though it wasn't self propelled. did the same for my grandpa when he really wanted to keep a old 80's briggs engine and we found a really nice deck and i made it exactly how he wanted it. Hes like they dont make them how i want anymore. this was in the early 2000s and fixed everything up with an older deck his engine and he was happy. So yeah I think its a really good idea. plus a shame to waste a perfectly good engine or vice versa with a real good deck.
I agree, take the good engine off, and keep it for another project.
Did one with a Briggs on two identical Masports. Cherry picked good parts and even transferred the stickers (peel after sitting in the sun for an hour).
nice work!
Great video my friend
Thank you RayFpv!
Well done!!
thanks
I currently have a tor personal pace with a clutch/blade system and a bad engine and I have the same engine with a direct drive blade I am swapping on to it.
nice, good luck to you
💯% on yes to swapping engines!
thank you
I can do that & my dad used to fit the old Australian built Victa 2 stroke engines onto the deck of where a Briggs and Stratton engine once sat !
nice choice!
Forgot to mention Owner said the Cub Cadet was full serviced at 100 hours. It had 0 oil in it when I looked at it causing CATASTROPHIC FAILURE.
that would do it.
I engine swapped a used Honda GCV160 engine from a rotted out Honda IZY on to an Allen (now Toro) 221 hover mower deck which replaced a burned up 2 stroke Tecumseh engine. The cables were the worst part because the GCV engine is backward on a hover deck so when it is on a steep slope it doesn’t ingest it’s own engine oil, meaning the throttle and engine brake cables need to be twice the normal length.
I've never had the pleasure of working on a hover mower. I'd like to some day.
@@HomeGaragechannel they are just a very basic rotary mower with a fan disk mounted just above the blade & the cut height is adjusted by adding or removing a blade spacer, i have two Toro hover mowers, a 21’ (Honda GCV 160) & an 18” (Honda GCV 135). The smaller one has the option to run either a metal blade or heavy gauge plastic cords.
I hate to say it but those early auto choke Hondas are a pain in the arse!
Agree. Sometimes it works but often either the return spring is too taut and it opens the choke before you can get back to the handle & pull cord or its too weak and the choke never reopens fully.
yes I didn't like the "dial" style chokes either.
I do engine swaps often and always keep a few used engines in stock.
me too, it's very handy for sure.
5:30 It’s definitely a great feeling to fix something yourself that’ll last for years. The engine looks original, except for the label!
Yeah, cool part is you can still get a label, Thank you 5Rounds Rapid.
Yea I swap all the time. The three hole design is the same as briggs etc and it's the same bolt pattern for the later victa 160cc two stroke only phased out 90°.
thank you Gasman's Workshop
When I change a motor out I try to find a "match" whenever possible and change the covers. There are Quantum powered mowers everywhere out here so it's usually pretty easy to do.
that's a good way of doing it.
@Home Garage I don't like to keep much in the way of spares, so I love it when I have one sitting around and another comes in with little oil and fewer rings.
me too
you need more subs man
I appreciate that.
very nice job, I did my first engine swap on a 93 craftsman LT4000. replaced the 14hp kohler with a 12.5hp briggs. nothing wrong with the kohler, that went to a different machine. video on my channel.
thank you Josh Kilen.
As long as the shaft diameter and length are the same it works well.
you are correct
I would say simply remove the blackmax sticker and leave leave it at that. You will have a great little Toro with a Honda that looks all original!
Not a bad idea
5:49 i dont know why but to me the engine sound so badass and old school💯💯
thanks!
Just curious
What de greaser do you use cos it looks very good in ur other vids
Good job on the vids btw
thanks, this vide is very old so I don't recall what I'm using but If I had to guess it's orange cleaner or stale gasoline. However I've started using the degreaser from Harbor Freight now and it's the best stuff and at very good price.
@@HomeGaragechannel thanks
Story of my life lol. Not everything is interchangeable
very true
I've done lots of mower engine swaps. Something I liked doing.
Me too!
I would do it for more hp say I had a 5 hp motor already on it but I had a 13 hp laying around
nice!
Seeing as you had the self propel belt on the mower already, being able to swap the blade adapter over was ideal. If you're not able to, as long as the shaft length and adapter sits similarly to the original one, you can get away with a slightly different size belt. I've had to do that on a handful of occasions.
On a separate note, do you know what make/model your puller is? Mine doesn't have the little hat on the end of the screw part and makes it pretty difficult to keep the pointed tip on top of bolts. I'd love to have one with that end hat piece to be able to sit flush on the bolt head!
thanks, and you make a good point about the belt. I believe the puller came from Harbor Freight.
HG what are your thoughts on the Harbor Freight Predator mower engine?
not my favorite, I have bought and used them though, and they get the job done. Not found of the 7/8" shaft.
As long as l have a good motor and deck, then l would do a swap. But l wouldnt if either were in less than fair condition
well said
Yes, usually rusted frames replacement
I agree.
Do you think you would be possible to put a plain old push mower motor on to a mower with self-propelled and blade clutch????
yes but you'd probably have to use an adaptor to increase the size from 7/8" to 1".
Ok thanks
Funny you should post this today. Today I picked up a VERY NICE 123 hour Cub Cadet with A Kohler Command engine on it. Owner stated that it started to smoke and shake when he was mowing and he shut it off. When I Took a looked at I found a 6”x 8” piece of the engine had just blown off.what would you recommend I do.
I would recommend you find a replacement engine.
@@HomeGaragechannel would you go fora long or short block
short
I swaped a engine on a Viking lawn mower and Made 90 dollar profit
nice work
What’s the site u use called
FB market place and Craigslist .
My situation is kind of the opposite of this, the deck is perfect but the engine is probably shot, the closest engine I have in power is a 21' with a briggs quantum. I'm going to adjust the carburetor to run richer and increase the speed a little bit. The engine was free so I don't mind giving it some extra work. Great video, your content is always a nice watch in school.
thank you TheRandom Man
I see you didn't drill and tap the crankshaft to 7/16 nf blade might be out of balance. I would swap
no I didn't
Well I learned engine swaps from Home Garage
thank you Matt Caldwell.
A reason for doing an engine swap? Well, I can tell you.
Lets say a customer brings in a 2008 Toro Recycler mower with the very last generation 6.5 HP Tecumseh on it because it doesn´t start. Now the deck and rest of the mower aren´t looking to good, rust, wear, the usual. But apart from a gummed up carb the engine is fine... Now I wouldn't be in any way interested in the deck, but certainly in the engine. So, how do I make myself AND the customer happy? It´s easy. There is some random Briggs Quantum lying around which just happens to have the right shaft. Its not very old, not very new, quite worn out and shabby, but with a bit of work will at least start and run smooth. Also there are some Toro specific parts from a Quantum that threw a rod... I´ll be dammed, but I´d fix up that Tecumseh while it´s still on the deck and do a full rejuvenating job on it so that it runs excellent and is as clean as it was from the factory. Then I´ll rip it off there, clean the deck up as best as I could without investing any money, and get that old Quantum on there including the Toro specfic parts. Minimal investion in parts, just scramble together whatever is in the used stash. Clean it up, make sure it looks nice and runs well, no money invested except for a new gasket between the air filter and the carb so that the primer works and the engine starts on the first or second pull.
The customer doesn´t care about what kind of engine is on there as long as it doesn´t give him any trouble. I tell him the old engine couldn´t be repared anymore and therefore you did an engine swap. But it´s ok, he doesn´t have to pay much, it´s only xy bucks (the price of the carb and maintenance job on the Tecumseh you pulled off). Now the customer is happy because he has a running mower and it didn´t cost him much and you are happy because you got rid of that uninteresting, worn Briggs Quantum as well as some other parts noone needs AND you have a nice fully working last generation Tecumseh. Win-Win situation.
nice thanks for explaining that
@@HomeGaragechannel Cheers, comes natural to me! And it´s not a rip off although it might look like it on first glance.