Honda mower gets more horse power and torque with an engine swap
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In this video, we swap a bigger engine on this Honda mower.
Now you’re talking! That is exactly what this mower needed
You bet, now its a hundred times better!
Good job swaping the engine. Hope you open the old engine to see the crank and rod.
That's the plan!
Put a V8 on it 😂
@McGuire it’s a joke
A chevy big block v8 would fit perfectly
I don't think so Tim!! Lol
Hello Home garage I think it was a good idea to swap the engine
thank you Paul Burns.
I would definitely try to swap engines, however, you need to know I can take 2 perfectly good mowers and turn them into junk in just a few minutes. Knowledge and skill are limited but the enthusiasm is there. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for sharing
Excellent, & great filming. I did the opposite; I put a GCV160 on a high end HRX217. It is working great and, yes, three bolts will hold just fine although four obviously provides added strength. My donor engine came from a Husqvarna mower & was cast with just 3 threaded bolt holes. The GCV190 is listed as having 8.4 ft. lbs. of torque vs. 6.9 for the GCV160. So, about 21% more ...but both are tough engines & plenty powerful enough.
thank you for sharing your experience and nice job
Hello HG . Great job. Be sure that the lengh from the deck is the same on both engines. Diameters for the puley and clutch too. Good swap for everybody !
Thanks for the tip!
That mower was like my old bike when I shift gears. It makes a clanking sound when it goes.
I was just about to comment on another Video if you could do an engine swap, but then this video released.
good timing
@@HomeGaragechannel Yes.
Nice save. Engine swap yes. I just did it with two Troy Bilt pressure washers. Three bolts. Easy peasey.
thanks but The only problem with the engines they use on power washers is that the shaft size is 7/8" and not 1". Also I do believe the are also about an inch shorter than the ones on these engines.
Yes I would. I have done an engine swap on a commercial walk behind. Good job looking forward to the rest of the series on this mower!!
thank you nashguy207
Yay new engine!! it needed it.
I know right, best part was the price!
Once you get the blades and cut sorted out I’m telling you it’s gonna leave a beautiful looking cut. These Honda’s cut so nicely!
I absolutely agree with you
Yes, if i could get a perfectly fine deck out running again by doing an engine swap, sure I would do it. I have done a lot of engine swaps thru the years.
I do have a lot of spare engines, as our poor weather in Scandinavia eats up the mower decks😅
that makes sense
Buy once, buy klippo ;-)
@@7eis exactly. Great mowers, if taken care of
In Quebec (eastern Canada) we've got about the same temperature swings as you get (+35C to -40C, even lower in the north as I've seen -48C personally), but I never got any trouble with mower decks; is it because you're nearer to the sea and the air is full of salt?
@@claudehebert3131 I believe you are correct
Great result mate. Worth the effort.
Thanks 👍
This was a very good return on the price of that bigger & better engine - congrats. It's perfect that you had a clean carb and refurb'ed starter to put on the "new" GVC190. When you did the compression test, I'm glad you mentioned to spin the engine so that the compression release does not distort the reading. As an example, I recently tested the compression on the OHV Tecumseh 6 HP on my Ariens snow blower, and at first, I forgot about the compression release and pulled the rope. I got numbers around 50-55 PSI. Then I remembered what I was doing wrong, and plugged in the electric start, and I got around 130 PSI, which is not bad for a 2008 engine. I will have to use a drill & socket to spin my mower's engine some time and see how that one is.
thanks Tom Lewis, I'll have to come up with a sticker.
I did this when I swapped out the Briggs on the Ninja Snapper for the Kawasaki. Kawasaki and Briggs are set up backwards as far as intake and exhaust so it was really interesting. Shaft size was different and the Deere the Kawa was on had a blade clutch which ended up making a fine blade adapter and a copper 90 degree sweat fitting ended up making another exhaust gas outlet from the mower to get the exhaust away from the plastic bag chute. After finally after everything got fitted it's run perfectly from then on. And yes, I'd do it again. Good job and Thanks!
very ingenious work.
@@HomeGaragechannel We all have to use what we have or go broke or everything stays broke.
Great swap. Yesterday I bought what I thought was a GCV-160 to do a swap on a mower but it turned out to be a GCV-190 instead, I might have other plans for it now.
that sounds like a plan
I actually picked up two mowers this summer for free. one from a neighbor and one on the side of the road, I have projects for both the motors. the first things for them just want to get them up and running.
nice, thank you McKais Kimmes.
You are the best you always show me how to service an engine
thanks I appreciate it.
Hey HG. Good job and yes I would do the same if the deck is in good shape.
thank you Steven Chandler
Great job. You made it look so so easy on that engine swap. 👍🙏👍🙏👍🙏
Thanks 👍 I appreciate it.
It’s alive! 👏🏻
it sure is
Hey buddy, nice re-power for a great price. I volunteer at our local scout camp and have to repair push mowers and zero turn units seasonally. We have had mowers with rotten decks get scrapped and save the engine for another day. Thanks for all you do! 👍
nice, best thing you can do, save what's good! Thank you daphlavor
This man replied and liked every comment what a legend
I did an engine swap on my 25 year old snow blower a couple of years ago. Not much harder than yours, just had to make a hole in the belt cover. Again it was a higher horsepower engine. Works like a top.
nice work Darrell Bedford
I pulled apart two Honda mowers , rebuilt one from the bottom up , and restored the other . One is now used all summer long at an apartment building I gave it to, and the other mower we have at home , still missing a blade !
nice work Ev an
The swap was a good idea and got a decent price on it too. I hope you still take the other engine apart though just so we can see the damage. I have a garage full of good used engine parts. Mostly cause I can't help myself and break down broken engines into usable spare parts. I often sell them on eBay if I build up too big of a supply of any one thing. My wife just shakes her head when she looks at my wall bins and rolls her eyes as she walks by me. 😝
nice work, nothing wrong with selling on Ebay. Yes I plan on taking it apart to see the damage.
definitely something I would do. awesome job with it. I love all of these informative videos. thank you. cheers
Awesome, thank you!
sounds much better now well done 👍
I completely agree with you on that.
That’s awesome. Great fix. Love the in depth step by step.
Thanks I really do appreciate it
Good job there
thank you Alan Lake
Another great video thanks mate for your time I really enjoy your channel
Thanks
This was an awesome engine swap, I´d do it exactly the same way in this case.
thank you V-G-Z
Well done good clear instruction guide. Cheers Ed
Glad it helped
I'll tackle one thanks to you!
nice!
Great job! I would like to see a rebuild on the old engine. Since most engines have carburetor problems from poor storage, it would be somewhat of a PITA, but it would make a great video!
if I recall the main issue, on this and most Hondas, was a lack of lubrication, from zero maintenance. The upper bearing, was absolutely trashed, because it's the furthest away, from what little Oil was available. To rebuild it, I would have to replace the upper back half, of the block or put a sleeve in. The first option, would be "economically" unviable, and the second would require machining, which I'm certain would not be cheap either.
How do we store the mower properly? Not to ruin the carburettor
They are excellent mowers and yes I would do the swop of the engine
thank you Efrain Vazquez, and me too.
If you're the type of person that will change your own oil in your car or truck then you should absolutely swap an engine in your mower.
sure thing
I would do the swap myself. I believe in trying things yourself as long as you feel you can do it.
that's a good way of thinking about it.
Yes I try to do it thank you for the video
Thank you!
I've had the same mower for 12-15 years. This past year it started wearing out, loose drive train, motor smoking a little, etc. I decided to buy a new one and looked around. Ended up finding a free Honda mower on the curb that seemed in decent shape so I brought it home. It wouldn't run and I found the ground was loose. I fixed that and it started right up. Did some maintenance (oil, sharpen blade, adjust drive train) and it's working perfectly.
Would I do an engine swap? probably not. People in my area throw things out when they have even the simplest issue, so getting a free mower would be a simple FB Marketplace or Craigslist search.
you are correct. Than you Fix Until Broken
My dads Honda lawnmower has the 186cc GSV190 engine fitted as well & it needs a rebuild as it burns oil at 18 years of age.
Once it comes to engine swaps you have to know what you're doing with ride on lawnmowers (lawn tractors) because they have a PTO clutch fitted which needs a suitably sized generator on it to run it.
You need to decide whether you need a charging system at all.
As far as scrap lawnmowers go they get recycled in my area anyway,our local aluminium smelter recycles aluminium & I'm looking forward to hearing from them about work !
Nice, hopefully you get it
It's not hard to swap an engine. The hardest part about it is dealing with a seized blade adapter and reattaching the mounting bolts when installing the new one on the deck. This one turned out really well. I would have probably done the same thing with this one.
yes Sir
Honda has the BEST lawnmower engines as far as 4-cycle and 2 stroke KNOWN TO MAN. I'm sorry, there's no comparison.
It's sad that Honda stopped making these engines, although you can get the replacements still, they discontinued MAKING lawnmowers, I think that is WELL deserved, they really have made the BEST ones of that size, I wish they would make a 30-inch like the Toro Timemasters, I WANT to put a honda engine on a Toro Timemaster FRAME, that is my LONG-TERM goal, IF I can't put a GCV200, GCV190, or something like that on there, I want to put MAYBE a WX10 engine or something similar to that, even at low RPMS those things put out some serious output, but I don't think a Gear Reduction would fit there haha.
thank you, I really like this comment
A great repair vid, I have one to do some drive belt replacement on. I think you should also suggest to measure crank length from bottom of engine mount face to shaft blade bolt up. I did an engine swap years ago and mower cutting was effected because crank was different length. It was not a Honda though. Just something to be aware of
you are absolutely correct.
Easy swap. Good job
Thanks 👍
Good idea , and you have spare parts left over.
Yes we do
Wow, good job!
Thank you! Cheers!
Not a bad price for that engine since you already had another to take parts off of, and you can always disassemble the old engine and sell the parts on eBay to make your money back. This past winter I bought a 1971 Ariens snow thro snowblower for cheap but it didn't come with an electric starter, I found someone selling a junk one and got it for $40, which is what it would cost for a used starter alone, I parted out everything and made about $200.
nice work, I might have to do that.
Another excellent video.
Glad you enjoyed it
Blessings...
Yes, I would have no issues tackling an engine swap like this. Hopefully the shaft lengths are the same?
for this one, fortunately they were.
Quick tip: You should be able to find a blacksmith/machinist in your area that can sharpen and balance the old blade instead of replacing it, it will save you money and should be sharper than original + outlast the mower :)
thanks
It sounds good and runs good 👍
thank you Heath Wilson
Can you please do a video for a Briggs and Stratton for replacing the valves and piston rings? Like a B and S that’s typically on a lawn boy?
My video on my other channel will tear down a B&S engine to try and rebuild it, but in the end, the cost is prohibitive. The piston, rings, rod and both gasket was over $100. Even if you don't replace your rod, you said the valves need to be replaced? both of them cost as much as the rod so it's still the same price. For less than $100 you can buy a used mower with a perfectly good engine already
@@HomeGaragechannel yes. But I have a lot of scrap mowers and I’m trying to learn. Cost isn’t a deterrent for me. What’s your other channel?
yes but only thanks to this video!
Thank you too!
Nice video! My only critique is that you missed having the drive belt pulley key installed at 8:40. If it's missing, the pulley can (most likely will) spin and damage the crank snout.
Thanks for the tips!
@@HomeGaragechannel, you're welcome.
This engine swap was well needed, now. I have to ask, if you could have the ultimate personal lawn care setup, what-mower, string trimmer, and blower would you use. Also, what kinda trimmer line do you like to use, i like the Echo strait fire line, it cut really good.
Nice question. I would use a mid level honda mower, plastic deck and self propel, trimmer would be an echo srm225, blower would be a a high end echo backpack that mainly for the leaves. Stihl hand held for just grass.
@@HomeGaragechannel Wow I own all of these same lawn equipment best combo
Great vid
thank you Michael Gonzales.
I swapped over a self-propel system from one snapper to another snapper without self propel. Not worth the time, but kinda just did it for fun
I agree with you.
Nice engine swap out. For a video idea! Could you take the old engine apart to see what the damage is.
That's the plan!
I love adding power to things more power more power
I completely agree with you
My cousin Sam his son drag races of these engines are some engines some variant of this engine with a lot of power somewhere in Oregon is all I know
Sorry the Briggs & Stratton we use an eight horse pulling up Dungeness crab pots they're about 100 lbs about 40 to 60 fetal line
very nice
that makes sense
The original engine being a over head cam . sounds like the cams might be bent or the valve stems might be bent also
possibly, we'll see when I tear it down
I wanna go this to a commercial Honda mower with the gxv 390. It would be a tank.
you got that right.
Nice. You got the blades upside down, bud?
according to ereplacementparts dot com, for the hrr216 5vxaa, the lift blade is down and the mulch is closer to the deck.
@@HomeGaragechannel So you found out later.
@@HomeGaragechannel Good job, I was anticipating a problem with the carburetor because of the larger engine size which could’ve been fixed with different jets but by the time you’re done you could probably buy the cheap aftermarket carburetor cheaper
@@HomeGaragechannel Always look for corrosion outlines/wear patterns when reinstalling blades.
Ah.. you're a very smart person. I might have to see if theres a difference in jetting an throat size between the carbs. Thank for the video Idea!
That’s good mower
Thank you Heath Wilson
Home garage is a small engine wizard
thanks I appreciate that.
It may have been the angle of the camera, but I think I saw the body around the motor flexing. It could be like you said . Bad blades or the motor has too much torque for the frame. I had one flex so bad that it cracked the frame.
can you give me a time stamp so I see it too?
@@HomeGaragechannel It starts right at 11:11 you can only see it on full seen. After watching it again I think it's an optical illusion caused by the pull rope moving back and forth. Watch it at the top of the engine and see if you can see it moving. Heck, it could just be my eyes fooling me.
I just paid $15 for an OEM carb on this engine. Even the OEM are super cheap on this one.
could you send me the link for the one you bought
Would love to see a vid about the transmission. When my Honda gets extremely hot it starts to slip. I normally run it on setting 2. When it starts to slip, I can use settings 1 or 3, but those are either to fast or to slow.
A couples of videos before this one, are videos where I open a couple of transmissions.
No problem to swap the engine on my part however the cost ratio need to be favorable.
you are correct
My mower has been knocking like that for 13 years now and still runs. I’ve considered fixing/replacing it, but I just can’t bring myself to do it since it just keeps running.
Nice, 13 years, what brand is it?
@@HomeGaragechannel Craftsman with the 6.75 HP Briggs & Stratton 190cc. EDIT: I bought it from Sears as a "customer return". The first owner bought it new, ran it one time without oil, it seized on first run (obviously), he returned it. Sears said it ran fine after putting oil in it, so they sold it to me for $150.
@@NorthernChev isn't that amazing
I have the same 190cc briggs quantum freebie. it just keeps knocking away. I put over 50+ hours on it.
@@1NutDude nice, I don't think it's going to break anytime soon.
Ive got the same model
cool
Is that a clutch/PTO for the blades? Have to say that's the first time I've ever seen that on a push mower. Is it a new thing or maybe just less common? Only push mowers I've ever used have been a straight shaft down to the blades (and belt drive to the front wheel drive). Either way excellent well put together video. I wonder if there's any noticeable difference in power (such as in tough grass conditions, tall/thick/wet, etc) between the GCV160 and 190.
Also to answer the question, as someone who does all my own work on my vehicles (aside from inspections and tires), I would for sure engine swap a mower. For me it's worth the learning experience and to have the job done correctly.
Thanks for the comment Ixionn, a clutch PTO has been around for awhile, mainly available for commercial equipment, but it was an option for residential grade too. Most people didn't buy them tho has the price was a bit then normal for it.
Sounded like the engine was running a bit fast. Possibly above 3600 RPM when it should be closer to 3200.
I think you're right.
Depends on deck quality. An old Toro/Snapper aluminum deck yeah why not? Old beaten up, naa.
Question, have you ever replaced those carb bolts with a/an all thread and nut setup? All the gaskets and shields on that carb is a booger bear for assy..... TIA
not yet, I always told myself I would do it one day, and I never do.
I do motor swaps all the time. Whenever I get a mower with a bad deck it gets parted out and the motor is saved for another project.
Nice process.
NICE
Thanks
Yes I would
thank you!
Engine swaps are easy. I’m 14 and I can usually swap an engine on a tractor in under 24hrs
That's awesome
I can do it in about 30mins or a hour for twin cylinders I work at a lawn mower shop
@@conner5611 I could probably get it done in that time too but I go and take all the parts I need or want off of it and I also take the engine apart to scrap the aluminum in it
Great machine makes perfect work👍🙏👋🇵🇭
Yes it does!
I thought the breather tube is only a one-way check valve where is the crankcase pressure gets too high it releases I could be wrong but I didn't think that the engine suck in air through that valve but only expelled are if the pressure in the crankcase got too high
yes I think it only lets blow by air out of the engine and back to the air box.
Running the governor up higher on the Honda mower has nothing to do with the engine failure I say with certainty running it on low oil was the problem
You are probably right
I got the answer on that cub asked about today he said he got it out won't even try to start he's gonna drop it off when it gets a little warmer here would app. Any ideas never had one do that I'll let you know how I make out thanks
I'd need to know more information, let me know when you get it, then we'll try to figure it out,
Thank you sir will b in touch your the best
Wow, just great job as usual. I restored a 71 MGB and don’t think I’d tackle that job. How long did it take you?
if I had to guess probably about 3 - 4 hours but I was also filming
honda mowers are the best.
thank you Donovan Thoesen, I agree with you.
If i had that mower with the blade clutch i would just remove the whole blade clutch system and just modify the mower to use it without the complicated system.
me too.
fixing that kind of engines is very simple, i would fix the engine and make something else with the other engine
Did you have a video on the transmission service you mentioned
no I don't
Nice quality video! Got a sub from me! I would sharpen the blades.
Thank you Michael Denton
I would change the engine ,I have done engine changes in other makes successfully.
thank you Edward MacDonald
Home Garage hope. You see this. I got a hhr216 with blade control brake...but engine is toast. I have a old hrb216 with a good engine the hrb216 has the Roto stop system. Any tips I might need to swap engines?
sure, check and make sure that the shaft dimensions are the same before swapping
Should’ve done a Cummins swap
I don't think the deck would support the weight.
when there’s a will there’s a way
Why you pour the oil out of a small engine like this, I'd find like an old 8x8 baking pan and sit that inside the oil drain pan, I've found when you pour the thick straight 30 or Xw40 or Xw50 oil out of a mower into an automotive drain pan meant to hold several quarts you really can't transfer the oil to another container to ger rid of it since it's thick and a half quart of oil just sticks to the sides of the big pan but an 8x8 pan is about perfect and you can pour the majority of it out without having to waste half a roll of paper towels to wipe almost a half a quart of oil that's spread out over an automotive size catch pan.
do it the way you find the easiest.
YOU GOOD 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
thank you
Did you rejet the carb? I would think the old carb on the new larger engine might be a tad lean.
ah, I think you might be on to something
I would like to know how it's performing please let me know how this engines working I considering doing the same thing to mine almost the exact same swap
when mowing season starts back up, I'll let you know.
easiest way to add a couple percent of power by doing nothing? Use ethanol-free fuel
Sure
Bro you are doing Honda owner things lol
You didnt adjust the governor.
I guess I didn't