the best water based gloss paint - Johnstones Aqua Water Based Gloss - the brush killer
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Introducing Jonhstone's Aqua Water Based Gloss (Aqua System) - the renowned brush killer! When it comes to testing water-based gloss paints, is this the ultimate choice in the UK today?
This particular product has gained a reputation for being incredibly effective in its purpose, although there's an intriguing twist. While attempting to clean brushes with water, it has been known to cause damage, leading to the question: does this mean it's not a genuine water-based product?
I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this matter.
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I’ve been using this for years probably since first came out, it’s brilliant paint drys quickly and doesn’t be come see through when dry like others…. I’ve used this internally & externally and never had any issues! As for brushes clean in cool water not hot but after that when almost dry or dry give them a clean in some turps/brush cleaner as like you say it’s not pure water based, the cleaner will be better for your brush. By far the best water gloss out there and it’s very hard if impossible to tell it’s not oil based 👍
That arroworthy brush didn't clean out.
Maybe it depends on bristle of the brush being used.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator I always use a synthetic brush… pre wet before use and If doing slot of glossing I clean it out about every 30-45mins to stop it clogging up … works for me… sprays well as well 😃
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator also try the Dulux Trade Quick Dry Gloss… very similar to the Johnstones but doesn’t mess the brush up as much
Definitely a brush killer! Yea, as others have said, its a hybrid. Yes its a fantastic gloss finish for water based but I’ve gone off the stuff. Colour steadfastness isn’t the best. Either oil gloss for me or stick to a true water based gloss. Been using Caparol PU-Gloss, not bad stuff
What does the PU mean for their gloss?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Polurethane. It’s an acrylic enamel 👍🏼 I know some that for the first coat will mix 50/50 haft primer with the pu-gloss. Then finish with a coat of the gloss. But yea, for sure, a higher gloss using Jonno’s aqua u/c and gloss but as you say, killer on the brush. I find caparol nicer to use too plus it wont yellow as not a hybrid. Again, love your videos Phil! Sure you’ll get the Porsche in no time 😄
It’s a good gloss but there’s a specific way to wash this aqua system out.
Use a new brush and when your finished You need to first wash out with cold water. Spin out your brush. Then wash out your brush in “clean spirit” not white spirit. Then re wash out your brush in water. Job done. Brush brand new again.
I’ve never come across anyone else’s that actually knows this either. 😉
bit of a faff for a waterbased paint ;)
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator can’t disagree with that. Don’t use the stuff personally anymore but that’s the solution anyways pal 😉
A lot of poncing about though
johnstones is without doubt now the best paint for money on the market especially their emulsions. Cellulose thinners works Phil for water alkyd's
Dulux waterbased gloss has a high gloss finish but it’s hard to use as it loves to run. Good videos phill keep them coming 👍🏻
You'll like the next few videos.
Another good comparison video Phil , eventually gloss as an interior finish will die out and hopefully with it the hybrids obviously I’m not a fan they are neither one thing or the other , although to be fair there is a lot of room for improvement with water based finishes as regards coverage and opacity, for the past few years and probably the next few years we as a trade are being used as Guinea pigs for paint companies every two minutes there seems to be a new product on the market and we are the un paid testers the amount of times I’ve used a product thought it was the one then on the next project it has let me down is so frustrating and costly ,
I don't think you're wrong.
Many years ago Dulux brought out an Aqua Gloss.... can't remember it's proper name.
I used it.. with new purdies..... killed them.. I wrote and complained to DULUX, who responded and said they were aware of the problem..... as I needed to wash out in White Spirit.
They sent me a voucher for 5ltres of paint.
Tried many waterbased paints jonnos aqua the best finish . I don't have a problem with brush damage always keep a pot of water when painting
Keeps the brush fresh when using , when finished job clean in cold water then wash with fairy liquid.
as you saw in the video, that arroworthy brush didn't wash out well with water or anything else. think it comes down to what the filament of the brush is made from?
I was impressed with fast flow crown but I did add a drip of flotrol conditioner as WB dries quickly and I was doing multiple doors. I usually do two prime or even three for a darker colour
I used Tikkuril Everal Aqua 80 on some windows, covered well and the gloss level was pretty good. But I hear what you say about coverage... a common comment on the Tikkurila forums. I'll stick with Tik over Johno's any day thanks
Have you watched my video on Everal Aqua 80 from last week?
this is a oil based paint phil its been emulsified the same with the aqua undercoat and the satin there alkyd paints which is a synthetic oil you need to use clean spirit or even white spirit cleaner and degreases work well to. ive used it many times and it yellowa after a couple or so years with not much light so moved back to solvent oil. not used it phil as its to expensive for most of my customers and builders certainly wouldnt pay for it but heard good things about farrow and ball full gloss i would imagine that would be a acrylic gloss apparently got a sheen to match oil gloss
but it says water based all over it ;)
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator yes it says water based cause the carrier for the paint is water instead of solvent carrier but the binder is alkyd oil so its a oil paint mixed into water
Good gear the johnstones aqua gloss range, the undercoa covers well and dries to a decent finish super quick 2.
Hybrid though... does that bother you?
If your applying acrylic paint system such as gloss or satin,over an existing oil based system,the transition coat or primer needs to be oil based undercoat,it’s designed to adhere and leaves a perfect surface to apply acrylic gloss,less liable to damage and peeling! Your correct about the brushes,oil brushes,the more you use them the better they become,it’s the opposite with acrylic
Well that defeats the waterbased paint system using oil based as the UC.
Never heard of anyone doing that, who told you it?
There's so many good water based adhesion primer/UC onnthr market now days too.
Remember.. back in the day when we used oil based gloss.... Wed sand down etc. a coat of Dulux acrylic primer/UC then finish with one coat of oil gloss.
It never peeled off.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator
I came up with it my self after having some issues with some doors in a large public building, usual spec of grip primer and Dulux Acrylic gloss system, I was called back after a few weeks because the paint work was being damaged by a trolly bashing into the doors and once the surface was broken,people were finding they could peel the edges, so after a meeting on site with a paint rep who recommended another water based product as a primer,which also failed,I decided the best paint to go over old oil gloss would be oil u/c it’s meant to stick to it after all,
So if I’m painting new wood I’ll acrylic every coat,if it’s oil paint that’s the existing surface,then the first coat is always oil based undercoat.
Most modern undercoats are touch dry in 20 to 30 minutes ,only issue is leaving it overnight to dry properly before recoating,it gives you a great surface to de -nib and apply finish coats, acrylic gloss loves oil undercoat, sticks like glue ,never had any issues.
You can go back and acrylic gloss them time and time again. I guess everyone has their own way of working, great content by the way.
@@Novacastrian have you tried Isomat All Primer then two coats of their satin or gloss?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator
I haven’t tried it,but I will ,cheers!
i use wooster silver tip and never had a problem washing brushes out with this gloss….
Phill,try Benjamin Moore advance gloss mate.
It's better then the jonnos .
And a better gloss,.the only problem its like the jonnos aqua gloss it's not a proper acrylic.
Like I said before imo Bedec is the best .
You can get 3cciats in a day no problem.
I'll wait to see if BM want to offer some paint for me to try out and compare against these brands. ;)
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator 🤔🤔🤔
It's a alkyd paint not a true acrylic mate.
It will yellow as I found out in my home 😦
yes your right this a oil paint but just blended with water instead of solvents
sold to the masses as a water based gloss though ;)
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator yes and they are not the only one.
Decorators will use these products in good faith and unfortunately might cone unstuck☹️☹️☹️
Like I said before,jonnos will go yellow in time .☹️ and so will the others.
I've always found it difficult to believe that any water based gloss paint could be effective for use on outdoor woods where frost and damp are a problem!. Am I right or wrong?
There are plenty of water based paints used outside now, paint technology has come on leaps and bounds.
Some really good paints for outside... prep is still the key and using the correct process of prime/Uc and two top coats is the main thing.
I alway say..... have you been to an outside that's in poor condition that been done in oil based paint?
Most will say yes.
great paints we use outside...
F&B exterior eggshell
Bedec MSP
AllCoat Exterior (we use that inside as well)
Everal Aqua is also a paint that can be used inside and out.
Bedec Barnpaint... awsome, have you see that video I've done a few weeks ago?
Don’t know what it is about jonnos paint in general …. Jonnos vinyl matt emulsion won’t wash out cleanly out of roller sleeves . It feels like it’s left a oily residue in the pile
I know what you mean, warm soapy water still doesn't do much.
Without any doubt, after 40+ years of experience as a P&D, despite trying every way to keep quality synthetic brushes in great shape, this stuff f**** up the root of every brush I've used.
We don't use it anymore cus of the problems with brush washing out.
Have you tried Crown Fast Flow ?
Does look decent.maybe change your bulb on your main light so we can see better..
Those lights are pants lol
Hi Phil,
Would it be better to keep a dedicated aqua brush and keep it wrapped in plastic between uses rather then trying to wash out every time?
Oooh.... I'd say.. try it. I think you may find it would start setting up... But also it more a case that the longer you use it for, it builds up and makes the brush not so useable. Hence the need to wash out regularly while using the paint.
I think if you know it's a hybrid and it'll not washing out well, keep some white sport by you so you can wash out as much as you can with cool water first, shake out the water... If you think it's not washed out enough, try white sport and see if that helps.
It did for me using the Satin.
I finished off with meths .. the. Re washed out with warm soapy water.
It also can be the type of brushes. So do better than others with hybrid paints.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator it’s a shame as it would be a fantastic gloss if it didn’t kill brushes. I know it will yellow over time but nowhere near the rate of an oil based gloss.
Do you think it would be ok using Joncryl as an undercoat instead? At least that way you could half the rate of brushes it kills
@@gdpaintingdecorating5704 keep with the correct system... Hand in glove then.
Ppl complain about f&b woodwork paints not drying well.. the. You hear they've not used the f&b undercoat primer to save money they used another brand.
Then wonder why they get problems.
Very interesting vid - certainly keep that in mind if buying jonsons
I’ve videos on my page using DULUX water based gloss , white over brown varnished doors. Absolutely glass like results. 2 years on still bright white. Not a brush killer 😂 I love Jonnos Aqua Satin, lovely gear
cool, how did you find the coverage?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Of the Dulux water-based gloss? When I first used it a few years ago my heart sank, I though oh sh!t, this is terrible gear, first coat drags and not very good flow/coverage, I literally had to teach myself on the job. You have to build it up, usually 3 coats minimum. Light rub between coats. I find you’ve got to get it on quick, move it around and lay of, don’t go back unless a run appears. It flashes the finish. I’ve foam rolled it on doors and laid off with a brush. It’s prone to runs but as I said you learn the more you use it how it performs.
Short answer - poor coverage.
But…. great finish for water based and stays white for longer than oil. Brushes clean up easy also, very low odour, very durable and easy to repair if heavy chip or scratch.
I think painters use it, see the first coat as it goes on and throw it in the bin. It’s definitely a paint that needs patience. I’ve written a novel here I must stop 🤭
@@MrSmid888 you need to watch my video from a few months ago about the Dulux Exterior water based gloss!! have you seen it yet?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator no, il look it up, cheers. If it’s the same stuff I tried a few years ago it was terrible, nothing like the interior stuff. I’ve actually not seen/used a decent exterior water based gloss yet.
Virosol does a job when it comes to washing them out...leave em in a 50/50 mix overnight
yeah, thats no good though when you're needing to wash them our every hour... or less.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator true enough, its a proper nuisance, I just swap kits now, nothing worse than trying to cut in with a brush that feels like the kitchen fitter has borrowed to use for contact adhesive 😩
You could try using a damp brush rather than starting with a dry brush.
do you not think the paint dampens the brush anyway?
but if you think it gets washed out after 30mins of use.. and you go back to using it.. and it's damp.... and it still effects the brush... I can't see it makes any difference?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator no I just think that if the inside of the brush was already damp, then it wouldn't get the chance to dry as much, making it easier to wash out when needed.
hahahaha, the brush killer, that's why for the past three years of using it I've been through 8948 brushes 🤣 I have had this issue, the progold aqua brushes designed for the gloss seem to last a little longer, but still not great, It's a waterbased paint though, according to COSHH it's waterbased, best waterbased gloss and the most hard wearing
those wickes brushes washed out ok.. and were fine being used over and over again... and only £11 a pack.
Use white spirit cleaner.. it’s got oil in it
even then.. its not good.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator zinsser bin brush cleaner.. job done
@@johnzombi6574 which will be Meths ;)
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator doesn't smell like meths does, try it in a video.. 👍
I agree Phil the Johnstone aqua range is brilliant, like you say use the aqua system with the undercoat and 2 gloss it's perfect and hard wearing 💯👍
It's just the brush cleaning though. very hit and miss.
Tried brushing that tikurilla. Customer requested a water based gloss so I went for everal aqua 80. Lost half a day recoating 😅
Sorry to hear that, I've said it for a while.. the whites's are rubbish to cover. Off whites are better
Cleaning out a sprayer would be a pain with this paint.
tbh I'll sacrifice a few brushes for a decent finish 😉
I agree most Dec centres have decent brushes on offer all the time and for a few quid if you get to use it for 3 or 4 jobs it's not really worth whining about
please can you recommend a paint for an exterior window oil based or water based, I'm leaning toward using Johnstones Storm sheild oil based, mainly because its available from my local store.
Hi
I'd be looking at water based.
Either. Isomat, Bedec.
You can get those from Brewers
Definitely check out linseed oil paints for windows. All modern paints will form a film and eventually crack and peel, trapping water underneath. The linseed paints take ages to dry, but they're beautiful to use and will last decades with just the occasional wipe-over (3 years or so) with a little pure linseed oil. After much research, and initial application over 10 years ago, I'll not use anything else for windows.
Have they changed there labels since this video? Is this the aqua GUARD gloss? Or just their water based gloss?
not sure. but there is noe an aqua guard gloss.... that review is coming.
Hi Phil. For the average DIYer could you explain why gloss yellows? I’ve been using Dulux one coat over the years but recently moved house and am looking to upgrade all my gear and paints 👍🏼
Also. Any opinion on the Velspar water based gloss?
anything with an oil base will yellow off, even more so if it's not getting any UV/natural light, you know what I mean when you move a bed away from a wall and the white gloss has gone yellow.
Some water based hybrid paints, have a slight oil content, they also yellow off, but not as bad as a traditional oil based paint.
This is more noticeable with white paint ;)
Valspar WB Gloss?? I'll let you use the search bar on my channel for that one ;)
It shows it's excellent paint if it's a brush killer. If the water based is strong than I'd like to see what the oil based is like. It looks great!
lol very frustrating.... still goes yellow as well.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator It looks good. Love the videos 👍🙂
@@rachelbailey52 thanks.. loads for you to watch and drop a sleep at.
Like and share, like and share lol
In your opinion which is the best and toughest brand of white acrylic eggshell and or gloss paint on the market that does not yellow or discolour over time like oil based paints do. Thanks.
Great point!
There's a few you need to try, the ones that are proper acrylic based paints.... Bedec, Isomat are worth watching videos on.
Brushes was out fine as well.
Waterbase Gloss.... Don't expect oil gloss standard of gloss.
You will be look at a hybrid for your gloss.... Farrow and Ball, Crown Fast Flow are very good gloss'
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator cheers Phil. Great info.
PHIL! What do you recommend for spraying? I’ve sprayed with a few different paints before but I’m about to spray a load of furniture for a customer and I want something either satin or gloss finish that is REALLY durable
p,s the wix brushes are the only brushes I use.
brill aren't they.... do try the arroworthy ones as well... you'll be impressed.
Ive just done my stairs and hand rail in the Johnstones Aqua Gloss, used the Johnstones undercoat too. Im really happy with it. Was really nice to work with after using the valspar which was horrible. It didnt kill my brush either for some reason! just used warmish water and fairy liquid, maybe theyve been listening!
Let's hope so.
Correct on the warm water and washing up liquid.
Start with cold to get most of it out the brush, then turn up the heat ;) sort of lol
Fantastic paint but 100% kills brushes. Same as the superdec must be a hybrid. Wash out with water then white spirit. All I've used in the last 3 years is allcoat or MSP you can't go wrong with an amazing product. And no stinky white spirit rags. My brush mate has been made redundant. Ice fusion brushes or piccaso brushes spot on. Awesome videos by the way. 👍🏻
Think last time I went on my brush mate brush box was pre pandemic lol...
All Coat video out later this week ;)
Johnstone's self wb undercoating One Coat Quick Dry Satin? anyone try this one to save separately undercoating ?
Hi Phil I was going to use the johnstones aqua water based gloss in my Graco GX21 but after watching your video I had a concern weather I would be able to clean my machine properly with water if you had problems with your brushes can you advise what you think I should do
what are you painting?
Been using farrow and ball estate egshell ruined my brushes
In what way? I prefer modern eggshell for Woodwork personally.. it's a harder wearing finish.
It’s a great product Phil I agree
But every brush I’ve had is now not flexible like they were almost stiffened the bristles or nylon after cleaning
So now what I do is if I have a stairs and ten doors to do I do two frames and doors then wash the brushes out with fairy then back into paint then wash every hour or two
I know at least 25 painters in Bedfordshire that all day the same farrow and ball estate egshell ruins their brushes I’ve not tried Johnstones I think farrow and ball was best when it was oil based I bet your dad will agree
Alkyd resin I think is to blame
I use a lot of farrow and ball including emulsions
But the egshell seems to be the culprit I will e mail farrow and ball and see what they say..
Jonos aqua will yellow in time just not as quick as oil based shame really. Definite brush killer have a weak solution of virosol and change brushes regularly.
just like an oil paint going yellow.... but easy to apply, great gloss and no smell and quick drying....... so no need for oil ever again?
Teknos futura 90 is decent aswell Phil !
I need some UC and 90 sent to me to test out then.. where's Ben when you need him?????
I'm gonna show my boss this,it's a nightmare paint for the brush
Hi. it is, but the gloss is awesome..... being that hybrid (oil of some sort mix), have a look at the other gloss testing videos, The Decec Aqua Advance and also the Isomat Gloss are good alternatives and the brushes wash out very well.
It doesnt kill my brushes as once bitten twice shy and refuse to use it as any johnstones water based gloss eggshell etc looks pretty rubbish as it just doesnt cover.
you watched the video?.... the gloss covered fine. One Uc and two top coats.. over the dark blue Frenchic.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator But it still looks fake and council Phil,my clients are all middle class snowflakes who force me to use farrow & ball eggshell(mainly to leave tins outside next to the rubbish bin for all to see)and it still looks cheap and council.
@@josephjackson7477 that's fine as long as you use the F&B Modern Eggshell ;) lol
i heard it a hybrid paint
Yep... And hybrid or not, no disputing that it's a cracking gloss level.
Cost comparisons ?
all the paint seems to be expensive.. like petrol lol
I'll mention costs for you on next week's videos using Isomat.
This paint also doesn't stay white
a few others don't either!!
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator which paints stay white?
you're better looking at paints that are more acrylic based, like isomat and bedec to name a couple.
The door should have been evaluated outdoors in sunlight, for under those lights everything looks yellow. For a yellow door, it looks lovely.
Sadolin is like that now says wash with water and yeah lost 5 brushes
SuperDec?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator my kind decorator painted water based paint over my bare wooden skirting boards. I'm not very happy about it. What can I do to put the job right myself? Do I put bin Zinzer primer/undercoat then 2 coats of oil based paint as top coat or do I completely sand the water based paint of and start again?
@@rachelbailey52 did he prime it first with anything?
What paint did he use?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator I think he used water based Johnstones satin wood paint or water based Leyland satin wood paint. He didn't use a primer.
@@rachelbailey52 unfortunately the damage is done. You're only as good as the first coat that's applied
And the process hasn't been done correctly.
A little knowledge...... As they say
The paint industry's marketing departments invented the 'hybrid' thing really, 'Hybrid' is everywhere you look these days...buzz word!
Proper name is 'blended', alkyd/acrylic resin, mostly water with a small percentage of oil that breaks down in water due to another ingredient I guess.
They do cover better, and have more of a feel of oil based, but there's a trade off, they smell stronger, take longer to dry, (especially if you ain't got good air flow), and, they will eventually discolour/yellow.
Horses for courses really
Brush killing...definitely. After using on all day them gum up really bad and lose their shape. Jonnos suggest washing them out a few times during the day, but who wants to ponce about doing that?....I find a 50/50 mix of virosol works after you've run them under the tap.
You might want to try Crown fast flow undercoat and gloss for a comparison of the Aquatec Phil, its the same thing.
Would mind seeing how a traditional oil based system copes with that dark colour, I reckon it might struggle to go in two as well.
Great video mate!
no this doesnt have any acrylic in it its a alkyd paintsblended with water instead of solvent its a emulsified oil paint
you saw that Arroworthy classic brush.. dead.. and that was being washed out every 30mins to keep on to of it... still killed it.
Why small brush
As in?
I subscribed to you; how old are you and what country in the United Kingdom do you live in?
England.
I like your outer corner edge video. I am going to use it when I have an outside edge that throws off my pattern, but I’m going to do my double cut because for two reasons… I don’t want to see the edge of the overlapped wallpaper and I don’t want to see the bump, but I like what you’re saying, and it is the first time I have ever seen it.
Do a video please of your tools, your pouch on you when you work and please if you do not mind, your truck inside and how do you set it up
You look about 45-50 years of age.
Oh... I'm also 48
The only reason people use water based gloss is does not go yellow oil based is always best for outside work
maybe.. why do you say oil base better outside?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator If u lived in the north east of england near the coast ie Tynemouth water based glosses dont last 2 seconds the salt air destroys woodwork in second if u use a water based gloss
@@clintmannion5598 I ask, cus you find oil gloss still breaks down and peels/flakes.
Waterbased, I wonder how the European countries manage who live in coastal areas as I think all Europe use water based... Tikkurila are a big company specialize in WB coatings for wood.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator What paint do you use on exterior woodwork
@@clintmannion5598 a mix.
AllCoat exterior
Tikkurila ultra classic
Dulux exterior gloss... Water based and some oil.
Sikkens Satura.
Back in the day.. Sikkens BL
Bedec Aqua Advance
Phill have you tried Caparol capacryl pu-Gloss from paint shack
Not yet Ian, waiting for the phone call ;) lol
Johno??
What's the question ? ;)
😂 some people
Good paint or not, I've sacked Johno's their customer service sucks... well it did in my local branch.
have you a Paintwell near you. they sell nearly all the brands;)
I've stopped using Johnnos as they take the piss with their prices last and final straw was when they tried to charge me over £70 for 5l of aqua white gloss thats with trade account..same product at Brewers £48...so if I use Johnnos I get it from elsewhere
You need to get out more sunshine
Thanks for staying in and watching though lol
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator I’m on holiday😂😂
@@Chalkster1 clearly bored already then lol
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator ooooh no
Why do people act stupid on their videos? Not impressive at all😢
No idea