I think she likes being right over caring for her patients, considering the time she almost separated a mother and child to secures thinking it was abuse when actually it was because the mother was in an accident while pregnant.
@@finnancahill2644 The whole idea of a placebo is you tell the patient they're being given something that will help, while not giving them anything at all really. I find it really hard that he'd be liable for anything, and Dr. Manning has done much worse
@@choryllis6646 it depends on the treatment to my knowledge, like generally if an actual standard treatment exists you can’t really give someone a placebo, or at least you’re liable if anything goes wrong with opportunity cost
There is literally nothing unethical about a placebo if it works, and when working with a potentially psychological condition, it's also exactly what you need in order to tell if someone's reactions are either psychosomatic OR legitimately physical. Like this.
Of course there is. In the first place, it means lying to your patient and, thus, not respecting the principle of autonomy, and, in the second place, it is completely illegal.
Seconding Maria. Lying is unethical. Lying to people who trust you with their health and sanity is double unethical. It’s one thing if you tell someone in a trial situation that they “might” get a placebo. But “here are real pills (psych, they’re fake!)” is 100% a crime and 100% unethical.
@@Ba-kt6ju I'm a doctor and I have to abide by these laws and principles. But if you are interested in reading the sources I'm sure there are plenty available online.
You can't just lie to a patient about treatment. Placebos are only used in studies where consenting subjects are aware that they may be given a placebo.
the way she described liking food but being afraid to eat it because of how she feels can absolutely be something other than an ed. i had a friend who had c-diff twice and trying to eat during and after that was excruciating, and i’m a type one diabetic so i’ve completely lost the taste for certain foods knowing how badly they’ll spike and sustain my glucose levels
I became a Type II Diabetic in early 2023, and don’t always eat mashed potatoes 🥔 or eat them sparingly. Fortunately, it is kept under control with portioning and avoiding a large amount carbs and sweets.
I don’t watch this show other than the clips that appear on UA-cam but man,that doctor is so annoying,she’s always letting her feelings for the patients get in the way of doing things the ethical way and I’m pretty sure the first rule is not to get to attached to any of the patients
@@KIdek-TR3POthat’s not the first rule. You can get attached to and care about your patients, your emotions can not win over doing what’s right/ logical
@@vvoof2601 Yeah. The difference is recognizing those traumas for what they are, and positively channelled that trauma. VS something like this where it's being negatively channelled.
She doesn't want her to be fat. She's over doing it but society will make her feel miserable if she's bigger than what they want. When the society changes, mother's will change.
@@queen78284 You can be normal or skinny without starving yourself to death. Just don't eat fried stuff, rice and sweets too often. More or less just eat everything but controlled.
My mom suffered from anorexia while I was in my early teens. She almost died from it, but for years I had to look at her with her eating habits. She rarely cooked and we were also poor so that caused me to become a binge eater as having that notion in my head that if I don't eat I will end up like her and if I have access to food I must eat everything as I may not have another meal. What had me in survival mode did not serve me well in my later years. I am economically stable and my mom has also recovered and we shared our first meal when I was 38, but I still have those tendencies in my life where I try not to waste food, but I damage my body by eating things compulsively like that. I try to practice pushing food aside and away and practicing throwing food out instead of ingesting it and I'm trying to make more conscientious choices, but yeah...my upbringing wasn't under ideal conditions.
@@aqua6613 Interesting how similar upbringings can cause completely different reactions. My mom has never been diagnosed with an eating disorder but it's very obvious she has one. We were very poor, to the point where dinner wasn't a guaranteed thing every night. In response, I started feeling an intense amount of guilt every time my mom went to pay for our groceries. Over time, that translated into me eating less and less out of guilt. I figured if I ate less, my mom and brother had more to eat.
I used to think like this I never thought about what I ate and now I am 23 and I barely eat and when I do it makes me feel sick and so I avoid it and it's made my family worried I mean my older brother younger sister and my mom are worried but my 2 younger brother and my dad couldn't care less anytime I get asked by my mom if I had eaten and I say no she tells me I can't do that to myself and to eat but when I try to tell my dad about it he just stares at his phone and doesn't listen and my brother when I talk to them about it they spin it around and make me feel bad when i was in highschool for 2 whole summers my brother Noah took one look at what I would eat for lunch and point out all the calories I've been eating and one time he got into my dairy free ice cream and his excuse was we didn't have normal ice cream in the house last week I confronted him about how he makes me feel and I told him if I were in his shoes I would never make him feel bad about eating and when he makes his food he gets way to much and when I tell him that i make sure i tell him that i am not trying to make gim upset but our family has medical problems to much chicken nuggets with to much salt could really hurt him and then he said that when he pointed out the calories in the food i eat he had the gall to say he was giving me advice and anytime I walk past him on my wat doing stuff around the house he walks like I take up to much space it has made my self esteem worse and It bums me out when I tell him how he's hurt me and he shrugs it off like it doesn't matter
I absolutely LOVE Dr. Charles, man. His reactions and mannerisms are just perfection. Dr. Manning: "You gave my patient a placebo?!" Dr. Charles: "Yup"
Season 1 Episode 4: The girl had Superior Mesenteric Artery. Apparently the fat pad that supports it shrunk, which makes food passing through her stomach get stuck in a pressure point. Causing her to throw up. She needs a nasal feeding tube or surgery. Which the doctor tells the mother there are less risks with the feeding tube. The mother of course tells the doctor they'll do the surgery because she won't look good with the nasal tube and according to her everyone in her school would make fun of her. But the girl tells the doctor she'll get the tube. The mother is flabbergasted but she relents saying with attitude "its her life"
I actually had SMA Syndrome, myself! I am a cancer patient and back in 2017 I lost about 30lbs in the span of a few months due to chemo, leaving me at around 105lbs. No matter how badly I wanted to eat, I just couldn't stop getting sick, thus losing more and more weight - not even a nasal feeding tube worked. Eventually, I wound up in the hospital for three months and had to have a GJ-Tube placed, which is a feeding tube that is inserted through your stomach to bypass the collapsed artery. I also had to have what is known as TPN (total parenteral nutrition) for over a year and a half so that I could continue to gain weight. They also like to call TPN "Gatorade and Milk" as it looks like both depending on your specific fat and vitamin mixture - it goes directly into your veins, bypassing the gastrointestinal tract altogether. My GJ-Tube was removed years ago, so now it just looks like I have a second bellybutton, which is kind of hilarious 😂
@@milly7843 had one too but cuz of acid reflex which I still have but it’s farrr from being as bad as when I was younger. I went to a feeding clinic when I was 3 to learn how to eat I still have the scar lol
Here I was thinking it was gastroparesis, which I had for a number of years. There is delayed gastric emptying and when food is stuck in your digestive system longer than it is supposed to be, you feel nauseous. Some people get it with food or liquids or both. Extreme cases require a feeding tube or corrective surgery. I had the surgery because it would fix my gastroparesis and a number of other problems I had as a result of my gastroparesis.
A lot of people believe mothers are not capable of the same level of abuse fathers are, when both parents can be incredibly harmful, it's just mothers tend to abuse their children in more subtle, psychological ways.
Can confirm. I had a mother who was a lot like this one, she was 100 pounds when wearing a winter coat soaking wet. Had an aunt I lived with who was like that too. I ended up with gastroparesis for five whole years. After I went no contact my symptoms WOOSH gone for good. Just had an ice cream cone for dessert after a massive roast beef and sausage dinner with potatoes and onions and carrots, as a matter of fact.
Yup, mothers tend to go for the jugular emotionally. Won't cause bruises, but can definitely cause a slew of other symptoms both mental and physical (ones that, given the wrong/manipulatable doctor, can be dismissed).
She could still have an eating disorder, though. I think I've heard somewhere that if someone purges frequently enough via vomiting, eventually their body gets accustomed to throwing up anything they try to eat.
Almost sounds like bulimia. They’ll gorge on food and then throw up afterwards. Maybe she would sneak food and gorge on it then throw up so her mom doesn’t think she’s getting fat and then I’m constantly hovering keeps the cycle going and now she associates throwing up after enjoying food for once.
@@glimmerin_by_theswimminpool Oh, nooo, that was not my intended implication at all. I just meant that the more you purge, the more likely it will physically become easier or more effortless to vomit. I'm no doctor, so I can't speak officially on that. I can only report on my own experience. Maybe that's just a me thing, what do I know 🤔 😕
Feeling Nausea and vomiting after eating is a sign of Gastroparesis. My mother had it for only two years, but she was able to get out of that rut and eat better again.
@@saralisa823 I think her mother hovering over her and her expectations makes her suddenly reject the food. Dr Charles is wrong this time. Your mind and pressure to be thin is why
This..all of this! This episode proves what I have suspected from watching every clip he gets screen-time in: Charles is a god-damned treasure and I will legit throw hands at the first person to say otherwise! 😂
I went through the same thing. I have food allergies that my family ignored, intentionally, and my allergic reaction is to throw up. I was only allowed to eat food that had my allergy in it, which made me throw up, then i got punished for that, and had to finish what was left. Got to the point where I couldn't eat anything without instantly throwing up. Couldn't even drink water, for nearly a decade. Not fun
My mom did that to me once when I had suddenly started vomiting after school whenever I had milk the same morning but not without. Doctor at the clinic just wrote me off as dehydrated without checking me or running any tests and I was required to drink 8 glasses of plain water by force daily(in my mom's presence and excluding any amount I drank at school). She continued to make me drink milk daily as per doctor's instructions with the sudden drastic increase in water intake made me completely lethargic,frequent vomiting throughout the day and acted like I was drunk(stumbling around while walking and my words wouldn't come out clearly because I didn't have the energy to open my mouth properly). Eventually I just vomited everything a few seconds after I swallowed it including water which didn't help my situation. My mom had to be threatened by the staff of the women's shelter we were staying at the time that she'll lose custody of me for her to even listen to them that the doctor's instructions were doing more harm than improving my condition(they linked the days I did vomit with whether or not I had milk in the morning and no 8 year old should be acting drunk especially without any smell of alcohol). Overhydrated and malnourished to the point I could pass as a zombie back then but somehow my mom completely ignored it. Couldn't look at milk the same way for some time after the issue settled(probably due to stress back then) and took a while for me to even muster up the courage to finish my cup of milk during snack and lunch time at school.
There's a reason why I stopped watching this series after Dr Manning's leaving, and not because i loved her, but because her not being put in jail or having her medical license revoked. She's the worst doctor in all medical dramas history
As someone with anorexia trying to eat large amounts of food quickly is actually a sign. It's called binging and it usually happens after a long stint of either barely eating ir not eating at all. I remember after a week of not eating I ate a burger and some fries and later threw up all over the pavement because my stomach wasnt big enough to handle it. Basically treat this like a soap opera, cause real life is quite different.
You are 1 person. I understand how you want to talk about your experience with an ED. But you are not an expert just because you have an ED. Much in the same way that someone who has a brain tumour is not a neurosurgeon or neurologist.
I understand Mannings good intentions, but I totally get this and appreciate the segment. I was born with failure to thrive. My mother had sepsis, and I had a digestive disorder. At first, they thought that it was because my mother wasn’t feeding me properly and treated her as such. I was breast-fed. They took me into the hospital and started pumping me full of formula. Guess what? That didn’t work either.
How old are you for you to be 'diagnosed' as failure to thrive? That is either an outdated phrase or it should be. I've only heard of it on call the midwife which is set in the last century. What do they mean by failure to thrive anyway? Is it a physical thing, and is that because of the baby or environment? Sounds like a way to just dismiss a baby's death really (if the baby dies)
@@GossipIsSlander FTT is a legitimate diagnosis based on a child's weight or rate of weight gain. It's acknowledged that it can have a multitude of causes. Definitely not used as an excuse. It's just an acknowledgement of a condition that can have a number of sources. Our understanding of it has evolved since the midcentury (when call the midwife takes place) but it's still a valid condition.
@@GossipIsSlanderI'm a 24 year old woman and I was diagnosed last year with failure to thrive due to a severe GI condition that caused malnutrition. It's a real diagnosis.
I was also a failure to thrive baby. Birth mother didn't care for me and my adopted mom said I couldn't even hold my head up at 10 months old. I was very underweight. It's definitely a real diagnosis.
I know how Ashley feels… I have an eating disorder… it started a long time ago… and it’s still there…. You’ll never be rid of it… it’s like the constant reminder of the struggle that we went through daily
Sorry you're going through that... It's such a difficult journey. However, it is possible to not be plagued with intrusive thoughts of eating disorder. I had one when I was a young teenager and now I'm a young adult with a career in functional nutrition. Understanding how the body works and what it needs to thrive, not just survive, broke barriers that were keeping me stuck in the disordered thoughts.
lol confirmation bias for the win! The episode showed she had an issue where food she swallowed would hit an artery in her stomach and trigger a vomit reflex.
I had the same exact thing about a year ago and got tested for a bunch if things, no one could find out what was wrong with me. Finally i got medicine for my nausea and after a few months of taking that daily it was like nothing was ever wrong.
The actress playing the mom is Beth Chamberlain who played Beth Raines Spaulding on the former Soap Opera Guiding Light. Love seeing Guiding Light alumni on the Chicago shows. Nicole Forester (Cassie) played Matt's sister on Chicago Fire, along with Robert Newman (Josh) and Robert Bogue (Mallet) were both in episodes of the series, and Tom Pelphrey (Jonathan) was in a Chicago PD episode.
I currently have anorexia, I’m not currently in recovery. But I commend these doctors for doing what they are doing for this girl in this episode. My dad used to comment on how I ate when I was younger and still does sometimes. It really makes an impact on your mental health and your health in general. To any parents out there. Don’t comment on your children’s body or exercising times or food they eat, it’ll hurt them.
My step dad, to this day, comments on how much I eat. 3 mostly healthy meals a day. I had told him a million times to stop and he won't. Saying, "no one needs to eat more than once a day and certainly don't need that rabbit food". One day, I followed what he did and only ate one meal for a couple days. By the end of the 2nd day, he had to clean up the results of forcing me to starve myself. Because, I don't eat to stave of hunger. I eat because if I don't eat a certain amount by a certain time, I vomit everywhere. My brother and sister told our mom what he was making me do and she still didn't leave him. (Still with him to this day.) Made him clean up, though. Now, because he drank nothing but beer and a 24 case of Mt. Dew a day and only ate meat, he has to take 10 different meds and is forced to eat 3 meals a day, which dropped him down 50 pounds. My doctors were shocked I didn't develop an eating disorder because of him.
It's ironic that I'm watching that after just sneaking fast food past my mom that I ordered from Uber Eats. I'm not even overweight, I just don't want to be judged.
My mother called me fat not directly but made jokes. I thought I was overweight until I got married and my husband was horrified. I was 2 sizes smaller and underweight! She made me buy smaller clothing and I thought not fitting meant I was fat. She was a bully. Glad to have gone non-contact with her!
Dr Manning is one of the most hypocritical doctors on this show. Only worried about ethics and rules when she's not the one who wants to bend or ignore them. She's why I stopped watching.
She has SMAS - Superior Mesenteric Artery Syndrome. It’s the compression of the 3rd portion of the duodenum by the Superior Mesenteric Artery - often caused by extreme weight loss, or sometimes it’s just anatomical, or it happens when your weight can’t keep up with your height when you’re growing.
The female doctor threatens to out the psychiatrist when in all the clips ive seen she's the one who's always breaking the rules and doing something unethical
She wouldn’t have been so open and excited to eat a burger is right. There would have been anxiety and panic at just the thought of it and if she did she wouldn’t be loving it as much as she was. Mom is a little to pushy with the food thing though. She is more worried about her weight and not so much why she can’t hold down food. The mom and the way she is also is how kids develop an ED
Idk she might be bullimic maybe at that point she was throwing up a lot, and then didn’t want to puke anymore and was trying to recover but her stomach was so messed up she threw up
Yeah. She looks worried. Bless her heart. Smh. The mother should NOT be saying anything. Your daughter is saying she is having issues with eating. Just let her eat. SMH.
You know when I overeat and need to lose weight, my parents didn’t make it all about how a bad diet would make me look. They focused on teaching me about how overeating could lead to diabetes, heart problems, high cholesterol, and other hazardous body dysfunctions. They made it all about my health. Not my looks and maybe that’s why I was never Anorexic or Bulimic. Because my parents had me thinking about my health. I think maybe that’s a more positive way to get your kids to eat better. Don’t try to get your kids to diet by telling them if they don’t eat right they’ll get ugly and don’t criticize them either. Kindly, lovingly, but firmly, explain to them the importance of eating right for the good of their health. If someone only thinks about if they’re healthy instead of how skinny they can look, they won’t over eat or starve themselves. Because neither one is healthy and they’ll want to do what is healthy.
I have an Ed and I have the exact same thing where I can’t eat or drink anything without pain or being sick.(I don’t make myself throw up by the way). It’s awful and I feel so sick all the time. I really want to try a feeding tube but my parents won’t let me because I have an Ed.
The trick to food is that it's about portion control and calorie deficit. You can technically eat too many veggies and drink too much water. Everything should be in moderation.
I had something similar around 14. Every time I ate I felt sick and it got to the point where I started throwing up after eating. I eventually stopped eating, lost 7lbs within a week. Took going to the doctor 3 times to finally tell me it was chronic acid build up in my stomach. Haven't had a problem since
I wish I'd had a doctor like him when I was in a similar position and doctors didn't believe me and insisted it was an ED. Took close to four years for anyone to realize it was my gallbladder.
I remember having Anorexia. I was 13 when I was diagnosed put into intensive care bc of it. After I got out everything was worse before I even went in, I was a structural diet that would help with not only nutrition but also keep me from relapsing. But it didn’t bc when you live in a home with a narcissist noting is bound to stay safe-he’s hidden from me before taken food out my hands and then wonders to this day why I went no contact
Speaking from experience, i have anxiety that gets so bad it makes me want to throw up. Her mother is likely pushing the fear of food so much that her body is responding the same. It's psychological problems causing physical ones.
Dr Manning and Halstead are the most insufferable doctors in this show, only abiding to ethics when they feel like it, but a patient makes a choice regarding their own health that they don't like and they will throw hospital lawyers and law interpretation to overrule the patient's autonomy. I recall the kid who didn't want any more chemo. Manning's answer to the dad listening to his child? Get the dad locked up and force chemo on the kid. But Dr Charles gives a patient a placebo to check a psychological diagnosis? "I will report you, wah wah"
alot of people dont know that with word “describe physical” (fat/ugly) can mentally ruin someone, im one of the victim, being told “ugly” by my own sister since i was child.. imagine the mental’s horror when u grew up with that hate speech from kid to adult.. i have eating disorder bcs of that.. bcs i think im never enough.. turns out, took a long time for me to understand “its my sister’s mentality thats broken” not mine.. 😀 ur family can be ur mental illness resource = Fact!
I used to get my hair cut by a woman that was so obsessed about gaining weight that she made herself sick,she could no longer stand to cut hair,she ended up in the hospital ,barely survived .Sad.
My siblings and I all have different eating disorders. The things you say about food can and will affect your kids, my mother used to comment on how much we ate and what kind of things we ate-she cooked and plated the meals, bought the snacks we ate. My youngest sister and I had very average bodies but my mother called us “fat little pigs” all the time. My younger sister is in recovery for bulimia, doing amazing. I have an issue with overeating for a day, and then not eating at all for days, my oldest sister doesn’t eat at all, and the other older one stopped eating anything that isn’t booze. Do not talk about food with your children unless your concerns are GENUINE and not just about their looks.
Some doctors love jumping to conclusions. I have experienced it in relation to my kids on many occasions. You are thin and maybe look tired so therefore you are being abused! Doctors have nearly cost me my kids based on assumption. Are there any impartial independent ones out there?!
Love Dr Manning being so ''worried'' about the ''ethics'' of a placebo when she breaks the law like every episode XD
Yeah there’s also not really anything in an ethics code that giving a patient a placebo in this way would violate
I think she likes being right over caring for her patients, considering the time she almost separated a mother and child to secures thinking it was abuse when actually it was because the mother was in an accident while pregnant.
@@finnancahill2644 The whole idea of a placebo is you tell the patient they're being given something that will help, while not giving them anything at all really.
I find it really hard that he'd be liable for anything, and Dr. Manning has done much worse
@@choryllis6646 it depends on the treatment to my knowledge, like generally if an actual standard treatment exists you can’t really give someone a placebo, or at least you’re liable if anything goes wrong with opportunity cost
She eventually got fired for it.
Thank you Dr. Charles for telling Manning what what watchers think to her face
I know right she can be so annoying sometimes
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I loved Dr. Charles constantly putting everyone in their place and reminding them how to be doctors instead of emotional liabilities.
And he does it while being bipolar himself.. great
There is literally nothing unethical about a placebo if it works, and when working with a potentially psychological condition, it's also exactly what you need in order to tell if someone's reactions are either psychosomatic OR legitimately physical. Like this.
Of course there is. In the first place, it means lying to your patient and, thus, not respecting the principle of autonomy, and, in the second place, it is completely illegal.
Seconding Maria. Lying is unethical. Lying to people who trust you with their health and sanity is double unethical.
It’s one thing if you tell someone in a trial situation that they “might” get a placebo. But “here are real pills (psych, they’re fake!)” is 100% a crime and 100% unethical.
@@mariasanchezgran353 Source?
@@Ba-kt6ju I'm a doctor and I have to abide by these laws and principles. But if you are interested in reading the sources I'm sure there are plenty available online.
You can't just lie to a patient about treatment. Placebos are only used in studies where consenting subjects are aware that they may be given a placebo.
the way she described liking food but being afraid to eat it because of how she feels can absolutely be something other than an ed. i had a friend who had c-diff twice and trying to eat during and after that was excruciating, and i’m a type one diabetic so i’ve completely lost the taste for certain foods knowing how badly they’ll spike and sustain my glucose levels
Her condition was superior mesenteric artery syndrome. Artery compresses small intestine, blocking the passage of food and
Same for me, I like food but it made me feel so awful, that I loss weight eventually figured out what was the cause, gluten
I became a Type II Diabetic in early 2023, and don’t always eat mashed potatoes 🥔 or eat them sparingly. Fortunately, it is kept under control with portioning and avoiding a large amount carbs and sweets.
"i could report you" her audacity
I don’t watch this show other than the clips that appear on UA-cam but man,that doctor is so annoying,she’s always letting her feelings for the patients get in the way of doing things the ethical way and I’m pretty sure the first rule is not to get to attached to any of the patients
I know right…shes always involving personal issues…😅
But she won’t
She’s the one that should be reported😂
@@KIdek-TR3POthat’s not the first rule. You can get attached to and care about your patients, your emotions can not win over doing what’s right/ logical
That mother has some really strong traumas of her own that influences how she raises her own daughter.
Sad but true
You mean every parent since the beginning of time?
@@vvoof2601 Yeah. The difference is recognizing those traumas for what they are, and positively channelled that trauma. VS something like this where it's being negatively channelled.
She doesn't want her to be fat. She's over doing it but society will make her feel miserable if she's bigger than what they want. When the society changes, mother's will change.
@@queen78284 You can be normal or skinny without starving yourself to death. Just don't eat fried stuff, rice and sweets too often. More or less just eat everything but controlled.
Dr. Charles with the most polite of smackdowns.
As a woman in her mid twenties I’ve suffered with overeating my whole life. This poor girl. I understand her pain.
My mom suffered from anorexia while I was in my early teens. She almost died from it, but for years I had to look at her with her eating habits. She rarely cooked and we were also poor so that caused me to become a binge eater as having that notion in my head that if I don't eat I will end up like her and if I have access to food I must eat everything as I may not have another meal.
What had me in survival mode did not serve me well in my later years.
I am economically stable and my mom has also recovered and we shared our first meal when I was 38, but I still have those tendencies in my life where I try not to waste food, but I damage my body by eating things compulsively like that.
I try to practice pushing food aside and away and practicing throwing food out instead of ingesting it and I'm trying to make more conscientious choices, but yeah...my upbringing wasn't under ideal conditions.
@@aqua6613
Interesting how similar upbringings can cause completely different reactions.
My mom has never been diagnosed with an eating disorder but it's very obvious she has one. We were very poor, to the point where dinner wasn't a guaranteed thing every night. In response, I started feeling an intense amount of guilt every time my mom went to pay for our groceries. Over time, that translated into me eating less and less out of guilt. I figured if I ate less, my mom and brother had more to eat.
The episode revealed that she had a compression in her small intestines called SMAS, which prevented food from passing her small intestines.
I used to think like this I never thought about what I ate and now I am 23 and I barely eat and when I do it makes me feel sick and so I avoid it and it's made my family worried I mean my older brother younger sister and my mom are worried but my 2 younger brother and my dad couldn't care less anytime I get asked by my mom if I had eaten and I say no she tells me I can't do that to myself and to eat but when I try to tell my dad about it he just stares at his phone and doesn't listen and my brother when I talk to them about it they spin it around and make me feel bad when i was in highschool for 2 whole summers my brother Noah took one look at what I would eat for lunch and point out all the calories I've been eating and one time he got into my dairy free ice cream and his excuse was we didn't have normal ice cream in the house last week I confronted him about how he makes me feel and I told him if I were in his shoes I would never make him feel bad about eating and when he makes his food he gets way to much and when I tell him that i make sure i tell him that i am not trying to make gim upset but our family has medical problems to much chicken nuggets with to much salt could really hurt him and then he said that when he pointed out the calories in the food i eat he had the gall to say he was giving me advice and anytime I walk past him on my wat doing stuff around the house he walks like I take up to much space it has made my self esteem worse and It bums me out when I tell him how he's hurt me and he shrugs it off like it doesn't matter
@@vix-sixtynine420thank you
I absolutely LOVE Dr. Charles, man. His reactions and mannerisms are just perfection.
Dr. Manning: "You gave my patient a placebo?!"
Dr. Charles: "Yup"
“I could report you” remember that time that Dr. Manning held a child pretty much hostage bc the parents wouldn’t do what she recommended.
Season 1 Episode 4:
The girl had Superior Mesenteric Artery.
Apparently the fat pad that supports it shrunk, which makes food passing through her stomach get stuck in a pressure point. Causing her to throw up. She needs a nasal feeding tube or surgery. Which the doctor tells the mother there are less risks with the feeding tube. The mother of course tells the doctor they'll do the surgery because she won't look good with the nasal tube and according to her everyone in her school would make fun of her. But the girl tells the doctor she'll get the tube. The mother is flabbergasted but she relents saying with attitude "its her life"
I actually had SMA Syndrome, myself!
I am a cancer patient and back in 2017 I lost about 30lbs in the span of a few months due to chemo, leaving me at around 105lbs. No matter how badly I wanted to eat, I just couldn't stop getting sick, thus losing more and more weight - not even a nasal feeding tube worked.
Eventually, I wound up in the hospital for three months and had to have a GJ-Tube placed, which is a feeding tube that is inserted through your stomach to bypass the collapsed artery. I also had to have what is known as TPN (total parenteral nutrition) for over a year and a half so that I could continue to gain weight. They also like to call TPN "Gatorade and Milk" as it looks like both depending on your specific fat and vitamin mixture - it goes directly into your veins, bypassing the gastrointestinal tract altogether.
My GJ-Tube was removed years ago, so now it just looks like I have a second bellybutton, which is kind of hilarious 😂
@@milly7843 had one too but cuz of acid reflex which I still have but it’s farrr from being as bad as when I was younger. I went to a feeding clinic when I was 3 to learn how to eat I still have the scar lol
Hello Maria, Thank you for sharing your information on this episode. I was wondering what the cause was and how the episode ended. ♥️🥰
Here I was thinking it was gastroparesis, which I had for a number of years. There is delayed gastric emptying and when food is stuck in your digestive system longer than it is supposed to be, you feel nauseous. Some people get it with food or liquids or both. Extreme cases require a feeding tube or corrective surgery. I had the surgery because it would fix my gastroparesis and a number of other problems I had as a result of my gastroparesis.
@@milly7843 Some call the TPN Banana Bags!
Her being more concerned with her daughter eating candy than her daughter fainting shows she’s not a real mom.
Not Manning being mad at Charles because he didn't confirm her theories when she has crossed the line in EVERY clip I've seen of her!
I couldn’t stand her. I was so happy when they wrote her out of the show.
She literally held a child hostage when the child parents didn’t wanna do what she recommended
And what episode was that you just said about Manning holding a child hostage?
shes cool tho
“Giving someone a Placebo is wrong!”
“Uuuh, doing something with no consequences that results in a crucial bit of medical information is wrong?”
The amount of damage unchecked mothers have wrought is insane and they never do time for it.
A lot of people believe mothers are not capable of the same level of abuse fathers are, when both parents can be incredibly harmful, it's just mothers tend to abuse their children in more subtle, psychological ways.
Can confirm. I had a mother who was a lot like this one, she was 100 pounds when wearing a winter coat soaking wet. Had an aunt I lived with who was like that too. I ended up with gastroparesis for five whole years. After I went no contact my symptoms WOOSH gone for good. Just had an ice cream cone for dessert after a massive roast beef and sausage dinner with potatoes and onions and carrots, as a matter of fact.
Yup, mothers tend to go for the jugular emotionally. Won't cause bruises, but can definitely cause a slew of other symptoms both mental and physical (ones that, given the wrong/manipulatable doctor, can be dismissed).
@@Panda72021The biggest terrorist group in the world are single mothers
The psychiatrist just said the mother is right
She could still have an eating disorder, though. I think I've heard somewhere that if someone purges frequently enough via vomiting, eventually their body gets accustomed to throwing up anything they try to eat.
Almost sounds like bulimia. They’ll gorge on food and then throw up afterwards. Maybe she would sneak food and gorge on it then throw up so her mom doesn’t think she’s getting fat and then I’m constantly hovering keeps the cycle going and now she associates throwing up after enjoying food for once.
Certainly becomes easier. Almost no effort required.
@@meghanmonroe it's not easier/almost effortless to have bulimia compared to having other eds tho, you could still die or get really really sick.
@@glimmerin_by_theswimminpool Oh, nooo, that was not my intended implication at all. I just meant that the more you purge, the more likely it will physically become easier or more effortless to vomit. I'm no doctor, so I can't speak officially on that. I can only report on my own experience. Maybe that's just a me thing, what do I know 🤔 😕
@@meghanmonroe ohhh i'm so sorry for accusing you!! yeah you're kinda making a point tho, it kinda becomes a routine ig
Feeling Nausea and vomiting after eating is a sign of Gastroparesis. My mother had it for only two years, but she was able to get out of that rut and eat better again.
I think because of her mother’s criticism she struggles eating
Obviously
But the daughter is already really thin
@@lctamoyawith a Karen image and reputation matters with the kids and hubby they can't be reasonable
@@saralisa823 I think her mother hovering over her and her expectations makes her suddenly reject the food. Dr Charles is wrong this time. Your mind and pressure to be thin is why
Watch the whole episode
Dr. Charles is the best character
This..all of this! This episode proves what I have suspected from watching every clip he gets screen-time in: Charles is a god-damned treasure and I will legit throw hands at the first person to say otherwise! 😂
He makes me want to watch the full episodes! Lol
Wow, she went aggressive really quickly over a placebo.
I went through the same thing. I have food allergies that my family ignored, intentionally, and my allergic reaction is to throw up. I was only allowed to eat food that had my allergy in it, which made me throw up, then i got punished for that, and had to finish what was left. Got to the point where I couldn't eat anything without instantly throwing up. Couldn't even drink water, for nearly a decade. Not fun
My mom did that to me once when I had suddenly started vomiting after school whenever I had milk the same morning but not without. Doctor at the clinic just wrote me off as dehydrated without checking me or running any tests and I was required to drink 8 glasses of plain water by force daily(in my mom's presence and excluding any amount I drank at school). She continued to make me drink milk daily as per doctor's instructions with the sudden drastic increase in water intake made me completely lethargic,frequent vomiting throughout the day and acted like I was drunk(stumbling around while walking and my words wouldn't come out clearly because I didn't have the energy to open my mouth properly). Eventually I just vomited everything a few seconds after I swallowed it including water which didn't help my situation. My mom had to be threatened by the staff of the women's shelter we were staying at the time that she'll lose custody of me for her to even listen to them that the doctor's instructions were doing more harm than improving my condition(they linked the days I did vomit with whether or not I had milk in the morning and no 8 year old should be acting drunk especially without any smell of alcohol). Overhydrated and malnourished to the point I could pass as a zombie back then but somehow my mom completely ignored it. Couldn't look at milk the same way for some time after the issue settled(probably due to stress back then) and took a while for me to even muster up the courage to finish my cup of milk during snack and lunch time at school.
There's a reason why I stopped watching this series after Dr Manning's leaving, and not because i loved her, but because her not being put in jail or having her medical license revoked. She's the worst doctor in all medical dramas history
As someone with anorexia trying to eat large amounts of food quickly is actually a sign. It's called binging and it usually happens after a long stint of either barely eating ir not eating at all.
I remember after a week of not eating I ate a burger and some fries and later threw up all over the pavement because my stomach wasnt big enough to handle it.
Basically treat this like a soap opera, cause real life is quite different.
yea except this girl isn’t anorexic she has SMAS
@@chloemariestrudel1311 I was just pointing out that the psychologists test isnt exactly what I would call medically sound
@@jensanruby it’s a show
You are 1 person. I understand how you want to talk about your experience with an ED. But you are not an expert just because you have an ED. Much in the same way that someone who has a brain tumour is not a neurosurgeon or neurologist.
I understand Mannings good intentions, but I totally get this and appreciate the segment. I was born with failure to thrive. My mother had sepsis, and I had a digestive disorder. At first, they thought that it was because my mother wasn’t feeding me properly and treated her as such. I was breast-fed. They took me into the hospital and started pumping me full of formula. Guess what? That didn’t work either.
How old are you for you to be 'diagnosed' as failure to thrive? That is either an outdated phrase or it should be. I've only heard of it on call the midwife which is set in the last century. What do they mean by failure to thrive anyway? Is it a physical thing, and is that because of the baby or environment? Sounds like a way to just dismiss a baby's death really (if the baby dies)
@@GossipIsSlander FTT is a legitimate diagnosis based on a child's weight or rate of weight gain. It's acknowledged that it can have a multitude of causes. Definitely not used as an excuse. It's just an acknowledgement of a condition that can have a number of sources. Our understanding of it has evolved since the midcentury (when call the midwife takes place) but it's still a valid condition.
@@hyperbolicowl2824 thank you❤️
@@GossipIsSlanderI'm a 24 year old woman and I was diagnosed last year with failure to thrive due to a severe GI condition that caused malnutrition. It's a real diagnosis.
I was also a failure to thrive baby. Birth mother didn't care for me and my adopted mom said I couldn't even hold my head up at 10 months old. I was very underweight. It's definitely a real diagnosis.
I know how Ashley feels… I have an eating disorder… it started a long time ago… and it’s still there…. You’ll never be rid of it… it’s like the constant reminder of the struggle that we went through daily
I hope you'll be better ❤ stay strong💪, sending a lot of love❤❤❤
Sorry you're going through that... It's such a difficult journey.
However, it is possible to not be plagued with intrusive thoughts of eating disorder. I had one when I was a young teenager and now I'm a young adult with a career in functional nutrition.
Understanding how the body works and what it needs to thrive, not just survive, broke barriers that were keeping me stuck in the disordered thoughts.
Did you watch the full clip? It's not an eating disorder.
@@vvoof2601 and clearly the mom is in her head and projecting her feelings towards the kid
lol confirmation bias for the win! The episode showed she had an issue where food she swallowed would hit an artery in her stomach and trigger a vomit reflex.
i’d love to see House M.D. talking to Dr. Manning.
Dr Manning would have been torn to shreds by House.
I had the same exact thing about a year ago and got tested for a bunch if things, no one could find out what was wrong with me. Finally i got medicine for my nausea and after a few months of taking that daily it was like nothing was ever wrong.
Weird
do you smoke 🍃?
@@atbadwolfbay14 no i’m in middle school…
@@Endless-Vids was you going through puberty when this all started?
@@samg873 no i had started puberty a year or two before it.
The actress playing the mom is Beth Chamberlain who played Beth Raines Spaulding on the former Soap Opera Guiding Light. Love seeing Guiding Light alumni on the Chicago shows. Nicole Forester (Cassie) played Matt's sister on Chicago Fire, along with Robert Newman (Josh) and Robert Bogue (Mallet) were both in episodes of the series, and Tom Pelphrey (Jonathan) was in a Chicago PD episode.
Thank you. I knew I remembered the actress, but I couldn't place her.
Here I thought she's a cross between LBB and Kirsten Bell
I currently have anorexia, I’m not currently in recovery. But I commend these doctors for doing what they are doing for this girl in this episode. My dad used to comment on how I ate when I was younger and still does sometimes. It really makes an impact on your mental health and your health in general. To any parents out there. Don’t comment on your children’s body or exercising times or food they eat, it’ll hurt them.
Wishing you the best ❤
My step dad, to this day, comments on how much I eat. 3 mostly healthy meals a day. I had told him a million times to stop and he won't. Saying, "no one needs to eat more than once a day and certainly don't need that rabbit food".
One day, I followed what he did and only ate one meal for a couple days. By the end of the 2nd day, he had to clean up the results of forcing me to starve myself. Because, I don't eat to stave of hunger. I eat because if I don't eat a certain amount by a certain time, I vomit everywhere. My brother and sister told our mom what he was making me do and she still didn't leave him. (Still with him to this day.) Made him clean up, though.
Now, because he drank nothing but beer and a 24 case of Mt. Dew a day and only ate meat, he has to take 10 different meds and is forced to eat 3 meals a day, which dropped him down 50 pounds.
My doctors were shocked I didn't develop an eating disorder because of him.
Dr. Manning is a doctor who will treat patients based on her emotions. Terrible thing for a dr…
It's ironic that I'm watching that after just sneaking fast food past my mom that I ordered from Uber Eats. I'm not even overweight, I just don't want to be judged.
My mother called me fat not directly but made jokes. I thought I was overweight until I got married and my husband was horrified. I was 2 sizes smaller and underweight! She made me buy smaller clothing and I thought not fitting meant I was fat. She was a bully. Glad to have gone non-contact with her!
The problem is you go from too fat to too skinny both are very unhealthy but being average weight or slightly above it is fine
Just reading the title, she definitely didn’t help her daughter not have an eating disorder.
She didn’t have an ED, but a rare condition called SMAS. The mother’s behavior may have delayed her diagnosis tho.
Dr Manning is one of the most hypocritical doctors on this show. Only worried about ethics and rules when she's not the one who wants to bend or ignore them. She's why I stopped watching.
She’s no longer in the show , so you can watch it again
@@simbeau2012I was thrilled when she was written out.
I can't stand her either.
She has SMAS - Superior Mesenteric Artery Syndrome. It’s the compression of the 3rd portion of the duodenum by the Superior Mesenteric Artery - often caused by extreme weight loss, or sometimes it’s just anatomical, or it happens when your weight can’t keep up with your height when you’re growing.
My mom used to be on me about my weight when I was younger...it took me years to learn to love myself and my body 😢
It's not unethical until the ER charges them like a hundred bucks for that tic tac.
😆
That 'mother' is the epitome of 'tell me you're a Karen without telling me you're a Karen'.
As someone who struggles with an eating disorder and body dysmorphia, this hits hard
The female doctor threatens to out the psychiatrist when in all the clips ive seen she's the one who's always breaking the rules and doing something unethical
“What did you give her?”
“…. A tic tac”
This is a really good episode. Everything isn't always as it seems. There was a lot of lessons you can learn from just this one episode.
Love that he corrected her.
The kid can’t take a bite without mum fussing & criticising. Back off woman
She wouldn’t have been so open and excited to eat a burger is right. There would have been anxiety and panic at just the thought of it and if she did she wouldn’t be loving it as much as she was. Mom is a little to pushy with the food thing though. She is more worried about her weight and not so much why she can’t hold down food. The mom and the way she is also is how kids develop an ED
Idk she might be bullimic maybe at that point she was throwing up a lot, and then didn’t want to puke anymore and was trying to recover but her stomach was so messed up she threw up
Dr. Manning: what did you give her?
Dr. Charles: a tic tac
Dr. Manning: THE END OF DAYS HAVE ARRIVED!!!!
someone should’ve told the mom to just shut tf up 🙄🙄
Eating too quickly can cause stomach pains as well as vomiting when you haven't eaten in awhile or are starving
"What did you give her?"
"A TicTac."
😂
Yeah. She looks worried. Bless her heart. Smh. The mother should NOT be saying anything. Your daughter is saying she is having issues with eating. Just let her eat. SMH.
The daughter had SMAS, but the mom’s attitude probably delayed her diagnosis
You know when I overeat and need to lose weight, my parents didn’t make it all about how a bad diet would make me look. They focused on teaching me about how overeating could lead to diabetes, heart problems, high cholesterol, and other hazardous body dysfunctions. They made it all about my health. Not my looks and maybe that’s why I was never Anorexic or Bulimic. Because my parents had me thinking about my health.
I think maybe that’s a more positive way to get your kids to eat better. Don’t try to get your kids to diet by telling them if they don’t eat right they’ll get ugly and don’t criticize them either. Kindly, lovingly, but firmly, explain to them the importance of eating right for the good of their health. If someone only thinks about if they’re healthy instead of how skinny they can look, they won’t over eat or starve themselves. Because neither one is healthy and they’ll want to do what is healthy.
yeah, that's the right way to do it, you've got great parents!
@@sevenseasonsofbrown Thank you
Agreed. It should always be about health first! Appearance should be the last thing on your mind.
My father caused my eating disorder by constantly criticism
Love all the doctors, you guys are very compassionate, caring…
“Agoraphobic decided to go to the movies today” that’s me! 😅
Well, sadly that is nothing new. Most mothers make their daughters have a terrible relationship with food.
She is showing signs of gastritis, not anorexia. I have had gastritis in the past.
That's right, Dr. Charles, put her in her place. Manning's such a know-it-all.
They take an oath to first do no harm, I don't think the tic tac hurt her any 😆
The ''mother'' is crazy.
Bhaiii i love doc charless what a character 😂❤
Approximately 30% of people with chronic GI diseases (like food allergies, food intolerances, Crohns, IBS & Acid Reflux) develop eating disorders.
Haha Dr. Manning talking about ethics and she breaks the law almost every episode 😂
I hated this mother in this episode
I have an Ed and I have the exact same thing where I can’t eat or drink anything without pain or being sick.(I don’t make myself throw up by the way). It’s awful and I feel so sick all the time. I really want to try a feeding tube but my parents won’t let me because I have an Ed.
How does that work? I thought ed's were psychological. Does your body end up rejecting food after intentionally restricting for so long?
@@lulululu28383 I don’t know all the doctors I’ve been to have told me it’s in my head I’ve been on multiple medications and nothing has helped.
Well i can tell you its not an eating disorder if you throw up without making yourself theres something wrong you just gotta find the right doctor
Oliver Platt never ceases to amaze me
The only logical thing to do is have the mom arrested immediately
The trick to food is that it's about portion control and calorie deficit. You can technically eat too many veggies and drink too much water. Everything should be in moderation.
I had something similar around 14. Every time I ate I felt sick and it got to the point where I started throwing up after eating. I eventually stopped eating, lost 7lbs within a week. Took going to the doctor 3 times to finally tell me it was chronic acid build up in my stomach. Haven't had a problem since
This scene looks exactly like the interactions between Gigi Hadid and her mum
I wish I'd had a doctor like him when I was in a similar position and doctors didn't believe me and insisted it was an ED. Took close to four years for anyone to realize it was my gallbladder.
I love how she just orders all the bloodwork, then turns around to talk to Dr.Charles, stating her bloodwork is normal.
I remember having Anorexia.
I was 13 when I was diagnosed put into intensive care bc of it. After I got out everything was worse before I even went in, I was a structural diet that would help with not only nutrition but also keep me from relapsing.
But it didn’t bc when you live in a home with a narcissist noting is bound to stay safe-he’s hidden from me before taken food out my hands and then wonders to this day why I went no contact
Speaking from experience, i have anxiety that gets so bad it makes me want to throw up. Her mother is likely pushing the fear of food so much that her body is responding the same. It's psychological problems causing physical ones.
Ugh kids should be kids and eat what they want. Unless they are on a special diet or have a gluten/dairy intolerance.
Let them live a bit.
Dr Manning and Halstead are the most insufferable doctors in this show, only abiding to ethics when they feel like it, but a patient makes a choice regarding their own health that they don't like and they will throw hospital lawyers and law interpretation to overrule the patient's autonomy. I recall the kid who didn't want any more chemo. Manning's answer to the dad listening to his child? Get the dad locked up and force chemo on the kid. But Dr Charles gives a patient a placebo to check a psychological diagnosis? "I will report you, wah wah"
Placebo is not unethical if it helps a patient ! Tic tac is yum ! Let the lid have one!
0:57 I hope she wrote that down cause she lost me at CBC😂😂
The most I got was cbc (complete blood count) cmp, something, mag, something, ua, something, urine, tox and she wants to see Dr Charles xxx
Dr Charles is something else ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I'm really shocked that the daughter had eating disorder feel bad for her also Dr manning & Dr Charles want to make sure she get better
She didn’t have an ED. She has SMAS.
That's my mother right there...
Why mom looks like she is constipated?😅😅😅
My mum was always on me about watching what I eat. It was after her death I understood why 😢
alot of people dont know that with word “describe physical” (fat/ugly) can mentally ruin someone, im one of the victim, being told “ugly” by my own sister since i was child.. imagine the mental’s horror when u grew up with that hate speech from kid to adult.. i have eating disorder bcs of that..
bcs i think im never enough.. turns out, took a long time for me to understand “its my sister’s mentality thats broken” not mine.. 😀
ur family can be ur mental illness resource = Fact!
I just started watching this show a little while ago and it's pretty good. Dr. Ava and Dr. Natalie get on my last nerves though.
My mom judging what I eat as a child still affects me, and I'm 30. And I'm autistic with tastebud sensory issues!
Dr. Charles for life :)
She reminds me of me , I have rumination syndrome and can’t keep any food or fluid down every time I eat or drink I am sick
I understand how she feels
Dr Charles is great!
It’s the Superior Mesenteric Artery thing
I used to get my hair cut by a woman that was so obsessed about gaining weight that she made herself sick,she could no longer stand to cut hair,she ended up in the hospital ,barely survived .Sad.
It is so weird seeing him on this show after watching after watching Three musketeers
My siblings and I all have different eating disorders. The things you say about food can and will affect your kids, my mother used to comment on how much we ate and what kind of things we ate-she cooked and plated the meals, bought the snacks we ate. My youngest sister and I had very average bodies but my mother called us “fat little pigs” all the time.
My younger sister is in recovery for bulimia, doing amazing. I have an issue with overeating for a day, and then not eating at all for days, my oldest sister doesn’t eat at all, and the other older one stopped eating anything that isn’t booze.
Do not talk about food with your children unless your concerns are GENUINE and not just about their looks.
I love letting doctors give me placebos, because I prefer to know that my complaint is real
I would watch this if not for Dr. Manning. She's more emotion than Dr to me. I love Dr Charles; I watch any clips he's in. His Intern I like her.
I should report you
me: that's rich coming from you
Literally every episode i watch the more I hate Dr. Manning 😂
I love these videos you post I’ve watched at least 3hours
Some doctors love jumping to conclusions. I have experienced it in relation to my kids on many occasions. You are thin and maybe look tired so therefore you are being abused! Doctors have nearly cost me my kids based on assumption. Are there any impartial independent ones out there?!