Carowinds Fury 325 What Really Happened?
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- I discuss what I know about the Fury 325 situation. Thanks to Carowinds Fans Only on Facebook for the photos.
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One of the best videos on this subject I've seen. Along with Ryan The Ride Mechanic. I dont know why people's first reaction is to freak out and point the finger at whatever's closest, even when they don't know a majority of the story. We see this all throughout society, and its frankly gross. Its time for more intelligent thought and discourse, and less animal instincts.
I agree. I subscribed to Ryan the ride mechanic couple weeks ago when I discovered his channel. his subs have been blowing up! been following amusement insiders for awhile preparing for my first Wonderland visit.. these people know what they talking about and it's refreshing to watch coaster/park content not top ten whatever for nerds like me.
Agreed big time. We don't even know much and yet people still want to start a witch hunt without any evidence in front of them. It's like people don't have brains anymore. The most important thing is that people are safe before anything else could have happened. And it's amazing how B&M was able to design a support and their track without anymore feeling a jolt. Speaks volumes on how overdesigned their rides are, and for good reason. B&M has a clean track record for a reason, and it's because they like to overdesign certain things to ensure the highest level of safety. In fact, I strongly believe that B&M has the highest level of safety compared to most steel coaster manufacturers. Their engineering, programming, safety, all immaculate and at the top of their class.
I used to work for a Cedar Fair Park and I will say that they did put a lot of time and effort into maintenance. They required rides to be shut down for maintenance every year when I worked at a year-round park. Kitty rides would usually be shut down for a week and it's a bigger rides were shut down for 2 weeks or sometimes a month
So, why this ride cracked?? Is scary to think that they put a lot of effort on maitenance and this things happens. Like how i am able to trust you if this a BM roller coaster cracked like..m
@@kriuwindeed! Do not listen to jillousa
@@kriuw because of stress fractures that are almost impossible to find, and b&m coaster supports are over engineered so there the crack didnt pose a real threat
One of the great ironies in my life is I love to be on a coaster but I fear heights completely - and you couldn't pay me enough to do what these guys do to inspect and maintain rides. I have total respect for these peeps.
It's funny....I can ride the big rides... but watching them do this freaks me out.. Makes my palms sweat...In fact, I just watched a video where someone paid $325 to climb fury (the steps) to the top... and even that made me nervous...
Canadas wonderland is also my park. I am an engineering student. For one of my projects we tried to improve the B&M track design for cost. It was incredibly easy. Reason is because of how overdesigned it is. You could probably remove half of what is there and it would still function (in theory) so I seriously doubt this is a B&M issue
Yeah I agree with this. B&M always overdesigns to the point where we think it’s too redundant, but that’s what makes B&M coasters so safe. There are safety features on top of safety features and it makes it virtually impossible to die on a B&M coaster.
Steel cracks. Just the nature of the beast. It wasn’t a weld failure which is a good thing.
Half? Damm b&m safety departments realy having a blast with the coasters, and its good
B&M also makes sure that they have safety in mind. I mean they have so many redundant safety features, that it makes their rides virtually impossible to die on. And I'm sure B&M's engineering team is the same. These engineers are not stupid, they have decades of experiences to back them up, and I'm sure B&M designed the track and support in a way where you won't be able to feel that this fracture occurred. Now, I don't know if B&M will get involved and if they'll do an inspection on this ride as well to ensure that nowhere else on the ride is like this, but they'll maybe get Clermont Steel Fabricators to fabricate a new support for this section, maybe change up the original design specifications, but I'm sure the original specs were overdesigned from the start. Not only does this look bad for Carowinds, but also to B&M, who really shouldn't be taking the blame, since their rides are pretty much perfect in terms of design, engineering, and quality. I wouldn't say B&M should be at fault, but there are just too many variables right now to determine really anything. In the end, nobody got injured and everyone is still safe, and that's the most important thing. Fury 325 will definitely be closed for a while, but safety is more important than missing a ride on Fury 325.
Just because you have some footage of some maintenance crews & construction workers in Canada doing their jobs has nothing to do with and doesn't even scratch the surface of Cedar Fair's lack of maintenance and disregard for manufacturer recommendations... First of all there's a huge difference between industry standards and manufacturers safety recommendations which are really demands not RECOMMENDATIONS, there is a contractual time frame where in the customer ( i.e Cedar Fair) cannot do anything other than what the manufacturer recommends but after that time period expires they are free to then be "cheapskates" and get aftermarket parts and follow their own protocols 💯 The issue is once the rides are constructed & running Cedar Fair becomes more concerned with their wallets and profits then the continued manufacturer recommended maintenance of coasters. Of course they do maintenance and perform scheduled maintenance no one is saying they don't, you have to really know what all is involved with these trades to understand the point is Cedar Fair gets cheap and starts doing the bare minimum. They buy after-market parts that manufacturers (i.e Intamin, RMC) do not support! Cedar Fair waits till the contractual term expires to start doing so. Cedar Fair has continued for years to do so to save money and increase profit margins! It's sad and it also isn't practiced in places like Europe or even here with Universal or SeaWorld...Take a look into their coaster performance records these Parks rides have a lot less downtime and a lot fewer issues compared to Cedar Fair because they maintain their rides up to NOT ONLY industry standards at all times, BUT up to MANUFACTURER RECOMMENDATIONS there's a difference!!!
This content creator is a total idiot, it's a major failure. Their was plenty of warning, it just didn't happen as he says. It should of been closed immediately!
Damage is worse than we see. The failure on that support means other ones around it exposed to greater forces than designed for. Although I agree with you the redundancy means very little chance of accident the bigger issue imo is the fact CF did not notice the issue when it was smaller and much easier to have repaired. Now they will be closed for a long time as they need to check ride more carefully than they had been doing.
Side note, yes, this happens all the time on all attractions with steel, there will always be cracks and they get welded and rewelded constantly.
The same thing happened to Tatsu at magic mountain, same support style on the final turnaround element . It was welded and life went on.
Parks are not run the same just because you see one Park doing a lot of maintenance. Each state would have different rules on what has to be done to open rides. Never mind that you are comparing different countries. Most companies usually try and do the min requirement to keep cost down. I have no idea if this is the case with Cedar Fair but to suggest they do the same from a park to park without any real comparison is just a guess
Facts, by the way hes explaining its near impossible that fury’s maintenance crew didnt notice it if they had canada’s wonderlands maintenance crew.
I've tried saying in another video, bottom line, there's too many factors at play and too many things that could have been done to prevent it to even be able to point fingers. I just hope that all companies work to find the underlying problem, resolve it and move forward with no bad blood.
Every CF park does FEA & NDS on the coasters in the off season to check for fatigue or other issues. Coaster trains are deconstructed, every nut & bolt checked & replaced if needed. There is a lot more than visuals to check rides. I have talked to maintenance people at CP, introduced by a friend, the off season is actually busier for them than main season because there is so much to do when the parks are closed to maintain & prep rides for the upcoming season. The coasters are engineered with a factor of safety thus that even with the crack, the ride could cycle for a period w/o catastrophic collapse.
Always love your content! I, like most of us here, know nothing about engineering, and little to nothing about the behind the scenes happenings of these parks. All I know is that I've been riding my entire life, 90% of it at Kings island and Cedar Point, and I'm still alive in one piece. I'm a little bias for sure, but I've never felt unsafe at an amusement park. As far as Cedar Fair goes, I would probably go just short of saying I would blindly trust their maintenance teams with my life, which honestly we all kind of do anyway whenever get on a ride. One off mistakes happen, and will continue to happen, just like any other industry. Cedar Fair will learn from this, fix it, and prevent it from happening on any other ride of theirs. If this keeps the general public away, then that means more for the rest of us!
From the photos, I am guessing the cause is faulty weld. Look where the high part of the left support attaches to the right support. Then look at the horizontal piece that connects to track and support. Those two welds are pretty close together. I would theorize that there was a weak spot there and with the train traveling over that section of track, there is a lot of stress on that spot.. I would not blame Cedar Fair. There is not enough time in the day to inspect every support all the time. If it was ongoing issue, it should have been caught before season started. So, I am guessing it was recent break that no one caught. Just my theory.
Remember: The full story pertaining to this incident is not just that a Park guest had to make them aware of the fracture...but that Park officials continued operating the ride. The guest noticed that, AND then took the initiative to contact the fire department, and only when the fire marshals came did Carowinds stop the ride.
We can debate all day about whether Cedar Fair was providing regular maintenance, but the real problem is that they had poor (or no) procedures in place for a situation like this.
Lastly, I really tire of all the people who definitely say, "No one was in danger!" It's one thing to say that riders PROBABLY weren't in danger, but the fact that it wasn't a 'weak' support, but a completely severed support, means that those other "redundant" columns were taking extra stress, and could also now be at higher risk of fracture, even after this main support is repaired or replaced.
I think all the "experts" saying "No one was in danger!" should be flown down to NC, and given a special ride or two on the unrepaired column. --I realize it's been welded, since. But, you get my point. If there was "no danger", then you and everyone else who says so should've lined-up down at Carowinds and demanded to ride Fury 325 before it was fixed, to prove your point.
I agree, welding cracks and general maintinance happen a lot and yes they could have missed a small crack that became a bigger problem over time.
how ever in this case it seem like a footer or support was shifted or maybe even under built. because while cracks are normal a full fracture is very very uncommon.
I also hate the people trying to say this ride will be open again in 2-3 weeks..... hello? they have no clue how long these things take.
so far its speculation. we dont have an awnser yet.
but even if its just a crack that needed welding that was missed. the repair will take 2-3 months. because I dont thinks its right to but the same support design back just for it to snap again in another 5 years.
it needs a re design. stronger footing. thicker tube walls, stonger welds. and I wouldnt be supprised if they replace a few other high stress areas footing and supports for stronger ones.
I wouldnt be supprised at all if its closed till next year for a bunch of footings and supports to be replaced.
and yh I agree totaly with your conclution. Its most likley footer / soil related. I also have worked in construction for over 6-7 years now and from my experience most of the time its normally a footing / foundation issue.
footings / groundwork / foundations are almost half the entire job time and can cost a lot of money. and because you can see 80-90% of them once the ride / building is done these are the places that have cornerd cut most of the time to save money.
I hope they dont cheap out and just try to replace only that one top support part and get the ride running asap. the last thing the theme park comunity needs is another accident that could have been prevented.
also look at the smiler crash here in the uk. the ride system and hardwhere was totaly fine. the opperators were the issue and that ride still closed for the rest of the season.
I really don’t think B&M should take the blame. In fact they are the least likely to be blamed because of how over designed their rides are when it comes to track and support design. I’m sure the original specifications of the ride are immaculate the way they are. It’ll take a while before Fury 325 opens and safety is more important than missing a ride. It’s not worth your life for that. I hope that B&M can get involved so that they can make adjustments with Carowinds and Cedar Fair, even if it means to redesign the support with new specifications in mind.
Cedar Fair dodged a bullet here. Can you imagine if someone had gotten hurt. It's most likely fixable and should be running by the end of the season.
I was at Carowinds a day before the ACE meeting in June and it was POURING rain. Me and my friend really felt the park should have been closed because the rides were definitely going faster than advertised. They had even closed Copperhead for about an hour in the middle of the day due to the conditions, but Fury was running constantly. I think the answer might be a combination of your explanation and what I just explained, as the ground around many of Fury's elements is unpaved. This means that especially in rainy conditions, it becomes more like swampland than regular dirt. The drastic change in soil quality in combination with the increased speeds of the trains on wet track is, in my opinion, the most likely reason for the damage.
I worked at Hurler and Drop Tower. (during Scarowinds). The land where Fury and Hurler sit, becomes really marshy after it rains. We also had a week of on and off rain right before the crack formed.
Last winter, was also the first winter they ran Fury during Winterfest. So I wonder if that caused more fatigue. This is purely speculation.
Just so it's clear, I haven't worked there since Winterfest.
Generally this type of stuff is taken into consideration heavily when they are designing footers for specific land types(via survey information, land history, Ect) But yea, sometimes shit happens.
I was there the day it shut down last Friday I rode it 15 times before it shut down
@@Zinojn Thank you
What caused the crack?
Obviously stress an mainly vibration.
But why the column wich was designed to stand stess and vibration cracked?
Was it a design flaw?
The forces working on the element were not calcularse properly? Something went unaciunted for? The structural element had to be more robust?
Was a problem with tje material?
Or the welding was not done correctly?
Even an air bubble in the welding can cause problems.
Was it a maintsibance issue? Or natural wear and tear?
Well, now speaking about the welding, the welding cord welding two or more elrments is the strongest point BUT it is not elastic. The column may bend and un extreme effort deform but the welding once not, once its bearing capacity is exceeded it will just crack.
Un the video where the train girs by and the sway can bee seen we can ser the durevtion if the force abdbut is outward. (One force is the weight of the structure been pulled down by Gravity, its weight and the other of the train going along the track)
Now that that column is not supporting the track (and the elements forming the track, metal, tuves and welding) are bearing those forces wich they we're not designed for. The company must inspect the track fir fatigue or deformation also.
Why do they keep calling it a crack/fracture? It's a 100% clean break through the support. The only reason it looks like it's just a crack, is the track that's connected on top is bolted to the support. Remove the bolts from the tracks, and that top portion will fall. Several videos show it's a clean break. Stop calling it a fracture. A fracture is a crack, not fully broken, but can turn to a break. That above is broken fully. Just realized, they not only have to most likely replace that support, but won't they need to fix any of the track? One would think with the track holding its own weight, something else could also be breaking.
I don't know if Canada's Wonderland and U.S. Parks are the same. When that tragic accident happened on the Fireball at the Ohio State Fair, there was a lot of concern for the same ride at the CNE in Canada, but we were assured that Canada has stricter inspection/safety laws than the U.S.
from working with carnivals i know canadas regulations are tight....ive seen rides having to be taken down because of one loose bolt and reset so that plays in policies here vs usa
I think this was very informative and reassuring. As you said, this could have been something that the checks simply didn't catch. But on the other hand, it should absolutely never have happened to begin with, especially to this degree, being in the middle of the road from mild wear and tear to a serious accident. I guess even though cracks similar to this are checked, remediated, patched up, fixed or corrected and are not unheard of, this is still 100% on the maintenance team for missing it. Again, they are very professional and I do trust Cedar Fair and their maintenance teams. Canada's Wonderland is also my home park. Sometimes things really are overlooked or missed, but this is their fault and responsibility. We have to be thankful that B&Ms are of the best quality and they are engineered like tanks and that Carowinds, Cedar Fair and B&M are all on it to prevent this from ever happening again. Hope she's back soon.
If the foundations are not installed to the ride manufacturers specification, you end up with forces being applied differently to what was calculated during design. These unexpected forces can and do lead to accelerated fatigue cracking.
In my experience, repair work gets covered by the manufacturer under warranty providing certain conditions are met.
One thing I noticed in the video though, that torque wrench near the beginning was not being used correctly, there is no way she could be applying 600Nm from that angle with one hand in a jerking motion. I would be concerned with an inexperienced person doing that kind of job on their own.
Cracks happen but when a crack appeared a week before there was a break is on Carowinds. I hope the person that took the picture on June 24 reported it to the park. There is a news story by NBC that had the guy that reported the actual break say it took Carowinds an hour to shut the ride down after he reported it. He said he was freaking out the ride continued to run. That is troubling in my eyes.
The issue is less one regarding the long term maintenance. It is more one regarding the daily inspection of the rides and the observation of the ride by the ride operators, park employees and maintenance staff. This support was fractured and like that for at a minimum several hours of ride operation, and possibly even days. It was discovered and reported by a teenagers father who was waiting outside the park in the parking lot to pick up his kids. He filmed it and was forced to escalate up 4 layers of management before anybody would believe him or take him seriously. This was with the newly shot video in hand. At a minimum the customer service in this incident was appallingly bad. The delay between the report of the break to the shutdown of the ride was also rather disturbingly long. The better part of an hour. This leaves the rather distinct impression that the staff at Carowinds were neither watching their rides properly, nor were they believing other people who were watching their rides. The problem here was not the crack itself, but rather the local staffs actions prior and as the incident unfolded.
Best and most informative reply yet. Having been in construction all my life and having seen much regards maintenance crews I can assure you that even the best ones are minimally qualified to do that which is usually required, and totally unqualified to do more. I''ve seen and had to fix their 'fixes' which are patches and not fixes at all. And management is no better, either ignoring the issues hoping they'll go away or that the work of dealing with things will land on someone else.
The driving force behind both problems is our typical American attitude of assigning costs and profits more priority than they merit, and our corporate laws and structures making that possible. God would have rightfully cast 3 levels of management and the maintenance inspectors and supervisors into a lake of fire over this, but us? Nope, nobody will even get fired. Increasi9ng government oversight won't fix it either since they're as bad or worse. Like the I-35W bridge failure, a little bit more diligence and caring could have averted the major headaches which ensued. At least nobody got hurt here, but I can't find anything else good about this..
The reason Carowinds did not get excited when told was because they had to look into it go through chain of command then at that point shut ride down one if they did not keep their cool about it there would of been mass panic and people could of been trampled on and got hurt and even someone trampled to death main reason park seemed not to react but in reality they did because ride was shut down smoothly same day
Stress happens. That’s who’s to blame. No company or park could fully say 100% they know the integrity of any given piece of steel. That corner is high load and the support worked up until now. Quit blowing this up into something someone could have prevented people. Physics will occur eternally. It’s stupid.
The quality of these videos has been getting better! I can really notice a difference
*HAS been...
Crazy how this happened 8 months ago, feels a lot less than that
Most people don't know that a lot of our food, chemicals, synthetic rubber, and much more are manufactured using vibrating conveyors. All moving equipment generates vibration, and the metal that support those machines have a their own natural frequency, however, is some cases the equipment also has its own natural frequency, and when those frequencies can be overlapping, they can amplify the vibration within the structures and cause failures. I've seen "I" beans crack in half, as well as other pieces of metal generates cracks, effecting the strength. This can and usually is caught in the design phase, but not unless the entire structure is analyzed. Many times that final analysis is not does to save costs. I had one company that mandated the analysis before they would sign off on the drawings. In one case another company had a piece of equipment that failed, resulting in a loss of $250,000 profit per hour. since chemical plants run 24/7, that outage caused millions of dollars in loss profits before it was repaired. You said the engineering firm overdesigned the equipment, by 2X, 3X, 4X, double, etc, but by how much? The design will be at fault in the end.
We all know that Canada's Wonderland's safety record can't be beat by any theme park in the U.S.A. That is why our coasters are being scanned and repaired proactively and that has nothing to do with Cedar Fair. That has to do with canadian safety standards which are much, much, much higher than American safety standards. This could never happen at Canada's Wonderland and for sure it could not go unnoticed for a week at Canada's Wonderland. Again, nothing to do with Cedar Fair. If American safety standards and inspections were higher like in Canada, then this would not have happened at Carowinds. Once again, nothing to do specifically with Cedar Fair as they are just going by American safety standards. Cedar Fair is going to repair Fury very quickly as how Vortex, Behemoth, Dragon Fyre were done and I think that Cedar will now be scanning every coaster they own in the very near future, hopefully bringing the American Cedar Fair parks up to Canada's Wonderland standards.
This was so well done and said. Thank you!!
That is a structural problem, either a manufacture defect in the materials used to build the coster, or, possibly a design flaw, a designer got the force calculations wrong. THAT IS NOT A PARK MAINTENANCE PROBLEM AT ALL, THIS KIND OF THING SHOULD NEVER NEED TO BE REPLACED. IT SHOULD LAST THE LIFE OF THE RIDE!
Great video!! I have always wondered why they do not build roller coasters using galvanized steel beams. Galvanized steel will not rust & can withstand the weather elements better than regular steel. Just my opinion
That failure was at the weakest spot on the support beam. I dont blame the manufacturer or the park maintenance for missing that small crack because it could started on the outside where it was hard to see. The metal could of had a bad spot where they didn't notice from when they built it. There is alot that could of happened.
*could have
Who's to blame you ask in the thumbnail? B&M or whomever created the supports. There's no matinence with support structures. You replace when needed period. Either it wasnt enough for the stress or wasn't made to spec.
My home park is knotts but its open all year like carowinds is i believe so how do they do it then?
It's a poor design with the tube on tube connection, makes a massive stress riser on the top left of the weld. It's a common weakness of tube on tube welded joints but with the angles of these members and forces it's worse than most. In the least the weld should have been a higher grade with more surface area and larger radius of curvature to compensate and reduce the stress there. Everything else is under low stress except that one part of the weld, will be a high point of failure with this design.
I think the problem lays with the ride being modified. The coaster was build, then afterwards there was complaints about noise. It would be the classic sound of Raptor and Mantis/Rougaruo. So, they added sand in the box part of the track to dampen the sound. After that B&M put the sand in the tube part of the track. That’s why Gatekeeper and Valravn is quite. So I think the stress fracture is from the extra weight of the sand that the structure was not originally designed to withstand
cedar fair is chea on some areas keep up with the rides is a high on the list not bottom
knotts berry farm my home park they casually breakdown there flat rides to rebuild,xcelerator has been closed for 1 year and 7 months for all maintenance they even removed montezoomas just to refurb to launch
But Carowinds didn't have a down season this year as they stayed opened all year for the first time.
I could be wrong but I’ve heard some ppl blame B&M. In all honesty, you can’t blame them, blame the ones that are responsible to inspect these rides on a daily basis. Someone dropped the ball bad and accountability needs to be taken
1:45 all I can think about looking at that is: Did they just tape that together? Red Green would be proud.
I think that's actually to protect it from water getting in (Which would cause rust) while they wait for the inspection and repairs to be completed.
It's only there to make it look less noticeable to guests.
@feronar-warsongus221 I figured that's what it was for. If you ever saw The Red Green Show he would always end up using duct tape to fix everything.
Welding is making metal weaker. If you keep welding and weldin the same fragments, then they finally crack completely and structure will fall . Cracks shouldnt appear at all. IF you need welding, that means structure is not designed properly.
I still can't believe people jumped down Cedar Fair like that when this happened. I even read from per a certain content creator that intamin is refusing to work with Cedar Fair because of their maintenance practices. Let the park figure out what happened fix it and put things in place so it doesn't happen again.
Good info, thanks!!
The engineer that made that footing made a mistake on that area of the coaster, that to me is obvious. The park needs to do a way better job of noticing what was not to hard to miss. If they miss that! What else
I trust Canada’s Wonderland. The rides and coasters are always very safe
I work for six flags and can assure you fractures occur more frequently than the guests realize.
It's our job to mitigate the risks.
Exaxtly
Exactly
@@AmusementInsidersdo you really believe that fury’s maintenance crew is good like Canada’s considering the fact that multiple account said that they noticed a smaller version of fury’s crack a few weeks before? By what ur saying it sounds like “cedar fairs” maintenance crew wouldve discovered this big breakage of a support beam weeks before multiple park guests noticed them it. I dont think you realize that canada’s park maintenance is different from America’s.
I think a giant Emu tried climbing the support, and snapped the fukin thing.
Yep, footing issues seem to make a lot of sense to me as the cause of the problem. I figure soil erosion and settling would occur everywhere and many footings probably shift over time, which changes the balance of forces acting on the supports.
I would have to say Bravo I have been on your channel for quite some time and I've been riding roller coasters since 1985 and have been entwined with them very well when it comes down to the engineering part because of my father but there was still some things I did not know about and I would have to say that you have opened up my eyes as well as the rest of the park and history what they lack Lester Ness as well as people going in just a little bit too much.. but I would have to say kudos to you this video was everything.
I have watched every video duriong the spring and this is all 2023 footage!!
This is why I don’t get on State Fair rides. I just don’t trust them one bit I’d rather go play games, eat food, buy things I don’t need, & ride a camel😂
Als je goed in Soest zie je dat er ook zelfs 4 bouten ontbreken
I think the design should be applauded! The ride ran countless times with a structural failure and no one was killed or injured
I had always imagined they used some kind of bigass torque wrench to tighten the bolts on amusment rides ... and that's precisely how they do it! Can't imagine what the tightening torque must be on those. Thankfully the rupture was caught in time and there were no consequences, tho I hope this will get theme parks to actually run the daily and monthly inspections they claim to do.
Your absolutely wrong!!!! It broke from stress then causing exponentially more stress on the carriers before and after. They got very lucky they didn't have a failure causing death! Glad it was caught! Its a hell of a ride!!
Wonderland Safety has always been a priority... It is likely Carowinds fault
Grona Lund is doing the same investigations after the deadly accident where part of the wheelset broke off. They called Zierer, Gerstlauer (because of Schwarzkopf) in to investigate with TUV and the police. So i totally understand your point of view.
Not to mention the fabrication facility ( Clermont Steel Fabricators ) will want to look into this.
There is differences between the parks in terms of rules and guidelines. For example, CP and Carowinds requires sunglasses to have straps on them in order to be worn for the ride. They do not at KI or KD. Another difference is Carowinds they tell you not to pull down on the lap bars yourself, and that they will do it for you. CP, KD, and KI don’t seem to care about that.
I think the reason some of the parks don’t want you pulling down the restraint is if you didn’t fasten your seatbelt the restraint then needs to be released to buckle it. That’s time consuming. KI does say not to pull down lap bar on several coasters such as Orion and Diamond Back. My daughter gets irritated because they always staple her. Maybe it depends on who is working.
Great video!
It's a major failure, what did the inspection crew inspect. The coaster should of been closed PERIOD You don't remember Son of Beast accident.
Great Vid Brendon!
i was there it was crazy like its still so scary to me that my freinds rode on the ride 11 times in 1 day
To the Narrator of this video , you are telling me you would be safety assured to let your kids on the broken column ?
I'm sure Fury 325 going down must be my fault. 😉Hear me out: I visited SFGA last year and El Toro went down again. This year I visited Carowinds in April and Fury 325 went down. In June I visited Kings Island so I'm sure Diamondback should go down any day now (because Diamondback is better than Orion). For anyone who takes this too seriously: I can't wait to hear people reminding me that Diamondback hasn't gone down. (not yet, anyway in any case: they don't get jokes and they probably like Orion better than Diamondback anyway.) Leave 'em be to not get jokes. Im just glad I rode Fury 325 97 times in 3 days and 4 hours when I had the chance. Thanks for posting!
Been welding structural steel all my life. I see that is a nasty weld with a lot of undercut on the top edge of the weld. And I can see that on my monitor. Should of never passed inspection. But maybe the inspector is just over payed and doesn't know what he's really looking at.
To say there was NO danger is pure BS. A structure such as this has SO MUCH torque on it and when a part such as that fails COMPLETELY, the torque and danger spreads across the entire platform. You need to go back to metal stress class 101
I trust Carowinds with my safety but I think it’s a footing issue or a hairpin
One support beam goes they all do.
Well now wasn’t that just proven wrong
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Funny. If people knew anything about Safety Scoence, and Safety Culture in general, then they would know that blaming leads nowhere.
Is I just me, or does it seem America just can't make things that last? Like bridges, rail roads, submersibles, space craft, Cybertrucks, buildings, and steam powered self-built rockets to prove the Earth is flat...😂
It has been blown way out of proportion.
Could also have been staged as to give reason to not build new rides like this that cost so much money with the terrible economy we're in. 😱🙃
It's a bad design and it was only a matter of time for this to happen.
Let’s not blame park it happened it’s accident and if stress fracture just occurred hard to know it would happen. Look at sox flags and El Toro with multiple accidents and lots of down time.
I bet a footing sunk a little bit, suddenly which created the crack
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It sounds like u think the crack wasn’t serious. This could have resulted in violent injury or death!
I am very well aware this is serious. But full context is needed before people go on a witch hunt
He was probably bought out
@@someoneout-there2165Sounds like it anyways.
The real question is what does this do to the relationship between cedar fair and B&M. Does B&M get blacklisted like Intamin and RMC?
Doubt it this is like one in a life time intamin and rmc something always happens
None of those companies is blacklisted
@@sharkheadismnot officially for rmc it’s just kinda implied because of steve’s issues but cedar fair most definitely will not work with intamin in the near future because of every issue they’ve had with their rides
I'll never get on one. Disgusting anyone can try and justify this. Boycott!
And then you get in your car and forget about all the crashes that happen on highways and street road hybrids like stroads
Being very familiar with amusement park safety protocols and these types of coasters this is astoundingly inexcusable.
A few important points to cover here:
1. Every nut, bolt, weld, contour, and yes even support beam is not only necessary, but vital. ALL amusement rides and roller coasters are carefully designed and engineered this way
2. In my estimation, this was not just a simple “Crack” in the steel. This was a complete structural failure, as evidenced by the total separation as represented by a gaping gap that was pronounced enough that it was easily seen and filmed at ground level (from what looks to be approximately 50 feet away) with a clear shifting movement that can be clearly be seen when the coaster train traverses over this problem area of the track section.
Simply put. A track section of any amusement ride should never be holding up a dangling chunk of Support Pillar. Inversely so, adangling chunk of Support Pillar should NEVER holding up a track section.
3. However things got to this point with respect to the structural failure component of this event is yet to be determined.
The larger troubling question that looms in my mind, is the following:
I’m at a complete loss as to how this overt gaping separation split in a main support pillar (structural failure) was missed by every single Carowinds Employee and had to be reported to the park by a park guest Mr. Jeremy Wagner during an operational ride cycle.
Mr. Warner if you are reading this, your actions were nothing short of heroic, your actions most likely saved many lives and brought the needed attention to this issue. Thank you!
My Two Cents for everyone to ponder:
The more pertinent concern I have is simply this.Since this incident with the Fury came to the attention of the world, Carowinds has publicly stated repeatedly that
“Safety is our top priority” and “All of our rides undergo daily inspections”
(Carowinds has never defined what these “Daily Inspections” consist of)
These general public statements by Carowinds clearly contradict the events as they played out and how things are currently playing out by the complete lack of transparency on Carowinds part.
ABSOLUTELY NO MEDIA INTERVIEWS BY PARK OFFICIALS !!!!
ABSOLUTELY NOBODY IS AVAILABLE TO SPEAK WITH ANYONE OVER THE PHONE !!!
All questions must be submitted through the “Contract Us” link on their website.
(The “Don’t call us - We’ll call you” rule is clearly in effect)
If an overt gaping split was missed in a flagship attraction, by the entire Carowinds staff after “Daily Inspections”, during an operational ride cycle in broad daylight, what else did they might have missed that has yet to surface?
I was elated to learn that this did not result in anyone getting injured. This had every chance of ending in a catastrophic loss of life, which thank heaven, was not the case.
Carowinds got very lucky here and should be as thankful as can they can be for this.
If Carowinds places the high premium on safety as it publicly states it does Carowinds has an immediate obligation to make a full transparent public accounting of how this happened and more importantly how this was missed after “Daily Inspections” if everything is as above board as they say it is, why not provide the concered public with this full accounting of specifics.
Carovinds intentional use of vague language of what “Daily Inspections” consist of and Referring the concerned public to an email link to address specific safety concerns is insulting, tone deaf, indifferent as can be.
In a phone call placed to Carowinds today 04/02/23 seeking answers to these specific questions concerns resulted in a repeat of the exact same vague public statement already published.
They declined any further comment.
To the Management Carowinds, you should truly be embarrassed and hold your heads in absolute shame. Your complacent attitude towards the safety of your park guests and subsequent indifference in providing the public with the much needed information and reassurance Post incident is shockingly reprehensible. This is your well deserved Public Relations fiasco. A Frankenstein of your own making.
Respectfully submitted
It's a stress fracture....
Like put duct tape on it duct tape fixes everything