Ben Shapiro on Gay Marriage, Gun Control, and Piers Morgan
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- Опубліковано 17 лют 2016
- Ben Shapiro (Editor-in-Chief, The Daily Wire) joins Dave Rubin to discuss his views on gay marriage, gun control, and his debate with Piers Morgan on CNN. Watch the full interview about conservatism vs leftism, free speech, gay marriage, and more: bit.ly/1SWwvwL ***Subscribe: ua-cam.com/users/subscription_c...
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It doesn't matter what you agree with, this is what a civilized political talk/debate should look like.
No, this is called an interview
This is a very respectable source of knowledge and his opinion, does matter. Our, nah not so much.
Generally true, but when dealing with people as smiley and repugnant as Ben Shapiro, being civilised is a difficult thing.
@@jaydeeoldboy9903 Its about just having a debate. No emotions have to be tied to making sound policy decisions.
@@jaydeeoldboy9903 better than crowder like a calm debate/interview should just be two people calmly talking about what they believe in no shouting no yelling no making fun of people because they believe in something just pure logic like the making fun of people thing annoys me because what it usually does it makes the side doing it feel like no fuck you I dont have to be civilized with you because you a liberal goddamn I hate identity politics
This is THE MOST civilized and rational political conversations that I’ve ever seen between two men with different views
RZheng 02 yeah they don’t shout over each other like most people and just listen
yeah i was surprised. usually people who are pro gay marriage get triggered when people don't agree with them and call the homophobic and do a bunch of crap but they both respected each others believes and decisions which was great
I wish more people were like this
That's kind of sad about half my friends are some variation of left and half the opposite and I would say a good quarter of our conversation are of a political nature and go about some what similar to this
RZheng 02 This conversation was weirdly nice to listen to.
I love how uncomfortable Ben got for a quick moment while he imagined himself smoking a bong.
Bong Shapiro
😆
Would do him so good though. He is so uptight.
That is because he is an ultra Orthodox Jew who can't do drugs.
@@gandolfthewhite and he has sex through sheets with his unattractive doctor wife.
Americans are so shocked about how civil these guys are with each other. That's literally what normal people do...
Yeah, and not keep yealing: ThAtS hAtE sPeEcH
I’m American and I find it normal
More relieving/relaxing than shocked
So I wasn't the crazy one for not freaking out when a girl pulled off my Trump hat and started screaming at me
@@damianlozano4562 I would have been the crazy bitch who knocked her teeth out for touching my hat. Trust and believe she would have regretted doing that lol TRUMP 2020
The fact that Dave Rubin is gay did not come up once during the entire conversation on gay marriage. What an incredibly unbiased host! Hats off to Dave! Very impressive.
Unfortunately it came up when Shapiro said he wouldnt attend neither his wedding nor his anniversary. lmfao.
Mac Stark major props to him.
Ben said at JRE that he is a very good friend of Dave but he didn’t go to his marriage haha. Ben is consistent guy.
He isn’t unbiased. He just has no balls to challenge any argument he doesn’t agree with.
@@sunhead2573 You don't always have to challenge something you don't agree with. If you agree against factual evidence, for instance, why would you challenge anyone who took the time to collect said evidence without collecting evidence to and for your own stance first? It's literally like saying someone has no balls when it comes to fighting a bull. Anyone can, but it would be stupid to do so if you aren't prepared for it.
Dave Rubin is a gay man, I’ve never seen a gay liberal man so respectful and understanding towards the conservative view. What a beautiful person. And congrats to both men for such a good convo.
Claude Armstrong it’s not true wats wrong with you people it’s really y’all why we can’t love each other that’s why we never get know where that’s why the world not moving cause it all about being wats wrong in wats right when they right thing to do is love in keep it moving
Eli M. Ikr this is what every debate/conversation should be like.
@@adreoniasmallwood9555 AMEN BROTHER THAT IS WHAT IM SAYING
He’s just absorbing how stupid Shapiro is by calmly talking to him.
Veronique Ashlynn I’m bisexual and agree with many republican views. This is just an amazing conversation between two individuals who by today’s norm are not supposed to get along.
Ben Shapiro's incredibly interesting, and I really do hope that he'll also pursue a career in rapping.
He can play the violin for his soundtracks too 😂 man has talent
I honestly was not expecting that
🤣😊this made my day! :-)
@@RainyDay6913 I'm glad it did :)
Lol he says rap isn't music xD
This is how debates should he conducted.
@Travis Fitch I am too. Also, I have 69 likes N I C E
Which of y'all mfs liked my comment and sent it to 70?! My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
Yep, very good stuff.
tell that to piers morgan
@Travis Fitch Travis, if you are on the debate team, surely you can point out at least three serious errors in reasoning made by Shapiro. They were killers and should have been taken care of by Rubin.
Daddy can we read a book
Ben: OK honey let’s go
30 seconds later...what other book would you like to read?
Ben: (reads the Bible)
Underrated comment. I dunno why there isn’t at least 500 likes on this
i’m genuinely dead lmfaoo
Cunning Fox At least! 😊
Cunning Fox there are now
This a rare sight today. Two people with opposing views having a logical and respectable opinion about the subject with not one name calling the other. MSM would loose their minds, how could they write a story with no bigot!
BomAssDankAss Shapiro is a homophobic transphobic bigot
curioussebastian that goes more for you
I totally agree with you, but the fact that no one punched Ben in the face in this video gave me some serious anxiety
curioussebastian you're a bigot for saying he is bigoted and not understanding his logic.
MnamesPAUL ahh so you want someone to punch him in his face for expressing a different view? Sounds awfully bigoted to me - very fascist to threaten someone with violence if they do not agree with your views. Similar to
What a dictator would do yes?
He is the only husband that can win an argument with his wife.
Saylor Twift he’d be too scared, the couch is not a good place..
@@solarflare4345 ben shapiro isnt NOT afraid of sleeping on a couch.
@@ilsahanson2150 really? Everyone is scared of the couch. Not for what it means, but for what it represents. The fucking couch man, shit's scary
@@solarflare4345 huh? plz explain
69th like
I'm a gay guy and my opinions on gay marriage are somewhat like Ben's.
Should it be legalized so that gay people can have the same legal rights as straight people as far as marriage is concerned? Yes.
Should governments force religious institutions to conduct them despite it being against their beliefs? No.
I mean you wouldn't conduct a Hindu wedding in a church and Christian wedding in a temple because both belief systems are very different and do not coincide.
And should gays be alloud to have children? YES because there is NO evidence of gays being worse at bringing up children
Bro we're hindu (I assume you're hindu cuz of ur pfp) and why would we care about what Christian views are on LGBTQ lmaooo 😭 I mean c'mon! It's very valid in Hinduism so yeahh!! Let Christians handle their ideologies lol
@@melodiouszzz13 is Hinduism pro homosexuality?
@@teddysyurifantasy3812 nope actually it was accepted in ancient time but after islam and britishers people have homo phobic and last week i got to know lgbt people disrespecting hinduism so i dont know. on serious tone lgbt are good or bad i dont know but i am just lucky i am not one
@@ace7765 5000 years ago the original Old Testament of the Hebrews said homosexuality is an abomination punishable by death. This is the Old Testament found in your New Testament bible. It was written in Hebrew which is still spoken today in Israel only with new words to bring it up to modern era.
Wow. Disagreement without yelling and name calling.
It's not only completely unnecessary it makes it impossible to change anyone's mind. I'm happy to change my mind but not if somebody's yelling at me.
Yeah most lefts cant do that
Fuuuuck You!
Just joking! : )
That's partly because there isn't much disagreement, they can find common ground easily.
that is the good thing about Rubin at least, he is a liberal, not a leftist (and I believe there is a difference)
Wow.... this is the first time i saw two people with opposing belief that's having a very rational debate.
This is how politics should be
Beavause they both want to suck each other’s cock.
@@symba-uo3os false
It happens between rational people. The ability to disagree in a civil manner seems to be lost on a lot of people.
Education is key!
I’m gay. Married a man. I could listen to Ben Shapiro all day long. Would happily buy him a drink and have a chat if the opportunity ever arose.
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He don't believe In ya
One would assume that you don't support Transgenders do you
Shawn Wick One would assume incorrectly.
@@Nienpet So, how do you feel about Ben's opinions on Transgenders
Shawn Wick He’s entitled to his opinions.
Aw he said it beautifully... I’m catholic and This is exactly how I feel about this. I would never condemn other people for their life choices just leave my choices my beliefs alone.
You don't get to have an 'opinion' or 'belief' on other people's rights. You are allowed to believe that iOS is better than Android. You're allowed to believe that coffee is better than tea. But if (hypothetical case) you say something like "It's my belief that black kids shouldn't study with white kids" then you're being racist and you will be called out on that. Similarly, if you have believe that "Same sex couples shouldn't be allowed to marry like straight couples can", you're being anti-LGBTQIA+, and you'll be called out on that and you'd better accept your mistake (because making a mistake is fine, not accepting/learning from it, isn't). You don't get to have an 'opinion' or 'belief' about another human being's rights.
@ReM Hey there, grasshopper. Fortunately, I don't have to bear your shit because I am not gay. Here's the thing: Does there religion REALLY oppose gay marriage? That is a debate. There are great arguments on both sides.
Secondly, when I said that you shouldn't have opinions on human rights, what I meant is that your opinions create LAWS. The reason that slavery existed was because A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE were of the OPINION that black people are sub-par and can only serve. Jesus didn't say it. Allah didn't say it. None of the other religions' gods said it. Human beings with opinions resulted in that law.
Now you might not care about it, and that's fair. Because it doesn't affect your life. But imagine a bit less open-minded version of you. Now imagine that person running a country. In this case, the "opinion" that you otherwise genuinely had the right to, might end up curbing the freedom of somebody else. Or, it may propagate false news (gay people are not religious) or debatable statements (religion is against same sex marriage).
You are allowed to have an opinion which opposses mine. It is just that when it comes to human rights, people should have opinions moew carefully, and certain opinions need to be called out. We need to specify in those cases that some opinions are "more correct" than the others. Why? Because otherwise that opinion will make laws which will take away fundamental rights.
In fact, since we flaunt our fundamental rights gladly, we forget that RIGHTS come with fundamental DUTIES. The duty you have for your fundamental right to speak, is that your speech shouldn't take away somebody's freedom to live, freedom of speech, shouldn't propagate hatred or false information.
@ReM All in all, yes you are free to have ANY opinion. But don't be surprised if people call you out on your opinion, because they know that when an opinion, right or wrong, is shared by enough number of people, it becomes a law.
Sure, somebody having an opinion that the LGBTQIA+ community shouldn't marry is okay. But a LAW stating that the community must not marry, is terrible. That needs to be prevented, by any means, because freedom to live and love are more fundamental than the freedom of religion. (especially because most religions preach tolerance, love and peace. Using religion as a weapon or standing behind religion as your shield therefore, essentially, makes zero sense.)
@ReM "And at some point you'll have to come to grips with the fact that no matter what kind of "calling out" you do, you'll still be at an impass."
Impasse you mean? Yes. Yes I am aware of that. But this argument makes zero sense.
There will always be criminals, no matter what. Should we then stop catching and punishing them? Of course not! Similarly just because people will always disagree with each other doesn't mean you stop calling them out when the issue comes to a human right!
"Dude I'm a devout non-believer and I'm tired of hearing religious people getting questioned about what they believe in. Think you're going to change their vote if they're that into their faith? No. Do you think you have a right to? Especially no. Kick, piss, moan and cry all you want, you will not change EVERYONE'S mind."
OH MY GOD... Are Americans even capable of seeing outside there own teeny tiny problems? I don't care who you vote for, dude! I'm not an American OR gay (wow. You made two assumptions about me, and you got them both wrong. XD Why did you try and assume, in the first place?) Also, I never said that you're a believer. All you did was skim through my replies to get a gist (which is fine. We all have a life outside YT Comment section), ASSUMED my 'secret reason and mission' behind posting something like that (he's probably gay because no straight person in their right mind would say that. He's probably an American and wants people to sway to his choice of candidate because obviously, all humans are.) and then you're afraid that I'll assume you're religious and hence you try to secure yourself in this debate by removing that from the equation.
[insert slow claps]
Here, kid:-
1) SAME SEX MARRIAGE IS A HUMAN ISSUE.
2) THE ORIGINAL COMMENT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT AMERICA.
3) THERE ARE SEVERAL COUNTRIES WHERE SAME SEX MARRIAGE IS ILLEGAL.
4) OPINIONS LIKE THESE RESULT IN SAME SEX MARRIAGE BEING FROWNED UPON.
5) HENCE WHEN I SPEAK ABOUT THIS ISSUE, I AM TALKING ABOUT HUMANS AS A WHOLE, IRRESPECTIVE OF CLASS, RACE, RELIGION AND NATIONALITY.
I don't give a flying fuck about who becomes the President of the United States of America. Thanks to the politicians themselves and media on both sides of American politics, it has become a joke. (one old white guy, or the other old orange guy. Oh what a jolly mystery!)
I hope the capslock helped btw, and I also hope you can make the connection between the points.
"The fact that you could read that and feel the need to "call out" some error you see in the statement is exactly why there is a big upset going on."
...Didn't you feel the need to call me out too? Isn't it why we are having this argument in the first place? If it genuinely is a live and let live environment, then, I didn't reply to YOUR comment, I had all the rights (freedom of speech, isn't it?) to say whatever the fuck I wanted to say, but you felt the need to tell me exactly why I am wrong. XD How on earth are we that different? What are you even calling me out on? I called the OP out because their views opposed mine and because their views also result in oppression (even if the OP doesn't condone it. I repeat, EVEN IF THE OP DOESN'T CONDONE IT.). You basically called me ou...because you don't like that I called somebody else out. Dafuq?!? 🤣🤣🤣
"Same sex marriage is legal"
I swear if your vision was any narrower than it is now, you'd be blind.
"Yes, several religions oppose gay marriage."
I'll use capslock again because clearly your vision is impaired...
WHETHER RELIGIONS OPPOSE GAY MARRIAGE OR NOT, IS A DEBATABLE ISSUE WITH GREAT ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE DEBATE.
"Especially these days where "you're either with us or you're a bigot". "
Damn. I can't with this guy. Dude, I told you exactly why it is ALRIGHT to have the opinion itself, but the opinion creates problems that the person having the opinion isn't even AWARE he is causing.
"Your entire argument is thought policing and should be dismissed without any consideration. "
...I'm sorry, but which invisible judge are you appealing to? XD Dismiss it without considering if you want to. Nobody has stopped you. 🤣🤣
@ReM Damn, the all caps didn't help at all, did they, mate? You clearly weren't able to see that I dissected each of your arguments and spent just one measly sentence simply wondering if you meant the same word that I thought you meant.
"Not about you being gay or not"
Why eh? You've spent 95% of your argument basically talking about being American and stuff, why ignore the fact that you had no fucking idea that somebody who ISN'T gay, could also say something like this! Must've been quite the revelation for you to find empathetic and moral human beings, am I right?
"I had assumed that you being on this UA-cam video involving an American politcal commentator talking about American politics and issues going on in America, while you're doing that American thing where you swing your rights around at the expense of others rights, during a time in America where the LGBTQ+ community in America has been fired up over the new American Supreme Court Justice being sworn in, that you may have been... I don't know.. American? So for that i do apologise."
I replied to a comment which had nothing to do with America. It had to do with the non-heterosexual community, religious beliefs and opinions. I did NOT reply to Ben Shapiro. Again, vision, friend. Check it. Apology accepted though.
"I do have to ask, what would you like the original post and myself to do from here in America?"
OH NO. Oh no no no no... the last time you wanted to help anybody other than yourself you basically blew up entire cities and killed/mangled generations to come. Nah. Enough help from your side.
However, where on Earth do you get the idea that literally ANYBODY here is asking for your help, kid? I replied based on my own opinions, to a comment which had opinions (and praised a video which highlighted Ben Shapiro's opinions). When the FUCK did I ask for your help? Do you guys really think that whenever people say ANYTHING under a video discussing America in the slightest, they do so to ask help from you people?
"like Americans can, or are supposed to do anything about it."
Again, no help asked! Damn, do all Americans have a head as big as yours? Literally WHERE did I indicate that the great AMERICA had to come to rescue? XDXD Where even are you pulling out these arguments from, seriously? XD
" but American's votes don't count wherever you live."
I know, and I couldn't care less baby! (also, thank God that they don't...)
"Gay rights over here are going pretty well. They can get married, the overwhelming portion of the population are either in favor of them (like myself) or neutral on them (the original post). Some may experience assaults from shallow minded people but here those are considered hate crimes and we attempt to catch and prosecute the people that assault them. They aren't being legally thrown off buildings just for being gay here"
Yeah yeah. Totally. Except apparently you guys ended racism with the Civil War and the Emancipation Proclamation, YET the entire world saw what your cops are up to XDXDXD
"The biggest issues now involve finding religious owned bakeries and sand blasting them on social media for practicing their own right to religious belief instead of just finding a different bakery."
Oh yes. That's a huge problem. Sign a petition to get a UN grant to resolve this grave issue.
"No they aren't."
Aaaaand this kid has never heard of the hierarcy of rights. Alright, peace!
This was the most satisfying conversation between two people with different political beliefs because it was more than just nonsensical arguing
Frynwik 7 I couldn't agree more. This was probably one of the best conversations I've heard in a long time.
Shapiro wasn't making a lot of sense with his gay marriage stuff. He's against it for the following reasons:
- government shouldn't be involved in this legal contract (stupid)
- only couples who can have kids should get married (but straight people who cant or dont plan to should have the option as well)
- gay people shouldn't have the option to get married because LATER hypothetically a new proposal could be introduced to force religious institutions to gay marry people
If that doesn't convince you that Shapiro is a dishonest hack, i dont know what will.
I can completely agree with you. The US needs more of reasonable and calm discussions rather than just fighting
I think you missed what he was actually saying @ssuuppeerrbbooyy. He was stating:
1) He was against the government being legally involved with all marriages (licensing and permits). A marriage ceremony whether religious, secular, or gay is not a legal contract. The action of combining of your property to your partner's property in the legal contract aspect of marriage has nothing to do with the government and arguably could be done in any law office.
2) The point about couples and kids was that a government should be concerned with the growth of it's population. The population needs to be growing to sustain the nation. Marriage should be encourages for multiple reasons. Married families are better for the kids and better for society. Anyone not capable or not interested in procreation needs no interest in marriage because the fundamental purpose of mate pairing is to procreate. If the govt uses incentives to encourage marriage and population growth so what? That's in society's best interest. If it levels off or declines you have serious long term problems like those in Japan and Europe.
3) If the govt mandates gay marriage, what is to stop them from overriding an individual's 1st amendment rights to not support or condone those actions on religious grounds. The Bill of Rights specifically prohibits this. If the mandate their morality today on this issue, what stops them from mandating right over your morality tomorrow?
+ssuuppeerrbbooyy He didn't say gay people shouldn't have the option to get married (even though he is against it). He said the Government shouldn't be involved in marriage at all as it will be used to force religious institutions to marry gay people. The only argument for the Government involvement in marriage is that they care about the next generation, which isn't achieved through gay marriage. But he doesn't agree with that argument either.
He is against gay marriage because of his religious beliefs that being gay is a sin. But he said people are free to commit those sins as much as they like.
He doesn't care if gay people actually go and get married, just like gay people shouldn't care if a bakery doesn't want to cater to them. But he doesn't want the government to have any role in it, and he wouldn't support it at his own synagogue.
His entire argument is 'go do what you want, I'll do what I want. The Government shouldn't play a part in pushing either agenda on the other. I'll support what I want, you support what you want.'
First political interview I watch that doesn’t involve people screaming at each other or cutting each other off. Much respect to both of them
Ben had a debate with a Christian(who's name I forget) and it was very civil. If you can have a civil conversation about politics, and even more so, religion, then you have become an adult.
KucklePuff Jordan B Peterson that is the name of the Christian.
Danke.
I find civilized debates without yelling or cutting off much more entertaining and satisfying
Not cutting each other off, really? I like Ben, I really do, but he's always cutting people off. He also talks very quickly and incessantly making it difficult to get a word in.
And that's fine, I'm the same way, but let's not pretend he's not cutting people off. He may do so affably and respectfully, with a smile on his face, and without raising his voice, but he still does it.
I also happen to think he's woefully wrong on these particular issues.
Why do I always get caught up watching these things? I find this so interesting.
Same
You kinda just answered your own question
Ben sounds like his voice is sped up a bit.
Yes he speaks very fast because he has a brain that's NOT ON POT
@@Samtzuriel Yeah, no, that's not what I meant. Pitch, tempo and speed are all different. Speed changes both pitch and speed so I was referring to both the speed and pitch of his voice, like it was sped up a bit (chipmunk effect) -- not just fast talking.
@@SWLinPHX no, he just speaks ridiculously fast
@@Thomas_of_the_forest ...and I'm saying his voice sounds sped up (speed = both tempo AND pitch). I know that is how he talks and am not saying I actually think they sped up his voice, LOL.
@@Samtzuriel It's not on pot it's on COCAINE.
Lol Ben finds people who smoke weed incredibly irritating, I bet it’s because they talk slower.
Lol
😂😎👌
That and the fact that they forget what they are talking about half way through their sentence.
Or Sharpio going on forever on a topic and as he finishes answering the question, the stoner looks at Sharpio and just says "WHAT?" 😂
Probably😂
Legend has it Ben Shapiro was once taken to hospital after experiencing something unusual. He was released soon after when doctors informed him he had just breathed.
If you listen hard enough, you can hear a quick breath at 13:05 (I think)
Feedersuper the man is like a machine on steroids.
*taken a breath*
*If I talk as fast as fucking possible I will seem smart and confuse the person I'm debating, even though my arguments have no basis.*
Darren Youngal Shapiro is probably more educated than you and me in politics
“Every belief system is based on something unproven” Ben Shapiro. Amazing quote!
Why do people drink up everything he says? Stop being so weak and think for yourselves. Of course, he is going to say that. Here is a guy whose whole self-worth and identity is based on being a super-rational intelligent conservative male.... but he believes in God. He is no different to the Muslims he claims are inferior to him. He believes in fairy tales and doesn't want some people to have the same rights as him. He has to say that because the cognitive dissonance will eat him up.
@@newleft2254 LOL. nice try.
@@newleft2254 what type of cognitive lefty dihorrea have you been putting into a blunt and smoking my friend
@Camel Face Erm, you do know the definition of a belief right? Just incase you couldn't figure it out..... by definiton it's without proof. With proof means it's a fact. Gosh my brain hurts 😞
@@darko6115 Let me guess, you believe in fairy tales too? Yawn.
And Ben's absolutely correct in what he said. "People who smoke pot are more prone to commiting crime and tend to have bad attitudes". Society has been covering up the true facts of the trouble pot smokers cause.
There is absolutely no data that backs up your claims above. Now if you want to talk about the deadly consequences of our Alcoholic society , we can have a debate. It is unfair to categorize people based on their choices. It is much more important to look at the consequences of their choices.
Holy shit did Ben Shapiro just have an intellectual debate without someone getting triggered?
Glad to see that there are sensible atheists out there. I am honest when I say that it's really hard finding one that doesn't force their views on me by saying, "religion should be erradicated forever."
Ben answers all the wrong questions:ua-cam.com/video/Xtd4tds-I0U/v-deo.html
@@ea-tr1jh I'm an atheist, I'm also conservative. That being said, I don't want to push my views on someone else, just like I don't want them to push their views on me. Leave me alone, and I'll leave you alone. (not literally you; speaking hypothetically)
Y E S
@@drakedbz I fucking agree !
This is how grown ups talk to each other
How they *should* talk to each other. Unfortunately not all adults talk like civilized beings
not the cool kid mostly purple haired leftists
When the cameras are running... could be a dating show.
Government IS part of marriage. It must be. it must be because marriage is a contract. If government was NOT part of marriage, what happens when people want to get divorced? Who gets the house? Who gets the alimony? Who gets the kids and who gets to pay the other person child support? If government is not part of marriage then why can't a person marry their own child and thrive in incest? That is sick and disgusting but it is government that stipulates that brothers and sisters can't marry and criminalized it. If government got out of marriage altogether then incestual marriage could occur and I would argue that it should NEVER occur. If government gets out of marriage altogether who prevents someone from having multiple spouses? No one. is this good or bad for society? If plural marriage is bad (and it is) how do you prevent it from happening without criminalizing it?
Government is in marriage. Ben refusing to dignify these things but we don't have a civilization without government stipulating what is a legal marriage and what ISN'T.
no, this is how someone on cocaine talks to a host
5 years later and its unbelievably irritating how accurate Bens projections were 😫
I appreciate someone who doesn’t solely use a religious argument against gay marriage
you appreciate someone who is against gay marriage ??? homophobe much??
Yeah I'm against GAY marriage
You completely missed the point. He DID use a religious argument, he just said that he doesn't believe in enforcing at a government level
@Ken Cheek Not sure if he was saying that, but my point was that he is using religious sentiment against homosexuality, so OP's statement is incorrect
Steve Boros idk bro hating gay marriage is a lil gay
I have so much respect for this guy for letting Ben talk his point of view even though he disagrees, why can't all the media be like this?
arnazian Because bigots should be condemned
arnazian media likes drama, that's why they hate Ben Shapiro haha
arnazian because the media is an utter joke.
Everyone is so driven by emotion. Once we hear something we don't like, we start hearing things that arn't even said. And the whole debate falls apart.
I think I have an answer: because Rubin doesn't have an agenda to push. Therefore, he is capable of listening rationally to someone without feeling like he has to discredit, shame, silence, or obfuscate that person. Or we could just say that it's because Rubin is mature, and leave it at that.
I like the fact that this is an actual debate rather than people yelling at Shapiro.
EXACTLY!
Although, a debate usually has the other person responding with a counter-argument. Which isn't what's happening here, and isn't and has never been Dave Rubin's style. He allows his guests to say whatever they want and when he disagrees he just smiles,laughs,or replies "that's interesting", but doesn't actually respond with substantive fact based response.
A debate response would be more like: Big difference between possible and realistic. Is it possible for a gay person to never ever have sex with another gay person? Yes. Is it realistic? No. You think they're just going to masturbate alone in their room with only their gay thoughts the rest of their lives?
Laws that protect minority groups may not be that important when it's a cake, but will be when it's a bottle of water or life saving medication in an emergency, or a car when the person lives miles from the nearest hospital. Who's going to decide the different laws for different businesses,whether their product or service is essential for minorities,and how will they decide that? Best to have a single law preventing denial of service based on immutable characteristics.
The idea that government is going to come to your house and force you to attend a gay wedding is just laughibly ridiculous. That's a social and religious choice that isn't potentially life threatening. The amount of people at your wedding is dependent on your popularity, family and friends circle size, who's available, who's not, and your budget. Not how many people the government could force into the building. Gay people have no problems making friends and getting them to their wedding. And they wouldn't want anti- gay people at their wedding anyway.
@@liberallarry847 was ben talking about being forced to attend a gay wedding or officiate one?
This is so weird. I'm finding so much common ground with the conservatives lately, I think they're way smarter than racial war fueling, sjw democrats but then they go ahead talk about gay marriage or abortion and I can't believe they're the same smart people I was admiring moments ago. The only point of marriage is not procreation, it's a binding contract that has consequences with or without children. And gay parents can absolutely have and raise well adjusted children. I wish the conservatives would relax a bit about these issues so more disillusioned people from the left could join them.
I wish there was more depth there as well, it's a very conflicting topic.
legit im not religious, im what ppl call “leftist”, but i agree with him. legit just don’t force your beliefs on other people and we’ll all be happy :”)))
This 👏🏻 comment 👏🏻
I'm more of a centrist than left or right. My view on all marriage including gay is that the government should not be involved at all. You should be able to marry who ever u want along as they're a consenting adult.
bro same
Ben hasn't aged in 4 years..great conversation. Both really good guys
Does his wife ever win arguments 😂
If She does, the conversation probably is done in the speed of Light, because Ben Shapiro Speaks quite fast....
@@lfskyden It is probably pretty simple, all she needs to say is "Do you like sleeping in that bed next to me? Would you like that to continue?". Argument done... mic drop.
Well women are always right... Right?
Jordan Botes well you not a woman so I can say no
All she has to do is cry, idc if you’re Jesus. You’re gonna break
My word. An actual debate that Did not devolve into threats, screaming or hate spewing. Big time respect for both of these gentlemen. Great debate.
Ben Shapiro is the best damn thing to happen to conservative politics, the right wing, the GOP, since Ronald Reagan.
kind of sad that its rare in today world thus kind of dialogue should be common sense
I know right? They both were both very civil and kept facts as a primary reasoning for their different viewpoints, making this really interesting to hear
Yeah, Ben Shapiro was repulsed by Rubin's Homosexuality and Dave just took it like a real wetwipe.
@@StephenKershaw1 hey dumbass, Regan wasnt a criminalized president who was pardoned... That was Nixon because of Watergate... Also with your second point, Shapiro debated on live television numerous times so nice try saying his debates are all scripted and edited.
I’m bi and completely understand Shapiro’s view. He’s not against being gay. People need to understand that.
He literally said that he is against homosexuality though.
@God yes but for religious reasons which I respect. The Jewish religion does not like the act of gay sex. And fair enough because in the eyes of most religions sex is seen as a way make children.
@@KoolMonkE I don't particularly think gay marriage should be in religious places because religious people generally don't like it. That is just annoying for them. When they want to go and pray it's stopped because a wedding that isn't sacred to them is going on.
@@barry1369 yes I agree with the part that churches and all should not be forced to do gay marriages, but you said that he is not against gays, which is false.
Harry GW Forbidding gay people from having sex is okay if it’s in the name of religion? That’s a pretty ridiculous argument.
11:32
Why is no one appreciating Ben's Lord of the Rings analogy
To debate Ben you better bring your A game. He doesn't fuck around.
anyone who goes against him are literally fucked
+D0ublezer0x no because aids
He's not even Christian.
+Noah Sq He's Jewish.
That's why they constantly interrupt him in debates and why he has even been threatened back in the day.
I'm gay, I obviously support Same-sex marriage, but I don't think religious people should have to perform them. Allow the courts to grant the marriage license. I don't think a church should have to host a same sex marriage if they don't want to.
I truly respect you for this comment.
jjray please stop now or youll know the consequences after you die
Being gay myself marriage I don't care about as a religious thing to me it is about the way that it affects your legal position ultimately I would love nothing more than for the government to stay out of Maude and for it to go back to being religious instead of being about the options it gives you
RedSnowman9 That's funny! Can you see both sides? When I hear statements like yours, it sounds like you're really saying, The LGBT should be tolerant of Christian's Intolerance. It makes no sense. Are you for gay marriage?
I'm straight, and agree with all of this :)
I appreciate that 2 different sides can have a cival disagreement
Great conversation, guys. Really enjoyed it.
He made such a strong point when he said the government shouldn’t teach us values...
Agreed. The "government" leviathan should never be involved in morality/virtue signaling no matter what facet of humanity is in question. The only "governments" that forced a tyrannical secular condemnation of those of moral conviction and Faith were those tyrants...stalin, zedong, hitler, pot and obama. As far as those of same-sex proclivity, it is their individual free choice and right especially as American Citizens. I personally view same-sex situations as the perversity of nature of which I also have the right to believe this way as long as I hurt no one nor steal from no one.
Alex Ramirez: The Government "Teach Us Values", What Values??--They Have Absolutely NO Values...
@@joeyjay1662 the government is just legislation. And legislation DOES teach us values, in fact forces us to uphold them as well in some cases. The most basic ones pertaining to our "unalienable rights" for instance, and then the ridiculous ones like "hate speech".
Yeah, just look at Pocahontas. She identified as a Native American, & got a free scholarship at Harvard based on "being a woman of color." She's blond haired, & blue eyed, whiter than Snow-gaw'damn-White!
Pocahontas is a member of government. She has HORRIBLE values. She is not a good role model, at all!
Whose values?
This debate was beautiful. No yelling, insults, or anything. Sound just like two friends talking about where they disagree on something, but don’t plan on ruining that friendship
@@mr.lalnon5455 please tell me this is satire
@@offdazaza2769 I'm saying this isn't a good thing. So I guess my reply was satire, yes.
@@mr.lalnon5455 two people disagreeing in a good way isn't a bad thing.
@Adrian Cruz It is if you're a sheep. Calm discussions and disagreements are an ancient practice these creatures have not seen in some time, so for sheep, it is very frightening.
@@offdazaza2769 I'm not saying that. I'm saying that these "two people disagreeing in a good way" is actually one person spouting falsehoods while the other nods in agreement. Also, this isn't a conversation between two friends. This is a public discussion.
"You can't legislate human nature. That's why we have the 1st Amendment. If they try to legislate human nature...that's why we have the 2nd Amendment." I heard that somewhere...I'd add the attribution if I could remember.
One of the few true debate and discussion I have ever heard. Truly beautiful. It is sad when politicians, who are supposed to be great with speaking, can’t do this.
The guy who eminem is most afraid to do a rap battle with.
Shapiro would debate him on why rap is not music.
on me nigga
@@soosverbot2626 💀
hahaha
@@soosverbot2626 and he would win
"The beauty of America is that you don't have to give a crap what I think" is the attitude that a lot more people in America should have.
I agree with Shapiro's philosophy massively
I don't care what anyone thinks, I don't want people to care what I think
I heard him say that as soon as I pulled up on your comment! What a coinsidence
That's what I like about Shapiro. He's all about people minding their own business. His lifestyle is boring and revoltingly puritanical to me, and I'm sure he would feel the same way about mine. All he says is that nobody gives a damn about anyone else, provided you're not bothering anyone else with it.
@@Duval-In-The-Wall Unless you want other people to think you are innocent of a crime someone falsely accuses you of.
David Crandall
Honestly, fuck that. False accusations enrage me, those people get FUCKED
Dave, You are the most gracious and thoughtful guy. Thank you for your beautiful spirit.
His last point on the Supreme Court made me reevaluate my perspective, wow
imagine ben shapiros wife trying to argue with him...lol
Some say that pussy’s undefeated. If she knows what she’s doing, she would have no problem making him see things her way.
I heard she's a doctor
oof
She's a DOCTOR!
@@shadowzep shes secretly the brains behind ben 😳 lol
At least this talk show host kept his shit together, he made this an actual talk show even though he disagreed
Yeah, Dave Rubin is a good example of a liberal who listens to both sides and has a reasonable conversation with them.
Austin Smith Dave is not a liberal
@@caseylikessoup yes he is. He said it himself he's just what you would call a classical liberal. A lot of people don't realize that he's for abortion and he's against the death penalty. the reason he seems like a conservative in modern terms is because classical liberals believe in things like patriotism, capitalism, and the second amendment.
@@caseylikessoup like I said he's a classical liberal, they have much different views than what you expect a liberal to be nowadays.
Casey Dugan he literally said himself that he is a liberal in this video. Just because he’s not a woke socialist doesn’t mean he’s not liberal
15:09 „i don’t like tears. just stop. give me a policy“
It’s nice to see how Dave has evolved since this interview.
Playback speed .75x you can hear Ben at normal speed.
Professor Bearington I had to study 6 years at Harvard Law to understand .75x
Yo it actually sounds normal lol
Oddly I can understand well actually !!
I speak like that myself lol...
I don't believe in gun control because criminals will always have guns when we don't. as a white minority in South Africa i fear for my life everyday racism is real and blacks are racist and hate whites without understanding history. We were all oppressed and slaves at some point. They also killed kids and woman when whites were living in areas they couldn't in mass because they did not have the science!
thanks you lol
I have so much respect for Dave Ruben for having such a respectful debate....this is true politics
Jafar Alzuraijawi at least, what politics should be.
Well it's not really a debate. It's more of a interview type of conversation where the interviewer says "I don't agree with this, but what do you have to say about it". A debate would consist of two sides and providing evidence to counter each case. But yes, with regarding how to have a conversation when two people don't agree about a specific topic, this is a better environment and mindset to be in.
Of course when you debate or even argue with feels not facts and emotions not intellect you will only lose and gain nothing from the experience except more irrational hated.
Soo true
I don't think Shapiro has ever truly listened to the opinions of others. There isn't any reason to respect that. He is smart but not usefully so.
When Ben talks my neurons are dancing. The good thing about him is he draws line between Law, policies, social fabric, beliefs and Feelings. He never loses focus.
By the way- I'm a liberal. And I have an appetite for "HARSH FACTS"
Good for you!
@@stank7200 Ben Shapiros an idiot lmao. "he talks fast so he must be smart!!"
Rubin's such a polite, respectful person.
A joy to listen to his interviews.
Best regards".
Now this is America. Where two opposite sided people can talk and have a friendly chat about politics.
As they could in most other first world coutries.
Turtle Tail not really, it's closer to a 60/40 split, england is more 50/50 and countries like Sweden and Germany you can say they are very liberal. hatespeach laws were more enforced by the EU, which is an enelected far left bureaucracy.
*unelected FTFY
Turtle Tail You dont know much about europe do you? 100% liberal, thats just funny.
If you think people in Europe don't have vastly different opinions as well and people are incapable of heated debates then I'm sorry that I have to disappoint you and disagree.
Gay marriage should be legal but like Ben said they have no right to force closes riches or groups that don't want it.
+Tom Johnson Marriage should be banned altogether. It's a ridiculous tradition. Polygamy is more natural and more satisfying.
+Sky Daddy, I agree with u. How can somebody tell u who and who you can't marry. Love is love period. It is 2016!!! People need to get over it!!!!
What Ben actually said is that the government should get out of the business of marriage altogether. They shouldn't recognize marriage as any sort of status that grants you benefits. Currently, there are a handful of benefits afforded to those who are married, which is why gays and lesbians lobbied so hard to achieve the same status. What we need to realize now is that marriage is ultimately a religious institution, and thus, has no business being recognized by the state in the first place. The benefits afforded to married couples should be re-appropriated under some other criteria that is not defined in the scope of religion, and could be attributed to anyone regardless of their sexual preference or other discriminatory factors.
And will you sing the same song when the federal government is forced to make legal multiple partner marriages, pedophila marriage, beastiality? At some point you have to see that there is a problem and a slippery slope and the at the end of that slope is a complete breakdown of society. And if you think it can't happen open a history book.
Peter McGuire The Thing is Pedophilia and Beastiality are Crimes. And Polygamy is highly looked down on. What you are saying is absalutley downright ridiculous.
That was an excellent example of mutual respect in debate and it’s deserving of the widest possible public hearing.
I loved it when he compared government to Golem from Lord of the Rings and his Precious ring of power. 😂
Sounded liike (unlimited) government was the ring and gollum (or sauron) the leftist
As a Christian I don't really care if a gay couple gets married, I just don't want them to force my church to participate in a gay wedding if we don't want to.
As a Christian I agree.
Live and let live, but never enforce ideologies others don’t agree with on them.
Edit: that is to say, don’t make others take actions they don’t agree with.
ObviouslyKaleb thank you
@@obviouslykaleb7998 the Bible actually teaches this too. The Bible talks about never judging or punishing others for their actions, but also convict them and stand your ground in your beliefs. If they agree with you or not, that's their right and you shouldn't be mad or judge them
hayden gammel
Exactly my point. Thank you for articulating that.
@@AntiATF Got the wrong bible bro.
Very refreshing to see people with different opinions reasonably debating.
@Batman Da Na Na Da Na! PREACH!
DRAIN THE SWAMP!
@@JINX-bw5ib ?
Yeah I really loved this interview. Shapiro was conversing with someone equally as level headed and logical.
Yea, and it was really nice to see a conversation in which both parties showed respect to the other, listening to their opinions and arguments and then providing their arguments. This is a rare sight nowadays... Today, you mostly see scenes where people that run out of arguments and facts are becoming violent... this is sad.
Ben's stance on gay marriage is all over the place.
Yup
No . He is differentiating between his personal moral and religious views. , and his beliefs about the role of Government .
This is how we progress as a society! By individuals of differing views openly conversing on subjects to reach agreeable solutions. I LOVE THIS!
I fully support gay marriage, but you can't make a church or mosque host one if they don't want to.
that's basically what Ben Shrapnel said...
is Ben a libtard??? news to me
Yes you can we'll create new laws forcing them too
Wouldn't involve a church or a mosque even if you paid me.
My stomach starts turning from disgust every time I go near one of them.
That's true. Because technically it would be ignoring their religious beliefs and property. If you want to be married in a church you just have find a church that will do it. Not force them. Ultimately, marriage is a government institution, you can just go to a court house. If you want a traditional wedding just find a priest or proctor.
No, marriage is not only a government contract it's also been a religious based ceremony since the 1200's due to Christianity's influence on the western world . That is the reason why there has been a clash of interest . It isn't right to force people to go against their religious customs and beliefs of marriage . So to protect that there are now government issued marriages and religious marriages but leftist gays are still fighting to force religious institutions to marry them against their will ...
I wonder if anybody realizes that these guys are from two totally different political spectrum and they can sit like human beings and have a discussion. Wow isn't that amazing. Whatever happened to this train of thought, that you could talk with people that have different political opinions than you do. you know?, because you're both might have some good ideas that can contribute to making the human race better.
Joshua Furness agree
Joshua Furness exactly! It's a liberal, gay atheist, speaking with a conservative Jew discussing policy instead of identity.
Tony Schaaf He's not a conservative Jew. He's orthodox. There's a big difference. Orthodox Jews are fundamentalists like evangelicals and all Muslims.
I think it's important to note the difference between "lower case 'c'" conservative Jew, which just means he's Jewish with conservative socio-political ideologies, which you can be both Orthodox and conservative at the same time, and "upper case 'c'" Conservative Jew, which is a branch of Judaism here, who as a sub-sect of people/beliefs may or may not have the tendency to be liberal.
Steve Routon Good point. You're right. There is a difference between "conservative Jew" and "Conservative Jew." I'd say that most often, Orthodox Jews are lower-case-c conservative, while Conservative Jews can be anything but probably tend towards centrist or a little left of center.
Balanced discussion from two opposing views...on some matters. Dave, I applaud you in your incredible open mindedness. You are a true inspiration to bias holders that need to let more light in one their views. The respectful debate is becoming a lost art. Thank you for how you conducted this interview.
Best interview ever! Love both of you. 💗
Finally a good debate one were they aren't yelling at Ben and throwing insults, their actually having a debate and talking and being civilized people
It's an interview, not a debate.
Civilized debate is refreshing, but when it comes to the democratic party being anti American, Socialist, Globalist, Elitist, fascists party of criminals there can be no debate. They don't even deny it anymore. They know that we know that they are corrupt, criminal and anti American and some of them have signed documents admitting that they are anti American. I've watched them go over the edge. They are obsolete to our country now and need to be disbanded !
I came when I read this comment.
@@commonsenseandconsciouseff7658 oof made my day..deadass
you can't have that with Trump
I might disagree with Rubin on a lot of things, but he's very respectful and calm with guests. Kudos.
I agree.
Yes, isn't it refreshing? That's how democrats used to behave...about 50 years ago.
I Uh-guree!
He’s always been this way, he’s even taken on leftist college students. Rubin is one of the people that WANTS both sides of the argument, If you can find and watch this whole thing he did with Ben, there’s a couple of times where Rubin has a couple of genuine “ah ha” moments in response to what Ben is saying
Avoid fast talking salesmen.
“I’m not big into caring. I think that people who pretend to care about you are generally people who want the power to control your life.”
Who hurt you, Ben? 😢
the government
The point is that is they are pretending. It's all an act put on to manipulate others. It's sick.
Very true words spoken by Ben.
I have such respect how they can agree to disagree and discuss topics as adults and not judge one another.
This is how politics should works: Calm, Respectful and with real arguments
One With Awesomeness it’s called debate, it’s formally trying to prove each other wrong, not forcefully trying to say your right
Like saying: Im not attending a friend's anniversary because he is gay.
So civil and progressive
Huge yes and agree👌👌
Pussy! I'm kidding
One With Awesomeness Uk journalism: I’m about to end this man’s career
I enjoyed this. A ration liberal and a rational conservative. Thats great
Patrick Hunter There is noting rational about being against civil rights
Patrick Hunter Abortion and same sex marriage are constitutionally protected civil rights
curioussebastian hes against it religiously but he said he does not care about it
curioussebastian watch the video and then you can speak
Patrick Hunter cool for summarizing it cause im too dumb
This is genuinely the most constructive debate I have ever seen
Why he is saying about gay marriage the guys from his church does need to marriage to do the dirty?
We need marriage for family orientation. I am gay, and I will adopt the children your marriage left behind.
Leave your religious out of my right to marry/ adopt and do what I choose.
I like how Dave tried to establish a Jewish connection but then he realized that Shapiro is a different brand of Jew.
+Alli YAFF It was pretttyyyy, pretttyyyy, prettyyy good. =)
I cringed hard when he brought up "curb" ... So awkward
+Alli YAFF Yeah Shapiro shot down that olive branch so fast.
Brandon Bahret To be honest, I'm more of a Seinfeld kind of gal.
+Alli YAFF What's the deal with the far left???
I don't agree with Ben Shapiro on a lot of these issues, but at least he has rational thought behind them, unlike many on both sides of the political isle.
That is what I liked about this. It was probably the first time ive heard someone argue against gay marriage for reasons that were not religious. Though I wish I could have asked some question. There are so many more legal aspects to marriage than simply taxes. With the Aids epidemic, which was primarily as a result of the lack of same sex sexual education many partners werent allowed in to see them. In was a major obstacle for people trying to navigate the medical world and there are many more areas in which legally it applies. Furthermore, obviously governmentally it marriage shouldnt be that big of a deal. But to say that then make the argument to not allow it is absolutely ridiculous. Its a complete contridiction.
Yeah I doubt most people get married for the money. Aside from love and romance, it's about the legal recognition for situations like medical proxy, hospital visits, ect. The person pulling the plug shouldn't be your brother if you've been with someone for 50 years and they're crying outside the hospital just wanting to see you one last time, but being denied entry because gay relationships don't count. Ben was totally misrepresenting the issue.
Joel Knowl I think part of his argument, as a libertarian, is that the government only cares about marriages for all the different reasons he stated, mainly being procreation. I would disagree with him on that point, simply becuase like it or not the government is already tied in to so many other aspects of marriage such as the marriage being recognized by the state and U.S, taxes, medical consent and other reasons, aswell as joint-income and other things. politically there is so much atached to marriage to simplify it down to the government only cares for pro-creation is ridiculous.
Then his claim about the infertile couples who get married. If he says, as a government we shouldnt care about their marriage, as it is based on their ability to procreate, but they are still able to marry that means tha legally for all intents and porpuses homosexual couples would fall under that category and should recieve the same treatment.
exactly
Yo I wish I could thumbs up this more than once
I really like Dave Rubin and his interviews and they are always thought provoking and informative. Both sides are able to express their views in an adult manner. It's funny seeing how Dave's views have changed through time just by allowing back and forth thoughtful dialog.
As for Ben he always makes a lot of sense and good counterpoint arguments. I agree with a lot of his views and points, probably about 80% for what he says. I still feel a lot of his views that I'm not on board with come from his feelings, but I really prefer facts when arguments are given. So to quote my man Ben, whom I like, " facts don't care about your feelings". He's a human and allowed to have feelings that aren't based on facts.........otherwise he'd be a robot.
Thoroughly enjoyed hearing this discussion.
holy fuck he is sharp..
Differentiate between confidence in speaking and quality of ideas.
Great Word for him. Sharp.
I think he's bright.
+Derek Jeter Yes, he has intellectual ability. But his ideas have blind spots.
Ok.
13:25 - "...I think that people who pretend to care about you are generally people who want the power to control your life."
So profound!
It would be if he actually applied it to his own philosophy, but as with most things, he's just cherrypicking to prove his point in the moment.
Swordfish yup sounds exactly like Christians who are against abortion and separation of church and state ( praying should be kept out of schools )
@Vincent Cuttolo read judges 9 were ABIMELECH had 69 brothers and covinced his brothers that there should be only one leader. So the brothers voted for ABIMELECH to be the leader. Then ABIMELECH got an army and killed all his brothers.
Im a Conservative, but this guy is really cool to watch, he’s calm and really respectful, this is one of my favourite debates/conversation lol
Love them both and listen to them both regularly.
Oh fuck. I think im conservative now.
hahahahahaha!..
...same
woke
it is because of this that I think Ben Shapiro would be an outstanding president
You have been woken up
Welcome
Ben Shapiro's summed up position: You got freedom to do whatever you want, just don't impose it on me against MY FREEDOM or freedom of other ppl.
So question: Would you be okay if most churches refused to marry you because of the color of your skin? The whole point is that when descrimination is normalized, people who are being descriminated against have less freedoms unless the government steps in and forces people to treat them like normal customers.
@@zeyode you brought up a point which had nothing to do with this. A church should not have to entertain gay marriage if it chooses not to. Not under any circumstance and it should not be forced to. The left is out of control and is trying to push its will upon all of society like a cancer. Ben Shapiro, if you have truly listened to his words, is the most reasonable person Ive ever heard speak. He discriminates against no one, is extremely intelligent and if a person can not see this for themselves, they do not know what the definition of "reasonable" is.
@@JTCT371 his point is entirely valid. "just don't impose it on me against MY FREEDOM or freedom of other ppl." assume your town or area is mainly does not support homosexuality, by what this initial commenter said, that would mean restaurants could refuse to serve gay people or certain sexually-related medical services would be denied to homosexual individuals. this sounds almost like the segregation of blacks and whites, when the government had yet to pass the civil rights amendment. restaurants had no choice but to serve blacks even if they didn't want to, only once the law of the land said you couldn't deny a person a service because of their beliefs, gender or racial/ethnicity. how will your support for ben shapiro shield you from this one lol?
@@JTCT371 so much for being "reasonable." i don't think you've ever considered that the way you see the "left" could actually be the complete summing up of how we see you guys, and worst part is that you may not have even considered how wrong you guys are, and that twist would be quite scary and embarrassing no; maybe it could apply to us too who knows =)? kind of like a twilight zone episode eh?
@@yuka7.999 I believe the argument was about the government not forcing its will upon the church, which it should not do. As far as the other points you brought up about restaurants and linking it back to days of segregation, well, that is a whole other issue in itself, and no one should be denied service or a shopping experience for any reason. 2 separate issues altogether. For most religious institutions, gay marriage is not and cannot be recognized, and that should be left up to each institutions discretion, not the left forcing its views and will upon all.
What a brilliant, razor sharp mind he has.
I love these debates I can agree with some parts of shapiros points ant the other guy's points (sorry I dont know his name) a good debate about talking about their differences without being horrible to each other
This is what political talks should look like. No rude interruptions, no “how dare you” or name calling. Both sides clearly stating their points and backing them. You dont have to agree to be understanding. Both left and right need to take a few pointers from these two.
I don't think you've ever debated in real life in that case. The only people I've ever encountered in real life that didn't make clear points and argue them well were weirdo righty-racist unionists. Never have I had a debate with a decent right winger or left winger that was full of ooga boogas, just people taking data as point or arguing their point well, in a civil manner. I do notice that I essentially always agree with anyone who is interpreting facts without any stupid spin or acknowledges hypocrisy. I do understand, however, that America is a very uncivil place. It has been worked into polarisation by it's elite, much like my Britain. Scotland is doing well at the least, so that's good. No Russians stealing our democracy. I wish luck to you (I assume you're American) in reclaiming discourse and instituting semi-direct democracy to protect your freedoms. I'm hoping for Scottish independence so I can help my country do the same! Carpe diem.
Piers Morgan just left the chat lol
Completely agree with you! Most Americans, especially these days are so wound up politically that trying to have a civil discussion is near impossible. That's definitely not always the case but it happens a hell of a lot more frequently than it should. The only way to move forward and heal as a country is to have discussions like this where we can hope to compromise, instead of each politician just focusing on getting ahead in polls.
Oh.... and get rid of all the corrupt SOBs in the government.
(Maybe if he didn't argue with teens then he'd find himself against proper opposition)
I'm gonna die once I'm out on my own
Ruben: Do you alw...
Ben: Yes
Ruben: ays speak this fast?
You sir are a genius
Fantastic 😂😂.
Thank you! I needed that very thing this morning!
0.o
Ruben: Can i...
Ben: Yes, totally.
Ruben:... fuck u deep fast hard?
Funny watching this in 2021. Dave has really educated himself in the intervening years since this interview.
This video is one of my most favorite UA-cam videos of all time now
Ben Shapiro is a machine gun of logical arguments. I would love to see him in a debate with Bill Maher. My money, of course, would be on Shapiro.
him and cenk uygur yes!
cenk has no arguments.
I can only think of one person that would be able to keep up and maybe occasionally a step or two ahead... Christopher Hitchens.
TRAILERSPOT
i still want him to destroy cenk because he's jabbed at him
Him and Cenk? That'd be BRUTAL, and I think even Cenk knows it.
"if you don't take the power out of the hands of government, then it will be used against you." SO true.
yes the gov is evil
republicans used to be big gov now its the demos
Yeah, it's not like we have a democratic republic! Oh wait..
Guess we should just implement anarchism then am I right?
If a govt has no power, who prevents anarchy?
Great interview!
Actually, Marriage is a Sacrament of the Church.
Actually, 'marriage' is a collective term of all kinds of religions signifying the permanent union of two people for life and their marriage. Jewish marriage is not Christian marrriage is not Muslim marriage is not Buddhist marriage. Or are you suggesting that the only kind of marriage can take place is one in a Christian church? if so, nether Dave nor Ben are married to you.
Yeah no... atheists can get married, Hindus can get married. Church has nothing to do with it
Christians don't have a monopoly on marriage
@@tommyclark4947 Actually, they do but since you don't believe in God in the first place, why are you even talking to me? Piss off, troll
@@kevinseraphimday6373 where's your proof? People got married before Jesus walked the earth, it's beyond proven. We can debate if atheist can get married, sure, but other religions? All marriage is is a solemn vow to God that you intent to be united with your husband/wife for life and will build your lives together, usually with some exclusivity clause though not always.
Even as convinced as I am of my own beliefs I would never, ever want to debate Ben Shapiro.
Agreed. He could be arguing how the sky is green and I wouldn't want to debate him.
He is too combative generally, and won't list his sources. Though, I doubt he will bother to look up divorce rates, and refusal of tax benefits and adoption to same-sex couples, as he is really buthurt that same-sex couples want the same tax rate as straights.
The claim raised is that heterosexual couples do a better job at raising children, though many scientific studies point to a negligible difference (1). That's why quoting sources are important, as otherwise it is just opinion, and it is hard to debate that.
(1) Parent-reported measures of child health and wellbeing in same-sex parent families: a cross-sectional survey: bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2458-14-635
He still wouldn't be able to prove that God exists
Oooh,an edgy atheist!
Ben Shapiro: top 10 rappers Eminem was afraid to diss
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Gold
Eminem: Drops Rap God
Ben Shapiro: *I'm a lyrical, spiritual individual miracle*
@@cosmicklutz1675 Subliminal. In your swimming pool.
This Shapiro guy speaks faster than the Bee Gees.
Wow! An actual conservation between two opposing sides without attacking each other and finding ways to compromise on where the government, as a conservative, really stands. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
"We're gonna end the show with a bong rip" this would be me as a news person XD