Many ppl disslike Mr Liu because of the paddle twiddling he was doing but i like him. Very, very tricky player. It is sad that he left table tennis 2002 only at age 26 for pursuing a career in coaching the chinese national team
I don't like Liu. Waldner is wayy better. My favorite is Ma Long ;) The GOAT! And my second pick would be Wang Liqin. He played a little bit like europeans!
look at 21:58... that forehand flick from Waldner left Liu in complete shock. Waldner has always tried new things in his game which left lot of players guessing forever...
The snappy sound coming from Liu ‘s racket every time he hits the ball. Could it be speed glue? Not trying to take anything away from his incredible skill. I think his services are every bit as good as Waldeners.
I think discussions as who is best is totally irrelevant unless you argue about the definitions about what it means to be the best. You can not compare players between generations. Well..can...but then you must find a way how to measure their qualities although their sport has changed. Yes, Ma Long is better than Waldner. So what? We can not predict how Waldner would have performed in his prime against him. You can only compare players from the same generation.
Longer vs shorter sets in their respective prime. 5 serves vs 2. Different ball in their prime. I say Waldner was the best player with old rules. Ma Long with the new rules. Pretty much impossible to compare. But i liked the old game more. More creativity with the smaller ball. Now it's more of being the best robot. I think it's a fairly unbiased view of the matter, even though I'm Swedish.
@@elmacho7203the chinese always help their own best player reach far with minimum effort and easy victories in international tournaments whenever they face eachother. Then when their chosen golden boy reach the finals he is still fresh and rested while the other finalist from other country has worked his ass off each match to get there and is more likely to lose due to fatigue.
never haha, waldner was not number 1 in the world, he would not play all tournaments, including many Chinese that respect it was the most intelligent player, and Chinese only play with the power and physical strength.
Yichuan Cai Jike is definitely the best in terms of his performance on top matches in history, but imo Ma Long is the best in terms of how balance his forehand and backhand is and there's no one ever achieved this perfection. Waldner is pretty good but unfortunately he is just about the same style with Guoliang (good serving, fast attack), he was just too old otherwise it's hard to say..
Tim guo yuehua, ma lin, wang liqin and wang hao had positive scores over waldner. liu lost to waldner only starting 2000, but prior to that, habitually won most of their matches
@@donluna2000 positive-negative scores are for geeks.Waldner beat them when it counted the most and Wang Hao is like 18 years younger than Waldner.That's like 4.5 Olympic cycles.And when did Waldner play Guo Yuehua?Totally obscure stats.
I don't really follow much on the changes. I first played table tennis the ball was smaller, then I stopped then played again the ball was already changed. I don't follow much of when changes were done.
German Open MS SF 1999. There's a (very brief) caption right at the beginning of the video. Waldner had 6 consecutive losses to Liu starting in 1995, until he beat him in the 2000 World teams-and then won every time after that.
I watched the whole thing through and all I can say is that it's a good thing Liu had a bagful of bitch serves. A win is a win though. I don't think I saw a legal serve on either side in any of the matches LOL.
I'm surprised at how many serves and service returns were missed. Was this match played when servers were allowed to hide their service motions with their bodies? Is this why there are so many misses and poor returns? It seems nowadays, everyone hist s short serves the vast majority of the time., and few returns are missed. Here they mix up the serving, and hit lots of hard serve. The rallies also seem shorter than today's game.
Joe Marshall during speed glue era, rubbers were faster, balls were smaller and therefore faster and much more spinny. so less rallies. ittf made ball larger to make it slower, more visible to spectators, less spin, banned hidden serves in 2001, banned speed glue in 2008. With the slower ball, short lips died and liu had to retire
Even liu's pimps were banned by ittf... 🤷♂️ Another important thing is that these two players had very, very good serves and it was extremely difficult to get the spin... According to Waldner it took him a long time to read liu's serves... And many players have mentioned that the most difficult aspect to face Waldner was his serve... So here we are watching two very good at serves and adding that was allowed to hide the ball, a smaller and lighter ball... I'm not sure if it was the number of serves from five to two or the rule of showing the ball for serving...but one of the two ones was due to liu guoliang... I can't remember very well. But one change in rules for liu guoliang was the rubber he was and another was for his serve... But I don't remember which one was... If I do remember... I'll try to post it clearer... 👍
That¨s the effect of the short pimples.It produces weird knuckle balls some times with no spin,some times with light underspin that mess up the timing of the opponent.LGL was pretty much a junk baller.His serves were second to none but he didn¨t play that much against Europeans which made his style even trickier.
From what he said, he was probably also a Chinese penhold pip-out style player who played Waldner quite a bit with success. This should narrow down to only a few candidates. I am guessing that the he is Chen LongCan.
Is it just me or are these professional players amateurs when compared to the pros of today. The games they play now is much more competitive. The players are much more aggressive and more athletic. Watch the match between Xu Xin and Wang Ho. Insane match, insane rallies!!
Nirav Shakya OK. No, Jan-Ove Waldner and Guoliang Liu were during their playing in the world elite never amateurs compared to Xin Xu or Hao Wang. Matches don't need to contain long rallies in order to be competitive or to be an example of advanced playing.
Many ppl disslike Mr Liu because of the paddle twiddling he was doing but i like him. Very, very tricky player. It is sad that he left table tennis 2002 only at age 26 for pursuing a career in coaching the chinese national team
I was sad too. It turned out, however, to be one of the best things to ever happen to the Chinese team.
+Galimah I like his style :D I based my playing style in him..
He is the reason why the Chinese National Team was very dominant today
I don't like Liu. Waldner is wayy better. My favorite is Ma Long ;) The GOAT! And my second pick would be Wang Liqin. He played a little bit like europeans!
I think he left because of hidden serve rule change
look at 21:58... that forehand flick from Waldner left Liu in complete shock. Waldner has always tried new things in his game which left lot of players guessing forever...
Greatest players would be greatest in any era.
Ma long is the greatest of all time.
Greatest in his era. He looks like an amateur compared to today’s players.
The snappy sound coming from Liu ‘s racket every time he hits the ball. Could it be speed glue? Not trying to take anything away from his incredible skill. I think his services are every bit as good as Waldeners.
I think discussions as who is best is totally irrelevant unless you argue about the definitions about what it means to be the best. You can not compare players between generations. Well..can...but then you must find a way how to measure their qualities although their sport has changed. Yes, Ma Long is better than Waldner. So what? We can not predict how Waldner would have performed in his prime against him. You can only compare players from the same generation.
mrmarcman, Absolutely. I really liked your argument.
I would say:
In terms of winning: Ma Long
In terms of creativity: Waldner
Ma long is much better
@@elmacho7203 Wang Hao concurs...
Longer vs shorter sets in their respective prime. 5 serves vs 2.
Different ball in their prime.
I say Waldner was the best player with old rules. Ma Long with the new rules.
Pretty much impossible to compare.
But i liked the old game more. More creativity with the smaller ball. Now it's more of being the best robot.
I think it's a fairly unbiased view of the matter, even though I'm Swedish.
@@elmacho7203the chinese always help their own best player reach far with minimum effort and easy victories in international tournaments whenever they face eachother. Then when their chosen golden boy reach the finals he is still fresh and rested while the other finalist from other country has worked his ass off each match to get there and is more likely to lose due to fatigue.
Понравилось как Вальднер разминается перед игрой
Selten gesehen, da4 Jan Ove waldner von der Pladde weggeht.Blockstaerk
11:24 Stiga Pen Hold Blade😍
golden cl with Yasaka label
waldner the best table tennis player on the history
Never your are absolutely rong
camilo de la cruz jike zhang is the best in history,even waldner is in his prime, ZJK could wipe him out easily
never haha, waldner was not number 1 in the world, he would not play all tournaments, including many Chinese that respect it was the most intelligent player, and Chinese only play with the power and physical strength.
Yichuan Cai Jike is definitely the best in terms of his performance on top matches in history, but imo Ma Long is the best in terms of how balance his forehand and backhand is and there's no one ever achieved this perfection. Waldner is pretty good but unfortunately he is just about the same style with Guoliang (good serving, fast attack), he was just too old otherwise it's hard to say..
Yichuan Cai So in short I don't think anyone can beat Ma Long if they all at his best.. I hold the same opinion on Zhang Yining on female side.
woh, didn't know LGL used to twist his paddle - that's quite a bit harder to do than on shakehand.
Yeah because of having short pips on one side
talento walner y liu un hombre que entreno mucho
I like the 21 pt games and liu guoliangs stance when he serves it looks cool.
+Jonathan Landeros Wang Zeng Yi's serves looks like his
after Waive and Waldner,not one single noneChinese has been able to break their hegemony
Tim guo yuehua, ma lin, wang liqin and wang hao had positive scores over waldner. liu lost to waldner only starting 2000, but prior to that, habitually won most of their matches
The question is though the importance in the matches they won.
Waldners specialty was from the middle of the 90s to win the matches that counted.
@@donluna2000 positive-negative scores are for geeks.Waldner beat them when it counted the most and Wang Hao is like 18 years younger than Waldner.That's like 4.5 Olympic cycles.And when did Waldner play Guo Yuehua?Totally obscure stats.
@@dickn.ormous1064 guo yuehua beat waldner when he was ALREADY retired in 1988. Not sure about this, though. Could be a rumor
liu guo liang serve is so good
epic match between great players
Liu is the best
not really....compare with young generation--ma long, fan zhen dong, wang hao, xu xin is better than him...
oh yeah
To those commentators so chinese; Peace! Iesu aini amen. God Bless:D P.s. John 14:6 please 'n peace. Maranatha!
兩人是史上最強直拍跟史上最強橫拍對決
Two legends
まだ２１点マッチの時代だね。
I wish you'd put the date when this match occurs...I'd like to know if this was before the changes to the size of the ball or not.
Definitely before the change to the big ball. I'm pretty sure this was 1996.
I don't really follow much on the changes. I first played table tennis the ball was smaller, then I stopped then played again the ball was already changed. I don't follow much of when changes were done.
German Open MS SF 1999. There's a (very brief) caption right at the beginning of the video. Waldner had 6 consecutive losses to Liu starting in 1995, until he beat him in the 2000 World teams-and then won every time after that.
Damn... The timeout worked
I watched the whole thing through and all I can say is that it's a good thing Liu had a bagful of bitch serves. A win is a win though. I don't think I saw a legal serve on either side in any of the matches LOL.
Schluesselmensch it was pretty much legal before 2000's.
+I do drugs damn...how i miss those days:(
WALDNER GOT HIS FAT ASS MANHANDLED
Schluesselmensch hidden serves were banned only in 2001
I'm surprised at how many serves and service returns were missed. Was this match played when servers were allowed to hide their service motions with their bodies? Is this why there are so many misses and poor returns? It seems nowadays, everyone hist s short serves the vast majority of the time., and few returns are missed. Here they mix up the serving, and hit lots of hard serve. The rallies also seem shorter than today's game.
Joe Marshall during speed glue era, rubbers were faster, balls were smaller and therefore faster and much more spinny. so less rallies. ittf made ball larger to make it slower, more visible to spectators, less spin, banned hidden serves in 2001, banned speed glue in 2008. With the slower ball, short lips died and liu had to retire
Even liu's pimps were banned by ittf... 🤷♂️
Another important thing is that these two players had very, very good serves and it was extremely difficult to get the spin... According to Waldner it took him a long time to read liu's serves... And many players have mentioned that the most difficult aspect to face Waldner was his serve... So here we are watching two very good at serves and adding that was allowed to hide the ball, a smaller and lighter ball...
I'm not sure if it was the number of serves from five to two or the rule of showing the ball for serving...but one of the two ones was due to liu guoliang... I can't remember very well. But one change in rules for liu guoliang was the rubber he was and another was for his serve... But I don't remember which one was... If I do remember... I'll try to post it clearer... 👍
That¨s the effect of the short pimples.It produces weird knuckle balls some times with no spin,some times with light underspin that mess up the timing of the opponent.LGL was pretty much a junk baller.His serves were second to none but he didn¨t play that much against Europeans which made his style even trickier.
another era, another rules, another way to play, but compared to nowadays, Liu Goliang seems not as good as ma long or fan zendhong
The male commentator is very helpful. Anybody knows his name?
From what he said, he was probably also a Chinese penhold pip-out style player who played Waldner quite a bit with success. This should narrow down to only a few candidates. I am guessing that the he is Chen LongCan.
TheVampB It turned out that he is Jiang Jialiang (江嘉良). I found out this in another website. At that time he was a commentator at STAR Sports.
xiao he
That makes sense since he mentioned his famous forehand flicks. Thx for clarifying!
德国的裁判几乎都是爱好者， 群众运动， 不像中国。
ワルドナーいまひとつ調子ワルドナーそうな試合
Harimoto is the best
Anthony Leung just screaming boy noob shit
Hahhaha. Kid has bright future, hopefully
Screamoto
Waldner log
Harimoto is genius player
Is it just me or are these professional players amateurs when compared to the pros of today. The games they play now is much more competitive. The players are much more aggressive and more athletic. Watch the match between Xu Xin and Wang Ho. Insane match, insane rallies!!
+Nirav Shakya Do you know who these players are?
+Magnus Johansson yes i do
+Nirav Shakya What is your own background and understanding in table tennis?
Tell you what mate i have been playing Table tennis for the past 10 years. So yes i do know a bit abt it
Nirav Shakya OK. No, Jan-Ove Waldner and Guoliang Liu were during their playing in the world elite never amateurs compared to Xin Xu or Hao Wang. Matches don't need to contain long rallies in order to be competitive or to be an example of advanced playing.
I think they dont play good at all.
那个时候的解说说的是普通话 现在的说的都是北京话 油滑粗鄙