Korn never used turntables. That was all guitars. For everyone who thinks nu metal is nothing but Limp Bizkit and other "cringe-worthy" bands, listen to Korn's first album and I'm sure you'll be proven wrong
Fair point. I was unsure about that. Ultimately the emulation of the turntable sound is still key. But that is interesting. Could have had me fooled. How the turntables.
Korn always felt like an experimental metal band. Not easily categorized. I never felt Korn and Limp Bizkit were in the same category in any way. Korn was much, much darker and played with lots of musical genres and ideas.
Even as someone who's always had a soft spot for nu-metal, I've never quite looked at it in the same way you've described it, but something really clicked for me now that I've watched this. There still really isn't any other album quite like the self-titled Korn album. It's that feeling I used to get as a child. Someone who wasn't given a fair chance to understand themselves or the world that they live in. Sure they're still in that immature, undeveloped phase in their life, but that kind of mental and emotional space is still there, and worse when they don't have the tools or experience to deal or cope with their trauma. It's also why a lot of people may describe Korn as "whiny", but that's kind of all you can do when you're literally a kid and don't know how to make sense of your emotional traumas. We're not in this stoic or super masculine headspace here. That's how I interpret the Korn album, along with the imagery of urban life and that general feeling of poverty and dinginess. But that one specific feeling of having night terrors as a kid, that never really comes through the same way in any other band lumped together with the "nu-metal" label. Makes me identify with the album in a very personal way. Even Korn couldn't replicate that on their later works. Lightning in a bottle.
The style of Korn is what i love the most. Its not something thats trying to be hardcore or creepy or brutal, its real and genuine uncanny discomfort. Its telling exactly how it feels and is to be broken, distorted and disturbed(no pun intended) and not having any way to get the help they need or being taken serious when what they are going through is serious
I believe Nu-metal's nature is to be more of an underground music than mainstream despite the fact that Korn pushed this genre into the mainstream right off the bat, simply due to the fact that it's hard music to make, hard not in technical sense but in psychological, cause in order to be taken seriously as a numetal band you have to express something thats painful or uncomfortable otherwise you end up being like Limp Bizkit. I also believe you nailed "subversion of childhood innocence" part completely as this I think is core/spirit of numetal. Keep making more stuff dood, this is very constructive and overall interesting.
Almost exactly👍But Korn didn't push "nu" into the mainstream. It was the mainstream who went straight to them and all the crew(Deftones,Coal Chamber,Slipknot later),specifically MTV bc of pop was being so corny and sassy for 90s youth,used to grunge sounds !!!
This is exactly what i need to understand what Real Nu metal is. I want to come up with my own Nu metal riffs but it was so confusing since what most say is nu metal was never really the same as Korn or Slipknot. But thanks to this I now have a better understanding of what Nu metal is and to break of from the bands that don’t understand or are mislabelled as Nu metal
I think this is the best description I've heard for Nu-metal as a cohesive genre, I might start using it like this now tbh, I always used to think of Nu metal as a cultural movement rather than a specific style of metal since there's no reasonable way to say that Korn, Limp Bizkit, and Deftones sound the same, but they did all spawn from the same kind of place culturally, but that always left Korn without a name for their style and made them very hard for me to describe, so I like this idea a lot
I think Nu Meal is the treatment of their instrument differently. Guitars riffs support the drums, and bass leads instead of the lead guitar. Resulting in a more heavier sounding music, but rhythmically balanced in so the piece comes together like art. Also how they play wiht their instruments as if they're different instruments, like guitar as turntble, and the prolonging of tthe screeching effect f the lead guitar. It's actually unique to this genre, gives off their creepy vibe; in which their "issues" lay. This genre is for people who has issues, and the lyrics corroborate that. If you switch the lyrics into a more upbeat, hopeful lyrics, it would nt work, because of the imagery these sounds produces. A creepy, and yet otherwordly vibe. Nu Metal is special in that it acknowledges the negative mental state that is possible in humanity/society. The media coverage of it has stained its significance over the years, but true nu metal will forever be the heaviest genre of all music, simply because it hits the core of humanities negative psychology. It's not a fad. It's an experience.
Great video! Glad to hear you mention Prong. Amazing band that I feel not a lot of people talk about. Saw them live once opening for Pantera back in the 90's. Cleansing is my favorite album by them. In addition to Korn, I've also heard they've had influences on NIN and White Zombie.
Industrial metal be interesting how that evolved, and any genre you can come up with I like the way you explain it just keep making videos about genres I'd like any you post even if im not into the genre
Glad to see Deftones not on here. They always got lumped in with Nu Metal when Adrenaline was honestly more on the border with post hardcore and punk if anything. Really loving your content!
I love deftones and I’d put somewhat put them into numetal label. They have really bouncy riffs and sometimes rapping. They also don’t include any solos. Around the Fur sounds like a signature numetal. For me the term numetal had become in the 00s a term in which you put what you don’t like. After White Pony they really distanced themselves from numetal. But first three albums - yeah, they’re numetal, and they’re awesome
@@WikDroid Some songs are definitely nu metal on all 3 albums, but some songs are also post hardcore, some are shoegaze, etc. so I think tagging them a nu metal band like Korn isn’t all that accurate. Their demo Like Linus is definitely more nu metal than adrenaline though.
One of the best summaries of the genre I’ve heard (other than saying Korn has turntables, but the guitars do simulate turntable sounds so it still kinda counts) I think other good things to bring up would be how it often flirts with punk (Snot, for example), industrial (Static X, Orgy, “Helmet in the Bush” by Korn), and even shoegaze (Deftones)
Thanks! Yeah I am learning things too. I feel silly that I didn't know they didn't use turntables before I made this video. In hindsight it is pretty obvious.
This might or might not be hard: Prog Specifically 2 questions in addition to an intro: 1. Prog is a term commonly tacked on to another, like Prog Death. When does bringing prog elements over to another genre cease to attain the prog prefix entirely? I hear a lot of modern metalcore bands with a similar sound to prog but don’t seem to attain the prog prefix. 2. Is the term ‘Prog’ getting diluted? With my limited understanding it seems to be a term for new, innovative music that progresses a genre further creatively. These days it seems there are more and more prog bands with similar sounds getting labelled Prog. Is this similar to how indie used to mean independent artist, but now seem to have become a sound itself? Love your videos!
Interesting. Need to think on it. Even mainstream bands like Metallica and Avenged Sevenfold are Prog Metal to a degree, but rarely are they referred to as such.
It not diluted, just expanded, prog was a specific sound in 90's but now since bands are aiming to more complexity is correct to label a lot of them ike prog infused bands, like last avenged sevenfold album
I’d love to see a video on bands like TDG and the likes, since that’s mostly what i grew up listening to and my gateway into the heavier stuff i listen to today, great video my guy!!
Awesome video! I do agree with the fact that Nu-metal is a complex genre to understand by metalheads and that's because metal elites never gave subgenres of Nu-metal since they clearly hate the genre. There are early 90's/2000's- mid 90's/2000's albums that combined Nu Alternative metal, Nu-metalcore, Nu-funk metal, Nu-latin metal, Nu-thrash metal, Nu-industrial metal, and Nu-punk metal. The fascinating thing about Nu-metal is that certain bands don't even rap, they either use melodic singing/creepy singing, whispering, screaming, djent nu- riff, or using rhythmic vocals styles. I also agree that Limb Biskit isn't purley Nu-metal but from their early albums, they had the down tune djent Korn riff, screaming, and in your face angry/ depressing music.
FYI: most people seem to consider John Davis to be scatting, not beat boxing, but I do think there's some hybridization going on. Other Nu- bands like Lincoln Park do occasionally feature legitimate beat boxing.
I think what Davis does is almost a distinct vocal style altogether. Which is what I was getting at. I should have been clearer. Because Rap Metal absolutely features beatboxing, but the normal kind.
I don't remember anyone in the right mind refering to post grunge bands like Nickelback or industrial metal acts like Marilyn Manson as "nu metal" (though Manson did briefly dabble in the genre). It's hard to really summarize what "nu-metal" was but if I had to, it was basically heavy metal trying to get away from it's old 1980s roots (by then acts like Iron Maiden and Ozzy were seen as something akin to "dad rock") and find a new "indentity" in the late 90s, an era when hip-hop was starting to outsell rock, goth was becoming mainstream thanks to Marilyn Manson and Hot Topic, and with alternative rock/grunge pretty much dead, kids needed new angsty music to listen to. Nu-metal was more or less a rough algamation of all those things. I think that was biggest problem with nu-metal, it couldn't really decide what it wanted to be and just became a heavy metal "frankenstein" of ideas that just didn't really mesh together. Incidently have you seen Punk Rock MBA's video on nu-metal? He does a pretty good retrospective.
I would say a lot of bands that call themselves Nu Metal like Limp Bizkit, are a mix of Nu Metal and Rap Metal. I think Limp Bizkit first album is the more Nu Metalish of their discography, the others are more like a Nu Metal/Rap Metal/Rap Rock hybrid.
Damn thats a good video for a small new channel! And as you said at the end i would love a video about the genre of TDG actually I still wonder what genre they are considered and at the moment i think alt metal (again its wide term and dosent really say anything) post grunge and hard rock? I mean the early TDG Stuff because they changed thier Sound a bit since 1st album which was the heaviest
what Jonathan Davis is does is called *scat singing* , that's not what "beatboxing" is or sounds like. Beatboxing is using percussive sounds with the mouth, not your voice
Did Limp Bizkit seriously take a shot at Korn? lmao. I'll admit, I'm not a Nu Metal fan at all, but Korn's first two albums where legit good. And yes, lumping them in with the likes of Fred and LB actually is insulting.
I love the analysis here and what you're doing with this channel, but I also think the way you're defining nu-metal here is maybe a bit too narrow when Korn's S/T album is kind of a unicorn, even within their own discography (even though it is probably the most important nu-metal album). I actually think it's fair game to say the cheeky humor/party/troll-y side is also a valid part of the genre, because I think that can be interpreted as a kind of coping mechanism for trauma as well. It's also undeniable that Korn and Limp Bizkit were inextricably linked in the late 90s, with Korn being directly responsible for them getting signed in the first place. The Family Values 98 and 99 tours, to me, represent the peak of nu-metal. It started with a more grunge/underground place but very quickly evolved into a genre that embraced big arena shows and a larger than life atmosphere. Point being, I think Limp Bizkit is absolutely a valid part of the nu-metal genre/conversation. Firstly because their debut with Three Dollar Bill was super raw/angsty in its own right, full of influence from hardcore, grunge and alternative. It's not uncommon for the debut album from bands in this genre to be the most raw, down and dirty one-- because bands are young, hungry, full of bottled up emotion. Secondly because they didn't downplay their hip-hop influence the way other bands in the movement did, yet hip-hop influence is still a big piece of the puzzle here in your definition of what nu-metal is. LB openly embraced it, even if to the point of ridicule/parody at times. And I think one of the defining characterstics of nu-metal was that it was really about mixing and blending other styles of music with metal. So for me, "true" nu-metal is really more about that specific era than anything. It was the first time in history you could have a tour lineup that included the likes Korn, Limp Bizkit, Ice Cube, Method Mad & Redman, Rammstein, Primus, etc. and have those audiences mingle under one roof. I look at it kind of like the horror genre with film. Bands like Korn and Slipknot lean more into the serious/disturbing side of the genre. But there's also room for the campy/humorous aspect as well. Horror and comedy can compliment each other really nicely.
Ngl, being a HUGE fan of korn I thought you were gonna tear them apart…. but I love the fact you didn’t and can actually get sense of their authenticity instead of seeing them lumped into a category of boyish wet dreams and cringy aesthetics.
This video made me gain a weird appreciation of Korn, which I had before dismissed as being boring, overproduced, and made to be mass-appealing. I'm definitely giving them another go now.
I think what makes some Korn songs more disturbing than more extreme metal songs is that unlike death metal vocalists Jonathan is showing his weakness and sadness.
Great video man! Although I do have to ask what you consider Rage Against the Machine to be. I know their lyrics don’t really connect with the Korn-esk lyrics but I would love to know what you think!
Disturbed, while not at all a Nu-Metal band per se, despite often being lumped into this crowd along with Limp Bizkit, System of a Down and many others that shouldn't be there, do have some Nu-Metal tracks. The most notable and famous of them being Down with the Sickness.
a band don't here mentioned enough when it comes to influencing Nu Metal is Helmet. When I first heard Korn, I was like " man, they stole all their riffs from Helmet"
Oh yeah. Helmet was the pregenitor to nu-metal without a doubt. Other bands like Rollins Band, Faith No More and Rage had their hands in the pot, but Helmet gave nu metal its sound.
What a great explanation on what really defines this genre. You really brought up some good points and practically changed my perspective on the genre. I always loved Nu/Rap Metal as it was what introduced me to the harder side of rock music before eventually going further into Extreme Metal, and while I could somewhat tell the obvious difference between the two genres, you really expanded the diffences further. On another note, I never considered Rap Metal as a stealing of black culture and any fellow black person who has a problem with that or a white person who's a rapper in general should really just stfu. The pioneering of Metal as whole stems from the roots of Gospel and Blues, notably Chuck Berry, which are black founding genres. My culture contributed HEAVILY to music but that doesn't mean other people aren't allowed to share in their love for the music. Music is music. People love music. That's what makes up part of our attributes of being human. It shouldn't be about what culture did what. It should be about people loving music. Just my two cents anyway...
I agree! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Hopefully I will be able to elaborate my ideas better in the future. I think had some really good points here and in the cultural cringe video, but some people seemed to have misinterpreted what I meant. I do not think they "stole" culture. I think that many saw a lacking in their own culture and embraced aspects of another culture to fill the void. I probably worded things poorly, and made it seem like a bad thing. I was particularly disparaging towards Rap Metal, but hopefully I can make things clearer in upcoming videos.
Jonathan uses the bagpipes because of his school I think. I live in Bakersfield and I go to the same high school he did and I think Feildy too. The mascot is Scottish people and there is a bagpipe club. I think you can make a connection.
The so called “nu metal” bands never called themselves metal. The music was just hard rock with an edgier twist. They were labeled metal by the idiots in the mainstream music press. The term “metal” gets tossed around way too much.
Actually, I would consider those bands a little different. Yes they are somewhat Nu Metal but they have other influences too. Deftones actually borders on Post Metal, and Nothingface has a bit of a Post Grunge sound. They are pretty unique specimens for Nu Metal.
@@whatsinameme5258 I would say taht the first two albums of Deftones are nu metal, Around The Fur does take a lot of influences from Post-Hardcore on that record already, since they are big fans of post-hardcore bands, but those two albums are very nu metal, they ceased to be nu metal at White Pony, which still has a few nu metal songs and very few influences of it but that is when they became more of an Alt.Metal band with influences of Post-Metal and Shogaze.
Im a classic thrash/death metal big fan but Nu metal is the most dark and horrifying theme in my opinion .. bands such like KoRn and Slipknot .. lyrics about child r*pe and molesting, sexual / mental / physical abuse , mental illness and all fucked up stuff and emotions left behind them etc. are far more dark and twisted and brutal than cursing gods and wanting to eat human flesh with a chainsaw lyrics
You dont sound like a true classic trash/death metal fan at all. Most of slipknots lyrics never feature that it's just goofy and neither does Korn. Cannibal corpse one of the oldest & respected death metal bands has lyrics of rape, molesting, genocide, human flesh & etc like what is you talking about. Nu metal is goofy not dark.
I like how you explain it. In my opinion though i think the term nu metal shouldn't even exist as i see that era as just a new wave of alternative metal
I don't remember where exactly, but I read an article by a Chilean metalhead about that topic. All of what we usually refer to as nü metal (the second definition used on this video) is just basically a second wave of alternative metal, with the first one hitting in the late 1980s and early 1990s.
You should also talk about extreme nu metal; bands like The Last Ten Seconds Of Life, Traitors, Tallah, Vended and Vein, that fuse nu metal with death metal, deathcore or even metalcore and have the same vibe of the 90's bands.
Slipknot started moving towards generic thrash-metal sometime around 2004 and scorned the nu-metal label like a redheaded stepchild. Limp Bizkit is more or less making the same music they did thirty years ago.
So, I'm pretty balls deep so to speak in Nu Metal, so let me tell ya something... the thing about Nu Metal is it's personal. Personal in a way that most Metal just isn't. And this is all coming from a HUGE Sludge Metal guy, (which I also consider to be lyrically personal in regards to the depressing and hopeless since of it). Anyway, I define Nu Metal as late 90s/early 2000s Heavy alternative music. Very very broad, it includes this deeply personal stuff, to cringe worthy(cheesy) stuff, to super F'd up stuff. If you want to hear the lengths Nu Metal has gone to, just listen to the song 'Helio - Painmaker'. And there's plenty more like Helio.
Korn I believe have said that when they started they didn't think they were metal, but more funk adjacent. Looking at Fieldy's bass playing, it's so funk based it's clear as day.
@@Eccentricjuices Well, yes. But think of it like Led Zeppelins relation to heavy metal. Or Amebix's relation to black metal. They weren't the "true" originators, but they were progenitors and huge influences. Besides, listen to "Speechless" off Betty. Sounds pretty nu metal.
I'm interested in why'd you play "happy?" as mudvayne nu metal song example, since it's easily their most rock-pop and "non strange" song, one of their less nu-metal works.
As someone who has watched oodles of music docs, breakdowns, analysis etc your videos are intriguing,right to the point and making me look at things in a different way...Mooooreeee!! Subscribed.
Good video. I often think about this topic and, if you allow me to contribute to the discussion, I'd like to say a one thing: I think your approach to define what Nu Metal is, is actually going the other way around. What I mean by this is that things exist in the material world and then get named. You seem to have tried to make up a concept of what Nu Metal should be and then tried to see what bands fitted in it. We as humans actually do that all the time, but I think that's not the best approach. Think of sports. Sports are not something easy to define but we seem to kind of know what they are despite that. If you think of a sport as a game you play while doing some type of physical exercise, that's not really true because chess is considered a sport, shooting is a sport, F1 is a sport... You see what I mean? So there are all these bands considered Nu Metal and most people seem to agree that they are indeed Nu Metal bands, but it is still not easy to point a finger on what they have in common. But they are all Nu Metal. Some of the examples you gave really seem too farfetched, but Limp Bizkit, Korn, Slipknot, System of a Down, Linkin Park... These are all pretty much unanimously considered "Nu Metal". So I think the best approach is to analyze them and figure out what they have in common. Wikipedia does a good job with that, in my opinion.
I honestly think the term "Nu-metal" should be used for the era of the more mainstream breakthrough of alternative music than as an attempt to describe a specific "genre." Like slipknot is also decribed as nu metal due to their use of turntable, but aside from that, they have almost nothing in common with Korn, Limp Bizkit, etc aside from happening to be relativly successful at around the same time.
Idk how anybody could label Lamb Of God anything other than groove metal. They're basically a tribute band(but still good in their own right) to Pantera, the poster band for groove
There’s very few “true” nu metal because if often went into completely different directions depending on the band, going Industrial like Orgy, Spineshank or Static-X, Slipknot had a Death Metal edge on Iowa, Staind on their first album Tormented is basically a big melting pot of all the contemporary metal genres at the time such as Sludge, Grunge, Groove under a convenient Nu Metal label, Early Deftones and Snot were very Post-Hardcore, with Deftones eventually turning into a Hum-esque shoegaze band, and even bands like early Mushroomhead, Mr. Bungle, and even Incubus on their major label debut S.C.I.E.N.C.E took things to the Avant-grade. The only “true” Nu-Metal bands I’d say are bands like Coal Chamber or Kittie, which are very Korn-like. Rap Metal is indeed different, however I often think of Limp Bizkit’s first album Three Dollar Bill as a pseudo-Nu Metal album, it’s more similar to Snot with its punk aggression and screaming (which Fred is really friggin good at). I appreciate you trying to clear things up in this video, Nu Metal is indeed a hard genre to pin down.
You're 100% right,i remember a band from Tennessee called Helio,they called themselves nu metal,but their sound was like a weird mix between nu metal,noise rock and whatever The Avalanches was into circa 2001
@Elijah Boyd he LITERALLY said that, that many bands started or had an era similar to the korn template on some aspects, but ended up as a totally different thing.
my argument for any subgenre is that if it dont represent an actual subculture than it's just pigeonholing and nitpicking at the very least. I'm not a metal head or whatever but I see it alot in the folk and country scene alot. especially the term Americana" which is just a catch all term for anyone who plays softcore country music
My rule is countries dont count. "Swedish Death Metal" for example. I get what they mean usually, but there are Death Metal bands from Sweden that dont have that sound. I have also noticed that people say "American Metal" to refer to what I would call Groove Metal.
Honestly the Limp Bizkit slander is sad! Their first 3 albums are gold. If you can build up your cringe tolerance, it’s really good music. Especially $3 dollar bill, y’all. Do a video on them!
@@radiosavior6361 I was being a bit facetious when I said that. I was basically saying that by my oddly specific standards, KoRn is pretty much the only one that meets my criteria. But Coal Chamber and Kittie very much fit the exact sound I'm describing.
I feel like another band that well represents nu-metal would be hed(pe). To me their sound has always been the definition of numetal, especially on their first two albums.
I think his definition is a little too strict, genres all naturally evolve. both Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park carry enough of Nu Metal's charasterics to be considered as such, both have a great focus on utilizing guitar as a rhythm instrument, a lot of hip hop influence and of course the themes are all there especially in Linkin Park's case, Linkin Park's sound is very polished unlike early Nu Metal and is influenced from a lot of other genres but that doesn't suddenly just make it no nu metal in my opinion. I think, when you have a genre like Nu Metal, it is for the best to seperate it into "waves" like Emo has been.
Korn never used turntables. That was all guitars. For everyone who thinks nu metal is nothing but Limp Bizkit and other "cringe-worthy" bands, listen to Korn's first album and I'm sure you'll be proven wrong
Fair point. I was unsure about that. Ultimately the emulation of the turntable sound is still key. But that is interesting. Could have had me fooled. How the turntables.
Hey Rollin is a banger
@@DukeofItaly Limp Bizkit does have a couple good songs, but Korn is WAY better
@@mattr924 agreed
And they never used beatboxing. What Jonathan does is called scat singing.
A dive into Alternative Metal would be cool, I think you’ve struck gold with these discussions friend
Yep, would love to see that. Get some SOAD up in here.
yeah this would be cool, nice to learn new things and i'm intrigued in what you think regarding alternative metal :)
Korn always felt like an experimental metal band. Not easily categorized. I never felt Korn and Limp Bizkit were in the same category in any way. Korn was much, much darker and played with lots of musical genres and ideas.
Limp bizkit played with 2 of the most different genres in existence hip hop amd metal(specifically groove) and added some pop flavouring.
I died when you called the "UUURAAADAAAH OOOOH RAH OOONNDDAA RAHHHDAAH" Beatboxing
I think it’d be more accurately called “scat” like how they did in oldschool Jazz
Even as someone who's always had a soft spot for nu-metal, I've never quite looked at it in the same way you've described it, but something really clicked for me now that I've watched this. There still really isn't any other album quite like the self-titled Korn album.
It's that feeling I used to get as a child. Someone who wasn't given a fair chance to understand themselves or the world that they live in. Sure they're still in that immature, undeveloped phase in their life, but that kind of mental and emotional space is still there, and worse when they don't have the tools or experience to deal or cope with their trauma. It's also why a lot of people may describe Korn as "whiny", but that's kind of all you can do when you're literally a kid and don't know how to make sense of your emotional traumas. We're not in this stoic or super masculine headspace here. That's how I interpret the Korn album, along with the imagery of urban life and that general feeling of poverty and dinginess. But that one specific feeling of having night terrors as a kid, that never really comes through the same way in any other band lumped together with the "nu-metal" label. Makes me identify with the album in a very personal way. Even Korn couldn't replicate that on their later works. Lightning in a bottle.
The style of Korn is what i love the most. Its not something thats trying to be hardcore or creepy or brutal, its real and genuine uncanny discomfort. Its telling exactly how it feels and is to be broken, distorted and disturbed(no pun intended) and not having any way to get the help they need or being taken serious when what they are going through is serious
I believe Nu-metal's nature is to be more of an underground music than mainstream despite the fact that Korn pushed this genre into the mainstream right off the bat, simply due to the fact that it's hard music to make, hard not in technical sense but in psychological, cause in order to be taken seriously as a numetal band you have to express something thats painful or uncomfortable otherwise you end up being like Limp Bizkit.
I also believe you nailed "subversion of childhood innocence" part completely as this I think is core/spirit of numetal.
Keep making more stuff dood, this is very constructive and overall interesting.
Almost exactly👍But Korn didn't push "nu" into the mainstream. It was the mainstream who went straight to them and all the crew(Deftones,Coal Chamber,Slipknot later),specifically MTV bc of pop was being so corny and sassy for 90s youth,used to grunge sounds !!!
This is exactly what i need to understand what Real Nu metal is. I want to come up with my own Nu metal riffs but it was so confusing since what most say is nu metal was never really the same as Korn or Slipknot. But thanks to this I now have a better understanding of what Nu metal is and to break of from the bands that don’t understand or are mislabelled as Nu metal
I think this is the best description I've heard for Nu-metal as a cohesive genre, I might start using it like this now tbh, I always used to think of Nu metal as a cultural movement rather than a specific style of metal since there's no reasonable way to say that Korn, Limp Bizkit, and Deftones sound the same, but they did all spawn from the same kind of place culturally, but that always left Korn without a name for their style and made them very hard for me to describe, so I like this idea a lot
Ye me too. This gives me a better understanding of Nu metal
Nu metal is when metal gets heavy on a spiritual level.
I think Nu Meal is the treatment of their instrument differently. Guitars riffs support the drums, and bass leads instead of the lead guitar. Resulting in a more heavier sounding music, but rhythmically balanced in so the piece comes together like art.
Also how they play wiht their instruments as if they're different instruments, like guitar as turntble, and the prolonging of tthe screeching effect f the lead guitar.
It's actually unique to this genre, gives off their creepy vibe; in which their "issues" lay.
This genre is for people who has issues, and the lyrics corroborate that. If you switch the lyrics into a more upbeat, hopeful lyrics, it would nt work, because of the imagery these sounds produces.
A creepy, and yet otherwordly vibe.
Nu Metal is special in that it acknowledges the negative mental state that is possible in humanity/society.
The media coverage of it has stained its significance over the years, but true nu metal will forever be the heaviest genre of all music, simply because it hits the core of humanities negative psychology.
It's not a fad. It's an experience.
Thank you, Ive been saying this for years. No rule #2 in Nu-Metal.
Please name me few songs/bands about that creepy heavy mental nu metal vibe besides KoЯn and Slipknot !
@@СевернаяЗвезда-в9м sevendust, nonpoint, cold,
@@СевернаяЗвезда-в9м Disturbed - Down with the Sickness comes to mind, as well as a few more songs in their catalogue.
Great video! Glad to hear you mention Prong. Amazing band that I feel not a lot of people talk about. Saw them live once opening for Pantera back in the 90's. Cleansing is my favorite album by them. In addition to Korn, I've also heard they've had influences on NIN and White Zombie.
Industrial metal be interesting how that evolved, and any genre you can come up with I like the way you explain it just keep making videos about genres I'd like any you post even if im not into the genre
Very well put man! That Otep album still rules too.
Glad to see Deftones not on here. They always got lumped in with Nu Metal when Adrenaline was honestly more on the border with post hardcore and punk if anything. Really loving your content!
I love deftones and I’d put somewhat put them into numetal label. They have really bouncy riffs and sometimes rapping. They also don’t include any solos. Around the Fur sounds like a signature numetal. For me the term numetal had become in the 00s a term in which you put what you don’t like. After White Pony they really distanced themselves from numetal. But first three albums - yeah, they’re numetal, and they’re awesome
Yeah Adrenaline sounds like if Quicksand and Snapcase had a baby, aside from the staccato vocals I would say it's more of a post-hardcore record
@@WikDroid Some songs are definitely nu metal on all 3 albums, but some songs are also post hardcore, some are shoegaze, etc. so I think tagging them a nu metal band like Korn isn’t all that accurate. Their demo Like Linus is definitely more nu metal than adrenaline though.
@@xangrycatmanx5104 didn’t they all 3 go on a tour together when adrenaline came out? If Snapcase and Deftones had a baby it would be Higher Power lol
@@MiguelRamirez-cr7gh for me their demo is more like funk metal even haha
Just found your channel through the death metal video, keep it up, shits good
One of the best summaries of the genre I’ve heard (other than saying Korn has turntables, but the guitars do simulate turntable sounds so it still kinda counts)
I think other good things to bring up would be how it often flirts with punk (Snot, for example), industrial (Static X, Orgy, “Helmet in the Bush” by Korn), and even shoegaze (Deftones)
Thanks! Yeah I am learning things too. I feel silly that I didn't know they didn't use turntables before I made this video. In hindsight it is pretty obvious.
This might or might not be hard: Prog
Specifically 2 questions in addition to an intro:
1. Prog is a term commonly tacked on to another, like Prog Death. When does bringing prog elements over to another genre cease to attain the prog prefix entirely? I hear a lot of modern metalcore bands with a similar sound to prog but don’t seem to attain the prog prefix.
2. Is the term ‘Prog’ getting diluted? With my limited understanding it seems to be a term for new, innovative music that progresses a genre further creatively. These days it seems there are more and more prog bands with similar sounds getting labelled Prog. Is this similar to how indie used to mean independent artist, but now seem to have become a sound itself?
Love your videos!
hit the nail on the head
Interesting. Need to think on it. Even mainstream bands like Metallica and Avenged Sevenfold are Prog Metal to a degree, but rarely are they referred to as such.
It not diluted, just expanded, prog was a specific sound in 90's but now since bands are aiming to more complexity is correct to label a lot of them ike prog infused bands, like last avenged sevenfold album
I’d love to see a video on bands like TDG and the likes, since that’s mostly what i grew up listening to and my gateway into the heavier stuff i listen to today, great video my guy!!
Alternative Metal video is definitely on the agenda!
Awesome video! I do agree with the fact that Nu-metal is a complex genre to understand by metalheads and that's because metal elites never gave subgenres of Nu-metal since they clearly hate the genre. There are early 90's/2000's- mid 90's/2000's albums that combined Nu Alternative metal, Nu-metalcore, Nu-funk metal, Nu-latin metal, Nu-thrash metal, Nu-industrial metal, and Nu-punk metal. The fascinating thing about Nu-metal is that certain bands don't even rap, they either use melodic singing/creepy singing, whispering, screaming, djent nu- riff, or using rhythmic vocals styles. I also agree that Limb Biskit isn't purley Nu-metal but from their early albums, they had the down tune djent Korn riff, screaming, and in your face angry/ depressing music.
But saying X isn't metal doesnt exactly mean its bad
@@radiosavior6361 I agree
Which is why I love Nu metal even more now and im going to explore it even further
@@Zeagods-CyberShadow same here! I saved a lot of cool albums from obscure Nu-metal bands.
You should write a book on this. I love your point of view
FYI: most people seem to consider John Davis to be scatting, not beat boxing, but I do think there's some hybridization going on. Other Nu- bands like Lincoln Park do occasionally feature legitimate beat boxing.
I think what Davis does is almost a distinct vocal style altogether. Which is what I was getting at. I should have been clearer. Because Rap Metal absolutely features beatboxing, but the normal kind.
@@whatsinameme5258 fair enough. 😎
So happy I found your channel
KoRn kicks ass. They are terrific. Extremely creative band. Blown away by them when I first head them. I’ll always defend their music.
Same they are true artists and creative with creating some that is unlike any genre of metal
I don't remember anyone in the right mind refering to post grunge bands like Nickelback or industrial metal acts like Marilyn Manson as "nu metal" (though Manson did briefly dabble in the genre). It's hard to really summarize what "nu-metal" was but if I had to, it was basically heavy metal trying to get away from it's old 1980s roots (by then acts like Iron Maiden and Ozzy were seen as something akin to "dad rock") and find a new "indentity" in the late 90s, an era when hip-hop was starting to outsell rock, goth was becoming mainstream thanks to Marilyn Manson and Hot Topic, and with alternative rock/grunge pretty much dead, kids needed new angsty music to listen to. Nu-metal was more or less a rough algamation of all those things. I think that was biggest problem with nu-metal, it couldn't really decide what it wanted to be and just became a heavy metal "frankenstein" of ideas that just didn't really mesh together. Incidently have you seen Punk Rock MBA's video on nu-metal? He does a pretty good retrospective.
Nu-Metal was my gateway to heavier music honestly as I am sure it was for most of us
I would say a lot of bands that call themselves Nu Metal like Limp Bizkit, are a mix of Nu Metal and Rap Metal. I think Limp Bizkit first album is the more Nu Metalish of their discography, the others are more like a Nu Metal/Rap Metal/Rap Rock hybrid.
@Notmus They're a Nu Metal/Rap Metal hybrid, they have the same guitar sound (not tuning) as Korn.
Damn thats a good video for a small new channel!
And as you said at the end i would love a video about the genre of TDG actually
I still wonder what genre they are considered and at the moment i think
alt metal (again its wide term and dosent really say anything) post grunge and hard rock?
I mean the early TDG Stuff because they changed thier Sound a bit since 1st album which was the heaviest
I think you summed them up nicely! Maybe I will mention them in the Alternative Metal video. :)
@@whatsinameme5258 thanks!
what Jonathan Davis is does is called *scat singing* , that's not what "beatboxing" is or sounds like. Beatboxing is using percussive sounds with the mouth, not your voice
Nice vids, I'm here before your videos blow up.
And people; please do check out Prong; especially the album "Beg To Differ."
also a lot of the 2000s bands that for some reason didn’t get lumped into nu metal were undoubtedly ripping off Tool. i could name at least 10 bands
Did Limp Bizkit seriously take a shot at Korn? lmao. I'll admit, I'm not a Nu Metal fan at all, but Korn's first two albums where legit good. And yes, lumping them in with the likes of Fred and LB actually is insulting.
they didn't. that lyric was nothing more than a reference to them. they were good friends during those days and still are
KoRn "basically" discovered Limp, and help them to break through back in 1996/1997
I love the analysis here and what you're doing with this channel, but I also think the way you're defining nu-metal here is maybe a bit too narrow when Korn's S/T album is kind of a unicorn, even within their own discography (even though it is probably the most important nu-metal album). I actually think it's fair game to say the cheeky humor/party/troll-y side is also a valid part of the genre, because I think that can be interpreted as a kind of coping mechanism for trauma as well. It's also undeniable that Korn and Limp Bizkit were inextricably linked in the late 90s, with Korn being directly responsible for them getting signed in the first place. The Family Values 98 and 99 tours, to me, represent the peak of nu-metal. It started with a more grunge/underground place but very quickly evolved into a genre that embraced big arena shows and a larger than life atmosphere.
Point being, I think Limp Bizkit is absolutely a valid part of the nu-metal genre/conversation. Firstly because their debut with Three Dollar Bill was super raw/angsty in its own right, full of influence from hardcore, grunge and alternative. It's not uncommon for the debut album from bands in this genre to be the most raw, down and dirty one-- because bands are young, hungry, full of bottled up emotion. Secondly because they didn't downplay their hip-hop influence the way other bands in the movement did, yet hip-hop influence is still a big piece of the puzzle here in your definition of what nu-metal is. LB openly embraced it, even if to the point of ridicule/parody at times. And I think one of the defining characterstics of nu-metal was that it was really about mixing and blending other styles of music with metal. So for me, "true" nu-metal is really more about that specific era than anything. It was the first time in history you could have a tour lineup that included the likes Korn, Limp Bizkit, Ice Cube, Method Mad & Redman, Rammstein, Primus, etc. and have those audiences mingle under one roof.
I look at it kind of like the horror genre with film. Bands like Korn and Slipknot lean more into the serious/disturbing side of the genre. But there's also room for the campy/humorous aspect as well. Horror and comedy can compliment each other really nicely.
Ngl, being a HUGE fan of korn I thought you were gonna tear them apart…. but I love the fact you didn’t and can actually get sense of their authenticity instead of seeing them lumped into a category of boyish wet dreams and cringy aesthetics.
This video made me gain a weird appreciation of Korn, which I had before dismissed as being boring, overproduced, and made to be mass-appealing. I'm definitely giving them another go now.
Glad to hear!
Very good
Korn's earliest releases are the best to start with. Most of their music after Issues dont hit like their earlier tunes did.
Most overlooked aspect of Nu-Metal is a complete disregard for rule #2. The bass player is more often than not an integral part of the melody.
Maaan, keep making such videos maaan, don't stop maaan.
Thank you!
I think what makes some Korn songs more disturbing than more extreme metal songs is that unlike death metal vocalists Jonathan is showing his weakness and sadness.
Very nice aproach. I would add the first album of Coal Chamber to the true nu metal list.
yesss coal chamber!!!
I predict that nu-metal is going to make a comeback in some form or another
Except it already has??? what rock have you been under: It's called nu metalcore
Tallah are killing it!
@@Blackprojex I mean in the mainstream. One doesn’t have to be under a rock not to have heard about a subgenre of metalcore
@@BlackprojexThere's that. And also pop songs since the turn of the decade that feature nu-metal elements and styling
I would love to see you break down Sludge, Thrash, and Death metal
Nonpoint deserve mention here. Their song Mindtrip still rips to this day!
I *ALWAYS* said this,NÜ Metal is Alternative,groovy metal + grunge
All i can think about when i hear stuff about nu metal is Korn´s Daddy. No way im listening to that anymore anytime soon
Underrated channel
What about you do a video about "Avant-Garde Metal"?
That could be cool. I don't listen to much of it, but Unexpect is pretty cool.
@@whatsinameme5258 Glad you liked it.
Great video man! Although I do have to ask what you consider Rage Against the Machine to be. I know their lyrics don’t really connect with the Korn-esk lyrics but I would love to know what you think!
RATM is rapcore/funk metal I believe.
@@whatsinameme5258 they are the renegades of funk after all
Disturbed, while not at all a Nu-Metal band per se, despite often being lumped into this crowd along with Limp Bizkit, System of a Down and many others that shouldn't be there, do have some Nu-Metal tracks. The most notable and famous of them being Down with the Sickness.
a band don't here mentioned enough when it comes to influencing Nu Metal is Helmet. When I first heard Korn, I was like " man, they stole all their riffs from Helmet"
Oh yeah. Helmet was the pregenitor to nu-metal without a doubt. Other bands like Rollins Band, Faith No More and Rage had their hands in the pot, but Helmet gave nu metal its sound.
What a great explanation on what really defines this genre. You really brought up some good points and practically changed my perspective on the genre. I always loved Nu/Rap Metal as it was what introduced me to the harder side of rock music before eventually going further into Extreme Metal, and while I could somewhat tell the obvious difference between the two genres, you really expanded the diffences further. On another note, I never considered Rap Metal as a stealing of black culture and any fellow black person who has a problem with that or a white person who's a rapper in general should really just stfu. The pioneering of Metal as whole stems from the roots of Gospel and Blues, notably Chuck Berry, which are black founding genres. My culture contributed HEAVILY to music but that doesn't mean other people aren't allowed to share in their love for the music. Music is music. People love music. That's what makes up part of our attributes of being human. It shouldn't be about what culture did what. It should be about people loving music. Just my two cents anyway...
I agree! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Hopefully I will be able to elaborate my ideas better in the future. I think had some really good points here and in the cultural cringe video, but some people seemed to have misinterpreted what I meant. I do not think they "stole" culture. I think that many saw a lacking in their own culture and embraced aspects of another culture to fill the void. I probably worded things poorly, and made it seem like a bad thing. I was particularly disparaging towards Rap Metal, but hopefully I can make things clearer in upcoming videos.
@@whatsinameme5258 All good brody, your vids are awesome and are only getting better. Great elaboration on your part as well👍
Sad I didn't get to see the old rap metal video just to compare it to the new nu/rap/alt metal video
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Jonathan uses the bagpipes because of his school I think. I live in Bakersfield and I go to the same high school he did and I think Feildy too. The mascot is Scottish people and there is a bagpipe club. I think you can make a connection.
Nice video. will you talk about other subgenres? would like to hear about industrial metal next. 🙂
Only nu metal bands i listen to are KoRn and Slipknot its nice to hear that they are "pure"
The so called “nu metal” bands never called themselves metal. The music was just hard rock with an edgier twist. They were labeled metal by the idiots in the mainstream music press. The term “metal” gets tossed around way too much.
Nu metal is under the Alternative umbrella, in my mind
I don’t know if korn is taking me over but when ever I hear the word corn I yell
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Earlier Deftones and Nothingface are also "true" nu metal.
Actually, I would consider those bands a little different. Yes they are somewhat Nu Metal but they have other influences too. Deftones actually borders on Post Metal, and Nothingface has a bit of a Post Grunge sound. They are pretty unique specimens for Nu Metal.
@@whatsinameme5258 I would say taht the first two albums of Deftones are nu metal, Around The Fur does take a lot of influences from Post-Hardcore on that record already, since they are big fans of post-hardcore bands, but those two albums are very nu metal, they ceased to be nu metal at White Pony, which still has a few nu metal songs and very few influences of it but that is when they became more of an Alt.Metal band with influences of Post-Metal and Shogaze.
Great video. Love Prong and love Korn and you can use one to eat the other.
Haha. Great observation!
Prong is so underrated.
@@superstarthomas YES. THIS.
I would like a deep dive of black metal.
Im a classic thrash/death metal big fan but Nu metal is the most dark and horrifying theme in my opinion .. bands such like KoRn and Slipknot .. lyrics about child r*pe and molesting, sexual / mental / physical abuse , mental illness and all fucked up stuff and emotions left behind them etc. are far more dark and twisted and brutal than cursing gods and wanting to eat human flesh with a chainsaw lyrics
You dont sound like a true classic trash/death metal fan at all. Most of slipknots lyrics never feature that it's just goofy and neither does Korn.
Cannibal corpse one of the oldest & respected death metal bands has lyrics of rape, molesting, genocide, human flesh & etc like what is you talking about.
Nu metal is goofy not dark.
@notmusThat, and they're artifical as fuck. No real band would still be going today without half the OG crew like they are.
Later this year will be 30th anniversary of KoRn first album! Truly metal/rock icons
I can't believe you still didn't discuss Linkin Park
I like how you explain it. In my opinion though i think the term nu metal shouldn't even exist as i see that era as just a new wave of alternative metal
I don't remember where exactly, but I read an article by a Chilean metalhead about that topic. All of what we usually refer to as nü metal (the second definition used on this video) is just basically a second wave of alternative metal, with the first one hitting in the late 1980s and early 1990s.
Excellent video as always is common for people to put various music into one basket, one question whats the videogame screenshot you used?
Alice Madness Returns! :)
You should also talk about extreme nu metal; bands like The Last Ten Seconds Of Life, Traitors, Tallah, Vended and Vein, that fuse nu metal with death metal, deathcore or even metalcore and have the same vibe of the 90's bands.
Errorzone is a pretty cool album. I will look into the others.
most hardcore and metalcore bands are influenced by 90s nu metal
i saw the last ten seconds of life live once. pretty good but a little too many breakdowns for my taste lol. tallah is fuckin awesome.
Sepultura mid 90-s was also early proto nu-metal
soooo many people consider limp bizkit numetal and not slipknot it's insane
Slipknot started moving towards generic thrash-metal sometime around 2004 and scorned the nu-metal label like a redheaded stepchild. Limp Bizkit is more or less making the same music they did thirty years ago.
Korn definitely derived a lot of inspiration from Prong, Faith No More, Mr Bungle to name a few.
I loved Korn when I was 12/13. I grew out of it but they definitely were the gateway to heavier music.
I've started to hear something akin to "Nu-deathcore" in bands like "darko US" and "ten56.". idk if it's a specific thing but it's sick as hell
There's something of a Nu-metal revival going on these last few years and I'm all for it. See also Tallah, Cane Hill and sorta Code Orange.
@@Eichro true
@@Eichro gotta playlist for y’all
what if a metal band has the Groove Metal & the Grunge but has 0 rap elements in their music??
So, I'm pretty balls deep so to speak in Nu Metal, so let me tell ya something... the thing about Nu Metal is it's personal. Personal in a way that most Metal just isn't. And this is all coming from a HUGE Sludge Metal guy, (which I also consider to be lyrically personal in regards to the depressing and hopeless since of it). Anyway, I define Nu Metal as late 90s/early 2000s Heavy alternative music. Very very broad, it includes this deeply personal stuff, to cringe worthy(cheesy) stuff, to super F'd up stuff. If you want to hear the lengths Nu Metal has gone to, just listen to the song 'Helio - Painmaker'. And there's plenty more like Helio.
Korn I believe have said that when they started they didn't think they were metal, but more funk adjacent. Looking at Fieldy's bass playing, it's so funk based it's clear as day.
Prong's "Scorpio Rising" was pretty nu metal.
Definitely. Prong influenced KoRn, and then KoRn influenced Prong. Underrated band.
IMO, Helmet was the first Nu Metal band. Page Hamiltons syncopated riffs were the template for 90's metal.
They’re post hardcore/Alt Metal.
@@Eccentricjuices Well, yes. But think of it like Led Zeppelins relation to heavy metal. Or Amebix's relation to black metal. They weren't the "true" originators, but they were progenitors and huge influences.
Besides, listen to "Speechless" off Betty. Sounds pretty nu metal.
@@jukeman9291That's my favorite track off that album.
I really enjoyed this video, especially with all the relevant examples.
I'm interested in why'd you play "happy?" as mudvayne nu metal song example, since it's easily their most rock-pop and "non strange" song, one of their less nu-metal works.
As someone who has watched oodles of music docs, breakdowns, analysis etc your videos are intriguing,right to the point and making me look at things in a different way...Mooooreeee!!
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Thank you!
Love the deep dive into what makes nu-metal, nu-metal. I always hated how it was a lump together all music term used in the early to mid 00s
you forgot roots by sepulture which was some important proto nu metal
Would you classify Tallah as Nu metal?
Good video. I often think about this topic and, if you allow me to contribute to the discussion, I'd like to say a one thing:
I think your approach to define what Nu Metal is, is actually going the other way around. What I mean by this is that things exist in the material world and then get named. You seem to have tried to make up a concept of what Nu Metal should be and then tried to see what bands fitted in it. We as humans actually do that all the time, but I think that's not the best approach. Think of sports. Sports are not something easy to define but we seem to kind of know what they are despite that. If you think of a sport as a game you play while doing some type of physical exercise, that's not really true because chess is considered a sport, shooting is a sport, F1 is a sport... You see what I mean?
So there are all these bands considered Nu Metal and most people seem to agree that they are indeed Nu Metal bands, but it is still not easy to point a finger on what they have in common. But they are all Nu Metal. Some of the examples you gave really seem too farfetched, but Limp Bizkit, Korn, Slipknot, System of a Down, Linkin Park... These are all pretty much unanimously considered "Nu Metal". So I think the best approach is to analyze them and figure out what they have in common. Wikipedia does a good job with that, in my opinion.
Whats the song name after chop suey?
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I honestly think the term "Nu-metal" should be used for the era of the more mainstream breakthrough of alternative music than as an attempt to describe a specific "genre." Like slipknot is also decribed as nu metal due to their use of turntable, but aside from that, they have almost nothing in common with Korn, Limp Bizkit, etc aside from happening to be relativly successful at around the same time.
not just turntable but rapping tho
1:37 ah yes, Green Day, my favourite metal band
Don't forget about other bands that majorly influenced the sound of Nu Metal such as Tool, Mr. Bungle and Rage Against The Machine.
Idk how anybody could label Lamb Of God anything other than groove metal. They're basically a tribute band(but still good in their own right) to Pantera, the poster band for groove
2:15 scientist inventing new metal genres.
hearing that you know otep is amazing
There’s very few “true” nu metal because if often went into completely different directions depending on the band, going Industrial like Orgy, Spineshank or Static-X, Slipknot had a Death Metal edge on Iowa, Staind on their first album Tormented is basically a big melting pot of all the contemporary metal genres at the time such as Sludge, Grunge, Groove under a convenient Nu Metal label, Early Deftones and Snot were very Post-Hardcore, with Deftones eventually turning into a Hum-esque shoegaze band, and even bands like early Mushroomhead, Mr. Bungle, and even Incubus on their major label debut S.C.I.E.N.C.E took things to the Avant-grade. The only “true” Nu-Metal bands I’d say are bands like Coal Chamber or Kittie, which are very Korn-like. Rap Metal is indeed different, however I often think of Limp Bizkit’s first album Three Dollar Bill as a pseudo-Nu Metal album, it’s more similar to Snot with its punk aggression and screaming (which Fred is really friggin good at). I appreciate you trying to clear things up in this video, Nu Metal is indeed a hard genre to pin down.
You're 100% right,i remember a band from Tennessee called Helio,they called themselves nu metal,but their sound was like a weird mix between nu metal,noise rock and whatever The Avalanches was into circa 2001
@Elijah Boyd he LITERALLY said that, that many bands started or had an era similar to the korn template on some aspects, but ended up as a totally different thing.
my argument for any subgenre is that if it dont represent an actual subculture than it's just pigeonholing and nitpicking at the very least. I'm not a metal head or whatever but I see it alot in the folk and country scene alot. especially the term Americana" which is just a catch all term for anyone who plays softcore country music
My rule is countries dont count. "Swedish Death Metal" for example. I get what they mean usually, but there are Death Metal bands from Sweden that dont have that sound. I have also noticed that people say "American Metal" to refer to what I would call Groove Metal.
Another band that did authentic nü metal is Kittie. Their debut album "Spit" is a very recommended one to listen.
Honestly the Limp Bizkit slander is sad! Their first 3 albums are gold. If you can build up your cringe tolerance, it’s really good music. Especially $3 dollar bill, y’all. Do a video on them!
What about bands like Coal Chamber or Kitties though? Aren't they Nu Metal?
I would say so, yes. That is the sound I'm talking about.
@@whatsinameme5258 oh yeah cause you said like KoRn was only Nu Metal band out there (in this video at least)
@@radiosavior6361 I was being a bit facetious when I said that. I was basically saying that by my oddly specific standards, KoRn is pretty much the only one that meets my criteria. But Coal Chamber and Kittie very much fit the exact sound I'm describing.
WIAM:
*carries out a detailed nu metal analysis*
Jonathan Davis in the bg:
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Curious if you would consider Shinedowns first album as nu metal
I feel like another band that well represents nu-metal would be hed(pe). To me their sound has always been the definition of numetal, especially on their first two albums.
I gotta disagree with you not counting Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park in the genre.
I think his definition is a little too strict, genres all naturally evolve. both Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park carry enough of Nu Metal's charasterics to be considered as such, both have a great focus on utilizing guitar as a rhythm instrument, a lot of hip hop influence and of course the themes are all there especially in Linkin Park's case, Linkin Park's sound is very polished unlike early Nu Metal and is influenced from a lot of other genres but that doesn't suddenly just make it no nu metal in my opinion.
I think, when you have a genre like Nu Metal, it is for the best to seperate it into "waves" like Emo has been.
That is scat not beat boxing.