I Was WRONG About Kick.com...
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- Опубліковано 4 кві 2023
- Kick.com: Let's talk Twitch, money, policies, and the masterminds behind Kick. And we can't forget the Kick vs Twitch debate.
In my last video, I talked about Kick.com, a streaming platform similar to Twitch with an insane 95% revenue split. In it, I speculated that they were backed by a gambling website and was concerned that they chose Adin Ross to convince streamers to switch. In this video, I'll be discussing why Kick MIGHT be a viable alternative to Twitch, and the controversy surrounding the founders of Stake.
My Original Video on Kick.com 👉 • Video
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#kick #twitch #gaming - Розваги
Update: Kick is now using clips from this video in their ads? News to me… Kick is STEALING content?!
ua-cam.com/video/JGv6oGFDucg/v-deo.html
I think the spilt is INSANE for Kick streamers, but it could be a downfall if Stake decides to pullout of the platform. The only way I could see Kick become the next big thing is not the revenue split, not big streamers, but the engagement of the viewers. Kick shouldn't be a copy and paste of Twitch, instead they should start to innovate on what can the viewer do to be engaged with the streams they're watching.
why do i feel like kick is so similar to twitch that i feel like they are stealing source code from twitch (not true, *or maybe not* )
also without the big big gambling site supporting kick, kick will ultimately have 2 options. 1: shutdown the platform, become the next mixer. 2: change the revenue split to something lower than 95-5 because like theres no way a business can stay afloat with a 95-5 revenue split without big big budget company supporting them.
being dependent on others (especially a gambling site) is probably not recommended for "big big" "twitch-killer" platform. sustainability is needed for a platform for big big streamer that will stream.
also i miss mixer, i see some miss it as well.
also like you said, engagement of viewers is needed to keep your platform fresh and alive.
Kick needs to innovate what for the viewers to engage with the streams they're watching besides Live chat or commenting under each video just like every other social media platform? Have they not all "copy & paste" from each other? Kick designed their site to be identical to twitch so that the twitch viewers would be comfortable and use to their site functionalities. I have zero issues with that. Kick can slowly add their new innovations in the future. From a business aspect Kick is doing the right move.
@@UnCursed I disagree. If the company steadily earns above a certain threshold, they can easily keep the platform up with 5%. Plus with the incredibly generous split, if it grows enough everyone is going to go to it and they'll work so much more for that 95% and the motivation for it that Kick can make more money than Twitch ever did taking 50%.
The split is like that because they don't care about the streaming, they want to usher people into the casino. Facebook gaming did similarly insane dealings back in the day. It's a tactic to make it look like it's a good idea to stream there when it isn't because the core business is not streaming, it's an ulterior motive going on.
Gambling is the ideology.
just dont gamble?
It's the Walmart plan. Walmart use to come into towns. Setup. And everything was super cheap. All the other stores went out of biz. Then Walmart would slowly raise their prices. Kick will do the same. They will slowly lower their payouts but only after they are competitive. Well, that's my theory
Could be
@xmilitaryman doesn't Kick, there's context missing for that. He's a Twitch streamer
I learned about kick through a friend who decided to start streaming on it. Just been looking up more info on kick & this video definitely convinced me to give it a try in the early stages, especially because of that 95-5 split lol. Great video in all, was surprised to see the quality with only 3.5k subs. keep up the good work!
KICK IS GOATED IVE MADE $1000 IN ONE MONTH
Wow that's really cool , Will you mind helping you to keep promoting your channel by getting live viewers when you are streaming?
@@marycynthia4347 fuck no
I just started my Twitch account in May of this year, a little before their new guidelines were announced I believe and i'm now hearing about KIK being a potentially more lucrative platform. Despite having barely a following, I'm concerned about what I got myself into. On the one hand, I'm new enough to twitch that the guidelines do not have a much of an effect on me expect if I am considering doing this full time in the future. On the other hand, KIK seams like the better option despite it being the wild west with no regulations in site and not sure how long the 95-5 split will last. It feels like I am considering going to either Disney or Universal theme park and both places potentially have mascots with knives hidden in their costumes.
I'm a new streamer, let me make this nice and short for you.
I started twitch about 2 months ago I'm still at 80 followers with only 2-3 views a stream.
I started Kick 2 days ago and I already have about 420 followers with about 300-400 viewers. I'm impressed how it's pushing people's content. I'm loving it.
That’s awesome I’m glad it’s working well for you and your community
Wow nice! I think I’ll try the same
Let's go! That's awesome to hear.
Just giving me more motivation to go ahead and start! Letsgooo
95% - 5% split.....seems awfully too much but shouldn't be 50-50, maybe somewhere in the range of 15% - 85%
They will back off this split in a year or two after honeydicking streamers but it will still be better than twitch
I love kick. If there were more content creators on kick I wouldn't drift back to Twitch but a few of the good content creators on twitch is the only reason I go back to view. I'm slowly building my kick viewership though but I love the feel / vibe of the entire setup. I never got that feeling from mixer.
ssj_roger is on Kick rn follow him.🤣
Lol. Enjoy illegal content
Is it a possibility that kick can actually comfortably function with the 95/5 revenue split W/O dipping into stake funding; and that twitch may have just been massively overcharging their streamers to create higher profit margins?
Can you send links of the two streamers you referenced? 🙂
please?
idk, some big streamers that moved over seemed to only keep about 1/4 of their viewership from twitch. You can argue that alone outweighs the 95:5 split
I didn't know you had a UA-cam channel! Subbed!!!
Who is this XMilitaryman? He doesn't even Kick. 🤔
yeah but the only thing bad about Kick is Streamlabs OBS doesn't support Kick so you cant use all the same widgets and stuff that you use for twitch. So how do we get those widgets back?
Ask streamlabs to support kick. Same with streamyards and nightbot. Botrix supports kick
I'm having an issue with feedback using OBS. Idk how to fix the issue.
Need to consider if they will get any ad sponsorship, and unless they clean up their front page, it is unlikely, and will creators on Kick get sponsorship if the platform they stream on isn't ad friendly probably won't.
That’s why you build a small business,ever heard of help your niebor love your niebor ,you want other ppl to do your job your the person donating money online to some fake site or person and walking past homeless ppl in broad day actually around you
@Kony Lane you spelled neighbor wrong. You probably have a hard time actually understanding what you read. So nowhere in my statement is anything about donating. It is talking about brand sponsorship and their willingness to run advertisements on a platform whose front page looks like an unkempt truckstop bathroom version of Twitch. If you're trying as a streamer to get sponsored and kick is your only platform, it might be hard to get sponsored cause of the brand risk.
@@ZacRak0 your talking about ads,yet you ether way to young to understand you can have all the ads in the world,if nobody’s watching it goes nowhere,back to my original statement ,support your neighbor
@Kony Lane 1. You don't know me. 2. My comment about kick was a critique of the lack of TOS. 3. Ad revenue is extremely important for social media. 4. Also, congrats on spelling neighbor right.
@@ZacRak0 i swear. Bro has no idea what he's typing about 💀
90-10 or 80-20 split but do it now & leave it that way forever 🙏🏼
Great video! I just made a Kick account this morning. Surprised at the similar layout between Kick and Twitch! Yes, Kick is still in beta but it looks like it has so much potential!
4FF on kick?
Subbed cuz of Arizona Hat! And good content.
*Edit* Meta PCs!! I love supporting local! Sorry took me a second to realize.
If it’s too good to be true then it is.
Have you noticed UA-cam isn’t even in the conversation anymore? Idk they had a good streaming site 5 years ago where you could browse gaming streams but decided to get rid of it for some reason
YT added support for the AV1 codec a few weeks ago before both Twitch & Kick. They also slowly improved the live streaming stuff over the past few years. Feels more like people ignore YT streams for whatever reason.
@@SomeGuy1122 It used to be YT would advertise live streams frequently. idk if it's because I am mainly on a browser rather than the app, but I can't recall the last time I saw a stream on the home page. I feel like they are focusing on shorts to compete with TikTok instead.
Och yeah they use the same sdk as twitch
Very informative homie! Good Job!!!
Appreciate it!
Great video, but slightly inaccurate. Who's paying the processing fees on the card side?
Love the video bud, recently watched your original take on this last night, I'm an aussie creator, used to be partnered on fb gaming, now im back on twitch with my audience and BANG Kick came out.
I'm gonna stay on both this year and ride the wave with my audience.
Thanks again mate
Yes I did make a kick account, yes I have started streaming on it. Pretty fun so far
Me been streaming on twitch and barely any views and kinda a new streaming thinking about switching 🙃 I didn’t had any luck with with twitch so I hope this will work for me a different platform
In my case, I am not streaming there yet. There is NO content moderation. 😔
ANd the app is BUGGING WAY TOO MUCH.
My major audience is underage and I need a platform that has content filters. 😶
I barely can text there to interact on my friends streams. :/
I have been streaming on kick and barely been discovered had to put alot of work in to be discovered
i just made an account on there so i am thinking about trying it out
I hope so I’m about to start streaming on there
The friend back stab hmmmm sounds like a movie
Called the social network 😅
Worst case scenario if kick ends up shutting down
By then you have a community who follow social join discord etc. If it does shut down and you go back to twitch etc your kick community knows from social
Boom 💥!! Your community goes to follow you join you twitch and boo. You see more growth cause OG viewers on twitch see your viewer count
kick is full of hottub streamers, sleep streams and gambling
and twitch is full of breasts and cleavages and simps. Thats just the internet
And you think those things aren't on Twitch (except for the gambling which they banned)? When it I went to look it seemed like there were plenty of other people there too. Especially now.
@@Troublethecat twitch is a cesspool of hottub streams and girls making it big cause they have boobs.
If u don’t want see that u can turn it off
@@Troublethecatgambling not ban on twitch it’s just certain ones
I’m a streamer and once I seen this I’m like hmmm maybe
yeah, I'd say that this is short term, now with them buying big streamers to come over just like mixer, at some point, the stakeholders are going to be like, why are we keeping this moneypit?
then either the split gets changed drastically, or they're just gonna pull the plug.
but I think their goal is, to essentially kill off the competition (ergo: twitch) and once that happens, they're gonna be like, OK, cool, now we're gonna change that split to 20-80, we'll take 80% because, you have nowhere else to go anymore anyway.
So, either that works, or, if that takes too long, stakeholders are going to be like, why do we keep throwing money at this?
then, they'll either completely bin it (bye bye kick)
or they'll change the split anyway, and get a bunch of ads. (so, essentially, a complete twitch clone)
or, they'll try to sell it for a decent amount of $$$$
and if any of those last 2 fail, they'll just bin it anyway, since they don't want to keep throwing money when there is no real sight as to when that money is starting to come back in.
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95-5...
Its 100% to the creator
But Stripe does take a fee out of that transaction
So Kick calls it 95-5 but the creator actually gets 100%
Kick goes ahead and calculate what Stripe subtracts.
This is explained in the fine print when you are connecting your bank to your account.
Once you had hit Affiliate.
My main point I am making,
that 5% does not support the platform.
Kick is backed by a gambling company where they make a lot of money.
So they do not want any of the creator's actual earnings.
Just thought I should correct this.
And yes I am an affiliate on Kick.
They should do a 70-30 spilt that would be more reasonable
NFL , NBA, NHL, MLB, everything on TV has ads for gambling people need to stop the virtue signaling unless they plan on boycotting everything.
Facebook gives 55% ad rev Share, and 100% donations, as a streamer oartner there.. things might get back up soon maybe.
They are brining ad share like shorts on reels.
I actually saw your meta pc logo on max’s stream, n i was like oh i remember him he’s part of neebs gaming
Super off top 😂, what mic is that? It’s so dope. Sounds amazing
Respeckt mate you really make my mind :)
I really hope Kick is active for consoles too bc I can afford a pc at the moment but I been streaming on twitch from my Xbox series S sadly. I love and enjoy streaming, I been wanting to do it since I was 11 years old and now I’m finally doing it
I fucking don't, it fucking supports gambling.
A while back I heard that kick was making the app available on console
@@jin4616 Bet‼️💯
With your video and what my friend and I agreed on, I suppose I'll give the site a try. I wasn't really able to build a solid community in twitch so maybe Kick will be a good restart? We'll see.
F4F on kick?
quick question, Do kick save your money in for you like twitch because I know alot of minors stream without having a paypal or a bank account.
Anyways about the video, I think kick has alot opportunity for new streamers and good deal than twitch. personally, tiwtch is kind delay because of the policy they make (its kinda dumb) like "No simps or ban" and top streamers being ban for no reasons in twitch. so I think Kick would be a nice platform to stream in other than Twitch, and I will give kick a try.
kick is seriously a copycat. even the achievements are nearly the same, even called as such. i mean, wtf? thats not innovative nor refreshing or anything. and honestly, i don't care if it's still "beta" and it's not even a good argument. if i was to set up something that already exist, i would want to stand out of it to make it unique.
They're obviously are paying out from stake as you mentioned, and they are not losing money in the long run. They are betting to be one of the 6 tech giants who dominate the internet. Add the casino to the mix, it's just win for both platforms.
I don't think they are going to adjust or lower the percentage ratio, until 2 or 3 years after, once they fullfied the market share's goals. Then maybe it's closer to a 20 to 30% cut.
For a new streamer, I would recommend to take kicks gold rush, both in subscribes and payouts.
suddenly i am a kick streamer
My sister streams on kick and she loves it and I watched her stream on twitch and go nowhere and now she post her stats and 1000% better
lol... The site that XqC moved to? Yea it's blowing up.
If it's one thing stake knows it's strategy 🤣
What is that microphone? I want one! Kick still seems to be kicking!
Great video
I think kick will be great if the add in ads. They will go so far with ads
They are adding ads eventually
I'm Already streaming on kick and i have to say it's father over there than it is on twitch when it comes to getting new viewers and follower on twitch I have to be lucky to even get on person or more to engage in my streams twitch don't look out for small streamers but I still restream to it from time to time.
id make an accc
Lot of people underestimate Kick because Mixer failed and Twitch is many years around. That does not mean platform can not compete or become better overtime.
Great video my guy
Kick is something new for me. Looks like good option for new streamers.
I also don't like how you said "kick is the same as twitch" its really not though maybe similar but there content/quality and the 95/5 split is not being the same as twitch.
Yeah imma stream soon twitch discovery ass and i'm aussie and don't think twitch likes my cultural need to curse
good info 😎
I stream on kick not bad i seem to get more viewers on kick then twitch since i stream to both and UA-cam
Jeez this guy just moves whichever way the wind is blowing, how fickle.
How the f*ck do you only have 3k followers with such good content !! Subscribe y’all ! Nice video
short answer .... no
should i make a kick?
If it sounds to good to be true.....
KICKS BEEN GOOD TO ME SO FAR
F4F on kick?
Now you see 😂
Thanks for watching! Are you planning to, or currently, streaming on Kick? Do you think the platform will be around long term? Let me know.
My Original Video on Kick.com 👉 ua-cam.com/video/RAmzbB49AJk/v-deo.html
definitely!
Nope,im going to use twitch for my content
I'm still unsure. I have around 150 followers on Twitch and lately stream kinda often so im building more and more an audience there aswell as the audience on my youtube channel (my small community are mainly from a very unkknown nieche game)
i wanna think in the long term because my goal/dream is to become a fultime content creator and by having like half my money taken away on twitch, just makes it almost double as hard compared to kick. Im pretty sure that i can make most of my loyal subs on twitch/youtube follow over to kick, but im still very unsure about all the sus stuff that was going on.
I'm mostly worried about pullin my follower into something weird. Like the site looks still very shady to me, so the biggest concern about moving over or not is if how much of a safety feeling ill get from kick. I guess ill give it a couple more weeks speak to my mod and look for more videos like this.
by the way thanks for that informing video, this helped me to build a bit more trust towards kick.
Every streamer on kick must also play the casino if u haven’t noticed smh u play on casino for free to lure people to lose scams
Kick is actually good
Run by gamblers, for gamblers and of creators
Ha
that's coming from someone who doesn't stream on it and only regurgitates popular people's opinions.
kick seems ok😊
Been loving kick I have more people chatting then lurking which is good because people who lurk are just dead viewers because they don’t refresh and that doesn’t help you grow so me personally think kick is better
We pnly take X smount of money until we have the abiktity fo change those figures. Dont fool yourself
Kick so good
Everyone defending kick in the comments is ignorant af. If you’re someone that can actually maintain massive sub numbers beyond the initial hype & actually indeed make & sustain $500+/mo in revenue then by all means, get that money.
However, if you’re not delusional about who you are, how big your audience is, & how many people that will actually pay/sub to you on a sustainable basis at a rate that makes you even just $200 extra a month than you would on the other platform, then you need to stay away from kick.
Not only is it an ethical nightmare being a front for gambling websites that are illegal in most countries including the US (even if you use a VPN, you will not be able to withdraw any sizable amount of money so no you can’t argue that you promote being a responsible gambler & using a VPN allows you be guilt free from supporting & funneling vulnerable people & children to the gambling websites that have almost no systems in place to prevent people from depositing money into the site if you do so from a country that it’s illegal in, that’s one of the biggest ways they steal peoples money)
You also support Adin Ross & everything him & people like him are all about ( & if you are one of those pathetic human beings that stan Adin on social media… all I have to say to you is God Bless you and may God forgive you)
Kick’s 95/5 split is not sustainable
It’s now paying Amazon a lot of money to be able to use the same/similar code that twitch is built on, they’ve now admitted this
They do not have any advertisers built into the site currently & given the content they promote, having Adin as the face of kick, there will not be any advertisers that will be able to pay kick enough $ to maintain the 95/5 split
Their biggest streamers stream not just illegal copyrighted content, but some of the biggest & most illegal content you can think of including the Super Bowl & other major sporting events. Adin Ross has knowingly streamed porn to children.
At a minimum the coming lawsuits will undoubtedly result in Adin Ross & any other streamers that streamed copyrighted material having to be banned & removed from the site & that is literally half of the viewership on the platform alone.
And if you don’t believe me, you need to be educated and understand that while lawsuits can take awhile to have any impact, the lawsuits coming Kick & Trainwrecks & especially Adin’s way are the kind of lawsuits that don’t fk around. & the owners of Kick, the faces of Kick like Adin & Train are not going to drain their bank accounts fighting the lawsuits just so Kick can survive a few months longer for plebs like you.
All of them are at kick, promoting kick, and brainwashing plebs like you not for the good of improving streaming platforms, not for the small creators… no… they’re using kick for the money grab & the more losers like you who believe it’s legit, the more money they end up getting to keep. They are literally paying Amazon for its website infrastructure code because they didn’t even want to create something new, something different from twitch, they just wanted to copy twitch, make the colors black and green instead of purple, & get as many suckers to buy into the NFT-like hype as possible
They gave a few big name streamers a bag of money to promote it and hype it up
Got enough of you losers to buy into it & help drive traffic to their real money maker, the gambling sites, got the return on their investment… & now they don’t care what happens to the site
They don’t care what happens to all of the small people on the platform when it inevitably collapses from not being profitable/being forced to shut down due to legal reasons, at least forced to shut down in countries like the US or much of Europe
Again if you can make sustainable increased profits by streaming on kick vs what you’d make on twitch & you can keep that up after the first couple months where all your success is inflated by hype & others wanting you to feel like kick is legit so they gift you 50 subs randomly just for being a new streamer… I’ll never tell someone not to go make more money if it’s sustainable & is actually REAL profits like making an extra $500 on top of what you normally would, of course, do that if you can.
But at best you’ll only be able to keep that up for 1-2 years, & that’s being generous & I know you think I’m being biased with that claim, but we know what happened to mixer, & even for a gambling website with sketchy means of making money legally… the 95/5 split is not sustainable and once they hypothetically say "we’re sorry but we have to change the split now to 80/20 to remain competitive"… it’s over.
Now, if you read this and you’re a kick supporter, it’s likely that instead of having a discussion with me, you’d rather attack or insult me.
So yes you can go to my youtube channel and see that I’m not very successful here on UA-cam
And yiu can go to my twitch channel twitch.tv/astro_2d & see that I’m not very successful there either
But one thing is certain
No small streamer like me will ever be successful on kick, nor should they want to be.
I welcome any good faith responses or attempts at changing my mind. Otherwise if you’re gonna be a typical Adin Ross stan, please do yourself a favor & go try to get laid to a girl that has a personality and let’s you touch her not because you paid her for her services, but because she gave you consent organically. I promise it’s the best.
you hang way to much on to the whole gambling side of it many also stream other stuff on there. i dont see how streaming gaming or other such things draw anybody into gambling
no ones reading this champ 💀
@@kutari you did… chump
@@The_viking_Ninja you are stupid
They promote codes in their stream for matching the amount someone puts into a gambling account and gives them a couple free bets
How do you not see the issue there?
@@kutari truly dumb ppl stream on kick
dude just got a masive deat to stfu xd, its so funny
If Kick could do videos I would be all in🥺
No
callin us hater when bein supported by a gambling website and claim theres nothin what anyone would think or expect n expect us to forget about it? yea ill pass
Twitch is supported by Amazon. What's your point?
@@Troublethecat Better than bein supported by a gambling website 🤣
@@emperorofatlantis6147 Really? Even with all the shady unethical shit and how they treat their employees? Also this gambling site used to be partnered with Twich themselves until not too long ago. You know they used to have an entire subcategory on Twitch too, right?
@Emperor of Atlantis twitch isn't a Saint, they aren't squeaky clean. What they've done lately they're very evil
@@BeansLive567 yea "evil" to those who rely on makin money from it lol
honestly do u expect me to care what twitch does at all? really doesnt effect ppl like me who dont take shits like that seriously
👍👍🙏🙏👍👍
Twitch era is over.🎉
kick ftw f twich
i subscribed
I love streaming on kick
Keep up
I am moving from YT/twitch to kick. It is a nicer platform for my chat shows. No trolls over there, yet.
Bait
Are you one of these virtue signaling creators ? Every Sports League has gambling promoted throughout their entire games, some on the literal courts. It's not about kids it's about boys imitating men trying to virtue signal to their incel audience.
Do you even know what virtue signaling means? This is about as embarrassing as when people try turn "Snowflake" on assumed incels.
definitely made an account
My boy joining Adin Ross and the degenerate gamblers
Do you even Kick bro? @xmilitaryman
Only problem is. As a small streamer. I make money on ads. Kick doesn’t have ads. Kick says that they help the small guy but they have the same crap algorithm as twitch. It’s non existent. I find it easier to gain followers on twitch than kick.
-RealKeytones
Kick is adding ads and u make more money off of subs not ads
I have already made a kick account. Not just to watch my favorite streamers but to begin my stream their as well. Although Adin Ross may seem "how he seems" He mostly does it for content and that is a smart marketing strategy as thats one of the reasons he has such a large following. And with TrainWreck, he is also a smart level headed man. Not only do I believe Kick will outshine Twitch, but if Kick goes under and fails, I see TrainWreck helping out every single creator that listened to him and joined Kick. I see a future with this platform and I believe me along side many other small streamers who I can relate to, can make this platform one of the best the internet has ever seen. Not only that, but Kick is fair. Twitch is a snake who mistreated some of their biggest streamers and took them for rot. It is spoiled. Kick is brand new, and if there are gonna be problems? We may not see them for a long long time as right now, no problems can even grow or erect. I look forward to the people who follow me on this journey to Kick. Please support my quest as I journey to the all unkown on kick.com/trizumisafk
I look forward to seeing you there
take care my fellow brotheren