Delonghi's Best Budget Home Espresso Machines: Stilosa vs Dedica vs ECP 3420
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
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In this video, we look at Delonghi Dedica EC685, the Delonghi Stilosa, and the Delonghi ECP3420 (a.k.a. ECP 35.31). We compare pressure of their brew groups, espresso extraction temperature curves, and cappuccino workflow of each machine, to determine a winner for the best bang for your buck! Which one comes out on top for espresso, milk steaming, and ergonomics? Which one provides the best value overall? Which one should win the space in your countertop? Keep watching to find out! Check out the full reviews below:
Full Reviews: 1) • Delonghi Dedica Home E... 2) • Delonghi Stilosa EC260... 3) • Delonghi ECP 3420 REVI...
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1st Place!
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2nd Place!
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3rd Place!
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:10 Comparing Delonghi's budget offerings
6:53 15 bars, really?!
10:24 Stilosa vs ECP: What's the difference?
11:35 Temperature checks
14:11 Stilosa Workflow
17:03 ECP 3420 Workflow
18:52 Dedica EC685 Workflow
20:41 Conclusion: best bang for buck?
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Budget Espresso Machine Comparison: Delonghi Stilosa vs Dedica vs ECP 3420 - Навчання та стиль
Thanks for watching, comments welcome! Look in the video description for links to the machines and accessories.
Check out the full reviews below:
Dedica: ua-cam.com/video/G-GeZ9fbajw/v-deo.html
Stilosa: ua-cam.com/video/tJDmF3zl0ug/v-deo.html
ECP 3420: ua-cam.com/video/au92VvBYLrA/v-deo.html
How does the ecp compare to the gevi?
The temperature measurements are in Celcius right ? just below boiling point ?
So is the only difference mechanically between a ECP and a Stilosa the shower head /shower screen design , kind of a deal breaker on the Silosa if your going for max optimization ? tks
Tom great videos you are putting out, raising the bar of quality! Keep it up!
Thanks for you make this video to show difference between ECP and Dedica. It's so helpful to me.
On the internet, only you show the highest pressure of these espresso machine. You are so professional. Thanks again.
I also watched your other video that ECP with non-pressurized basket, it's so helpful to me too.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for your feedback :)
A very nice comparison between these DeLonghi's! It seems like the boiler equipped ones are the best bang for your buck right now :). And as always, a great contribution to the coffee community from your videos!
Great job, Tom!
Hi Tom. Great video! I look forward to new comparisons with Dedika.
I’m brand new to making espresso at home but I absolutely love my stilosa.
I join u in this adventure man !
Great video! I have been considering getting my future wife an espresso machine for Christmas and I think you just sold me on the ECP 3420!
Leaving a comment for algos, and thank you again.
I was looking for reviews of the Dedica as I was hesitating between it and the Gaggia classic pro, and finally this review and your Dedica/Classic pro comparison, you made me go for the ECP.
And it was quite a bargain as many people look for newer things and there are a bunch of good deals to find for the ECP. I had mine in almost new condition for 40€, leaving me a nice budget to mod it. For about the price of a second hand Classic pro my ECP has its fair chances to beat it when I'll be done modding. ^^
Results are already beyond my expectations, and my coffee addicted buds and neurons thank you a thousand times.
That's awesome - thanks much for sharing!
I have a soft spot for the ECP3420, it was my first machine and I added a rancilio steam wand to it. Absolutely great place to begin your espresso rabbit hole.
Heck yeah, totally agree! It is my favorite budget machine to use.
I even would say: “Espresso Marketing rabbit hole”
My first one too and still use it. One of my friends bought the same model after he drunk my espresso and I explained to him that is not really the coffee is more the machine and now he has all kind of accessories lolz
Thank you Tom! I come to this video because I was interested in Stilosa. But I purchased ECP3420 just now after watching your video. I highly believe that it suits my need and it's the perfect machine for me.
Awesome, enjoy your machine!
Thank you Tom! Just got myself the ECP after watching your video. Into the blackhole of coffee I go!
Thanks for the video Tom!
Danke für die ausführliche Bewertung. Die 3531 wird meine neue Espresso Maschine.
Awesome video, thoroughly enjoyed watching, thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for posting feedback! Tom
Thank you so much! What an informative video! I haven’t used my dedica for a year bec im so ignorant of these things. Im inspired to use it now and buy other tools to use it better now. Thanks tom!
Glad it was helpful, enjoy your machine!
Thanks Tom. I got an ECP 3630 recently and I'm having a blast. Delonghi rocks. Thanks for all the details.
Hi! does it have the same shower head as the 3420?
Cuál es mejor
@@justinbouchard Yes, it does.
@@ceciliaaliaslacorunda7017 I really don't know. I only have the one machine.
@@stevefulgione4231 thanks!!
thank you so much, for a newbie like me, it save my life
Thank you tom, i made up my decision, im going to buy ecp3531... since my current one is china branded CM3020 and happened to stop heating now, idk why but im going to change now.. im thinking about ecp3531, but notice dedica and stilosa, luckily u got the review... im going to get one now
Thank you Tom!
Thank you Tom for this breakdown! I confess I am one of those who have written off these '15 bar appliances' for making coffee. The insight to the actual brew pressure is game-changing. Also, did not realize the cheaper ones were single boilers. Now I'm thinking about getting one to play around. Cheers!
I just purchased an "open-box" Stilosa off e-bay for $50. At that price, you just can't go wrong, and it does produce an excellent brew. I once owned a higher-end machine with its own water supply. It took 15 minutes to get to temperature and it just was not practical for me to leave it on all the time for a couple of espresso's each day. I eventually sold it because it was taking up counter space and I switched to French press.... until I got the Stilosa, which can crank out a nice shot within a couple minutes of being turned on.
@@SunriseLAW 1-2min to get up to temp in amazing for early mornings! How close did the Stilosa espresso quality get to that commercial machine's in your case?
@@zammie01 The Stilosa produces a better brew, probably because of the 'closed portafilter'. That takes away the guesswork. Also, the Stilosa uses less coffee. It is easy to assume that a $500 - $1000 machine should be better than a $50 plastic machine but it really isn't. How awesome? I fine-ground some already ground FOLGERS (in a can:):) and it produces a decent shot with impressive crema. Yes, I have real espresso but was amazed what it did with the Folgers :):)
Your videos helped me decide what machine I wanted . My old machine didn't allow me to use a bottomless portafilter so I went for the Stilosa. I am still learning and grinding is still a challenge because I can't afford a good one and the Kingrinder I got is messy and had to do for every time I make fresh shots for my lattes. I did learn about coffee and now I get better beans and great flavor from the little machine. When my skills and equipment improve I'll get a higher end model. For now I am getting good coffee from the Stilosa. Thanks for all the information on all your videos.
Thanks very much for your feedback, Jennifer! Have fun and happy coffee drinking! Tom
I have stilosa also and I am beginner which kingrinder you have?
Hey Tom amazing video and always big thanks for the effort.
one question, how much milk did you use to steam on the dedica?
Thanks and have a great day!
Hi there! I'd say about 150-175ml. I can measure it out and let you know later. I just always fill up to just under the lip.
got stilosa and upgraded using non press portafilter. The result is amazing, way better than many esspresso cafe here in Greece. Keep the good work Sir!
Happy to hear it!
Best review ever. And the best coffee cannel.
That's super kind of you to say, thank you!
Thanks for the video
Great review! I've had my Stilosa for about 6 months and have been fairly happy it, especially after switching to bottomless portafilter and removing the panarello. In the video you suggest waiting 10-15 seconds before steaming milk, does this mean one should wait 10-15 secs after the light comes on before steaming milk?
No, it means to actually not wait for the light to come on. The reason is, because if you wait for that, then the boiler has stopped heating, and therefore stopped producing steam. So you will quickly void the boiler of the steam, and it takes quite a while for it to get back up to temperature, and therefore pressure, and therefore more steam. The effect I'm referring to is like hysteresis. It's better just to flip the switch, wait 15 seconds, purge, and start steaming! Then you'll have steam the whole time, since it will never stop heating.
thank for the video, finally i ordered 35.31 for my first espresso machine 👍
How do you like it so far?
@@budjoh1 its great, i like this machine ...
Great comparison which helped me down the path to purchasing the 35.31! My first espresso machine and I am enjoying it so much. Thank you Tom. But I recently bought the DL200NT shower screen you show in the video @10:52 and cannot get it to flow as evenly as yours.
The water mainly comes out of the 5 or 6 centre dispersion points, not near the edges. Any tips or ideas to get the flower to come out of the shower screen more evenly?
You rock Tom!!!
Thank you so much Tom for the very well-explained video, especially for beginners like myself. I am wondering if you may have tried/review the Delonghi ECZ351BG.
I am guessing that's going to be similar to the Stilosa or ECP. Seems to be with their little boiler.
Thank you Tom. Really appreciate it 💯💯💯 i bought the EC260 and I cant wait to try it
nice! i have de ECP and it works great indeed!
I LOVE my ECP3420 I just want to recommend it to all my friends!!!
Heck yeah! It's may go to for this price range as well!
I own an ECP for 2years and I believe tom. It pulls delicious chocolatey espresso all the time. Totally worth it.
Heck yeah, very nice!
I have the 420. It’s good but I do want to upgrade soon. Can you do another video of stepped up machines ? Maybe $500 range
Really appreciate your in depth videos on really affordable espresso machines cause other coffee content creators only create content for hyped up and relatively expensive equipment. Hopefully we can get cheap grinders review soon 🙏 Would also like to ask your insight on these, in terms of espresso quality, Flair Signature vs delonghi ecp? Those two are at the same price range here in the Philippines.
Thank you. Which grinders were you thinking? I love the design and price of Flair, but I do find it cumbersome to preheat the chamber, which is super important to not having a too cold extraction. Therefore, I really like the ECP in that comparison.
@@TomsCoffeeCornerthanks for the insight, sir Tom! Would you say I could get good quality espresso shots, that are good drinking on its own even without milk, on the advance mode delonghi ecp even with light to medium roast beans?
Wow, this video was incredibly helpful! 🙌 Thank you so much for sharing such high-quality content. Your detailed explanation really made a difference for me. This video has been a lifesaver in my quest for the perfect BUDGET coffee machine! ☕💡
By the way, I'm based in Europe, and I've been eyeing the DeLonghi ECP 31.21. However, I noticed there's also the ECP 3420(3531) model available. They look almost identical! 🤔 Do you happen to know if there are any significant differences between the two? Your expertise would be greatly appreciated! Keep up the fantastic work! 🌟
Go for the ECP 35.31, since it has a much better drip tray. I hate the drip tray on the 31.21, lol, because the cups are wobbly on it. Cheers!
Dideca user and luv it
Thank you tom..after i see this video I buy one and I'm excited to try it when delivering to me.. but i think the name deferent the machine i ordered the name is delonghi ecp35.31 i think they are same but different name from continent to another.. thanks again
Fantastic video, Tom.. I would have been swayed to get the ECP instead of the Dedica if I had seen this before I bought mine but so far, I am very pleased with my Dedica. I have a Dedica and a Sage/Breville Bambino and also a Bambino Plus ( at different locations) and my least favourite one to use, by far, is the Bambino which is definitely inferior to the Bambino Plus. I would have bought another Dedica instead of the Bambino if I had to buy again. My first , very cheap, Delonghi machine lasted well over a decade and still pulled good shots but was rusting out.. These videos do help people a lot ,Tom- good work!
Can you share what do you dislike about the Bambino vs the other two?
@@Yirgamalabar The Bambino is not as user friendly as the other two and it feels like Breville/Sage cut as many corners as they could to get it to certain price point Everything about it is a step down from the Bambino Plus including the ergonomics. Saying that, if I did not have the experience of the other two machines, the Dedica and the Plus. , I probably would be okay with it but also would soon outgrow it and immediately would need to buy a proper tamper ( the included one is lightweight plastic) and a decent portafilter . The portafilter included in the Bambino is of a much cheaper quality than what comes with the Plus although they look the same in photos..... If you were choosing between the basic Bambino and the Dedica EC685 , I would say get the Dedica and look for a sale price, I regret buying the Bambino and did consider replacing it with the Dedica after I had spent time with both machines. Two things the Dedica has that the the Bambino ( as well as the Plus) lacks is dedicated on/off switch and a steam/water lever - both make the user experience better (imo) Hope that helps you to decide if you are planning to purchase. If the budget allows, get the Bambino Plus as it is the nicer machine to use, overall. but you will also be happy with the Dedica for less money. I love my silver one and it looks great on the counter top! I did buy a nice tamper and a bottomless portafilter for each machine and that really does make a big difference.
@@chryseass.5143 Thank you for the detailed answer!
@@Yirgamalabar Glad to help. It really was hard to decide without hands on experience! Tom's videos and also Coffee Kev's helped me a lot! Just a side note- the two Brevilles use a 54mm portafilter and the Dedica use a 51mm size.
@@chryseass.5143hi. I'm still undecided on which machine to get and Tom's videos are a huge help. Do you know if the Bambino machines (either) can use ESE pods? Their site suggests not but I would have thought a replacement portofilter perhaps and pod basket combo would work? My wife needs an ESE compatible machine for decaf and speed so I'm edging towards Dedica 885 (for improved wand) but really like the Bambino's. Thanks
Thanks for your insights, very very useful. I love your no-nonsense, enthusiast but not smug/snob approach to coffee. As a coffee lover, but not an hobbyist, it really helped me to make a choice.
I was wondering what are you thoughts about pairing the De'Longhi ECP3420 with the Bodum Bistro Electric Burr Coffee Grinder, an entry budget electric burr grinder that seems to do the job according to some reviews ?
Thanks much for your feedback! The Bodum has stainless steel burrs, which is good. But, I would stick to a more reputable manufacturer, known for grinders. Maybe consider the Baratza ESP or Fellow Opus as good cheaper options.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thank you so much for your help. I'll check them out for sure !
love the content! thank you. why is the ecp3630 so much cheaper online? is there something bad about it then the 3420? are the overstocked because its not as good as the 3420? i have also found conflitcting information about single wall vs double wall for the stilosa vs 3420/3630? any reason not to get the 3630 over the 3420? thanks
Very nice review. Thank you.
I have been using a dedica for 8years. And because of your review(and design), I want to change to ECP. Is it worth it?
I usually drink mid-dark roasted espresso.
I think when your Dedica craps out, yes go ahead and try the ECP to notice the difference, and if you prefer the full manual control. Cheers!
hi, tom, can you also do a comparison between the delonghi, breville with some of the cheaper china brands, eg the gemilai. I heard good things about it, reasonable cost , yet able to do the job....
Tip for hot espresso with Dedica EC685: 1. Program a third (highest) level of temperature (User Manual); 2. Before dialing the coffee, you need to preheat the brew group - pull the water two times (double espresso button); 3. Voila! Now you can brew your hot espresso.
I fill a yogurt tub with very hot water, then set the portafilter in while I grind the beans.
I have an ECP 31.21 with a custom Arduino thermostat, a bottomless portafilter and a rancilio steam wand. In my opinion, this is the best home coffee machine under 500$. The espresso it makes is incredible. The temperature is very stable - about 92-93°.
Cheers! 😊
Oh my gosh, that sounds awesome! Would you mind sharing your parts list? Do you have a PID on it, or a full blown Gagguino?
Would love to also know that parts list 👀
I will go for dedica since I cannot drink very hot coffee since I have a sensitive tongue
I’d be curious to see a comparison between the ECP and the Breville Café Roma. Similar look and same price: 200CAD.
Hello Tom I have a dedica ec685 but I think the water is not going out with enough force, can I send you a video of how the water flows? And second question it’s a downgrade if I move to the ecp3420 in case the dedica has problems? Regards
Super awesome job with this video!! I feel like more people that are getting into "fancy" coffee are in the budget for machines like this and sub $400 currency. Helping people make a decision purchasing something that is "cheap" will keep garbage out of landfills for sure. Almost all these "cheap" machines operate in a similar way. I feel strongly that De'Longhi is honestly smashing it out of the park taking everything about "fancy" coffee into consideration. I had no idea that ECP had such a different shower screen!!! Imma for sure be buying that machine now and changing my gaggiuino set up from my stilosa onto that purely for that reason lol.
For me I also agree that the 3 way solenoid valve is kind of just a selling feature that isn't necessary. I literally don't even use my drip tray. I hate cleaning more things than necessary. A 3 way release valve for pressure after pulling a shot makes so much more cleanup outside the machine and forces you to have to descale and thoroughly clean the internals of the water system because it's very much so pulling coffee back through the system when it opens up. I swap cups when my shot or spro over is done to catch the drips and use a puck screen every time for everything. My machine is so clean and I never have to "clean" it.
Heck yeah Justin, I totally agree with you, especially about the omitted 3 way valve. On the Delonghis, the pucks knock out cleaner, and there's no 3 way valve water circuit to have to clean. I do the same thing, just let the drips go into a swapped espresso glass. Easy peasy.
I do also think that these budget offerings from Delonghi can provide a nice espresso, with good beans and a capable grinder. Heck, with these I have often gotten better shots than at a fancy cafe, where the baristas are not paying attention to their ratios or tamping.
Cheers! Tom
I'd be quite excited to see a Gagguino mode with the ECP. Let me know how it goes!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Might be until the end of the year before it happens but I'm for sure doing it lol. Gaggiuino works well on my stilosa :)
Tom and Justin, Thank you both so much for your contributions on these budget ECP type machines!! Being very low budget I started looking at used Gaggia Classic after a Hoffman video, but those are so $$$ in the states. Then almost got a new Dedica, but after watching Tom's videos and seeing the mods that Justin did, I got a used ECP 3120 for $35. Cut off the pressurized portafilter to make it bottomless, a Hugh basket and a cheap dimmer mod to pre infuse. Think I will upgrade shower screen next. It makes wonderful espresso and latte, the artist still needs practice though! It is all manual, but I don't find that any problem, rather enjoyable actually. Would love to try Justin's gaggiuino mod, but I'm happy where I am. Maybe if I find another cheap second hand ECP! lol
Agree on the 3 way solenoid, my pucks are dry and so easy to knock out. Only exception is if you are pulling back to back shots and not steaming any milk the puck doesn't have time to drip/dry out and it is a bit soupy. I follow the same workflow with a drip cup and never have to touch the drip tray.
Thank you both again for sharing your knowledge!!
@@davidmorrison2694 This makes me so happy!!!! I'm super glad you found your way to good coffee for yourself on your budget :D
I'm kinda lazy so I like how the gaggiuino mod kind of just makes my coffee for me now, especially since I added a stop on weight feature to it.
Tons of love from Canada :)
Hi Tom, thanks again for your informative videos. Entertaining and useful at the same time.
I right now have the dedica, but If I want to use them to have a long running shot (about 35-40 seconds) for 36ml, I kind of stale and shut of maybe due to too much pressure?
As the other 2 machines are manual ones (turnable knob), do this machines also turn off automatically in case of too slow flow rate, or can I pull longer shots with this ones for lighter roasts for instance.
Thanks,
Coldy
Hi Coldy. The ECP and Stilosa are manual, meaning that you have to stop the extraction yourself, giving you full control. Cheers!
Awesome video! How does the ECP33.21 compares to the 3420 (35.31)? I can't seem to find a 3420 in my country, but I see this 33.21 instead. Is it a worse version?
33.21 is more plasticy, and a crappier drip tray. Otherwise the same.
Hi Tom, It's been a while. As always, thank you for another great video that's chuck full of great information!
So... what model digital "Rode" camera is in that video and have you posted any review of it anywhere?
Be well, and thanks again.
Hello there! Which Rode do you mean? Do you mean the wireless mic?
No, I meant the model of digital camera seen on your counter and how that might compare to the Sony Alpha series of digicams. @@TomsCoffeeCorner
@@SpartacusDog I used a Canon M50 for most of my videos, and am currently switching to a C200 for the better image and features. I have also used the Sony a6000 and a6300. Those gave great images, but I hated the video containers - terrible for editing, at least for me.
OK & thank you Tom. I want to uprgade from my Sony Alpka 5100 and may get a 6300. I shoot mostly stills anyway.
Btw, that sure looks likw a Rode Digicam on your counter @ the 10:30 video-mark. Thanks again.
@@SpartacusDog Ah, now I know. That is the Canon M50 with Rode Wireless Go mic attached. Cheers!
In the video you mention using a Neouza portafilter. The link below the video directs to a Ladieshow. Which would you recommend for the ECP? For both I read reviews of people complaining about leakage on the sides in combination with Delonghi machines. What is your experience?
Thanks for doing all these great videos! I’m about to do some investing based on your recommendations:)
Thanks for the heads up. I know and prefer Neouza, but sometimes they have issues with keeping things in stock. I have switched the link back to Neouza. I've never had any issues with their PFs, which I've used on the ECP, Sage, etc.
I have an ECP3420 thanks to you and am enjoying it for an inexpensive set up at my vacation home. I have one question though. You say that you always get a nice dry puck from yours. I always have a puddle on top of my puck. Maybe I’m grinding my grounds too fine? Just wondering what you think.
Depends on your beans, your grind, and dose amount. I measure out 16 grams, which is just the right amount for my IMS basket.
Nice video, Tom! I've been thinking about buying the ECP3420 especially after watching your videos about it, but I have a question. (Alert - I'm a complete noob) I have drank coffees but not much of them have the crema that this machine can make. Is the taste concentrated there and once you drink the crema the coffee gets kind of "watery"? Cause it looks delicious! Sorry for the stupid question, I can't make up my mind only by the video :)
Well, crema is an indicator of fresh beans. But it does add to the taste through texture. Have fun deciding!
I wonder if rewiring the heating element to come on during the extraction to offset some of the thermal sink from the incoming cold water might solve the temperature drop you are seeing in your extraction. I may try that when I perform the modification on my ECP.
Hey Michael, that could be interesting. That's also why some people do temperature surfing, waiting for the light to just go off, before pulling a shot, so that it's heating the duration of the shot. Cheers!
Dear Tom,
I am looking for my first espresso machine. I've been looking at Delonghi machines for a while now. Your video was very informative, thank you very much. You absolutely convinced me that I need the ECP3420 type machine.
Could you help me find the European model number of the ECP3420 machine in white? I saw that the ECP 35.31 type only exists in black. Thank you!
I don't think they offer the ECP in white in Europe. Sorry!
Hi Tom, I really appreciate the videos that you do especially from a technical point of view that you can bring.
I'm looking for my first espresso machine and I think that I will go for the ECP thanks to your reviews about it.
I have few questions regarding that machine:
Is there a way to keep th machine turned of for like 15-20 min without changing the power button with what you recommended on another video ? (maybe turning the machine on and off quickly or using the machine for few seconds) This question mainly because I would prefer to avoid to loose the guarantee.
Do you had some issues over the time ? Because I saw that some people had some problems after 1-2 years
Do you recommend spending a little extra on an additional guarantee?
p.s. You are doing a great job with this videos 👋
Hi there! Where are you located? The USA for example does not have the auto turn off feature. I have not had any issues, and I think this machine should last 5 years easy, provided you descale regularly. I generally don't buy extended warranties on products. I've been lucky so far. Cheers! Tom
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Hi 👋
Thanks for answering
I'm located in France so probably I will have to face this little thing.
Good to know that all works fine for yours 👍👍
Best Bang For Your Buck!
Just ordered my Dedica.. due to partner acceptance factor! :)
Right on!
Thanks for the comparison, Tom. Is the ECP 31.21 produce as good espresso as the 3420? Thanks
It's the same machine besides the housing. Cheers!
I just purchased the Dedica 685 and this video was very helpful . I was looking for the accessories and apparently the recommended IMS screen shower is not aviable on Amazon, any recommended replacement will be welcomed.
The shower screen has been out of stock for a while, but it should come back...
I love this review, but, doesnt the dedica have 3 settings for temperature? I think u only used the first setting, which should be 90-92 degree, on 2nd setting it should be 93 degree and slowly go down. Also, to get to these temperatures instead of 85-90, u can pre-extract 2 times, to get the machine more hot
Thanks for this thorough comparison between ec and Stilosa. After watching your video yesterday, I made the decision and ordered the ec3630, which was on sale. It arrived today (I am on free a one-day delivery trial apparently) and the espresso is effortlessly creamy (I intend to get a two-ear bottomless all the same).
What I am really surprised to see is the rubber-like plastic frother inside the pannarello housing.
Do you have any suggestions for a metal nozzle replacement?
No, not really. There is a metal nozzle you can get, but it still gets mounted to the plastic part of the wand. Otherwise, you could replace the whole wand for a SS one from Rancilio. I have videos on that.
Hey Tom, great video!! I wonder what kind of aftermarket shower screen would you recomend for better distribution for Stilosa. Thanks. Cheers! ☕️
Hi there! Justin uses the same IMS shower screen on his Stilosa, but I am not sure if he had difficulties fitting it: www.youtube.com/@justinbouchard/videos
@justinbouchard
Lovely
Hi Tom, great video !
I am a little confused about boiling water flow 🙄 I want to use the machine also to make tea so do both of them pour enough hot water to make tea as well?
You can, but it's not super hot. A water kettle is honestly your best bet for tea.
Hey Tom, I'm really getting a lot of good info from your videos. Thanks.
I got a DeLonghi ECP3630 recently and it very similar to the 3420. I want to get a bottomless portasfilter for it. I really can't find one that says it's for the 3630 although there are plenty for the 3420. I'll bet they're the same since bothj are 51mm, 2 ear. Do you think that'll work Ok and where do you suggest picking one up? Thanks in advance.
Yes, they are the same brew group. The ECP3630 just has more metal on the housing, as I understand it. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Cool, thanks Tom.
Tom, do you think you can get better Dedica results perhaps by preheating the portafilter in a cup of boiled water before making coffee? I've been thinking about trying it after watching your videos on the ECP 3420 vs Dedica comparison and the heated brewhead seems to make a big difference. But the time between loading your coffee grounds and hitting the on button on your machine's about 30 seconds or so. You could have it pretty hot.
Yes, that helps really for any non heated brew group machine. But I'd kinda recommend you use maybe an aftermarket portafilter - not sure about dunking aluminum in hot water repeatedly is the healthiest thing.
Hey! I purchased the plastic version of the bottomless portafilter, I had to twist it further over when positioning it in order for it to not leak and spray water out the sides, but I seem to be mostly able to contain that! What my issue I’m having is the creaminess of the shot! Mine has very little cream and more dark (possibly watery?) wondering what I should do! Thank you
Hello there! Yes, your beans are probably too old - or in other words roasted too long ago.
These videos may help:
How to extract the perfect espresso: ua-cam.com/video/piO6c695Op8/v-deo.html
How to Get Crema: ua-cam.com/video/00NSG9459a8/v-deo.html
Why Supermarket Coffee Beans are RUINING your Espresso! ua-cam.com/video/5BgMKqu8fJI/v-deo.html
I have an ECP3420 with a bottomless portafilter and ims basket, but no matter what I do I get very sour extractions! I’ve even ground a little finer while also pulling higher ratio shots, but still super sour!! Any suggestions?
Hmm, could be the beans. Are they a light roast? Also, how long do you let your machine pre-heat? I find mine is awesome after 15-20 minutes of pre-heating.
Hi Tom, how would you rate Breville bambino plus in this company ? My EC685 is on the edge of it's lifetime and I am thinking about next steps. I was thinking about Bartista Pro or something similar from Sage however as I already have a good grinder I am not sure if paying extra for one more integrated is worth.
Hi Michal, it depends on your market. In Europe, I'd go for the Lelit Grace next. Bambino Plus for me is a sidestep to the Dedica, as long as you were using the Dedica in advanced mode.
I have the Dedica machine. I preheat the brewgroup by resting it in very hot water in a empty yogurt tub.
Oops preheat portafilter in hot water
I bougt used stilosa that was dripping water - simple fix and i got working machine for 20 euro :) Its good enought for now ;)
Thank u so much for the video,it really helps a lot but i have a question now that we have the dedica ec885 what do u think would u still go for the ECP 35.31 ?!
Well, they're two different types of machines. If you already have the EC885, then stick with that one.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner no I don't have it am just asking if it's better than the ec685
Check the tab holder material. You can see plastics vs aluminum 1:30
All of the OEM portafilters have aluminum and plastic.
Hi, great comparison video.
I have the Dedecia but no matter which coffee ground I use, I am unable to get such high quality crema. I get more like a light crema on top.
Also what would be the ideal dosage of coffee and the brewing time for a single and a double shot?
Your valuable inputs are much appreciated.
Thank You
Hello there! Yes, your beans are probably too old - or in other words roasted too long ago.
These videos may help:
How to extract the perfect espresso: ua-cam.com/video/piO6c695Op8/v-deo.html
How to Get Crema: ua-cam.com/video/00NSG9459a8/v-deo.html
Why Supermarket Coffee Beans are RUINING your Espresso! ua-cam.com/video/5BgMKqu8fJI/v-deo.html
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thank you so much for the help and suggestions. 👍
Great video! I have a doubt, is the Ecp3420 similar to the Ecp33.21.R? I live in Italy and on De’longhi’s site and on Amazon I can’t find the 3420 model :(
In Europe, it's the ECP 35.31 model: amzn.to/44fFwb4
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thank you so much!
Hi Tom, just making sure, you said that the 51mm tamper was needed? Thanks
Yes, it's 51mm. Cheers
I would also prefer the ECP3420. Has larger shower screen too, but this model not available in South Africa, so 2nd option will have to be the Stilosa, but it has a smaller shower screen. Are there a larger screen available for this model or a mod.
Justin Bouchard fitted the IMS shower screen to his Stilosa, but I don't know if it was finicky or not...
Can you make cappuccino with these as well. I am also looking into mushroom coffee. I currently love a dunkin donuts caramel latte. Would the Dedica be good for me? I am fairly new to coffee machines.
I'd say the Dedica is the most user friendly of these, and yes it can make cappuccino.
Hi Tom, I appreciate your reviews. Im in the market for a budget friendly espresso machine. I've reviewed some of your videos but can't find anything on the delonghi ecp3630. Can I get your opinion (in comparison to the 3420? Also, if neither of these are ideal, if you can refer the best under $500.
Hi! The ECP3630 is the same as the ECP3420, but with metal sides. Cheers! Tom
Have you tried non popular brands like this one “Empstorm Espresso Machine 20 Ba” ? Would be nice to see an expert like you judging them
What do you grind the beans to on the bottomless portafilter? I had mine ground at the shop since I haven’t bought my own grinder yet.
The first time was fine, but the second time I had them ground I’m not getting any extraction unless I poke some holes with a toothpick. I’m guessing it’s ground too fine for the pressure, but I’m not sure. Any advice?
You really need your own grinder, in order to be able to adjust the grind accordingly. Cheers!
Hello @TomsCoffeeCorner !
Thank you for all your videos. I have always thought I needed more money than what I could justify before even attempting to do espresso. You have given me a path closer to my reality. I can't wait to make espresso for my friends and family!
And now I am torn between the ECP and the Dedica! You prefer the espresso form the ECP, but could you elaborate on the difference? Given the same coffee was it more sweet or less acidic/more bitter? It would help me decide u.u
Thank you again! Your presence as a coffee UA-camr is more than needed! Cheers!
There are sorts of coffee that you just wont be able to brew on dedica. You will get something sour, bitter, unpleasand.. Stilosa and ecp will brew it easily and it will be balanced and sweet. With temperature jumps dedica makes underextracted and overextracted tones for the same cup.
On the other side on fully manual mashines you can control everything - preinf time, flow, make tricks. Fill water tank with hot water and you get even better temperature stability
Additional Big Plus to stilosa is the most convinient drip tray of there three. Drip tray on dedica is so small it is a nightmare to work on.
@@alexandermashkin2395 Thank you for this! This is very helpful to understand why ECP/Stilosa are better. I get from this that all termoblock machines would be similar? O is the Dedica a worse implementation of that technology
Regardless, I appreciate the time you took to answer my doubts. I will try to look for a Stilosa. And eventually a very nice Manual machine, Like the Oddisey. Cheers!
Agreed!
Like Alexander mentioned below, the ECP and Stilosa have better heat. The brew groups and portafilters are heated from the boiler. I find those extractions sweeter and in general more balanced than those from the Dedica, or most other thermoblock machines for that matter. Cheers!
@@alemholas but if you are about Cappuccino only, go for dark roast brazil beans and dedica will work absolutely good! 😂🍾
Hola, disculpa una pregunta el porta filtro sin fondo de tu máquina ecp 3420 es compatible con la ecp3630? Agradecería tu respuesta!
Si. They are exactly the same machine, just the ECP has more metal on the housing.
my dedica same color as yours, the puck always can't come out as whole
I bought an ECP3630 after watching your videos on the ECP3420. They should be the same. What do you mean by being a bit too late at 4:17? you do not way for the green steam LED to be on when making a cappuccino. Why?
Because you want to keep the heater engaged. If you wait until the light, then the steam thermostat has been met, and it will take quite a while until it starts heating again. The steam won't last long enough for a whole cappuccino. If you start steaming earlier, before the thermostat is met, then you will have good steam power the whole time.
Hallo, thanks for the video, I was wondering about the delonghi dedica (i own one), and stop using it since a while cause for me it was very difficult to get consistent results on my espresso, I do not own a precision basket neither a bottomless porter filter (i guess its mainly for esthetics?)... I dont understand, mostly of the baristas that are on youtube are trushing this machine,... would you say it is a good option to just get a precision basket and modify the existing porter filter for it to fit and see if I like the results or should I sell this machine for a bargain and get a gaggia or something more adjustable? thanks again for your vid, looking forward for your reply (I own a comandante c40 mk4 handgrinder btw)
The C40 is a capable grinder. The Dedica punches above its weight, especially with a nice IMS basket. You can get a bottomless - it will help with diagnosing your shots.
You could also get a GCP, which is another machine that punches above its weight for its price. Nicer build, and more capability on espresso shots. Cheers!
Hey Tom, i am looking for my first espresso machine. I have to decide between the ECP 35.15 and the dedica 785. The ecp is 133 euro and the dedica 155 euro. The dedica model include the better tamper from the 885 model.
Which model should i choose and why? The automatic water flow on the dedica seems nice. But which one does make the better coffee?
For me the ECP makes better espresso, but the Dedica is also a nice machine and heats up faster. Good luck with your choice!
I guess, I'v already watched almost every video that you made about these machines and I´m assuming that the stilosa model is the same as the older BAR32 ( or in my country EC220). Am I right?
I think it's similar - maybe the same boiler, but different steam valve and steam wand, etc.
I am looking for a replacement for my EC155 which seems to be on its last legs. I really enjoyed the video and thought the ECP3420 seemed like a great option, but it is out of stock. Should I consider the Stilosa, the ECP3220 or the ECP3630?
I replaced the 155 with the stilosa. 90 € ,about a year ago, same machine inside, think, changed the portofilters. , it gets hot like the old machine, since I don't make more than 5 coffees a week, with ese pots (single dose) I always have fresh coffee, tastier, which is strange cause the nespressos reminded me of canned in taste, and I assumed the same is will be with ese, but no
I got a ECP3420 here at Target and after the first couple days, the performance got worse and worse. We tried different grounds to see if it would make a change. Before 30 days, I gave up trying as I’ve done and tried all the tips. Annoying too was that the puck always came out with grounds intact but the espresso thing (opera filter? went into the uses grounds bowl.
Sorry to heat that!
Kann es sein, dass es bei der Dedica a gewisse Serienstreuung in Sachen Temperatur gibt? Vielleicht haben die auch was im Laufe der Produktionsjahre geändert. Weil bei dem Dedica Test auf dem Kaffeemacher Kanal heißt es, dass die Temperatur eher viel zu hoch ist. Nun hab ich keinen goldenen Gaumen, aber bin bei mir von der höchsten auf die mittlere Stufe gegangen und finde, der Espresso schmeckt jetzt weniger scharf.
Servus! Ich denke, es ist schwierig die Resultate von Kaffeemacher und von mir zu vergleichen. Wir haben wahrscheinlich beide anders gemessen. Und, ich gebe zu dass mein Messgeraet leider etwas drunter misst, wie es sollte, ungefaehr 4 Grad. Die Messungen sollen zeigen, wie der Verlauf ist von dem Bezug. Ich hoffe, dass das hilft. Gruss! Tom
Fairly easy to add xmt7100 pid to the stilosa or ecp for better and modifiable temp control. Even adding Gaggiuino type arduino mod is possible.
That would be sweet!
Is the cone shaped nozzle a spare part to buy or is it already inside the Stilosa? Thanks!
The nozzle is just what's underneath the metal panarello.
5:30 how come the manual machines do not have pre-infusion? They have everything: pre-infuse, post-infuse you name it.
I noticed when you were testing the temperature that the porta filter was leaking is that always an issue wi the these machines?
It was just leaking a tiny bit down the side of the temp probe, since I snuck it between the group head gasket and portafilter lip.
Could you use the larger screen from the ECP in the Stilosa?
I've seen someone do it, but I am not sure it's a great fit...
Hey Tom, I've been using my ECI.341 for over 6 months now, and have swapped many stock parts out like you - using a IMS shower screen, basket, and a naked portafilter for better extraction. (My tamp is actually the DL2TH24E unlike yours which is H26). Nonetheless, over time I realized that my (official) delonghi tamp does not exactly fit the IMS basket when I dose out 15g of Ethiopian single origin (light roast), which would be on the lower end of the suggested range, i would have to tamp multiple times to ensure the sides are clean by leaning to 2-3 other different sides as I tamp the coffee again. I was wondering if you happen to have this same issue on your end?
It helps to have a slightly larger tamper, like a 51.5mm from Normcore for example.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Curiously, do you know if the Ikape tamper that you included in your description measure 51.5mm? Or does the one you used in your video measure 51.5mm?