Jason Todd’s story is probably one of the darkest in the DC Universe, when Jason pointed that gun up Batman’s chin, he didn’t even do anything try and stop it, because he knows he deserves it,
He moved his hand out of the way in the next frame and no, he didn’t deserve it. Jason hates Batman because he thinks he left him to die and gave up, when it was Joker who tricked Batman.
@Spider-Man well if this universe tim did what comics tim did its not exactly batman fault he never wanted another Robin but due to dick using moves only the flying Graysons would know as Robin tim essentially black mailed batman into making him his robin.
@@puravnotpurabthats under the redhood comic red hood. In arkham asylum joker totured him for two years and began to psychologically rip jason apart and allowed rogues in bat suits to beat on him until he broke. He eventually killed some of them escaped with deathstroke. He hates batman and plays to kill due to the fucked up psychosis he suffered from joker plus the feeling of abandonment he felt after Bruce replaced him. Comics Jason is only slightly insane and mentally fucked up. Arkham Jason is fully insane,and it took batman words to snap him out of it and as you seen in his dlc he is still unhinged
@@mr.raikage164 I mean, yes that’s what happened, couldn’t agree more, but the thing is batman did try to find Jason and save him, he couldn’t though seeing as the joker kept running and kept taking Jason everywhere, hence how Batman couldn’t find Jason and not to mention the joker 🃏 showing robin a picture of Tim and Bruce, red hood was simply tricked and had all this rage built from the abuse to the “betrayal” in quotes because batman basically didn’t do shit to deserve what he got. Which was a blood seeking vigilante and a already insane jester also trying to kill him.
The fact that jason said if anyone hurts Barbara he'll kill them still proves that Jason hasn't changed and he'll do anything to not hurt his loved ones
Surprised he didn't say anything about her paralysis. She was still Batgirl when the Joker kidnapped him. I imagined he would blame Bruce for what Joker did to Barbara as well.
@@leviking564 Paralyzed her by shooting her, stripped her naked and then took pictures of her naked to parade in front of her father to try and drive him insane.
9:54 The kid who was raised on the street, who’s mother abandoned him at a young age. Now cries to her for help, that is fucking haunting. Jason has mentioned sometimes that he hated his mother, so hearing him call to her in a moment of desperation hurts. I also like that after being called Robin he started getting emotional, his life became so happy when he first became Robin. Hearing it again must throw his mind into a spiral.
I mean, in the comics him mom sold him out to the Joker and still expected him to save her from the bomb after she watched him get beaten within and inch of his life with a crowbar
Really thinking about it, imagine you're in the same place for about two whole years and the person you've been hoping to save you has been putting criminals in the same area night. You've been getting beaten and tortured every day within the same building. No wonder Jason thinks batman abandoned him, he's been right under his noes for two years and the worlds greatest detective couldn't figure that out until years later.
Your definitely like Batman putting the pieces together as to where Jason Todd was being kept and tortured in Arkham. World's Greatest Detective you are.
@Cobra Kai He didn’t find Jason, Jason was mad Batman never killed joker so he went to do it himself but failed to do so and got captured by the joker then been tortured for almost 2 years. I’m sure thats what happened but I could be wrong
The fact that Jason hated him mom but also called for her when he was getting tortured was soo sad because he knew Batman was never gonna find him this is the one of the rare examples of Batman getting outsmarted it’s truly sad
this is the point where Batman was actually horribly wrong and Jason was actually right about killing the Joker. it just proved that Batman is actually a glorified mentally ill person that has a man crush with The Joker. knowing that killing Joker will not make him The Batman anymore since he will lose his perfect counterpart or being an absolute mentally ill person that he is. he could've easily kill The Joker to stop all of the crimes in Gotham and to permanently strike the heart of the criminal with a permanent fear but he let him live to murder people and to torture people like what he have done to Jason.
The problem with Batman's ideals is that it costs a lot of people their lives and brings suffering and pain. People forget that Batman is still a law breaking vigilante, he dresses up in a bat suit and beats up criminals, which is awesome. The non killing thing is his preference, totally understandable. But when demented killer like Joker runs around and Batman allows him to live knowing that if he gets loose he'll butcher more people, that's on him too. It's the knowing what would happen but not doing anything about it is bothersome enough. At least let Jason take him out. If Batman is unwilling to do that, let someone else who's not afraid to do what needs to be done for the greater good?
Batman rule is because his parents were murdered and killing is murder. Batman rule is because batman is insane. He is not normal. He's just as insane as joker. And if batman kills. He will become the most dangerous person in gotham.
@@Aivottaja It is when he devotes his entire life to literally stopping demented criminals. He made a promise to himself that he would clean up the streets of Gotham and protect the innocent when he hasn't done any of those things. By not killing these sick monsters he's purposefully allowing them to torture, rape, and murder innocent people.
@@controlman7490 Yes, he devoted *his* life - never anyone else's. Quote from Gotham Knight after a bullet shield he used almost killed a criminal: "I'm willing to put my life on the line to do what I have to. But it has to be mine - no one else's". Now, obviously this quote doesn't fare well for his sidekick children, but that's a different topic. He's not allowing anything. He's doing all he can within his code to put these people away. He's already patching the failures of the corrupt system by rounding them up as a vigilante. He has no obligation to be an illegal executioner for the state as well.
The fact that The Joker tortured Batman’s sidekick (an orphaned child) and did more evil stuff to him and Batman still wouldn't break the no kill rule makes me wonder if Bruce even cares about his robins or anyone else that helps him for that matter.
The reason Batman still refused to it's because Batman is a psychopath not joker level but near enough he'd go out dressed as a bat and beat the shit out of criminals if batman were to just shoot the joker he knows he would be the same as him a murderer if a man kills a killer the number of killers stays the same if Batman killed the joker the joker would win as his main goal is to prove everybody is breaks even the Batman and then if the Batman kills he knows that he could never stop himself from doing it again effectively making the joker always apart of Batman if he ever killed
Clearly he cares about them but jokers ultimate end goal is to break the bat. He wants, actually he NEEDS, to make Batman lose. The second Batman decides to lose control or finally kill the joker, he loses the fight and becomes the criminal he fights on a daily basis. How can he possibly call himself right for putting a murderer behind bars if he becomes a murderer himself. Batman would not be Batman if he killed his adversaries
Imagine being in like the creepiest place on earth with killers, Psychopaths, Corrupt Guards that are also against you, Being Tortured in an abandoned wing without much sleep, Can't take a poo, can't pee, or having to do those two things in your pants, Being all alone, waiting for Batman/Mentor/Father figure to save you, But nobody can hear you, being forced to sit in a bad posture with barbed wire around you, being punched by Callendar man 365+ times in the face do to leap year, Punched in the face by croc, Two-Face, and Bane?, hit by penguins cane, Slashed in the face by Zsaszs' Knives, Scarecrow injecting Fear toxin in you, So you're more terrified, And you're Mostly beaten by a guy who wears white makeup on his face, weird hair that's colored green, and always has a creepy smile on his face, and during all of that, You're also on drugs, a few of them, Joker Hits your face with a stick with a Really Really hot "J" on the end of it...it burns through the flesh on your cheek and leaves a scar, You barely eat, You eat rats and bugs, you're Just a teenager who's not even 18, You'd rather be dead, you're being told and shown that you've been replaced, so basically all hope is lost, you're Screaming at the top of your lungs, and nobody can hear you, even begging you're dead mother that you hated to Help you, And through it all You're being manipulated, by a clown, The creepy clown Laughs at you're pain, brutal non-stop torture, and suffering. "Worlds Greatest Detective My ass" -Jason Todd
Batman’s no kill rule is a good thing, what I don’t understand though is how each time the joker has been locked up, why do they instantly throw him in the asylum? There was no treating him. They should’ve instantly given him the death sentence therefore he’s gone and Batman doesn’t have to break his code
This Jason: "Why didn't you save me!? Who cares if you killed the Joker!" *Actual* Jason: "Bruce, I forgive you for not saving me. But why... why on God's Earth is HE [Joker] still alive!?"
Arkahmverse Jason had it even worse than Canon Jason. I mean, it's no picnic getting beaten with a crowbar and then blown up. But dollars to donuts that anyone would choose that over a year of torture.
@@Aivottaja You'd think if anyone could survive that, it would be a member of the Batfamily. Especially Jason. He's regarded as being the toughest in the family, besides maybe Cassandra (the 2nd Batgirl).
Not a lot of people know this much about what Jason Todd went through. They don't give him enough credit and I hope Joker is sent to the worst place in hell there is
I've been watching your other Jason Todd video for like six months now. Really great content! I'm happy you made this video and hope you continue to make more of them ☺️👌🏾
What did Peacemaker say? Plus Joker sent a video of Jason's "death" point blank from gun fire. Joker is a skilled manipulator as he made Harley Quinn who she is today and tricked Batman into believing that Clayface is The Real Joker.
Guy saw a video of Jason's face getting blown by a 72mm gun in a point blank range. Man if someone sent me a video of my dog getting shot at a point blank range I would like to think my dog's dead
No it is not…… injustice proves what happens when you go down that path and Bruce himself has said that’s why he doesn’t cause he wouldn’t be able to come back from that place
@Cobra Kai I don't think that Jay Jay will be killing anyone with real bullets. In the trailer he is using guns, yes, but he might be using rubber bullets. If that is the case, I like to think that it's to honor the moral code that Bruce trained him with.
The difference between Batman and Jason. . . is that while Bruce never truly knew what it feels like to ACTUALLY SURVIVE, Jason had nothing but his wits while growing up in the slums of Gotham. This actually reminds me of something from Metal Gear Rising Revengeance: "Suffering? What do you know of suffering? You never had to go hungry. To steal and kill, just to survive!" "But you did survive! With your own will, you took your own life back into your own hands." "And now, I'm going to take yours."
There's a moment in"The three Jokers" where bat girl and the red hood have Joker tied up waiting for batman to come. (In this comic there are 3 Jokers and we don't know which is the real one or if their clones or whatever.) Joker taunts Jason saying that he never cared about him. The only reason Joker did those things was his own sick way of trying to hurt batman. He only wanted to torture batman through Jason, knowing full well batman wouldn't kill him. Jason grows furious as Barbra (batgirl) tries to calm him. Joker concludes his statement by saying, *It was never about you.* Just then Jason snaps and shoots him directly in the head just feet away from him. There were still two Jokers, and there have been other Joker deaths, but this, this is my favorite.
The fact that Jason was tortured over the span of two years and during AA batman just missed Jason as seen in the video. Jason even shouting out for his mom is just disturbing and outright traumatizing to hear thank god theres no footage of that. I lost some/half of respect for joker for cutting kids up and sewing them and making harley torture Jason in a horrible way is disturbing to read. Jasons torture story is nothing but disturbing and traumatizing to hear and see. Batman knowing this and not killed Joker despite his morals of never kill anyone is still surprising. This story is one of the scariest and best.
Yeah you should watch Batman redhood it's an animated movie where the joker actually killed Jason via explosion after beating him with a crowbar Batman was there and tried to save him. He then went on to break every bone in the joker's body putting him in a full body cast Jason went on to murder numerous villains and the ending was still sad
To think that he was right with us right under our nose this whole freaking time for a whole nearly 2 years is just frustrating me so much, how TF did robin stand that?? It is so creepy
Man, I never read the comics but my heart is breaking for Jason. When I played Arkham vr, I had no idea that was Jason screaming....I can't imagine being tortured...
just imagine how much guilt and hatred he had for himself after getting captured because he decided to get to the joker by himself. just imagine how that would feel. thinking about what jason went through gives me goosebumps
Fantastic job bro 💯👏🏽 Nicely informative and in chronological order with the key moments in Jason Todd’s descent into Redhood . Not like all the other Jason Todd videos where their shit is all over the place . I hope that soon Hollywood recognizes that this Arc in the Batman will make a most def badass Movie !! 🎥🎞🦇 🃏
This was a great video, it answer some questions that I had about Jason Todd and "this". But one question remains, what's cannon? A:Jason gets kidnapped by the joker beat with a crowbar and blown up or B:tortured and becomes red hodd.
Comic version, and original version is kidnapped, beaten with a crowbar, and blown up. In A death in the family issue #428 published in October 1988. That's 100 percent canon. Interesting fact; when Joker had Jason, DC put a poll out and let the fans decide Robin's fate. It was DC batman fans that killed off Robin lol.
@@DoggyZworlD07 Eh, I think it depends on preference. I like the Arkham one better. I think the whole resurrection thing is dumb. This makes more sense to me. But like I said, depends on the person
When u will Think about the death of joker being """"sad""" just see this video to change idea, i am amazed by the hardwork u surely put to assemble togheter all those pieces, especially to find a lot of stuff about Jason in the first game!!! I never excepted that
Just a reminder how Jason Todd really died was to a fan vote.... As a jtodd fan I take no slander to blaming Bruce. It's the contrast of the ideology of red hood and Batman which really makes their relationship unique and one of the best in all of superhero comics.
Arkham Jason Todd is separate to DC Canon Jason Todd. Arkham Jason didn't die to a vote, he died to a developer creative decision. Comic Jason did die to a fan vote though.
@@K4Kezza I'm pretty sure that all the Batman origin stories of Jason are based of from the idea he died. Which originated from the vote. Its the same for Batman whos parents die or faces a predicament which causes him to change
During the events of arkham asylum, jason was already in infinity island training to become the Arkham knight with deathsroke and also gaining the militias support to plan the invasion of gotham a two years later. Asylum between city is like 8 months in between and knight is a whole year after city so theres enough time for all of this to occur.
In my opinion, of the many different versions of Jason todd's backstory, the arkham version has to be the darkest and most spine-chilling. Hearing jasons screams in what seems like a crowd of people cheering in a cell is extremely terrifying. Knowing this, i definitely now look at batman differently, his dectective skills are undeniably great and are considered to be the best in the DC universe, but one thing that people forget is that Jason todd was meant to be his greatest failure. Think about it, Dick grayson(aka nightwing or the First robin) is widely known as batmans' greatest success, especially since a key difference between him and Jason are the opposite colours: Red vs blue. My point is that jason was meant to be his greatest failure, and quite any of yall were in batmans position, would u find jason? Considereing that you're dealing with SEVERAL criminal masterminds that are all wreaking havoc across an entire city, and you're having to try to find your sidekick who's presumed dead? Even though batman is a great fighter and detegtive, we can't ignore that he is just a human in a high-tech bat costume, so he would inevitably make a mistake. This is not to say that he is blameless because it is primarily his fault for not finding Jason and essentially leaving a mentally scarred teenager in the hands of a criminal menance(which obviously led to the insane torture) Overall, i personally am not going to ENTIRELY excuse Batman for not finding jason, because at the end of the day, its literally the equivalent of finding needle in a haystack. BUT one thing is for sure, i really wish that Joker got more than just being burned to death since he tortured not only Jason but all those innocent citizens who fell victim to his schemes. But honestly, if i was jason todd, i would capture the Joker, and let's just say i would be getting my getback for over a decade....and as for batman, i would confront him and tell him to retire.
"jokers dead, jason, you want revenge on the man who hurt you? you've got one shot, come back to the manor, let us help you, dont let joker win" meanwhile batman: "do you want to know somthing funny? even after everything you've done....i would've saved you"
This is the best video I've seen describing what happened to poor Jason but also where did you get those comic panels from I really want to read it for myself
The difference between a hero and a broken hero is the hero will sacrifice you for the better good while a broken hero will save instead of the entire world
And Batman is still soooo many people’s fave hero? Even Superman knew when to kill for the greater good or at least sent the very worst to the phantom zone. But Batman, Mr. Contingency, Mr. Prep-Time, couldn’t figure out how to permanently capture, paralyze, and keep Joker in a dark corner of the Batcave? 🤦🏾♂️ I get it. “It’s just a comic, bro.” But if you’re gonna love and idolize a hero, it needs to be one who does whatever it takes to preserve life, at least in my opinion.
I think you dont completely get why the batman kills no one. Look a video about it. Yes i do sometimes think he should kill the Joker, for this reason for exaple. But his ethics deny to kill anyone.
Interesting to think that Batman is the worlds greatest detective even though he couldn’t even find Jason. I feel like that means something, though Batman wanted Jason alive and well I feel that a part of him believed the video because he was to scared to see what he would find, to see what The Joker had done to Jason. Also with the replacing part, I know a lot of people have different opinions on this but this is what I think: In the comic where Jason had died it shows that at first Batman did not want to replace Jason but then decided (because of Tim persuading him) that Batman will always need a Robin to keep things in order, Robin helps Batman to be able to get through things that Batman wouldn’t be able to do alone. But I do still agree that Batman could have searched harder, I do understand that seeing Jason’s death was very believable because, well, he died in the video but he’s the worlds greatest detective, would’ve expected more. Will always still love The Joker but this was definitely very disturbing, you get to see the darkest parts of The Joker here and what’s interesting to think is that this isn’t even the worst The Joker has done and I’m guessing that there will be worse things to come but hey, we love to hate The Joker, he’s an amazing character with so many interesting and fascinating stories. Absolutely amazing video, though this was a year ago I still am fascinated by this story, very well done.
If you pay close attention you can actually see Jason Drew a Batman with a sad face meaning that Jason understood that Batman thought that he was dead until joker brainwashed him 3:02
A lot of this I can get behind, but I'm not sure how Jason would've scribbled on the wall in that section of the Asylum when he was in an "Abandoned wing of Arkham for over a year" which also implies he was never moved, because it wasn't necessary. If he did escape/was released the night Asylum happened, why scribble on the walls? He would have to hate Bruce at this point, so leaving clues would be ooc.
Also Jason was definitely not shot in such a public area. It's obviously just a reused asset. Again, he was kept in an abandoned wing of Arkham. That room is in the middle of the med center. It makes no sense for him to be there.
The first part of your paragraph it’s because the Joker actually did move him around throughout the year sometimes just like how he moved him around during Arkham Asylum he did this to drive him more mad and insane. However the last part when you say it was probably just a section that was used again I would honestly agree with bc there is photo proof in the arkham genesis comics that it was taken in a basement/ dungeon but I thought it was just cool to show tbh!
@@dibbage I respect that. I was unaware or the amount of moving, I'll have to rake a look at that. In the future I'd add a note saying it could be a reused asset, or in other theory/breakdown videos (I do hope you keep at it, you clearly have a lot of passion and it was a good video) bring up potential holes in the evidence. Bringing up potential flaws in your "argument" lends them, and you, more credibility. I appreciate the response, and I really did enjoy the video.
no wonder in injustice 2 he says"NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO ME HAS NOT BEEN DONE TO ME ALREADY" and that is saying a lot considering the kind of metahumans he faced in injustice 2
Hi I loved your video! Really appreciate the effort and dedication you put into creating great content. Quick question. What comic issues did you use in this video? I’ve been wanting to try to start a Arkham comic collection.
In the comics Jason was never mad at Batman for not saving he understood that no one could make it in time to defuse the bomb he was mad because Batman let Joker live but if this was the torture of the main DC universe then it would have been a different story
I just don't understand one thing. So DC confirmed that arkham knight and Genesis takes place on the same universe. In the game jason was torture in a wheelchair but in the comic he was tortured in a regular chair. In the comic issue 3, when jason remembers the lines when joker first shot him, for one page, it showed that it was in the same place where we see jason get shot in arkham vr, but later on it shows a different location. Also in the game it shows that Batman first met him when jason was stealing the wheels of the Batmobile. But in the comic it stated that jason saved Batman from the joker wearing a mech suit. How is that?
maybe arkham vr and arkham knight memories are just the view of batman in jason's death, after all, he didnt see the room where jason was t0rtur3d in the first place, that would explain rocksteady use the asset flip room for arkham vr
Jason Todd is, and always will be, my favourite character in the Batman universe. His story is traumatizing, and then from the ashes, we get Red Hood. Can't believe people CHOSE to kill off Robin.
6:17 isn't it interesting how we never question why the moon is that big? the changing tides must be pretty intense for the Gotham fishermen... at least it looks cool
The fact that even Harley Quinn felt bad for Jason's torture tells us that joker crossed the line for once.
nah jokers the goat man
No hes not bitch
He crossed the line once pal I’m pretty sure sewing kids together was 100 ft over the line
@@tcolepatt0458 HE WHAT?!
@@Genericwhite_male joker cut up kids at a kindergarten and then sewed them together that’s how he got robin
Jason Todd’s story is probably one of the darkest in the DC Universe, when Jason pointed that gun up Batman’s chin, he didn’t even do anything try and stop it, because he knows he deserves it,
He moved his hand out of the way in the next frame and no, he didn’t deserve it. Jason hates Batman because he thinks he left him to die and gave up, when it was Joker who tricked Batman.
@@speedyeagle1597 No, Jason didn't hate because Batman left him to die. Jason hated Bruce because after all has Joker done Batman still let him live.
@Spider-Man well if this universe tim did what comics tim did its not exactly batman fault he never wanted another Robin but due to dick using moves only the flying Graysons would know as Robin tim essentially black mailed batman into making him his robin.
@@puravnotpurabthats under the redhood comic red hood. In arkham asylum joker totured him for two years and began to psychologically rip jason apart and allowed rogues in bat suits to beat on him until he broke. He eventually killed some of them escaped with deathstroke. He hates batman and plays to kill due to the fucked up psychosis he suffered from joker plus the feeling of abandonment he felt after Bruce replaced him. Comics Jason is only slightly insane and mentally fucked up. Arkham Jason is fully insane,and it took batman words to snap him out of it and as you seen in his dlc he is still unhinged
@@mr.raikage164 I mean, yes that’s what happened, couldn’t agree more, but the thing is batman did try to find Jason and save him, he couldn’t though seeing as the joker kept running and kept taking Jason everywhere, hence how Batman couldn’t find Jason and not to mention the joker 🃏 showing robin a picture of Tim and Bruce, red hood was simply tricked and had all this rage built from the abuse to the “betrayal” in quotes because batman basically didn’t do shit to deserve what he got. Which was a blood seeking vigilante and a already insane jester also trying to kill him.
The fact that jason said if anyone hurts Barbara he'll kill them still proves that Jason hasn't changed and he'll do anything to not hurt his loved ones
Surprised he didn't say anything about her paralysis. She was still Batgirl when the Joker kidnapped him. I imagined he would blame Bruce for what Joker did to Barbara as well.
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@@jeramahia123 what did joker do to batgirl?
@@leviking564 Paralyzed her by shooting her, stripped her naked and then took pictures of her naked to parade in front of her father to try and drive him insane.
@@leviking564 shot her in the waist, paralysing her
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The kid who was raised on the street, who’s mother abandoned him at a young age. Now cries to her for help, that is fucking haunting.
Jason has mentioned sometimes that he hated his mother, so hearing him call to her in a moment of desperation hurts.
I also like that after being called Robin he started getting emotional, his life became so happy when he first became Robin. Hearing it again must throw his mind into a spiral.
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I mean, in the comics him mom sold him out to the Joker and still expected him to save her from the bomb after she watched him get beaten within and inch of his life with a crowbar
When he said that, i died inside
When i heard Jason even screaming for his mom, it even made me a bit traumatized and disturbed
When does he?
@@dominic2039 9:54
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Batman’s “no kill” rule should have ended when joker tortured an orphaned child
In one of the films and in the titans tv show he killed the joker after Jason's disappearance and death
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Either way, Joker would win.
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@@VeliThaDon no 💀
Really thinking about it, imagine you're in the same place for about two whole years and the person you've been hoping to save you has been putting criminals in the same area night. You've been getting beaten and tortured every day within the same building. No wonder Jason thinks batman abandoned him, he's been right under his noes for two years and the worlds greatest detective couldn't figure that out until years later.
I guess I wouldn't have any reason to live
''wanna know how to keep a secret from the world greatest detective, ya stick it right in front of em''
@@FutureJP599 he even couldn't kill himself
@@randomcreature7507 so thats wat he meant in arkham city
@@randomcreature7507it was under the long pointy nose actually
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He is right, no freaking human or animal would understand the pain he has indured during that time
I can think of many people throughout history who could
@@K4Kezza who👀
@@yaboisoe178 History or fiction
@@K4Kezza both
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Your definitely like Batman putting the pieces together as to where Jason Todd was being kept and tortured in Arkham. World's Greatest Detective you are.
Thank you means a lot!
@@dibbage No problem. Batman and Tim Drake would be impressed.
@@dibbage its just like horro game man this could be perfect creepypasta story
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@Cobra Kai He didn’t find Jason, Jason was mad Batman never killed joker so he went to do it himself but failed to do so and got captured by the joker then been tortured for almost 2 years. I’m sure thats what happened but I could be wrong
The fact that Jason hated him mom but also called for her when he was getting tortured was soo sad because he knew Batman was never gonna find him this is the one of the rare examples of Batman getting outsmarted it’s truly sad
this is the point where Batman was actually horribly wrong and Jason was actually right about killing the Joker. it just proved that Batman is actually a glorified mentally ill person that has a man crush with The Joker. knowing that killing Joker will not make him The Batman anymore since he will lose his perfect counterpart or being an absolute mentally ill person that he is. he could've easily kill The Joker to stop all of the crimes in Gotham and to permanently strike the heart of the criminal with a permanent fear but he let him live to murder people and to torture people like what he have done to Jason.
@@eetfuk3571 what job would the batman have if joker is killed
@@MiguelGarcia-nl3ci yup, that's how mentally ill Batman is. he's not gonna fulfil his job if he gets the job done.
@@MiguelGarcia-nl3cifacts
@@MiguelGarcia-nl3ciwhy need a job if he is already the richest dude in gotham 😂
The problem with Batman's ideals is that it costs a lot of people their lives and brings suffering and pain. People forget that Batman is still a law breaking vigilante, he dresses up in a bat suit and beats up criminals, which is awesome. The non killing thing is his preference, totally understandable. But when demented killer like Joker runs around and Batman allows him to live knowing that if he gets loose he'll butcher more people, that's on him too. It's the knowing what would happen but not doing anything about it is bothersome enough. At least let Jason take him out. If Batman is unwilling to do that, let someone else who's not afraid to do what needs to be done for the greater good?
Batman rule is because his parents were murdered and killing is murder. Batman rule is because batman is insane. He is not normal. He's just as insane as joker. And if batman kills. He will become the most dangerous person in gotham.
It's not on him. It's not Batman's responsibility to be an executioner for the state.
Jason Ran off to kill the joker and got captured himself
@@Aivottaja It is when he devotes his entire life to literally stopping demented criminals. He made a promise to himself that he would clean up the streets of Gotham and protect the innocent when he hasn't done any of those things. By not killing these sick monsters he's purposefully allowing them to torture, rape, and murder innocent people.
@@controlman7490 Yes, he devoted *his* life - never anyone else's. Quote from Gotham Knight after a bullet shield he used almost killed a criminal:
"I'm willing to put my life on the line to do what I have to. But it has to be mine - no one else's".
Now, obviously this quote doesn't fare well for his sidekick children, but that's a different topic.
He's not allowing anything. He's doing all he can within his code to put these people away. He's already patching the failures of the corrupt system by rounding them up as a vigilante. He has no obligation to be an illegal executioner for the state as well.
I appreciate the time and effort that went into making this video, this is a very interesting topic to discuss about. Very well done!
I appreciate your comments its comments like these that make me want to make videos like this 👍
The fact that The Joker tortured Batman’s sidekick (an orphaned child) and did more evil stuff to him and Batman still wouldn't break the no kill rule makes me wonder if Bruce even cares about his robins or anyone else that helps him for that matter.
The reason Batman still refused to it's because Batman is a psychopath not joker level but near enough he'd go out dressed as a bat and beat the shit out of criminals if batman were to just shoot the joker he knows he would be the same as him a murderer if a man kills a killer the number of killers stays the same if Batman killed the joker the joker would win as his main goal is to prove everybody is breaks even the Batman and then if the Batman kills he knows that he could never stop himself from doing it again effectively making the joker always apart of Batman if he ever killed
I just had a seizure reading that but yuh I understand what you’re saying
Clearly he cares about them but jokers ultimate end goal is to break the bat. He wants, actually he NEEDS, to make Batman lose. The second Batman decides to lose control or finally kill the joker, he loses the fight and becomes the criminal he fights on a daily basis. How can he possibly call himself right for putting a murderer behind bars if he becomes a murderer himself. Batman would not be Batman if he killed his adversaries
Umm… hear me out. They are both psychotic.
@@mynameismike7071 I mean what about the law killing the Joker? Like, how many times has he gone to Arkham?
"Anyone hurts her, they're a dead man"
"How's Alfred"
"Get the hell away from her"
He still cares
Just is blinded by hate for Bruce
Ik this is old but that’s also why I loved him as the Arkham Knight. He was a villain but he wasn’t one of those villains and I love that
this guy deserves to blow up he effortlessly does an amazing job the effort shown really says sum about him
Your sentence is confusing, unless there is some deeper meaning behind it
@@lycheeboys1958 hes my boyfriend
@@isabellanavarrete7246 that has nothing to do with what I said
@@isabellanavarrete7246 I was saying you said he effortlessly put in effort
The brokenness in his voice at 16:52 “he left me” fucked me up fr… one of the few times he actually lets his emotions slip through.
@newsoul.9 ah, yes. Right in Batman's nose💀
Imagine being in like the creepiest place on earth with killers, Psychopaths, Corrupt Guards that are also against you, Being Tortured in an abandoned wing without much sleep, Can't take a poo, can't pee, or having to do those two things in your pants, Being all alone, waiting for Batman/Mentor/Father figure to save you, But nobody can hear you, being forced to sit in a bad posture with barbed wire around you, being punched by Callendar man 365+ times in the face do to leap year, Punched in the face by croc, Two-Face, and Bane?, hit by penguins cane, Slashed in the face by Zsaszs' Knives, Scarecrow injecting Fear toxin in you, So you're more terrified, And you're Mostly beaten by a guy who wears white makeup on his face, weird hair that's colored green, and always has a creepy smile on his face, and during all of that, You're also on drugs, a few of them, Joker Hits your face with a stick with a Really Really hot "J" on the end of it...it burns through the flesh on your cheek and leaves a scar, You barely eat, You eat rats and bugs, you're Just a teenager who's not even 18, You'd rather be dead, you're being told and shown that you've been replaced, so basically all hope is lost, you're Screaming at the top of your lungs, and nobody can hear you, even begging you're dead mother that you hated to Help you, And through it all You're being manipulated, by a clown, The creepy clown Laughs at you're pain, brutal non-stop torture, and suffering. "Worlds Greatest Detective My ass" -Jason Todd
Batman’s no kill rule is a good thing, what I don’t understand though is how each time the joker has been locked up, why do they instantly throw him in the asylum? There was no treating him. They should’ve instantly given him the death sentence therefore he’s gone and Batman doesn’t have to break his code
THATS WHAT I SAID LIKE DAMN-
Nah batman soft ass should’ve grew some balls and killed him its tht simple no other way around it
EXACTLY
The joker can be gone of I don’t know being sent to a different prison
The gods(DC comics) demand that the story continues ever onwards
This Jason: "Why didn't you save me!? Who cares if you killed the Joker!"
*Actual* Jason: "Bruce, I forgive you for not saving me. But why... why on God's Earth is HE [Joker] still alive!?"
Arkahmverse Jason had it even worse than Canon Jason. I mean, it's no picnic getting beaten with a crowbar and then blown up. But dollars to donuts that anyone would choose that over a year of torture.
@@Aivottaja You'd think if anyone could survive that, it would be a member of the Batfamily.
Especially Jason. He's regarded as being the toughest in the family, besides maybe Cassandra (the 2nd Batgirl).
@@jeramahia123nobody is built for a year of that type of torture...
Didn’t comic Jason get graped
@@Bigjay-hw2xxwhen?
The kindergarten part is absolutely HORRIBLE and gruesome. Despicable that the Joker did that.
Not a lot of people know this much about what Jason Todd went through. They don't give him enough credit and I hope Joker is sent to the worst place in hell there is
I've been watching your other Jason Todd video for like six months now. Really great content! I'm happy you made this video and hope you continue to make more of them ☺️👌🏾
this the best one explaining about jason. very well put together nice.
Thanks I appreciate that!
I feel bad for Jason I was crying when u said he was even screaming for his mom😢😢
I hate how Barbara defends Batman for leaving him for dead what John cena/ peacemaker says about Batman is 100% fact
What did Peacemaker say? Plus Joker sent a video of Jason's "death" point blank from gun fire. Joker is a skilled manipulator as he made Harley Quinn who she is today and tricked Batman into believing that Clayface is The Real Joker.
Guy saw a video of Jason's face getting blown by a 72mm gun in a point blank range. Man if someone sent me a video of my dog getting shot at a point blank range I would like to think my dog's dead
No it is not…… injustice proves what happens when you go down that path and Bruce himself has said that’s why he doesn’t cause he wouldn’t be able to come back from that place
@@cadeshanley218 basically he was saying he was wrong for not killing because the villains keep killing
@@cadeshanley218 here’s a clip of it it has swearing in to be warned ua-cam.com/video/smB_-d1ZaMk/v-deo.html
How Batman is world greatest detective?? He can't even find his own son?? I literally dropped a tear when Jason screamed for his Mom.
Thats true he shouldnt have trust the video
@@somaabhiram1070 yeah
@New Soul.9 sad
He knows how the Joker is though
Great video though things have to be extremely sadistic when even Harley and DeathStroke/Slade feel pity for you
Exactly!
@Cobra Kai I don't think that Jay Jay will be killing anyone with real bullets. In the trailer he is using guns, yes, but he might be using rubber bullets.
If that is the case, I like to think that it's to honor the moral code that Bruce trained him with.
when did Harley show empathy for Jason as far as i know she helped torture him
@@jrfirefiher probably talking about the white knight story comic thing
Hearing everything the Joker did to Jason, the pain, even seeing Harley feel bad...I haven't put the pieces together till now. He's a troubled soul...
I love how you made this story. It makes me look at the Arkham universe in a different way now.
Thank you soooo much for making this video. Helped me a lot to understand a little bit more of Jason's history
Roaming the halls of Arkham Asylum is more eerie and haunting than ever!
The difference between Batman and Jason. . . is that while Bruce never truly knew what it feels like to ACTUALLY SURVIVE, Jason had nothing but his wits while growing up in the slums of Gotham.
This actually reminds me of something from Metal Gear Rising Revengeance:
"Suffering? What do you know of suffering? You never had to go hungry. To steal and kill, just to survive!"
"But you did survive! With your own will, you took your own life back into your own hands."
"And now, I'm going to take yours."
There's a moment in"The three Jokers" where bat girl and the red hood have Joker tied up waiting for batman to come. (In this comic there are 3 Jokers and we don't know which is the real one or if their clones or whatever.) Joker taunts Jason saying that he never cared about him. The only reason Joker did those things was his own sick way of trying to hurt batman. He only wanted to torture batman through Jason, knowing full well batman wouldn't kill him. Jason grows furious as Barbra (batgirl) tries to calm him. Joker concludes his statement by saying,
*It was never about you.*
Just then Jason snaps and shoots him directly in the head just feet away from him. There were still two Jokers, and there have been other Joker deaths, but this, this is my favorite.
I can't believe how long the Arkham games have been out and I am still peeling back layers like these.
The fact that Jason was tortured over the span of two years and during AA batman just missed Jason as seen in the video. Jason even shouting out for his mom is just disturbing and outright traumatizing to hear thank god theres no footage of that. I lost some/half of respect for joker for cutting kids up and sewing them and making harley torture Jason in a horrible way is disturbing to read. Jasons torture story is nothing but disturbing and traumatizing to hear and see. Batman knowing this and not killed Joker despite his morals of never kill anyone is still surprising. This story is one of the scariest and best.
Yeah you should watch Batman redhood it's an animated movie where the joker actually killed Jason via explosion after beating him with a crowbar Batman was there and tried to save him. He then went on to break every bone in the joker's body putting him in a full body cast Jason went on to murder numerous villains and the ending was still sad
Why did you have respect for a sadistic piece of garbage like Joker to begin with? :D
@@Aivottaja ikr, it was so satisfying to see Superman run his arm into the joker’s heart. Something Batman would never do.
@@Aivottajacause he is the GOAT and also cause Mark Hamill
@@The_E.G.G.M.A.NWe're talking about the character, not his voice actor.
i want to give jason a hug for all the torture he went through
Me too like he didn't deserve any of it
Just wanted to say thank you for doing this and putting in all the hard work to do so! Crazy these game still talked about, keep the light in the sky!
To think that he was right with us right under our nose this whole freaking time for a whole nearly 2 years is just frustrating me so much, how TF did robin stand that?? It is so creepy
Man, I never read the comics but my heart is breaking for Jason. When I played Arkham vr, I had no idea that was Jason screaming....I can't imagine being tortured...
The amount of work you put in is outrageous. I’ve played all the Arkham games countless times and I never put 2 and 2 together.
just imagine how much guilt and hatred he had for himself after getting captured because he decided to get to the joker by himself. just imagine how that would feel. thinking about what jason went through gives me goosebumps
“Batman’s not about the innocent no no he’s about punishing the guilty” that line is sick
Excellent video. This is some dark shit. How Batman kept his code after everything Jason's been through is crazy.
hearing Jason's screams actually made me scared.
This video left me traumatised after the screams honestly this was a perfect vodeo hope this blows up
Fantastic job bro 💯👏🏽
Nicely informative and in chronological order with the key moments in Jason Todd’s descent into Redhood . Not like all the other Jason Todd videos where their shit is all over the place .
I hope that soon Hollywood recognizes that this Arc in the Batman will make a most def badass Movie !!
🎥🎞🦇 🃏
The way u put this together maid me feel like I was there and I was Jason
Great video! A lot of stuff I didn't know, crazy
Glad you enjoyed it!
The voice actor for Jason went CRAZY in the studio 😢
Asylum is the best because it’s the darkest. You really feel like your in Batman’s world, it’s the perfect setting.
really wanna give jason a big hug and do anything else i could for him
You can stilll tell he’s traumatized after all he went throughout
Due in part to Troy Baker’s kickass voice acting. He does such a good job characters like this.
This was a great video, it answer some questions that I had about Jason Todd and "this". But one question remains, what's cannon? A:Jason gets kidnapped by the joker beat with a crowbar and blown up or B:tortured and becomes red hodd.
depends on what your looking at in the arkham verse it’s B in the animated movie it’s A
@@dibbage thank you. Also never thought I would be talking to an actual youtube. :)
Different universes
Different cannons
Comic version, and original version is kidnapped, beaten with a crowbar, and blown up. In A death in the family issue #428 published in October 1988. That's 100 percent canon.
Interesting fact; when Joker had Jason, DC put a poll out and let the fans decide Robin's fate. It was DC batman fans that killed off Robin lol.
@@DoggyZworlD07 Eh, I think it depends on preference. I like the Arkham one better. I think the whole resurrection thing is dumb. This makes more sense to me. But like I said, depends on the person
When u will Think about the death of joker being """"sad""" just see this video to change idea, i am amazed by the hardwork u surely put to assemble togheter all those pieces, especially to find a lot of stuff about Jason in the first game!!! I never excepted that
Just a reminder how Jason Todd really died was to a fan vote.... As a jtodd fan I take no slander to blaming Bruce. It's the contrast of the ideology of red hood and Batman which really makes their relationship unique and one of the best in all of superhero comics.
Arkham Jason Todd is separate to DC Canon Jason Todd.
Arkham Jason didn't die to a vote, he died to a developer creative decision.
Comic Jason did die to a fan vote though.
@@K4Kezza I'm pretty sure that all the Batman origin stories of Jason are based of from the idea he died. Which originated from the vote. Its the same for Batman whos parents die or faces a predicament which causes him to change
That fan vote was just for publicity, no matter the outcome he would've been the same lol.
man i'm so sorry for jason.. (subbed btw)
Yea being tortured by Joker for 6 months is litteral hell, his anger towards bruce is justified he should ve killed the Joker.
Thanks so much for putting this all together!
During the events of arkham asylum, jason was already in infinity island training to become the Arkham knight with deathsroke and also gaining the militias support to plan the invasion of gotham a two years later. Asylum between city is like 8 months in between and knight is a whole year after city so theres enough time for all of this to occur.
In my opinion, of the many different versions of Jason todd's backstory, the arkham version has to be the darkest and most spine-chilling. Hearing jasons screams in what seems like a crowd of people cheering in a cell is extremely terrifying. Knowing this, i definitely now look at batman differently, his dectective skills are undeniably great and are considered to be the best in the DC universe, but one thing that people forget is that Jason todd was meant to be his greatest failure. Think about it, Dick grayson(aka nightwing or the First robin) is widely known as batmans' greatest success, especially since a key difference between him and Jason are the opposite colours: Red vs blue. My point is that jason was meant to be his greatest failure, and quite any of yall were in batmans position, would u find jason? Considereing that you're dealing with SEVERAL criminal masterminds that are all wreaking havoc across an entire city, and you're having to try to find your sidekick who's presumed dead? Even though batman is a great fighter and detegtive, we can't ignore that he is just a human in a high-tech bat costume, so he would inevitably make a mistake. This is not to say that he is blameless because it is primarily his fault for not finding Jason and essentially leaving a mentally scarred teenager in the hands of a criminal menance(which obviously led to the insane torture) Overall, i personally am not going to ENTIRELY excuse Batman for not finding jason, because at the end of the day, its literally the equivalent of finding needle in a haystack. BUT one thing is for sure, i really wish that Joker got more than just being burned to death since he tortured not only Jason but all those innocent citizens who fell victim to his schemes. But honestly, if i was jason todd, i would capture the Joker, and let's just say i would be getting my getback for over a decade....and as for batman, i would confront him and tell him to retire.
So glad to see you back!!
Glad your here to watch it 👍
This video made me cry man:(.
Jason story almost made me cry
great video, i subbed..i cant play Arkham Asylum anymore know this is what was happening to Jason
You know you have done something real f**ked up when even Harley Quinn felt bad for Jason
"jokers dead, jason, you want revenge on the man who hurt you? you've got one shot, come back to the manor, let us help you, dont let joker win"
meanwhile batman: "do you want to know somthing funny? even after everything you've done....i would've saved you"
Batman enjoys the game with the Joker
This is the best video I've seen describing what happened to poor Jason but also where did you get those comic panels from I really want to read it for myself
he got it from Arkham Knight Genesis comic books
This video was actually incredible keep posting ❤️❤️❤️❤️
THAT VOICE ACTOR IS PERFECT
The difference between a hero and a broken hero is the hero will sacrifice you for the better good while a broken hero will save instead of the entire world
That was so well done nice job
Jason might be my favorite robin it’s between him and Dick Grayson for me
Idk why but the thing about his hunched posture hit hard..
And Batman is still soooo many people’s fave hero? Even Superman knew when to kill for the greater good or at least sent the very worst to the phantom zone. But Batman, Mr. Contingency, Mr. Prep-Time, couldn’t figure out how to permanently capture, paralyze, and keep Joker in a dark corner of the Batcave? 🤦🏾♂️ I get it. “It’s just a comic, bro.” But if you’re gonna love and idolize a hero, it needs to be one who does whatever it takes to preserve life, at least in my opinion.
i mean batman basically did kill the joker in this verse so stfu
It's just a comic book bro
@@Lawd_Treesh shut the hell up, jason deserved better
I think you dont completely get why the batman kills no one. Look a video about it. Yes i do sometimes think he should kill the Joker, for this reason for exaple. But his ethics deny to kill anyone.
He's the best hero
Crazy how the joker was just able to roam the ayslum like Batman really just giving him a ride home
After every squabble
This is just sick........ Joker scares me more than any character from any animation
I love how he asks Barbara how’s Alfred.
14:20 That line just breaks me down so hard
This is a realy well put together timeline 👏
Interesting to think that Batman is the worlds greatest detective even though he couldn’t even find Jason. I feel like that means something, though Batman wanted Jason alive and well I feel that a part of him believed the video because he was to scared to see what he would find, to see what The Joker had done to Jason.
Also with the replacing part, I know a lot of people have different opinions on this but this is what I think: In the comic where Jason had died it shows that at first Batman did not want to replace Jason but then decided (because of Tim persuading him) that Batman will always need a Robin to keep things in order, Robin helps Batman to be able to get through things that Batman wouldn’t be able to do alone. But I do still agree that Batman could have searched harder, I do understand that seeing Jason’s death was very believable because, well, he died in the video but he’s the worlds greatest detective, would’ve expected more.
Will always still love The Joker but this was definitely very disturbing, you get to see the darkest parts of The Joker here and what’s interesting to think is that this isn’t even the worst The Joker has done and I’m guessing that there will be worse things to come but hey, we love to hate The Joker, he’s an amazing character with so many interesting and fascinating stories.
Absolutely amazing video, though this was a year ago I still am fascinated by this story, very well done.
been waiting for this!
I think it would’ve been better if like in Arkham VR rocksteady added Jason’s screams that you can hear throughout the asylum
When i first found out jasons story it was so hard to take in even tho it was a show and a game
If you pay close attention you can actually see Jason Drew a Batman with a sad face meaning that Jason understood that Batman thought that he was dead until joker brainwashed him 3:02
Nice video lad glad you finished this another amazing video
A lot of this I can get behind, but I'm not sure how Jason would've scribbled on the wall in that section of the Asylum when he was in an "Abandoned wing of Arkham for over a year" which also implies he was never moved, because it wasn't necessary. If he did escape/was released the night Asylum happened, why scribble on the walls? He would have to hate Bruce at this point, so leaving clues would be ooc.
Also Jason was definitely not shot in such a public area. It's obviously just a reused asset. Again, he was kept in an abandoned wing of Arkham. That room is in the middle of the med center. It makes no sense for him to be there.
The first part of your paragraph it’s because the Joker actually did move him around throughout the year sometimes just like how he moved him around during Arkham Asylum he did this to drive him more mad and insane. However the last part when you say it was probably just a section that was used again I would honestly agree with bc there is photo proof in the arkham genesis comics that it was taken in a basement/ dungeon but I thought it was just cool to show tbh!
@@dibbage I respect that. I was unaware or the amount of moving, I'll have to rake a look at that. In the future I'd add a note saying it could be a reused asset, or in other theory/breakdown videos (I do hope you keep at it, you clearly have a lot of passion and it was a good video) bring up potential holes in the evidence. Bringing up potential flaws in your "argument" lends them, and you, more credibility. I appreciate the response, and I really did enjoy the video.
no wonder in injustice 2 he says"NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO ME HAS NOT BEEN DONE TO ME ALREADY" and that is saying a lot considering the kind of metahumans he faced in injustice 2
So in depth my guy good job 👏
Hi I loved your video! Really appreciate the effort and dedication you put into creating great content. Quick question. What comic issues did you use in this video? I’ve been wanting to try to start a Arkham comic collection.
Arkham Genesis Comics however it might be difficult to find locally best bet would be to purchase it online! They are a great read…
@@dibbage Great thank you so much!
In the comics Jason was never mad at Batman for not saving he understood that no one could make it in time to defuse the bomb he was mad because Batman let Joker live but if this was the torture of the main DC universe then it would have been a different story
arkham has the darkest jason adaptation
We ask who is Jason Todd but never how is Jason Todd
Why ur channel is underrated u find best clues then i did i really liked ur theory.
I just don't understand one thing. So DC confirmed that arkham knight and Genesis takes place on the same universe. In the game jason was torture in a wheelchair but in the comic he was tortured in a regular chair. In the comic issue 3, when jason remembers the lines when joker first shot him, for one page, it showed that it was in the same place where we see jason get shot in arkham vr, but later on it shows a different location. Also in the game it shows that Batman first met him when jason was stealing the wheels of the Batmobile. But in the comic it stated that jason saved Batman from the joker wearing a mech suit. How is that?
maybe arkham vr and arkham knight memories are just the view of batman in jason's death, after all, he didnt see the room where jason was t0rtur3d in the first place, that would explain rocksteady use the asset flip room for arkham vr
this just shows how sadistic joker is he will do anything just to break batman and beat him
The one thing that pisses me off isn't the torture but it's asking what batman identity is then shooting him, like bruh
Jason Todd is, and always will be, my favourite character in the Batman universe. His story is traumatizing, and then from the ashes, we get Red Hood. Can't believe people CHOSE to kill off Robin.
good video bro earned a new sub😎
Thanks for the knowledge between the game and the comic book series to know more about it's history.
6:17 isn't it interesting how we never question why the moon is that big? the changing tides must be pretty intense for the Gotham fishermen... at least it looks cool
Pls make more of these about jason todd he's my most favorite character of all time
16:52 He literally sounds like he is on the verge of tears. If bro tried to fight me, i would just give him a hug 🥲🥲
17:12 Over hear too