"This week, police sources announced they are pursuing a new lead in the case of the serial murderer known as The Over-Literal Man who brutally hacked apart fifteen college professors in academic sites all across the country. The only lead they have had thus far is a note left by the killer reading Scholars Remain Divided".
SandsJ Thank you for that, for some reason her having a crew just doesn't sit right with me, I guess it just makes it feel less personal Sorry Natalie, you have to keep doing all the work by yourself :)
Literally the same day I first saw the Yer Dad character I went to visit my parents, and my dad did that precise same thing. I didn't know whether to roll my eyes or burst out in hysterical laughter.
"Excuse my beauty" is iconic. Ugh. RIP Stephanie Yellowhair, your spirit is not forgotten. Your acknowledgement of her was so poignant and made me tear up a bit. Great video.
al gonzález she doesn’t deserve death or abuse regardless of whether or not you want to fuck her. But I get it, being such a smooth brained idiot must be hard for you, I don’t blame you for malding.
The quote at the beginning makes me so sad. Imagine reading someone's book and being so thrilled to meet them, gushing about what an inspiration they've been, how they've changed your life... and then you pick up a copy of their next book and read... that. :(
You wouldn't say the same thing if a black rights activist told a white fan that the book wasn't for them. Could've been more polite but the point she was making is the same. Not saying she's right, but that's what she was saying
@@m3rify maybe you're not comfortable with the analogy, but it is the same. Race and gender are both social constructs, and people have both gender identity and racial identity
The stereotype of the trans woman wearing her mom's clothes when a child not only harms trans women but also cis men. I'm cis and tried in my mom's clothes as a young child. It wasn't because I was trans. It was because gender exploration is part of how we come to understand our gender identity.
@@samuelhamblin7535 The commonality is why it's harmful. Not every child who tries on their opposite gender parent's clothes is trans. Not every trans child will try on their parent's clothes. Stereotypes are harmful in general. Not all Asians are good at math. Not all black people like watermelon and fried chicken. Small stereotypes like this feed the more harmful forms of discrimination like bathroom bills and Jim Crow voting suppression by othering our fellow human beings.
I wore my 1 yr. older sister’s old dresses (in public, too). My father got a little nervous but my mother just let me wear whatever I wanted. Was I showing *early signs of transsexualism* that needed to be *fought* before it took hold?! Nah, my older sister was simply my only idol and frame of reference, so I just imitated her. Reminds me of that anecdote ben shapiro told once about how he caught his young son wearing his wife’s shoes. He put a stop to that immediately and bought the kid a pair of cowboy boots instead. Quality parenting right there: Teaching his kid to fear the appearance of femininity is certain not to breed toxic masculinity.
"Excuse my beauty" This has been a staple in LGBTQ parlance for a while, and had no idea that it came from a trans woman in the face of oppression. I'm always shocked by how dark our history is.
I'm currently in the process of educating myself on trans issues and wider LGBTQ+ culture to support a friend who is currently transitioning and to be honest it's shocking how true this is. So much of the humour I have come across in the LGBTQ+ community is rooted in really dark stuff. I know a lot of great comedy historically was created by marginalised and oppressed groups but the context of "excuse my beauty" is honestly so upsetting, and yet there's something so powerful about that moment of defiance that I can totally understand why its become a commonly used phrase.
@@algonzalez6853 How is transgenderism degenerate? I checked a dictionary and degenerate behavior is that which diminishes or deteriorates the individual mentally, physically, or morally. Yet I dont see people being diminished or decline in any of these aspects during a healthy transition, usually the opposite, and significantly so. I'm confused because I honestly can't understand why people are so angry about them they're calling them degenerate. The only behavior I see causing mental, physical or moral diminishment/deterioration arises from the ones calling transpeople degenerate. Am I missing something huge here? Or is this just one of those internet asshole things?
@@algonzalez6853 How? How and where has the physical, mental, or moral decline you describe been the fault of transgender behavior? (only the transgender behavior itself, other people's poor behavior in reaction is their own issue). I'm operating here as someone without your cultural indoctrination or mental conditioning on the subject so you need to make this clear to me. Because operating solely from empiricism and true-value ethics, the only irration assholes opposed to reality I'm seeing are the ones giving them shit.
On the topic of trans women NOT being socialized like other boys- you are very correct, and it goes even further. I’m a gay cis man with two straight brothers. I have very little in common with them as far as we were socialized. They had a much more typical little boy and teenage social experience, and I was socialized to be alone because my male peers didn’t like me for being feminine in some ways, for being gay, and eventually, after years of social rejection, being closed off and defensive. I actually was a little boy and teenager and a man, totally cis, and my socialization was not at all typical of most men, and male privilege hasn’t really impacted me until college. For gender critical people to assume that the real phenomenon of an ideal, privileged male socialization is just the default upbringing for trans women is ludicrous, because even as children, anything seen as different is attacked or ignored by most boys. I wasn’t socialized like a girl, but I wasn’t socialized like a boy either. Edit: Not really cis lol but I thought so at the time lmao
💯 agreed...To Me, (a cis het woman) it infact feels kind of misandrist that Radfems assume men don't feel any trauma while growing up .They do....I live in a semi conservative country.. Where people are so misogynistic, they used to support sex selective births against females... And I have always found that I have more in common with lgbt+ people and feminine men more than Rad fems...if anyone in society is more at risk of getting beaten up than women, it's fem men.. Because in case of women they atleast consider that women are 'weak' hence off limits...But a man, they think is a fair game..As a result male DV survivors are ignored..even more when the perp is a woman..
true, but also the main argument erases the experiences of young trans girls being socialized as girls. it is convenient for people to think that such identities simply don't exist. but they do. and the reality is that these young people will never experience male privilege at all. so, it really tanks their own argument as they attach "male privilege" with the idea that trans women start their transition in adulthood, when is in fact not always the case. and in a society that affirms trans identities, it would almost never be the case. alas...
Because for them it's not about an accurate description of the differences in male socialization, it's stolen valor. They don't care about the nuances of how gender expectations impact people who aren't cis women because to them there are no nuances. It's comfortable for them psychologically to believe the world is less complicated than it actually is
I'm a cis woman, but I've always gravitated towards gender neutral presentation. In high school, because I didn't look feminine and had a bunch of traditionally masculine hobbies, a whole bunch of people would never refer to me by feminine pronouns, almost exclusively calling me "it." Not a good feeling. It's not just being misgendered, it's being dehumanized. Because I was an "it," I didn't count. The whole idea of calling someone "it" just makes my blood boil. And I'm cis, for fucks sake. I cant even imagine how much it hurts trans kids.
I think I can sort of relate to the "people seeing you as non-feminine" part. I'm also a cis woman (or rather trans in the closet) and even though I did my best to present as feminine as possible, it was my deep voice and maybe my face that made people make fun of me, asking me if I had a dick or if I was my friend's brother, etc. I am not sure if that is empowering or not. I was definitely hurt, because my act of presenting as a real, normal girl always failed. But ironically, that may give me the motivation to finally transition, haha. How deep my voice will go?
I've misgendered people by mistake before, I was corrected and then I apologized, but using "it" is going further, it's not "I made a mistake because I thought you were something you aren't", it's "I'm intentionally doing this because I think you don't deserve to be referred to with terms for humans"
Why can't we just refer to each other by our given names? That way nobody could be misgendered... [correction: stupid idea because of deadnaming. maybe a universal pronoun that's not dehumanizing persons that identify as human beings]
Hearing people gatekeeping womanhood behind “having experienced catcalling” is so weird and kind of gross to me. Obviously, it’s a shared trauma for a lot of women, and should be part of a discussion about misogyny and gender. But that isn’t and shouldn’t be a defining trait of being a woman! I am a cis woman and I didn’t experience catcalling until I was around 22. Does that mean I wasn’t a woman before that? Personally, I can’t say I usually “feel” like a woman in the first place. I just feel like me. And I wish people were more okay with just allowing people to feel like themselves.
I've never experienced catcalling in my life. I haven't even experienced sexism from any men in my life- and this is coming from someone who's spent her whole life playing video games and talking to (mostly male) gamers. When TERFS say that experiencing catcalling and sexism from men is "part of the female experience", it just makes me feel survivor's guilt.
Philipp Bob Kaufmann Not to be rude, but I don’t know why anyone should look up to her. She definitely knew the struggle, and dropped a good one-liner, but that’s about it.
I recently asked my cisgender brother what made him a man. He told me told me, "Because I am. That's all there is to it." And, in a spark of insight and compassion he said, "And you're non-binary because you are, you know you are. That's all that matters." Like all my relationships with cisgender men, we've had our ups and downs, our rough spots. But shout out to my brother, who can be hot headed and obstinate but always calms down to listen and process and do better next time.
I consider myself a man because the oppression I do to women by having abscribed to the behaviours and identity of a "man" in a patriarchal society. There is no trait or experience whatsoever that makes me a man except for my social interactions and being part of the dynamics in a binary patriarchal society. My masculinity, heterosexuality, dom preference or any kind of specific gender expression does not make me a man. I'm a man because of the parts of my identity that reinforce the patriarchy and binarism in the society I live in. Saying I'm a man because I'm just am it's dumb. It's a very surface level analysis.
@@Davidvp Have you even thought before typing? You're a man because of how you present your gender identity in society. That doesn't have jack to do with your bigotry and participation in opression. Were your argument true, no man could be a feminist or deconstruct themselves to unlearn toxic behaviours. I'm trying to abolish patriarchy yet I'm still a cis man.
@@Davidvp Hmmm... it seems there are many reasons why someone would call themselves a man or a woman. You consider yourself a man for those reasons. Internally I don't identify with either gender, but I consider myself a woman because I have been subjected to the patriarchy because of the body I possess. I relate to other women who've had this lived experience in a way I can't relate to men who lack the imagination to see the damaging effects of patriarchy and possess little will for change. (Meanwhile most men who get to know me, and some women, claim that I think more like a man. Stereotypes... as if all men or all women are the same.) Their analysis might be surface level to you, but it seems to me that getting to where you are (your own definition), acknowledging your participation, has been a process. Why would you call someone else dumb verses encouraging them to think more deeply if that's what you think is needed? Ah, that's right... aggression.
Gabriel Almanza When someone says that people are divided on an issue it means that there is some disagreement or debate. The idea of debating whether someone is dead or not is funny because it’s just silly; there’s an obvious answer. Hope that cleared it up!
@@gabrielalmanza9433 I also believe it has to do with the fact that after she started her "war" against lgbtq people she lost her popularity so fast, it was as though she died. So although she is still alive to this day, she hasn't really been around since the '70s, explaining why some people would maybe assume she is dead (metaphorically at least)
"We're using cultural signifiers of femininity to prompt others to see us for what we are." I have never really understood why the hyper-feminine performative factor seems to be such a *thing* among trans women, when nails, makeup and heels don't *make* you a woman - but I think I finally get it. That makes a lot of sense! Especially when your safety often depends on "passing".
Yes I’m very thankful that his video cleared up the same concern for me. As a gay man though I still hold have one complaint and that is that trans women don’t belong on grindr. Since Grindr positioned itself as an inclusive queer dating space the opposite has happened and with the explosion of trans women using the app a huge population of straight men has been attracted and the environment has become extremely hostile and no longer gay friendly. Just yesterday I messaged a guy and he responded mocking me and saying he thought my mustache was hideous. More and more we see profiles that demand bottoms be “fem, cd, hairless or trans” It’s causing the expectations of women to be transposed onto gay men and i don’t like it. If I search for Tops in my City, Las Vegas what few results there are diluted further by a number of people presenting as women, which I respect and support, however am not attracted to. What I always liked about being gay was the relaxed fluid nature in the way people express gender. And the inclusiveness. However these days the main gay dating space has been swallowed up by an arms race of hyper-feminine and hyper-masculine gender expressions.
@@isidoreaerys8745 Wow, that's kind of fascinating although I get why you're not happy about it. I'm cis and straight.. whenever circumstances require boxes to be checked. (I like the term "heteroflexible" ha) I'm also chronically single and celibate so I'm pretty naive about these things. I never could have imagined such a thing could be happening. Maybe I find it fascinating due to maybe being a tiny bit of an autogynephile myself, although it's not like I'm about to run out, grab some fishnets, eyeshadow and sign up lol. I actually had heard of grinder though and for that to happen it must be waning in popularity by now. Don't lose hope, something better will come out soon probably. :)
I'm a 16 year old trans girl, I'm not out to anyone but a few really close friends, mostly because I'm scared of how people and especially my parents would react, but I just want to say that your videos keep me from abandoning who I am and I'm so thankful that you can make me feel accepted and cheer me up even on some of my darkest days
16 is already a tough age as it is. I'm not one to suggest coming out or not, but I can suggest you seek out like-minded people -- especially if the circles you run in are more conservative-minded. Best of luck, friend.
36 year old trans masc here and while we will undoubtedly have many different life experiences (and some in common) I want to say I support you and you are so valid. I also want you to know that people like me who didn't fully understand that we were trans until our 20s, 30s, or higher often admire people like you who are so wise and in touch with themselves during their youth. It's a really cruel world out there, but there are also a lot of great things about being trans and being yourself. And there are great Queer and Trans connections to be made. When shit gets hard, please hang in there and remember you are loved and cared for by our communities. Edited for typos
@Akauali Art i was like "fuck this, i'm too old for transition, i don't even hate my body anyway" i would definitely recommend to think about it thoroughly.
There's a lot of celebration around coming out (for good reason) but remember that there are definitely valid reasons for waiting to come out too. The fact that you're not giving up on who you are is enough.
You know, as a biological woman it sometimes hurts when other women insist that being a “woman” includes being sexually harassed or cat called. I’m not disparaging other peoples experiences, but that personally never happened to me. So when everyone goes around insisting that you need that experience in order to be a “real woman” it makes me feel like I need to be sexually harassed or assaulted in order to claim womanhood
I don't think you NEED that experience to be a "real woman," but a vast majority of women had that experience even as children. Like 9 out of 10 who you'd ask. So it's not a necessity to be a "real woman," but it is a shared experience of womanhood, kind of like a cultural experience, or shared trauma, and does form a sort of identity.
i always found this weird too. as a trans man, im always told im "actually a woman" because i have the "female experience", yet when i ask what they mean by this so-called "universal womanly experience", a solid chunk of it i cannot relate to at all lmao. i guess im not "actually a woman" after all
It IS weird. I'm a cis woman (ish?) and my experience with gender is like 90% the fact that there's a tiny person inside my brain and she's doing a twirl to make her skirt flare out. I find it odd that, when I define my gender identity along the lines of positive experience it's cute (if occasionally seen as naive), but when a trans person does it it's necessarily dysfunctional. I don't know if this makes sense, but yeah.
I agree. I think the numbers are exaggerated. I am the 3rd of 3 sisters, and one of us was raped as a child. My other sister and I haven't had any catcalling or assault or anything traumatic like that. So, yes, trauma happens, but it isn't shared by all of us, and just like gender is a spectrum, so is traumatic experiences. Trauma happens quite often to boys, too, and is probably way under-counted for them. So, traumatic experiences, helplessness, sense of no control is a shared experience to most humans of every race and gender. I would like to stop being told I'm a VICTIM because I'm a WOMAN, or being a woman is automatically ANYTHING! In fact, after I had a baby, I felt like a GODDESS of super-natural power. And, rape/trauma is TOTALLY something people can get over and go on with their lives. Don't ever tell anyone they can't get over that. Or they won't get over it.
Your point starting at about 9:20 regarding femininity, womanhood, gender-non-conformity, and the question about why feminists don't leave comments on Kardashian pictures regarding enforcing gendered norms by dressing fancy finally clarified a prejudice I've been struggling with for a while. As you said, I was/am one of those non-gender-conforming-cis-women who kind of side-eye the High Femme aesthetic many trans women adopt. I've struggled with this because having the "freedom" and courage to craft my own gender expression rather than conforming to feminine expectations has been a major part of my process of maturing and defining myself as a woman in our society. My girlhood, and especially my adolescence, was in many ways defined by defying those stereotypes and defending my clothing choices and (lack of) make-up and hair styles, mostly against other women and girls, while still identifying as a straight, cis woman rather than a lesbian. I was repeatedly, falsely, clocked as a lesbian in high school and college, and even accused of having a beard boyfriend, which made me very angry on my own behalf and on behalf of actual lesbians. It also made me reluctant to come out as bi for fear I'd be "confirming" everyone's "suspicions" about how I wasn't "really a woman", or not the right kind of woman, i.e. a straight woman. So I found it a bit off-putting to see my gender seemingly distilled into very shallow signifiers like fancy hair, nails, and makeup, which have been used by the patriarchal society to dismiss women as being "too frivolous" and "too superficial" while simultaneously demanding that women dress well and put heavy emphasis on how our appearance defines, or is at least heavily influences, our worth as humans. (And also, I realized an embarrassingly few years ago that identifying expertise in fashion, make-up, and hair styling as "shallow" pursuits, or indicating superficiality on the part of people who excel at these skills, is also a symptom of our cultural misogyny, dismissing these disciplines as somehow more venal or disposable than other art, because their main devotees are women and gay men.) Your explanation of why many trans women choose High Femme looks to make it crystal-clear what gender they are presenting as makes perfect sense. But the Kardashian example really clarified that I'd been staring "downstream" at people who were negatively affected by societal misogyny and transphobia, rather than looking "upstream" at the cultural messages and gatekeeping used to keep women obsessed with presenting as "proper" women, forcing all of us, cis, trans, straight, lesbian, bi, into uncomfortable roles that don't fit the people we really want to be. Thanks so much for this video.
This is the best comment ever. I too struggled with the same issues about femininity growing up. I've had to put up with everyone around me telling me that I should be more feminine, even one of my male gay friends once told me that I should wear more make up and a different style of clothes (more feminine of course), and I was like 'dude, would you like it if I went around telling you to be more masculine?'. It's like if people don't understand that being feminine is not all there is to being a woman. So, I also assumed that these ultra feminine attitudes that transwomen have were just another way to reinforce gender stereotypes. Now that Natalie explains it further it makes a lot of sense why transwomen act like that. This video was very enlightening. Thank you very much.
Very well said. I think we should remember that in the struggle for progress all marginalized people are our natural allies because even though they may experience oppression differently, they learn just by living their lives every day that they live in a society that is fundamentally not designed for them. That it was built to benefit someone else and put them on top. The bullshit of our world becomes felt and known just through daily experiences.
Brilliant. Refreshing. I'm a 70 yer old cis gender mostly hetero white male who has been strongly advocating for civil rights for and social acceptance of the full range of gender and sexual identity variation in my species from back before such was widely accepted even in "enlightened" "lefty" circles. Your presentation WAS, as you said you wished it to be, nuanced. And accurate. I also say this from the point of view of a physician who has had a life long interest... professionally and personally... in issues of gender and sexual identity. You have brilliantly contributed to educating many, even as you brilliantly entertained. Keep up the good work!
That Germaine Greer "grossed out" quote legit grossed ME out. How despicable can you be? To publicize your hatred towards someone so undeserving of hate like that.
It's just not okay to talk about a person like that who you just had nothing more but a cordial interaction with, no matter if it's about transsexuality, race, or if they prefer Squirtle over Charmander
Did Germaine Greer even ever get 100% confirmation that this woman was trans or "a man"? Some cis women are just very physically masculine, or have hormonal problems that cause them to have some male features.
😢I started to shed tears near the end. Speaking of transphobia’s rootedness in “disgust” was able to show me that I too, someone early in their trans journey, felt the same disgust. I’m so glad I watched this, it is brilliant & cathartic 💕💕💅🏾EXCUSE MY BEAUTY
Cutting wit, logic, production value, inclusivity, research, sincere introspection, and good old fashioned crude humor. I found your channel after watching a video poopooing you. Now, from top to bottom, pound for pound, I consider you the best UA-camr in the game.
@Stop the Philosophical Zombies "Be it feminine masculine or somewhere outside the gender binary, you should always wash your penis. Trans rights are human rights." -Jordan B. Peterson
@Ebony Panther "Kind of like white people in blackface..." This, right here, is what the root of your issue really is: Your core belief is that trans women are men disguising themselves as women, and are a hateful and undermining mockery of womanhood. I'm pointing this out for being the stark transphobia that it is.
Trans women are not effected by abortion rights the same way I am, but they were still there marching with us at abortion rallies despite being treated horribly by “pro-lifers” and pro choice people alike
KrishnaWashburn same. I actually started crying when Contra started talking about transphobia and the lizard brain, and this is the third time I’m watching the video.
Due to the candidness with which you discuss your own struggles with self-loathing and transphobia, and how you fight with this everyday, I think I speak for a lot of people when I say we appreciate the bloopers and the laughter, because it means a lot to us to see you happy Contra. This video is excellent, and you are doing a wonderful service. Keep smiling!
I'll bite, I used to have a lot of trasphobic views that could be labeled as 'TERF', before I even knew what that was. There were two sources of it, insecurity, and traumatic experience towards the opposite gender. The insecurity stemmed from me being a gay woman who doesn't dress like a girl. Probably part of me felt like it was pushing against what people judged me for most of my life. I'm not proud of the views I held. It took longer than I'd like to admit to change.
if you describe yourself as a "gay woman" who didn't dress "like a girl", maybe you weren't a radical feminist after all, - just a transphobic conservative.
I (white cis male gamer with less of a social life than is healthy - goddamn I'm lucky I didn't end up a full on incel) used to make a lot of those arguments you mentioned in the first 15 minutes of the video...I got past that before I found this channel, but I could never quite articulate why I stopped believing in those arguments - until now, and I'm absolutely amazed at how well you managed to phrase the counter-points to those arguments. I'm halfway through my second video of this channel as I write this and it already seems a bit life changing for me...
Dude I feel you, I swear we could almost be the same person. I feel like quite a lot of us used to be shitheads at some point in our lives, and I also remember when for some reason I also just kinda dropped my problematic thoughts. Sure, sometimes one of those thoughts still rattles it’s way into my dumbass lizard brain, but it’s not about whether or not you have those thoughts, it’s about your ability to recognise that they are wrong and to ignore them. I guess all that I’m trying to say is: welcome to the club.
@@ando5185 "it’s not about whether or not you have those thoughts, it’s about your ability to recognise that they are wrong and to ignore them" You resumed everything. Even the "most" feminist person can have sexist thoughts. Any trans person can have transphobic thoughts or behaviours. Being an inclusive feminist isn't _not being sexist_ or _not being transphobic,_ but being aware of our own sexist thoughts and behaviour, of others' ones, and to try to change things in the positive ways.
I wholeheartedly reject the idea that my identity as a woman must be defined by the worst things that have happened to me, which is how I see the essential core of the "you don't know what it's like" rhetoric. Like... I've been sexually abused, but my womanhood is not contingent on that. I've already spent too long defining my life by what happened. That's (part of) why I'm in therapy now, so I can stop doing that.
Right? I was expecting Contra to say at some point, 'Go get therapy you've always been in need for', which, I shall add, must come with a continuent human rights mindset, which they already do have. The only thing that's missing is that, while being on the right side of things, in its' core those, if repulsive, TERF and the like people settled for the first step of realizing the problem - that is, pure hate. They have all the right in the world to feel what they feel, but in order to become the very heroes they've always dreamed of becoming, this pain, and loss, and offence, must at some point transform into positive, resilient in its' good, and constructive agenda, with which Contra decided not to conclude her narration, but which therapy can and will provide.
hey um, gender has never been useful for anything BUT oppression, yall love talking about how its a social construct ever wonder WHY society mightve constructed gender??? maybe to keep women passive? you dont have to define yourself by your trauma and im sorry that happened to you, but that doesnt mean theres anything intrinsically good about the concept of gender as a whole.
Something that reminded me of this video is in Juno Dawson's book "What's the T?", where she says that, 'it's not transphobic to have questions, it is transphobic to have concerns', because concerns are usually built off of scepticism and negative presumptions. So I never give the time of day to people who have 'concerns' about my identity and how I choose to live my life, but anyone who has questions I am more than happy to talk to.
I love you, Natalie. I’m a shallow post-boomer, old as the Flintstones, so much of this gender fluidity is news to me. I desperately want to understand, to advocate, and be utterly converted. You have made great strides toward this-in my own stupid heart. God you’re beautiful. Keep me thinking. Keep me questioning what I was raised with. I learned and believe in gender equality, and in this 21st century, so should we all. Keep talking, Natalie. Keep converting me. PS your costuming is amazing. And so are you. Thank you for posting. I’ve been looking for something from you for weeks. Stay gorgeous as you are.
I think all of us where never had to go through the trans experience would find all of this new. But its exciting and interesting, and its great we have a teacher like Natalie with the patience to walk us through it.
Drink out of a coffee mug or teapot and no one will question why you're getting drunk at 8am coz they'll just think you're a responsible functioning adult who really loves coffee/tea! *_LIFEHACK!_*
@@bryntendo once a friend bought wine to a party, me and my other friends drank it from mugs. The guy was really confused when he saw that the wine disappeared if no one was seen drinking it (??
Camila Lmao, it didn't even occur to him that people are able to drink wine out of something other than a wine glass? Bahaha, that would've been hilarious. I used to live with a friend who was notorious for always breaking glasses at parties, so we didn't have any wine glasses or nice glassware after a while and everyone had to drink out of coffee mugs, empty jars, plastic keep cups, or straight from the bottle - All our photos from parties during that time look so ridiculous, all these obviously drunk 19yr olds clinking their coffee mugs together during a house party at night 😂
Kris Keall I bought a bottle of Hendricks gin that actually came with a nifty little teacup and saucer. The gin is loooooong gone, hahaha, but I still have the cup and saucer, they're just so stylized and quaint. Never actually drank the gin out of it though, it's a very small teacup that wouldn't even hold the amount of gin I usually put in my drink let alone any mixer, ice, or garnish lol. Still, the gin came with a proper china cup and saucer, so I have to assume they wanted consumers to drink out of teacups/coffee mugs right? 😂
I'm a trans guy from Russia, and holy shit, we have so much terf. There is not a single community where they would not crawl through, often they purposefully seek out trans people and write nasty things to them just for fun, threaten to leak the address, cooperate with male misogynists with pleasure (and they don’t care that they should work against misogynists. for them where it is more important to inflict as much damage as possible on the oppressed group). They are just fascists. I am very grateful to you for covering this topic.
As a straight CIS man of baby boomer age, you pretty much single-handedly keep me current on what's happening at the cutting edge of social issues, not to mention being a primary source of modern vocabulary & terminology. Smart, snarky, informed and lovely--thanks for doing what you do, Natalie.
The uterus=woman not only screws over trans, non-binary, AND some people who are intersexed, it also makes those of us who have had hysterectomies feel even worse than losing a body part already has! Body parts do not make gender, our brains (and societal constructs) do!
As an AFAB person with an Adam's Apple, being exposed to TERF rhetoric and the way they talk about trans women as little more than a set of typically-masculine secondary sexual characteristics can also irrevocably damage cis women's relationships with their bodies. I grew up as a woman, was socialized as a woman, and otherwise presented 100% feminine but I'd still get "clocked" as a man by strangers on the internet. Even now as an Agender person who feels comfortable embracing things that used to make me feel shame, I still hate my neck. I can't imagine how it must feel to be a woman with prominent facial hair or less than delicate features to read the bile they spew. TERFs are poison to all women.
It really sucks. To the point where finally learning how to trim and fill in your hairline to look "as it should" almost makes you cry because of how more whole it makes you feel. Having been "told" by media and fashion all your life that you're a fake woman for having been born with a "broken" body is easier to ignore (because that is their bread and butter to sell things) than actual people who hate you just for looking what you look like as if your mere existence destroys and poisons the environment. I can't imagine how traumatic it would be to be American where they don't just look disapprovingly at you but actually drag you out of bathrooms for looking "wrong" despite having the "right" reproductive system and not being trans. Edit: not that it would ever be forgivable to do something that horrible to a transwoman/transman. Just that the assholes fail even at their own goals.
^^^this It actually bugs me how often the discourse completely dismisses the fact that cis women don't all look like Hollywood actresses. Cis women can be tall or broad-shouldered, and they can have big hands or adam's apples or facial hair or hairy arms or just otherwise masculine features. Hell, most cis women are hairier than the ideal notion of feminity would suggest and pretty much nobody can achieve the perfect hairless doll thing naturally unless they're literally a child. (Or have a condition that causes hair loss, except then they also don't have the hair they're supposed to have because baldness is also not accepted.) So yeah, that's also creepy. If anything, destigmatising trans womanhood would help a lot of cis women too and it's incredibly frustrating having so-called feminists presenting impossible beauty standards as a sign of purity. Anyway, I realise that this is not a great argument in that it's still more about cis women's feelings than about the inherent validity of trans women, but it's a pretty relevant point all the same, I feel.
@@syystomu it's a relevant point because they claim to care about "actual" women (XX women, as opposed to the AFABs who have XY) and are "protecting them" but this proves that they're lying/wrong even about their bigoted goals.
really makes you think, huh? They parade around as if they care about women but ultimately their cause is about shrinking the cage of gender. "If you don't match X, then you're not a woman." is the exact type of message that most sane feminists would try to defeat. It's the one they _did_ work so hard to defeat. Now these TERFs are desperate to have their womanhood validated by an arbitrary checklist of appearances and behaviours. I wonder what they think of CIS women who need to shave.
As a young trans man, I'm really grateful for your videos. They're informative and funny (not to mention your outfits and backdrops are astounding) and I've learned a lot from you. Thank you for being the trans icon and teacher I've been looking for for so long. Keep slayin' queen!
I have always said that comparing suffering is ridiculous, everyone's personal suffering is the greatest suffering on Earth because it's theirs. We should find people who understand our personal suffering and empathise with us and then support each other rather than compete for sympathy. So I absolutely agree with this video and I think you explained your perspective clearly and concisely, bravo! Also, I'm so grateful for what you said about cis women periods, I felt so seen and understood, thank you. I suffer from PMDD really bad, I can't hold a regular job because for two weeks every month I can't even walk without tripping on everything and walking face-first into walls because I completely lose depth perception (there are handrails all over my house so I don't injure myself) my energy level drops so low that I can't even take a shower without panting and needing to lie down for an hour after, plus my memory and cognitive capability drops to the level of a goldfish. So many women have looked down on me because they don't believe periods can possibly be so debilitating, just because theirs isn't, and of course the people who don't even menstruate as well. It's awful and I can't argue with them because yeah, I'm useless for half my life. And you don't need to tell me how useless I am, I already know and cry about it for two weeks every month.
“everyone’s personal suffering is the greatest suffering on Earth because it’s theirs” is an absolutely amazing quote. also, as someone with severe chronic illness and a physical disability I can really relate to the feeling of being completely useless and how emotionally painful it is.
@GiRayne certainly the parts about early male vs female socialisation, specifically the experience of being sexualised by grown men as a 9 year old girl, but also being shamed out of being outspoken or defending myself, never getting STEM toys, my all girls school not offering fascinating and useful but "male" subjects, being horribly harassed as a female gamer and a bunch of other background radiation that had real effects on what I felt I could be, and who I became. These were the formative 'injustices' that fuelled so much of my feminist energy, that I did have some of the "stolen valour" feelings that contra named and explained. That's what's super helpful. That's the antidote.
I don't mean to be inflammatory here so I apologize if I end up being that way, but isn't this a kind of suffering one upism? Like people sitting around and saying I suffered more and that makes me better. I'm a dude, I wouldn't dare say that anything that happened to me is on par with what happens to women and non binary people but it's something I engaged in. Using the pain others inflicted upon you to claim to be superior and to put down others who haven't suffered like we did? Saying they're not real because they don't have the same pain? Instead of the inverse and saying yeah I had some real bad shit happen to me but I'm going to use that as motivation to try and make sure it doesnt happen to anyone else? Once again, I apologize if I come off like an asshole here. Thank you for your time.
@@anjetto1 Yeah I think that's exactly what it is, right? I think Contra calls it an America's Next Top Victim contest. But yeah, I think it means a lot of people nurse feelings that their suffering is unacknowledged, even if they are outwardly allies. Everyone's a work in progress, and this video helped me make more progress - towards exactly what you're saying, using the fuel of the bad shit that happened to you to make things better for others. I think it's one of the most powerful things in some of Contra's videos, where she pulls on the thread of the hidden doubts and guilty thoughts of allies, teases those issues out, and talks it through, but not in a super hardcore callout way. I find that enormously helpful, and I appreciate the hard work that goes into that. BTW I was super nervous about even commenting cause admitting this stuff is a little scary, people are being very kind, you don't come off as an asshole at all.
'Cis' is code for any woman that trans disagree with, used as a pejorative. Are there really any people who fully identify with the sex stereotypical roles that society imposes on us? No. It's supposedly taken from chemistry but chemists say that it doesn't mean what trans think it does. Please consider calling yourself a woman. A woman is more than a feeling in a man's head. Perhaps consider also checking out what radical feminism actually is, not what men are saying it is. Another relatively new word, terf, is the new word for 'bitch' or 'witch'. All misogynists now love mocking women with this word.
I am also a cis female feminist that has battled some of these questions. Most of my bias however comes from a financially and emotionally abusive ex who has recently come out as trans woman. I am still trying to balance supporting her transition because I can't even imagine what struggling with that type of body dysphoria must feel like, but also trying to deal with the very real trauma that she caused. I have that visceral reaction to some trans females when they remind me of my ex, not because I am disgusted by trans men or women but because of my past years of abuse. Contra Points has been very helpful as I try to work through this.
@Zainab Maliki "There’s just no reasoning a transphobe out of bigotry." This is the quote of the comment. I was making a general point. I am not a transphobe myself. I believe in a universal right to justification. And I have changed my views many times.
This. You are a good person. Thank you for not only having the courage it takes to critically examine core values, which is genuinely difficult, but to share this development with us. People don’t always accept someone changing their views, and it can be hard to publicly acknowledge that you were wrong about something important to you. I’ve been having a very hard night, and being reminded that people can be better really helped me. Thank you.
Fun story I actually had someone used the “Why do people need gender specific pronouns, gender roles are oppressive already why don’t we concentrate in abolishing that?” My response was basically “The whole reason we are having this conversation is because you can’t handle the idea of calling someone they/them, do you really think you’re ready to abolish gender?”
Fun story, there's a Hispanic-American I'm "Facebook friends" with because of an online gaming group; you know the "share with X people" from the likes of when Farmville and Candy Crush were popular. They keep saying that people are only men or women, that there's no possibility for intermediary identities, and that the deciding factor is chromosomes and physicality. It took literally pointing out that their wife probably wouldn't want them to be shoving their face and hands into other peoples' crotches to confirm whether someone in a pair of slacks has a penis or a skirt or dress has a vagina before they admitted that a person's identity and thus their gender isn't dependent upon their genitalia. (They then retract this conceit in the next post, which gets me to tag their wife to point out that her husband still wants to feel every person's dick and vagina.) Even after getting them to accept that they shouldn't be trying to stick their hands down other peoples' pants, they still then refuse to grant a gender identity that isn't singularly exclusively either male or female. Twice so far I literally invoked Spanish, a language they claim as primary alongside English, to show that per their own language you can have an entire paragraph discussing a person without using any specific gender pronouns. Admittedly adjectives are still gendered, but alternating gendered adjectives or employing masculine-gendered adjectives is applicable for gender-neutral contexts such as when a noun isn't intrinsically gendered. Because in Spanish items like books and pencils and houses and pets and phones and computers and literally everything that is a thing has a gender despite not having either a dick or a vagina. (Which the Spanish-speaking Hispanic-American apparently never realized in his lifetime of speaking Spanish...)
And you cant handle being called he/she so you pretend you're something else instead of fighting stereotypes. This works both ways, though of course every 'woke' reading this will dismiss this because all that counts is towing the line, not logic, not reality
This video is excellent. As an unapologetic radical feminist who thinks feminism is about the safety and protection of women and girls, especially the most vulnerable among us including trans women, I have to spend a lot of time unpacking and challenging myself to not get wrapped up in bioessentialism. I honestly think a lot of "gender critical" feminists agree a lot more with trans feminists more than they know. Thanks for making this video!
I feel like they would agree even more if gender activists didn't demonize radical feminists, misrepresent it's points and send death and rape threats. Talk about girls' and womens' safety.
Just cited your JK Rowling video in a master's program paper about gender dysphoria and the trans community. Always amazing content! Thanks for the reference!
My favorite thing about Natlaie's vids is that I learn a ton about subjects I was only passingly familiar with while laughing a lot. I wish all forms of education were this good.
Hi, I'm Russian, and I want to say thank you. In our country, transgender people must go through a lengthy Commission to prove that they are really men or women. Then they must prove it in court so that their documents are changed. They also don't issue documents if you haven't performed any operations. The people here are very strange. Recently, a friend of mine who recognized my biological gender because she saw my documents at work told my friend that I was born a girl. My friend did not treat me any worse, but I began to feel that I was lying, communicating the same way as before. And the one who said that justified herself by saying that she wanted to help. "What if he doesn't knew and behaved inappropriately? But I told him, and now he won't say anything inappropriate to you." Really? In short, this video has lifted my spirits and I feel good, thank you. Sorry for my terrible English.
"What if he doesn't knew and behaved inappropriately?" What the hell... It is THIS person who does behave inappropriately. Nobody needs to know how you were assigned at birth, except yourself.
Kim Kardashian Un I feel like you are the delusional one, my friend. Educate. Get outside. Breathe some air. And then stop commenting on videos weeks after they happen thinking that people won’t respond to your idiocy. I will. And guess what? Not stopping.
God damn, as a cis male gamer, only three days into your videos, and you’ve already opened me up to so many new ideas. Your videos are great, and you’re doing an awesome job!
Guy Fieri Is My God MVP man! :3 This is so wonderful to hear. We often get the impression from the internet that everyone holds there opinions so fervently to heart that no amount of discussions will ever change anyone's mind. But the world is actually full of lovely people like you who are happy to change their point of view when new information and perspectives are discovered.
As a 16 year old cis girl, I have never been cat called once, and I almost feel like I’m living in a parallel reality to my friends, who talk about being catcalled since they were 12, and about how much they fear walking alone. Hearing the argument about “trans women don’t know how it is to be catcalled as a child” makes me feel insecure. Am I not qualified in their eyes or am I just exceptionally ugly? I really liked hearing all of your talking points and love the costuming and effort
I know it must feel like that, but actual harassment feels terrifying and never has it ever felt like a compliment, I don't miss it when I don't get it, nothing to do with how you look or where you are, some men are just assholes, I'm never dressed up or look good when I go outside and still get catcalled, don't worry about it :)
Woman being street harassed is the oppression of patriachy on to them : men just feel like they can do that. If you feel bad because you are not being harassed, it is a also an effect of the patriarchy, altho more insidious. I cannot give you 16 y.o cis girl advices because i'm a 25 yo cis boy and at your age I had conviently put all thoughts about my body under the rug. But maybe my more recent journey towards loving my body may help you 😀 Here is what I've been trying to do for 2 years : collect various stories about my body. I know that i don't know shit about my body, what about asking ? Asking a dear friend what she thinks of me, asking my boyfriend. Not "Do you think I am beautiful?" But "What do you like about my body?". Asking others to take photos of me during events and asking myself or others, "what do you like about me on this" Piece by piece I'm collecting a story : My hair do what they want and are everywhere, but my boyfriend told me they are also soft, thin, almost fluffy. Friends told me I can have a beautiful smile, but I never saw it because I'm unable to show it for a mirror or a camera. I know I have beautifull eyelashes because some girlfriends envy them but I never brought myself up to putting them forward (male beauty standards!!). Pictures convinced me that I have some nice muscle definition on my back, very sexy!, but I'm still obsessed by the fat on my belly that I see everyday. So accepting my body is a work in progress ^^ I hope this is can be of any help to you :D
Also I don't share this culture so I didn't think about it but OF COURSE I was thinking about photos without editing !! See also Beauty of Contraptions
Only pretty women get cat called. So if you’re 16, you are like at height of feminine until 25, so you’re Probbaly ugly if you arnt being cat called bow
I was a long term heroin addict for 5 years. I recovered, but people still think "you're a normal guy, how could you be an addict?" Not to compare it to LGBTQ, , but I get the way socity puts a label on you. Getting judged instantly is the worst
absolutely. addiction is so deeply stigmatized. this applies to any stigmatized minority and terfs are, for some reason, fighting in support of that stigma
Hi. Cis guy trying to learn so I can be a better friend to my trans buddy. I’ve had a lot of questions rattling around that I didn’t have a place to ask. This was really helpful.
Bryn M Yeah, because we all know feminists like to dress up like drag queens and show off their cleavage. Clearly he is demonstrating he is a man who believes that being a woman equates to nothing more than sexist stereotypes.
Aahh I'm a transfemmenine person like 14 months into HRT and I'm just laying here on the couch crying. TFW Natalie perfectly articulates feelings that you didn't think you were allowed to have
"The National Mall is not going to bleed on itself!" Well that seems presumptuous. You don't know the National Mall, nor its labyrinthine innards nourished by rich, dark life force. Sometimes, when the moon is high and the screeching of avian hordes thickens the air its blood must be let to ensure the harvest will not disappoint.
6:21 “Can you _define_ “womanhood” for me?” That reminds of when transphobic ex-sitcom writer Graham Linehan was Diogenes’d on Twitter, pretty much a year ago to the day. Someone asked him to define “chair” in a way that included all chairs but excluded everything else. He defined it as “a separate seat for one person, typically with a back and four legs”. His definition ended up excluding a chair which rested on a continuous plank, but also ended up including a bathtub and a _horse._
“A chair which rest on a continuous plank” that just sounds like a bench. And I don’t really see how defining chair is relevant to the conversation. Since they are entirely different and conceptually incomparable.
@@penmaster003 terfs often ask for some catch all definition of womanhood, but there really isn't one answer, in the same way that there's no one good definition for chair.
@Not Epic But a chair is an identifiable and tangible object. Womanhood is intangible and abstract concept. They are not even in the same category at all. So it doesn’t really matter if you can’t define chair effectively because it is not comparable to womanhood. I think the fact that a chair is an inanimate object and womanhood is part of a collective identity that all women, terf or otherwise, have a say in determining its definition makes that argument inapplicable.
As a trans girl i just want to thank you for your amazing content and sheer badassery. Thank you for being a role model for trans people. They can be hard to come by.
Not to be rude, but an alcoholic opiate addict who used to harass feminists with porn isn't my idea of a role model I mean, I am being rude to Contra, not to you
Cried at the “COPS” episode part. I’ve had cops dig through my stuff to try to really shame/hurt/provoke me in a deeply personal way, and I cannot imagine what it feels like when you wear those vulnerabilities on your sleeve. Very very moving. Still crying. Cheers.
I cried too. It is so hard to not give in to society when they try to kill your vibes, experiences and life by dehumanizing you just becase you're weird and threatening to their sense of truth (their own regrets of not being authentic themselves and trapped too). That resilience has made me stronger thank you stephanie.
I worked w a trans woman at my last job and she did more than any cis woman there when it came to fighting for a lactation room and other work place rights for women. She didn’t just limit it to women and fought for a lot of general work place rights. ❤. I think part of the problem is not enough ppl have ever even met a trans person and assume all kinds of BS. When I learned that my coworker was trans I was surprised and yet not. She was more feminine than I was so it made sense 100%, Of course she’s a woman. She’s exactly who she was meant to be and I can’t imagine her any other way.
I am constantly blown away by the sheer amount of thought, time and effort you put into the costumes, background, and lighting. They come together beautifully to portray a clear theme; to be the backdrop for your well researched and clearly articulated message. Bravo, Natalie. Bravo.
*not thought out but picked up from community college philosophy and a rudimentary misunderstanding of biology, enough to confused people whose hearts are accepting and won't hurt anyone's feelings. But im not afraid of hurting peoples feelings. contra is an ugly, sad man with too much perceived intellect snd no real substance, they just make accusatory statements while in drag costumes. who fucking cares?
@@burningspoonful Are you a troll? "Trans fascism". And really ironic saying nasty animal considering all of the misogynistic things you said previously.
@@stubbypepperroni2357 LOL okay, Contra will make at least 20 'I like the way dicks feel inside my mouth' jokes in EVERY video guaranteed while maintaining a false air of superiority and education (barf) and YOU will still act like there is any integrity in him to defend, hes a grown man who likes playing dress up, I suppose at least hes honest because he knows he 'used' to be a man and isnt flat out lying about being the same as a woman assigned her female identity at birth, but he is still WILDLY conceited just for the sake of having his own thoughts out there.
I would just like to point out that Caitlyn Jenner's views also have a lot to do with her social class (and not just her upbringing). I have seen some other upper class women like her (cis-trans alike) make similar crass remarks, largely due to being privileged from the upstart. Peace.
Intersectionality is a very small factor compared to wealth and social class. Elites use intersectionality to avoid discussion of wealth disparities (actual privilege) as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
@@nutlawatgmail that's the thing that bothers me most about the new "woke" discourse. because I feel it's very "American" in that it tackles all kinds of "isms".... except classism. despite that actually being the oppressive structure with most victims (since the rich... and especially the super-rich make up such a small percentage of the population. and in contrast the (proverbial) have-nots make up for the vast majority of it).
@@xxxaragon When we follow the money, it's the super-rich and gigacorporations that are funding the whole woke movement to begin with. I think it's pretty clear that they want to exaggerate the fault lines between the 99%, and keep us fight against each other, so we ignore the super-rich who aren't getting taxed, when they've benefitted most from society and should be carrying the whole financial burden.
When you started “abolish gender” segment, i was a little bit concerned but then you said that my utopian pipe dream is valid so thanks! it means a lot to me!
I've been an "abolish borders" utopianist for as long as I've been politically aware, only more recently come to the "abolish gender" one. I don't believe I'll see either come to fruition in my lifetime, but that doesn't mean we can’t lay the groundwork for it now and hopefully our descendants can one day see it happen! ❤️✊
The internet has really helped me identify as agender and helped normalize that attitude. When people talk to me, it is a sentiment that I try to reinforce.
My god! You are.... I don´t even know what words to use but I am blown away. Thank you for making this video, I am feeling... so happy right now it is almost ridiculous. Being a 50 year old trans man, having transitioned for about 8 years, yeah I hear you... You are an amazing woman. I will share the crap out of this video. Hugs from this old viking :-)
I don’t see many trans men around. I’ve considered it for myself but among many other things the small representation/community kinda intimidate me. I’m happy you made it work! You go man!
Contrapoints wouldn't have been conceivable 50 years ago, which gives me hope for discourse 50 years from now which I now can't fathom. The way Natalie unites punditry with art displays her intellect, imagination, and honest vulnerability in a way that is frankly a joy and a privilege to watch.
God, imagine what maybe unknown works of the present day, will be the model for its genre in the future. Not just in forms of discours, but also in litertature, theatre, cinema and art. I sometimes wonder what things are going over our heads right now, but will be classics tomorrow.
Cross-dressers have been dressing down feminists for the past 50 years, so wtf are you on about? I dread to think how much more acceptable anti-feminism will become within "the left" over the next 50 years.
I think it could have been conceivable 50 years ago. The real change is the visibility due to the internet. There's so much potential in everybody and it's not like lgbtq spaces mysteriously popped up only in her generation. I bet if the internet existed back then, there could have been a prequel to contra. The internet enables people like her to get support and a platform that 50 years ago would be locked behind bureaucracy and the mainstream media.
As a cis lesbian, one thing I’ve always thought was strange about the TERF argument is the idea that there’s one unifying experience that makes you a woman. Womanhood is a vast, diverse set of experiences that can’t really be boiled down to “women are oppressed for having two X chromosomes”, even among cis women. What being a woman means varies by race, class, sexuality, culture, disability, and a whole host of other things. OF COURSE trans women are going to experience misogyny differently from the way cis women experience it, because there isn’t a solid “female experience” to begin with. As a lesbian, my experiences with misogyny are going to be different from a straight woman’s experiences with misogyny. But I don’t hear TERFs trying to claim that I’m not a “real woman” because I don’t have to deal with IPV from men.
Right on, something similar to this came out in the UK last year during the public consultation about allowing self ID for gender identity certificates. As noted in the video, radical feminists argue strongly against rigid gender norms and stereotypes of women in society and rightly so! Women should be able to define for themselves how their life should be and not be stigmatised for diverging from society's expectations of femininity. But in the self ID debate, that laudable stance kinda fell down. TERFs demanded that Trans folk shouldn't be allowed to self ID without going through a clinical process, and should be expected to live 'in role' for at least 2 years. But when it comes to definiing what that role is, it was basically just down to sterreotypical femininity for trans women. Masculinity for trans men. And as for who defines those roles? Leave it up to the clinician who might not be a woman. Patriarchal control distilled. That kind of situation is something most Radical feminists would abhor if it were imposed on a cis woman. Conform to this rigid norm or you'll NEVER earn your legal recognition as a woman! it's brutal! But because of transphobia, the principles go out of the window. It's baffling to me.
I would bet that a little trans girl has seen much more misogyny than the women on social media who say sexism doesn't exist and don't have any female friends because they "don't do drama"
the focus on "male socialization" is funny to me because as a trans man who looked (to the world) like a cis woman until i was about 20, the "traumas of girlhood" that they treat as universal have never happened to me. i was a nerdy unpopular kid living in a small norwegian town. i dont think i was ever catcalled. i've also never been forced to wear a dress or keep my hair long when i didnt want to. my family and friends were never people who imposed harsh gender stereotypes on me or judgmental when i cut my hair short or anything like that. i was just was never someone who experienced these supposedly "universal" traumas of being seen as a girl. i was never made to do extra housework or "act ladylike." i've never experienced slut-shaming or sexualized comments about my appearance while i'm just going about my day. like, sure, i got a few "go make me a sandwich" jokes from nerdy male friends in middle school, but they were pretty obviously jokes, albeit annoying ones. also, around that point i already identified as a trans man internally and those comments just don't hit as hard when you don't see yourself as a woman. maybe it would have been more traumatizing if i saw womanhood as something key to my person, but i just never did. so... what are these supposedly universal traumas???
i think a lot of TERFs (not gonna speculate on the proportion) went through abuse from men growing up, and maybe they project those experiences as being "universal", or try to universalize them to coat their transphobia in feminist optics. it's sad, there's a lot of pain and trauma underlying transphobia from TERFs and they develop morbid hateful obsessions over it. so that may be part of it at least; another part might be some TERFs wanting to claim the trauma of other women in order to craft a monolithic conception of "womanhood" which definitionally excludes transwomen.
This is so insightful to me, I'm a transwoman and I certainly resonate with your experience. Early on my childhood, my parents noticed that I'm not comforming to the typical "boy" as a kid. My expressions, manerrisms, my gestures and the way I speak, it all exsudes femininity. And because of that, I experience being cat called and get harrassed by other boys as a KID! I kept it to myself because I don't know how to tell it to my parents without them being confused. I fear that they wouldn't belive me, since they percieved me as their 'son', that's why it would be absurd for them that I would experience such harassment in other boys. (I'm not a girl for them, so it would be impossible or might even be funny for them to hear such things). It was hell for me and I have no one to talk to in those times. I believe, my experience as a kid made me hypervigilant and scared at men, even now that I am 20. Hence, you can't assume someone's childhood experiences based of their biological sex alone. Unfortunately, TERFs think that way and they often use it on their bigoted beliefs and transphobia.
Your experience sounds great. I have the stereotypical trauma here mentioned and hate my experience but like I still feel I am a woman. I hated period so much because my gynaecological issue, still feel I am a woman. I really feel some of TERFs are projecting their trauma. Like, i feel your gender only depends on what gender you identify with. I was also the nerdy unpopular gal haha yeah just to say this to add to the convo Edit: typo
That’s because you are from Norway. I wish every other country would learn something from the Scandinavian countries. You can’t understand how jealous we are of you guys. I experienced my first serious criminal-level sexual harassment when I was 7. Luckily I was well prepared to handle it due to a school sex Ed class I had literally weeks before the incident, and immediately informed my parents, who dealt with it quickly. as a result I don’t have a lot of trauma from that. The school sex ed course that protected me was taught to boys AND girls. TERFs seem to think all girls experience sexual trauma and it’s a unique female experience but that’s just not true. And it’s not like I didn’t identify as a girl before that. Unlike what TERF said, trauma isn’t what made me women. And like you said, it’s not even universal. Girls in many other cultures would have had it 100 times worse than me. Are they more women than I am? I don’t get the obsession they have over trauma.
You really are that internally misogynistic? You really are that ignorant to women as a sex class and our oppression? You are a woman. Coming from another trans man who doesn’t want to be reduced to a womb owner.
It's my crazy version of a Barbie dream house! Chintz and knick-knacks galore are either in your grandma's house or Natalie's house, so we need to bring it back to the normies!
Wait, hang on. I just realized this was released on the anniversary of Stephanie Yellowhair's passing. Oh my heart. I guess there's nothing to add except - say it with me - "Excuse my beauty".
This is utterly brilliant. I must have watched it five times now, over the past three years since I accepted my own gender identity, and every time I laugh out loud repeatedly and am bawling by the end of it. Probably the most cogent summing-up of TERFism for the uninitated, with enough in-jokes to keep the rest of us entertained too. Pure gold.
god. this was my first contrapoints video. i remember So well putting that on while i was messing around with makeup and expecting just another white noise sort of video essay to half listen to while doing other things. i think it was a month or so after it was posted. then a few minutes in i dropped all the makeup and just got mesmerized with the video and the way natalie frames her arguments :') it makes me happy to come back to it having followed her for years now. i think its a video that definitely has aged well, and seeing how far her channel has gone makes me so happy. i love coming back to this, it will remain one of my favorite contrapoints videos even after the hunger released and stunned me the way it did
Here's an old Soviet joke: who were the first communists? Adam and Eve, of course! Why? They had no house, no clothes and only one apple to share, yet they thought they lived in paradise...
This came out right around when i began my transition and ever since, every time i have a bad day "no one knows what it's like to be the sad tran" plays in my head lmao.
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Oooh it's gonna be a juicy one!
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HI MOM
There definitely are pink brains and blue brains. Living people have pink brains and people who died of cyanide poisoning have blue brains.
lmao thank you for this
@@FreeTheDonbas Bud, give it a fucking rest and go do something nice for yourself.
@@FreeTheDonbas a cpervert? never heard of that one before
This made me wheeze. Thank you.
Wild
After this video, whenever someone asks “is so-and-so dead?” I will respond “scholars remain divided”
I was dead!
Phoenix Dawn scholars remain divided
"This week, police sources announced they are pursuing a new lead in the case of the serial murderer known as The Over-Literal Man who brutally hacked apart fifteen college professors in academic sites all across the country. The only lead they have had thus far is a note left by the killer reading Scholars Remain Divided".
Cinderball I never thought someone making a joke about me being a mass murderer would make me laugh, but bravo!!
@@dylanchouinard6141 Hehehe
absolutely shook to the core upon finding out there are people behind the camera
S H O O K E T H
I know honey, it was hard for all of us
Theryn was just visiting Nat during the filming. She normally does the filming by herself.
SandsJ Thank you for that, for some reason her having a crew just doesn't sit right with me, I guess it just makes it feel less personal
Sorry Natalie, you have to keep doing all the work by yourself :)
I am SAYING
Natalie's "inner terf" looks like a Sailor Moon villain. I love it.
Hey I mean Queen Beryl really did give off terfy vibes
Idk I think she's giving Rita Repulsa from Power Rangers
Or...Maleficent
@@mwells0017 That's who I was thinking about.
Yer Dad saw this and now he's tutting at BBC Good Morning cause they got Germaine Greer on again
Lol 😂
Literally the same day I first saw the Yer Dad character I went to visit my parents, and my dad did that precise same thing. I didn't know whether to roll my eyes or burst out in hysterical laughter.
No one's better at waking up daddies than Contra.
Tut-tut-tut, BBC!
Can we expect Ian N. Drivel to return, Olly?????
Hey, real talk? She could make a killing as a costume designer. Every outfit and character is _iconic._
@@Irgendwelche5 Silence, clown.
@@Pebphiz ?
@@Irgendwelche5 found the cwm
@@carlslabs5368
cwm? Is that your master?
@Lyn K did you not watch the video?
"Excuse my beauty" is iconic. Ugh. RIP Stephanie Yellowhair, your spirit is not forgotten. Your acknowledgement of her was so poignant and made me tear up a bit. Great video.
I know I got teary eyed and wondered if her heart survived such abuse. This is so sad to hear.
So did I.
right! i'm tearing up right now, first out of sadness for her mistreatment and then out of appreciation for her response.
I like tans on my legs but not on my face!
al gonzález she doesn’t deserve death or abuse regardless of whether or not you want to fuck her. But I get it, being such a smooth brained idiot must be hard for you, I don’t blame you for malding.
The quote at the beginning makes me so sad. Imagine reading someone's book and being so thrilled to meet them, gushing about what an inspiration they've been, how they've changed your life... and then you pick up a copy of their next book and read... that. :(
You wouldn't say the same thing if a black rights activist told a white fan that the book wasn't for them. Could've been more polite but the point she was making is the same. Not saying she's right, but that's what she was saying
@@sandworm9528 It's not relatable in any way.
sameeeee I thought about it just after reading it
@@m3rify maybe you're not comfortable with the analogy, but it is the same. Race and gender are both social constructs, and people have both gender identity and racial identity
@@sandworm9528 Yeah I don't think they'd then call a human being an 'it' mate.
The stereotype of the trans woman wearing her mom's clothes when a child not only harms trans women but also cis men. I'm cis and tried in my mom's clothes as a young child. It wasn't because I was trans. It was because gender exploration is part of how we come to understand our gender identity.
Me, I did it because I wanted to be taller and heels seemed the obvious solution.
So how is it harmful to trans women if it's common for children to do? It's just a common shared experience
@@samuelhamblin7535 The commonality is why it's harmful. Not every child who tries on their opposite gender parent's clothes is trans. Not every trans child will try on their parent's clothes. Stereotypes are harmful in general. Not all Asians are good at math. Not all black people like watermelon and fried chicken. Small stereotypes like this feed the more harmful forms of discrimination like bathroom bills and Jim Crow voting suppression by othering our fellow human beings.
@@Theroha I think you're overreacting. I don't think anyone said everyone who tries on their parent's clothes is trans
I wore my 1 yr. older sister’s old dresses (in public, too). My father got a little nervous but my mother just let me wear whatever I wanted. Was I showing *early signs of transsexualism* that needed to be *fought* before it took hold?! Nah, my older sister was simply my only idol and frame of reference, so I just imitated her.
Reminds me of that anecdote ben shapiro told once about how he caught his young son wearing his wife’s shoes. He put a stop to that immediately and bought the kid a pair of cowboy boots instead. Quality parenting right there: Teaching his kid to fear the appearance of femininity is certain not to breed toxic masculinity.
"Excuse my beauty"
This has been a staple in LGBTQ parlance for a while, and had no idea that it came from a trans woman in the face of oppression. I'm always shocked by how dark our history is.
I went and watched the clip, and it's even more badass and depressing in its full context.
I'm currently in the process of educating myself on trans issues and wider LGBTQ+ culture to support a friend who is currently transitioning and to be honest it's shocking how true this is.
So much of the humour I have come across in the LGBTQ+ community is rooted in really dark stuff. I know a lot of great comedy historically was created by marginalised and oppressed groups but the context of "excuse my beauty" is honestly so upsetting, and yet there's something so powerful about that moment of defiance that I can totally understand why its become a commonly used phrase.
Excuse my beauty is the prequel to "Fuck my drag, right?"
@@algonzalez6853 How is transgenderism degenerate? I checked a dictionary and degenerate behavior is that which diminishes or deteriorates the individual mentally, physically, or morally. Yet I dont see people being diminished or decline in any of these aspects during a healthy transition, usually the opposite, and significantly so.
I'm confused because I honestly can't understand why people are so angry about them they're calling them degenerate. The only behavior I see causing mental, physical or moral diminishment/deterioration arises from the ones calling transpeople degenerate. Am I missing something huge here? Or is this just one of those internet asshole things?
@@algonzalez6853 How? How and where has the physical, mental, or moral decline you describe been the fault of transgender behavior? (only the transgender behavior itself, other people's poor behavior in reaction is their own issue).
I'm operating here as someone without your cultural indoctrination or mental conditioning on the subject so you need to make this clear to me. Because operating solely from empiricism and true-value ethics, the only irration assholes opposed to reality I'm seeing are the ones giving them shit.
This video deeply offended me.
As someone born and raised in Cincinnati, the unprompted attack on our chili has left me shattered and devastated.
Any attack on chilli is richly deserved :P
LMAOOOOOOOOOSISISIS
Tell me more about this Chile 🌶 🤔
BustyNuts chili*
#CincinnatiChiliIsRealChili
On the topic of trans women NOT being socialized like other boys- you are very correct, and it goes even further. I’m a gay cis man with two straight brothers. I have very little in common with them as far as we were socialized. They had a much more typical little boy and teenage social experience, and I was socialized to be alone because my male peers didn’t like me for being feminine in some ways, for being gay, and eventually, after years of social rejection, being closed off and defensive. I actually was a little boy and teenager and a man, totally cis, and my socialization was not at all typical of most men, and male privilege hasn’t really impacted me until college. For gender critical people to assume that the real phenomenon of an ideal, privileged male socialization is just the default upbringing for trans women is ludicrous, because even as children, anything seen as different is attacked or ignored by most boys. I wasn’t socialized like a girl, but I wasn’t socialized like a boy either.
Edit: Not really cis lol but I thought so at the time lmao
According to transgenderism, you're not a man, you're a straight woman.
💯 agreed...To Me, (a cis het woman) it infact feels kind of misandrist that Radfems assume men don't feel any trauma while growing up .They do....I live in a semi conservative country.. Where people are so misogynistic, they used to support sex selective births against females... And I have always found that I have more in common with lgbt+ people and feminine men more than Rad fems...if anyone in society is more at risk of getting beaten up than women, it's fem men.. Because in case of women they atleast consider that women are 'weak' hence off limits...But a man, they think is a fair game..As a result male DV survivors are ignored..even more when the perp is a woman..
true, but also the main argument erases the experiences of young trans girls being socialized as girls. it is convenient for people to think that such identities simply don't exist. but they do. and the reality is that these young people will never experience male privilege at all. so, it really tanks their own argument as they attach "male privilege" with the idea that trans women start their transition in adulthood, when is in fact not always the case. and in a society that affirms trans identities, it would almost never be the case. alas...
Because for them it's not about an accurate description of the differences in male socialization, it's stolen valor. They don't care about the nuances of how gender expectations impact people who aren't cis women because to them there are no nuances. It's comfortable for them psychologically to believe the world is less complicated than it actually is
A lot of LGBT people would love some healthy socialization, but they just don't get any. Whose fault is that, I wonder
I'm a cis woman, but I've always gravitated towards gender neutral presentation. In high school, because I didn't look feminine and had a bunch of traditionally masculine hobbies, a whole bunch of people would never refer to me by feminine pronouns, almost exclusively calling me "it." Not a good feeling. It's not just being misgendered, it's being dehumanized. Because I was an "it," I didn't count. The whole idea of calling someone "it" just makes my blood boil. And I'm cis, for fucks sake. I cant even imagine how much it hurts trans kids.
Yeah personally, being misgendered feels like I'm being stabbed. Sometimes it's actually enough to cause a panic attack in me.
I think I can sort of relate to the "people seeing you as non-feminine" part.
I'm also a cis woman (or rather trans in the closet) and even though I did my best to present as feminine as possible, it was my deep voice and maybe my face that made people make fun of me, asking me if I had a dick or if I was my friend's brother, etc.
I am not sure if that is empowering or not. I was definitely hurt, because my act of presenting as a real, normal girl always failed.
But ironically, that may give me the motivation to finally transition, haha. How deep my voice will go?
I've misgendered people by mistake before, I was corrected and then I apologized, but using "it" is going further, it's not "I made a mistake because I thought you were something you aren't", it's "I'm intentionally doing this because I think you don't deserve to be referred to with terms for humans"
Why can't we just refer to each other by our given names? That way nobody could be misgendered... [correction: stupid idea because of deadnaming. maybe a universal pronoun that's not dehumanizing persons that identify as human beings]
CheshAr just leads to people dead-naming which can be even worse.
It was March 30th of last year that Stephanie Yellowhair (Navajo) passed away.
"Excuse my beauty", RIP
Pardon a possibly bad taste statement. But Stephanie had HUGE steels balls. "Excuse my beauty". It brought tear to my eyes.
>drinking straight from the teapot
And thus, I've seen the peak of youtube.
True culture tbh
Like it or not this is what peak preformance looks like
@@DumbIdeaPresentedStupidly truth and based
The subject made me feel nauseous but this part cracked me up
@@SotamiesTrolli why did it make you nauseous? Just curious. And yeah, contra really knows how to break tension with comedy.
Hearing people gatekeeping womanhood behind “having experienced catcalling” is so weird and kind of gross to me. Obviously, it’s a shared trauma for a lot of women, and should be part of a discussion about misogyny and gender. But that isn’t and shouldn’t be a defining trait of being a woman! I am a cis woman and I didn’t experience catcalling until I was around 22. Does that mean I wasn’t a woman before that? Personally, I can’t say I usually “feel” like a woman in the first place. I just feel like me. And I wish people were more okay with just allowing people to feel like themselves.
i really just wanna beat the crap out of catcallers
I've never experienced catcalling in my life. I haven't even experienced sexism from any men in my life- and this is coming from someone who's spent her whole life playing video games and talking to (mostly male) gamers.
When TERFS say that experiencing catcalling and sexism from men is "part of the female experience", it just makes me feel survivor's guilt.
"Throwing glitter spaghetti against the wall and hoping for some glimmer of femininity" is one of the best written lines of this episode.
Alan Tyson there are so many that it’s hard to pick just one, but this one DOES fall among the top candidates
Kinda like the makeup shotgun homer made.
Alan Tyson you get the same effect with glitter in your 💩
As a translater, this line was the hardest to translate lol
Let's all pour a drink for Stephanie Yellowhair, who died aged 41 about a year ago.
www.vice.com/en_us/article/3kj5bw/the-death-of-stephanie-yellowhair-and-the-resilience-of-the-queer-spirit-excuse-my-beauty
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Philipp Bob Kaufmann Not to be rude, but I don’t know why anyone should look up to her. She definitely knew the struggle, and dropped a good one-liner, but that’s about it.
Definitive Entertainment what else are you looking for
That's too goddamn young.
I recently asked my cisgender brother what made him a man. He told me told me, "Because I am. That's all there is to it." And, in a spark of insight and compassion he said, "And you're non-binary because you are, you know you are. That's all that matters."
Like all my relationships with cisgender men, we've had our ups and downs, our rough spots. But shout out to my brother, who can be hot headed and obstinate but always calms down to listen and process and do better next time.
I consider myself a man because the oppression I do to women by having abscribed to the behaviours and identity of a "man" in a patriarchal society. There is no trait or experience whatsoever that makes me a man except for my social interactions and being part of the dynamics in a binary patriarchal society. My masculinity, heterosexuality, dom preference or any kind of specific gender expression does not make me a man. I'm a man because of the parts of my identity that reinforce the patriarchy and binarism in the society I live in. Saying I'm a man because I'm just am it's dumb. It's a very surface level analysis.
@@Davidvp Have you even thought before typing? You're a man because of how you present your gender identity in society. That doesn't have jack to do with your bigotry and participation in opression.
Were your argument true, no man could be a feminist or deconstruct themselves to unlearn toxic behaviours.
I'm trying to abolish patriarchy yet I'm still a cis man.
@@Davidvp Hmmm... it seems there are many reasons why someone would call themselves a man or a woman. You consider yourself a man for those reasons. Internally I don't identify with either gender, but I consider myself a woman because I have been subjected to the patriarchy because of the body I possess. I relate to other women who've had this lived experience in a way I can't relate to men who lack the imagination to see the damaging effects of patriarchy and possess little will for change. (Meanwhile most men who get to know me, and some women, claim that I think more like a man. Stereotypes... as if all men or all women are the same.)
Their analysis might be surface level to you, but it seems to me that getting to where you are (your own definition), acknowledging your participation, has been a process. Why would you call someone else dumb verses encouraging them to think more deeply if that's what you think is needed?
Ah, that's right... aggression.
@@Davidvp holy shit, you for sure dont sound like a sane man, if you are a man at all
"IT RATTLES MY CHROMOSOMES!" was such a hilarious line :D
"is Anita Bryant even dead? *checks notes* Scholars remain divided." is one of my favourite Contra jokes
Ik who Anita is but I didnot quite catch the joke, can you explain plsss?
Gabriel Almanza When someone says that people are divided on an issue it means that there is some disagreement or debate. The idea of debating whether someone is dead or not is funny because it’s just silly; there’s an obvious answer. Hope that cleared it up!
@@gabrielalmanza9433 I also believe it has to do with the fact that after she started her "war" against lgbtq people she lost her popularity so fast, it was as though she died. So although she is still alive to this day, she hasn't really been around since the '70s, explaining why some people would maybe assume she is dead (metaphorically at least)
CinnamonCheesecake thk yu
Lúcia Veloso thx
"We're using cultural signifiers of femininity to prompt others to see us for what we are."
I have never really understood why the hyper-feminine performative factor seems to be such a *thing* among trans women, when nails, makeup and heels don't *make* you a woman - but I think I finally get it. That makes a lot of sense! Especially when your safety often depends on "passing".
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It's a lie. They are men with a sexual fetish.
Karl Stark WOOOOAAHH that’s crazy I was starting to think there’s no way you people existed
Yes I’m very thankful that his video cleared up the same concern for me.
As a gay man though I still hold have one complaint and that is that trans women don’t belong on grindr. Since Grindr positioned itself as an inclusive queer dating space the opposite has happened and with the explosion of trans women using the app a huge population of straight men has been attracted and the environment has become extremely hostile and no longer gay friendly.
Just yesterday I messaged a guy and he responded mocking me and saying he thought my mustache was hideous. More and more we see profiles that demand bottoms be “fem, cd, hairless or trans” It’s causing the expectations of women to be transposed onto gay men and i don’t like it.
If I search for Tops in my City, Las Vegas what few results there are diluted further by a number of people presenting as women, which I respect and support, however am not attracted to.
What I always liked about being gay was the relaxed fluid nature in the way people express gender. And the inclusiveness.
However these days the main gay dating space has been swallowed up by an arms race of hyper-feminine and hyper-masculine gender expressions.
@@isidoreaerys8745 Wow, that's kind of fascinating although I get why you're not happy about it. I'm cis and straight.. whenever circumstances require boxes to be checked. (I like the term "heteroflexible" ha) I'm also chronically single and celibate so I'm pretty naive about these things. I never could have imagined such a thing could be happening. Maybe I find it fascinating due to maybe being a tiny bit of an autogynephile myself, although it's not like I'm about to run out, grab some fishnets, eyeshadow and sign up lol. I actually had heard of grinder though and for that to happen it must be waning in popularity by now. Don't lose hope, something better will come out soon probably. :)
I'm a 16 year old trans girl, I'm not out to anyone but a few really close friends, mostly because I'm scared of how people and especially my parents would react, but I just want to say that your videos keep me from abandoning who I am and I'm so thankful that you can make me feel accepted and cheer me up even on some of my darkest days
16 is already a tough age as it is. I'm not one to suggest coming out or not, but I can suggest you seek out like-minded people -- especially if the circles you run in are more conservative-minded. Best of luck, friend.
36 year old trans masc here and while we will undoubtedly have many different life experiences (and some in common) I want to say I support you and you are so valid. I also want you to know that people like me who didn't fully understand that we were trans until our 20s, 30s, or higher often admire people like you who are so wise and in touch with themselves during their youth. It's a really cruel world out there, but there are also a lot of great things about being trans and being yourself. And there are great Queer and Trans connections to be made. When shit gets hard, please hang in there and remember you are loved and cared for by our communities.
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@Akauali Art i was like "fuck this, i'm too old for transition, i don't even hate my body anyway" i would definitely recommend to think about it thoroughly.
There's a lot of celebration around coming out (for good reason) but remember that there are definitely valid reasons for waiting to come out too. The fact that you're not giving up on who you are is enough.
You know, as a biological woman it sometimes hurts when other women insist that being a “woman” includes being sexually harassed or cat called. I’m not disparaging other peoples experiences, but that personally never happened to me. So when everyone goes around insisting that you need that experience in order to be a “real woman” it makes me feel like I need to be sexually harassed or assaulted in order to claim womanhood
which is sad!
I don't think you NEED that experience to be a "real woman," but a vast majority of women had that experience even as children. Like 9 out of 10 who you'd ask. So it's not a necessity to be a "real woman," but it is a shared experience of womanhood, kind of like a cultural experience, or shared trauma, and does form a sort of identity.
i always found this weird too. as a trans man, im always told im "actually a woman" because i have the "female experience", yet when i ask what they mean by this so-called "universal womanly experience", a solid chunk of it i cannot relate to at all lmao. i guess im not "actually a woman" after all
It IS weird. I'm a cis woman (ish?) and my experience with gender is like 90% the fact that there's a tiny person inside my brain and she's doing a twirl to make her skirt flare out. I find it odd that, when I define my gender identity along the lines of positive experience it's cute (if occasionally seen as naive), but when a trans person does it it's necessarily dysfunctional. I don't know if this makes sense, but yeah.
I agree. I think the numbers are exaggerated. I am the 3rd of 3 sisters, and one of us was raped as a child. My other sister and I haven't had any catcalling or assault or anything traumatic like that. So, yes, trauma happens, but it isn't shared by all of us, and just like gender is a spectrum, so is traumatic experiences. Trauma happens quite often to boys, too, and is probably way under-counted for them. So, traumatic experiences, helplessness, sense of no control is a shared experience to most humans of every race and gender. I would like to stop being told I'm a VICTIM because I'm a WOMAN, or being a woman is automatically ANYTHING! In fact, after I had a baby, I felt like a GODDESS of super-natural power. And, rape/trauma is TOTALLY something people can get over and go on with their lives. Don't ever tell anyone they can't get over that. Or they won't get over it.
Your point starting at about 9:20 regarding femininity, womanhood, gender-non-conformity, and the question about why feminists don't leave comments on Kardashian pictures regarding enforcing gendered norms by dressing fancy finally clarified a prejudice I've been struggling with for a while. As you said, I was/am one of those non-gender-conforming-cis-women who kind of side-eye the High Femme aesthetic many trans women adopt.
I've struggled with this because having the "freedom" and courage to craft my own gender expression rather than conforming to feminine expectations has been a major part of my process of maturing and defining myself as a woman in our society. My girlhood, and especially my adolescence, was in many ways defined by defying those stereotypes and defending my clothing choices and (lack of) make-up and hair styles, mostly against other women and girls, while still identifying as a straight, cis woman rather than a lesbian. I was repeatedly, falsely, clocked as a lesbian in high school and college, and even accused of having a beard boyfriend, which made me very angry on my own behalf and on behalf of actual lesbians. It also made me reluctant to come out as bi for fear I'd be "confirming" everyone's "suspicions" about how I wasn't "really a woman", or not the right kind of woman, i.e. a straight woman.
So I found it a bit off-putting to see my gender seemingly distilled into very shallow signifiers like fancy hair, nails, and makeup, which have been used by the patriarchal society to dismiss women as being "too frivolous" and "too superficial" while simultaneously demanding that women dress well and put heavy emphasis on how our appearance defines, or is at least heavily influences, our worth as humans. (And also, I realized an embarrassingly few years ago that identifying expertise in fashion, make-up, and hair styling as "shallow" pursuits, or indicating superficiality on the part of people who excel at these skills, is also a symptom of our cultural misogyny, dismissing these disciplines as somehow more venal or disposable than other art, because their main devotees are women and gay men.)
Your explanation of why many trans women choose High Femme looks to make it crystal-clear what gender they are presenting as makes perfect sense. But the Kardashian example really clarified that I'd been staring "downstream" at people who were negatively affected by societal misogyny and transphobia, rather than looking "upstream" at the cultural messages and gatekeeping used to keep women obsessed with presenting as "proper" women, forcing all of us, cis, trans, straight, lesbian, bi, into uncomfortable roles that don't fit the people we really want to be. Thanks so much for this video.
This is the best comment ever. I too struggled with the same issues about femininity growing up. I've had to put up with everyone around me telling me that I should be more feminine, even one of my male gay friends once told me that I should wear more make up and a different style of clothes (more feminine of course), and I was like 'dude, would you like it if I went around telling you to be more masculine?'. It's like if people don't understand that being feminine is not all there is to being a woman. So, I also assumed that these ultra feminine attitudes that transwomen have were just another way to reinforce gender stereotypes. Now that Natalie explains it further it makes a lot of sense why transwomen act like that.
This video was very enlightening. Thank you very much.
Yes, this comment yas
I love this comment. 💗👌
Way to go Kestra and Sofia. :)
Very well said. I think we should remember that in the struggle for progress all marginalized people are our natural allies because even though they may experience oppression differently, they learn just by living their lives every day that they live in a society that is fundamentally not designed for them. That it was built to benefit someone else and put them on top. The bullshit of our world becomes felt and known just through daily experiences.
Brilliant. Refreshing. I'm a 70 yer old cis gender mostly hetero white male who has been strongly advocating for civil rights for and social acceptance of the full range of gender and sexual identity variation in my species from back before such was widely accepted even in "enlightened" "lefty" circles. Your presentation WAS, as you said you wished it to be, nuanced. And accurate. I also say this from the point of view of a physician who has had a life long interest... professionally and personally... in issues of gender and sexual identity. You have brilliantly contributed to educating many, even as you brilliantly entertained. Keep up the good work!
Dang, an OG. Thanks for all you've done. I hope the current generation can continue what you've fought for.
"Mostly heterosexual" oh we have no choice but to stan
dude you're like the coolest old person ever
Dude you don't get a medal for proving that you are just a misogynist and homophobe by supporting this nonsense
So this is your fault then.
That Germaine Greer "grossed out" quote legit grossed ME out. How despicable can you be? To publicize your hatred towards someone so undeserving of hate like that.
It's just not okay to talk about a person like that who you just had nothing more but a cordial interaction with, no matter if it's about transsexuality, race, or if they prefer Squirtle over Charmander
@Justine Y Yeah, I'll never get why tho tbh
My ranking of the first gen starters would be Bulbasaur, then Squirtle and then Charmander
@@juannaym8488 you sycophants will never appreciate charmander's beauty
Did Germaine Greer even ever get 100% confirmation that this woman was trans or "a man"? Some cis women are just very physically masculine, or have hormonal problems that cause them to have some male features.
gamefreak @ me when they release Mega X Y Z Gigantamax Shiny Charizard 4
😢I started to shed tears near the end. Speaking of transphobia’s rootedness in “disgust” was able to show me that I too, someone early in their trans journey, felt the same disgust. I’m so glad I watched this, it is brilliant & cathartic 💕💕💅🏾EXCUSE MY BEAUTY
Thank you, Stephanie Yellowhair
But where does that disgust originates from? 😢 Why do people feel that disgust? How do we fight against it?
"NO ONE KNOWS WHAT IT'S LIKE
TO BE A SAD TRAN"
Oh Natalie, please keep singing.
Yes, she's great
That still gets stuck in my head with some regularity. Ironically, less often now that I came out as trans???
Cutting wit, logic, production value, inclusivity, research, sincere introspection, and good old fashioned crude humor.
I found your channel after watching a video poopooing you. Now, from top to bottom, pound for pound, I consider you the best UA-camr in the game.
welcome to the herd lol
Who was it lol
Phoenix Vanguard And bullshit Pomo demagoguery
@Stop the Philosophical Zombies "Be it feminine masculine or somewhere outside the gender binary, you should always wash your penis. Trans rights are human rights."
-Jordan B. Peterson
Yoooo I free bled on the national mall today...not as like a political statement I just live in dc and forgot to pack tampons
Underappreciated comment
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Kt M that's what happened to a friend of mine so I had to frantically run around asking for pads since she hated tampons
@Ebony Panther "Kind of like white people in blackface..." This, right here, is what the root of your issue really is: Your core belief is that trans women are men disguising themselves as women, and are a hateful and undermining mockery of womanhood. I'm pointing this out for being the stark transphobia that it is.
@Ebony Panther look it's a joke, chill out
Trans women are not effected by abortion rights the same way I am, but they were still there marching with us at abortion rallies despite being treated horribly by “pro-lifers” and pro choice people alike
Roe v Wade (at least in America) also protects the right to privacy- which includes access to gender affirming healthcare.
What it really means to be ally 🙌
"being treated horribly" = being treated like men appropriating womanhood.
@@FreeTheDonbas I'm not sure how trans women are appropriating womanhood since they're ya know women. You must be confused.
@@theangryholmesian4556 Since they're male, then no, they're not women. Do you call your dad "trans-mom"? No? Transphobe.
The clip of Stephanie Yellowhair made me burst into tears. That's incredible strength and courage.
KrishnaWashburn same. I actually started crying when Contra started talking about transphobia and the lizard brain, and this is the third time I’m watching the video.
Miss Yellow Hair is neither gone nor forgotten she's simply gone on to the land of the ancestors and for that I am thankful.
every time natalie breaks at her own jokes she makes me laugh so hard and it makes my whole day
10 more years is added to my life every time she does, I love it!
Came here to say this. It's partly the lovely smile!
@@alexanderguthrie6744 She's so pretty when she laughs
Due to the candidness with which you discuss your own struggles with self-loathing and transphobia, and how you fight with this everyday, I think I speak for a lot of people when I say we appreciate the bloopers and the laughter, because it means a lot to us to see you happy Contra. This video is excellent, and you are doing a wonderful service. Keep smiling!
Candor
I couldn't have said it better!
@@yarweissThanks, I thought candidness didn't quite sound right.
I'll bite, I used to have a lot of trasphobic views that could be labeled as 'TERF', before I even knew what that was. There were two sources of it, insecurity, and traumatic experience towards the opposite gender. The insecurity stemmed from me being a gay woman who doesn't dress like a girl. Probably part of me felt like it was pushing against what people judged me for most of my life.
I'm not proud of the views I held. It took longer than I'd like to admit to change.
According to transgenderism, you're a boy.
if you describe yourself as a "gay woman" who didn't dress "like a girl", maybe you weren't a radical feminist after all, - just a transphobic conservative.
Natalie’s Videos could legit be a Netflix series. LOVE THE PRODUCTION GIRL
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 quit being sad and bothered.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 is finally talking about the mouth feel.
Netflix needs to drop those cheques
I’d watch it and suggest it to others. Then again, I already do that on its current platform
suzbone FINALLY SOMEONE IS TALKING ABOUT THE MOUTH FEEL!!
I (white cis male gamer with less of a social life than is healthy - goddamn I'm lucky I didn't end up a full on incel) used to make a lot of those arguments you mentioned in the first 15 minutes of the video...I got past that before I found this channel, but I could never quite articulate why I stopped believing in those arguments - until now, and I'm absolutely amazed at how well you managed to phrase the counter-points to those arguments. I'm halfway through my second video of this channel as I write this and it already seems a bit life changing for me...
I feel you man. Gamer communities need more of you
cope
Glad this is reaching you and helping broaden your views 👍🏻
Dude I feel you, I swear we could almost be the same person. I feel like quite a lot of us used to be shitheads at some point in our lives, and I also remember when for some reason I also just kinda dropped my problematic thoughts. Sure, sometimes one of those thoughts still rattles it’s way into my dumbass lizard brain, but it’s not about whether or not you have those thoughts, it’s about your ability to recognise that they are wrong and to ignore them. I guess all that I’m trying to say is: welcome to the club.
@@ando5185 "it’s not about whether or not you have those thoughts, it’s about your ability to recognise that they are wrong and to ignore them"
You resumed everything. Even the "most" feminist person can have sexist thoughts. Any trans person can have transphobic thoughts or behaviours.
Being an inclusive feminist isn't _not being sexist_ or _not being transphobic,_ but being aware of our own sexist thoughts and behaviour, of others' ones, and to try to change things in the positive ways.
I wholeheartedly reject the idea that my identity as a woman must be defined by the worst things that have happened to me, which is how I see the essential core of the "you don't know what it's like" rhetoric. Like... I've been sexually abused, but my womanhood is not contingent on that. I've already spent too long defining my life by what happened. That's (part of) why I'm in therapy now, so I can stop doing that.
Right? I was expecting Contra to say at some point, 'Go get therapy you've always been in need for', which, I shall add, must come with a continuent human rights mindset, which they already do have. The only thing that's missing is that, while being on the right side of things, in its' core those, if repulsive, TERF and the like people settled for the first step of realizing the problem - that is, pure hate. They have all the right in the world to feel what they feel, but in order to become the very heroes they've always dreamed of becoming, this pain, and loss, and offence, must at some point transform into positive, resilient in its' good, and constructive agenda, with which Contra decided not to conclude her narration, but which therapy can and will provide.
Well put!
you go girl!!!! excellent comment
Exactly!
hey um, gender has never been useful for anything BUT oppression, yall love talking about how its a social construct ever wonder WHY society mightve constructed gender??? maybe to keep women passive? you dont have to define yourself by your trauma and im sorry that happened to you, but that doesnt mean theres anything intrinsically good about the concept of gender as a whole.
Something that reminded me of this video is in Juno Dawson's book "What's the T?", where she says that, 'it's not transphobic to have questions, it is transphobic to have concerns', because concerns are usually built off of scepticism and negative presumptions. So I never give the time of day to people who have 'concerns' about my identity and how I choose to live my life, but anyone who has questions I am more than happy to talk to.
I love you, Natalie. I’m a shallow post-boomer, old as the Flintstones, so much of this gender fluidity is news to me. I desperately want to understand, to advocate, and be utterly converted. You have made great strides toward this-in my own stupid heart. God you’re beautiful. Keep me thinking. Keep me questioning what I was raised with. I learned and believe in gender equality, and in this 21st century, so should we all. Keep talking, Natalie. Keep converting me. PS your costuming is amazing. And so are you. Thank you for posting. I’ve been looking for something from you for weeks. Stay gorgeous as you are.
I've been searching for the words, but I'll just second this. She's made me a better man.
I think all of us where never had to go through the trans experience would find all of this new. But its exciting and interesting, and its great we have a teacher like Natalie with the patience to walk us through it.
I want to thumbs up, but you're at the sex number. So instead, I'll give you my support through a comment.
I feel like somewhere along the line recently Natalie's thought process has been "I paid for this gong, Im damn well using it"
@C caymer and how does this pertain to OPs comment?
@Keebs I've been reporting each one I find as I scroll through hte comments.
@@copperfoil8373 "I was gifted this gong, I am going to damn well use it"
@C caymer no its not
Contra has always created the inspirations of my aesthetic, and I'm so glad I can add "drinking hard liquor out of porcelain" to that list
Drink out of a coffee mug or teapot and no one will question why you're getting drunk at 8am coz they'll just think you're a responsible functioning adult who really loves coffee/tea! *_LIFEHACK!_*
@@bryntendo once a friend bought wine to a party, me and my other friends drank it from mugs. The guy was really confused when he saw that the wine disappeared if no one was seen drinking it (??
Camila Lmao, it didn't even occur to him that people are able to drink wine out of something other than a wine glass? Bahaha, that would've been hilarious. I used to live with a friend who was notorious for always breaking glasses at parties, so we didn't have any wine glasses or nice glassware after a while and everyone had to drink out of coffee mugs, empty jars, plastic keep cups, or straight from the bottle - All our photos from parties during that time look so ridiculous, all these obviously drunk 19yr olds clinking their coffee mugs together during a house party at night 😂
Yep, I've decided I'm going to start drinking my absinthe out of my fancy teacups.
Kris Keall I bought a bottle of Hendricks gin that actually came with a nifty little teacup and saucer. The gin is loooooong gone, hahaha, but I still have the cup and saucer, they're just so stylized and quaint. Never actually drank the gin out of it though, it's a very small teacup that wouldn't even hold the amount of gin I usually put in my drink let alone any mixer, ice, or garnish lol. Still, the gin came with a proper china cup and saucer, so I have to assume they wanted consumers to drink out of teacups/coffee mugs right? 😂
I'm a trans guy from Russia, and holy shit, we have so much terf. There is not a single community where they would not crawl through, often they purposefully seek out trans people and write nasty things to them just for fun, threaten to leak the address, cooperate with male misogynists with pleasure (and they don’t care that they should work against misogynists. for them where it is more important to inflict as much damage as possible on the oppressed group). They are just fascists. I am very grateful to you for covering this topic.
Horrible. Praying for your safety.
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Мужик, надеюсь с тобой все хорошо
As a straight CIS man of baby boomer age, you pretty much single-handedly keep me current on what's happening at the cutting edge of social issues, not to mention being a primary source of modern vocabulary & terminology. Smart, snarky, informed and lovely--thanks for doing what you do, Natalie.
this comment gives me hope in people
I’m really happy you’re here
Nice!
I almost can't even believe you ha ha. 🙃
Same! (Except for the straight and boomer part haha but still)
Someone very close to me recently came out as trans. You've answered many questions I didn't even know I had. Thank you.
Awe this is wholesome
Yup, that's cultural marxism for you.
Earl Minime Go Go Marx >w
For future reference:
7:19 1 Gender metaphysics
9:03 2 Gender stereotypes
10:23 3 Abolish gender
12:38 4 Male privilege
15:11 5 Male socialization
20:41 6 Reproductive oppression
22:02 7 Erasing female vocabulary
24:54 8 TERF is a slur
THANK YOUUU
15:04 "Take a fuckin' sip, babes."
24:47 The real raison d'être of this video
27:34 Conclusion: the core of the gender critical movement
Thank you for your effort!
@@soda306513:53 n😅nm
The uterus=woman not only screws over trans, non-binary, AND some people who are intersexed, it also makes those of us who have had hysterectomies feel even worse than losing a body part already has! Body parts do not make gender, our brains (and societal constructs) do!
Okayyyy that cute.
However, Uterus=woman
@@marioluigi9599 Okayyyy that’s cute
However, Uterus≠woman
@@marioluigi9599 No it doesn't end of discussion
@@marioluigi9599 so like if I have cancer and my uterus needs to be removed I'm not a woman anymore?
@@Kaylakaykay1997 Yes it does. Because that's biology and men can't biologically get one. End of discussion
"Is Anita Bryant even dead?... Scholars remain divided." Lmao XD
As an AFAB person with an Adam's Apple, being exposed to TERF rhetoric and the way they talk about trans women as little more than a set of typically-masculine secondary sexual characteristics can also irrevocably damage cis women's relationships with their bodies. I grew up as a woman, was socialized as a woman, and otherwise presented 100% feminine but I'd still get "clocked" as a man by strangers on the internet. Even now as an Agender person who feels comfortable embracing things that used to make me feel shame, I still hate my neck. I can't imagine how it must feel to be a woman with prominent facial hair or less than delicate features to read the bile they spew. TERFs are poison to all women.
It really sucks. To the point where finally learning how to trim and fill in your hairline to look "as it should" almost makes you cry because of how more whole it makes you feel. Having been "told" by media and fashion all your life that you're a fake woman for having been born with a "broken" body is easier to ignore (because that is their bread and butter to sell things) than actual people who hate you just for looking what you look like as if your mere existence destroys and poisons the environment. I can't imagine how traumatic it would be to be American where they don't just look disapprovingly at you but actually drag you out of bathrooms for looking "wrong" despite having the "right" reproductive system and not being trans. Edit: not that it would ever be forgivable to do something that horrible to a transwoman/transman. Just that the assholes fail even at their own goals.
^^^this
It actually bugs me how often the discourse completely dismisses the fact that cis women don't all look like Hollywood actresses. Cis women can be tall or broad-shouldered, and they can have big hands or adam's apples or facial hair or hairy arms or just otherwise masculine features.
Hell, most cis women are hairier than the ideal notion of feminity would suggest and pretty much nobody can achieve the perfect hairless doll thing naturally unless they're literally a child. (Or have a condition that causes hair loss, except then they also don't have the hair they're supposed to have because baldness is also not accepted.) So yeah, that's also creepy.
If anything, destigmatising trans womanhood would help a lot of cis women too and it's incredibly frustrating having so-called feminists presenting impossible beauty standards as a sign of purity.
Anyway, I realise that this is not a great argument in that it's still more about cis women's feelings than about the inherent validity of trans women, but it's a pretty relevant point all the same, I feel.
It really is just a bunch of gatekeeping. "If you haven't been cat called by the time you were 11, then you're not a _real_ woman."
@@syystomu it's a relevant point because they claim to care about "actual" women (XX women, as opposed to the AFABs who have XY) and are "protecting them" but this proves that they're lying/wrong even about their bigoted goals.
really makes you think, huh? They parade around as if they care about women but ultimately their cause is about shrinking the cage of gender. "If you don't match X, then you're not a woman." is the exact type of message that most sane feminists would try to defeat. It's the one they _did_ work so hard to defeat.
Now these TERFs are desperate to have their womanhood validated by an arbitrary checklist of appearances and behaviours. I wonder what they think of CIS women who need to shave.
As a young trans man, I'm really grateful for your videos. They're informative and funny (not to mention your outfits and backdrops are astounding) and I've learned a lot from you. Thank you for being the trans icon and teacher I've been looking for for so long. Keep slayin' queen!
Unrelated but your icon is really nice. Do you know who drew it/the source?
Xenotiic I’m afraid not, sorry! I found it on google. (I was actually planning on changing it soon since I don’t know the source hdjdndjsjfj)
I'm not trans, but my God lady I with you. She's brilliant isn't she, not only as the creative goddess but she's a amazing teacher.
I have always said that comparing suffering is ridiculous, everyone's personal suffering is the greatest suffering on Earth because it's theirs. We should find people who understand our personal suffering and empathise with us and then support each other rather than compete for sympathy. So I absolutely agree with this video and I think you explained your perspective clearly and concisely, bravo!
Also, I'm so grateful for what you said about cis women periods, I felt so seen and understood, thank you. I suffer from PMDD really bad, I can't hold a regular job because for two weeks every month I can't even walk without tripping on everything and walking face-first into walls because I completely lose depth perception (there are handrails all over my house so I don't injure myself) my energy level drops so low that I can't even take a shower without panting and needing to lie down for an hour after, plus my memory and cognitive capability drops to the level of a goldfish.
So many women have looked down on me because they don't believe periods can possibly be so debilitating, just because theirs isn't, and of course the people who don't even menstruate as well. It's awful and I can't argue with them because yeah, I'm useless for half my life. And you don't need to tell me how useless I am, I already know and cry about it for two weeks every month.
“everyone’s personal suffering is the greatest suffering on Earth because it’s theirs” is an absolutely amazing quote. also, as someone with severe chronic illness and a physical disability I can really relate to the feeling of being completely useless and how emotionally painful it is.
PMDD sucks SO bad and barely anyone seems to know what it is! It's incredibly frustrating.
I'm a cis female feminist, and I've battled with some of these questions. This was incredibly useful for me, thank you.
@GiRayne certainly the parts about early male vs female socialisation, specifically the experience of being sexualised by grown men as a 9 year old girl, but also being shamed out of being outspoken or defending myself, never getting STEM toys, my all girls school not offering fascinating and useful but "male" subjects, being horribly harassed as a female gamer and a bunch of other background radiation that had real effects on what I felt I could be, and who I became.
These were the formative 'injustices' that fuelled so much of my feminist energy, that I did have some of the "stolen valour" feelings that contra named and explained. That's what's super helpful. That's the antidote.
I don't mean to be inflammatory here so I apologize if I end up being that way, but isn't this a kind of suffering one upism? Like people sitting around and saying I suffered more and that makes me better. I'm a dude, I wouldn't dare say that anything that happened to me is on par with what happens to women and non binary people but it's something I engaged in. Using the pain others inflicted upon you to claim to be superior and to put down others who haven't suffered like we did? Saying they're not real because they don't have the same pain? Instead of the inverse and saying yeah I had some real bad shit happen to me but I'm going to use that as motivation to try and make sure it doesnt happen to anyone else? Once again, I apologize if I come off like an asshole here. Thank you for your time.
@@anjetto1 Yeah I think that's exactly what it is, right? I think Contra calls it an America's Next Top Victim contest. But yeah, I think it means a lot of people nurse feelings that their suffering is unacknowledged, even if they are outwardly allies. Everyone's a work in progress, and this video helped me make more progress - towards exactly what you're saying, using the fuel of the bad shit that happened to you to make things better for others.
I think it's one of the most powerful things in some of Contra's videos, where she pulls on the thread of the hidden doubts and guilty thoughts of allies, teases those issues out, and talks it through, but not in a super hardcore callout way. I find that enormously helpful, and I appreciate the hard work that goes into that.
BTW I was super nervous about even commenting cause admitting this stuff is a little scary, people are being very kind, you don't come off as an asshole at all.
'Cis' is code for any woman that trans disagree with, used as a pejorative. Are there really any people who fully identify with the sex stereotypical roles that society imposes on us? No.
It's supposedly taken from chemistry but chemists say that it doesn't mean what trans think it does.
Please consider calling yourself a woman. A woman is more than a feeling in a man's head. Perhaps consider also checking out what radical feminism actually is, not what men are saying it is.
Another relatively new word, terf, is the new word for 'bitch' or 'witch'. All misogynists now love mocking women with this word.
I am also a cis female feminist that has battled some of these questions. Most of my bias however comes from a financially and emotionally abusive ex who has recently come out as trans woman. I am still trying to balance supporting her transition because I can't even imagine what struggling with that type of body dysphoria must feel like, but also trying to deal with the very real trauma that she caused. I have that visceral reaction to some trans females when they remind me of my ex, not because I am disgusted by trans men or women but because of my past years of abuse. Contra Points has been very helpful as I try to work through this.
“There’s just no reasoning a transphobe out of bigotry.” Lady, you just did exactly that to me. The sheer power. I respect.
I'm proud of you for having the introspection necessary to improve yourself!
If you give up arguing with your opponents, you are just dogmatic.
@Zainab Maliki "There’s just no reasoning a transphobe out of bigotry." This is the quote of the comment. I was making a general point. I am not a transphobe myself. I believe in a universal right to justification. And I have changed my views many times.
This. You are a good person. Thank you for not only having the courage it takes to critically examine core values, which is genuinely difficult, but to share this development with us. People don’t always accept someone changing their views, and it can be hard to publicly acknowledge that you were wrong about something important to you. I’ve been having a very hard night, and being reminded that people can be better really helped me. Thank you.
in the muslim world and africa, there is a very simple compromise: submission or gravity
Fun story
I actually had someone used the “Why do people need gender specific pronouns, gender roles are oppressive already why don’t we concentrate in abolishing that?”
My response was basically “The whole reason we are having this conversation is because you can’t handle the idea of calling someone they/them, do you really think you’re ready to abolish gender?”
Artemis Wolf
That was brutal
Hello? I'd like to report a murder.
??? Which way do they want it ?????
Fun story, there's a Hispanic-American I'm "Facebook friends" with because of an online gaming group; you know the "share with X people" from the likes of when Farmville and Candy Crush were popular.
They keep saying that people are only men or women, that there's no possibility for intermediary identities, and that the deciding factor is chromosomes and physicality. It took literally pointing out that their wife probably wouldn't want them to be shoving their face and hands into other peoples' crotches to confirm whether someone in a pair of slacks has a penis or a skirt or dress has a vagina before they admitted that a person's identity and thus their gender isn't dependent upon their genitalia. (They then retract this conceit in the next post, which gets me to tag their wife to point out that her husband still wants to feel every person's dick and vagina.)
Even after getting them to accept that they shouldn't be trying to stick their hands down other peoples' pants, they still then refuse to grant a gender identity that isn't singularly exclusively either male or female.
Twice so far I literally invoked Spanish, a language they claim as primary alongside English, to show that per their own language you can have an entire paragraph discussing a person without using any specific gender pronouns. Admittedly adjectives are still gendered, but alternating gendered adjectives or employing masculine-gendered adjectives is applicable for gender-neutral contexts such as when a noun isn't intrinsically gendered. Because in Spanish items like books and pencils and houses and pets and phones and computers and literally everything that is a thing has a gender despite not having either a dick or a vagina. (Which the Spanish-speaking Hispanic-American apparently never realized in his lifetime of speaking Spanish...)
And you cant handle being called he/she so you pretend you're something else instead of fighting stereotypes. This works both ways, though of course every 'woke' reading this will dismiss this because all that counts is towing the line, not logic, not reality
This video is excellent. As an unapologetic radical feminist who thinks feminism is about the safety and protection of women and girls, especially the most vulnerable among us including trans women, I have to spend a lot of time unpacking and challenging myself to not get wrapped up in bioessentialism. I honestly think a lot of "gender critical" feminists agree a lot more with trans feminists more than they know. Thanks for making this video!
Straight, white men like Contra are not "vulnerable women", they are the most privileged demographic on the planet.
I feel like they would agree even more if gender activists didn't demonize radical feminists, misrepresent it's points and send death and rape threats. Talk about girls' and womens' safety.
Every time natalie shouts out trans guys a year is added to my life. Thank u my queen
I had never heard of Stephanie’s story before. What an amazingly strong and confident woman.
“Excuse my beauty” so powerful!
Another amazing video 🙂
Just cited your JK Rowling video in a master's program paper about gender dysphoria and the trans community. Always amazing content! Thanks for the reference!
Then your paper is already out-dated. Starting this year, it's not called gender dysphoria, it's called gender incongruence.
My favorite thing about Natlaie's vids is that I learn a ton about subjects I was only passingly familiar with while laughing a lot. I wish all forms of education were this good.
Same.
The laughing makes it stick
She truly has a gift.
This. I’m so out of my depth on so much of this. Bravo to Natalie and her colleagues for putting in the labour on these topics.
Troggie42 why is this pinned this comment sums all my feeling towards natalie i love this THIS
Hi, I'm Russian, and I want to say thank you. In our country, transgender people must go through a lengthy Commission to prove that they are really men or women. Then they must prove it in court so that their documents are changed. They also don't issue documents if you haven't performed any operations. The people here are very strange.
Recently, a friend of mine who recognized my biological gender because she saw my documents at work told my friend that I was born a girl. My friend did not treat me any worse, but I began to feel that I was lying, communicating the same way as before. And the one who said that justified herself by saying that she wanted to help. "What if he doesn't knew and behaved inappropriately? But I told him, and now he won't say anything inappropriate to you." Really?
In short, this video has lifted my spirits and I feel good, thank you. Sorry for my terrible English.
jesus, your friend outed you? that must suck, hope you didnt face any problems because of this
Your English is very good!!!
That sounds incredibly hard. My heart goes out to you, and I wish you happiness.
"What if he doesn't knew and behaved inappropriately?" What the hell... It is THIS person who does behave inappropriately. Nobody needs to know how you were assigned at birth, except yourself.
Your English is far better than most people I know who only speak, understand and write English! Im so sorry you had to deal with that 😞
"Caitlyn Jenner, whomst... well... just whomst,"
I CACKLED
I transitioned socially a couple months after Caitlyn Jenner went public... 😐
...So, yeah. This.
Caitlyn Jenner is human trash 😂 unfortunate she is trans
@@hoofarted what's the difference between Jenner and CP?
Just age
Kim Kardashian Un I feel like you are the delusional one, my friend. Educate. Get outside. Breathe some air. And then stop commenting on videos weeks after they happen thinking that people won’t respond to your idiocy. I will. And guess what? Not stopping.
@@ryanthomas9306 take it back.
Not to be dramatic or anything.... but I would die for this woman.
wouldnt we all
God damn, as a cis male gamer, only three days into your videos, and you’ve already opened me up to so many new ideas. Your videos are great, and you’re doing an awesome job!
Yeah man I'm the same.
Learning a bunch.
GOOGLE ACOUNT I’ve heard about them, I’ll have to check it out. Thanks!
Now this is a gamer truly rising up. Epic gamer moment... I guess you could say you leveled up.
Guy Fieri Is My God MVP man! :3
This is so wonderful to hear. We often get the impression from the internet that everyone holds there opinions so fervently to heart that no amount of discussions will ever change anyone's mind. But the world is actually full of lovely people like you who are happy to change their point of view when new information and perspectives are discovered.
Make sure you're giving your brain time to recover from taking in all these high level ideas.
As a 16 year old cis girl, I have never been cat called once, and I almost feel like I’m living in a parallel reality to my friends, who talk about being catcalled since they were 12, and about how much they fear walking alone. Hearing the argument about “trans women don’t know how it is to be catcalled as a child” makes me feel insecure. Am I not qualified in their eyes or am I just exceptionally ugly? I really liked hearing all of your talking points and love the costuming and effort
I know it must feel like that, but actual harassment feels terrifying and never has it ever felt like a compliment, I don't miss it when I don't get it, nothing to do with how you look or where you are, some men are just assholes, I'm never dressed up or look good when I go outside and still get catcalled, don't worry about it :)
Woman being street harassed is the oppression of patriachy on to them : men just feel like they can do that. If you feel bad because you are not being harassed, it is a also an effect of the patriarchy, altho more insidious.
I cannot give you 16 y.o cis girl advices because i'm a 25 yo cis boy and at your age I had conviently put all thoughts about my body under the rug.
But maybe my more recent journey towards loving my body may help you 😀
Here is what I've been trying to do for 2 years : collect various stories about my body. I know that i don't know shit about my body, what about asking ? Asking a dear friend what she thinks of me, asking my boyfriend. Not "Do you think I am beautiful?" But "What do you like about my body?". Asking others to take photos of me during events and asking myself or others, "what do you like about me on this"
Piece by piece I'm collecting a story : My hair do what they want and are everywhere, but my boyfriend told me they are also soft, thin, almost fluffy. Friends told me I can have a beautiful smile, but I never saw it because I'm unable to show it for a mirror or a camera. I know I have beautifull eyelashes because some girlfriends envy them but I never brought myself up to putting them forward (male beauty standards!!). Pictures convinced me that I have some nice muscle definition on my back, very sexy!, but I'm still obsessed by the fat on my belly that I see everyday. So accepting my body is a work in progress ^^
I hope this is can be of any help to you :D
Also I don't share this culture so I didn't think about it but OF COURSE I was thinking about photos without editing !! See also Beauty of Contraptions
Only pretty women get cat called. So if you’re 16, you are like at height of feminine until 25, so you’re Probbaly ugly if you arnt being cat called bow
im the same age as you, afab, and ive also never been catcalled.
I was a long term heroin addict for 5 years. I recovered, but people still think "you're a normal guy, how could you be an addict?" Not to compare it to LGBTQ, , but I get the way socity puts a label on you. Getting judged instantly is the worst
absolutely. addiction is so deeply stigmatized. this applies to any stigmatized minority and terfs are, for some reason, fighting in support of that stigma
Hi. Cis guy trying to learn so I can be a better friend to my trans buddy. I’ve had a lot of questions rattling around that I didn’t have a place to ask.
This was really helpful.
Your buddy is lucky to have a friend like you ^^
Okay but your TERF character's look is STUNNING
I actually want to see har in normal clothing
Bryn M Yeah, because we all know feminists like to dress up like drag queens and show off their cleavage. Clearly he is demonstrating he is a man who believes that being a woman equates to nothing more than sexist stereotypes.
I’m detecting a triggered TERF!
@@misterfox9494 Did you, like, watch the video?
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it's funny because you're the exact type of person *she* debunks in the video. Which you'd have known if only you had watched it.
"Excuse my beauty"
That was beautiful, powerful and very touching. I got chills. Thank you, Natalie s2
I cried because I am a wuss
@@CinnamonCari with you . Trans resilience is radical and beautiful
@@hepa00lepa It really is.
"No one knows what it's like
To be a
Sad Tran"
I'M WHEEZING
"trans women *do* bleed, but only when we cut ourselves"
jesus christ natalie
this shit cuts deeps
poofballoon TM Am I a terrible person for repeating that part on loop?!
Aahh I'm a transfemmenine person like 14 months into HRT and I'm just laying here on the couch crying. TFW Natalie perfectly articulates feelings that you didn't think you were allowed to have
Our dark mother has blessed us once again
Ring the church bells and sacrifice your children in gratitude
I only have potential children will that do?
Sorry, but I'll pass on the demonic rituals and human sacrifices. I'm just here for the degeneracy.
I thought dark mother was Anita?
Consider my kids dead
Dab for solidarity
"The National Mall is not going to bleed on itself!" Well that seems presumptuous. You don't know the National Mall, nor its labyrinthine innards nourished by rich, dark life force. Sometimes, when the moon is high and the screeching of avian hordes thickens the air its blood must be let to ensure the harvest will not disappoint.
Franky Skaggs i don’t remember that being in the constitution. They must keep it in the back room with the other “forbidden amendments”
6:21 “Can you _define_ “womanhood” for me?”
That reminds of when transphobic ex-sitcom writer Graham Linehan was Diogenes’d on Twitter, pretty much a year ago to the day.
Someone asked him to define “chair” in a way that included all chairs but excluded everything else.
He defined it as “a separate seat for one person, typically with a back and four legs”.
His definition ended up excluding a chair which rested on a continuous plank, but also ended up including a bathtub and a _horse._
I love Father Ted, Black Books and IT Crowd but jesus christ he's a prick
“A chair which rest on a continuous plank” that just sounds like a bench. And I don’t really see how defining chair is relevant to the conversation. Since they are entirely different and conceptually incomparable.
@@penmaster003 terfs often ask for some catch all definition of womanhood, but there really isn't one answer, in the same way that there's no one good definition for chair.
@Not Epic But a chair is an identifiable and tangible object. Womanhood is intangible and abstract concept. They are not even in the same category at all. So it doesn’t really matter if you can’t define chair effectively because it is not comparable to womanhood. I think the fact that a chair is an inanimate object and womanhood is part of a collective identity that all women, terf or otherwise, have a say in determining its definition makes that argument inapplicable.
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As a trans girl i just want to thank you for your amazing content and sheer badassery. Thank you for being a role model for trans people. They can be hard to come by.
Not to be rude, but an alcoholic opiate addict who used to harass feminists with porn isn't my idea of a role model
I mean, I am being rude to Contra, not to you
@@man4437 seethe more you dmbfk
@@man4437 yeah right and Daniel Radcliffe is an actual wizard. Learn to diffrenciate.
@@man4437 yeah laern to difrenciate, idiot
But you’re not a girl … and neither is this man. Stop ✋ 😅 #twam
That part near the end where you more or less said "I recognize that hate because I've felt it towards myself" really hit me hard
Oh, the anguish... yeah that hit me too.
it really did, she was being as real as possible without breaking the point of her argument for sympathy.
I cried man..
There’s no one more violently transphobic than the closeted and dyspeptic trans person after all
Cried at the “COPS” episode part. I’ve had cops dig through my stuff to try to really shame/hurt/provoke me in a deeply personal way, and I cannot imagine what it feels like when you wear those vulnerabilities on your sleeve. Very very moving. Still crying. Cheers.
ACAB. They're all scum.
Gabriel Albanese I’ve never even heard about this episode! Holy shit. “Excuse my beauty.” Bra-fucking-vo.
I also cried like instantly when she said "excuse my beauty"
I cried too. It is so hard to not give in to society when they try to kill your vibes, experiences and life by dehumanizing you just becase you're weird and threatening to their sense of truth (their own regrets of not being authentic themselves and trapped too). That resilience has made me stronger thank you stephanie.
Did those fucking pigs get fired? They better have. X( ACAB
Yes even your uncle steve, especially your uncle Steve!
OH GOSH I NEVER CLICKED A BIOLOGICAL NOTIFICATION SO QUICKLY
*clocked
so i definitely saw this and thought clicked was cucked XD
I worked w a trans woman at my last job and she did more than any cis woman there when it came to fighting for a lactation room and other work place rights for women. She didn’t just limit it to women and fought for a lot of general work place rights. ❤. I think part of the problem is not enough ppl have ever even met a trans person and assume all kinds of BS. When I learned that my coworker was trans I was surprised and yet not. She was more feminine than I was so it made sense 100%, Of course she’s a woman. She’s exactly who she was meant to be and I can’t imagine her any other way.
I am constantly blown away by the sheer amount of thought, time and effort you put into the costumes, background, and lighting. They come together beautifully to portray a clear theme; to be the backdrop for your well researched and clearly articulated message. Bravo, Natalie. Bravo.
*not thought out but picked up from community college philosophy and a rudimentary misunderstanding of biology, enough to confused people whose hearts are accepting and won't hurt anyone's feelings. But im not afraid of hurting peoples feelings. contra is an ugly, sad man with too much perceived intellect snd no real substance, they just make accusatory statements while in drag costumes. who fucking cares?
@@burningspoonful Apparently, a lot of us.
@@burningspoonful That's an interesting take, have you considered dying mad about it?
@@burningspoonful Are you a troll? "Trans fascism". And really ironic saying nasty animal considering all of the misogynistic things you said previously.
@@stubbypepperroni2357 LOL okay, Contra will make at least 20 'I like the way dicks feel inside my mouth' jokes in EVERY video guaranteed while maintaining a false air of superiority and education (barf) and YOU will still act like there is any integrity in him to defend, hes a grown man who likes playing dress up, I suppose at least hes honest because he knows he 'used' to be a man and isnt flat out lying about being the same as a woman assigned her female identity at birth, but he is still WILDLY conceited just for the sake of having his own thoughts out there.
I would just like to point out that Caitlyn Jenner's views also have a lot to do with her social class (and not just her upbringing). I have seen some other upper class women like her (cis-trans alike) make similar crass remarks, largely due to being privileged from the upstart.
Peace.
was going to post stg like this. Class plays a huge role
and her race, frankly
Intersectionality is a very small factor compared to wealth and social class. Elites use intersectionality to avoid discussion of wealth disparities (actual privilege) as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
@@nutlawatgmail that's the thing that bothers me most about the new "woke" discourse. because I feel it's very "American" in that it tackles all kinds of "isms".... except classism. despite that actually being the oppressive structure with most victims (since the rich... and especially the super-rich make up such a small percentage of the population. and in contrast the (proverbial) have-nots make up for the vast majority of it).
@@xxxaragon When we follow the money, it's the super-rich and gigacorporations that are funding the whole woke movement to begin with. I think it's pretty clear that they want to exaggerate the fault lines between the 99%, and keep us fight against each other, so we ignore the super-rich who aren't getting taxed, when they've benefitted most from society and should be carrying the whole financial burden.
When you started “abolish gender” segment, i was a little bit concerned but then you said that my utopian pipe dream is valid so thanks! it means a lot to me!
mood
hell yeah
I've been an "abolish borders" utopianist for as long as I've been politically aware, only more recently come to the "abolish gender" one. I don't believe I'll see either come to fruition in my lifetime, but that doesn't mean we can’t lay the groundwork for it now and hopefully our descendants can one day see it happen! ❤️✊
Right?
The internet has really helped me identify as agender and helped normalize that attitude. When people talk to me, it is a sentiment that I try to reinforce.
My god! You are.... I don´t even know what words to use but I am blown away. Thank you for making this video, I am feeling... so happy right now it is almost ridiculous. Being a 50 year old trans man, having transitioned for about 8 years, yeah I hear you... You are an amazing woman. I will share the crap out of this video. Hugs from this old viking :-)
Are you swedish?
@@Matheus_Braz Yes I am
@@lukasronnqvist4839 cool!
I don’t see many trans men around. I’ve considered it for myself but among many other things the small representation/community kinda intimidate me. I’m happy you made it work! You go man!
What's the difference between men & women?
Can I just say, the way your veil lines up with your left eyebrow is so aesthetically pleasing.
I know right????
I was watching it literally the whole time
It was deeply satisfying.
Thank you for noticing, me too! It was almost distracting haha
Fucking right
Contrapoints wouldn't have been conceivable 50 years ago, which gives me hope for discourse 50 years from now which I now can't fathom. The way Natalie unites punditry with art displays her intellect, imagination, and honest vulnerability in a way that is frankly a joy and a privilege to watch.
hell yeah dude :')
God, imagine what maybe unknown works of the present day, will be the model for its genre in the future. Not just in forms of discours, but also in litertature, theatre, cinema and art. I sometimes wonder what things are going over our heads right now, but will be classics tomorrow.
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Cross-dressers have been dressing down feminists for the past 50 years, so wtf are you on about? I dread to think how much more acceptable anti-feminism will become within "the left" over the next 50 years.
I think it could have been conceivable 50 years ago. The real change is the visibility due to the internet. There's so much potential in everybody and it's not like lgbtq spaces mysteriously popped up only in her generation. I bet if the internet existed back then, there could have been a prequel to contra.
The internet enables people like her to get support and a platform that 50 years ago would be locked behind bureaucracy and the mainstream media.
As a cis lesbian, one thing I’ve always thought was strange about the TERF argument is the idea that there’s one unifying experience that makes you a woman. Womanhood is a vast, diverse set of experiences that can’t really be boiled down to “women are oppressed for having two X chromosomes”, even among cis women. What being a woman means varies by race, class, sexuality, culture, disability, and a whole host of other things. OF COURSE trans women are going to experience misogyny differently from the way cis women experience it, because there isn’t a solid “female experience” to begin with.
As a lesbian, my experiences with misogyny are going to be different from a straight woman’s experiences with misogyny. But I don’t hear TERFs trying to claim that I’m not a “real woman” because I don’t have to deal with IPV from men.
TERFs should leave the oppression to the oppressors instead of joining them
Right on, something similar to this came out in the UK last year during the public consultation about allowing self ID for gender identity certificates.
As noted in the video, radical feminists argue strongly against rigid gender norms and stereotypes of women in society and rightly so! Women should be able to define for themselves how their life should be and not be stigmatised for diverging from society's expectations of femininity.
But in the self ID debate, that laudable stance kinda fell down. TERFs demanded that Trans folk shouldn't be allowed to self ID without going through a clinical process, and should be expected to live 'in role' for at least 2 years.
But when it comes to definiing what that role is, it was basically just down to sterreotypical femininity for trans women. Masculinity for trans men. And as for who defines those roles? Leave it up to the clinician who might not be a woman. Patriarchal control distilled.
That kind of situation is something most Radical feminists would abhor if it were imposed on a cis woman. Conform to this rigid norm or you'll NEVER earn your legal recognition as a woman! it's brutal! But because of transphobia, the principles go out of the window. It's baffling to me.
Speaking as a man, I think boiling femininity down to being oppressed sounds like a depressing way to view oneself.
I would bet that a little trans girl has seen much more misogyny than the women on social media who say sexism doesn't exist and don't have any female friends because they "don't do drama"
There absolutely is a universal unifying experience of womanhood. It's called being a female
the focus on "male socialization" is funny to me because as a trans man who looked (to the world) like a cis woman until i was about 20, the "traumas of girlhood" that they treat as universal have never happened to me. i was a nerdy unpopular kid living in a small norwegian town. i dont think i was ever catcalled. i've also never been forced to wear a dress or keep my hair long when i didnt want to. my family and friends were never people who imposed harsh gender stereotypes on me or judgmental when i cut my hair short or anything like that. i was just was never someone who experienced these supposedly "universal" traumas of being seen as a girl. i was never made to do extra housework or "act ladylike." i've never experienced slut-shaming or sexualized comments about my appearance while i'm just going about my day. like, sure, i got a few "go make me a sandwich" jokes from nerdy male friends in middle school, but they were pretty obviously jokes, albeit annoying ones. also, around that point i already identified as a trans man internally and those comments just don't hit as hard when you don't see yourself as a woman. maybe it would have been more traumatizing if i saw womanhood as something key to my person, but i just never did. so... what are these supposedly universal traumas???
i think a lot of TERFs (not gonna speculate on the proportion) went through abuse from men growing up, and maybe they project those experiences as being "universal", or try to universalize them to coat their transphobia in feminist optics. it's sad, there's a lot of pain and trauma underlying transphobia from TERFs and they develop morbid hateful obsessions over it. so that may be part of it at least; another part might be some TERFs wanting to claim the trauma of other women in order to craft a monolithic conception of "womanhood" which definitionally excludes transwomen.
This is so insightful to me, I'm a transwoman and I certainly resonate with your experience. Early on my childhood, my parents noticed that I'm not comforming to the typical "boy" as a kid. My expressions, manerrisms, my gestures and the way I speak, it all exsudes femininity. And because of that, I experience being cat called and get harrassed by other boys as a KID! I kept it to myself because I don't know how to tell it to my parents without them being confused. I fear that they wouldn't belive me, since they percieved me as their 'son', that's why it would be absurd for them that I would experience such harassment in other boys. (I'm not a girl for them, so it would be impossible or might even be funny for them to hear such things). It was hell for me and I have no one to talk to in those times. I believe, my experience as a kid made me hypervigilant and scared at men, even now that I am 20.
Hence, you can't assume someone's childhood experiences based of their biological sex alone. Unfortunately, TERFs think that way and they often use it on their bigoted beliefs and transphobia.
Your experience sounds great. I have the stereotypical trauma here mentioned and hate my experience but like I still feel I am a woman. I hated period so much because my gynaecological issue, still feel I am a woman. I really feel some of TERFs are projecting their trauma. Like, i feel your gender only depends on what gender you identify with. I was also the nerdy unpopular gal haha
yeah just to say this to add to the convo
Edit: typo
That’s because you are from Norway. I wish every other country would learn something from the Scandinavian countries. You can’t understand how jealous we are of you guys.
I experienced my first serious criminal-level sexual harassment when I was 7. Luckily I was well prepared to handle it due to a school sex Ed class I had literally weeks before the incident, and immediately informed my parents, who dealt with it quickly. as a result I don’t have a lot of trauma from that. The school sex ed course that protected me was taught to boys AND girls. TERFs seem to think all girls experience sexual trauma and it’s a unique female experience but that’s just not true. And it’s not like I didn’t identify as a girl before that. Unlike what TERF said, trauma isn’t what made me women. And like you said, it’s not even universal. Girls in many other cultures would have had it 100 times worse than me. Are they more women than I am? I don’t get the obsession they have over trauma.
You really are that internally misogynistic? You really are that ignorant to women as a sex class and our oppression? You are a woman. Coming from another trans man who doesn’t want to be reduced to a womb owner.
On a totally unrelated note, your interior design taste is so amazing I’m so jealous of your sets. I want my house to look like that.
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Right how long does it take her to set all this up? And then have clothing changes and then she edits it together. It demands respect I couldnt do it.
It's my crazy version of a Barbie dream house! Chintz and knick-knacks galore are either in your grandma's house or Natalie's house, so we need to bring it back to the normies!
Yes, I loved the set.♡♡
Wait, hang on. I just realized this was released on the anniversary of Stephanie Yellowhair's passing. Oh my heart.
I guess there's nothing to add except - say it with me - "Excuse my beauty".
trapd00rspider considering her situation it’s honestly a miracle she survived as long as she did
Thanks for pointing that out.
This is utterly brilliant. I must have watched it five times now, over the past three years since I accepted my own gender identity, and every time I laugh out loud repeatedly and am bawling by the end of it. Probably the most cogent summing-up of TERFism for the uninitated, with enough in-jokes to keep the rest of us entertained too. Pure gold.
every time she lets loose a real laugh i gain 5 years on my life
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same
I know it's adorable it makes my heart melt Natalie is amazing
same it's so cute I love her
teeth bitch
My girlfriend’s name is also Natalie & both make me super happy.
"I should probably be communicating with a series of genderless sounds: NEEOR NEEOOR NEOORR"
Goddamn I laughed.
Lmao
@@joyl2981 Honestly, if the angel that takes me to heaven isn't exactly that, I'm not gonna bother.
Some of us strive for this but it should not be a requirement in order to have ur humanity acknowledged lol
*I never thought I'd ever see what a transgender Jesus in a gender neutral robe would look like.*
Gorgeous, I think the word you're looking for is gorgeous.
Jesus was born from only Mary, making his chromosomes XX, Jesus was a transman confirmed.
Charlotte Butcher Jesus was made from godly cum tho
XDD +1
Actually, gender neutral robe *moment
god. this was my first contrapoints video. i remember So well putting that on while i was messing around with makeup and expecting just another white noise sort of video essay to half listen to while doing other things. i think it was a month or so after it was posted. then a few minutes in i dropped all the makeup and just got mesmerized with the video and the way natalie frames her arguments :') it makes me happy to come back to it having followed her for years now. i think its a video that definitely has aged well, and seeing how far her channel has gone makes me so happy. i love coming back to this, it will remain one of my favorite contrapoints videos even after the hunger released and stunned me the way it did
"Excuse my beauty, TERF." One of the most powerful things I've heard in a long time.
With perfect comical timing!
Women don't have Y chromosomes...
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@@panzerfaust1998yes they have..
@@panzerfaust1998 trans and intersex women have left the chat lol
Fresh-faced Natalie in a gender-neutral robe with her hair down is what I imagine the leftist afterlife is like, and she's basically St. Peter
James Bella lol!
The leftist after life is more like the USSR post ww2
I always imagined it as a very red street with those blocky but large and functional apartment buildings and everyone driving Trabants and Yugos.
@@MrSeekerOfPeace for a self proclaimed "seeker of peace" you sure like to stir up shit
Here's an old Soviet joke: who were the first communists? Adam and Eve, of course! Why? They had no house, no clothes and only one apple to share, yet they thought they lived in paradise...
Confirmed. Natalie is the kind of woman who drinks straight from the teapot.
Steven Killeen want that tea piping hot
This came out right around when i began my transition and ever since, every time i have a bad day "no one knows what it's like to be the sad tran" plays in my head lmao.
"We're using a cultural language of feminine signifiers to prompt others to see us for what we are." so so so so so genius and well put