I think the pilot is actually one of the best episodes. It just had this Game of thrones atmosphere; Milly and Emily have an amazing chemistry, the music is perfect
Agreed. It's crazy that the first episodes before the timeskip now feel nostalgic. Everything after the timeskip is largely medicore, though of course there are a lot of great scenes. Just as a whole, it's disappointing.
Agreed. The first episode does an excellent job of introducing us to the characters and the overall state of things and establishing many fundamental themes in the show while also being gorgeously filmed, edited, designed, and scored.
Absolutely agreed. And calling the tourney "too long" is weird imo because this is the stuff which makes the world building of ASOIAF so much richer and more interesting. I have waited years to see scenes like this in GoT, so this was just great to me!
@@Romy-90 Yep. Compare the tourney in HotD's first episode to the one in season 1 of GoT...that is the kind of thing they would've done if they had the budget back then. It is also not just mindless fight scenes - there is a lot of character & plot foundation building in it, and the way it cuts between the tourney and Aemma's tragic birthing scene is thematically on-point ("A woman's battlefield is the birthing bed").
I’ve already said this on another video but I wish the fandom would show some nuance when discussing season 2. The season can be flawed and also have great episodes, and Hess and Condal can make mistakes without “ruining the show.” Season 2 had some problems but I still looked forward to it every week, and Season 1 was great. I’m sure Season 3 will be enjoyable as well.
EXACTLY, some mistakes can definitely be made but the show overall is still good and enticing. I feel like there’s a sub group of the fandom that feel personally betrayed by the writing performance of s6,s7,s8 GOT and now they just dedicate their time to examining, identifying, and over emphasizing flaws in hod
Their insistence on pushing the dead friendship between Alicent and Rhaenyra and misunderstandings is really getting tiring. The seem to want to make it the main focus about these two oppressed women when it should be about Aegon v Rhaenyra. Two of the three worst scenes in this show are Rhaenyra and Alicent sneaking around to see each other and stop a war that has already started. And oh look season 3 will be another misunderstanding because Aegon has disappeared so ne deal. Making them friends was by far the worst decision this show has ever made.
@@lucasbelmonte2832 Ok it's fair if you think this and i agree with some of what you said but I also did like a bunch of stuff in season 2. There's negatives but a lot of people focus only on the negatives when I also found some positives.
@@BigRobMC I agree it feels like even outside of this fandom, after Game of Thrones Season 8 we highlight flaws in media so much more hyperbolically than before. And like yes Season 8 is terrible but I don't know why that discourse still affects other shows so deeply. Imagine if The Sopranos Season 2 released today... I like Season 2 but I know some people have issues with how certain plot threads were resolved. But people acknowledge that and move on which doesn't seem to happen with House of the Dragon. Honestly I miss when Season 1 was coming out because myself and lots of others were pleasantly surprised by how good it was but now that we can identify some narrative issues throughout the show people think the entire show is ruined, which is never how stories work.
The series as a whole suffers from infantilizing Rhaenyra. She can do no wrong and even when she kinslays Helena's children, it's all forgotten about two episodes later. The Greens, however, are painted as the baddies but Aegon and Cole are the most interesting characters in the show.
Except she didn't kinslay Helaena's kids, Daemon did. Even if the greens didn't know that, Aemond, a green, just kinslayed Rhaenyra's kid. What claim to kinslaying can they really make?
@@InJouHande it’s pretty well shown that Aemond didn’t mean to kill Luce, that was all Vhaegar. It’s essentially the exact same scenario for both characters. Aemond wanted revenge on Luce but his wild animal went too far, and Rheynera wanted revenge on Aemond but her wild animal, Daemon, went too far. Both carry responsibility just for the simple fact neither situation would’ve happened if Rheynera and Aemond hadn’t played with fire.
@@Diego000793 to assasinate Aemond. There you go. No elaboration needed. Jahaerys and Aemond are not the same person; not even father and son. Now, if Aemond was to die...then she could take full responsibility for ordering his death, sure, but this was Daemon's call. One could argue she should have known Daemon would have done something like this, but she was barely thinking, lost in grief...what exactly do you expect from her in this situation? Her explicitly saying I WANT AEMOND TARGARYEN and Daemon taking that as "oh yes, Jahaerys..." can't be labeled "her actions".
My favourite episode is (so far) S1EP8 "The Lord of the Tides". The tragedy and emotion of seeing Viserys and his family in his last days before everything falls apart is just top tier TV. I just cannot forget the amazing performances, the music, the bitter sweet moments.
Halaena is not "on Team Black" as you say. She simply has seen the events that are to come in her dreams. She also knows exactly how monstrous Aemond is.
@@VeniVidiVici100 That's a fair assessment. I don't dispute that there is disarray among the Greens. I wouldn't say Helaena is team Green either. I just mean that herappearing in Daemon's dream doesn't mean she wants him or the Blacks to win. And her saying the Aemond will die is similarly not a judgement against him. In fact, we've been shown that Helaena is not a vindictive person who holds a grudge, she forgave Alicent without being asked, for instance. Helaena is burdened by the knowledge of what is to come. We have pretty specific examples that she's seen future events (Aemond will "close an eye", "Beware the beast beneath the boards"). I think it is the source of her "strangeness." I don't think that Helaena is making value judgements in either of the cases, she's simply telling both of them what she's seen.
@@kkpratt alicent didn’t do anything to Helena, the show made all that up. Why is she talking to daemon at all, if anything with her powers she should try to off him. The show making up Aemond attacking aegon, alicent betraying her family are terrible changes imo, ruined team green.
Season 2 hate was overblown imo it was slightly disappointing but people act like it was worse than the last few seasons of GOT i honestly enjoyed most of it outside of a few silly moments. The ending was lackluster but not bad enough to take the season below like a 7.5 imo
Rhaenya casually killing thousands of small folk and having no repercussion was insane. When she was killed, we should have seen a scene of the small folk happy for her being dead. The same applies to what Rhaenyra did to the Targaryen bastards. We should have seen at least Ulf and Hugh having their doubts about her, once they realized that she didn’t let the other bastards leave the carnage. Make them wonder if they are just cannon fodder for her. Instead, nothing happened. It’s like the writers have done good ideas but can’t understand (or don’t care on) how to make an impact of it. Their obvious bias in favor of the Black faction is also a major issue. Why did they make Aegon a rapist and supporter of child cage fight? They didn’t need to go that far. And that’s not even in the books!
I love this show but there's deintely a lack of communication between the writers and/or the production team. Characters are very inconsistent between episodes and there's a lot of repetitive dialogue and scenes
The whole team black good, team green bad is annoying as a viewer. It feels like I’m being spoon fed a narrative by the writers from a show where the audience is all adults. I don’t need to have the show make my decisions on my behalf because it makes the whole “pick a team” pointless. They’ve already chosen for us. What’s ironic though is people still like team green because the characters are more complex 😂
Lack of consequences/impact is a theme of this show. Cole killing a nobleman at a wedding has no repercussions. Rhaenys killing a ton of smallfolk somehow means that they loved her. Luke’s death and Blood and Cheese cause grief for an episode before the characters completely forget that they happened.
I think you are right! There are small details here and there that could have made certain scenes better sure but all the big flaws in both seasons relate to actions not having consequences. Be that Cole openly murdering a nobleman at a royal wedding, Rhaneys massacring hundreds of civilians at the coronation (her also spearing the greens had not enough set up and the whole event was just unnecessary and should have been removed!) blood and cheese & Luceries death have no impact 2 episodes after the have happened. (I think the detailed changes to blood and cheese are a terrible mistake too but really what kills the scene outright is the fact that everyone forgets about it so soon). Frankly season 2 would have been so much better if they had avoided these pitfalls and merely allowed Rehnyra and Alison to be more flawed characters, driven in part by pride and vengeance and willing to let evil happen or commit evil for the sake of the crown/their families. That would also have kept up the nuisance of who to root for from season 1 alive. In season 2 you basically have good and bad guys instead of two teams of flawed characters (some of them can be pretty good and innocent (Helena and most of the kids on team black) and others be outright immoral (e.g. Aemond and Daemon)) Oh well it is how it is now. There is still lots of potential there for the writers to make something amazing out of the show but they need to learn their lessons and be willing to let their "good" darling characters do some questionable stuff. That and they need to stop letting them drink from the amnesia water from season 8 of GoT so they remembered previous events and act like they do
George R.R. Martin is an absolute genius of a writer. With that said, naming two twin characters, Erryk (Eric) and Arryk (Eric), is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen 😂😂
I think it's something he did mostly as a joke - Fire and Blood was never treated with the same level of seriousness as the main books by him - and in the book they're easier to distinguish because you're reading their names and can clearly see which letter is which, as opposed to the show where it's spoken so it sounds very similar. Maybe the show should have renamed Arryk to Aerryk (pronounced Ay-rick) to make the name sound a bit more different.
it is not dumb it shows that people from that came from one womb and look the same got split between who fraction if this was written better and we knew them better it would be heartbreaking
I totally agree with your ranking and can't help but say that your editing in videos is superb. I love those little cutscenes from the GoT and the Office you use to explain the bizarreness and emotions in the show. Keep up the good work!
Rhaenyra's sexuality isnt the problem, it's the WAY the scene happens, the lack of build up, the awkward timing, and the lack of narrative consequences
1) Rhaenys bursting through the dragon pit was the worst scene in HOTD. 2) Alicent sneaking into Dragonstone and trying to make peace with Rhaenyra was the second worst scene in Hotd and that's not considering how badly that will affect the future scenes for Alicent. Even though it's already ruined some of her past scenes for me. 3) what other scene would you add to this list?
@@OBBS agreed. It would have made sense if there was some build up to it throughout the season or if it had some consequences because it was just never mentioned again.
Criston murdering Joffrey Lonmoth is pretty horrible, S2 did a LOT to repair Criston but he was handled very poorly in S1 Rhaenyra and Mysaria kissing scene was REALLY dumb and shoehorned
Imo, S2E8 is far worse than S2E3. E3 is only flawed because of its ending, while E8 has what is basically the exact same ending but way worse and character damaging, along with the episode having the bloat of Rhaena and Tyland.
Yeah I feel like some of the episodes he will point out 3 good moments that take up like 6% of the episodes screentime and say they were good. I think S2E6 was terrible and should be way on the other side of the list.
@@Phantastically I love E3 a lot more than most. Everything on the Green's side was phenomenal, and I especially liked seeing Cole completely eroding under the weight of his immoral actions and his undeserving and reckless promotion to the second most powerful man in the seven kingdoms. I also really like his relationship with Gwain, who is one of my top 5 characters from this season.
@@sugarcombfilms3467 totally agree! E3 is actually quite underrated imo, in addition to the Green's side as you mention I agree with Supercuts that Daemon's introduction to Harrenhal is one of the best scenes in the season. And to be totally honest, I quite liked the ending when I first watched it, but after I thought about it more as well as seeing how that scene aged throughout season 2, I definitely understand the criticism.
When I started watching I already knew what the first place would be. I like all the episodes, even the "bad" ones I still find them enjoyable, despite their flaws. But nothing comes close to the greatness of "The lord of the tides". The dinning scene is so wholesome and so heartbreaking, Rhaenyra begging Viserys for his support is so touching, and the throne room scene, gets me in tears every time. What a masterpiece.
@@status_quo_post I agree it definitely leaves Harold’s exit open ended I feel like if he were still alive, having a somewhat close relationship with rhaenyra he would’ve attempted to travel to dragon stone and serve out the rest of his days as her queens guard but idk not every knight has a barristen selmy mindset maybe he is content with staying out of the conflict
@@BigRobMC I think so as well. An option could be that he was imprisoned offscreen and that Rhaenyra frees him when she takes Kings Landing and then he serves in her Queensguard that is dramatically short of men.
@@status_quo_postif I remember it correctly he appears in S1E10 on Dragonstone so he can’t be imprisoned. He just went away the same way Laenor did. They kept both characters around just to do nothing with it
You can tell that....well...2 and 4 were both great....but 2 was better drama than 4 ....but some just need those dragon battles so they say 4 was better :)
I think season 1 is harder to rank because it was more consistent throughout (with episode 8 being a clear standout) but season 2 was much more inconsistent where I have no trouble ranking it (4,7,2,1,8,6,5,3)
AH, i got it. "Decimating Veamond". Means removing a 10th aka half his head approximately. A 10th of his body. I hope you at least meant it that way and not in a purely adjective kind of way.
My top 5 is quite the same as you but in a different order : 1) Driftmark 2) the lord of the tide 3) Rhaenyra the Cruel 4) the black queen 5) the red dragon and the gold
I love that top 3. Driftmark was a flawless episode from start to finish, lord of the tides was emotionally gripping, rhaenyra the cruel had some of the best acting and cinematography I've seen in a fantasy series to date.
To me, one of the best scenes is at the season 1 finale when we get to see Vhagar silhoutte at the distance and REALLY get a hint of how huge she is and how hopeless the situation is for the little black
“I never asked for this crown. Gold is cold & heavy on the head but so long as I am the king, I have a duty … If I must sacrifice one child to the flames to save a million from the dark … Sacrifice … is never easy, Davos. Or it is no true sacrifice.”- The Mannis Aegon II is the true king recognised by Stannis.
@@freddiemckellar7586 Cause he is the goat."It has always been so. I am not . . . I am not a cruel man, Ser Davos. You know me. Have known me long. This is not my decree. It has always been so, since Aegon's day and before. Daemon Blackfyre, the brothers Toyne, the Vulture King, Grand Maester Hareth . . . traitors have always paid with their lives . . . even Rhaenyra Targaryen. She was daughter to one king and mother to two more, yet she died a traitor's death for trying to usurp her brother's crown. It is law. Law, Davos. Not cruelty."
@@AerysIIFirstofhisname I love Stannis but not committing kin slaying is law so if he is willing to sacrifice his nephew that proves the kings word trumps pre-established laws in Stannis’s eyes therefore Rhaenyra being a traitor is a contradiction because she was Viserys’s chosen heir despite pre-established law.
@@theyoungknight.3119 Stannis and Aegon are in similar positions cause Stannis is not named heir by Robert but he is the rightful one cause Joffrey is illegitimate, Aegon is not named heir but he is the true one cause cause Rhaenyra is a woman but more importantly her heirs are illegitimate.
18. We Light The Way 17. Smallfolk 16. The Burning Mill 15. The Queen Who Ever Was 14. The Princess And The Queen 13. The Green Council 12. Regent 11. A Son For A Son 10. The Heirs Of The Dragon 9. The King Of The Narrow Sea 8. The Rogue Prince 7. Second Of His Name 6. The Red Sowing 5. Driftmark 4. The Black Queen 3. The Red Dragon And The Gold 2. Rhaenyra The Cruel 1. Lord Of The Tides
Yeah… I’m sorry but no they weren’t. Having your fan favorite character (Daemon) go jerk around at the haunted fucking mansion for the entire season accomplishing nothing was not “top of their game” material.
@@KumaIsKing123 you can dislike the Harrenhall material and agree at the same time that Matt Smith did an incredible job this season which is what the top game is referring to and I did mention that the writing was weak.
He and Rhaenyra and Alicent are so useless and still got the most screen time while s2 should focus on kids more but no we need watch how Daemon tipping ,Alicent take bath and Rhenyra look at dust and dont know what to do
Season 1 Aemond: I am loyal to my own and have been training to be a good ruler all my life. Season 2 Aemond: Fuck my family and the people I’m meant to rule.
You don t understand Aemond at this point understand he is the villain and he do terrible things and he like what is doing He hate just because he start the war and after that people see him as a villain so he understand this and become the villian Is the same story like with Jaime Lannister
It’s just poor writing. He was more complex in season 1 and even in the beginning of season 2 but the writers decided to assassinate his character and make him a complete psychopath which is boring. The writers did a lot of team green characters dirty. Alicent is willing to sell out her kids, Helaena doesn’t care about the brutal murder of her son, Aemond no longer has any morality. It’s disappointing writing.
It seems that you don’t understand the character. Aemond is intense and can be ruthless but he’s that way for a reason. Making him completely evil character in season 2 was boring and poor writing.
Still going to watch for Aegon and Otto. Also interested to see how they handle Daeron. Everything else I could care less about honestly and I’m a huge Thrones/ASOIAF nerd.
Honestly agree, I didn’t care for the source material (f&b, absolutely love ASOIAF) and I’m just happy to be getting more of this universe, even if it’s not perfect
I agree on "Lord of the Tides" beinng the strongnest episode and I'd one more thing to what you said. This is what the entire episode is based on from the book: "That same year, across Blackwater Bay, the Sea Snake was stricken by a sudden fever. As he took to his bed, surrounded by maesters, the issue arose as to who should succeed him as Lord of the Tides and Master of Driftmark should the sickness claim him. With his trueborn children dead, by law his lands and titles should pass to his grandson Jacaerys … but since Jace would presumably ascend the Iron Throne after his mother, Princess Rhaenyra urged her good-father to name instead her second son, Lucerys. Lord Corlys also had half a dozen nephews, however, and the eldest of them, Ser Vaemond Velaryon, protested that the inheritance by rights should pass to him … on the grounds that Rhaenyra’s sons were bastards sired by Harwin Strong. The princess was not slow in answering this charge. She dispatched Prince Daemon to seize Ser Vaemond, had his head removed, and fed his carcass to her dragon. Even this did not end the matter, however. Ser Vaemond’s younger brothers fled to King’s Landing with his wife and sons, there to cry for justice and place their claims before the king and queen. King Viserys had grown extremely fat and red of face, and scarce had the strength to mount the steps to the Iron Throne. His Grace heard them out in a stony silence, then ordered their tongues removed, every one. “You were warned,” he declared, as they were being dragged away. “I will hear no more of these lies.”" In other words, they took two paragraphs that were not remarkable in any way and turned them into a great episode of television. In the book this doesn't happen on the same day that Viserys has the dinner and dies either, but it was a great idea of them to fit that into this episode too. Obviously George deserves part of the credit for any of this stuff, but for this particular episode most of the credit for the writing actually goes to the writers of the show.
@@TheHyenaGalaxy22i’m really worried about the battles. considering how they cut costs on season two by a lot, them having like 7 battles to do in season 3 scares me got a feeling a few may be condensed into one and some may be off screen sadly. hope i’m wrong tho
The Meylys dragon pit thing again. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ There's a big wooden hatch/cover thing over the massive ramp that they established is in the dragonpit in season 1 episode 6 during the "dragon training scene" with the green and black boys. Aemond is brought a pig dressed as a dragon and is teased by the other boys, he goes down to the dragon "stables" via the ramp to attempt to tame a dragon, gets a bit singed and is brought to his mother and helaena by a dragon keeper. Helaena says "he'll have to close an eye" in order to get a dragon. Later before everyone goes into the city of KL, helaena says "there is a beast beneath the boards" Boards. B O A R D S. meaning wood, not stone. Like the kind of thing you might make a cover for a big fucking great hole in the floor out of.
The Rhaenys dragon pit scene was stupid as fuck to begin with. Just a girlboss moment that never happened in the book and ruined what could've been a great coronation scene with Sunfyre.
My own ranking is: 18.S1E9 17.S2E5 16.S1E5 15.S2#8 14.S2E4 13.S1E5 12.S1E2 11.S2E3 10.S2E6 9.S2E1 8.S1E7 7.S2E7 6.S1E3 5.S1E4 4.S1E1 3.S1E10 2.S2E2 1.S1E8 ATTACK ME (or just ask for my specific opinion😁)
@@TheHyenaGalaxy22 16 is S1E6. On S2E4, I think the first 30 minutes is fine, nothing special in particular. I think the battle is cool, but battles dont make as enthusiastic as most people. I also felt it was pretty predictable that Rhaenys was going to die.
Glad we all agree on the top spot. That throne room scene has never failed to move me to tears. Viserys is the GOAT of this show, it's not the same bow he's gone. I realize my love for his character was strong
I'm not lying when I say I just didn't wanted to continue watching this video after 20 seconds. "We Light The Way" the worst episode? You gotta be kidding. This show is full of convenient stuff, and when for once they do it right, crafting well the tension, with a nice montage protraying the downfall of the realm you all complain? Alicent entrance must be one of the best scenes of the entire series...
I was waiting, and counting down the episodes for you to mention season 1 episode 8 and I wasn't disappointed, as it is clearly the best episode of the series hands down, just with the throne room scene alone.
Not sure how to rate season 2 eps relative to season 1 but relative to each other within each season line for line agree (except to put 1.7 behind eps 1.3 an 1.4)
19:08 i have to disagree with u here, if my childhood best friend married one of my parents i dont think time passing would be the remedy to make me forgive them. i understood rhaenyra there
Well, you're saying that from the perspective of our current time. Three years would be enough to understand that your childhood doesn't have much control over that, even if you might be a bit bitter.
@@blerdrhythm8434 exactly bro the show made rhaenyra so boring it annoys tf out of me Starting from s1 rhaenyra should have started playing the game. Also she should hate allicent 100 percent Not this soft rhaenyra that I am seeing
@@SererityisanEcho even when you add in the conversation that Rhae had with Viserys JUST before he announced his marriage to Alicent? Nah, I'm out for blood. Because you say here and BS'd me about duty then married someone who brought no political value to you? We would have to fight. Then and there.
I overall enjoyed this season mostly because it had so many great emotional scenes you can tell that the writers struggled a little bit to have these characters interact with each other and having certain things be too subtle overall i liked it and i think binging it will be more enjoyable but I'm so scared for the next season with HBO cutting episodes I'm so worried for pacing i just wish we had more, more episodes in the first season, and having the battle of the gullet at the end of season 2, but its alright and i absolutely adore the actors so ill stay along for the ride.
S1E1 has that Viserys disowning Daemon scene...that alone puts it to the top 2 for me. That scene is THE greatest scene in the show par none with the obvious exception of Viserys "the Golden" walking in to the throne room like a goddamn Elden Ring boss.
I personally disagree with a lot of these rankings, and that's fine because that's just a difference of opinion, but what irks me about this video is how it gets into CinemaSins territory in its reasoning for ranking some very strong episodes so low...things like "Seasmoke is a free agent but Laenor's death wasn't shown on-screen," "Rhaenyra & Alicent should have made up during the time jump before this episode," "Criston Cole murders Joffrey and we never see Alicent pardon his crime," and a handful of other complaints are very nitpicky as the show chooses to not spell everything out which allows the audience to use their imaginations. I do, however, agree with some complaints such as the day-for-night filter in S1E7 (which is a valid complaint about a technical flaw in the filmmaking) and slow pacing coupled with uneventful subplots in some episodes (predominantly in season 2).
1. Driftmark was a flawless episode from start to finish, 2. lord of the tides was emotionally gripping, 3. rhaenyra the cruel had some of the best acting and cinematography I've seen in a fantasy series to date.
I’m extremely optimistic with season 3 given how chaotic things were behind the scenes with the writers strike and that HBO cut the season from 10 episodes down to 8. I think they should’ve either added more politics and finished the season with the shot of Rhaenyra and the dragons vs Aemond, or they should have finished the season with the Battle of the Gullet or one of the other ones they built up to
I've said this before, house of the dragon is one of the most frustrating shows I've ever watched, it has all the right peaces, all the bones of a show that could become one of my absolute favourites off all time and sometimes is brushes up agienst greatness but then there's something unbelievably stupid, logic problems or just bad writing choices that drag it down amoung other issues l, and it's like why your soo close, it's not like this show is just full force horseshit like rings of power where you just stop watching because of how bad it is, this show has glimmers of brilliance and it isn't reaching its full potential
S2 was great, but it had a few extremely weird/contrived scenes and the end was very antclimatic unfortunately (probably due to the two episodes veing cut). I loved Daempn hanging around in harrenhall, but I can definitely understand why people thought it went on to long haha. I also feel cutting nettles was probably the wordt plot change theyve done but still, 80-90% was really good!
No, sadly it was no near "great"... There were many out of character moments; rushed character developments, plotholes and many more problems with it... Daemon's Harrenhal "motherfking (🤣) trip wasn't bad because it was slow, but it doesn't make any sense. Just like Rhaenyra leaving Aemond alive and Haelena being a "three-eyed ravenlike" thing.
@@Hear.myvoice dont know, for me the good parts definitely outweighted the bad - for me it was a 8-9/10 show with sudden bursts of 4/10 stuff here and there haha. But no episode is bad through and through, but yeah you might disagree which of course is okay haha
No it wasn't great. Some characters were extremly inconsistent. Some of them were doing nothing. Most of them were not interesting. There was a lot of illogical things that happened. This season was overall mid. There were some really good scenes, but most of the scenes were mid, or bad. Some were simply terrible. We definietly shouldn't say it was great. I'm sure there was a lot of people who claimed seasons 7 and 6 of GoT were "great", which lead the showrunners to believe they can make any shit and people will buy it, so they made season 8. Only then the audience said it was bad, but that was unfirtunatelly too late
I'm pretty sure that's a thing with females that they refuse to drop beef with their former friends. I have classmates who once had a massive friend group together but had a very literal civil war and broke into two. They still will not be friends again. It has been almost 5 years.
THANK YOU those episodes in season 1 were really flawed and overrated, the worst episodes in season 2 might be a bit slow and boring but they didnt have much bad writing and action over logic
Thought this was a very nuanced and unbiased ranking, opened the comments to see what other people have to say only to immediately get bombarded with blind season 2 hate. To those of you that let a few questionable writing choices affect your view of the entire rest of the show: who hurt you?
I reckon that it’s a remnant of got Season 7-8’s poison. People are still so obsessed with hating on it that they beat down any average-below average decision or scene in hotd.
God, I hate how just discount criticism just because they personally like the product. if they don’t like season two, nothing is wrong with them. They aren’t hurt. They just don’t like it.
@@Cheese23145, I think it's totally fine if someone doesn't like season 2. Everyone can have their own opinion. What truly annoys me personally, are the people who think that everybody who doesn't straight up hate season 2 is "coping about season 2".
Having 10 episodes would not have made Alicent and Rhaenyra’s meetings less dumb though, and neither the sudden pacifism, Corlys being underused, etc. I do agree with you that Warner’s decision to cut the season was catastrophic. And it is worrying when we think about how next season must have a lot of crucial, very CGI carried moments, which needs the money the studio refused to give. But the many low writing points are not Warner’s fault.
Criston confirmed that alicent saved Cristons life twice, once from the headsman axe, and once from himself. So something did happen but it was rushed or just cut. This is in the season 2 finale
Well, my list would be. S2-e8>S1-e9>S2-e3>S1-e5>S2-e3>S2-e5>S1-e6>S1-e4>S2-e6>S2-e7>S1-e1> S1-e2>S2-e1>S1-e3>S1-e7>S2-e4>S1-e10>S2-e2>S1>S1-e8 Worst to best. I just dislike all the seasons with Rhaenyra and Alicent in season two and the whitewashing of both of them.
Best episode by far is season 1 episode 8, The Lord of The Tides. Viserys's death, the family dinner, Viserys and Daemon seeing each other again after all these years, seeing the kids all grown up finally, banger scene after banger scene. Up next is season 1 episode 7, Driftmark. Aemond claiming a dragon, fighting with his cousins, the following altercation with the adults were all good. Really dumb ending tho. Rhaenyra wants the realm and the Velaryons to know she had Laenor killed? I know they want don't want to depict her as terrible as she is in the books but c'mon. Up next is Season 1 episode 10, The Black Queen. This episode has crazy good visuals. I wish they had developed Luke a lot more before killing him off, his death fell very flat, but that's really the only issue with this episode everything else is great. Up next is season 1 episode 6, The Princess and the Queen. Great child actors, show finally starts to pick up and settle in. I'm mixed on such a massive time jump, however. On 1 hand, i was getting really bored watching kid Rhaenyra complain, but on the other hand, we're halfway thru this season, and we're introduced to a completely new cast we know close to nothing about. Alicent is now screaming at her children that they must challenge Rhaenyra. Why would you tell a teenager to commit treason? Was she not worried he would get drunk and gossip about everything she's said? Laena and Harwin die but they weren't developed whatsoever so their deaths just fall flat. Up next is Season 2 episode 1, A Son for a Son. Blood and Cheese i thought was shot and filmed pretty well, every scene with Daemon and Otto is good, Rhaenyra only gets 1 line, that alone easily makes this episode 1 of the best. However the death scene once again falls very flat imo. We barely know Halaena, let alone her son. Imo these 5 episodes are really the only great ones, everything else sorta falls off a cliff. Season 2 episode 4, The Red Dragon and the Gold was alright but that's really just because of the action and visuals. Focusing so much on Alicent and Rhaenyra has ruined the story. The 1st 5 episodes of season 1 have no rewatch value and the rest of season 2 honestly is a chore to sit thru.
I wish they could make season 1 cut down. First 4 is them young Epsiode 6- Aemond gets a dragon and they keep the knife cut Episode-7 Visery dies Epsiode 8- Jace dies Epsiode- 9- Blood and Cheese Epsiode 10- Rooks rest You could save Daemond taking Harrenhal in season 2.
The only reason why we got 8 episodes was cuz WB who owns HBO is going belly up and forced them to cut the budget so the chose to make it 8 episodes so they can focus on the battle of the gullet next season.
Guaranteed at least 50 innocent people died when Rhaenys busted through the temple on her dragon, having her stop from frying Alicent was nonsense. Then again, there have been multiple moments where Alicent should've been killed or captured but just isn't.
Let’s all pray to whatever god is there for the writers to remember this is a civil war story, something quickly and brutal (in the books they are “adapting” everything happened in two years), not this “I don’t want war” bull they pulled on us
The same people who are trying to convince themselves that season 2 wasn’t “that bad” or actually even “good” are the same people that liked season 7-8 of GOT
People claiming that season 2 was utterly trash are as stupid as season 7-8 likers. Y'all just spoilt kids not appreciating the good things that happened, even if many things were flawed.
@@freezerkp619Spoiled because we have honor that you lack? They robbed us of two episodes because some Zaslav said so and we waited two years for some dumb scenes written by Sara hess who has no idea what the story is about. You people have no honor, they make money thanks to us so we demad the quality of 1-4 seasons of GOT, you people will never stand up no matter what they do.
@@agpoland3632completely agree with you. Given the astronomical amounts of money that get given to the main cast/writers/management level - some even earning more in a year than some people can earn in their lifetimes - why should we, as the social class often seen by Hollywood people as being "beneath them", not have the right to expect better for the entertainment that we pay for?
1x4 is the worst for me by far, its boring, makes Daemon look like an idiot and a straight up weirdo, has the 3rd most uncomfortable sex scene to watch in this franchise after Sansa and Arya, Alicent acting really weird about the things Rhaenyra does. Also anyone who can think that Rhaenyra is a good person who deserves to be queen is baffling to me. She would be just as bad as Aegon just for different reason. Also no one can tell me she is a better written character than him, compare their scenes this season and it isn't even close.
Daemon idiot ? In season 1 ep 4?? No i think you don t know what Daemon wanted He wants to have Rhaenyra for the throne that wans his plan to take her virginity and Viserys to be forced to marry her with Daemon
@@aidenlehman99also the place that has Battle of the Bastards, Winds of Winter, Hardhome and Spoils of war with a higher rating than Watchers on the Wall, Blackwater, Fire and Blood, Baelor, Kissed by Fire, You win or you die...
@@74ss43 IMDb isn’t perfect but it’s a pretty accurate reflection of a show or movies quality. The episode where they kiss each other shouldn’t be thaaat low but it’s a horrible episode none the less and the fact that the kiss was improvised makes it 10 times worse and explains why there is nothing leading up to that point that indicates Rhanyera even liking girls much less Messandei. Absolutely inexcusable terrible writing. Don’t know why y’all are defending it so hard.
i think season 2 is almost as good as season 1 it just needed 2 more episodes to finish it example: episode 9 the battle of the gullet episode 10: fall of kingslanding
You've pointed out so many narrative weaknesses of S1 that I willfully ignored them the first time. Only a few good scenes and character developments make up for what is an otherwise mediocre show writing-wise. I initially forgave the time skip element of S1 because I considered it necessary as a set-up season and to fast-track the story to where it was supposed to truly start. But I've now realized that starting the story from younger Rhyneara's time was a mistake. If the story started from the later half of the season, we could have actually gotten a more streamlined story where we have the time to properly flesh out not only the main characters but the side characters as well. We could have had more compelling character unravelling, interactions and dialogue. The way it is now, we've ended 2 seasons with many of the main players barely having said 2 lines of dialogue to each other (Especially the majority of the black council. We barely know those lords.) Season 2 completely wasted its run time and underutilized many characters (corlys, jace, rheana, etc) If the first season started within the red keep with an already tense environment with the narrative focused on unravelling the various character motivations and allegiances, we could have gotten a far superior show and S2 wouldn't have to bear the burden of simply being another build-up season. (and we wouldn't have seen such egregious writing mistakes trying to forcibly focus the story into a certain direction) And they missed out on exploring Rheanyras more dark and cunning side. From the very beginning we could have focused on how both adult Alicent and Rheanyra navigate and manipulate Kings Landing politics to get what they want and slowly establish that no one is justified here. They would have been more interesting and dynamic characters and would have given us more moments of conflict. And although I appreciated the initial episodes of the first season giving more depth to their relationship by exploring their friendship, it wasn't entirely necessary. King Viserys could still be delivered as an interesting character without starting from when he was healthy. And characters discussing or alluding back to the happenings of what became Ep1-5 of S1 rather than actually filming those scenes would have been better as it could be similar to Game of Thrones where the dialogue was meatier bc the character constantly referred to events that piqued our interest. The writers basically took major missteps at the very start of the show and its only become more abundantly clear now with S2 being worse.
@@romainchambard4399 it's like starting Game of Thrones with Robert's Rebellion and the aftermath, instead of where the show actually starts. We didn't need an entire season of 'flash-back' to understand character ties, motivations, etc. Audiences aren't stupid if they pay attention. What op proposes give more time to develop characters more.
@@SererityisanEcho except that the audience loved that prologue and the young actresses and viserys . It was really good and guess what, the book aswell as this pages of prologue.
@@romainchambard4399 I also enjoyed the first season, much more than season 2. And I know that the prologue is in the book. But the book is written more like historical fantasy, so it kind of works with the prologue. But I think the time skips in season 1 were the worst part, and simply skipping ahead to after the last time skip would be best.
@@freezerkp619 yes I did because that's what people PAY to see. The dragons grew up and burned stuff up in seasons 7&8. YAY!!!!!! You need to stick with the lifetime channel or go sit in the library. I graduated from college a long time ago and now I PAY for HBO. How can you watch a show about dragons and witches and knights and etc..... and not want to see them in action? Did the Lord of the rings have action or was it just the enthralling dialogue that made it so much money???
@@freezerkp619it's "woke" people like you that have ruined the television and film industry. I bet you watched the show for the incest and gay scenes. They were probably the most intriguing moments for you
It's bad, it's just sad, and bad. the sudden time jumps, the missing scenes, unexplained motivations, off screen action, counterintuitive decisions, poorly thought out plots, I mean I really hate to say this, but all of it is just very, veeery bad.
I think the pilot is actually one of the best episodes. It just had this Game of thrones atmosphere; Milly and Emily have an amazing chemistry, the music is perfect
Agreed. It's crazy that the first episodes before the timeskip now feel nostalgic. Everything after the timeskip is largely medicore, though of course there are a lot of great scenes. Just as a whole, it's disappointing.
Agreed. The first episode does an excellent job of introducing us to the characters and the overall state of things and establishing many fundamental themes in the show while also being gorgeously filmed, edited, designed, and scored.
Absolutely agreed. And calling the tourney "too long" is weird imo because this is the stuff which makes the world building of ASOIAF so much richer and more interesting. I have waited years to see scenes like this in GoT, so this was just great to me!
@@Romy-90 Yep. Compare the tourney in HotD's first episode to the one in season 1 of GoT...that is the kind of thing they would've done if they had the budget back then. It is also not just mindless fight scenes - there is a lot of character & plot foundation building in it, and the way it cuts between the tourney and Aemma's tragic birthing scene is thematically on-point ("A woman's battlefield is the birthing bed").
The pilot is so amazing, especially the end with " the prince that was promised " track
I’ve already said this on another video but I wish the fandom would show some nuance when discussing season 2. The season can be flawed and also have great episodes, and Hess and Condal can make mistakes without “ruining the show.” Season 2 had some problems but I still looked forward to it every week, and Season 1 was great. I’m sure Season 3 will be enjoyable as well.
This is the perfect take
EXACTLY, some mistakes can definitely be made but the show overall is still good and enticing. I feel like there’s a sub group of the fandom that feel personally betrayed by the writing performance of s6,s7,s8 GOT and now they just dedicate their time to examining, identifying, and over emphasizing flaws in hod
Their insistence on pushing the dead friendship between Alicent and Rhaenyra and misunderstandings is really getting tiring. The seem to want to make it the main focus about these two oppressed women when it should be about Aegon v Rhaenyra. Two of the three worst scenes in this show are Rhaenyra and Alicent sneaking around to see each other and stop a war that has already started. And oh look season 3 will be another misunderstanding because Aegon has disappeared so ne deal. Making them friends was by far the worst decision this show has ever made.
@@lucasbelmonte2832 Ok it's fair if you think this and i agree with some of what you said but I also did like a bunch of stuff in season 2. There's negatives but a lot of people focus only on the negatives when I also found some positives.
@@BigRobMC I agree it feels like even outside of this fandom, after Game of Thrones Season 8 we highlight flaws in media so much more hyperbolically than before. And like yes Season 8 is terrible but I don't know why that discourse still affects other shows so deeply. Imagine if The Sopranos Season 2 released today... I like Season 2 but I know some people have issues with how certain plot threads were resolved. But people acknowledge that and move on which doesn't seem to happen with House of the Dragon. Honestly I miss when Season 1 was coming out because myself and lots of others were pleasantly surprised by how good it was but now that we can identify some narrative issues throughout the show people think the entire show is ruined, which is never how stories work.
The series as a whole suffers from infantilizing Rhaenyra. She can do no wrong and even when she kinslays Helena's children, it's all forgotten about two episodes later. The Greens, however, are painted as the baddies but Aegon and Cole are the most interesting characters in the show.
Except she didn't kinslay Helaena's kids, Daemon did. Even if the greens didn't know that, Aemond, a green, just kinslayed Rhaenyra's kid. What claim to kinslaying can they really make?
I agree about Aegon being a very interesting character, though. Cole as well. Miles better than the Team Black counterparts.
@@InJouHandeshe gave the order to assassinate aemond and didn't elaborate futher. She's to take responsibility for her actions
@@InJouHande it’s pretty well shown that Aemond didn’t mean to kill Luce, that was all Vhaegar.
It’s essentially the exact same scenario for both characters. Aemond wanted revenge on Luce but his wild animal went too far, and Rheynera wanted revenge on Aemond but her wild animal, Daemon, went too far. Both carry responsibility just for the simple fact neither situation would’ve happened if Rheynera and Aemond hadn’t played with fire.
@@Diego000793 to assasinate Aemond. There you go. No elaboration needed. Jahaerys and Aemond are not the same person; not even father and son. Now, if Aemond was to die...then she could take full responsibility for ordering his death, sure, but this was Daemon's call. One could argue she should have known Daemon would have done something like this, but she was barely thinking, lost in grief...what exactly do you expect from her in this situation? Her explicitly saying I WANT AEMOND TARGARYEN and Daemon taking that as "oh yes, Jahaerys..." can't be labeled "her actions".
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My favourite episode is (so far) S1EP8 "The Lord of the Tides". The tragedy and emotion of seeing Viserys and his family in his last days before everything falls apart is just top tier TV. I just cannot forget the amazing performances, the music, the bitter sweet moments.
Halaena is not "on Team Black" as you say. She simply has seen the events that are to come in her dreams. She also knows exactly how monstrous Aemond is.
Larys, aegon, alicent and helena aren’t green anymore, it’s basically team black vs Aemond. There’s no united front.
@@VeniVidiVici100 That's a fair assessment. I don't dispute that there is disarray among the Greens. I wouldn't say Helaena is team Green either. I just mean that herappearing in Daemon's dream doesn't mean she wants him or the Blacks to win. And her saying the Aemond will die is similarly not a judgement against him. In fact, we've been shown that Helaena is not a vindictive person who holds a grudge, she forgave Alicent without being asked, for instance.
Helaena is burdened by the knowledge of what is to come. We have pretty specific examples that she's seen future events (Aemond will "close an eye", "Beware the beast beneath the boards"). I think it is the source of her "strangeness."
I don't think that Helaena is making value judgements in either of the cases, she's simply telling both of them what she's seen.
@@kkpratt alicent didn’t do anything to Helena, the show made all that up. Why is she talking to daemon at all, if anything with her powers she should try to off him. The show making up Aemond attacking aegon, alicent betraying her family are terrible changes imo, ruined team green.
@@VeniVidiVici100 Cole looked like he was ready to give up too. There really is no more team green.
The lord of the tides was one of the greatest episodes of TV I've ever seen
I rewatch this episode consistently
Season 2 hate was overblown imo
it was slightly disappointing but people act like it was worse than the last few seasons of GOT
i honestly enjoyed most of it outside of a few silly moments. The ending was lackluster but not bad enough to take the season below like a 7.5 imo
Rhaenya casually killing thousands of small folk and having no repercussion was insane. When she was killed, we should have seen a scene of the small folk happy for her being dead.
The same applies to what Rhaenyra did to the Targaryen bastards. We should have seen at least Ulf and Hugh having their doubts about her, once they realized that she didn’t let the other bastards leave the carnage. Make them wonder if they are just cannon fodder for her. Instead, nothing happened.
It’s like the writers have done good ideas but can’t understand (or don’t care on) how to make an impact of it. Their obvious bias in favor of the Black faction is also a major issue. Why did they make Aegon a rapist and supporter of child cage fight? They didn’t need to go that far. And that’s not even in the books!
I love this show but there's deintely a lack of communication between the writers and/or the production team. Characters are very inconsistent between episodes and there's a lot of repetitive dialogue and scenes
Raenyce..?
The whole team black good, team green bad is annoying as a viewer. It feels like I’m being spoon fed a narrative by the writers from a show where the audience is all adults. I don’t need to have the show make my decisions on my behalf because it makes the whole “pick a team” pointless. They’ve already chosen for us. What’s ironic though is people still like team green because the characters are more complex 😂
Lack of consequences/impact is a theme of this show. Cole killing a nobleman at a wedding has no repercussions. Rhaenys killing a ton of smallfolk somehow means that they loved her. Luke’s death and Blood and Cheese cause grief for an episode before the characters completely forget that they happened.
I think you are right!
There are small details here and there that could have made certain scenes better sure but all the big flaws in both seasons relate to actions not having consequences.
Be that Cole openly murdering a nobleman at a royal wedding, Rhaneys massacring hundreds of civilians at the coronation (her also spearing the greens had not enough set up and the whole event was just unnecessary and should have been removed!) blood and cheese & Luceries death have no impact 2 episodes after the have happened. (I think the detailed changes to blood and cheese are a terrible mistake too but really what kills the scene outright is the fact that everyone forgets about it so soon).
Frankly season 2 would have been so much better if they had avoided these pitfalls and merely allowed Rehnyra and Alison to be more flawed characters, driven in part by pride and vengeance and willing to let evil happen or commit evil for the sake of the crown/their families.
That would also have kept up the nuisance of who to root for from season 1 alive. In season 2 you basically have good and bad guys instead of two teams of flawed characters (some of them can be pretty good and innocent (Helena and most of the kids on team black) and others be outright immoral (e.g. Aemond and Daemon))
Oh well it is how it is now. There is still lots of potential there for the writers to make something amazing out of the show but they need to learn their lessons and be willing to let their "good" darling characters do some questionable stuff.
That and they need to stop letting them drink from the amnesia water from season 8 of GoT so they remembered previous events and act like they do
George R.R. Martin is an absolute genius of a writer. With that said, naming two twin characters, Erryk (Eric) and Arryk (Eric), is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen 😂😂
I think it's something he did mostly as a joke - Fire and Blood was never treated with the same level of seriousness as the main books by him - and in the book they're easier to distinguish because you're reading their names and can clearly see which letter is which, as opposed to the show where it's spoken so it sounds very similar. Maybe the show should have renamed Arryk to Aerryk (pronounced Ay-rick) to make the name sound a bit more different.
Had the same thought when I read your comment
haha, he does have a history of naming family members really similar names, and alot of house tully after muppets.
He wasn’t taking things seriously in this timeline, just take a look at house Tully during the dance
it is not dumb it shows that people from that came from one womb and look the same got split between who fraction if this was written better and we knew them better it would be heartbreaking
I totally agree with your ranking and can't help but say that your editing in videos is superb. I love those little cutscenes from the GoT and the Office you use to explain the bizarreness and emotions in the show. Keep up the good work!
Rhaenyra's sexuality isnt the problem, it's the WAY the scene happens, the lack of build up, the awkward timing, and the lack of narrative consequences
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1) Rhaenys bursting through the dragon pit was the worst scene in HOTD.
2) Alicent sneaking into Dragonstone and trying to make peace with Rhaenyra was the second worst scene in Hotd and that's not considering how badly that will affect the future scenes for Alicent. Even though it's already ruined some of her past scenes for me.
3) what other scene would you add to this list?
Every single black small council scene in season 2
Mysaria and Rhaenyra with their tongues down each others throats immediately after she revealed what her father did to her? 🤢
@@OBBS agreed. It would have made sense if there was some build up to it throughout the season or if it had some consequences because it was just never mentioned again.
Rhaenyra!septa meeting Alicent in episode 3 for sure.
Criston murdering Joffrey Lonmoth is pretty horrible, S2 did a LOT to repair Criston but he was handled very poorly in S1
Rhaenyra and Mysaria kissing scene was REALLY dumb and shoehorned
Imo, S2E8 is far worse than S2E3. E3 is only flawed because of its ending, while E8 has what is basically the exact same ending but way worse and character damaging, along with the episode having the bloat of Rhaena and Tyland.
Yeah I feel like some of the episodes he will point out 3 good moments that take up like 6% of the episodes screentime and say they were good. I think S2E6 was terrible and should be way on the other side of the list.
yeah imo E3 is a great episode with a meh ending, E8 is a very mixed episode with a straight up bad ending that also completely fails as a finale
@@kevincatal8869 S2E6 is my 3rd worst S2 episode and my 4th worst episode of HOTD in general.
@@Phantastically I love E3 a lot more than most. Everything on the Green's side was phenomenal, and I especially liked seeing Cole completely eroding under the weight of his immoral actions and his undeserving and reckless promotion to the second most powerful man in the seven kingdoms. I also really like his relationship with Gwain, who is one of my top 5 characters from this season.
@@sugarcombfilms3467 totally agree! E3 is actually quite underrated imo, in addition to the Green's side as you mention I agree with Supercuts that Daemon's introduction to Harrenhal is one of the best scenes in the season. And to be totally honest, I quite liked the ending when I first watched it, but after I thought about it more as well as seeing how that scene aged throughout season 2, I definitely understand the criticism.
When I started watching I already knew what the first place would be. I like all the episodes, even the "bad" ones I still find them enjoyable, despite their flaws. But nothing comes close to the greatness of "The lord of the tides". The dinning scene is so wholesome and so heartbreaking, Rhaenyra begging Viserys for his support is so touching, and the throne room scene, gets me in tears every time. What a masterpiece.
Yeah where in the seven hells is Harrold Westerling? Bro was MIA for all of season 2.
In the books Harold westerling at this point has already died of natural old age we probably won’t be seeing him again
@@BigRobMC but if they wanted him out they could have let him die like in the book so I don't know.
@@status_quo_post I agree it definitely leaves Harold’s exit open ended I feel like if he were still alive, having a somewhat close relationship with rhaenyra he would’ve attempted to travel to dragon stone and serve out the rest of his days as her queens guard but idk not every knight has a barristen selmy mindset maybe he is content with staying out of the conflict
@@BigRobMC I think so as well. An option could be that he was imprisoned offscreen and that Rhaenyra frees him when she takes Kings Landing and then he serves in her Queensguard that is dramatically short of men.
@@status_quo_postif I remember it correctly he appears in S1E10 on Dragonstone so he can’t be imprisoned. He just went away the same way Laenor did. They kept both characters around just to do nothing with it
You can tell that....well...2 and 4 were both great....but 2 was better drama than 4 ....but some just need those dragon battles so they say 4 was better :)
I think season 1 is harder to rank because it was more consistent throughout (with episode 8 being a clear standout) but season 2 was much more inconsistent where I have no trouble ranking it (4,7,2,1,8,6,5,3)
AH, i got it. "Decimating Veamond". Means removing a 10th aka half his head approximately. A 10th of his body. I hope you at least meant it that way and not in a purely adjective kind of way.
My top 5 is quite the same as you but in a different order : 1) Driftmark 2) the lord of the tide 3) Rhaenyra the Cruel 4) the black queen 5) the red dragon and the gold
I love that top 3. Driftmark was a flawless episode from start to finish, lord of the tides was emotionally gripping, rhaenyra the cruel had some of the best acting and cinematography I've seen in a fantasy series to date.
To me, one of the best scenes is at the season 1 finale when we get to see Vhagar silhoutte at the distance and REALLY get a hint of how huge she is and how hopeless the situation is for the little black
“I never asked for this crown. Gold is cold & heavy on the head but so long as I am the king, I have a duty … If I must sacrifice one child to the flames to save a million from the dark …
Sacrifice … is never easy, Davos. Or it is no true sacrifice.”- The Mannis
Aegon II is the true king recognised by Stannis.
Naah
Why does Stannis get any say in who is the "true" king. Especially when it is 180 years later.
@@freddiemckellar7586 Cause he is the goat."It has always been so. I am not . . . I am not a cruel man, Ser Davos. You know me. Have known me long. This is not my decree. It has always been so, since Aegon's day and before. Daemon Blackfyre, the brothers Toyne, the Vulture King, Grand Maester Hareth . . . traitors have always paid with their lives . . . even Rhaenyra Targaryen. She was daughter to one king and mother to two more, yet she died a traitor's death for trying to usurp her brother's crown. It is law. Law, Davos. Not cruelty."
@@AerysIIFirstofhisname I love Stannis but not committing kin slaying is law so if he is willing to sacrifice his nephew that proves the kings word trumps pre-established laws in Stannis’s eyes therefore Rhaenyra being a traitor is a contradiction because she was Viserys’s chosen heir despite pre-established law.
@@theyoungknight.3119 Stannis and Aegon are in similar positions cause Stannis is not named heir by Robert but he is the rightful one cause Joffrey is illegitimate, Aegon is not named heir but he is the true one cause cause Rhaenyra is a woman but more importantly her heirs are illegitimate.
18. We Light The Way
17. Smallfolk
16. The Burning Mill
15. The Queen Who Ever Was
14. The Princess And The Queen
13. The Green Council
12. Regent
11. A Son For A Son
10. The Heirs Of The Dragon
9. The King Of The Narrow Sea
8. The Rogue Prince
7. Second Of His Name
6. The Red Sowing
5. Driftmark
4. The Black Queen
3. The Red Dragon And The Gold
2. Rhaenyra The Cruel
1. Lord Of The Tides
Rhaenyra the Cruel went SOO HARD. The only thing I disliked was Alicent and Criston in the end 😅
Great ranking! Always great to get a new video from you!
Season 2 was not bad, it just could have been better. The writing was the weakest point of this season, otherwise everyone was in their top game.
Yeah… I’m sorry but no they weren’t. Having your fan favorite character (Daemon) go jerk around at the haunted fucking mansion for the entire season accomplishing nothing was not “top of their game” material.
@@KumaIsKing123did you even watch the show or read his comment?
@@danielhenze8182 what did I say that was incorrect?
@KumaIsKing123 if all you wanted to see was daemon killing things then you're probably watching the wrong show.
@@KumaIsKing123 you can dislike the Harrenhall material and agree at the same time that Matt Smith did an incredible job this season which is what the top game is referring to and I did mention that the writing was weak.
Daemon made me fall in love with this series.
It such a shame he sat around hallucinating for most of season 2
He and Rhaenyra and Alicent are so useless and still got the most screen time while s2 should focus on kids more but no we need watch how Daemon tipping ,Alicent take bath and Rhenyra look at dust and dont know what to do
I hate how the writers took aemond from "i didnt mean to kill my uncle luke" to "fuck these innocent people living by the sea, im having a bad day".
Season 1 Aemond: I am loyal to my own and have been training to be a good ruler all my life.
Season 2 Aemond: Fuck my family and the people I’m meant to rule.
You don t understand Aemond at this point understand he is the villain and he do terrible things and he like what is doing
He hate just because he start the war and after that people see him as a villain so he understand this and become the villian
Is the same story like with Jaime Lannister
It’s just poor writing. He was more complex in season 1 and even in the beginning of season 2 but the writers decided to assassinate his character and make him a complete psychopath which is boring. The writers did a lot of team green characters dirty. Alicent is willing to sell out her kids, Helaena doesn’t care about the brutal murder of her son, Aemond no longer has any morality. It’s disappointing writing.
@@patrycjazak9753 is not poor writing if you don t understand the character
You read what i say?🤣🤣
And plus Aemond is the same like in the book
It seems that you don’t understand the character. Aemond is intense and can be ruthless but he’s that way for a reason. Making him completely evil character in season 2 was boring and poor writing.
MY TOP 5:
5: S2,E7 The Red Sowing
4: S1,E8 The Lord of the Tides
3: S1,E10 The Black Queen
2: S1,E7 Driftmark
1: S2,E4 The Red Dragon and the Gold
Still going to watch for Aegon and Otto. Also interested to see how they handle Daeron. Everything else I could care less about honestly and I’m a huge Thrones/ASOIAF nerd.
Honestly agree, I didn’t care for the source material (f&b, absolutely love ASOIAF) and I’m just happy to be getting more of this universe, even if it’s not perfect
I agree on "Lord of the Tides" beinng the strongnest episode and I'd one more thing to what you said. This is what the entire episode is based on from the book:
"That same year, across Blackwater Bay, the Sea Snake was stricken by a sudden fever. As he took to his bed, surrounded by maesters, the issue arose as to who should succeed him as Lord of the Tides and Master of Driftmark should the sickness claim him. With his trueborn children dead, by law his lands and titles should pass to his grandson Jacaerys … but since Jace would presumably ascend the Iron Throne after his mother, Princess Rhaenyra urged her good-father to name instead her second son, Lucerys. Lord Corlys also had half a dozen nephews, however, and the eldest of them, Ser Vaemond Velaryon, protested that the inheritance by rights should pass to him … on the grounds that Rhaenyra’s sons were bastards sired by Harwin Strong. The princess was not slow in answering this charge. She dispatched Prince Daemon to seize Ser Vaemond, had his head removed, and fed his carcass to her dragon.
Even this did not end the matter, however. Ser Vaemond’s younger brothers fled to King’s Landing with his wife and sons, there to cry for justice and place their claims before the king and queen. King Viserys had grown extremely fat and red of face, and scarce had the strength to mount the steps to the Iron Throne. His Grace heard them out in a stony silence, then ordered their tongues removed, every one. “You were warned,” he declared, as they were being dragged away. “I will hear no more of these lies.”"
In other words, they took two paragraphs that were not remarkable in any way and turned them into a great episode of television. In the book this doesn't happen on the same day that Viserys has the dinner and dies either, but it was a great idea of them to fit that into this episode too.
Obviously George deserves part of the credit for any of this stuff, but for this particular episode most of the credit for the writing actually goes to the writers of the show.
We better get The battle of the gullet and Tumbleton in season 3, that’s all I know 💯💯💯
I think after this they may give a higher budget that could allow for 12 episodes
One can only hope
@@TheHyenaGalaxy22They already said it will be 8 episodes 😭
@@TheHyenaGalaxy22i’m really worried about the battles. considering how they cut costs on season two by a lot, them having like 7 battles to do in season 3 scares me
got a feeling a few may be condensed into one and some may be off screen sadly.
hope i’m wrong tho
The dinner scene truly is the most heartbreaking but beautiful scene in all of game of thrones/hotd
18:55 *YESSSSSSS* 😈😈😈😈
The Meylys dragon pit thing again. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
There's a big wooden hatch/cover thing over the massive ramp that they established is in the dragonpit in season 1 episode 6 during the "dragon training scene" with the green and black boys. Aemond is brought a pig dressed as a dragon and is teased by the other boys, he goes down to the dragon "stables" via the ramp to attempt to tame a dragon, gets a bit singed and is brought to his mother and helaena by a dragon keeper. Helaena says "he'll have to close an eye" in order to get a dragon.
Later before everyone goes into the city of KL, helaena says "there is a beast beneath the boards"
Boards. B O A R D S. meaning wood, not stone. Like the kind of thing you might make a cover for a big fucking great hole in the floor out of.
The Rhaenys dragon pit scene was stupid as fuck to begin with. Just a girlboss moment that never happened in the book and ruined what could've been a great coronation scene with Sunfyre.
The Lord of the Tides ranks among the greatest GOT episodes easily
I would say just one of the best episodes of any show in general. Ozymandias level... almost.
My own ranking is:
18.S1E9
17.S2E5
16.S1E5
15.S2#8
14.S2E4
13.S1E5
12.S1E2
11.S2E3
10.S2E6
9.S2E1
8.S1E7
7.S2E7
6.S1E3
5.S1E4
4.S1E1
3.S1E10
2.S2E2
1.S1E8
ATTACK ME (or just ask for my specific opinion😁)
You repeated s1e5
1. Which S1E5 is Ep.5 and Ep.6?
2. I’m intrigued as to why S2E4 is at 14
3. What is your opinion on
@@TheHyenaGalaxy22 16 is S1E6. On S2E4, I think the first 30 minutes is fine, nothing special in particular. I think the battle is cool, but battles dont make as enthusiastic as most people. I also felt it was pretty predictable that Rhaenys was going to die.
0:03 he's doing an episode Ranking
Bro's doing gods work🙏
He's also doing an episode Ranking
He starts at 1:13
An updated episode ranking at that
Glad we all agree on the top spot. That throne room scene has never failed to move me to tears. Viserys is the GOAT of this show, it's not the same bow he's gone. I realize my love for his character was strong
I'm not lying when I say I just didn't wanted to continue watching this video after 20 seconds. "We Light The Way" the worst episode? You gotta be kidding. This show is full of convenient stuff, and when for once they do it right, crafting well the tension, with a nice montage protraying the downfall of the realm you all complain? Alicent entrance must be one of the best scenes of the entire series...
I was waiting, and counting down the episodes for you to mention season 1 episode 8 and I wasn't disappointed, as it is clearly the best episode of the series hands down, just with the throne room scene alone.
Not sure how to rate season 2 eps relative to season 1 but relative to each other within each season line for line agree (except to put 1.7 behind eps 1.3 an 1.4)
19:05 3 years? Trust me, I've known personal conflicts that took even longer to resolve.
26:14 Kung Fu Hustle. A masterpiece. 10 thumbs up for including that clip 👍
19:08 i have to disagree with u here, if my childhood best friend married one of my parents i dont think time passing would be the remedy to make me forgive them. i understood rhaenyra there
Well, you're saying that from the perspective of our current time. Three years would be enough to understand that your childhood doesn't have much control over that, even if you might be a bit bitter.
Especially considering both Rhaenyra and Alicent are still teens, her anger still being present is understandable, VERY much so.
@@blerdrhythm8434 exactly bro the show made rhaenyra so boring it annoys tf out of me
Starting from s1 rhaenyra should have started playing the game. Also she should hate allicent 100 percent
Not this soft rhaenyra that I am seeing
@@SererityisanEcho😂🤡
@@SererityisanEcho even when you add in the conversation that Rhae had with Viserys JUST before he announced his marriage to Alicent? Nah, I'm out for blood. Because you say here and BS'd me about duty then married someone who brought no political value to you? We would have to fight. Then and there.
Surely I can't be the only one patiently watching for 30 minutes fully knowing which episode's gonna be #1 😭
That clip at 9:28 is perfection 👌
I overall enjoyed this season mostly because it had so many great emotional scenes you can tell that the writers struggled a little bit to have these characters interact with each other and having certain things be too subtle overall i liked it and i think binging it will be more enjoyable but I'm so scared for the next season with HBO cutting episodes I'm so worried for pacing i just wish we had more, more episodes in the first season, and having the battle of the gullet at the end of season 2, but its alright and i absolutely adore the actors so ill stay along for the ride.
S1E1 has that Viserys disowning Daemon scene...that alone puts it to the top 2 for me. That scene is THE greatest scene in the show par none with the obvious exception of Viserys "the Golden" walking in to the throne room like a goddamn Elden Ring boss.
I would rank the Season 1 pilot significantly higher than that, it's an amazing episode.
Wdym if my bestie married my dad i would still be pissed 30 years later
S2E2 and S1E8 are top5 Song of Ice and Fire tv shows. There are very few eps in the original show better than this 2.
I personally disagree with a lot of these rankings, and that's fine because that's just a difference of opinion, but what irks me about this video is how it gets into CinemaSins territory in its reasoning for ranking some very strong episodes so low...things like "Seasmoke is a free agent but Laenor's death wasn't shown on-screen," "Rhaenyra & Alicent should have made up during the time jump before this episode," "Criston Cole murders Joffrey and we never see Alicent pardon his crime," and a handful of other complaints are very nitpicky as the show chooses to not spell everything out which allows the audience to use their imaginations. I do, however, agree with some complaints such as the day-for-night filter in S1E7 (which is a valid complaint about a technical flaw in the filmmaking) and slow pacing coupled with uneventful subplots in some episodes (predominantly in season 2).
1. Driftmark was a flawless episode from start to finish, 2. lord of the tides was emotionally gripping, 3. rhaenyra the cruel had some of the best acting and cinematography I've seen in a fantasy series to date.
I feel like the finale tried to rush through too many plot points that it could have dealt with in earlier episodes
1-S1E8 (9.5)
2-S2E4 (9.4)
3-S1E7 (9.2)
4-S2E7 (9)
5-S1E3 (8.9)
6-S1E5 (8.8)
7-S1E10 (8.7)
8-S2E1 (8.6)
9-S1E6 (8.5)
10-S2E2 (8.4)
11-S1E1 (8.2)
12-S1E2 (8.1)
13-S1E4 (8)
14-S1E9 (7.8)
15-S2E6 (7.5)
16-S2E3 (7.2)
17-S2E5 (7)
18-S2E8 (6.2)
I’m extremely optimistic with season 3 given how chaotic things were behind the scenes with the writers strike and that HBO cut the season from 10 episodes down to 8. I think they should’ve either added more politics and finished the season with the shot of Rhaenyra and the dragons vs Aemond, or they should have finished the season with the Battle of the Gullet or one of the other ones they built up to
I've said this before, house of the dragon is one of the most frustrating shows I've ever watched, it has all the right peaces, all the bones of a show that could become one of my absolute favourites off all time and sometimes is brushes up agienst greatness but then there's something unbelievably stupid, logic problems or just bad writing choices that drag it down amoung other issues l, and it's like why your soo close, it's not like this show is just full force horseshit like rings of power where you just stop watching because of how bad it is, this show has glimmers of brilliance and it isn't reaching its full potential
You should do videos on the wire
A surprise to be sure, but a welcomed one 😏
S2 was great, but it had a few extremely weird/contrived scenes and the end was very antclimatic unfortunately (probably due to the two episodes veing cut). I loved Daempn hanging around in harrenhall, but I can definitely understand why people thought it went on to long haha. I also feel cutting nettles was probably the wordt plot change theyve done but still, 80-90% was really good!
No, sadly it was no near "great"... There were many out of character moments; rushed character developments, plotholes and many more problems with it...
Daemon's Harrenhal "motherfking (🤣) trip wasn't bad because it was slow, but it doesn't make any sense. Just like Rhaenyra leaving Aemond alive and Haelena being a "three-eyed ravenlike" thing.
@@Hear.myvoice dont know, for me the good parts definitely outweighted the bad - for me it was a 8-9/10 show with sudden bursts of 4/10 stuff here and there haha. But no episode is bad through and through, but yeah you might disagree which of course is okay haha
No it wasn't great. Some characters were extremly inconsistent. Some of them were doing nothing. Most of them were not interesting. There was a lot of illogical things that happened.
This season was overall mid. There were some really good scenes, but most of the scenes were mid, or bad. Some were simply terrible.
We definietly shouldn't say it was great. I'm sure there was a lot of people who claimed seasons 7 and 6 of GoT were "great", which lead the showrunners to believe they can make any shit and people will buy it, so they made season 8. Only then the audience said it was bad, but that was unfirtunatelly too late
I'm pretty sure that's a thing with females that they refuse to drop beef with their former friends. I have classmates who once had a massive friend group together but had a very literal civil war and broke into two. They still will not be friends again. It has been almost 5 years.
Females 🤓🤓🤓☝️☝️☝️
@@anonymouspie1366 💀
love your content brother
Ranking the episodes from Season 2:
1. Episode 2
2. Episode 7
3. Episode 4
4. Episode 5
5. Episode 3
6. Episode 6
7. Episode 8
8. Episode 1
THANK YOU those episodes in season 1 were really flawed and overrated, the worst episodes in season 2 might be a bit slow and boring but they didnt have much bad writing and action over logic
Thought this was a very nuanced and unbiased ranking, opened the comments to see what other people have to say only to immediately get bombarded with blind season 2 hate. To those of you that let a few questionable writing choices affect your view of the entire rest of the show: who hurt you?
Totally agree.
I reckon that it’s a remnant of got Season 7-8’s poison. People are still so obsessed with hating on it that they beat down any average-below average decision or scene in hotd.
God, I hate how just discount criticism just because they personally like the product. if they don’t like season two, nothing is wrong with them. They aren’t hurt. They just don’t like it.
@@Cheese23145, I think it's totally fine if someone doesn't like season 2. Everyone can have their own opinion. What truly annoys me personally, are the people who think that everybody who doesn't straight up hate season 2 is "coping about season 2".
its not the writers fault, its warner bross. we couldve gotten a better season if it went as planned before cutting the season to only 8 episodes
Having 10 episodes would not have made Alicent and Rhaenyra’s meetings less dumb though, and neither the sudden pacifism, Corlys being underused, etc. I do agree with you that Warner’s decision to cut the season was catastrophic. And it is worrying when we think about how next season must have a lot of crucial, very CGI carried moments, which needs the money the studio refused to give. But the many low writing points are not Warner’s fault.
Criston confirmed that alicent saved Cristons life twice, once from the headsman axe, and once from himself. So something did happen but it was rushed or just cut. This is in the season 2 finale
Well, my list would be. S2-e8>S1-e9>S2-e3>S1-e5>S2-e3>S2-e5>S1-e6>S1-e4>S2-e6>S2-e7>S1-e1> S1-e2>S2-e1>S1-e3>S1-e7>S2-e4>S1-e10>S2-e2>S1>S1-e8 Worst to best. I just dislike all the seasons with Rhaenyra and Alicent in season two and the whitewashing of both of them.
Best episode by far is season 1 episode 8, The Lord of The Tides. Viserys's death, the family dinner, Viserys and Daemon seeing each other again after all these years, seeing the kids all grown up finally, banger scene after banger scene.
Up next is season 1 episode 7, Driftmark. Aemond claiming a dragon, fighting with his cousins, the following altercation with the adults were all good. Really dumb ending tho. Rhaenyra wants the realm and the Velaryons to know she had Laenor killed? I know they want don't want to depict her as terrible as she is in the books but c'mon.
Up next is Season 1 episode 10, The Black Queen. This episode has crazy good visuals. I wish they had developed Luke a lot more before killing him off, his death fell very flat, but that's really the only issue with this episode everything else is great.
Up next is season 1 episode 6, The Princess and the Queen. Great child actors, show finally starts to pick up and settle in. I'm mixed on such a massive time jump, however. On 1 hand, i was getting really bored watching kid Rhaenyra complain, but on the other hand, we're halfway thru this season, and we're introduced to a completely new cast we know close to nothing about. Alicent is now screaming at her children that they must challenge Rhaenyra. Why would you tell a teenager to commit treason? Was she not worried he would get drunk and gossip about everything she's said? Laena and Harwin die but they weren't developed whatsoever so their deaths just fall flat.
Up next is Season 2 episode 1, A Son for a Son. Blood and Cheese i thought was shot and filmed pretty well, every scene with Daemon and Otto is good, Rhaenyra only gets 1 line, that alone easily makes this episode 1 of the best. However the death scene once again falls very flat imo. We barely know Halaena, let alone her son.
Imo these 5 episodes are really the only great ones, everything else sorta falls off a cliff.
Season 2 episode 4, The Red Dragon and the Gold was alright but that's really just because of the action and visuals. Focusing so much on Alicent and Rhaenyra has ruined the story. The 1st 5 episodes of season 1 have no rewatch value and the rest of season 2 honestly is a chore to sit thru.
I dont care. It was still peak fiction
Aegon best character. Perfect beautiful angel
Have not watched the video yet but my favourite is S2E2, hopefully we agree 😎
Edit: *We were on the verge of greatness, we were this close*
I wish they could make season 1 cut down.
First 4 is them young
Epsiode 6- Aemond gets a dragon and they keep the knife cut
Episode-7 Visery dies
Epsiode 8- Jace dies
Epsiode- 9- Blood and Cheese
Epsiode 10- Rooks rest
You could save Daemond taking Harrenhal in season 2.
The only reason why we got 8 episodes was cuz WB who owns HBO is going belly up and forced them to cut the budget so the chose to make it 8 episodes so they can focus on the battle of the gullet next season.
This type of video is exactly what I come to your channel for 😊
whats the background music?
Is season 2 episode 4 only great because of the last 15 minutes dragon battle?
Guaranteed at least 50 innocent people died when Rhaenys busted through the temple on her dragon, having her stop from frying Alicent was nonsense. Then again, there have been multiple moments where Alicent should've been killed or captured but just isn't.
Let’s all pray to whatever god is there for the writers to remember this is a civil war story, something quickly and brutal (in the books they are “adapting” everything happened in two years), not this “I don’t want war” bull they pulled on us
The same people who are trying to convince themselves that season 2 wasn’t “that bad” or actually even “good” are the same people that liked season 7-8 of GOT
People claiming that season 2 was utterly trash are as stupid as season 7-8 likers. Y'all just spoilt kids not appreciating the good things that happened, even if many things were flawed.
@@freezerkp619Spoiled because we have honor that you lack? They robbed us of two episodes because some Zaslav said so and we waited two years for some dumb scenes written by Sara hess who has no idea what the story is about. You people have no honor, they make money thanks to us so we demad the quality of 1-4 seasons of GOT, you people will never stand up no matter what they do.
@@agpoland3632completely agree with you. Given the astronomical amounts of money that get given to the main cast/writers/management level - some even earning more in a year than some people can earn in their lifetimes - why should we, as the social class often seen by Hollywood people as being "beneath them", not have the right to expect better for the entertainment that we pay for?
S01E09 and S02E08 are both worse than S01E05, S02E05, and S02E03
I agree with you though i can also see his reasoning
No matter how bad House of The Dragon Season 2 is, just reminder that at least it's better than Rings of Power series in general
Good sir I most definitely believe she held a grudge for three years women can really hold grudges.
1x4 is the worst for me by far, its boring, makes Daemon look like an idiot and a straight up weirdo, has the 3rd most uncomfortable sex scene to watch in this franchise after Sansa and Arya, Alicent acting really weird about the things Rhaenyra does. Also anyone who can think that Rhaenyra is a good person who deserves to be queen is baffling to me. She would be just as bad as Aegon just for different reason. Also no one can tell me she is a better written character than him, compare their scenes this season and it isn't even close.
B-but the white hart came to her therefore she's the princess that was promised and stuff!!
Daemon idiot ?
In season 1 ep 4??
No i think you don t know what Daemon wanted
He wants to have Rhaenyra for the throne that wans his plan to take her virginity and Viserys to be forced to marry her with Daemon
What choice would the Green council have but let Harold Westerling go? Even then, he could have cut through the rest of them like carving a cake. 😊
Diehard season 2 haters can't fathom the idea that the bottom 8 episodes aren't the entirety of that season
@@aidenlehman99 IMDb is not a serios platform anymore to evaluate episodes. Just emotions or stupidity.
@@aidenlehman99ah yes the place where an episode that is overall good gets a 6 rating because 2 women kiss yeah sure
@@aidenlehman99also the place that has Battle of the Bastards, Winds of Winter, Hardhome and Spoils of war with a higher rating than Watchers on the Wall, Blackwater, Fire and Blood, Baelor, Kissed by Fire, You win or you die...
@@74ss43 IMDb isn’t perfect but it’s a pretty accurate reflection of a show or movies quality. The episode where they kiss each other shouldn’t be thaaat low but it’s a horrible episode none the less and the fact that the kiss was improvised makes it 10 times worse and explains why there is nothing leading up to that point that indicates Rhanyera even liking girls much less Messandei. Absolutely inexcusable terrible writing. Don’t know why y’all are defending it so hard.
Diehard season 2 lovers can't fathom the idea that you don't need to let "haters' live rent free in your head
I am sure that you will warm up to the season 2 finale with time as well. I have.
s1e5 as the last one is just a joke. Man have you watched s2-5-8? holy fuck
i wonder how much budget issues impacted their storyline decisions
Wonder no more; Bigly!
Daemon did not order her child killed. He ordered her brother killed.
S01 doesnt have any bad episodes, even ep05 or ep06 [never knew ep05 was considered but anyway]
S02 after ep04, its downhill
Finally, someone giving Rheanyra the Cruel the respect it deserves.
Where is your comparison to book material? Surely that has to affect your evaluation.
He's evaluating House of the Dragon as a standalone show, not as an adaptation.
i think season 2 is almost as good as season 1 it just needed 2 more episodes to finish it example: episode 9 the battle of the gullet episode 10: fall of kingslanding
? you think they would resolve having a best friend marry their father in 3 years? hahah
Nah 1x3 is wayyyyyyyy better than 2x6, and so is 2x3 and 2x5
You've pointed out so many narrative weaknesses of S1 that I willfully ignored them the first time. Only a few good scenes and character developments make up for what is an otherwise mediocre show writing-wise.
I initially forgave the time skip element of S1 because I considered it necessary as a set-up season and to fast-track the story to where it was supposed to truly start. But I've now realized that starting the story from younger Rhyneara's time was a mistake. If the story started from the later half of the season, we could have actually gotten a more streamlined story where we have the time to properly flesh out not only the main characters but the side characters as well. We could have had more compelling character unravelling, interactions and dialogue. The way it is now, we've ended 2 seasons with many of the main players barely having said 2 lines of dialogue to each other (Especially the majority of the black council. We barely know those lords.) Season 2 completely wasted its run time and underutilized many characters (corlys, jace, rheana, etc) If the first season started within the red keep with an already tense environment with the narrative focused on unravelling the various character motivations and allegiances, we could have gotten a far superior show and S2 wouldn't have to bear the burden of simply being another build-up season. (and we wouldn't have seen such egregious writing mistakes trying to forcibly focus the story into a certain direction)
And they missed out on exploring Rheanyras more dark and cunning side. From the very beginning we could have focused on how both adult Alicent and Rheanyra navigate and manipulate Kings Landing politics to get what they want and slowly establish that no one is justified here. They would have been more interesting and dynamic characters and would have given us more moments of conflict. And although I appreciated the initial episodes of the first season giving more depth to their relationship by exploring their friendship, it wasn't entirely necessary. King Viserys could still be delivered as an interesting character without starting from when he was healthy. And characters discussing or alluding back to the happenings of what became Ep1-5 of S1 rather than actually filming those scenes would have been better as it could be similar to Game of Thrones where the dialogue was meatier bc the character constantly referred to events that piqued our interest.
The writers basically took major missteps at the very start of the show and its only become more abundantly clear now with S2 being worse.
Sorry no
@@romainchambard4399 it's like starting Game of Thrones with Robert's Rebellion and the aftermath, instead of where the show actually starts. We didn't need an entire season of 'flash-back' to understand character ties, motivations, etc. Audiences aren't stupid if they pay attention. What op proposes give more time to develop characters more.
@@SererityisanEcho except that the audience loved that prologue and the young actresses and viserys . It was really good and guess what, the book aswell as this pages of prologue.
@@romainchambard4399 I also enjoyed the first season, much more than season 2. And I know that the prologue is in the book. But the book is written more like historical fantasy, so it kind of works with the prologue. But I think the time skips in season 1 were the worst part, and simply skipping ahead to after the last time skip would be best.
it only proves hotd is nothing in comparison to season 1 got
26:44 100% agree
Season 2 episode 4 is number 1. That's a no brainer. Just throw all rest rest in any order. Seriously
Yeah, thats someone who would say that only cares for actions. You probably liked season 7-8, eh
@@freezerkp619 yes I did because that's what people PAY to see. The dragons grew up and burned stuff up in seasons 7&8. YAY!!!!!! You need to stick with the lifetime channel or go sit in the library. I graduated from college a long time ago and now I PAY for HBO. How can you watch a show about dragons and witches and knights and etc..... and not want to see them in action? Did the Lord of the rings have action or was it just the enthralling dialogue that made it so much money???
@@freezerkp619it's "woke" people like you that have ruined the television and film industry. I bet you watched the show for the incest and gay scenes. They were probably the most intriguing moments for you
Objectively s1e7-8 were way better just like s2e2... The writing was horrible in 2x4 even if we at least got some action.
It's bad, it's just sad, and bad. the sudden time jumps, the missing scenes, unexplained motivations, off screen action, counterintuitive decisions, poorly thought out plots, I mean I really hate to say this, but all of it is just very, veeery bad.