Thank you so much for making videos about my countrys history. It is so difficult to find sources in English, so I am really impressed with your research!
Also Lithuanians still feel a bit bitter about the annexation of Lithuanian capital Vilnius during the between-war period. We consider it as a backstabbing from our closest alias. Pols know that and sort of try to make it up for us by helping and supporting us with their equipment, also by supporting our position during any European Union or NATO negotiations.
Sorry if my comment might come across as ignorant due to the fact that I am not Luthanian but since I had the privilege to visit the Baltic countries and Eastern-Europe in the past, one thing in particular made me wonder, though. Let me explain: When I was visiting Vilnius a couple of years ago the city has always had kind of a "Polish" vibe. In other words: The style reminded me of many cities you'd typicially find in Poland today.... or, say, Cracow, Lublin and especially Lviv (formerly Polish city in todays western Ukraine). After watching this very informative and well made video I went to do some research and from what I understand (wikipedia is helpful in this regard) is that at that time (before WW2) Vilnius was, in fact, inhabited by a majority Polish population (especially Polish elites), wasn't it? Additionally, according to unesco word heritage homepage Poles built a lot there... I mean, to me it seems Vilnius used to be just as much a Polish city as Danzig was German. Anyway: it's very inteesting to dive into historical topics dealing with border issues etc., however, people need to keep in mind that things (cities, borders, demographics) change with time. Greetings from Germany to Lithuania! Love y'all.
@@rainerwhine8871 Hi Rainer. From what I understand, although I am Lithuanian but really no expert in (even in our own) history, during the Commonwealth period Vilnius became greatly polonised in terms of language and culture due to Christianity taken over from Poland along with literacy, education, science, etc. A lot of habitats of Vilnius spoke and wrote in Polish they would still consider themselves either Lithuanian or Jewish, despite not speaking the language (Adam Mickiewicz is a perfect example of that). Other regions of Lithuanian had preserved much higher level of Lithuanian culture, including language.
@@baktom Appreciate your answer. Regarding the "Language =/= Ethnicity" thingy: That's a very good point actually. Prussia would be another good example, I think (as her culture and language was German but the population and nobility of mixed descent). However, as I have read on wikipedia, several demographic "surveys" were conducted in Vilnius during that time period.... mainly in order to determine the demographic composition of the city.. Well, the German and Polish censuses were always in favor of the Poles (according to their data Lithuanians lived mainly outside the city). Here is the only "neutral" data I could find on this matter (collected by Lithuanians): "Lithuanians troops who entered Vilnius in 1939 had to resort to French and German to communicate with the city's inhabitants. According to the official Lithuanian count from 1939, only 6% of Vilnius residents were Lithuanian." source: Wikipedia Edit: This is taken from the wikipedia article about the so called "population exchange" as the Soviets called it (basically the deportation of Poles from Lithuania): "The Lithuanian communist party was dominated by a nationalist faction which supported the removal of the Polish intelligentsia, particularly from the highly contested Vilnius region. The city of Vilnius was considered a historical capital of Lithuania; however, in the early 20th century its population was around 40% Polish, 30% Jewish and 20% Russian and Belarusian, with only about 2-3% self-declared Lithuanians.The government considered the rural Polish population important to the agricultural economy, and believed those people would be relatively amenable to assimilation policies (Lithuanization). But the government encouraged expulsion of Poles from Vilnius, and facilitated it. The result was a rapid depolonization and Lithuanization of the city (80% of the Polish population was removed)." But that's beside the point. It's history anyway. Have a great day!
@@rainerwhine8871 you may have a point about a time in history. Some of the Polands were still trying to name street names in Polish (in the last decade) which was against Lithuanians. As I have born in Lithuania and learnt the history it feels like Polands have used the opportunity to overrule the Lithuanians. It's not an uncommon situation that every nation takes pride in their own history, but Lithuanians have withstood more than a thousand of years. We made an unbalanced union with Poland, we were occupied by Germany, and Russia even tried to erase our language (which at the time was taught in house by parents, from books that was brought in house against the law). Lithuanians have made bad decisions but we have never lost our culture or religion. In today's world Vilnius is a multicultural city, even us Lithuanians know that Vilnius has it's own vibe but nevertheless Lithuanians have never left.
You are getting better on your presentation. As saying goes, "Practice makes perfect". Well done and looking forward to learn more about this part of the Baltic world.
We have a Vytautus aid society in Grand Rapids. Michigan..the polish live south of Leonard..of which I'm both. great series.....do you have a series on the hill forts? Happy new year to most...per per musksosucks still self serfs..the old one loves Russian hamburger
@@juliatube2007 I don't know anyone who thinks like that, I know there are extremist on boths sides that keep fighting in the comment section. In my opinion its a small minority. I have family connections with Poland and Ukraine and I was born in north of Lithuania. Genetically I am the commonwealth lol I claim all of it hehe
Great video. Loving it so far. Currently watching. I think the music could be lower. When following the narrative it distracts if it's too loud. It should be like a dash of salt on the narrative.
Long story short: nobility of both nations basically killed the union. Poland always wanted to be the older brother and Lithuania never needed one, just wanted to be equal in the union. Poland never understood why Lithuania doesn’t want to be polish. The marriage was made definitely not in heaven.
A Litwą nigdy go nie potrzebowała .Ciekawe bez pomocy Polski to byś nie wiedział ze jesteś Litwinem .Po pierwsze sami z krzyzakami byście nie wygrali( przepraszam a może ty jesteś wyznawca ze bitwę pod Grunwaldem to tylko Litwini wygrali Polaków tam nie było) .Jeszcze jedno co wiesz o wojnie 13 letniej z krzyzakami po Grunwaldzie tego na Litwie nie uczą tak mówiąc szczerze to się nie dziwie bo dobrze nie wypadanie .Po 2 to korona wam tez nie była potrzebna za Iwana Groźnego człowieku żeby nie Batory toby was nie było Iwan trzepał was na lewo i prawo a najciekawsze jest to ze Batorego Litwą na króla nie chciała tylko jak wygrał dwie bitwy i wjechał z armia swoją i Polska na Litwę to dopiero magnaci Litewscy go pokochali i trochę utraconych przed Litwę ziem Litewskich odrzyskal.itd.itd.
@@mariamickiewicz7038why don't they teach that it was not Poland that marched alone to Moscow with the LDK,alone no win Moscow,wher ai see ewriting doing alone Poland and win LDK no help
There are no equals in relationships between nations. It is always the case that the stronger country has more to say. This applies to poland too in its relationship with germany within the eu for example.
If you didn't need it there would be no union. The Teutons would have taken you out by the head and Prussify your butts, Muscovy would have claimed Ruthenia, and you wouldn't be here whining about how bad things were because Poland. No credible historian claims Poland or Lithuania would have amounted to anything separately so stop hating us and almost half a millennium of your history.
I find all these interesting ,. My great granny was from Lithuania . My DNA 17% Baltics , South Lithuania , 6% Eastern Europe & Russia , 1% Jewish . Nan came to the UK as a baby . On the UK census, Great grandad is shown as from Mariampole & granny and nan Vilkavlskis Poland ? birth dates 1890/1 and 1912 . Granny was Catholic and i hope to one day find what convent was near by that family sent parcels too . Bagurski , Rouski surnames .
@@BalticWorld When I studied law, I had several lectures on the History of Lithuanian Law. I was shocked that at that time Lithuanian law was the most democratic in the world at that time, and the law regulated not only the rights of the duke, the nobility, but also the rights of serfs and women. The lecturer who taught this branch of history said that scientists from all over the world are going to study the history of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania because of its modernity and democracy and liberalism. The Duke of Moscow copied our law only 100 years later and adapted it for himself.
As idealized it may be, union with Poland is unlikely to happen in future. Because there are mayor fault lines, wich was also one of the reasons for dissolution of Rzeczpospolita. Baltic union is more likely, cause there are even more common ethnic, historic, genetic, cultural, political, religious ... affinities between them. As Latvian historian I can say that Polish-Lithuanain rule in modern day Vidzeme and Latgale regions of Latvia in 16th-18th centuries was one of the worst periods, in recorded history, of our country. Especially this is the case for Latgale region.
The great states of these times have greatly underestimated the history of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, because, as one of the historians has said, "Stories are written by great states undermining the stories of other nations or former states." And it's true.
I am not a historian but I read a lot about Eastern-European history in the internet because it is a region which has always fascinated me. "As Latvian historian I can say that Polish-Lithuanain rule in modern day Vidzeme and Latgale regions of Latvia in 15-16th centuries was one of the worst periods in recorded history of our country." Most (at least credible) historians disagree with this analysis. But I'd love to hear your version :)
Baltic union will not give baltic states the manpower nor the stratigic depth to fend off russian invasion. In other words what can be ppssibly the reasin for all baltic states to join together. How would it benefit anybody?
@@rainerwhine8871 Yes, sorry it was 16th century onwards. I made the mistake in that part, maybe I was sleep deprived.😅 After Livonian state was added to "monstrosity" known as PLC, the life of locals didn't improve, but worsened. Many wars in region and many other various problems didn't make life easier. Especially for inhabitants of modern day Latgale region in 17th and 18th centuries,. It was the time when local culture and local Latgalian peoples where systemically oppresed, polonized and russified, deported. It's also the period when locals was also replaced by Russians.
1) Jadwiga was crowned king (YES!) not queen, so until her death Jogaila was merely a co-ruler. 2) Before Union of Lublin king of Poland was not the same as Grand Duke of Lithuania, that was true only to last 2 Jagiellons (Sigismund The Old and Sigismund Augustus or as you called him - Sigismund II) mainly because...they had no spare brothers. 3) Union of Lublin was a union between states, not nations (there was no Polish nation at this time yet and for sure there was no Lithuanian nation considering the fact that Lithuanian population was overwhelmingly ... Ruthenian) 4) Southern palatinates had joined Kingdom of Poland not because of the will of the king but because Ruthenian nobility asked for this (being excluded form Polish political system by Union of Horodlo) 5) Actually a big number of Ruthenian nobles defected to Muscovy during its wars with Grand Duchy, despite your claims 6) Lithuanian currency, even if nominally separate, was hard-linked with polish one 7) Grand Duchy was using cyrillic because Lithuanian was not a written language at that time so whole politics and state affairs needed to be run in Ruthenian 8) The Comonwealth was indeed saved from religious massacres of 30 years war but instead Khmielnitski Uprising was the bigest genocide of Jewish population worldwide before Holocaust 9) Generally, ethnic Lithuanians were absurdly over-represented on all levels of The Commonweath governance (at the costy of Ruthenians for instance). At its peak in first half of XVII c. population of The Commonwealth reached some 11 million people, with ethnic Lithuanians consisting some 700.000 of them (interestingly - almost same number as Jews)
In my opinion, it was a mistake to make a union with Poland and an even bigger mistake was that our king adopted baptism, which by the way lasted even 100 years. At that time, there were very many massacres for baptism, and ordinary people did not want Catholicism which brought both deaths and suffering to various nations. The Gentiles were very humble to other faiths and had no problems with non-believers until they accepted baptism. And as we all know in those days, Catholicism did not recognize other faiths and called them atheists, erring. Lithuania has never been and will not be a Catholic country, although many are trying to come to terms with it, the pagan faith lives in the heart of a true Lithuanian, although it is not publicly displayed. Most Lithuanians are proud that their roots are pagan and that they fought against Catholic Crusaders and that we were the last Gentiles in Europe. Manifestations of pagan faith are already alive and well. Catholicism has destroyed not only our Great Country but also many human destinies. While we were Gentiles we were strong and respected, and Catholicism destroyed all the unwritten rules of our nation. And no pope has apologized to our nation for the massacres and crusades they organized. Is it faith that is based on death due to the introduction of faith? If I were allowed, I would crucify all the priests to suffer as our nation suffered. And that would be right. Because Catholicism has brought us nothing but suffering and the loss of our state.
Granted it is Lithuanian tradition to put an axe into a priests head. I do agree with you except for the last part, by sinking down to that level it makes you no better than the oppressor.
@@DidaMinecraft That’s what you disagree with. That priests and popes need forgiveness, forgiveness may come after their apology, if possible. Catholicism is politics and has nothing to do with my faith.
@@DidaMinecraft I said this about the crucifixion of priests in a figurative sense, but that would be true, because it was Catholicism that destroyed people's true faiths. The worship of the pope and the cult of personality, the appointment of a saint, is simply disgusting.
Lithuanian-Poland war is quite close to remember but far enough to forgive. For example my grand-grandfather was fighting to regain Vilnius.
Thank you so much for making videos about my countrys history. It is so difficult to find sources in English, so I am really impressed with your research!
Thank you for watching Sarunas! It was a fun one to make.
Also Lithuanians still feel a bit bitter about the annexation of Lithuanian capital Vilnius during the between-war period. We consider it as a backstabbing from our closest alias.
Pols know that and sort of try to make it up for us by helping and supporting us with their equipment, also by supporting our position during any European Union or NATO negotiations.
Helping us good joke good joke
Sorry if my comment might come across as ignorant due to the fact that I am not Luthanian but since I had the privilege to visit the Baltic countries and Eastern-Europe in the past, one thing in particular made me wonder, though.
Let me explain: When I was visiting Vilnius a couple of years ago the city has always had kind of a "Polish" vibe. In other words: The style reminded me of many cities you'd typicially find in Poland today.... or, say, Cracow, Lublin and especially Lviv (formerly Polish city in todays western Ukraine). After watching this very informative and well made video I went to do some research and from what I understand (wikipedia is helpful in this regard) is that at that time (before WW2) Vilnius was, in fact, inhabited by a majority Polish population (especially Polish elites), wasn't it? Additionally, according to unesco word heritage homepage Poles built a lot there...
I mean, to me it seems Vilnius used to be just as much a Polish city as Danzig was German. Anyway: it's very inteesting to dive into historical topics dealing with border issues etc., however, people need to keep in mind that things (cities, borders, demographics) change with time.
Greetings from Germany to Lithuania! Love y'all.
@@rainerwhine8871
Hi Rainer. From what I understand, although I am Lithuanian but really no expert in (even in our own) history, during the Commonwealth period Vilnius became greatly polonised in terms of language and culture due to Christianity taken over from Poland along with literacy, education, science, etc. A lot of habitats of Vilnius spoke and wrote in Polish they would still consider themselves either Lithuanian or Jewish, despite not speaking the language (Adam Mickiewicz is a perfect example of that). Other regions of Lithuanian had preserved much higher level of Lithuanian culture, including language.
@@baktom Appreciate your answer. Regarding the "Language =/= Ethnicity" thingy: That's a very good point actually. Prussia would be another good example, I think (as her culture and language was German but the population and nobility of mixed descent).
However, as I have read on wikipedia, several demographic "surveys" were conducted in Vilnius during that time period.... mainly in order to determine the demographic composition of the city.. Well, the German and Polish censuses were always in favor of the Poles (according to their data Lithuanians lived mainly outside the city).
Here is the only "neutral" data I could find on this matter (collected by Lithuanians):
"Lithuanians troops who entered Vilnius in 1939 had to resort to French and German to communicate with the city's inhabitants. According to the official Lithuanian count from 1939, only 6% of Vilnius residents were Lithuanian."
source: Wikipedia
Edit: This is taken from the wikipedia article about the so called "population exchange" as the Soviets called it (basically the deportation of Poles from Lithuania):
"The Lithuanian communist party was dominated by a nationalist faction which supported the removal of the Polish intelligentsia, particularly from the highly contested Vilnius region. The city of Vilnius was considered a historical capital of Lithuania; however, in the early 20th century its population was around 40% Polish, 30% Jewish and 20% Russian and Belarusian, with only about 2-3% self-declared Lithuanians.The government considered the rural Polish population important to the agricultural economy, and believed those people would be relatively amenable to assimilation policies (Lithuanization).
But the government encouraged expulsion of Poles from Vilnius, and facilitated it. The result was a rapid depolonization and Lithuanization of the city (80% of the Polish population was removed)."
But that's beside the point. It's history anyway. Have a great day!
@@rainerwhine8871 you may have a point about a time in history. Some of the Polands were still trying to name street names in Polish (in the last decade) which was against Lithuanians.
As I have born in Lithuania and learnt the history it feels like Polands have used the opportunity to overrule the Lithuanians. It's not an uncommon situation that every nation takes pride in their own history, but Lithuanians have withstood more than a thousand of years.
We made an unbalanced union with Poland, we were occupied by Germany, and Russia even tried to erase our language (which at the time was taught in house by parents, from books that was brought in house against the law).
Lithuanians have made bad decisions but we have never lost our culture or religion. In today's world Vilnius is a multicultural city, even us Lithuanians know that Vilnius has it's own vibe but nevertheless Lithuanians have never left.
Wish this channel success!
Thank you Mantas!
You are getting better on your presentation. As saying goes, "Practice makes perfect". Well done and looking forward to learn more about this part of the Baltic world.
We have a Vytautus aid society in Grand Rapids. Michigan..the polish live south of Leonard..of which I'm both. great series.....do you have a series on the hill forts? Happy new year to most...per per musksosucks still self serfs..the old one loves Russian hamburger
Nice ending. I love my Polish Brothers. It was fucking glorious my friend.
Yeah. And we love you too.
Why are other Lithuanians so negative and choose to end their history with Vytautas? They don't like it because they shared it with us?
@@juliatube2007 I don't know anyone who thinks like that, I know there are extremist on boths sides that keep fighting in the comment section. In my opinion its a small minority. I have family connections with Poland and Ukraine and I was born in north of Lithuania. Genetically I am the commonwealth lol I claim all of it hehe
Great video. Loving it so far. Currently watching. I think the music could be lower. When following the narrative it distracts if it's too loud. It should be like a dash of salt on the narrative.
Yeah music is hard to nail!
@@BalticWorld Your presentation is excellent and easy to comprehend: the music has no reason to be there. It’s odd. Thank you for your good work.
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Can’t wait for part 4 🙌🏻🙌🏻
Thought provoking. Thank you.
Good presentation.
I am from Lithuania my cousins are polish couldn't get any closer than that
When is Part 4?
Hopefully this month!
Part 4 is out now. Is it worth the wait? Yes, definitely.
Long story short: nobility of both nations basically killed the union. Poland always wanted to be the older brother and Lithuania never needed one, just wanted to be equal in the union. Poland never understood why Lithuania doesn’t want to be polish. The marriage was made definitely not in heaven.
A Litwą nigdy go nie potrzebowała .Ciekawe bez pomocy Polski to byś nie wiedział ze jesteś Litwinem .Po pierwsze sami z krzyzakami byście nie wygrali( przepraszam a może ty jesteś wyznawca ze bitwę pod Grunwaldem to tylko Litwini wygrali Polaków tam nie było) .Jeszcze jedno co wiesz o wojnie 13 letniej z krzyzakami po Grunwaldzie tego na Litwie nie uczą tak mówiąc szczerze to się nie dziwie bo dobrze nie wypadanie .Po 2 to korona wam tez nie była potrzebna za Iwana Groźnego człowieku żeby nie Batory toby was nie było Iwan trzepał was na lewo i prawo a najciekawsze jest to ze Batorego Litwą na króla nie chciała tylko jak wygrał dwie bitwy i wjechał z armia swoją i Polska na Litwę to dopiero magnaci Litewscy go pokochali i trochę utraconych przed Litwę ziem Litewskich odrzyskal.itd.itd.
@@mariamickiewicz7038why don't they teach that it was not Poland that marched alone to Moscow with the LDK,alone no win Moscow,wher ai see ewriting doing alone Poland and win LDK no help
There are no equals in relationships between nations. It is always the case that the stronger country has more to say. This applies to poland too in its relationship with germany within the eu for example.
If you didn't need it there would be no union. The Teutons would have taken you out by the head and Prussify your butts, Muscovy would have claimed Ruthenia, and you wouldn't be here whining about how bad things were because Poland. No credible historian claims Poland or Lithuania would have amounted to anything separately so stop hating us and almost half a millennium of your history.
I find all these interesting ,. My great granny was from Lithuania . My DNA 17% Baltics , South Lithuania , 6% Eastern Europe & Russia , 1% Jewish . Nan came to the UK as a baby . On the UK census, Great grandad is shown as from Mariampole & granny and nan Vilkavlskis Poland ? birth dates 1890/1 and 1912 . Granny was Catholic and i hope to one day find what convent was near by that family sent parcels too . Bagurski , Rouski surnames .
what would you say to that commowealth as a prototype to current EU. btw LT law of that time made womans right equal to mans.
A really interesting thought Vytautas! I hadn't considered. I'll have a think and maybe do a compare & contrast in future!
@@BalticWorld When I studied law, I had several lectures on the History of Lithuanian Law. I was shocked that at that time Lithuanian law was the most democratic in the world at that time, and the law regulated not only the rights of the duke, the nobility, but also the rights of serfs and women. The lecturer who taught this branch of history said that scientists from all over the world are going to study the history of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania because of its modernity and democracy and liberalism. The Duke of Moscow copied our law only 100 years later and adapted it for himself.
@@BalticWorld I asked this question to ChatGPT, and answer was very well arguemented
this time period is also known as the "time Lithuania went to sleep"
According to 19th/20th century peasants with grievances. And nobody else, before or since.
As idealized it may be, union with Poland is unlikely to happen in future. Because there are mayor fault lines, wich was also one of the reasons for dissolution of Rzeczpospolita. Baltic union is more likely, cause there are even more common ethnic, historic, genetic, cultural, political, religious ... affinities between them. As Latvian historian I can say that Polish-Lithuanain rule in modern day Vidzeme and Latgale regions of Latvia in 16th-18th centuries was one of the worst periods, in recorded history, of our country. Especially this is the case for Latgale region.
The great states of these times have greatly underestimated the history of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, because, as one of the historians has said, "Stories are written by great states undermining the stories of other nations or former states." And it's true.
I am not a historian but I read a lot about Eastern-European history in the internet because it is a region which has always fascinated me.
"As Latvian historian I can say that Polish-Lithuanain rule in modern day Vidzeme and Latgale regions of Latvia in 15-16th centuries was one of the worst periods in recorded history of our country."
Most (at least credible) historians disagree with this analysis. But I'd love to hear your version :)
Baltic union will not give baltic states the manpower nor the stratigic depth to fend off russian invasion. In other words what can be ppssibly the reasin for all baltic states to join together. How would it benefit anybody?
@@rainerwhine8871 Yes, sorry it was 16th century onwards. I made the mistake in that part, maybe I was sleep deprived.😅
After Livonian state was added to "monstrosity" known as PLC, the life of locals didn't improve, but worsened. Many wars in region and many other various problems didn't make life easier. Especially for inhabitants of modern day Latgale region in 17th and 18th centuries,. It was the time when local culture and local Latgalian peoples where systemically oppresed, polonized and russified, deported. It's also the period when locals was also replaced by Russians.
1) Jadwiga was crowned king (YES!) not queen, so until her death Jogaila was merely a co-ruler. 2) Before Union of Lublin king of Poland was not the same as Grand Duke of Lithuania, that was true only to last 2 Jagiellons (Sigismund The Old and Sigismund Augustus or as you called him - Sigismund II) mainly because...they had no spare brothers. 3) Union of Lublin was a union between states, not nations (there was no Polish nation at this time yet and for sure there was no Lithuanian nation considering the fact that Lithuanian population was overwhelmingly ... Ruthenian) 4) Southern palatinates had joined Kingdom of Poland not because of the will of the king but because Ruthenian nobility asked for this (being excluded form Polish political system by Union of Horodlo) 5) Actually a big number of Ruthenian nobles defected to Muscovy during its wars with Grand Duchy, despite your claims 6) Lithuanian currency, even if nominally separate, was hard-linked with polish one 7) Grand Duchy was using cyrillic because Lithuanian was not a written language at that time so whole politics and state affairs needed to be run in Ruthenian 8) The Comonwealth was indeed saved from religious massacres of 30 years war but instead Khmielnitski Uprising was the bigest genocide of Jewish population worldwide before Holocaust 9) Generally, ethnic Lithuanians were absurdly over-represented on all levels of The Commonweath governance (at the costy of Ruthenians for instance). At its peak in first half of XVII c. population of The Commonwealth reached some 11 million people, with ethnic Lithuanians consisting some 700.000 of them (interestingly - almost same number as Jews)
In my opinion, it was a mistake to make a union with Poland and an even bigger mistake was that our king adopted baptism, which by the way lasted even 100 years. At that time, there were very many massacres for baptism, and ordinary people did not want Catholicism which brought both deaths and suffering to various nations. The Gentiles were very humble to other faiths and had no problems with non-believers until they accepted baptism. And as we all know in those days, Catholicism did not recognize other faiths and called them atheists, erring. Lithuania has never been and will not be a Catholic country, although many are trying to come to terms with it, the pagan faith lives in the heart of a true Lithuanian, although it is not publicly displayed. Most Lithuanians are proud that their roots are pagan and that they fought against Catholic Crusaders and that we were the last Gentiles in Europe. Manifestations of pagan faith are already alive and well. Catholicism has destroyed not only our Great Country but also many human destinies. While we were Gentiles we were strong and respected, and Catholicism destroyed all the unwritten rules of our nation. And no pope has apologized to our nation for the massacres and crusades they organized. Is it faith that is based on death due to the introduction of faith? If I were allowed, I would crucify all the priests to suffer as our nation suffered. And that would be right. Because Catholicism has brought us nothing but suffering and the loss of our state.
Granted it is Lithuanian tradition to put an axe into a priests head. I do agree with you except for the last part, by sinking down to that level it makes you no better than the oppressor.
@@DidaMinecraft That’s what you disagree with. That priests and popes need forgiveness, forgiveness may come after their apology, if possible. Catholicism is politics and has nothing to do with my faith.
@@rienal9607 oh no I completely agree with the apology, it's the crucifixion part that has me worried
@@DidaMinecraft I said this about the crucifixion of priests in a figurative sense, but that would be true, because it was Catholicism that destroyed people's true faiths. The worship of the pope and the cult of personality, the appointment of a saint, is simply disgusting.
@@rienal9607 agreed, as long as you're not turning into the same monster you're trying to fight