S2000 AP2 VS Civic Type R FK8! Time Attack Shootout!
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- With a pair of borrowed front tires and extremely raised front suspensions, I found myself battling against my good friend Brian from BaoHouse Racing and his spanking new Civic Type R FK8 for the Group N class win at Hondameet VTEC Club. It's Turbo VS NA. FWD VS RWD. The young VS the experienced. Absolutely down to the wire fight! Check out BaoHouse Racing here: / baohousetuning
Special thanks to Scott Hollingsworth for being so kind and lending me the pair of Falkens, the Peeps at TTR for rescuing when I ran outta gas and Brian/BaoHouse crew for being such a good sport and helping me out as ever!
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Music used in intro: Horizon feat. Erin Renee - Moog
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About Me:
Jackie Ding - 19 yrs.old Chinese race car driver, UMich Ann Arbor, AE86/S2000, 2016 F4 US Championship #86 Driver for Group-A Racing!
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I've had my S2000 for 10 years now. Since then I've bought an STi, a Gen V Viper GTS, and recently a 2017 Corvette Z06/07. I can say that I still love my S2000. I installed Skunk2 headers, an Invidia TP, and recently an Apexi catback to quiet it down, along with a Clutchmasters heavy duty clutch. Last week some 18" O.Z. wheels were added along with some Pirelli PZero tires. It's a joy to drive. The fueling is smoother than any of my other cars. Honda nailed it with the S2000.
Lee Douglas +1 for having an s2000 and viper
Former s2k owner thinking of jumping to the grand sport Corvette. What's your thoughts?
I know what you mean I've owned all the fan boy cars. 2 BNR32s, a BNR34, single JZA80, Evo VII, 2 JZS161s and the list goes on and my favorite two cars out of the bunch that I've owned the DC2 ITR and S2000. It's not the fastest thing in the world but its hella fun more so than anything else.
For a car that was developed in the 90s and first released in the 2000s I'm proud to own an s2000 my self
S2000 never get old, fantastic car
s2000 is a legend and its dashboard inspired by Senna's McLaren Honda is tells everything about this car. respect to everyone owns it!
As much as I love some of the JDM "big boys" like the GT-R and the Supra, I've got a very big soft-spot for the S2K.
Honda should really start making RWD sports cars again and use the K20C1 in it.
Thumbs up if you know where LONELY DRIVERS is from
Car control was insane, dude, incredible work. See you at Gridlife South?
Hell yeah, see you there!
Type R is a force to be reckoned with on the track (coming from an RS owner/track junkie). That being said, I'd take a S2000 over it everyday. Modern day classic. Why oh why have you lost your soul, Honda? Give us a new S2K!
Nice driving! Good to see you still have the car under control at the limits.
Awesome seeing how the S stacks up on a track against the fk8, was hoping to see a vid like this soon. You drive very well!!
+one world Thanks :) Had to push 100.1% to keep with him!
Jackie Ding you think if you had a supercharger...
+one world ...I'd leave it off the car lol. I'm a diehard NA Fighter, but yes, a supercharger would make this car very, very formidable!
you dont boost cuz you cant handle it lmfao! come play with the big boys.
Darkspen No he doesn't boost because an NA s2K is NA for a reason, bet you can't even drive.
Cool vid! I love my AP1 (02). Newer cars tempt me but it is so hard to beat for so many reasons... Keep posting!
Great driving man. That S2k did great. Dam the sound of that motor is sweet music to my ears...🍻
That S car is downright scary out of corners. Really need more sneaker. Good saves on scary car.
good driving man. I enjoy your videos. keep them coming!
This just shows that the type r is a true circuit king & the s2k is a legend ..
Wow...talk about some 11/10th's driving! You even barely nudged that cone in the runoff. Well done, very good to watch.
Goosebumps! Loved your driving!
Thanks :) more on the way!
Going from Supra videos to S2000 videos to AE86 videos is so cool. Such a world of difference in each of the cars!
Nice driving..watched the whole vid couldn't shut it off!!
I'm so happy to see this video. I'm sure everyone was wondering how hondas bests stack up. Great driving man, just wish your rear tires we're able to keep up with you!
Thanks a ton!
Good for you brother... You really hammered the S2000.. great driving!!
This was very exciting to watch!
Short wheel base.. makes the S2K oversteer happy, and lots of owners of them don't know this and lose control. Auctions are filled with S2Ks wrecked in the rear. Next, the Type-R has torque, so it can scoot out of the corners faster. But, I think the S2K remains heads and shoulders above the Type-R in pure driving thrill.
Amazing race, love my S2K
Good driving! Thanks for the fun video
pushing hard brotha! enjoyed the driving, very well done, and fast lap times for that track :)
I spun my S2K getting on a highway with cold tires. The slips and fast steering wheel corrections gave me a flashback. Ha ha. I was not good enough to correct it so quickly as you did
you've slid enough! LOL! I envy your car control! I haven't and so I spin on my NB Miata on all my track days with it. haha!
I think you woulda had him with better tires but Love this vid
Don't worry, I learned car control through spinning and crashing haha
Nice driving! Would love to see what times you can run in the S2000 at local California tracks
+Zygrene would love to at some point :)
Visit Texas on your way there. Come play in the Spec2k series. =)
Boostedtaco quite a detour but sounds like it's worth it ha
S2000 sounds really good. Nice driving mann
Phenomenal car control! You need more rear downforce. I was expecting type R to pull a lot faster on the straights thou...
Thanks! I thought I'd get murdered on the straight but honestly not that much difference at all.
Excellent driving! Love those counter steers.
Sick laps, thanks for posting! I take it a lot of that counter steering was due to the suspension and tires?
SparkyS2K mostly due to mis-matched tires giving too much front grip. You can see how gingerly I was having to drive mid-corner!
I agree... too much oversteer, but great peace of driving bro.
I used to take the S2k to the track, and I miss it.
It didn't help that you're going in the turns too hot. At some point you should've adjusted your driving according to the tires. Looked like you drive better than the Type R driver though. I mean, if the nurburgring times is any indication, the Type R should've put some distance from you. I bet you can do better in the Type R than the S2K.
Wow I never expected the S2000 could beat the new Type R. Very impressive, S2000 is a legend.
Nice driving, the S2k and the 1st gen NSX is a hard card to drive fast. I think if the race is endurance then the S2k will be at the advantage over Civic type R.
Good driving bro!! Good fight by both u n the fk8, enjoyed every moment of your battle
There’s a car following the S2K closely, I’d like to know what it is. Check the rear and passenger side view mirrors, seems to be keeping up nicely.
That's badass!!!!! I have a lonely driver sticker on my 86 Hatchback!!! Great run man!
Out of the 143,000 views, not one will drive that car faster than you. Keep it up broski ;) the thing about a public video is...... it's open to the public.... sure are a lot of idiots in the public who haven't been properly trained to even make a rationale comment on this video
If you follow the Initial D S2000, it had a GT Wing which enabled it to be pretty neutral at low to mid speed corners, something that will enable keeping up and overtake the aerodynamically bred Type R.
You are lucky-driving my dream car. WIsh you lot of good and safe races!
Goes to truly show that power is not everything! Good stuff man!
+Franjotpreet911 Yep, power isn't! Tire is haha
Nice driving from a fellow AP2 owner
You are a really good driver! the amount of comments doesn't match your subs though shit is weird. Glad I found your channel.
Excellent display of skills. Great job!
The Type R's main weapon is high speed cornering, it's Nurburgring record speaks for itself.
The driver of that Civic was on chillmode the whole time!
+Audiwan Kenobi no he wasn't... He pushed flat out, as did I.
Time to get this on the same course with an NSX! All of Honda's bests battling against one another.
Lend me a NSX and I'll happily find out for ya :)
What a great video! ❤😍🇯🇵🔰
Awesome driving!
Amazing car control, man! But this is way too lose. With a better setup there ist still up to one second up for grabs. Victory goes to the black S2000 in the mirrors here.
Looks like you were having a lot of close calls and the type r was just chilling the whole time
you got some mad confidence and driving skills bro. Seemed like you folloing the R def brought out the best in you to go hard where in the front you may have been a little more careful esp with how slide happy your rear was gettiing. good stuff.
very nice driving bro! very good car control, very fast reactions! You gave everything, really fought. Impressive! It takes big balls to drive S2k like that. You need better tires or a bit wider rear tires tho :D
S2000 did really well up against the FK8. Shows that it's still a little pocket rocket.
Looking at the comments on here most have a lot to say about the Type R that probably have only looked through the window of one at a dealership at most and not even sat in one. Haters will hate.
The revcounter on the s2 is awesome
I wonder how Honda engineers feel when he saw this. 'we spend many years and came up with a car that is equaly fast as the old s2k.'
Think about it this way: the S2000 was a no-compromise sports car, and Honda now managed to make a daily-drive-able family hatchback just as fast, if not faster, without losing its comfort and usability. Not easy to do at all!
CTR pulls out of those corners like a boss
That S2K must be sooooooo f-ing fun to drive
Nicely done Jackie. What are your thoughts on the type r? Would you give up the s2000 for it?
I have yet to drive it, so I can't comment on that just yet... I will say this though. Both cars still had more left to give, me with tires and the Type R with suspension tweaks and so on. Type R is a very capable car for sure. Worth every cent of 35K but not a penny more to me.
Jackie Ding right on! Good luck on the next event. Hoping to pick up a CTR in the used mkt. but I need to keep the s2000
Apollo Andratti same. I love the look of the R, and the functionality, but if I had to give up the S... not a chance haha
Apollo Andratti the nice thug is you don't have to give up the s2 to get a type r .... Cause the other car has 4doors
christopher daniel right on. The type r is The family hauler
Good comparison from Honda FWD & RWD.
This man is a god
Good video but the beginning should have had some shots of the cars while stationary before the action. The Type R has around a 65hp advantage so it's nice to the see the S2000 can hang with a newer more powerful car. Mine is a '02 AP1.
Didn't know this video would get so popular, or else I would've tried harder! Haha
If you take my suggestion your next video could be even more popular haha!
Some great driving!!
Those little RC cars are super realistic.
Great driving and tire management
S/O to you for controlling that car at the limit for that long. #S2Kskills
Great driving as usual ;)
One thing I can say about the S2K is that, if you're vigilant, it will let you correct your mistake… it's not a treacherous beast, it's just a fast reacting race bred car :)
p.s. as previously commented on another vid, your rear might be too tight or toe not positive enough
Awesome video both cars rock love that turbo tho
Great work!!
I'm a big FK8 fan but I really wanted you to win :) Nice driving.
awesome driving!
you never had him....you never had your car!!
Marcos Aruca is that you Dom?
That's because he didn't have a Motec exhaust.
Marcos Aruca i need nos 2 of the big ones😂
I would take a s2000 over this type r
henry Sanson bruh the one driving is clearly driving the s2000 not the civic type r that's the one that been infront of him , u got it all fucked up
kangaro jack sorry, s2000 is a better car n/a too. That specific Marked up, hyped up type r is over rated.
all day
I would but practicality tells me otherwise
There is something seriously wrong with that S2K's setup. Sliding around too much. What tyres are you using? They seem to be too hard a compound.
Tony C he posted his mods in the vid before the race starts.
+dun madun thanks, at least someone bothered to read hahaha
Front are Falken Azenis RT615k and rear are Michelin Pilot Super Sport. At least someone bothered to write the correct front tire. 😂✌
+carlmanu lol
It's hard to imagine that they let cars out in track with mismatched tires. Just another reasons why I can't take gridlife seriously...
You've got way too much front end grip haha, sweet driving tho, loved the battle.
Badass man. A bit of under and over steer at the begining
Great video
I just got super sports for my S. They're on sale right now since the new pilots are coming out
Need tires that can properly heat cycle and you don't need a rear wing. You're frequently turning in too early causing the rear end grip issues for exit. S2k's are notoriously tail happy, as they are faster around a corner if you can help steer it with the throttle. A bit of slide to change direction is fast, too much and you'll just scrub your speed off. Nice driving other than a couple of corners that need some work. car sounds great.
Great driving
That Vtec sound so crisp.
"Racers don't need girlfriends, So pathetic" love the slap
Good job . I am shocked how you manage to win against more powerful car . It just proves that less is more. Plus you are an excellent drive. I am disappointed that Honda put a turbo on the new cars .
I would like to see video of your friend driving the FK8. I think he didn't have to work so hard as you :D. But great work with car.
A proper time attack video
Very good job. I don't think i can keep up with a good driver in new TypeR in my s2000
I'd be curious to see if they switched cars who would win or at least get driving impressions. Anyway, the Civic seems like a pretty nice track car as well as being a daily driver that can hold 3 extra passengers. Something you can't say with an S2k.
the type r is a beast on the straights, you wanna try to get it on the corners, but then again your already 300-400lbs lighter on the S2000, he shouldnt have gapped you that much
Great driving! The S2000 is a good competitor but I have the Integra type-R which got stolen, I would think that would be a redoubtable car on that track. Integra is faster out of corners and the S2000 faster on top end of rpm.
I love your " Lonely Drivers " sticker XD Itsuki !!!!
Skill might have had something to do why u you saved it sir. A big E for effort. I don't think you left anything on the track!!
Thanks! Did me best :)
Nice recoverys
You were catching up at the brake points and a little more mid-corner. Surprisingly not on corner exit.
Good video though I usually don't like comparisons like this - was there comparable fuel level in both cars, driver level, tire life (as in grip performance left)?
Either way, shows the Type R is pretty solid. You over-charged several corners in the first few laps and were busy gathering it back up when you could have been on throttle if you would have slowed down just a hair on entrance.
Solid car control! 👍🏽
+Gamaliel Aguilar this wasn't a comparison... it was just an on-track battle. All the factors are different.
Also funny you said that, the very first flying lap was actually my fastest lap ha.
Jackie Ding sounds about right - I do club racing in a pretty competitive class (PRO3 in the Pacific Northwest) where we have 25-40 car fields and the pointy end of the grid are pro level drivers.
In qualifying trim and even in the first few laps of a race, barring too much traffic battling, the fastest laps always come in laps 1-3, maybe 4 because after the out-lap (to get things warmed up) that's when the tires and brakes are at their freshest states.
Then they will still mostly work but just not as performant as those first few laps, unless you lockup or light up the rears in a RWD car, then your screwed until they cool down, if they cool down.
Not trying to bag your driving - which is actually quite good - just that you might have been able to catch the Type R in those first few laps if you weren't busy gathering the car back up on corner exits. This is at least my hypothesis from the video but only the data can confirm.
Keep up the driving!
If it's setup right, FWD is definitely alot more stable than RWD.
There are many factors that you should consider here:
• that S2000 is more than 15 years old with old stock engine.
• not just the rear tyre problem, but also your driving skill issue too. You slowed down too fast at corners. Your engine RPM is too low to catch up. You need to understand when your VTEC kicks in.
• your shocks coilover setting issue
This can easily tell because there was another car tailing you each time you entered into corners from the rear view mirror of your S2000 clearly shown!
+xD Wx the other S2K had full aero and much better tires, he was in a different competition class.
Great Driving S2k now for a turbo s2k vs fk8
Lonely drivers
Deja vu
Firstly great stuff!!
I really like your camera angle, how did you mount the camera, onto the helmet?
The way I do it, GoPro hat clip onto the top and center of the visor; blocks a bit of the view but it's never been a problem for me.
That S2000 isn't catching shit for traction; something is definitely wrong. A driver mod is definitely needed too.
The tires were pretty bad in the rear
Great car control! However, I don't think the civic was anywhere near its limits.
Kavinda VW I agree. Good driving but I know it's got more