Lincoln as a whole just looked at this market, saw that absolutely everything being built these days is sport first and comfort second, and said "why try and compete in a segment we can't, when we can go dominate another that absolutely everyone else is ignoring" and proceeded to start turning all their vehicles into comfortable cruisers. This is just true luxury, no sport, no over the top-ness, just comfort and ease. I think Lincoln absolutely NAILED this and the rest of the lineup, throwing sport out the window and going for pure comfort and luxury. I just think reviewers are so accustomed to sports cars being the only luxury cars, that a lot have forgotten what luxury cars are supposed to be like. Remember old Lincolns everyone loved were these giant cushy boaty rides with very unnecessarily overpowered engines, and this really does go back to their heritage and what they are best known for doing. I think we are going to start seeing a shift back in this direction a bit between Lincoln and now Genesis really bringing comfort back to the luxury segment
Actually, what they saw is a segment with a huge profit margin and said "dammit, we should charge $68k for a car even though our label doesn't have the prestige to merit it." And why bother designing a proper platform and just reuse the Edge platform and save billions in development. It had nothing to do with luxury v. sport. It's a money grab.
@@price9195 the navigator and aviator say otherwise (as they both came first with the expedition and explorer coming second). Lexus, acura, infiniti, and caddy reuse the same platforms as their mainsteam as well. Hell the only reason audi has decent crossovers is because they share a platform with lambo, porche and BENTLY.
i probably will as well given it feels like over the next 5 years Lincoln and Genesis will be stuck in an: _"anything you can do; I can do better"_ loop.
Real talk. I work as a service advisor at a rather large service station and subscribing here has made me a little more versed in the mechanics of a vehicle. I'm able to find faults in a customer's car, understand their issues and convey it to the techs way better than I used to. I even got a bump in my pay after a few customers told good things about my service. Thanks, guys.
Drive up and down I-35 and you'll see 5 of these for every Audi. Why? That boat like ride that separates you from the pavement; when you put your foot down you can go from 70 to 100 in two heartbeats and pass anything; 19 speaker Revel audio keeps you occupied, and those seats, oh those seats, with massage, will keep you relaxed. The seats, plush ride, sound system, and the 2.7l Turbo are the reason I bought the car.
Parts-bin switchgear may feel cheap, but in my opinion the fact it still has physical switchgear at all put this car ahead of many of its rivals with their touchscreen-only or capacitive-button controls.
Both of these guys are way off Lincoln is awesome and they are here to stay we test drove the Lexus we also seen with the BMW offers and the Audi Q5 and the calyx X5 they fall short in the areas of luxury comfortable right quiet cabinet fully loaded features compared to the Lincoln
This is one of the main reasons I just bought a 23 instead of waiting for the 24. I also like that Ford/Lincoln keeps the switch gear pretty similar between models, Makes it easy to quickly get comfortable
As an owner of a 2019 Nautilus, I am extremely happy with it. It rides amazing, it's got great pickup when needed, and that seat massager is almost heavenly. I get a lot of compliments on the look as it's in black metallic. And let's not forget that stereo!! My only concern is that it feels big to drive. But overall, there are too many pluses that far outweigh the negative. I am looking at buying a new car next year and it's down once again to the Lexus 450h or another Nautilus.
Well they are definitely going the right direction by starting to give their vehicles actual names again instead of chasing the Germans with their alphanumeric soup nonsense.
If I wanted and could afford a Lincoln, I think I'd just step up to an Aviator. It has a better exterior design and a rear drive platform while not being that much larger.
Much better drivetrain too, the 2.7 Ecoboost is starting to show its age and the 8-speed is all older model, the Aviator has the 3.0 Nano Ecoboost with a 10-speed which is blazing quick for am otherwise relaxed luxury SUV.
I cant stop thinking about the volvo xc90. i screwed up and showed it to my wife, now she wants one. she said whats good enough for the goose is good enough for the gander.
Oh man, don't make the same mistake I did. It's a nightmare to own. My wife got one, and I think its been in the dealership probably 5 times (if not more) in 2 years.
@@notkimjongun6469 thanks for the heads up, ive heard that before but thought maybe it's over blown. I know Mark went over some of that in the video, I'll for sure take that into consideration.
@@jesserhodes7430 I got a fully loaded brand new MY2018 XC90 T8. For over 50K miles, besides one factory recall, it has been very solid to me. Based on what I have read in the forums, I think the reliability of this beauty is really depends on luck hahaha.
I appreciate the sharing of Final Thoughts segment with Jack, its great to see that you're both balancing things out. Love seeing how this channel has grown.
Yeah you can get a similarly equipped Reserve trim with the ventilated & massaging front seats for less money than the Black Label trim if you don't care about the Chalet interior theme
@@NileshR12 Yeah at 68k for the black label it's absolutely criminally retarded not to buy an Aviator when you're talking that kind of money, it's a far superior vehicle in every way, and in America bigger is better. NEVER buy a smaller car unless it's significantly cheaper, there is literally zero justifiable reason to do so (outside of the sports car world where things are different).
@@Artcore103 Well for the people who don't need the 3rd row or that big of a midsize vehicle then that's what the Nautilus Black Label is meant for. It's also possible to knock off a few MSRP on the Nautilus Black Label to make it a better value between $62-65k lol. Maybe even down to $60k but Idk about that with the recent chip shortage. With the pandemic coming to an end Idk lenient the dealerships would be with their incentives, deals, & offers. Plus, this is an under-rated name in the segment. It's not that common. It's rare to see a Nautilus Reserve or Black Label on the road. But the comfort features make them worth the money
This one feels a bit "phoned-in." You kept hammering on the $68k price tag of the Black Label trim level. But never mentioned that the Nautilus starts at like $42k. That massively shifts the calculus of deciding between it and the other offerings from Acura, Audi, etc. The BMW X5 starts at $59k before any options. The other models are closer in price, but the Lincoln is the least expensive of all the models mentioned.
We traded our ‘13 MKX for a used ‘19 Nautilus Reserve FWD with 17k miles. We’ve had it for 3 months now. We are happy with it. I looked for 6 weeks to find the right one. I wanted a low mileage loaded Reserve and I was able to find it. I suggest if you are considering one of these, then get one with all the options. I wanted the optional V6 and it is plenty fast. Yes, you have the turbo lag, but you learn how to optimize the power if you want it by keeping revs above 3k. The tech and driver assist packages are really nice and work flawlessly. The Ultimate package with the 19 speaker 1200 watt stereo is amazing. It’s hands downs one of the best systems out there. I absolutely love to listen to my favorite classic rock songs in this car. The optional headlights and the 21” wheels that come with the package are amazing as well. The optional 22 way front seats are mandatory if you’re getting this car. They are, again, amazing. I love the thigh extender since I’m tall and my wife loves the massage function. Now, yes, it is more of a comfort suv than the X5. But with the V6, it you put it in Sport mode, the suspension stiffens up and the paddle shifters activate, resulting in a decent sporty feel. I see now, on the newer models, the V6 comes with AWD; probably a good thing. The sticker on a ‘22 fully loaded is $67k. Wow. I just can’t see paying that, to be honest. Mine had a sticker of $62.4k and I paid $44k for it. I suggest if you are considering a Lincoln, get a 1-2 year old one, loaded, and save a ton of money.
Family recently purchased a 2020 model before the interior update. So far it’s a great car! Very comfy lots of space inside. Some of the ergonomics are weird. The 22-Way seats are great. 2.7T Just a Reserve I trim.
(6:45) when mark says - “theres something lacking here in feel, prestige, perceived quality or something” what he means to say is “its a ford, i dont like ford”
The craziest thing about these lincolns is that it does have the absolute best audio system and it's not even close. You can turn volume up to max and the clarity never changes. You would never expect that, and lincoln never really advertises its audio superiority either. You have to go up to an upgraded 7 series or an S class to get this kind of a sound system
Nothing says "Ford product" like exhaust pipes (3:00) that are already rusting out. I might check this out in a couple years, when it is 1/3 the price.
where would you place the Genesis GV 80 in the picture relative to this current version of the MKX Limited Edition (2011 which I love). I do wish that the rear wiper had been hidden like on the Aviator. Does it have headlights that turn with the direction of travel and also are they self leveling? Trying to decide if there is anything that says move from the MKX that has only 106K KM but now is 10 years old.
I’m 21 and I enjoy my 2018 MKX black label 2.7T. My interior is actually a nicer theme. I have the modern heritage black label. It has white seats with red stitching throughout it looks amazing. It’s not fast but it’s impressive to anyone that rides in it.
Technically this is half-a-class below the X5 GLE etc, the aviator competes with those. This directly competes with the RX but RX sales are so dominant in that segment it’s interesting to see if they can get a share of that pie.
I work for Lincoln, I was a fan of the MKX when they did the refresh back in 2016, and then they refreshed that with the Nautilus name, and I thought it looked better, and then they brought updated the interior and I was happy they they’ve continued to stay away from the badge engineering of the late 2000’s, early 10’s. I like that they’ve differentiated the brand away from looking like a polished Ford, and I really do like the new interior layouts they are using brand wide. I may be biased as I work for the company, but before the refresh of 2016 I wasn’t particularly a fan of the polished Ford badge engineering they were doing.
I'll keep this one in mind for a used purchase if I see a great deal in a few years - I expect big depreciation. For the new price, there are much more sensible choices.
I just got out a 2021 XC60 T8 with the air suspension, Bowers & wilkins audio, and 21" wheels. All for the bargin price of $73k MSRP. I can firmly say that without driving the Nautilus/ or Corsair as of right now. There is no way it cannot be better than the XC60! I'll drive the Nautilus and Corsair tomorrow at Lincoln and analyze my findings on NVH, materials, and quality. The XC60 had an apparent crosswind whistle at highway speed and a terrible chassis vibration that went through the steering wheel, seat, and floor board. I felt like a was driving a sub 25k car, I've driven 20 year old Lexus's that were more isolated from the road! The ride quality with air suspension on the crappy roads I drive on my commute seemed smooth and complient. I didn't feel like I was floating on a cloud and wollowing over bumps like I was anticipating beforehand. Which I wished was the case. The Bowers & wilkins audio system was the highlight of the XC60 and sounded fantastic with Classical and female/ Male vocals via Flac files. The door panel resonance buzzing in park wasn't something I was expecting for a car that was supposed to be designed around the audio system first. I baked during the test drive due to not being able to use that god awful touch screen and UI to turn on the AC and the right vent direction option or seat cooler. Total overload and unnecessary! I'd take Genesis or Lincoln's UI over this any day. After tomorrow I hope to make up my mind on buying a 2021 Lincoln Corsair grand touring PEHV or a Nautilus Black label. The $6850 goverment incentive on the Corsair PHEV makes it a no brainer in my opinion. I wish I could get it in a Black Label trim and the upgraded Revel Ultima sound system, but hey you can't get everything in life.
Aside from the buttons and switches, I like the interior. I like the 2 tone steering wheel especially; it reminds me of a white wall tire, which is probably exactly what they were going for.
Nobody's cross shopping this with BMW, Audi, or Acura. The competitor to this would be a Cadillac. The target demographic is American car buying seniors. They won't notice lack of powertrain refinement. They will like the smooth ride, quiet interior, and styling, which I must admit is very sharp. If they did try a BMW, they'd probably be put off by the taught ride. No matter how you slice it though, 68 grand is a tough pill to swallow when you figure what the thing will be worth in a few years. At least they got the audio system right.
You get this cause it's going to hold up longer than the audi or bmw. The running cost after 30k miles will be substantially lower. This has always been the Lincoln's biggest pro and con.
Something they don't touch on is cost of ownership... maintenance, repairs etc. when it is out of warranty. This car may be overpriced against the competition when new but could deliver excellent value when used if it is reliable and durable. I want an SUV that handles competently and is very comfortable and quiet on long drives and has ample power when it's needed. Buying a 3 year old, well maintained example could be everything I need.
I really like the Nautilus especially the interior update, but when it comes to exterior styling which I like it needs that wow factor, a chiseled exterior while retaining its interior design, I would change to chrome to a satin look though!!!
I test drove a Volvo XC60 and a Lincoln Nautilus. The Nautilus was quieter, had a way more gorgeous interior than the XC60, and had better handling and ride experience - which was surprising because I seriously thought the Volvo was going to blow the Lincoln out of the water. In the end, the Nautilus ended up being in my garage. I feel that there's a bias towards foreign luxury vehicles just because they seem cooler and there's a brand behind them, but do not knock American luxury because they are just as good!
The black label trim on this is definitely where it gets out of the price category it belongs in. The nautilus can be had in the 50's, with the same important features (the seats, the audio, the v6) as the Black Label, albeit with less material/colour choice. It should be interesting to see the successor to the Nautilus in a couple years as Ford's edge plant will be retooling for EV production in 23/24.
Had a 16 MKX, was flawless overall. No real issues to note. The car just needs a full redesign at this point. Also the black label cars are completely not necessary. Just get a Reserve.
Your age group isn’t buying $68k cars. My age group (50) tends to like Lincoln but dislike the “grandparent” car vibe. Plus, for $62K I can have the BMW X3 M40. Now, 2 or 3 years from now when the Lincoln is used with low miles makes more sense at say $38K.
You guys hit the nail on the head as far as the market. That car is for a very specific demographic the elders who want luxury and quiet, but America branded . It’s priced high but the people in that market have the retirement money and pensions to buy it and feel like they are maintaining their “loyalty” . The only issue I have isn’t with the car but rather, that market they are shooting for will be gone and require electricity or something different. My point, If this was an EV , it would be right in the sweep spot. A luxury competitor with their own Mach e and have a bit of the performance pointed at the German models. I guess time will tell with these but I’m guessing golf courses and limo lots at the airport will be filled with these. Great video !
there's two bigger Lincoln SUVs with the Aviator and Navigator, so does this really compete with the X5 and Q7 rather than being a step below? Is it that big?
1:04 is the stitching on the dash where it curves really that crooked? It looks C8-level of messed up. And white steering wheel... It's like Lincoln is specifically targeting their cars towards third owner subprime car loan 110k miles with collapsed rear suspension crowd.
American auto makers seem to always have fitment,/fit and finish issues, GM is among the worse before it has bad symmetry and fit and finish with panel gaps also
This is their compact crossover-competing with the X3, Q5, GLC, RDX, upcoming GV70 and the like. The Aviator is their midsize SUV-the X5, GLE, etc. competitor.
Why are you guys comparing the Nautilus to the Audi Q7 Volvo Xc90 and BMW X5. The direct competition Lincoln is targeting the Lexus RX350, Cadillac XT5 and maybe the Audi Q5. Do you see where I'm going, two row crossovers in the luxury line. After renting a Nautilus, I would definitely buy one, because I'm not looking for it to be and X5 with an M package.
My problem with this review is you only base your review on the black label model. I can purchase almost all the same luxury in the Nautilus Reserve model for significantly less than a Q7 or X5. You're comparing the top level Nautilus with other entry level priced (much more expensive) luxury vehicles.
my first question is why couldn't ford move the door mirrors to the door on the edge as they have here on the lincoln? it makes for a far better vision.
The GV80 is more similarly sized with the Nautilus than the Acura MDX which only comes in 3 rows. It's also similarly priced when equipped similarly. The Lexus RX350, Infiniti QX60 and Volvo XC90 weren't mentioned either and are better options (and less expensive) as well...
@savagegeese Can you review the new Kia Carnival? I would love to hear which minivan would you recommend today between the Sienna, Pacifica, Odyssey or New Carnival.
I agree with them on the 2.7 in the edge/Nautilus. I don't know what Ford did with the tuning on this vehicle, but the same engine in the F150 feels way more powerful, with almost no lag. Only reason I can think of is the trans, diff, transaxle can't handle the true power of the 2.7
You buy a Nautilus because it is the single most comfortable vehicle to ride in short of a Rolls. Better than Audi, better than Lexus on that front. A lot of people like Volvo seats as the best in the business, these are better.
The new two row JGC Summit Reserve is 69k with the hemi. Loaded GV80 is going for 68k -70k as well with 365hp twin turbo V6. Both are better options in my opinion. The JGC can be had in lower luxury trims as well from 55k-65k.
Mr.Geese, Is the Revel 14 speaker system Corsair as good as the 17 speaker Revel Ultima in the Nautilus? Are the 18 way seats in the Nautilus as good as the Corsairs 22 way adjustable seats? I'm looking at the Nautilus grand touring PHEV or Nautilus black label.
@@citayshow big of an improvement was the ultima over the base revel system? I mean can get the $6850 credit on the Corsair due to it being PHEV, plus employee pricing and incentives on top. I'd get a better deal on the Corsair grand touring than Nautilus.
@@barbecuetechtips6024 I mean I would definitely sit in both for 30 minutes at least and test with similar songs, definitely mess with the eq a bit and the different surround settings. Personally, I think it's much better, the base Revel system is still very solid, but the Ultima system is one of the very best factory systems on market.
@@citays thanks for the input on this. I'll put some test songs on a flash drive and see which subjectively sound better back to back. I'll look over the measurements by savagegeese.
Lincoln as a whole just looked at this market, saw that absolutely everything being built these days is sport first and comfort second, and said "why try and compete in a segment we can't, when we can go dominate another that absolutely everyone else is ignoring" and proceeded to start turning all their vehicles into comfortable cruisers. This is just true luxury, no sport, no over the top-ness, just comfort and ease. I think Lincoln absolutely NAILED this and the rest of the lineup, throwing sport out the window and going for pure comfort and luxury. I just think reviewers are so accustomed to sports cars being the only luxury cars, that a lot have forgotten what luxury cars are supposed to be like. Remember old Lincolns everyone loved were these giant cushy boaty rides with very unnecessarily overpowered engines, and this really does go back to their heritage and what they are best known for doing. I think we are going to start seeing a shift back in this direction a bit between Lincoln and now Genesis really bringing comfort back to the luxury segment
Actually, what they saw is a segment with a huge profit margin and said "dammit, we should charge $68k for a car even though our label doesn't have the prestige to merit it." And why bother designing a proper platform and just reuse the Edge platform and save billions in development. It had nothing to do with luxury v. sport. It's a money grab.
@@price9195 the navigator and aviator say otherwise (as they both came first with the expedition and explorer coming second). Lexus, acura, infiniti, and caddy reuse the same platforms as their mainsteam as well. Hell the only reason audi has decent crossovers is because they share a platform with lambo, porche and BENTLY.
Lincoln’s are fantastic cars to buy when they are a year or two old
The exterior isn’t my favorite, but the interior more than makes up for it! Nice to see Lincoln doing well
Its going to fall apart fast
@@buytheredcar Compared to what? Less reliable than BMW or Audi?
It's been a journey, but we've finally figured out where Jack borrowed all those extra syllables from.
I guess I'll stop watching one savagegeese video so I can watch a new one. Good thing I have enough Arby's beef & cheddar's to last...
i probably will as well given it feels like over the next 5 years Lincoln and Genesis will be stuck in an:
_"anything you can do; I can do better"_ loop.
Dammit. Now I'm hungry for Arby's
🤣🤣🤣
Or is it 'n' cheddar
How many Beef & Cheddars can you fit into a XC90?
Real talk. I work as a service advisor at a rather large service station and subscribing here has made me a little more versed in the mechanics of a vehicle. I'm able to find faults in a customer's car, understand their issues and convey it to the techs way better than I used to. I even got a bump in my pay after a few customers told good things about my service. Thanks, guys.
Service advisor? You're a glorified commissioned salesman. The only thing you advise techs on is how much to rip people off.
@@YasssStitch Wow, you're off the mark on that. Sure, some are, but an experienced SA is worth an awful lot.
Drive up and down I-35 and you'll see 5 of these for every Audi. Why? That boat like ride that separates you from the pavement; when you put your foot down you can go from 70 to 100 in two heartbeats and pass anything; 19 speaker Revel audio keeps you occupied, and those seats, oh those seats, with massage, will keep you relaxed. The seats, plush ride, sound system, and the 2.7l Turbo are the reason I bought the car.
While reading your comment I could never guess you had one
Me too !!!
Me too
@@Father-klovkoski Because that's all you can do is 'guess'. Someone with experience (not you) holds more sway than your blather.
Finally, Lincoln is back! The audio system can do justice to my big band music!
Parts-bin switchgear may feel cheap, but in my opinion the fact it still has physical switchgear at all put this car ahead of many of its rivals with their touchscreen-only or capacitive-button controls.
BMW x5 still has the better interior than this.bought mine for 62k
Both of these guys are way off Lincoln is awesome and they are here to stay we test drove the Lexus we also seen with the BMW offers and the Audi Q5 and the calyx X5 they fall short in the areas of luxury comfortable right quiet cabinet fully loaded features compared to the Lincoln
This is one of the main reasons I just bought a 23 instead of waiting for the 24. I also like that Ford/Lincoln keeps the switch gear pretty similar between models, Makes it easy to quickly get comfortable
As an owner of a 2019 Nautilus, I am extremely happy with it. It rides amazing, it's got great pickup when needed, and that seat massager is almost heavenly. I get a lot of compliments on the look as it's in black metallic. And let's not forget that stereo!! My only concern is that it feels big to drive. But overall, there are too many pluses that far outweigh the negative. I am looking at buying a new car next year and it's down once again to the Lexus 450h or another Nautilus.
ah, American luxury. we've missed you.
"For Americans luxury is just making stuff bigger"
Richard Hammond
Well they are definitely going the right direction by starting to give their vehicles actual names again instead of chasing the Germans with their alphanumeric soup nonsense.
@@anydaynow01 I HATE THAT SO MUCH.
Names give character.
I´d like to see Lincoln, Genesis, Dodge, Cadillac etc. in Germany. It´s so boring with our VAG, BM, Merc culture.
@@jimbeam4736 Yall get the new Genesis wagon lucky bastards ;(
Last time I was this early Turbowski was still in the shop
He went to Italy.
@@RelaxAndSmokeMeth with his pt cruiser
The intro was amazing with an old Lincoln commercial!
Aw jeez, Mark, your telling me last week's hair plugs rejected themselves that quickly?!?! That's too bad. Easy come easy go, I suppose.
well done lol
Continuity error. Blame the editors.
It's called a hair piece.
Always enjoy watching SavageGeese’s reviews at 8 in the morning while having my steel cut oatmeal and western omelet for breakfast.
Your forgetting your side of axle grease sir
Or while pooping
I gotta say when it comes to luxury Lincoln is impressive.
If I wanted and could afford a Lincoln, I think I'd just step up to an Aviator. It has a better exterior design and a rear drive platform while not being that much larger.
Much better drivetrain too, the 2.7 Ecoboost is starting to show its age and the 8-speed is all older model, the Aviator has the 3.0 Nano Ecoboost with a 10-speed which is blazing quick for am otherwise relaxed luxury SUV.
Same
@@Yukikazehalo realize the 3.0l isn't a new powertrain either. it used to be in the MKZ and Continental
@@alextran8188 is love to get a 3.0L MKZ but there is only one for sale in my entire state...
I cant stop thinking about the volvo xc90. i screwed up and showed it to my wife, now she wants one. she said whats good enough for the goose is good enough for the gander.
Oh man, don't make the same mistake I did. It's a nightmare to own. My wife got one, and I think its been in the dealership probably 5 times (if not more) in 2 years.
@@notkimjongun6469 thanks for the heads up, ive heard that before but thought maybe it's over blown. I know Mark went over some of that in the video, I'll for sure take that into consideration.
@@notkimjongun6469 didn't get. You meant volvo or lincoln?
@@Phobos123 Volvo
@@jesserhodes7430 I got a fully loaded brand new MY2018 XC90 T8. For over 50K miles, besides one factory recall, it has been very solid to me. Based on what I have read in the forums, I think the reliability of this beauty is really depends on luck hahaha.
Choose Loving Kindness is a code phrase used by the Glossy Black Plastic Resistance.
This is actually lacquered wood here- but I agree with the general sentiment
Imagine a world where sports cars got the suv treatment by manufacturers
A new z car every 2 years vs 50 years for a new one
Regrettably, that’s where all the value, features and R&D live.
No body got the money to spend money on a impractical expensive car compared to a practical inexpensive to expensive CUV.
That’s a world I’d like to live in.
I blew through a 600k trust fund trying to impress younger women. Savage geese inspired me to become a UA-cam influencer! Thanks guys!
No way lol
600k is not exactly a trust fund. At 5% you'd get 30k a year less taxes.
Bruh
You guys should follow me. I'm a genius
@@alexnutcasio936 beats working
I appreciate the sharing of Final Thoughts segment with Jack, its great to see that you're both balancing things out. Love seeing how this channel has grown.
A more sane trim and hopefully dealers bringing down price makes this potentially an attractive buy
Yeah you can get a similarly equipped Reserve trim with the ventilated & massaging front seats for less money than the Black Label trim if you don't care about the Chalet interior theme
There are plenty of offers under $50k.
@@NileshR12 Yeah at 68k for the black label it's absolutely criminally retarded not to buy an Aviator when you're talking that kind of money, it's a far superior vehicle in every way, and in America bigger is better. NEVER buy a smaller car unless it's significantly cheaper, there is literally zero justifiable reason to do so (outside of the sports car world where things are different).
@@Artcore103 Well for the people who don't need the 3rd row or that big of a midsize vehicle then that's what the Nautilus Black Label is meant for. It's also possible to knock off a few MSRP on the Nautilus Black Label to make it a better value between $62-65k lol. Maybe even down to $60k but Idk about that with the recent chip shortage. With the pandemic coming to an end Idk lenient the dealerships would be with their incentives, deals, & offers. Plus, this is an under-rated name in the segment. It's not that common. It's rare to see a Nautilus Reserve or Black Label on the road. But the comfort features make them worth the money
@@NileshR12 it doesn't matter if you don't "need" it, bigger is superior in everything but sports cars period.
This one feels a bit "phoned-in." You kept hammering on the $68k price tag of the Black Label trim level. But never mentioned that the Nautilus starts at like $42k. That massively shifts the calculus of deciding between it and the other offerings from Acura, Audi, etc. The BMW X5 starts at $59k before any options. The other models are closer in price, but the Lincoln is the least expensive of all the models mentioned.
We traded our ‘13 MKX for a used ‘19 Nautilus Reserve FWD with 17k miles. We’ve had it for 3 months now. We are happy with it. I looked for 6 weeks to find the right one. I wanted a low mileage loaded Reserve and I was able to find it. I suggest if you are considering one of these, then get one with all the options. I wanted the optional V6 and it is plenty fast. Yes, you have the turbo lag, but you learn how to optimize the power if you want it by keeping revs above 3k. The tech and driver assist packages are really nice and work flawlessly. The Ultimate package with the 19 speaker 1200 watt stereo is amazing. It’s hands downs one of the best systems out there. I absolutely love to listen to my favorite classic rock songs in this car. The optional headlights and the 21” wheels that come with the package are amazing as well. The optional 22 way front seats are mandatory if you’re getting this car. They are, again, amazing. I love the thigh extender since I’m tall and my wife loves the massage function. Now, yes, it is more of a comfort suv than the X5. But with the V6, it you put it in Sport mode, the suspension stiffens up and the paddle shifters activate, resulting in a decent sporty feel. I see now, on the newer models, the V6 comes with AWD; probably a good thing. The sticker on a ‘22 fully loaded is $67k. Wow. I just can’t see paying that, to be honest. Mine had a sticker of $62.4k and I paid $44k for it. I suggest if you are considering a Lincoln, get a 1-2 year old one, loaded, and save a ton of money.
Family recently purchased a 2020 model before the interior update. So far it’s a great car! Very comfy lots of space inside. Some of the ergonomics are weird. The 22-Way seats are great. 2.7T
Just a Reserve I trim.
(6:45) when mark says - “theres something lacking here in feel, prestige, perceived quality or something” what he means to say is “its a ford, i dont like ford”
Lmao
That's such BS. This is a really nice vehicle for the money
Why do you think that is
The update on the interior definitely takes things up a level or two. Probably the next generation will be the real improvement. Great review guys!
The craziest thing about these lincolns is that it does have the absolute best audio system and it's not even close. You can turn volume up to max and the clarity never changes. You would never expect that, and lincoln never really advertises its audio superiority either. You have to go up to an upgraded 7 series or an S class to get this kind of a sound system
When are are going to get an owners review on the GTI
The exterior styling is fantastic. The side lines are the best out of any of the models. It does have some elegance to that fact.
Oh thank god, I was waiting to see someone wearing Patagonia funboi gear on this channel - it was sorely missed.
Well done on the intro. Bravo, Singapore Goose. Bravo.
I think the interior to this is so pretty. It just looks like a nice place to be. Very cozy
Nothing says "Ford product" like exhaust pipes (3:00) that are already rusting out. I might check this out in a couple years, when it is 1/3 the price.
With the name of this model, they missed an opportunity to build in those shells from the bathrooms in Demolition Man.
Geese doesnt know about the 2 shells.
@@ponrix Three shells. Three.
Love that you do the Audio measurements!!
I’m too young to know the intro guy, so I call him Matthew Mcconaughey’s inspiration. It all makes sense now lol
where would you place the Genesis GV 80 in the picture relative to this current version of the MKX Limited Edition (2011 which I love). I do wish that the rear wiper had been hidden like on the Aviator. Does it have headlights that turn with the direction of travel and also are they self leveling? Trying to decide if there is anything that says move from the MKX that has only 106K KM but now is 10 years old.
I’m 21 and I enjoy my 2018 MKX black label 2.7T. My interior is actually a nicer theme. I have the modern heritage black label. It has white seats with red stitching throughout it looks amazing. It’s not fast but it’s impressive to anyone that rides in it.
Technically this is half-a-class below the X5 GLE etc, the aviator competes with those. This directly competes with the RX but RX sales are so dominant in that segment it’s interesting to see if they can get a share of that pie.
I work for Lincoln, I was a fan of the MKX when they did the refresh back in 2016, and then they refreshed that with the Nautilus name, and I thought it looked better, and then they brought updated the interior and I was happy they they’ve continued to stay away from the badge engineering of the late 2000’s, early 10’s. I like that they’ve differentiated the brand away from looking like a polished Ford, and I really do like the new interior layouts they are using brand wide. I may be biased as I work for the company, but before the refresh of 2016 I wasn’t particularly a fan of the polished Ford badge engineering they were doing.
8:29 When my wife first saw the Lincoln Badge she said it's a coffin.
lmaooo It is, for your bank account if you're going to pay 68K lol
That’s for the geriatric buyers
@@richardtargett4128 Bounce and jar your drives with an over priced B'mer. Neither are race cars although that TT goes plenty fast.
I'll keep this one in mind for a used purchase if I see a great deal in a few years - I expect big depreciation. For the new price, there are much more sensible choices.
Shoutout to the Barenaked Ladies classic “If I Had A Million Dollars” at 3:59 🙌
I just got out a 2021 XC60 T8 with the air suspension, Bowers & wilkins audio, and 21" wheels. All for the bargin price of $73k MSRP.
I can firmly say that without driving the Nautilus/ or Corsair as of right now. There is no way it cannot be better than the XC60! I'll drive the Nautilus and Corsair tomorrow at Lincoln and analyze my findings on NVH, materials, and quality.
The XC60 had an apparent crosswind whistle at highway speed and a terrible chassis vibration that went through the steering wheel, seat, and floor board. I felt like a was driving a sub 25k car, I've driven 20 year old Lexus's that were more isolated from the road!
The ride quality with air suspension on the crappy roads I drive on my commute seemed smooth and complient. I didn't feel like I was floating on a cloud and wollowing over bumps like I was anticipating beforehand. Which I wished was the case.
The Bowers & wilkins audio system was the highlight of the XC60 and sounded fantastic with Classical and female/ Male vocals via Flac files. The door panel resonance buzzing in park wasn't something I was expecting for a car that was supposed to be designed around the audio system first.
I baked during the test drive due to not being able to use that god awful touch screen and UI to turn on the AC and the right vent direction option or seat cooler. Total overload and unnecessary! I'd take Genesis or Lincoln's UI over this any day.
After tomorrow I hope to make up my mind on buying a 2021 Lincoln Corsair grand touring PEHV or a Nautilus Black label.
The $6850 goverment incentive on the Corsair PHEV makes it a no brainer in my opinion.
I wish I could get it in a Black Label trim and the upgraded Revel Ultima sound system, but hey you can't get everything in life.
A Black Label at 68k is a tough sell however a Reserve at 55k is something to consider especially if someone is not wanting to go the sporty route.
Aside from the buttons and switches, I like the interior. I like the 2 tone steering wheel especially; it reminds me of a white wall tire, which is probably exactly what they were going for.
Nobody's cross shopping this with BMW, Audi, or Acura. The competitor to this would be a Cadillac. The target demographic is American car buying seniors. They won't notice lack of powertrain refinement. They will like the smooth ride, quiet interior, and styling, which I must admit is very sharp. If they did try a BMW, they'd probably be put off by the taught ride. No matter how you slice it though, 68 grand is a tough pill to swallow when you figure what the thing will be worth in a few years. At least they got the audio system right.
Lexus would also be competition
The BMW probably depreciates more in that length of time.
You get this cause it's going to hold up longer than the audi or bmw. The running cost after 30k miles will be substantially lower. This has always been the Lincoln's biggest pro and con.
Something they don't touch on is cost of ownership... maintenance, repairs etc. when it is out of warranty. This car may be overpriced against the competition when new but could deliver excellent value when used if it is reliable and durable. I want an SUV that handles competently and is very comfortable and quiet on long drives and has ample power when it's needed. Buying a 3 year old, well maintained example could be everything I need.
A good and honest review, as always. Thanks, guys!
I really like the Nautilus especially the interior update, but when it comes to exterior styling which I like it needs that wow factor, a chiseled exterior while retaining its interior design, I would change to chrome to a satin look though!!!
Can’t be a true Lincoln without a vinyl landau roof and coach lamps.
And opera windows.
I test drove a Volvo XC60 and a Lincoln Nautilus. The Nautilus was quieter, had a way more gorgeous interior than the XC60, and had better handling and ride experience - which was surprising because I seriously thought the Volvo was going to blow the Lincoln out of the water. In the end, the Nautilus ended up being in my garage. I feel that there's a bias towards foreign luxury vehicles just because they seem cooler and there's a brand behind them, but do not knock American luxury because they are just as good!
The black label trim on this is definitely where it gets out of the price category it belongs in. The nautilus can be had in the 50's, with the same important features (the seats, the audio, the v6) as the Black Label, albeit with less material/colour choice.
It should be interesting to see the successor to the Nautilus in a couple years as Ford's edge plant will be retooling for EV production in 23/24.
Thanks guys I really like your reviews!! Thorough well thought out !!
Lincoln is Back!!! True American Luxury🇺🇲
The 2.7L is terrific in the F-150. Although it's tuned a bit differently for the Naughtylust here.
These small displacement 4 poppers work themselves to death, at least 3.5 can take the pressure
@@rickstevens1479 it's a v6
The 2.7 tt is awesome in my Continental. It surprises more than a few. Midrange is fun!!!
These videos are so amazing! Keep up the good work!
I’m between the Nautilus, RX 350 F sport, Mazda CX-9, Which one is the better purchase?
Had a 16 MKX, was flawless overall. No real issues to note. The car just needs a full redesign at this point. Also the black label cars are completely not necessary. Just get a Reserve.
I'm shocked to see Jack wearing something else than another Obsessed Garage's shirt.
really? feels like the p*tagonia is the only piece of clothing I've seen him wear as much or more
I wanted to know what a fellow Arby’s beef and cheddar enthusiast and a BMW apologist think about cars so I subscribed.
What’s your thoughts of the nautilus vs the edge titanium from Ford
Nice to know 75 year old people can enjoy the audio system
4:10 LMFAO yup! I’m 23 and I’ve honestly never heard anyone in my age group talk about Lincoln products.
Same, I was the only one talking about the Continental
Your age group isn’t buying $68k cars. My age group (50) tends to like Lincoln but dislike the “grandparent” car vibe. Plus, for $62K I can have the BMW X3 M40. Now, 2 or 3 years from now when the Lincoln is used with low miles makes more sense at say $38K.
I'm in the targeted age group of this thing, and I never hear anybody talk about Lincolns either, other than what an unreliable POS for the money.
@@johnz8210 Your brain must be like your bollocks, blue, itchy and under stimulated.
You guys hit the nail on the head as far as the market. That car is for a very specific demographic the elders who want luxury and quiet, but America branded .
It’s priced high but the people in that market have the retirement money and pensions to buy it and feel like they are maintaining their “loyalty” .
The only issue I have isn’t with the car but rather, that market they are shooting for will be gone and require electricity or something different. My point, If this was an EV , it would be right in the sweep spot.
A luxury competitor with their own Mach e and have a bit of the performance pointed at the German models. I guess time will tell with these but I’m guessing golf courses and limo lots at the airport will be filled with these.
Great video !
perfect timing! my dad just got one of these as a company car and I was wondering if savagegeese made a video on one of these
Music and editing were top notch this video
there's two bigger Lincoln SUVs with the Aviator and Navigator, so does this really compete with the X5 and Q7 rather than being a step below? Is it that big?
I would have said it's a Q5 competitor. It's not as big as the Q7. The X5 is definitely in its category.
I'd buy one. Not the 68G version. But i enjoyed test driving it. I think it's a handsome looking SUV.
How many golf bags can you put in it?
Thank you for the honesty at 8 minutes.
1:04 is the stitching on the dash where it curves really that crooked? It looks C8-level of messed up. And white steering wheel... It's like Lincoln is specifically targeting their cars towards third owner subprime car loan 110k miles with collapsed rear suspension crowd.
American auto makers seem to always have fitment,/fit and finish issues, GM is among the worse before it has bad symmetry and fit and finish with panel gaps also
This is their compact crossover-competing with the X3, Q5, GLC, RDX, upcoming GV70 and the like. The Aviator is their midsize SUV-the X5, GLE, etc. competitor.
Ya that’s what I was thinking too. Also Jack kept butchering the name. They didn’t really care for this car hence how short the video is.
the thing is that at $68k as it was equipped here, it competes with the X5, GLE, Q7, XC90.
@@AnontheGOAT yeah, not even an acceleration test.
@@ProbeGT2 Yup. And nothing really on the driving impressions.
Actually their compact crossover is the Corsair. This competes with two row mid sized luxury crossovers.
I do like the steering color combination....
Why are you guys comparing the Nautilus to the Audi Q7 Volvo Xc90 and BMW X5. The direct competition Lincoln is targeting the Lexus RX350, Cadillac XT5 and maybe the Audi Q5. Do you see where I'm going, two row crossovers in the luxury line. After renting a Nautilus, I would definitely buy one, because I'm not looking for it to be and X5 with an M package.
My problem with this review is you only base your review on the black label model. I can purchase almost all the same luxury in the Nautilus Reserve model for significantly less than a Q7 or X5. You're comparing the top level Nautilus with other entry level priced (much more expensive) luxury vehicles.
Lincoln really pick up the game! Very impressed interior
Savagegeese is the only channel that can tell when I'm high
Simultaneously named after a mollusk, a piece of home fitness equipment, and a fictional submarine.
my first question is why couldn't ford move the door mirrors to the door on the edge as they have here on the lincoln?
it makes for a far better vision.
I can't see any problems with white seatbelts showing dirt over time, can you?
I'd take a Genesis GV80 over this all day even though it wasn't mentioned.
The GV80 is more similarly sized with the Nautilus than the Acura MDX which only comes in 3 rows. It's also similarly priced when equipped similarly. The Lexus RX350, Infiniti QX60 and Volvo XC90 weren't mentioned either and are better options (and less expensive) as well...
GV 80 is 15-20k more with V6 in Canada.
Didn't know Lincolns were this pricey! Wild to think you can get a well equipped X5 for the same money
I hope the Lincoln bean counters are listening. Interesting video review, thanks guys...j
A new Era has arrived for savegeese channel!!!!!
Mark hit the nail right on the head. The buyers will be those who prefer an American brand for sure.
Relax and detangle in the _Knotless._ 😛
Unwind, even.
More like Nutless
Why compare this two row vehicle's cargo space with 3 row crossovers from Audi and Volvo which are considerably longer?
@savagegeese Can you review the new Kia Carnival? I would love to hear which minivan would you recommend today between the Sienna, Pacifica, Odyssey or New Carnival.
I agree with them on the 2.7 in the edge/Nautilus. I don't know what Ford did with the tuning on this vehicle, but the same engine in the F150 feels way more powerful, with almost no lag. Only reason I can think of is the trans, diff, transaxle can't handle the true power of the 2.7
the 2.7 in the f150 has different internal components as well compared to the 2.7 in. the Nautilus and edge.
So if Jack gets the presentation is y'all professional face forward but if is Mark is Savage mode.🤣
You buy a Nautilus because it is the single most comfortable vehicle to ride in short of a Rolls. Better than Audi, better than Lexus on that front. A lot of people like Volvo seats as the best in the business, these are better.
Win win for low NVH and couch ride. I wonder if the Genesis G80 has a softer ride?
That intro went hard
Shit slapped fr
Hey guys do you know anything about the rumor that the Nautilus will be soon discontinued?
Any value in the lower trims? 68 for this seems insane. Feels small too. And at least Jack didn't say 'Naughtylist'.
The new two row JGC Summit Reserve is 69k with the hemi.
Loaded GV80 is going for 68k -70k as well with 365hp twin turbo V6. Both are better options in my opinion. The JGC can be had in lower luxury trims as well from 55k-65k.
My man in the final thoughts.
Mr.Geese, Is the Revel 14 speaker system Corsair as good as the 17 speaker Revel Ultima in the Nautilus?
Are the 18 way seats in the Nautilus as good as the Corsairs 22 way adjustable seats?
I'm looking at the Nautilus grand touring PHEV or Nautilus black label.
It's 19 in the Nautilus, and it's definitely better (I have been in both)
@@citayshow big of an improvement was the ultima over the base revel system?
I mean can get the $6850 credit on the Corsair due to it being PHEV, plus employee pricing and incentives on top.
I'd get a better deal on the Corsair grand touring than Nautilus.
@@barbecuetechtips6024 I mean I would definitely sit in both for 30 minutes at least and test with similar songs, definitely mess with the eq a bit and the different surround settings.
Personally, I think it's much better, the base Revel system is still very solid, but the Ultima system is one of the very best factory systems on market.
@@citays thanks for the input on this. I'll put some test songs on a flash drive and see which subjectively sound better back to back.
I'll look over the measurements by savagegeese.
@@barbecuetechtips6024 Yeah, I'd recommend running Tidal, Qobuz, or Amazon Music HD off your phone as well, (USB not BT)