The best Type R is THE Type R-the EK. Both the EK and the DC Type Rs took that fun factor and turned it up to 11. It was pure performance. Definitely not fast these days, but just fun to drive, just like you said. Damn it, I miss the 90s.
@@peopleschampgarage7869 when compared to, say, the K20A, absolutely. But back in the day it was hot shit. In fact, the K series was born from what the B did right and made better. Call me a fanboy, but high revving, NA B series engine are cool. Not that powerful, and with their own issues, sure, but cool.
Re: "fake" vents in fk8: 1. OEM stock fk8 side fender vents are real: ua-cam.com/video/K-7VNI4PfU0/v-deo.html 2. Front placeholder fk8 vents can facilitate front facing turbo mounts in fk8: ua-cam.com/video/M_xla8Q8ics/v-deo.html
You're spot on here. The new civics are almost indistinguishable from other cars; they're basically Accords. The 10th gen Civic lineup was great. I loved the styling - the most Batmobile car I've ever seen.
IMO this design works as a great blank canvas for custom aftermarket parts. It's not too aggressive so you can customize the looks a lot more. If you want it to look as aggressive as the FK8 again, you probably can eventually. But going the other way around (toning the looks down) is harder to do. Honestly, we are lucky that we're still getting a new generation of Type Rs with the EV cloud looming ahead.
I absolutely love listening to people, and all over the internet, talk about how simple and generic this looks etc, when obviously with the exception of the FK2 and FK8, all previous Type Rs were very restrained, and what these same people today would call “plain” and “generic”. I can almost guarantee, without time and the followings that now have been built around these famous Type Rs like the EK and DC2/5, these same people would have called them boring. If you want a Gundam Type R, get an FK8.
I absolutely love the new type r and I feel like Honda really focused on the enthusiasts with it. Full wide body, functional venting and cooling throughout, square 265s. Kind of like the earlier type r’s, toned down style but focused on all of the functional essentials. If you want it more aggressive, they’ll be an aftermarket for that. It’s first car from Honda in years I’m actually excited about.
I concur. I've seen some people complaining about the styling but I think its the best since the ek. All of the beloved 90's sports cars had pretty subdued styling, which I think is a crucial reason why tailoring them to ones specific taste through aftermarket upgrades has always been so fun
Honda lost it's way after 2011 in my honest opinion. They're to worried about competing in the mid size SUV market world wide, that their "fun to drive/engaging" vehicles have been put on the back burner. There is something to be desired about those 80s, 90s, early 2000s "shitboxes" that feel like there trying to kill you by revving to the moon, and you feel every bump and rattle. I feel like they could have taken the previous fk8 and the new TypeR both, and put a more aggressive cam, higher compression, and a more advanced fuel system, and made a 280-300 hp (crank) NA car that revs to 8k+ pretty easily. I mean 300hp at the crank translates to 255-260whp and I think with modern technology that would be pretty obtainable and reliable for Honda.
I appreciate your opinion on this car.. for someone that owned a 2001 Integra type r and the 2020 Type R, i feel Honda is doing just fine. I think the cars are moving with technology. I think we have to try and remember the cars today are better. Faster, better handling, bigger wheels and brakes, Turbo standard on everything. They are simply better cars.. it’s still A Type R for what it stands for in Honda’s line up. I know we all love the old cars and high revving. And yes they were more grounded. But handled worse, very slow and no tech. I just think it’s interesting that most of us want worse cars lol. They don’t meet emissions anymore or fuel economy, they simply can’t make cars like that anymore because Earth isn’t in the position to do so. I for one know when we all see it in person, we will all want one. It’s really the best Type R ever made, but i feel people think the “best” isn’t that fun. The imperfect ones are better. Yes the RR is delicious, but this Type R will gap it and out handle it 10 fold. People just love nostalgia i think more than anything. I get it. I’ll take the New Type R.
It’s mostly people that can’t even get the car in the first place. I’ve swapped and had a lot of 90’s Hondas. They don’t compare to my fk8. I agree with you on this one. I’d take a new type R any day of the week
Bang on commentary. I wouldn't trade my EM1 for anything built after it. Its a real shame that this is where we have ended up after all these years. Unfortunately Honda's lack of emotion has leaked into their motorcycles for the last decade also. Really hoping they will come to thier senses soon...until then I will continue to hoard my 90's cars and late 00's bikes.
I’m interested to know what you mean? If you mean a 2,500lb 160hp NA B16 2 door Civic, then yeah Honda nor the rest of the automotive world is going back to that.
Honda had to move with the times to match the competition. You can’t dwell on the past. The FK8 had the Fwd record on the Nurburgring when it was released and that’s an achievement. If Honda were producing EP3’s and DC5’s now then they would be a laughing stock. Those cars are great from there eras but would not sell for Honda with todays stiff competition.
You are spot on. Finally someone honest about how boring this car. No more WOW effect, just another car now. FK8 is still the best and most unique style type R their is. Thank you for being Honest!!
Honda needs to do a modern version of 90s civics. You know how Dodge did the Charger and Ford Mustangs. I think that would be a great modernized version of the era we all love
Maybe I am a rare one but over all I love the look of the 11th Gen Civic over the 10th. Fake vents, overly stylized lines, and etc. I like the Look of the 11th Gen. It looks very European, but it looks like car that has grown up with its audience over the years. Compared to the look of the previous Type R, I would take the 11th gen every time. Now I am an ED/EF person as I own two CRXes and which that we would have received a Type R in that body style. But the first Type R Civic is still my favorite design of all of the Type R Civics.
Agree with every word. The final Civic Type R should have been a celebration of the brand but instead the styling is a testament to the public’s mediocrity. A Type R should be a flagship for Honda and should be styled accordingly.
The words of a true Honda guy...that part when you said the reviewers , the reviewers are killing cars left right and center. toyota is fighting down to the last and kia and the boys ? this is their 90's them fuckers are doing wtf they wanna .... .I have said it once and im o say it again , Honda has never given us a true type r and the after market has proven it . all honda has done is given us parts to keep the ek's and eg's alive just a bit longer , just a lil bit faster .
Glad to see a honest review we know it will be reliable simple and perform well. And talking to a lot of older guys when the og type r came out say it was simple and nothing special to look at. But for me Hondas have been a great cheap entry level sports car that was still reliable. It seems Toyota seems to know what we want and Nissan is making a good effort. But this for sure is giving me 7th gen vibes
FK8 owner here, TBH the new FL5 chassis is most likely for a different audience and nothing wrong with it. Personally I wouldn't give up my 10th gen for the 11th. The 11th just doesn't have that cool factor, you see an FK8 from a mile away you know exactly what it is.
Ngl at first I wasnt feeling the new ctr at all. And it had me sick because they ruined the new teggy as well. But the ctr def growing on me. I think it will age well
Good Vid.... I gotta disagree tho..... I honestly love the FK8 CTR it was bold in your face but it started to get tired because it always lacked creativity on the aftermarket kits , this FL5 CTR is Clean.... nice subtle cues that can be a great platform to go wild..... I search and look at the renderings and I think this car and the market will go crazy. I do respect what you said about making a AWD version would have been dope but we all know the overall philosophy ( except the s2k ) .... the cars motto.... FWD and honestly speaking that is what made me fall in love with all Hondas
ITS SHIT JUST SAY ITS SHIT THE SHIT IS DUMB WE ALL WANT A DOPE 2 DOOR BUT THEY KEEP GIVING US THE SAME CARS WITH SWAPPED FRONT ENDS ITS DUMB THIS CAR SUCKS AND THEY HAVENT MADE A DOPE FUN CAR SINCE THE S2000 THERE I SAID WHAT YALL WANTED THIS TYPE R IS A DISGRACE TO ALL HONDA ENTHUSIASTS!!
Crazy to me how people are upset by the more reserved look of the new type r.......the ogs itr and ctr had other than color....very subtle body changes to denote the type r status.....seems like this new one is a call back to that and less of the boy racer bullshit of the last generation
Very very good points, I didn't actually look at it that way. I was one, that totally appreciated that it was less "fake". But, looking at it again while listening to this. I see how it's almost reserved. Held back from what it absolutely could have been. Crazy to think.
I'm with you, it looks very accord ish, the type r is meant to be aggressive, rigid suspension, seam welded chassis, high revving engine, amazing drivers feel, Honda has lost there way and are only looking at it from a $$$ standpoint. It looks so plain Jane now anybody will buy it. The fk8 had such aggressive styling that it wasn't appealing to "normies."
In many ways I can’t argue with your points, but I’ll say this-as an enthusiast who got his first Honda in 1991 (whose mom’s first Honda was an ‘83 Civic) there isn’t a Civic, post EG, that interested me until this new Type R. Literally, everything after the EG is mundane and boring, including the EK. The previous Type R (FK8?) looks like it was targeted at teenagers. The new Type R looks like it was designed for adults, and I guess that’s why it appeals to me.
I like the 11th gen TypeR over the previous for sure. The FK8 would've been hot from the factory if they employed Spoon to design the rear end and wing. Which by the way, in terms of design it looks like Honda took some notes from Spoon with the 11th gen if you didn't notice (toned down rear bumper and wing). Also as you mentioned, they improved the cooling and its made in Japan. So yeah I think its better than the FK8 in every way. I still prefer the 90s Hondas though..
YUP I AGREE, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING AND BEEN VOCALS ABOUT IT IN SOCIAL MEDIA. ITS REALLY TO EACH HIS OWN. IM JUST SO GLAD AND MORE SURE NOW THAN EVER TO KEEP MY 21 BB FK8. THE ORIGINAL AGGRESSIVE DESIGN THAT WORKS AND "DOESNT CARE WHAT WILL OTHER PEOPLE THINK" MENTALITY. THE FK8 IS GOING TO BE A LEGENDARY CAR SOMEDAY, MARK MY WORDS !!!
love the ep3 platform , I have a k24a2 with the k20a2 head with a drag cartel 3.2 head package s2k oil pump gram 1000 cc injectors ktuned 72 mm tb rbc intake shaved to match tb kept the 5 speed (boost later) add lsd of course and stage 2 clutch and light flywheel type s front knuckles and axels wit h the bigger breaks a skunk 2 2.75 exhaust with ktuned header ect so much to list lol
My problem with each new generation of Honda is weight. TypeR comes in at an insane 3199 pounds with a US 316hp. Decide 316 into 3199 and you will get your power to weight ratio. My current 95 coupe build should tip the scales at 2100 and produce 550hp with little effort. It's just hard to justify the cost of the new TypeR. I'm probably bias because I can't afford a new TypeR lol😅😅😅
There’s really no pleasing anyone here. Some will say it’s too generic compared to the FK8, some will say thank God it’s less OTT. Personally, I prefer the FL5 but hey, whatever you prefer is cool.
For me the design is almost perfect just a few small details that I would like to change like the badge supposed to be stickers like the previous type r and I suggest they should remove the type r badge in the front because you already have the type r badge in the interior and also the seats should remove the logo at the back and if I have one I would change a recaro red seats pole position then change the rims into modulo or mugen white wheels that is possible to have in the jdm market and a spoon dampers and springs and that’s my taste. The missing part also is they should had the electronic brake change into handbrake
Cool Jetta. Let me guess no VTEC, mini turbo, 197.889 hp and 111 trq. and 3600 lbs. We don't need more 4 door numb dumb cars. 1998 2.3L VTEC 5 speed Accord here.
I didn’t think I was going to this new type r since I don’t like the current civic but for some reason those wider fenders are setting it off car looks amazing to me.
I will always say, the racing pedigree that honda had is gone... with being said, honda/acura is getting mopped across the floor by Nissan and Toyota and I think this Type R is a panic moment and the thought, care and attention to detail took a backseat. But thats what I THINK.
Excellent video!!!!🔥🔥 Fl5 is reasonably quite toned down.👎👎 Albeit, it's intriguing that it seems it was designed by a female named Yuki Ishii. (11th gen civic sedan designer)
Yeah the king nose hood make it look like a mini station wagon. The fk8 gundam had better styling IMO. But the Em1,dc2,eg,ef,ek,da is where it’s at though. More sentimental value with the 90s versions.
I love all the different viewpoints. I understand with the sense of these newer cars and newer technology comes with making the car more stable, comfortable, and capable. Despite the rattles/rawness/“discrepancies”…that’s what gave character. We won’t ever have that again because who wants a new car that’s not comfortable, modern, etc. Bit in the other side, give us something that makes it feel like Honda. Like you said, if Honda had an NA high revving engine…all Honda enthusiasts would get dibs. I’ve always been a Honda/Acura head since I was a kid and it’s sad to see the brand diminish. I can hardly tell an audi/civic/Kia/Hyundai apart sometimes. They all look the same. Lol I do agree the new type r is a bit matured and has its really cool features but I feel like it would be numb. It just has a type r badge…I do like the fk8 and I’m sure it’s a blast to drive but I can’t get past the way it sounds. I will forever love a high reviving NA engine with a nasty crossover. Lol idk I’m back and forth with this new gen. The spoon render of the 11th gen looks real good and Im excited to see the aftermarket side for bumpers/side skirts/etc. Hopefully future Honda/Acura will create something the enthusiast will be ecstatic about. Go back to the roots…
11th gen civic just looks like an accord now.. and basically the same size. Type r looks ok, but I just can't get behind the factory turbo engines. Im just an all motor golden age honda enthusiast i guess.
The 11th gen civic doesn't look like a civic, i kept thinking it is an Accord every time I see one on the road. Honda main goal in making the 2023 Type R is mainly for performance so any gimmicky features was put out. The 10th gen civic R design was mainly catering to young racer fan boy who likes body kit with big spoilers kind of look which is a turn off for the reviewers not like they're going to buy it anyway.
Called my local Honda dealership last week. Wanted to order a manual civic. They told me there were so few manuals produced that I was unlikely to get it built to my specs or anytime soon if at all. Bummer
I think the civic has lost a lot of character over the years but I like this very much compared to the last type r that looked really over-the-top. I have an 8th gen sedan.
Honda really missed an opportunity man. The FKx chassis is the guy at the bar who will start a fight, the FLx chassis is the guy who just wants to go home
Agree for sure - but I'm not sure an automatic / electric car will ever do it for me at all. The looks are fantastic, but in the end I might ask well catch the bus if the fun factor of a manual is removed.
Designed, Tested , Assembled in J A P A N That is all folks. The FL5 is the evolution of the FK8 which was already an amazing machine. The future will have emotionless cars. Enjoy this fellas. Honda ( always conservative) is still making an improved world class Type R. Engineers made this car, not bean counters. Type R stands for RACING! The FL5 will be a Legend on the track. No doubt
This is exactly the same way I felt when I first saw it🤦🏻♂️ It looks like a family sedan with a wing in the back to make it look sporty, and the inside looks like a bmw🤷🏻♂️
Honestly you have to look at it from a 2023 Auto show room perspective. If they make standalone chassis then it won’t be a civic anymore n honda doesn’t care anymore about Real racing Japanese OG . plus people these days don’t care about what is it or how much power it has or where it came from. As long as it drives good n good on gas. The automotive industry is going onto the Movie Demolition man…..electrical and they all look the same.
Why don’t Honda look at the aftermarket world. Re create a retro body style. Like bring back the ek. Special edition retro ek return for a limited time. Give the community another ek and see how well it sells.
Love my First gen CR-V nothing like chucking a wagon around with double wishbone suspension it’s sad a pedestrian suv has more soul than the McPherson strutpocalypse cars
Talking sporty cars First it was the civic that sold great The most newer sports car is the BRZ, frs, they sold like crazy I was surprised but since then even the newer BRZ sold great, because they looked good, but the engine is honestly poorly designed in brz appeal is really want people like to look sleek and defined contoured edge, the civic line started to decrease because I think they were focusing more on building a efficient car rather then appealing, they've always been a engine company at heart, Race car Engeering is just not in their priority because statically it cost them more to build just to satisfy a small fraction of consumers and especially when their is a recession they audit every aspect of their business and make decisions wisely, Ain't no point in trying to build a Ultimate driving machine when the people that want them can't afford it,
9th gens are getting more expected as ppl are finding out that the k20 head swap is not as hard as once thought. Also, turbo’d 9th gen are beast especially their single port exit
Finally someone says something honest about the type r for the last 4 year I thought I was on an Island when it came to Hondas opinion anyway is not like I can afford one wright know if I could I would already had one though
Yeah ! I definitely agree with you about the looks compared to FK8. All of the racy Type R looks is GONE ! It really looks so generic. Even the interior looks so dull and boring. Looks like it came straight from Golf ! But on the other hand they really really improved the infotainment system. It got alot alot better. That's for sure. The performance is improved as well. That's definitely a big plus !
I like it.. I'm more for the smooth lines... reminds me more of the 90's hondas. The only real gripe I have about it is the spoiler mounting.. It kinda feels like you stuck an OEM wing on an aftermarket mount.
The new Type R just looks boring. It's not a car I look at and say "I can't wait to drive it". I just hope the after market scene makes some awesome body kits to make it look more aggressive or something. Make it look more pleasing to the eye and stand out more.
I have to unsubscribe because I lost my EM1 I can't see another civic build because it hurts that my car got into a accident and its gone loved your content
The best Type R is THE Type R-the EK. Both the EK and the DC Type Rs took that fun factor and turned it up to 11. It was pure performance. Definitely not fast these days, but just fun to drive, just like you said. Damn it, I miss the 90s.
Bruh, b16b is a trash ass torque less motor. Throw that shit in the dumpster
@@peopleschampgarage7869 when compared to, say, the K20A, absolutely. But back in the day it was hot shit. In fact, the K series was born from what the B did right and made better. Call me a fanboy, but high revving, NA B series engine are cool. Not that powerful, and with their own issues, sure, but cool.
@@peopleschampgarage7869 i had a blast with the B16B, definitely felt faster then the HP it was rated for, it was a destroke b18c engine thats all..
@@peopleschampgarage7869 yeah no, my b16b is an absolute blast to drive. More fun having to drive a car than having it drive for you
Re: "fake" vents in fk8:
1. OEM stock fk8 side fender vents are real:
ua-cam.com/video/K-7VNI4PfU0/v-deo.html
2. Front placeholder fk8 vents can facilitate front facing turbo mounts in fk8:
ua-cam.com/video/M_xla8Q8ics/v-deo.html
You're spot on here. The new civics are almost indistinguishable from other cars; they're basically Accords.
The 10th gen Civic lineup was great. I loved the styling - the most Batmobile car I've ever seen.
No one was super concerned with how “fast” a 90’s ITR was/is. It is just a blast of a car to drive, just like the GSR, EGs and EKs/EM1s.
IMO this design works as a great blank canvas for custom aftermarket parts. It's not too aggressive so you can customize the looks a lot more. If you want it to look as aggressive as the FK8 again, you probably can eventually. But going the other way around (toning the looks down) is harder to do. Honestly, we are lucky that we're still getting a new generation of Type Rs with the EV cloud looming ahead.
I do like the new type r, looks better then the 10th gen type r.. But nothing compares to the fun of the 1992-2000 civics swap and boosted.
Sad we never got a fast version of fit with K series
Bulkhead was too thin and the firewall was not safe with a k series. Same went for the cr-z thats why they never got it.
Always thought of that too. Should of made an SI version of the fit with a k
I absolutely love listening to people, and all over the internet, talk about how simple and generic this looks etc, when obviously with the exception of the FK2 and FK8, all previous Type Rs were very restrained, and what these same people today would call “plain” and “generic”. I can almost guarantee, without time and the followings that now have been built around these famous Type Rs like the EK and DC2/5, these same people would have called them boring. If you want a Gundam Type R, get an FK8.
I absolutely love the new type r and I feel like Honda really focused on the enthusiasts with it. Full wide body, functional venting and cooling throughout, square 265s. Kind of like the earlier type r’s, toned down style but focused on all of the functional essentials. If you want it more aggressive, they’ll be an aftermarket for that. It’s first car from Honda in years I’m actually excited about.
I concur. I've seen some people complaining about the styling but I think its the best since the ek. All of the beloved 90's sports cars had pretty subdued styling, which I think is a crucial reason why tailoring them to ones specific taste through aftermarket upgrades has always been so fun
The sedan looks better than the type r. The 90s Hondas are the best. I too like the ep3.
I own 5 Honda's...I refuse to buy another new Honda until Hatch and Coupe Civics return.
Honestly wish they'd bring back the Accord type R and make the Civic smaller.
Honda lost it's way after 2011 in my honest opinion. They're to worried about competing in the mid size SUV market world wide, that their "fun to drive/engaging" vehicles have been put on the back burner. There is something to be desired about those 80s, 90s, early 2000s "shitboxes" that feel like there trying to kill you by revving to the moon, and you feel every bump and rattle. I feel like they could have taken the previous fk8 and the new TypeR both, and put a more aggressive cam, higher compression, and a more advanced fuel system, and made a 280-300 hp (crank) NA car that revs to 8k+ pretty easily. I mean 300hp at the crank translates to 255-260whp and I think with modern technology that would be pretty obtainable and reliable for Honda.
This car will sell alot... it looks great... the Fk8 look like it was made for a 12 yr
I appreciate your opinion on this car.. for someone that owned a 2001 Integra type r and the 2020 Type R, i feel Honda is doing just fine. I think the cars are moving with technology. I think we have to try and remember the cars today are better. Faster, better handling, bigger wheels and brakes, Turbo standard on everything. They are simply better cars.. it’s still A Type R for what it stands for in Honda’s line up. I know we all love the old cars and high revving. And yes they were more grounded. But handled worse, very slow and no tech. I just think it’s interesting that most of us want worse cars lol. They don’t meet emissions anymore or fuel economy, they simply can’t make cars like that anymore because Earth isn’t in the position to do so. I for one know when we all see it in person, we will all want one. It’s really the best Type R ever made, but i feel people think the “best” isn’t that fun. The imperfect ones are better. Yes the RR is delicious, but this Type R will gap it and out handle it 10 fold. People just love nostalgia i think more than anything. I get it. I’ll take the New Type R.
It’s mostly people that can’t even get the car in the first place. I’ve swapped and had a lot of 90’s Hondas. They don’t compare to my fk8. I agree with you on this one. I’d take a new type R any day of the week
Bang on commentary. I wouldn't trade my EM1 for anything built after it. Its a real shame that this is where we have ended up after all these years. Unfortunately Honda's lack of emotion has leaked into their motorcycles for the last decade also. Really hoping they will come to thier senses soon...until then I will continue to hoard my 90's cars and late 00's bikes.
I’m interested to know what you mean? If you mean a 2,500lb 160hp NA B16 2 door Civic, then yeah Honda nor the rest of the automotive world is going back to that.
I love my 90’s Hondas, but they don’t compare to my fk8. Have you ever driven one to even judge? I bet you would change your mind
Honda had to move with the times to match the competition. You can’t dwell on the past. The FK8 had the Fwd record on the Nurburgring when it was released and that’s an achievement. If Honda were producing EP3’s and DC5’s now then they would be a laughing stock. Those cars are great from there eras but would not sell for Honda with todays stiff competition.
the car looks good af why is everyone butthurt
Kinda sad that some people see Type-R more as a styling aesthetic than a craft of performance driving dynamics...
Not a fan honestly honda lost there grove after the 8 Gen MY OPINION
I love my 04 EP3, 04 EM2 and miss Honda's Civic Hatch/Coupe lineup!
Honda is doing just fine. They are making great cars till this day! Drive a new type R and then make an honest opinion. I bet you would want one
You are spot on. Finally someone honest about how boring this car. No more WOW effect, just another car now. FK8 is still the best and most unique style type R their is. Thank you for being Honest!!
Gonna be $55k with mark up/accessories so doesn't matter tbh in my world at least
Honda needs to do a modern version of 90s civics. You know how Dodge did the Charger and Ford Mustangs. I think that would be a great modernized version of the era we all love
As soon as I noticed that strand of hair, on His left side, just dangling out there i couldnt focus on anything else, lolol
To me ,,,the FK8 is my favorite,,it has character,,no matter what anyone says. Everyone has a choice 😎💪
Maybe I am a rare one but over all I love the look of the 11th Gen Civic over the 10th. Fake vents, overly stylized lines, and etc. I like the Look of the 11th Gen. It looks very European, but it looks like car that has grown up with its audience over the years. Compared to the look of the previous Type R, I would take the 11th gen every time. Now I am an ED/EF person as I own two CRXes and which that we would have received a Type R in that body style. But the first Type R Civic is still my favorite design of all of the Type R Civics.
I agree looks better with out the overtly crazy useless styling
Agree with every word. The final Civic Type R should have been a celebration of the brand but instead the styling is a testament to the public’s mediocrity. A Type R should be a flagship for Honda and should be styled accordingly.
The words of a true Honda guy...that part when you said the reviewers , the reviewers are killing cars left right and center. toyota is fighting down to the last and kia and the boys ? this is their 90's them fuckers are doing wtf they wanna .... .I have said it once and im o say it again , Honda has never given us a true type r and the after market has proven it . all honda has done is given us parts to keep the ek's and eg's alive just a bit longer , just a lil bit faster .
Best articulation of this side of the argument.
Glad to see a honest review we know it will be reliable simple and perform well. And talking to a lot of older guys when the og type r came out say it was simple and nothing special to look at. But for me Hondas have been a great cheap entry level sports car that was still reliable. It seems Toyota seems to know what we want and Nissan is making a good effort. But this for sure is giving me 7th gen vibes
FK8 owner here, TBH the new FL5 chassis is most likely for a different audience and nothing wrong with it. Personally I wouldn't give up my 10th gen for the 11th. The 11th just doesn't have that cool factor, you see an FK8 from a mile away you know exactly what it is.
Ngl at first I wasnt feeling the new ctr at all. And it had me sick because they ruined the new teggy as well. But the ctr def growing on me. I think it will age well
Good Vid.... I gotta disagree tho..... I honestly love the FK8 CTR it was bold in your face but it started to get tired because it always lacked creativity on the aftermarket kits , this FL5 CTR is Clean.... nice subtle cues that can be a great platform to go wild..... I search and look at the renderings and I think this car and the market will go crazy. I do respect what you said about making a AWD version would have been dope but we all know the overall philosophy ( except the s2k ) .... the cars motto.... FWD and honestly speaking that is what made me fall in love with all Hondas
Maybe not the best ever made but could be one worth buying. But the gr corrola sounds insane
If it ain’t a Type R it ain’t a tight car🎶
ITS SHIT JUST SAY ITS SHIT THE SHIT IS DUMB WE ALL WANT A DOPE 2 DOOR BUT THEY KEEP GIVING US THE SAME CARS WITH SWAPPED FRONT ENDS ITS DUMB THIS CAR SUCKS AND THEY HAVENT MADE A DOPE FUN CAR SINCE THE S2000 THERE I SAID WHAT YALL WANTED THIS TYPE R IS A DISGRACE TO ALL HONDA ENTHUSIASTS!!
Crazy to me how people are upset by the more reserved look of the new type r.......the ogs itr and ctr had other than color....very subtle body changes to denote the type r status.....seems like this new one is a call back to that and less of the boy racer bullshit of the last generation
Yes
TypeR gen 11 living Legend ♥️♥️♥️🎌🎌🎌
I really like this one. I’m gonna try to buy one . It’s a better design than the last one to me. I love the understated looks.
Very very good points, I didn't actually look at it that way. I was one, that totally appreciated that it was less "fake". But, looking at it again while listening to this. I see how it's almost reserved. Held back from what it absolutely could have been. Crazy to think.
I'm with you, it looks very accord ish, the type r is meant to be aggressive, rigid suspension, seam welded chassis, high revving engine, amazing drivers feel, Honda has lost there way and are only looking at it from a $$$ standpoint. It looks so plain Jane now anybody will buy it. The fk8 had such aggressive styling that it wasn't appealing to "normies."
In many ways I can’t argue with your points, but I’ll say this-as an enthusiast who got his first Honda in 1991 (whose mom’s first Honda was an ‘83 Civic) there isn’t a Civic, post EG, that interested me until this new Type R. Literally, everything after the EG is mundane and boring, including the EK. The previous Type R (FK8?) looks like it was targeted at teenagers. The new Type R looks like it was designed for adults, and I guess that’s why it appeals to me.
💯 With you , have to wait to see how it feels. If it feels numb, no thx. Stick to my oldies 👍🐐
I like the 11th gen TypeR over the previous for sure. The FK8 would've been hot from the factory if they employed Spoon to design the rear end and wing. Which by the way, in terms of design it looks like Honda took some notes from Spoon with the 11th gen if you didn't notice (toned down rear bumper and wing). Also as you mentioned, they improved the cooling and its made in Japan. So yeah I think its better than the FK8 in every way. I still prefer the 90s Hondas though..
YUP I AGREE, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING AND BEEN VOCALS ABOUT IT IN SOCIAL MEDIA. ITS REALLY TO EACH HIS OWN. IM JUST SO GLAD AND MORE SURE NOW THAN EVER TO KEEP MY 21 BB FK8. THE ORIGINAL AGGRESSIVE DESIGN THAT WORKS AND "DOESNT CARE WHAT WILL OTHER PEOPLE THINK" MENTALITY. THE FK8 IS GOING TO BE A LEGENDARY CAR SOMEDAY, MARK MY WORDS !!!
love the ep3 platform , I have a k24a2 with the k20a2 head with a drag cartel 3.2 head package s2k oil pump gram 1000 cc injectors ktuned 72 mm tb rbc intake shaved to match tb kept the 5 speed (boost later) add lsd of course and stage 2 clutch and light flywheel type s front knuckles and axels wit h the bigger breaks a skunk 2 2.75 exhaust with ktuned header ect so much to list lol
My problem with each new generation of Honda is weight. TypeR comes in at an insane 3199 pounds with a US 316hp. Decide 316 into 3199 and you will get your power to weight ratio. My current 95 coupe build should tip the scales at 2100 and produce 550hp with little effort. It's just hard to justify the cost of the new TypeR. I'm probably bias because I can't afford a new TypeR lol😅😅😅
There’s really no pleasing anyone here. Some will say it’s too generic compared to the FK8, some will say thank God it’s less OTT. Personally, I prefer the FL5 but hey, whatever you prefer is cool.
Ek are better than fk9
My first new car was a 7th gen, it's sophisticated looking i liked it!
dude. you hit the nail on the fkn head!!! great ass points been made.
For me the design is almost perfect just a few small details that I would like to change like the badge supposed to be stickers like the previous type r and I suggest they should remove the type r badge in the front because you already have the type r badge in the interior and also the seats should remove the logo at the back and if I have one I would change a recaro red seats pole position then change the rims into modulo or mugen white wheels that is possible to have in the jdm market and a spoon dampers and springs and that’s my taste. The missing part also is they should had the electronic brake change into handbrake
Cool Jetta. Let me guess no VTEC, mini turbo, 197.889 hp and 111 trq. and 3600 lbs. We don't need more 4 door numb dumb cars. 1998 2.3L VTEC 5 speed Accord here.
I didn’t think I was going to this new type r since I don’t like the current civic but for some reason those wider fenders are setting it off car looks amazing to me.
Great video. Awesome point of view. 👍🏼
I think they should revamp the ek chassis and make it safer. Make it have better tech and give k series options or even a j series.
They should called it the integra type R and made a more aggressive looking civic typeR
I will always say, the racing pedigree that honda had is gone... with being said, honda/acura is getting mopped across the floor by Nissan and Toyota and I think this Type R is a panic moment and the thought, care and attention to detail took a backseat. But thats what I THINK.
Excellent video!!!!🔥🔥
Fl5 is reasonably quite toned down.👎👎
Albeit, it's intriguing that it seems it was designed by a female named Yuki Ishii. (11th gen civic sedan designer)
Yeah the king nose hood make it look like a mini station wagon. The fk8 gundam had better styling IMO. But the Em1,dc2,eg,ef,ek,da is where it’s at though. More sentimental value with the 90s versions.
I had an ep3 it was fun just under powered
I love all the different viewpoints. I understand with the sense of these newer cars and newer technology comes with making the car more stable, comfortable, and capable. Despite the rattles/rawness/“discrepancies”…that’s what gave character. We won’t ever have that again because who wants a new car that’s not comfortable, modern, etc. Bit in the other side, give us something that makes it feel like Honda. Like you said, if Honda had an NA high revving engine…all Honda enthusiasts would get dibs. I’ve always been a Honda/Acura head since I was a kid and it’s sad to see the brand diminish. I can hardly tell an audi/civic/Kia/Hyundai apart sometimes. They all look the same. Lol I do agree the new type r is a bit matured and has its really cool features but I feel like it would be numb. It just has a type r badge…I do like the fk8 and I’m sure it’s a blast to drive but I can’t get past the way it sounds. I will forever love a high reviving NA engine with a nasty crossover. Lol idk I’m back and forth with this new gen. The spoon render of the 11th gen looks real good and Im excited to see the aftermarket side for bumpers/side skirts/etc. Hopefully future Honda/Acura will create something the enthusiast will be ecstatic about. Go back to the roots…
I actually like that mousy looking type r before the fk8. It had sneaky rear doors I barely noticed.
11th gen civic just looks like an accord now.. and basically the same size. Type r looks ok, but I just can't get behind the factory turbo engines. Im just an all motor golden age honda enthusiast i guess.
The 11th gen civic doesn't look like a civic, i kept thinking it is an Accord every time I see one on the road. Honda main goal in making the 2023 Type R is mainly for performance so any gimmicky features was put out. The 10th gen civic R design was mainly catering to young racer fan boy who likes body kit with big spoilers kind of look which is a turn off for the reviewers not like they're going to buy it anyway.
Called my local Honda dealership last week. Wanted to order a manual civic. They told me there were so few manuals produced that I was unlikely to get it built to my specs or anytime soon if at all. Bummer
I like my EG hatch.
I think the civic has lost a lot of character over the years but I like this very much compared to the last type r that looked really over-the-top. I have an 8th gen sedan.
Honda really missed an opportunity man. The FKx chassis is the guy at the bar who will start a fight, the FLx chassis is the guy who just wants to go home
Also that Hyundai n vision 74 bringing the fire son. This is what I want a car to look like.
Agree for sure - but I'm not sure an automatic / electric car will ever do it for me at all. The looks are fantastic, but in the end I might ask well catch the bus if the fun factor of a manual is removed.
Someone tried to give me a stanced 8 Generation sedan for my beefed up Ej8 coupe. I said no way jose!!...
Designed, Tested , Assembled in J A P A N
That is all folks. The FL5 is the evolution of the FK8 which was already an amazing machine. The future will have emotionless cars. Enjoy this fellas. Honda ( always conservative) is still making an improved world class Type R.
Engineers made this car, not bean counters. Type R stands for RACING! The FL5 will be a Legend on the track. No doubt
This is exactly the same way I felt when I first saw it🤦🏻♂️ It looks like a family sedan with a wing in the back to make it look sporty, and the inside looks like a bmw🤷🏻♂️
Honestly you have to look at it from a 2023 Auto show room perspective. If they make standalone chassis then it won’t be a civic anymore n honda doesn’t care anymore about Real racing Japanese OG . plus people these days don’t care about what is it or how much power it has or where it came from. As long as it drives good n good on gas. The automotive industry is going onto the Movie Demolition man…..electrical and they all look the same.
100% agree my friend/Honda brothers. This day in age is a sad one.
The new Type R is...
...boring?
...dull?
...uninspiring?
...uninspired?
Well, all of the above.
Why don’t Honda look at the aftermarket world. Re create a retro body style. Like bring back the ek. Special edition retro ek return for a limited time. Give the community another ek and see how well it sells.
Hayysss thanks for being honest with this new type r. .
Love my First gen CR-V nothing like chucking a wagon around with double wishbone suspension it’s sad a pedestrian suv has more soul than the McPherson strutpocalypse cars
Well at least it's not an Integra. But then again, the new Integra is not an Integra!
I like my 2021 but my newest car leading up to it was a 98 accord, I want to sell my car and get a 90s Honda again
You are the firs reviewer that has spoken the truth on this
Talking sporty cars First it was the civic that sold great The most newer sports car is the BRZ, frs, they sold like crazy I was surprised but since then even the newer BRZ sold great, because they looked good, but the engine is honestly poorly designed in brz appeal is really want people like to look sleek and defined contoured edge, the civic line started to decrease because I think they were focusing more on building a efficient car rather then appealing, they've always been a engine company at heart, Race car Engeering is just not in their priority because statically it cost them more to build just to satisfy a small fraction of consumers and especially when their is a recession they audit every aspect of their business and make decisions wisely, Ain't no point in trying to build a Ultimate driving machine when the people that want them can't afford it,
I think the design focus group had too many yes men...
I agree the Mugen RR and the ek type R are my favorite 💯👍👍👍
9th gens are getting more expected as ppl are finding out that the k20 head swap is not as hard as once thought. Also, turbo’d 9th gen are beast especially their single port exit
Finally someone says something honest about the type r for the last 4 year I thought I was on an Island when it came to Hondas opinion anyway is not like I can afford one wright know if I could I would already had one though
05 tl
01 prelude
05 rsx
Im set for life fuck these new cars
Well said, still miss my em1
Yeah ! I definitely agree with you about the looks compared to FK8. All of the racy Type R looks is GONE ! It really looks so generic. Even the interior looks so dull and boring. Looks like it came straight from Golf ! But on the other hand they really really improved the infotainment system. It got alot alot better. That's for sure. The performance is improved as well. That's definitely a big plus !
I like it.. I'm more for the smooth lines... reminds me more of the 90's hondas. The only real gripe I have about it is the spoiler mounting.. It kinda feels like you stuck an OEM wing on an aftermarket mount.
100% the wing looks like an afterthought
Looks easily swappable with an aftermarket one, so it probably wouldn't be a big deal in the long run.
great vid
I think the new type r model is watered down compared to the last generation.
The new Type R just looks boring. It's not a car I look at and say "I can't wait to drive it". I just hope the after market scene makes some awesome body kits to make it look more aggressive or something. Make it look more pleasing to the eye and stand out more.
I love my 7th gen civic lol
You ever want to drive a EP3 let me know local to C FL
Shit this actually the first civic I like past my EM1 and the RSX.
I have to unsubscribe because I lost my EM1
I can't see another civic build because it hurts that my car got into a accident and its gone
loved your content
They played it way to safe
Hmm I know of many EM2s that went well over 300k
Those cat manifolds are unreliable tho