Great video! And I love the “just stuff my dad taught me” comment. My dad taught me a lot of cool tricks too and I love him for that and I bet your teaching your son the same. Your a cool dad!
I’ve done many shock jobs.........the socket is brilliant. And legit data, with footage on how you got your numbers. Tips hat. Much respect. Thank you.
Another great video Mr. Epic. I've watched several of your videos so far and like how you can pack useful information, great camera angles, talk intelligently and keep the video short while leaving out crazy intros / outros, annotations, obnoxious sound tracks or pitches to subscribe, follow you on all social media platforms. People like me really appreciate the honesty and absence of fluff.
Thanks. All this is just a hobby really and my effort to give back to the youtube community. I really rely on other folks who do the same thing. You can learn just about anything nowadays.
Holy crap, an actual intelligent video on UA-cam with real usable data! This is GREAT, thank you for taking time to put it together. My only thought is to be careful using the word "better" - for some people, "better" is a stiffer, harder ride, for others, "better" is the absence of any road feel at all; so we don't want to make assumptions about what is better to someone watching the video. Thank you!
Good point on the subjective nature of the word.It needs definition. How about "a decrease of energy/force transmitted into the cab?" Like you said, some diesel guys would call that heresy. lol
Im not following community guidelines for this one... With all due respect... Out fucking standing video good sir. Real data, real world conditions, passing know-how and mechanical aptitude to your son as your dad taught you. As a very seasoned vehicle technician of many years, I have to commend you. You are living life right, and helping others make an informed, educated, well rounded decision. The most inspiring and proper video for those in the market for the fox 2.0. Thank for the video. I'm subscribed for other content!
Have had fitment issues with my Fox shocks. And went to replace/return them and its 4-6weeks to get them so went with my old favorites Bilsteins and they are great like always.
Great test confirming what us off roaders already know. They rule. You should have gone even faster to find out the point at which the Fox transmitted the same force as stock. It's much higher I can tell you because the faster you go the smoother they get. Its the opposite of what stock shocks do. This is very helpful when towing a heavy load and finding an unintended put hole.
Alright... I finally bit the bullet and bought the Fox 2.0 Performance shocks for my truck. Your tip on the rear install saved me done frustrations. The truck rides much better!!
Congrats! Better shocks is one of those things you kick yourself for not putting on sooner. Mine are still working great even with 8,000 miles of heaving towing.
I bought a brand new 2019 Chevy Silverado with the duramax and it came with Rancho shocks, I recently installed a leveling kit that came with the FOX 2.0 shocks and what a HUGE difference in ride quality, the stock Ranchos are complete garbage, every bump I hit was jarring and I thought it was just a stiff riding truck until I installed the FOX shocks. I had them on my previous RAM 2500 with an 8” lift but with a lift you can’t really tell from stock so it was hard to say, being the Chevy is basically stock I was able to see the difference. I will always purchase these shocks in the future.
The roads are better everywhere than here. :) Yeah, I used to enjoy driving when I was a teenager. Now I dread it. The drivers and the roads take all the joy out of it. I lived in Phoenix for 2 years - best years of my life. Loved the place. Was nice not having to replace exhaust systems, shocks, and front end components as regular maintenance, lol.
I watched this video when you originally put it out and finally bought them yesterday. 28k on my 17 with those garbage ranchos, can’t wait to install them.
@@kevindent8848 very good upgrade. I come from a variety of fast off-road trucks with big shocks. I think these are a nice upgrade to stiff stock suspension and they clean up some of the chatter as good as they can for a 2.0 shock.
This is a really awesome video. I appreciate you taking the time to actually put some actual data analysis into your argument as opposed to just saying they are awesome and worth the money.
My dream suspension for my 2000 Explorer is throwing out the torsion bars and welding on some Fox coilovers for the front. Then going fox shocks on the back too. Maybe after I graduate next year. Till then I’m going with the Rancho RS9000XL.
Thanks Epic for the video. I have the same truck and put the same Fox shocks on it and couldn't tell much difference but your testing shows a lot. You were a big help to me with Forscan a while back!!!
Thank You!!! i was just trying to figure out what shocks to go with and your video has done justice. Your awesome for putting this video together. Fox should give you a stipend for the video
My passenger side blew today. I have a 17 F250 with a 6inch BDS coil over with added shocks and my added sock on the passenger side broke today. It’s hard to find the exact replacement but before they blew I loved them
Nice ,,, great idea on how to compress the shock to get them on , I actually have fix suspension on the front 2.5 with the adjustable reservoir attachment and 3.0 w/coilovers in the back .its about 18 months now ,, your test results are correct I Freakin love them ,, I recently learned that part of the reason why, they’re so expensive is after a few years of use you can take them off completely dismantle them ,clean them up replace what needs t be replaced put them back on and there suppose to be as good as new , I will definitely be trying to learn more about that process in another year or so
I've been looking forward to doing a rebuild also. Haven't looked closely enough yet though. Might require some special tools. But like most things, after you've done one, the rest are fast and easy.
From a fellow Utahn and a fox 2.0 on my f150 I bought the same shocks because the used truck I bought had 3 dead shocks and bad tires. So I went to 4 wheel parts on red wood road and spent 3 grand. I have wondered if it was necessary to buy the 2.0s. Thank you for your time spent and the information!!!!!
I've been searching for many months regarding whether or not they make a difference. Finally someone with some data. I will definitely be going for them. I have a Ranger and it honestly over exaggerates the bumps. This test is exactly what I was looking for
@@Lucky4zo hey Marc quick question , I just lifted my 05 Chevy Silverado 1500 but the ride got a little more bounce ,will Bilsteins will give my truck a firm ride?
I have a 05 F250 SD Diesel 2wd. It has 75000 miles, and I get (imo)excessive bouncing in the front, when towing my trailer on these harsh roads at 40mph. I am shopping for front shocks. Maybe all 4, now that I see this. The bounce is limited to the front. Thanks for posting.
some idiot in a brand new corvette pulled out in front of me while driving my 2017350 lucky i saw him and was able to swerve so the fromt driver side corner of bumper caught the side of if his car his car is fucked up i got a scrape on the bumper with a little dimple it cleaned off except the dimple now my steering wheel is off like one click to the right off center but the front end looks fine and its not pulling or having any signs of needing a alignment,, any ideas guys? ive drove it all over and might just live with it since its a work truck and im coming to the conclusion that im tearing it up daily on michigan roads
Adjust ur drag link on the truck if it's lowest on driver side lift it upwards if it's lower on the passenger side rotate it downwards. The 2 clips that hold the sleeve need to be wedged to relieve the pressure once bolts r loose
Very cool video! Different, professional, looked like a awesome family time too with the kiddo. Good photography, objectivity and narrative. I wasn't expecting that today on youtube haha. Thanks! As for the shocks, I think we see here the real application for these shocks which is obtaining more wheel travel on a lift. I would go with the Bilsteins B6 shocks instead of the Fox for a firmer but dampened ride. But as you said, it's a matter of everyday driving preferences. I like a more sporty/firm drive. B6 is perfect. If I want something that will absorb more holes and bad roads, on the daily, I would go with B8 bilsteins or expensive fox shocks which is pretty much just longuer travel for the rods. That's why it was hitting that shock pad on the speed bumps. These bumps are also designed to have a bad angle forcing people to slow down no matter what. But its a VERY good test to show the difference. Thanks! For people: Basically the main difference in the 2 major aftermarket shocks types: You have those designed to be OEM replacements to give a better, more firm but also well dampened ride (tweaked, customised for your vehicle by professionals of that company). And then you have those who are made to allow lift kits to operate at greater ranges than stock. These fox shocks (not sure about the models we dont use these much around) are mostly hi-end lifted applications I believe.
Thanks for making the video. I think what would help is fox 2.5 reservoir DSC system. They are price but they worked on my 2016 f250 super duty. They are adjustable. Ride like a dream on road and off road you can tune it up as easy as a click.
wow great review on the shocks and great over all insight i was searching a long time for a video that would give me a good comparison on a pair of shocks that i wanted to buy but did not know if they actually work.
I feel like Fox shocks are worth it if you are actually hitting real bumps and going offloading, but they actually make for a harsh ride on the rode... I felt a increase of rough riding over the small little tar strip/cracks on the road. It's like going from tired with low psi to tires with high psi... The stiffer shocks make you feel more road bumps and cracks, while a cheaper/softer shock acts as abetter buffer on the small road bumps. Plus if you ever need your Fox shocks serviced, have fun!!! Better buy another set because they take atleast 1-2 months to repair your shocks (even if they fail under warranty) like mine did. 15k on my Fox 2.0's and one blew out all the fluid/seized up, Fox doesn't send you replacements if that happens. I have on cheap $45 ProComps now and they ride better for bumpy/cracked roads.
Thanks for the video, the Rancho shocks on my 2017 F250 are a huge upgrade in the smoothness of ride compared to the 2010 F350 I recently traded in. Enjoy your videos, keep them coming.
to really test the effectiveness of a shock, go across the speed bumps at an angle or uneven pavement, a situation where the sway bar comes into play ;)
Brilliant! Dad taught me a lot, but I’ve never seen that socket idea! That was great, actually brilliant! Guys like your father, who figure shit like this out are a dyeing breed! Great video, thank you! Also, thank you for teaching that young man of yours the same! Those young guys will save our species!!😂🤞🏼Or so I hope!! You just got a new sub from me! “2016 F350/6.7” ✌🏼
How do you like them compared to the Rancho 9000XL on your previous Super duty? I used to run Bilstein 5100's exclusively on my super duty(s) because of the great ride when the truck is unloaded - then I replaced my Travel Trailer with a 5th wheel and realized that I needed stiffer shocks when the trailer was hooked up to prevent porpoising when traveling down broken highway at the speed limit. 5100's are too soft for towing, but REALLY shine for daily use. They are softer on compression and rebound than the Ford oem shocks. I put Rancho 9000XL's on there which totally solved those problems. I just wish there was an option for an electronic control module or a remote adjustment knob so I don't need to get under the truck every time I hook/unhook the trailer.
I liked the 9000 XL a lot but they wore out pretty fast. I was replacing them at 30,000 miles. The Bilsteins lasted much longer but made the ride pretty harsh and stiff. These Fox shocks seem to go down the middle which is where I want to be.
Great scientific video. Love my Fox 2.0. I bought for a 2007 hummer and a damage title 2003 for f-250. The fox are worth more than the ford 2003 truck.
This is where ordering from companies like Downsouth Motorsports comes into play. When you order through them, they will custom valve your shocks to have a better ride performance for your specific vehicle. I am not paid by them or anything like that, just wanted to point it out from someone who used to run the short courses in his Tacoma. It rode like a Cadillac through some of the harshest terrain, and that's not even an exaggeration. Did however have an extended travel setup.
Great video. Those speed bumps I try to avoid will find a way in the parking lots to go around them. Just here gathering data to see if i want to spend the money on fox 2.0's for my Silverado.
I too am enjoying your videos. One of the things that is lacking is the appropriate valving to the spring rate. That is where companies like Carli Suspension and Thuren Fabrication excel. Off the shelf is just that and it is not too say that it will not benefit but when is built in conjunction the result is second to none.
BajaMedic I'm waiting for Carli to engineer their lifts for the 17 Super Duties. Can't wait to get mine. They really make a nice package. Hopefully worth the wait.
Was just on the phone with Carli an hour ago. I am coming from a 2011 Cummins with basically a full race suspension including 3.5 inch diameter shocks. I have been lucky to be a test goat for Carli on a number of different system and parts. 6 to 8 weeks for the 2.5" track bar and lots of their stuff is in stock. On my 2017 F350 I will be going with a 2.5" kit with track bar. I am leaving the rear end stock with a shock upgrade and the airbag setup in this video.
BajaMedic Do you know when they will have their 3.5-4.5" system ready? I had a 7.5" procomp on my 04 f350. I'll never go that big again, but a 4" with 35 or 37s sounds reasonable. I've had my new truck since December and am dying to lift it.
I would honestly run the 2.5 but I get the want to sit higher. With 2.5 system and the right wheel or a spacer you can run a 37" tire. I am getting a 295/65/20 installed tomorrow. I am going Toyo AT2.
It might be noteworthy to point out that the fox shocks are also adjustable by someone with the right tools, so you could custom adjust them to your terrain and driving. I run fox on my truck as well.
Excellent point. Different valving can produce very different dampening and rebound behavior. I haven't done it myself but a couple of UA-cam videos make it look doable.
@@EpicCowlick after a 2 week audition, I find them same ride quality ZX 3 electric shocks on my Silverado, that any bump was stiff as my former home Nova SS I once own. It had F41 suspension I changed to poly bushings and gas charged shocks it was the roughest in town ride , though on the highway was faster I went better it rode . Are your Fox for 4x4 used off road? The Falcons are custom made for each corner. Fox gets positive reviews. Now to debate Fox vrs. Falcon on a 4x4
Thank you for taking the time to create this video and a apply a semi-scientific approach to quantify the benefits of these shocks compared to oem. You would think FOX themselves would do something like this in their marketing literature.
How about putting some good grease on the bolts for easy installation and to prevent corrosion from forming on in the case you have to remove them again?
It is quite likely that the data points where the forces were less with the OEM shocks could be the places where you bottomed out the rubber travel stops on the frame. The OEM shocks are consistently more harsh and probably absorbed more energy leaving less for the stops to absorb. A video showing the OEM travel would confirm my hypothesis. I think the data shows the Fox dampers are more compliant and allow more travel which lessens the felt forces. That would cause the travel stops to come into play more than they would with the OEM dampers.
Watched a couple of your videos, each time learn something new. Appreciate the details and the data. I am on my 4th super-duty, first one was a dually we lifted 6" and 6" spacers between the rear wheels, with 35's. For comparison, it does not count :) .. I have changed out on the next 2 super-duty's (2012 & 2015) with Bilstein's, but my 2017 the local 4WD parts could not find a match for the truck, I decided to go with the 2.0 like in your video. While I have no data, driving around town I feel the difference, as you say... everyday driving is what we are looking for. For the record, every truck had the stock "Rancho" shocks and each time I pulled them off, they were junk. One set I let sit on the ground for a week and 2 of the 4 shocks never decompressed after a week. I have changed the stocks shocks at 5k, 15k and 20K miles, funny part was the 5K were the worst.
@2:15, you mentioned your dad's trick, but you forgot to only release enough until the bolt slips through. No need to beat it with a hammer. I've been doing that trick for 45 years.
That footage is savage. Makes you wanna slow down on them bumps next time LOL. 20mph is madness tho especially with such a heavy truck. I have a very hard suspension on a sports sedan w/ 6" clearance and I do 10-15 kmh max before I scrape bumps like that. That's like barely 7-10mph. By the Looks of it you could take those bumps without breaking much which is awesome if you got the money to spare.
Since there was no camera video of the oem shocks showing any bump stop engagement and folks state that fox is smoother could it be speculated that the oem shocks may prevent bump stop engagement better than the fox's at the expense of transmitting more shock from smaller perturbations?
It's a fair question but the data shows that the OEM shocks allowed more bump stop engagement than the Fox shocks. The data shows more force transmitted into the truck with the exception of one data point. Subjective driver experience also says the Fox absorb more force in both small and large suspension movements.
Great video with good data, the socket and floor jack helped tons, thank you. I ended up putting these on my 2018 F-250 6.7 CC SWB 4X4 platinum, the truck already had the 2.5” ready lift with track bar relocation kit. 35” Toyo open country RT tires, 20” method wheels Honestly these shocks have helped tremendously on large ruts and uneven surfaces, I live in Phoenix AZ and our roads aren’t horrible, I haven’t done any off-roading or been to areas out of the city with bad potholes yet but just around town on some of the interchanges I had where there’d be some rough expansion joints on over passes that would shake and cause some bump steer are barely noticeable, Any way my personal opinion with my truck and roads I travel I’d say these were a great investment.
I was just thinking about caster bushings and remembered your comment. You described how you'd feel bump steer over expansion joints, etc. This can be caused partially due to not correcting the caster angle after installing that awesome Ready Lift 2.5 kit. You might want to check to see if the factory caster bushings are still in place. If so, you definitely want to have those replaced and restore the caster angle to at least 3.6-3.9 degrees. Some take it further but the bottom line is that with caster angle is too little, the front wheels will shimmy left and right like a shopping cart wheel. Quick and easy fix to restore solid and firm steering feel. It will also extend the life of all your suspension components.
What made you go with the Fox 2.0 vs the 2.5..or even adjustable 2.5. My concern is the weight of these heavy duties and the 2.0 lasting..or absorbing the bumps over a longer period of time. Great informative video like all of them..thanks again.
I picked the 2.0's purely for price. Thought I'd try them out before spending twice as much. I also don't think the external reservoir really provides much benefit on a Super Duty. The adjustability would be a nice feature but I'll let these go awhile before I think about swapping again.
Ive been following your builds..primarily the last build. I still have my 15 F350 and went w 2.5 dual adjustable in the front for that heavy front end and 2.0 adjustable in the rear with bags...and a complete suspension front and rear change out with softer springs with Pure Performance. I like the truck so much and how she rides Im just not ready to get a 17 as much as I want one..maybe a 18 when I get closer to 90-100k. Thanks for the help.
I agree that it's hard to let go of something that is setup just right. It's no small effort or expenditure to do all that stuff and you need to get your money's worth. Sell it when it makes sense, not just because there's something new and shiny. (Make sure you don't go test drive one though, that will screw up the best intentions).
Wow, actual DATA? THANK YOU!
The type of guy that would make up his own homework on winter vacation instead of enjoy the time off. Great video! :)
Guilty as charged! lol
Underrated comment!
I realize it's kind of randomly asking but does anybody know a good site to stream newly released tv shows online?
@Ty Marvin Meh I watch on Flixportal. just search on google after it :) -wayne
@Wayne Collin Thanks, signed up and it seems to work =) I appreciate it !
Good job. I respect your GoPro mount skills.
Great video! And I love the “just stuff my dad taught me” comment. My dad taught me a lot of cool tricks too and I love him for that and I bet your teaching your son the same. Your a cool dad!
great common sense video. thanks
That socket trick will come in handy in life, I registered that big time lol. "Need a pivot on a jack stand? Here *throws socket* "
Just did mine (2019 F250) with Fox 2.0. The jack and the socket was a lifesaver. Awesome tip. Thanks.
How you like them? Notice any improvement
I always used a bottle jack for shocks!
@@paulvivier1984 pretty serious improvement in ride quality and handling, the truck just feels less squirrely and more stable now.
I’ve done many shock jobs.........the socket is brilliant. And legit data, with footage on how you got your numbers. Tips hat. Much respect. Thank you.
Thanks Matt! We spend a lifetime doing it the hard way and then suddenly figure things out. Story of my life!
Another great video Mr. Epic. I've watched several of your videos so far and like how you can pack useful information, great camera angles, talk intelligently and keep the video short while leaving out crazy intros / outros, annotations, obnoxious sound tracks or pitches to subscribe, follow you on all social media platforms. People like me really appreciate the honesty and absence of fluff.
Thanks. All this is just a hobby really and my effort to give back to the youtube community. I really rely on other folks who do the same thing. You can learn just about anything nowadays.
Holy crap, an actual intelligent video on UA-cam with real usable data! This is GREAT, thank you for taking time to put it together. My only thought is to be careful using the word "better" - for some people, "better" is a stiffer, harder ride, for others, "better" is the absence of any road feel at all; so we don't want to make assumptions about what is better to someone watching the video. Thank you!
Good point on the subjective nature of the word.It needs definition. How about "a decrease of energy/force transmitted into the cab?" Like you said, some diesel guys would call that heresy. lol
Im not following community guidelines for this one...
With all due respect...
Out fucking standing video good sir. Real data, real world conditions, passing know-how and mechanical aptitude to your son as your dad taught you. As a very seasoned vehicle technician of many years, I have to commend you. You are living life right, and helping others make an informed, educated, well rounded decision. The most inspiring and proper video for those in the market for the fox 2.0. Thank for the video. I'm subscribed for other content!
Thanks for taking the time to make this! Also the handy tip for installation! Cheers
A very good video that really shows how well a shock performs without just having hearsay to go by. Thank you
Super impressed with your method and conclusions sir. You have helped me with my decision to buy fox. Well done!
Thank you for taking the time to create this video. I will be replacing shocks in my 2015 Super Duty in about another year. Great job!
did u
@@CCCC-tq8yo nope. I traded in my truck last year.
This is how you do a review. Awesome.
I appreciate that!
Fox salesman of the year here. Just ordered for my 11 powerstroke
lol. you won't be disappointed. No affiliation with Fox, just happy.
Have had fitment issues with my Fox shocks. And went to replace/return them and its 4-6weeks to get them so went with my old favorites Bilsteins and they are great like always.
Weird. Maybe the poly bushings hadn't been updated yet? On the early version you had to change them out.
I've looked for a video like this for months!
This is a great video thank you
I like this video the testing and video angles are great
My back and neck hurt from watching this! Good clip
lol. A little pain, lots of gain...
Great test confirming what us off roaders already know. They rule. You should have gone even faster to find out the point at which the Fox transmitted the same force as stock. It's much higher I can tell you because the faster you go the smoother they get. Its the opposite of what stock shocks do. This is very helpful when towing a heavy load and finding an unintended put hole.
Alright... I finally bit the bullet and bought the Fox 2.0 Performance shocks for my truck. Your tip on the rear install saved me done frustrations. The truck rides much better!!
Congrats! Better shocks is one of those things you kick yourself for not putting on sooner. Mine are still working great even with 8,000 miles of heaving towing.
EpicCowlick now the next upgrade are some 35” tires :)
Waiting for more videos from your channel!!
GrillingNetwork™ what year is your truck? Thinking about bitting the bullet on my 2018 f250
I bought a brand new 2019 Chevy Silverado with the duramax and it came with Rancho shocks, I recently installed a leveling kit that came with the FOX 2.0 shocks and what a HUGE difference in ride quality, the stock Ranchos are complete garbage, every bump I hit was jarring and I thought it was just a stiff riding truck until I installed the FOX shocks. I had them on my previous RAM 2500 with an 8” lift but with a lift you can’t really tell from stock so it was hard to say, being the Chevy is basically stock I was able to see the difference. I will always purchase these shocks in the future.
2:15 best tip ever
Bust out the batman jack
"How many people engage their bump-stops in every day driving ... "
Everyone ... if you live in Massachusetts. ;)
Lol. Then you're "not having fun doing it." Sorry. I think the roads are better out west.
The roads are better everywhere than here. :)
Yeah, I used to enjoy driving when I was a teenager. Now I dread it. The drivers and the roads take all the joy out of it.
I lived in Phoenix for 2 years - best years of my life. Loved the place. Was nice not having to replace exhaust systems, shocks, and front end components as regular maintenance, lol.
roads are not better in Michigan haha
Come to live in Cambodia u see pot hole bumpy road almost everywhere
as well as pa
I watched this video when you originally put it out and finally bought them yesterday. 28k on my 17 with those garbage ranchos, can’t wait to install them.
@bajaMedic How have you liked the Fox's after 6 months? I have the same FX4 setup as you.
@@kevindent8848 very good upgrade. I come from a variety of fast off-road trucks with big shocks. I think these are a nice upgrade to stiff stock suspension and they clean up some of the chatter as good as they can for a 2.0 shock.
This is a really awesome video. I appreciate you taking the time to actually put some actual data analysis into your argument as opposed to just saying they are awesome and worth the money.
Thanks. That was the whole point after all.
Nice work on the vid...I ran Carli valved Fox on my 2011 F250 Lariat, which was part of the Backcountry suspension kit, huge improvement over stock..
I liked because I appreciate the work put into this
My dream suspension for my 2000 Explorer is throwing out the torsion bars and welding on some Fox coilovers for the front. Then going fox shocks on the back too. Maybe after I graduate next year. Till then I’m going with the Rancho RS9000XL.
Thanks Epic for the video. I have the same truck and put the same Fox shocks on it and couldn't tell much difference but your testing shows a lot. You were a big help to me with Forscan a while back!!!
No problem. I'm definitely feeling a difference on everyday roads. Maybe my factory shocks were in worse shape than yours to start? Who knows.
Thank You!!! i was just trying to figure out what shocks to go with and your video has done justice. Your awesome for putting this video together. Fox should give you a stipend for the video
Nice job, I was thinking about getting this shocks. And now I'm really leaning towards them.
My passenger side blew today. I have a 17 F250 with a 6inch BDS coil over with added shocks and my added sock on the passenger side broke today. It’s hard to find the exact replacement but before they blew I loved them
Nice ,,, great idea on how to compress the shock to get them on , I actually have fix suspension on the front 2.5 with the adjustable reservoir attachment and 3.0 w/coilovers in the back .its about 18 months now ,, your test results are correct I Freakin love them ,, I recently learned that part of the reason why, they’re so expensive is after a few years of use you can take them off completely dismantle them ,clean them up replace what needs t be replaced put them back on and there suppose to be as good as new , I will definitely be trying to learn more about that process in another year or so
I've been looking forward to doing a rebuild also. Haven't looked closely enough yet though. Might require some special tools. But like most things, after you've done one, the rest are fast and easy.
Wow wow actual testing love it
My truck is 21 years old F250. If I go over those bumps at 25 mph, I would have to stop and gather up all the parts that fell off.
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From a fellow Utahn and a fox 2.0 on my f150 I bought the same shocks because the used truck I bought had 3 dead shocks and bad tires. So I went to 4 wheel parts on red wood road and spent 3 grand. I have wondered if it was necessary to buy the 2.0s. Thank you for your time spent and the information!!!!!
love your vid. Straight and to the point with statistics to back it up
I've been searching for many months regarding whether or not they make a difference. Finally someone with some data. I will definitely be going for them. I have a Ranger and it honestly over exaggerates the bumps. This test is exactly what I was looking for
Glad it was helpful. I felt the same way.
Very informative video sir! I would love to see the fox 2.0 VS bilstein to see that difference!
Me too
Same here I'm debating this now
Lol same here ! I don’t have big money for the reserve type - fox vs bilsteins
I had both and the fox was a bit smoother but bilstein last longer. Just my experience with them.
@@Lucky4zo hey Marc quick question , I just lifted my 05 Chevy Silverado 1500 but the ride got a little more bounce ,will Bilsteins will give my truck a firm ride?
Awesome video.....Thanks for sharing.....great camera angles.
I have a 05 F250 SD Diesel 2wd. It has 75000 miles, and I get (imo)excessive bouncing in the front, when towing my trailer on these harsh roads at 40mph. I am shopping for front shocks. Maybe all 4, now that I see this. The bounce is limited to the front. Thanks for posting.
some idiot in a brand new corvette pulled out in front of me while driving my 2017350 lucky i saw him and was able to swerve so the fromt driver side corner of bumper caught the side of if his car his car is fucked up i got a scrape on the bumper with a little dimple it cleaned off except the dimple now my steering wheel is off like one click to the right off center but the front end looks fine and its not pulling or having any signs of needing a alignment,, any ideas guys? ive drove it all over and might just live with it since its a work truck and im coming to the conclusion that im tearing it up daily on michigan roads
Adjust ur drag link on the truck if it's lowest on driver side lift it upwards if it's lower on the passenger side rotate it downwards. The 2 clips that hold the sleeve need to be wedged to relieve the pressure once bolts r loose
Gotta use pipe wrench and breaker bar over it
Subscribed due to video being straight forward.
Great Video. I'm researching between the FOX and Bilstein currently. Both Resi Shocks. Right now Fox is winning with the Bilstein a close second
Great video , truck reminds me of the first time meeting Thomas S. Monson . He was driving in a brand new F350 when I first saw him in person
That would have been awesome to see.
Very cool video! Different, professional, looked like a awesome family time too with the kiddo. Good photography, objectivity and narrative. I wasn't expecting that today on youtube haha. Thanks! As for the shocks, I think we see here the real application for these shocks which is obtaining more wheel travel on a lift. I would go with the Bilsteins B6 shocks instead of the Fox for a firmer but dampened ride. But as you said, it's a matter of everyday driving preferences. I like a more sporty/firm drive. B6 is perfect. If I want something that will absorb more holes and bad roads, on the daily, I would go with B8 bilsteins or expensive fox shocks which is pretty much just longuer travel for the rods. That's why it was hitting that shock pad on the speed bumps. These bumps are also designed to have a bad angle forcing people to slow down no matter what. But its a VERY good test to show the difference. Thanks!
For people: Basically the main difference in the 2 major aftermarket shocks types: You have those designed to be OEM replacements to give a better, more firm but also well dampened ride (tweaked, customised for your vehicle by professionals of that company). And then you have those who are made to allow lift kits to operate at greater ranges than stock. These fox shocks (not sure about the models we dont use these much around) are mostly hi-end lifted applications I believe.
Thanks for making the video. I think what would help is fox 2.5 reservoir DSC system. They are price but they worked on my 2016 f250 super duty. They are adjustable. Ride like a dream on road and off road you can tune it up as easy as a click.
This video was fricken awesome.
wow great review on the shocks and great over all insight i was searching a long time for a video that would give me a good comparison on a pair of shocks that i wanted to buy but did not know if they actually work.
I feel like Fox shocks are worth it if you are actually hitting real bumps and going offloading, but they actually make for a harsh ride on the rode... I felt a increase of rough riding over the small little tar strip/cracks on the road. It's like going from tired with low psi to tires with high psi... The stiffer shocks make you feel more road bumps and cracks, while a cheaper/softer shock acts as abetter buffer on the small road bumps. Plus if you ever need your Fox shocks serviced, have fun!!! Better buy another set because they take atleast 1-2 months to repair your shocks (even if they fail under warranty) like mine did. 15k on my Fox 2.0's and one blew out all the fluid/seized up, Fox doesn't send you replacements if that happens. I have on cheap $45 ProComps now and they ride better for bumpy/cracked roads.
Thank you so much for this video. I was really debating on which shocks I wanted to get. This is a no brainer.
Thanks for the video, the Rancho shocks on my 2017 F250 are a huge upgrade in the smoothness of ride compared to the 2010 F350 I recently traded in. Enjoy your videos, keep them coming.
Just about anything is better than the stock offering. I used Rancho 9000's and really liked them.
to really test the effectiveness of a shock, go across the speed bumps at an angle or uneven pavement, a situation where the sway bar comes into play ;)
Ya'll's faces when you hit the first speed bump!!!! Hahaha love your videos man. Make my day!
How old/worn were the Oem shocks for the before test run. Great idea . Thanks
6,000 miles on them
Brilliant! Dad taught me a lot, but I’ve never seen that socket idea! That was great, actually brilliant! Guys like your father, who figure shit like this out are a dyeing breed!
Great video, thank you!
Also, thank you for teaching that young man of yours the same! Those young guys will save our species!!😂🤞🏼Or so I hope!!
You just got a new sub from me!
“2016 F350/6.7” ✌🏼
Thank you for a great deep dive! Very much appreciated !
How do you like them compared to the Rancho 9000XL on your previous Super duty? I used to run Bilstein 5100's exclusively on my super duty(s) because of the great ride when the truck is unloaded - then I replaced my Travel Trailer with a 5th wheel and realized that I needed stiffer shocks when the trailer was hooked up to prevent porpoising when traveling down broken highway at the speed limit. 5100's are too soft for towing, but REALLY shine for daily use. They are softer on compression and rebound than the Ford oem shocks. I put Rancho 9000XL's on there which totally solved those problems. I just wish there was an option for an electronic control module or a remote adjustment knob so I don't need to get under the truck every time I hook/unhook the trailer.
I liked the 9000 XL a lot but they wore out pretty fast. I was replacing them at 30,000 miles. The Bilsteins lasted much longer but made the ride pretty harsh and stiff. These Fox shocks seem to go down the middle which is where I want to be.
Put fox 2.0 front coils and rear shocks on my 2015 F150 and it was way worth it. Truck cornered on new levels also.
Great scientific video. Love my Fox 2.0. I bought for a 2007 hummer and a damage title 2003 for f-250. The fox are worth more than the ford 2003 truck.
Well, not exactly... ;)
Very well put together. Thanks
This is where ordering from companies like Downsouth Motorsports comes into play. When you order through them, they will custom valve your shocks to have a better ride performance for your specific vehicle. I am not paid by them or anything like that, just wanted to point it out from someone who used to run the short courses in his Tacoma. It rode like a Cadillac through some of the harshest terrain, and that's not even an exaggeration. Did however have an extended travel setup.
WhooptieDo lol.... comparing a Tacoma or a 1/2 ton to a 3/4 ton or one ton is night and day different
@@beri232 yes, for multiple reasons, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't get them properly valved.
I have owned two super duties now...
Great video. Those speed bumps I try to avoid will find a way in the parking lots to go around them. Just here gathering data to see if i want to spend the money on fox 2.0's for my Silverado.
Very cool. You seem to be living the American dream .
I would have liked to have seen in vehicle footage after the shocks were changed going over speed bumps. However it is great to see data thanks.
I too am enjoying your videos. One of the things that is lacking is the appropriate valving to the spring rate. That is where companies like Carli Suspension and Thuren Fabrication excel. Off the shelf is just that and it is not too say that it will not benefit but when is built in conjunction the result is second to none.
I agree and look forward to tweaking these over time. They are easy to change the valving but as of right now I don't know how I would change it.
BajaMedic I'm waiting for Carli to engineer their lifts for the 17 Super Duties. Can't wait to get mine. They really make a nice package. Hopefully worth the wait.
Was just on the phone with Carli an hour ago. I am coming from a 2011 Cummins with basically a full race suspension including 3.5 inch diameter shocks. I have been lucky to be a test goat for Carli on a number of different system and parts. 6 to 8 weeks for the 2.5" track bar and lots of their stuff is in stock. On my 2017 F350 I will be going with a 2.5" kit with track bar. I am leaving the rear end stock with a shock upgrade and the airbag setup in this video.
BajaMedic Do you know when they will have their 3.5-4.5" system ready? I had a 7.5" procomp on my 04 f350. I'll never go that big again, but a 4" with 35 or 37s sounds reasonable. I've had my new truck since December and am dying to lift it.
I would honestly run the 2.5 but I get the want to sit higher. With 2.5 system and the right wheel or a spacer you can run a 37" tire. I am getting a 295/65/20 installed tomorrow. I am going Toyo AT2.
Great Video, Thinking about upgrading my stock F150's with the FOX 2.0's.
you wont regret it
This is so good, we'd love you to run a similar analysis on some Fox 2.5s that we can send you
It might be noteworthy to point out that the fox shocks are also adjustable by someone with the right tools, so you could custom adjust them to your terrain and driving. I run fox on my truck as well.
Excellent point. Different valving can produce very different dampening and rebound behavior. I haven't done it myself but a couple of UA-cam videos make it look doable.
CUDOS!! Actual data. Very direct commentary with no BS or hype.... WOW.
Great video and information! I have the Fox 2.0 #985-24-127 front shocks on my 2001 Land Rover and they are great! Going to get the rears done too.
Shock surplus, sean 1, sean 2, or steve boggs are very helpful IMO.
GREAT job! Good father/son project too.
I see a Bilstein decal what do you think of them?
I have narrowed my choice to koni or bils6for street driven Silverado.
Bilsteins are great but kind of harsh at times. The Fox's seem to find the balance between too soft and too hard.
@@EpicCowlick after a 2 week audition, I find them same ride quality ZX 3 electric shocks on my Silverado, that any bump was stiff as my former home Nova SS I once own.
It had F41 suspension I changed to poly bushings and gas charged shocks it was the roughest in town ride , though on the highway was faster I went better it rode .
Are your Fox for 4x4 used off road?
The Falcons are custom made for each corner. Fox gets positive reviews.
Now to debate Fox vrs. Falcon on a 4x4
Awesome video. I learned a lot and would have never even thought of the difference.
Thank you for taking the time to create this video and a apply a semi-scientific approach to quantify the benefits of these shocks compared to oem. You would think FOX themselves would do something like this in their marketing literature.
Looks good for my downhill bike, been looking to upgrade to fox from rockshox
How about putting some good grease on the bolts for easy installation and to prevent corrosion from forming on in the case you have to remove them again?
That's a great suggestion. I do use a spray on undercoat on all the bolts and steel parts.
Fantastic video and review of the shocks.
It is quite likely that the data points where the forces were less with the OEM shocks could be the places where you bottomed out the rubber travel stops on the frame. The OEM shocks are consistently more harsh and probably absorbed more energy leaving less for the stops to absorb. A video showing the OEM travel would confirm my hypothesis. I think the data shows the Fox dampers are more compliant and allow more travel which lessens the felt forces. That would cause the travel stops to come into play more than they would with the OEM dampers.
Watched a couple of your videos, each time learn something new. Appreciate the details and the data. I am on my 4th super-duty, first one was a dually we lifted 6" and 6" spacers between the rear wheels, with 35's. For comparison, it does not count :) .. I have changed out on the next 2 super-duty's (2012 & 2015) with Bilstein's, but my 2017 the local 4WD parts could not find a match for the truck, I decided to go with the 2.0 like in your video. While I have no data, driving around town I feel the difference, as you say... everyday driving is what we are looking for.
For the record, every truck had the stock "Rancho" shocks and each time I pulled them off, they were junk. One set I let sit on the ground for a week and 2 of the 4 shocks never decompressed after a week. I have changed the stocks shocks at 5k, 15k and 20K miles, funny part was the 5K were the worst.
These trucks are addictive and just plain fun to work on. Seems like they are happiest when you're spending money on upgrades. :)
Great video! Currently have a 14 Raptor with OEM Fox 2.5s and thinking of going 3.0s or Kings. I wish someone would do a video like yours for them.
This is the ultimate review😱
@2:15, you mentioned your dad's trick, but you forgot to only release enough until the bolt slips through. No need to beat it with a hammer. I've been doing that trick for 45 years.
That works too!
Actual data! you're the man!
Like the socket tip
Video is rad sir! Thanks. Love the data. NEED data.
Good job Epic! Now I need to order my set also.
Great video can you give me an update on how these have worked for you during the past two years? Love your videos.
They're still working great. 50K miles. I'm thinking of rebuilding them just for the fun of it.
That footage is savage. Makes you wanna slow down on them bumps next time LOL. 20mph is madness tho especially with such a heavy truck. I have a very hard suspension on a sports sedan w/ 6" clearance and I do 10-15 kmh max before I scrape bumps like that. That's like barely 7-10mph. By the Looks of it you could take those bumps without breaking much which is awesome if you got the money to spare.
SAVAGE! lol
Great video! Thank you for the time you put into this.
Just had mine put on yesterday 💯
Sweet! Can you tell the difference?
Thanks for the video! Its awesome. This was the video I need to convince myself to get em. Thank You!
Real world tests! Thanks.
Since there was no camera video of the oem shocks showing any bump stop engagement and folks state that fox is smoother could it be speculated that the oem shocks may prevent bump stop engagement better than the fox's at the expense of transmitting more shock from smaller perturbations?
It's a fair question but the data shows that the OEM shocks allowed more bump stop engagement than the Fox shocks. The data shows more force transmitted into the truck with the exception of one data point. Subjective driver experience also says the Fox absorb more force in both small and large suspension movements.
Great video with good data, the socket and floor jack helped tons, thank you.
I ended up putting these on my 2018 F-250 6.7 CC SWB 4X4 platinum, the truck already had the 2.5” ready lift with track bar relocation kit. 35” Toyo open country RT tires, 20” method wheels
Honestly these shocks have helped tremendously on large ruts and uneven surfaces, I live in Phoenix AZ and our roads aren’t horrible, I haven’t done any off-roading or been to areas out of the city with bad potholes yet but just around town on some of the interchanges I had where there’d be some rough expansion joints on over passes that would shake and cause some bump steer are barely noticeable,
Any way my personal opinion with my truck and roads I travel I’d say these were a great investment.
That's my take also. Your truck sounds like it's setup perfectly.
I was just thinking about caster bushings and remembered your comment. You described how you'd feel bump steer over expansion joints, etc. This can be caused partially due to not correcting the caster angle after installing that awesome Ready Lift 2.5 kit. You might want to check to see if the factory caster bushings are still in place. If so, you definitely want to have those replaced and restore the caster angle to at least 3.6-3.9 degrees. Some take it further but the bottom line is that with caster angle is too little, the front wheels will shimmy left and right like a shopping cart wheel. Quick and easy fix to restore solid and firm steering feel. It will also extend the life of all your suspension components.
What made you go with the Fox 2.0 vs the 2.5..or even adjustable 2.5. My concern is the weight of these heavy duties and the 2.0 lasting..or absorbing the bumps over a longer period of time. Great informative video like all of them..thanks again.
I picked the 2.0's purely for price. Thought I'd try them out before spending twice as much. I also don't think the external reservoir really provides much benefit on a Super Duty. The adjustability would be a nice feature but I'll let these go awhile before I think about swapping again.
Ive been following your builds..primarily the last build. I still have my 15 F350 and went w 2.5 dual adjustable in the front for that heavy front end and 2.0 adjustable in the rear with bags...and a complete suspension front and rear change out with softer springs with Pure Performance. I like the truck so much and how she rides Im just not ready to get a 17 as much as I want one..maybe a 18 when I get closer to 90-100k. Thanks for the help.
I agree that it's hard to let go of something that is setup just right. It's no small effort or expenditure to do all that stuff and you need to get your money's worth. Sell it when it makes sense, not just because there's something new and shiny. (Make sure you don't go test drive one though, that will screw up the best intentions).
How did you know which way to put the rear shocks on? The directions didn’t say which way they go on?
Not sure if it makes a difference but all the installations I've seen are shaft-down, body up.
I have the fox series 2.0 adjustable coil overs and rear shocks, yes they are worth it.