A wai think about drops that's helped me is instead of moving weight back, I think to "push" the bike forward, it's the exact same movement and technique it just shifts my focus. I like thinking of it this way for 2 reasons, 1: it's helps my timing, stops me going back to early as I'm focused on pushing the bike through the end of the take off and 2: helps me focus on matching the landing or get the wheel down to find grip if there is a corner after etc.
Great video, thanks . I believe the problem with the guy at Sedona was also that he did not look at the drop before, he picked the worst possible line to send it and the front wheel hit that rock and Boom..
2:46 I guess I wasnt paying attention the first time my bad! Awesome video Jeff. The detail in the explanations around the technique are clear and useful. I need to go practice! This video is going to help us all take our drop skills up a level. -Sam
@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss Would you do a video on how to handle different types of rollers? It would be nice to get your advice on how to handle a steep rollers than might have a some pitch changes or ledges.
This is the best drop "how to" video that I've seen so far, and I've watched quite a few! Thanks for posting and for offering such clear instruction for the various types of drops.
after few months of intense biking and trialing this video starting to make sense and how to apply it. Thanks Jeff!!! great video and great explanation!
Great video Jeff. I just wanted to share with you a tip that I can't remember where I heard it from, but if you watch each of your drops here it holds true. Instead of putting your weight back and down when going off of a drop if you slow it down and look you can actually see that you are pushing the bike forward. Pushing the bike forward is the correct approach because it helps to give the bike momentum and keep the front end in the air longer. If you were to just ride off of a drop with your weight back and down the front end would just drop, but if you "throw" the bike forward it helps to keep it in the air and ends in a smooth, safe landing. Thanks and great videos, keep up all of the great work, hoping to see you at Mountain Creek or Mt Penn one day!
Agreed. Im still learning, but pushing the bike through, accelerating it in front of you seems right. I actually commented that on the first upload. Its like get low into the bars and bike then thrust the bike forward at the same time you are leaving the edge of dropp. Right? Since in reality your body is still moving forward as you come to the edge, you push the bike over the edge, which looks like your getting back.
You're a 100 percent right. I used to say "back" and realized people would just lean back. "down and back" seems to make them put pressure into the pedals and that accelerates the bike. It's a nuanced move, it's not only a push and not really a lean back, I think both get the point across. Thanks for helping break it down!
Jacob Sturdevant: Kind of disagree. As Jeff mentions it’s a nuanced thing. Also different techniques are employed by different riders resulting in the same good finish. Down and back is better in my mind because it subtly uses the feet to push the bike forward. To do this your heels must be slightly dropped. Dropped heels make the landing safer and more stable - no chance of “losing” your pedal on landing and bashing your calf when using flat pedals (which I use). But more importantly “down and back” applies finger pressure to the front of your grips/bars pulling back slightly but significantly. (NOT up pressure which is wrong). Again this leads to better control on landing - especially if it’s a big jump - and it aids in the front wheel not diving. Merely pushing the bike forward by applying forward palm pressure on your bars/grips does not prevent the front wheel from dropping. It’s your weight going back approximately over the rear axle that prevents the front wheel from dropping. Subtle but important differences as the drops get more consequential. Now on a jump (tabletop or gap) you do actively push your bike forward with your hands/arms into the jump. 2 pros years ago equated this move to “pushing a shopping cart forward over a raised section of sidewalk”. You do it fast with authority. Your arms go straight. That analogy always stuck with me.
Jacob Sturdevant: yeah, great comment, being a beginner and learning how to drop at slower speeds (just from safety considerations) with 29” hardtail can confirm that pushing bike forward at the edge of drop actually helped me a lot to unweight the front wheel and land both wheels parallel (preloading also helped to synchronize the start of that movement); shifting weight backward only works smoothly for me at higher speeds; i also had a hard time learning how to manual by pushing weight down and backwards, that technique didn’t really work in my case; this video helped me to reset the mind and i switched to preloading and pushing out the bike, so that made a difference and i started to feel that balance much better, so was able to hold my front wheel in the air much longer. I watched tons of different videos and channels at UA-cam but this’s probably the best one in terms of explaining all the ingredients and nuances of drop offs, teaching how to keeping right balance in different drop scenarios and also explaining some basics such as how to lift the front wheel out of the ground (opinion of super green beginner)
Your technique punches the bike forward with a burst of velocity. That does not keep the front end in the air longer. It does get the back wheel off of the drop sooner. That will cause the the bike to be closer to horizontal as it arcs downward.
I love you man!! Like MANLY LOVE not that other love. Much respects for these vids. The DOWNWARD DROP tips really helped me out at Carter Roads 2nd Finger drop.
Just started MtBing a couple months ago and hit my first 1’ flat drop last weekend w the help of a friends advice! If you snowboard, Ollie’s are conceptually the same (tho technically different obv) and that helped a ton with learning how to approach the drop. Pre-load w the knees and shift forward to get weight onto the tail before the takeoff.
@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss You have a guy in the video going OTB in Sedona in front of your class (@ 0:20), I was just joking around that he tells his friends that story. The closest I ever got to meeting you was at Oskar Blues in Brevard, I was riding in Dupont and my brother broke his RD and I was late getting there, when I pulled in your guys were hammering out of the parking lot. Maybe next time!
Huge props on this man! I have been trying to teach a buddy these concepts and I think this will help him a lot where I can't. I just keep saying "dropping is just different kinds of manuals" and I couldn't find a way to make it click for him. This is the first video I have watched of yours and just for the quality of this one I'm going to sub for more of your content. Great work and I appreciate the effort!
Hi Jeff, this is an awesome video! The concepts are explained very clearly. The videos and the running commentary are spot on. Super tight and crisp. I had to watch it a few times over to start to understand the technique. I expect to come back to your video as I start practicing jumps. Thank you!!
Vero good explanation! This is the first time I find your channel and I like the way you explain the different kind of drops and how to manage the weight. I understood perfectly the concept of preload. Thank you, greetings from Colombia
This is a brilliant! I already can drop, but i don't know how i perform it. So i was afraid that sometime my "intuitive drop technique" will fail and i'll crash. Thanks for explaining this so clearly!
Going off drops is just a question of manualing to a degree to keep the front end up. and easing off the lip The degree of manual depends on the type of drop. I don't preload or pump the suspension. I was taught to preload the suspension only when you want to generate some height by compressing the suspension and then pushing off , like for a bunny hop or jump. Worked my way to 5-6 foot drops this way. Rode all them drops in Sedona too, good fun.
You get a like and a subscribe for reading my mind. I’ve been eye balling a downward angled rock slab drop for a while. Its in steep terrain with questionable run out in an area not frequently ridden.
@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss I was up at windham Sunday and hit their drop. Once I did it, I hit it every time down. It's maybe 6ft. My biggest to date. Question - any tips on how to NOT let the bike drop and your feet come off the pedals? Happens to me sometimes and it makes me worry. Is there something I'm doing wrong? On jumps it doesn't happen but on drops it sometimes does...
The Big Lenosky strikes again - the downward drop section is just what I need to tackle a technical downward drop on my home mtn that has been giving me trouble. Your timing couldn't be better - thx man!
I think i can speak for a lot of us out there...I think we know in our heads how something is done..Its making it happen physically and mentally is where the issue is..IF i were to even do a 12" drop I would poo myself and probably cry from the happiness. ive always wanted to be an amazing bike rider spawning way back to my 80s BMX freestyle days to now riding trails and roads..Since im no spring chicken anymore i realize most of its a dream..Good teaching Jeff as usual bud..
I head out to creek every Tuesday/Thursday now! My drop skills are definitely better than my jumping though. I do Phantom easily but struggle to clear the biggest tabletop on breakout.
I have a downward, off camber with lots of bumps kind of drop with about a 4ft drop that I have been wanting to hit. This helped me gain some confidence on how I can approach that. 👌🏽
Jeff , how do I send you some photos? Just finished your ramp build. You might even recognize the parking lot it’s in now. I made a few miner changes in the frame so it could be be build at my home shop then transported. That you would probably find interesting. Thanks for posting your build! Dave
Ok, as someone confident with hitting all kinds of drops I am confused about the preload. To me timing that preload seems to add a period of instability in your setup. Yes, it will unweight the bike over rough terrain at takeoff but staying in a ready position and "floating" (keeping arms and legs loose to absorb small undulations) seems to my knowledge to be a safer more consistent way to approach technical drops. Especially with that example in Sedona where it is almost a small roll into a drop with barely a bike length before the edge. Just my two cents and would really appreciate clarification. I do want to say, I have never seen someone break down drops so thoroughly before. These kind of videos will be instrumental for the next generation of riders. I also love the graphics with center of mass and center of support visualized.
Just to note, there is a slight lift in the front wheel that actually makes you stay level/ parallel to the ground. You won't visibly see the lift as you are dropping but you will see clearly that your bike will be leveled/ parallel to the ground because there is a lift keeping the front wheel up leveled. The lift prevents you from going over the handlebars. If you do the lean back fast enough and as you can see when he leans, the arms naturally pushed out the handlebars forward, which they actually naturally pulled the handlebars too. You don't want to actively pull on the handlebars! This is a mistake you need to avoid! Just like the wheelies you don't actively pull the handlebars up or you will lose balance and loop out. Your arms are like a string so leaning back and pedalling hard makes, your arms or lets call it the strings they are attached to your body and handlebars causes a slight pull bringing front wheel up when you lean back. The drop will have different technique than wheelie. What I said above was just saying if you lean back you do naturally push or pull on the handlebars. It's hard to explain. You try it on flat ground and you will see what I mean, when you lean back it the lean causes you to push handlebars out slightly but your also pulling them, or when you lean back it causes you to pull which your also pushing the handlebars. It's the same movement whatever way you think about it. You should see that your wheel should lift up a bit when doing it on flat ground. But don't actively pull the bars as you will lose balance, it's a beginner mistake!
@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss No problem, your doing it right though😂. Am just telling beginners just in case. It's so hard to explain though. Just didn't want them to think that simply having weight back somehow magically keeps the front wheel up.
It was in #3 Here it is again: The take off is 38 inches high with an 11.5 foot transition and 48 inches wide The landing is 42 inches tall. the downslope is 10 feet long and the case pad is 2 feet. The overall width is 8 feet. I used 8 sheets of 3/4 inch plywood to cut all the sides and landing ramp surfaces and 2 sheets of 1/2 plywood doubled up for the ramp take off surface. The total number of 2x4s was approx 20
you need to be SUPER comfortable with your techniques. Wait until your wheel is literally creeping over the edge with your weight a little further forward then normal. Then shift your weight down and back to accelerate the bike off the drop.
This is helpful Jeff. Of all the MTB skills, dropping seems to have the most disparity in technique. But this is a common sense approach which even my little brain can process. 😂
Are you using a dedicated downhill mountain bike in your videos? I'm riding an enduro. For those of us who are using a trail or enduro bike at bike parks, do we need to change any of our techniques cuz we're not riding a DH bike?
Hi Jett, thank you for the video of the drops, really learning material. I am 51 and been riding only for a month and starting to get on technical things. I do well w most of them, but one thing I am a little iffy is curves. What can you suggest? Again, thank you and advance. Regards, Areus.
When you're describing "preload", it appears that you're pushing the bars away. Is the maneuver more of a pushing on the bars, or is it more of a rearward weight shift and your arms end up pulling on them? Love your videos.
It depends on the situation. For a flat drop its a drop with your arms and legs then a press up to lighten your bike, not jump, just lighten, example, you could do the same thing before hitting a rock garden at speed to help float over it. On a drop you're preloading and doing a subtle shift down and back. When you're doing the downward sloping drop, the preload is pretty much all arms into the handlebars and push up so that while you're momentarily unweighted you can lift the front wheel so it doesn't go into the ground since that's the direction momentum is taking you. Does that clarify it?
@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss yes, but when you say push up, do you mean pull up? Downward drops, are always intimidating to me. I prefer to feel the pop off a lip, instead of it just fading away. I suppose all of these are speed specific. 7 years ago I remember the first time I attempted a drop to flat on my 29er, and I didn't account for the longer wheelbase. It resulted in broken ribs, flattened front wheel and my fork bent backwards.
If are unsure what to do just try a small drop like a large curb, just pull up enough to keep bike from nose diving But on small drops can get away with doing nothing or even doing it wrong
Every person that has a tutorial says something different, I watched one where you don't drop your weight back instead you lean forward and get your front end down asap. On the trail I ride the most if you move your weight back you will loose control but if you dip your front end first it's so smooth.
Rich Drew is a great coach but I don't really agree with his theory on drops. You want to ride with light hands and heavy feet, the shift down and back accelerates your bike forward... imagine sitting in a chair and slipping both legs into a pair of pants. Some people say push the bike forward, I say down and back... both are trying to convey the idea of getting your hips momentarily behind the rear axle, either style you want to do as little movement as you need to to keep a sound smooth body position on the bike.
@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss Yeah I see your point, when I dip the front end first I still have my body centered over the bottom bracket, the drop on my trail is steep and not flat and it's a right turn immediately after that. The other video I watched had the same thing kinda so in my case having that control of the bike immediately is a must, in the past I watched GMBN and I pulled back before the drop and it was harder to get control of the bike as the landing was harsher. But I can see what your saying cause on the same trail tere are a couple of drops where you don't want to do front wheel first as you will hit the roots. I guess it's just a matter of situation. Thanks for the info.
Sorry to take up your time but this is the video I watched,the trail is similar except the drop is a wooden feature.ua-cam.com/video/DQvyUmb1KRI/v-deo.html
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Great work on this Jeff! You did a really awesome job explaining everything!
Thanks!
Greetings...enjoy your channel Kyle and April. Hope your Health is getting better. Kindness from Australia.
@Kyle & April still waiting for your videos from Berm Park
A wai think about drops that's helped me is instead of moving weight back, I think to "push" the bike forward, it's the exact same movement and technique it just shifts my focus. I like thinking of it this way for 2 reasons, 1: it's helps my timing, stops me going back to early as I'm focused on pushing the bike through the end of the take off and 2: helps me focus on matching the landing or get the wheel down to find grip if there is a corner after etc.
really great point!
*"...Because Not **_ALL_** drops are created equal"* Lol *Love it!* _Great video!_ 💪
Jeff, this is the most ultimate drop video made. That POV at the end was epic. Also, the supporting actors did a superb job!
Jeff Thank you for this vid, 🙏 will be playing it over and over again throughout my healing process of my collarbone.
Great Video. The overlays are very helpful!
Great video, thanks .
I believe the problem with the guy at Sedona was also that he did not look at the drop before, he picked the worst possible line to send it and the front wheel hit that rock and Boom..
Nice dude. The end was dope. Congrats to whoever that was who nailed the cabin!
thanks homie
Anyone else confident with drops yet you still watch coz it’s entertaining
Alex McLean thank you.
Jeff Lenosky no problem
Yes
No me, ive never done one and I'm going to bentonville next week
2:46 I guess I wasnt paying attention the first time my bad! Awesome video Jeff. The detail in the explanations around the technique are clear and useful. I need to go practice! This video is going to help us all take our drop skills up a level.
-Sam
That was a great break down and perhaps the most helpful drop video I have watched. Thanks Jeff!!
Tried the technique to pre-load the fork on downward sloped drops and it was a game changer. Awesome advice.
awesome, glad it helped!
@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss Would you do a video on how to handle different types of rollers? It would be nice to get your advice on how to handle a steep rollers than might have a some pitch changes or ledges.
This is the best drop "how to" video that I've seen so far, and I've watched quite a few! Thanks for posting and for offering such clear instruction for the various types of drops.
Very informative video. Amazing presentation which is easily understood. Thanks Jeff !!!
after few months of intense biking and trialing this video starting to make sense and how to apply it. Thanks Jeff!!! great video and great explanation!
Thank much for the time you took to make this. Really helps out a lot
Jeff !!! I love your videos. You're the fkn man, thanks dude !!!
i love watching mtb trail like this, nice video for the firstimer mtb biketrail
Great video Jeff. I just wanted to share with you a tip that I can't remember where I heard it from, but if you watch each of your drops here it holds true. Instead of putting your weight back and down when going off of a drop if you slow it down and look you can actually see that you are pushing the bike forward. Pushing the bike forward is the correct approach because it helps to give the bike momentum and keep the front end in the air longer. If you were to just ride off of a drop with your weight back and down the front end would just drop, but if you "throw" the bike forward it helps to keep it in the air and ends in a smooth, safe landing. Thanks and great videos, keep up all of the great work, hoping to see you at Mountain Creek or Mt Penn one day!
Agreed. Im still learning, but pushing the bike through, accelerating it in front of you seems right. I actually commented that on the first upload. Its like get low into the bars and bike then thrust the bike forward at the same time you are leaving the edge of dropp. Right? Since in reality your body is still moving forward as you come to the edge, you push the bike over the edge, which looks like your getting back.
You're a 100 percent right. I used to say "back" and realized people would just lean back. "down and back" seems to make them put pressure into the pedals and that accelerates the bike. It's a nuanced move, it's not only a push and not really a lean back, I think both get the point across. Thanks for helping break it down!
Jacob Sturdevant: Kind of disagree. As Jeff mentions it’s a nuanced thing. Also different techniques are employed by different riders resulting in the same good finish. Down and back is better in my mind because it subtly uses the feet to push the bike forward. To do this your heels must be slightly dropped. Dropped heels make the landing safer and more stable - no chance of “losing” your pedal on landing and bashing your calf when using flat pedals (which I use). But more importantly “down and back” applies finger pressure to the front of your grips/bars pulling back slightly but significantly. (NOT up pressure which is wrong). Again this leads to better control on landing - especially if it’s a big jump - and it aids in the front wheel not diving. Merely pushing the bike forward by applying forward palm pressure on your bars/grips does not prevent the front wheel from dropping. It’s your weight going back approximately over the rear axle that prevents the front wheel from dropping. Subtle but important differences as the drops get more consequential. Now on a jump (tabletop or gap) you do actively push your bike forward with your hands/arms into the jump. 2 pros years ago equated this move to “pushing a shopping cart forward over a raised section of sidewalk”. You do it fast with authority. Your arms go straight. That analogy always stuck with me.
Jacob Sturdevant: yeah, great comment, being a beginner and learning how to drop at slower speeds (just from safety considerations) with 29” hardtail can confirm that pushing bike forward at the edge of drop actually helped me a lot to unweight the front wheel and land both wheels parallel (preloading also helped to synchronize the start of that movement); shifting weight backward only works smoothly for me at higher speeds; i also had a hard time learning how to manual by pushing weight down and backwards, that technique didn’t really work in my case; this video helped me to reset the mind and i switched to preloading and pushing out the bike, so that made a difference and i started to feel that balance much better, so was able to hold my front wheel in the air much longer. I watched tons of different videos and channels at UA-cam but this’s probably the best one in terms of explaining all the ingredients and nuances of drop offs, teaching how to keeping right balance in different drop scenarios and also explaining some basics such as how to lift the front wheel out of the ground (opinion of super green beginner)
Your technique punches the bike forward with a burst of velocity. That does not keep the front end in the air longer. It does get the back wheel off of the drop sooner. That will cause the the bike to be closer to horizontal as it arcs downward.
Technical and simple !!!! Welldone
thank you!
I love you man!! Like MANLY LOVE not that other love. Much respects for these vids. The DOWNWARD DROP tips really helped me out at Carter Roads 2nd Finger drop.
Just started MtBing a couple months ago and hit my first 1’ flat drop last weekend w the help of a friends advice! If you snowboard, Ollie’s are conceptually the same (tho technically different obv) and that helped a ton with learning how to approach the drop. Pre-load w the knees and shift forward to get weight onto the tail before the takeoff.
Thank you very much for your videos from italy
great tips. loved the triangle with center of gravity and axles. great visual.
THanks Brian, I did that in my manual video as well!
@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss Shoot. I might have to go back and watch some more of your videos. Thanks T. Boss
Awesome video Jeff Great content 👍
Just beginning, I have a lot of questions. This helped a ton! Thanks!
"Did I ever tell you about the time I met Jeff Lenosky? He was doing a clinic when I came by and I went OTB in front of everyone".
where?
Illuminati
@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss You have a guy in the video going OTB in Sedona in front of your class (@ 0:20), I was just joking around that he tells his friends that story. The closest I ever got to meeting you was at Oskar Blues in Brevard, I was riding in Dupont and my brother broke his RD and I was late getting there, when I pulled in your guys were hammering out of the parking lot. Maybe next time!
@@southernaccent that would be my style back in the day, even knowing how to drop I'd get all nervous and boom! Haha. Just everyone saying "oohhhhhh"
Thanks for posting these tips! I've got a fool-proof technique for all the drops I come across.......I get off my bike and walk them. 😂
Wow, great vid Jeff- thanks. Downward drops are the tough ones for me, and I’ve yours is the first vid I’ve seen on them. Awesome work.
Glad it was helpful!
I love it how my local bike park has a trainie flat easy drop and a crazy down drops in piles of mud.
Thanks for putting this together! It has been very helpful with teaching new/younger riders.
Glad it helps
Huge props on this man! I have been trying to teach a buddy these concepts and I think this will help him a lot where I can't. I just keep saying "dropping is just different kinds of manuals" and I couldn't find a way to make it click for him.
This is the first video I have watched of yours and just for the quality of this one I'm going to sub for more of your content. Great work and I appreciate the effort!
Russell Baker thank you Russ!!!
Nice video. I’m going out to try some drops now. Thanks.
Great explanation Jeff, thanks
Hi Jeff, this is an awesome video! The concepts are explained very clearly. The videos and the running commentary are spot on. Super tight and crisp. I had to watch it a few times over to start to understand the technique. I expect to come back to your video as I start practicing jumps. Thank you!!
The best tutorial I've haverá seen abouth these theme.
Vero good explanation! This is the first time I find your channel and I like the way you explain the different kind of drops and how to manage the weight. I understood perfectly the concept of preload. Thank you, greetings from Colombia
Thank you! Please tell your friends about the videos and check out some others!
Hell yeah. I remember watching one of your trials demos up at nemba fest few years back ! You got me so stoked to go tear up Burke mtn!
Awesome! I can't wait to get back there
This is a brilliant! I already can drop, but i don't know how i perform it. So i was afraid that sometime my "intuitive drop technique" will fail and i'll crash. Thanks for explaining this so clearly!
Very useful tips as always. Looking forward to putting this into practice. Thanks again!
Going off drops is just a question of manualing to a degree to keep the front end up. and easing off the lip The degree of manual depends on the type of drop. I don't preload or pump the suspension. I was taught to preload the suspension only when you want to generate some height by compressing the suspension and then pushing off , like for a bunny hop or jump. Worked my way to 5-6 foot drops this way. Rode all them drops in Sedona too, good fun.
Marc André Coutu that’s awesome! I don’t preload for height I preload to float a little to glide over bumpy take offs
Fantastic explanation.!
You get a like and a subscribe for reading my mind. I’ve been eye balling a downward angled rock slab drop for a while. Its in steep terrain with questionable run out in an area not frequently ridden.
Thanks for the sub and for checking it out!
Good stuff dude. Keep it up the good work.
Aaron MacIntyre thanks for checking out the video!
Thanks for the vid
going to head over to the creek on monday and work on it
Rad!
Love the content and love to learn from a Pro. Keep up the great content. Thank you
Thank you Keenan, glad you like it.
Great video Jeff. Thanks for explaining body position in detail. I understand drops better now!
Another great set of tips! Thanks Jeff. I’ll find some drops to session tomorrow
I ride at mountain creek too. Just started this year. That red bull drop at the end is huge. You have big brass ones my man...very nice!
THanks Mike
@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss I was up at windham Sunday and hit their drop. Once I did it, I hit it every time down. It's maybe 6ft. My biggest to date.
Question - any tips on how to NOT let the bike drop and your feet come off the pedals? Happens to me sometimes and it makes me worry. Is there something I'm doing wrong? On jumps it doesn't happen but on drops it sometimes does...
Best drop explanation on YT!
Thanks for checking it out!
I love drops they are so much fun!
The Big Lenosky strikes again - the downward drop section is just what I need to tackle a technical downward drop on my home mtn that has been giving me trouble. Your timing couldn't be better - thx man!
SWEET
Thank you for sharing. It very informative vid😍
Great coaching man! Definitely helped me. Thank you
Top advice. Also this bike is much better proportioned than the giant you were riding before which looked much to small.
100 percent agree!
Thank you so much for this 👏👏. Think it's the best tutorial 👏🤗
I think i can speak for a lot of us out there...I think we know in our heads how something is done..Its making it happen physically and mentally is where the issue is..IF i were to even do a 12" drop I would poo myself and probably cry from the happiness. ive always wanted to be an amazing bike rider spawning way back to my 80s BMX freestyle days to now riding trails and roads..Since im no spring chicken anymore i realize most of its a dream..Good teaching Jeff as usual bud..
Thanks Mike and thanks for watching all my vids.
Videos are on point J. Thank you
Tommy Delgado thanks Tommy
I learnt these methods by trial and error, and they work, there are even more ways to do them. But these are the easiest for me
This is awesome!! Super useful info for anyone
Thanks for checking it out rockstar!
Thanks for teaching brader..,
Very nice video..👍
Ride safe guyz...
Love the analytics!
thanks dude! I'd love to do more Brake Ace videos!
@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss yes plz
I head out to creek every Tuesday/Thursday now! My drop skills are definitely better than my jumping though. I do Phantom easily but struggle to clear the biggest tabletop on breakout.
Great video 👍🏼
Awesome tips Jeff!
Thanks!
Great video
Thank you!!
Thanks for take your time and explains to to us
Thanks for checking it out!
New subs.here sir,thanks for the tips,stay safe and godbless❤️,watching here from PHILIPPINES🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭💪🏻💪🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Very good!! 👏👏👏👏👏
This is really gonna help me with drops now I wasn’t that good at them but from this i think I’ll be 5 times better
Maybe even 6 times better
Lol
Great video! I sure hope the rider at Sedona was OK!
she broke her collarbone but my friend has stayed in contact and it sounds like she's ok
I have a downward, off camber with lots of bumps kind of drop with about a 4ft drop that I have been wanting to hit. This helped me gain some confidence on how I can approach that. 👌🏽
Rad!
This video help me to teach a friend definitely deserves a like and sub keep it up 💪
Very useful boss thanks
Nice tutor bro, iam a newbi and its a good video.
Thank you! Glad it helps!
Jeff , how do I send you some photos? Just finished your ramp build. You might even recognize the parking lot it’s in now. I made a few miner changes in the frame so it could be be build at my home shop then transported. That you would probably find interesting. Thanks for posting your build! Dave
send them on instagram. @jefflenosky cool?
Subscribed, looking forward to learning
Awesome! Check out some of my older videos too!
Good explanation!
Thank you Jeff that works 👍
Thank Colin!
What bike do you used for that kind of drops, i wanto to buy my first bike 🚲 wich one should i get to do that?
Ok, as someone confident with hitting all kinds of drops I am confused about the preload. To me timing that preload seems to add a period of instability in your setup. Yes, it will unweight the bike over rough terrain at takeoff but staying in a ready position and "floating" (keeping arms and legs loose to absorb small undulations) seems to my knowledge to be a safer more consistent way to approach technical drops. Especially with that example in Sedona where it is almost a small roll into a drop with barely a bike length before the edge. Just my two cents and would really appreciate clarification.
I do want to say, I have never seen someone break down drops so thoroughly before. These kind of videos will be instrumental for the next generation of riders. I also love the graphics with center of mass and center of support visualized.
Just to note, there is a slight lift in the front wheel that actually makes you stay level/ parallel to the ground.
You won't visibly see the lift as you are dropping but you will see clearly that your bike will be leveled/ parallel to the ground because there is a lift keeping the front wheel up leveled.
The lift prevents you from going over the handlebars.
If you do the lean back fast enough and as you can see when he leans, the arms naturally pushed out the handlebars forward, which they actually naturally pulled the handlebars too.
You don't want to actively pull on the handlebars! This is a mistake you need to avoid!
Just like the wheelies you don't actively pull the handlebars up or you will lose balance and loop out. Your arms are like a string so leaning back and pedalling hard makes, your arms or lets call it the strings they are attached to your body and handlebars causes a slight pull bringing front wheel up when you lean back.
The drop will have different technique than wheelie.
What I said above was just saying if you lean back you do naturally push or pull on the handlebars. It's hard to explain.
You try it on flat ground and you will see what I mean, when you lean back it the lean causes you to push handlebars out slightly but your also pulling them, or when you lean back it causes you to pull which your also pushing the handlebars. It's the same movement whatever way you think about it.
You should see that your wheel should lift up a bit when doing it on flat ground.
But don't actively pull the bars as you will lose balance, it's a beginner mistake!
Thanks for the tips!
@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss No problem, your doing it right though😂. Am just telling beginners just in case. It's so hard to explain though. Just didn't want them to think that simply having weight back somehow magically keeps the front wheel up.
Love these videos!!
Thanks Eric
Which video did you include full measurements for the ramps? I thought you wrote a comment saying they would be in episode 2. Thanks Dave
It was in #3 Here it is again:
The take off is 38 inches high with an 11.5 foot transition and 48 inches wide
The landing is 42 inches tall. the downslope is 10 feet long and the case pad is 2 feet. The overall width is 8 feet.
I used 8 sheets of 3/4 inch plywood to cut all the sides and landing ramp surfaces and 2 sheets of 1/2 plywood doubled up for the ramp take off surface. The total number of 2x4s was approx 20
Love the mcbp vids
Excellent video and description. Thank you! Any suggestions for drops that have technical protected entries to prevent carrying speed?
you need to be SUPER comfortable with your techniques. Wait until your wheel is literally creeping over the edge with your weight a little further forward then normal. Then shift your weight down and back to accelerate the bike off the drop.
This is helpful Jeff. Of all the MTB skills, dropping seems to have the most disparity in technique. But this is a common sense approach which even my little brain can process. 😂
Thank you!
Thanks for sharing! Do you offer any 1on1 coaching?
Know that drop on Tempest well. You didn’t mention that it sneaks up on you. Thanks for the great breakdown of techniques.
Thanks Dean, hope to see ya at the mountain.
Are you using a dedicated downhill mountain bike in your videos? I'm riding an enduro. For those of us who are using a trail or enduro bike at bike parks, do we need to change any of our techniques cuz we're not riding a DH bike?
So basically slide / move weight back on higher speed and mini manual /preload to back on bumpy /slower speed
Thank you for the video.
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Some real good tips!
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Hi Jett, thank you for the video of the drops, really learning material.
I am 51 and been riding only for a month and starting to get on technical things.
I do well w most of them, but one thing I am a little iffy is curves.
What can you suggest?
Again, thank you and advance.
Regards,
Areus.
Areus Neto berms? Try entering wide. Look through the turn. Eyes up looking forward and lean to match the bank.
@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss Thank you, noted!
When you're describing "preload", it appears that you're pushing the bars away. Is the maneuver more of a pushing on the bars, or is it more of a rearward weight shift and your arms end up pulling on them? Love your videos.
It depends on the situation. For a flat drop its a drop with your arms and legs then a press up to lighten your bike, not jump, just lighten, example, you could do the same thing before hitting a rock garden at speed to help float over it. On a drop you're preloading and doing a subtle shift down and back. When you're doing the downward sloping drop, the preload is pretty much all arms into the handlebars and push up so that while you're momentarily unweighted you can lift the front wheel so it doesn't go into the ground since that's the direction momentum is taking you. Does that clarify it?
@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss yes, but when you say push up, do you mean pull up? Downward drops, are always intimidating to me. I prefer to feel the pop off a lip, instead of it just fading away. I suppose all of these are speed specific. 7 years ago I remember the first time I attempted a drop to flat on my 29er, and I didn't account for the longer wheelbase. It resulted in broken ribs, flattened front wheel and my fork bent backwards.
If are unsure what to do just try a small drop like a large curb, just pull up enough to keep bike from nose diving
But on small drops can get away with doing nothing or even doing it wrong
Every person that has a tutorial says something different, I watched one where you don't drop your weight back instead you lean forward and get your front end down asap. On the trail I ride the most if you move your weight back you will loose control but if you dip your front end first it's so smooth.
Rich Drew is a great coach but I don't really agree with his theory on drops. You want to ride with light hands and heavy feet, the shift down and back accelerates your bike forward... imagine sitting in a chair and slipping both legs into a pair of pants. Some people say push the bike forward, I say down and back... both are trying to convey the idea of getting your hips momentarily behind the rear axle, either style you want to do as little movement as you need to to keep a sound smooth body position on the bike.
@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss Yeah I see your point, when I dip the front end first I still have my body centered over the bottom bracket, the drop on my trail is steep and not flat and it's a right turn immediately after that. The other video I watched had the same thing kinda so in my case having that control of the bike immediately is a must, in the past I watched GMBN and I pulled back before the drop and it was harder to get control of the bike as the landing was harsher. But I can see what your saying cause on the same trail tere are a couple of drops where you don't want to do front wheel first as you will hit the roots. I guess it's just a matter of situation. Thanks for the info.
Sorry to take up your time but this is the video I watched,the trail is similar except the drop is a wooden feature.ua-cam.com/video/DQvyUmb1KRI/v-deo.html