John Deere 9510 vs Fendt 1167 || Surprising Results
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- Опубліковано 22 лис 2023
- Welcome to an epic showdown in the heart of the fields - our latest UA-cam video brings you an intense comparison between the John Deere 9510 RT and the Fendt 1167, as they tackle the challenging task of pulling the formidable Lemken Karat 9 chisel plow. Unleash the power of cutting-edge agriculture as these behemoths of the farm world go head-to-head, showcasing raw strength, advanced technology, and precision farming at its finest. Join us for an in-depth exploration of each machine’s capabilities, efficiency, and the groundbreaking features that define the future of modern agriculture. The results will leave you surprised. Whether you’re a seasoned farmer seeking insights or a machinery enthusiast eager for a front-row seat to the action, this video promises an exhilarating look into the world of high-performance tractors and heavy-duty implements. Don’t miss the chance to witness the clash of these agricultural titans - subscribe now for an immersive experience in the world of cutting-edge farming equipment! @LEMKENAgrovision @FendtTV @JohnDeere
As a German, I am of course delighted when an American farmer appreciates German equipment. The best tillage equipment comes mainly from Europe, most of it from Germany.
Lemken is a good company, tillage equipment is not their strongest point except when it comes to ploughs but the Karat is quite good. If you ever have the chance to demo a Horsch Tiger or Köckerling Vector, do it, you will love it.
I’ll have to look into that for next year. I’m glad you liked the video. We love lemken on our farm. We have 3 of there machines
Absolutely not your fault.
But these comparisons especially in the performance department, are apples to donkeys.
Track widths, total weight,age and options are huge metrics .
1.5 mph difference @+ 4.5 mph is 33%,fuel 25/29is only 18%.
According to Mike Mitchell a Fendt cannot go a full long day on fuel/def,but will get more acreage done based off the increase in speed.
The former are all performance.
Now to ergonomics.
You being 6'6 an uncomfortable.....is me 20 yrs ago in an R# Mac on a dump trailer with no air ride (frame or seat) on no-till...running silage to a pit.
Every 2 hrs I took 15 minutes to stop the world from shaking 😅.
Cost per acre isn't even the best metric,our 801 Jubilee was cost effective...but with a freeze coming would be pissing in the wind.
In the end I really enjoyed the comparison.
Have you ever noticed motor trend will compare Ford/Chevy/Ram using different engines, and chassis....but never all crewcab 4x4 with same gearing and closest engine size?
This was the closest comparison we could get you never going to get an exact comparison because John Deere, and Fendt, don’t make the exact same machine. I’m glad you enjoyed the video. I’m going to try and do another one in the spring, hopefully with all new tractors.
German tillage equipment is by far top tier compared to North American built machines. I may be a little bias as my dad came from Germany and that my family is to my knowledge the only dealer for Kockerling tillage tools in North America. We are based in southern Manitoba, Canada!
@@robertstanze6402 oh that‘s cool, the Köckerling machines are actually built 20 kilometres from our farm here in Germany. They make great equipment, the tools for shallow tillage they make, the Allrounder and Vario are the best one the market.
Great video really like seeing real world tests from real farmers.All the deeres I've driven have had nice cabs and I much prefer power shift over cvt I have more control over wet conditions.
I agree. I’m glad you like the video.
Nice Video. Just a few thoughts on the comparison.
Mick Michell compares the pulling power of the 1167 with the 9R620 after using it for 2 years.
Compare IVT with IVT. Its more fair. (Why doesn’t semi’s have ivt gearboxes?)
If you use gallons/acre instead of gallons/hour it makes the real comparison easier.
The workspeed doesn’t rise linearly with horsepower. More speed more friction,more horsepower needed.
My last thought,remember that no company really care for any of us farmers,they care about the stakeholders and profit margins. The only way to keep them in check is to not do their marketing on their behalf.
Maybe if there were better/more competition in the market,the prices on equipment would go down.
Have a great day,greetings from South Africa.
Thanks for the input. Glad you enjoyed it
I enjoy seeing how these operate. Always was curious about the GPS and synching up everything. Well done!
Thanks I’m glad you enjoyed it
Hi, I'm a Belgian farmer, I discovered your videos and I love it.
One day, you should try to use the Itec on the John Deere, it's very simple to use and it only takes 2 second to activate. I rum my third tractor with it and now i can't work without. (Sorry for the mistakes, Emglish isn't my first languages)
I think I’m going to try to figure that out next year I really liked that feature on the Fendt
I’m glad you liked the videos
Simon, your English is fine. Your comment is appreciated.
Better than my Flemish!
I just appreciate all the comments
New subscriber. Nice field time with both tractors. The Lemon is impressive.
I’m glad you enjoyed it
Lemken?
I’ve posted in one of your other videos I believe, but the CVT is terrible for putting power to the ground. Power shift is still relevant for a reason.
I think you’re right
'Terrible' is definitely the wrong word to describe the efficiency of Fendt's CVT. It's pretty good indeed, even if a modern Powershift might be better. That can be seen in the Nebraska tests and I also heard that others came to the conclusion that the 1167 can hold up with an 9620 RX.
On the Jd, I use the auto shift feature. To use that, push the f1 button then use the thumb wheel on the shift lever, to set your target speed in mph. The tractor then takes over the transmission control and throttle control to reach the target speed. The tractor is the most efficient this way. Fendt does the same thing, but it is a ctv or as jd would say ivt transmission. You don't need to access the headland management to use the auto shift feature in the Deere. The 1167 has a good 100 horsepower more then the 510 jd. The 9620r jd comes more close in horsepower.
I will have to try that. I am going to try to get a closer hp comparison in the spring.
ITS an E23 transmission 😂
Muito bom vídeo, John deere é tradição 💪🏽
Thanks I’m glad you enjoyed it
Hi Rocky. I have not done any farm ground preparation since 1969. I can understand the economics of 1 pass ground preparation , but am curious as to how the seed bed compares to the old style mouldboard plough, disc it, spring tooth cultivate it style that I grew up with ? Thanks mate. Alex
You know, we never have used a plow like that. For potatoes, we always used to rip it in the fall, and then we would chisel plow it in the spring before planting but with this new Lemken, we just chisel plow in the fall, and in the spring.
love the different camera angles
I’m glad you liked it
Good test, the Fendt people talk about their vario transmission matching rpm with load & speed to optimize efficiency. What they never say is how much power is lost through their transmission vs a power shift. I’ve even heard Fendt fans express how technologically more advanced their equipment is vs American built. This misses the whole point. In the USA farmers have big acres, pull wide implements with high horsepower. The amount of HP lost through the transmission matters.
Each Powershift transmission has a different level of efficiency. Even each gear of a Powershift transmission has a different efficiency than the next. So you can't say that in general terms. On the whole, an e23, for example, should be more efficient in the field than a VarioDrive. In the Nebraska test, the 1167 performed pretty well compared to a 9620 RX or 9RT 570 if you look at the consumption. So the Fendt really does not seem to be inefficient.
Great point! I know there is alot of power loss in the Fendt
my boss has a fendt 1038, that cvt is really good for most stuff but if you need max pulling power for tilling a powershift is the way to go. the cvt runs the trencher better thought, need the speed control for it. mike less has a video of the deutz running the prototype if you want see it running
I’ll have to check it out
@roadrunner681 u got a link to that? Can‘t find the video :)
I spend most of time living vicariously through other farmers but I would love to one day be able to compare tractors side by side like this! Thanks you for making this video! As a viewer I need some help on a couple of things relative to this test.
You mentioned the fendt was 160 hp more than the Deere which is misleading. Your Deere has a max power in the ballpark of 560 hp at 1900(ish) rpm. While the fendt is 670 at the engine, certainly some of that is lost through the drive train making your available hp much closer than you lead viewers to believe. With that in mind, what would you say your expectation was for a speed difference between the 2 machines? From the couple of quick clips you showed in each tractor I’m seeing the fendt pulling at >20% faster…..
Do you have seat time in a more current production 620hp Deere or case tractor?
I don’t recall you mentioning slip% between either tractor. How did you determine true ground speed of each machine? The number in the Deere pillar is not true ground speed…
While you provide quantitative performance data, the data feels very “seat of your pants”. Do you have access to any 3rd party tools (farm mobile pucs for example) that would allow you to build performance averages over time to take the “seat of the pants” feel and emotion out of the comparison?
Do you know the weight of each tractor?
You have 5000+ hours running the Deere. How many hours do you have running the 1167? Who trained you on optimization of the tractor?
Overall great video that I found entertaining and enjoyed watching. Just looking for a bit of additional context around the comparison.
I did not know at the time that the fence was losing so much power because of the transmission I was just going off of what the horsepower numbers were I know now that they were closer and horsepower than I thought. I have never driven a new John Deere that has more horsepower than our 9510. I don’t recall either of the tractors having much if any slippage. And the ground speed of the tractors was what was on the monitors. I don’t have any access to performance monitors overtime, because that was just a demo of the Fendt. I know the tractors were similar in weight, but I’m not sure what that weight was and the Fendt was brought out and set up by the dealer and they showed me how to run it for about an hour. I only ran the 1167 for about eight hours. I know there was a lot of stuff left out of the video. It’s hard to get every little detail into the videos, but I am going to be doing another comparison video this spring when we start planting between a Fendt a John Deere, and a case, all new tractors.
You can play with the fendt tms settings and get that thing to pull way better. Everyone I know that runs those 1100 fendts to the 9r Deeres say those fendts out pull the Deeres any day of the week even comparing to a 9620r but the fendts have a shit ton of settings you really need to know how to use. Many things that can limit your power output
I just let the dealer set it up because I didn’t know how.
It does not outpull 9620R(X btw). It's simllar at low spead air drill seeding but still its pumping more HP. Moreover Vario is a great transmission, but the power loss is very noticable and you cannot just fix it. It's still the best transmission for grain carting but heavy pulling - there are way better options .
I think the reason it pulled slower with the Fendt on one run was because that was an opening up slightly wider run whereas the next run was in between 2 already worked runs with overlaps in loose ground.
The Lemken does not overlap more than 3 inches on each side.
Great video better comparison would be the 9570rt but you using what you have
Yeah, I’m going to try to get a closer horsepower comparison video done in the spring
Awesome 😎 😊😊😊😊
Thanks glad you liked it
I am stunned at the lack effort required to change chissels on that
Yeah, it’s pretty easy to change them
Very true highly appreciated 🎥✅🎉 type of farmer..
My glad you liked it.
From what ive been around for tillage powershift is where to go but comfort wise ill take a cvt anyday even though you lose more power output which is why i like cvt and ivt for planting and them kinda jobs but powershift shines in tillage
I agree
From what I have heard, the 1167 isn't really 670 HP - it has some HP boost with the hydraulic system that never reaches the tracks. Unless you're running an air drill, it's really just an 1162 with a different badge. Allegedly.
CVTs also have some parasitic loss in the transmission due to how they work. It uses hydraulic pressure to modify the output speed - there are several basically identical videos that AGCO has put on youtube that explain it. When the transmission doesn't need to use hydraulic pressure to adjust speed, it has better power delivery than a powershift, but beyond about 6 MPH a PS will have more efficient power delivery.
I think those 2 factors combined explains why the Deere beat out the 1167 in fuel economy and the seeming lack of power above the Deere despite the HP difference.
That would still make it 110 hp more than the Deere so it should have done quite a bit better but it was barely faster but less efficient. I’m not impressed with the Fendt
@@RockyMountainFarmer I was never trying to defend the Fendt, I was just pointing out why it was so disappointing. I imagine you would be getting a new Deere after that demo and I certainly would myself.
If you go to the NTTL reports, the 9510RT at gear 10 is listed at around 440 drawbar HP while the 1167 is listed at over 500. There was clearly something wrong with that tractor's power delivery.
Yeah I’m not sure if something was wrong or not but it wasn’t very impressive. I’m going to try to get a closer HP comparison in the spring.
Weird because Mike Mitchell says his 1167 out pulled his 620 wheel and rx on his drills.
@@MrTjulius Not really. Pulling an air seeder and pulling a tillage tool are 2 very different beasts. On an air seeder, he can make use of the extra hydraulic power on the tractor, and you move slowly - around 4 MPH - while here the chisel was being pulled at 6-7.5. If you reread my initial comment, 6-7.5 MPH is outside of the max efficiency zone of the CVT, so reduced performance is expected.
Mike also has a larger amount of ballast on his tractor.
nice work
you have my subscribtion
Thanks I’m glad you enjoyed it
Not a fair comparison, you need to compare H.P. To H.P. And the same year on both as the features change from year to year. Enjoy you videos, cheers my friend.
I’d say it’s pretty fair when a 10 year old John Deere with 510 hp goes up against a brand new Fendt with 670 hp and almost keeps up the same. That tells you how good the Fendt is. I think a new John Deere that is close to the horsepower of the fendt would destroy the fendt.
@@RockyMountainFarmer that’s what I was thinking
How can you compare it? In the video you can see that your 2. try with the Deere was on a freshly grubbed (i don´t know if this is the right word. English isn´t my first language) field. The friction on it is much more less than on a ungrupped field.
Gallons per acre is what we need to know.
if u want the fendt to go quicker you must put the cruise control higher, if i want to go 13km/h i put on almost 17km/h the reach that. hope u try this in oncomming spring greetings from the netherlands✌
Thanks for the tip
Do the math , 510HP = 4.9 670 HP = 6.2/6.3 , there is not really a surprise , the Fendt could be a bit faster = 0,1 /0,2 but it has a bigger = heavier motor , more hyraulic access points and a slightly sturdier Frame due to the 160 HP more ( i guess ) = more weight = 10-15 HP could be attributed to that . For your 8 mph dream you need at least 200 - 220 HP more than the Fendt has ( if its linear , but your Test shows that 160 HP more = 1,2 / 1.3 mph more . It scales not perfect because more HP = sturdier heavier Frame , bigger Tracks , but in general it fits
Yeah, that makes sense
I would like to argue that a smaller cab does have some advantages, as you said you are quite tall 6'6 I believe you said. Whereas perhaps a 6'2 would prefer the smaller cab because everything is better in reach, and the stretching out is a smaller issue because even you could stretch out in the Fendt.
Yeah, it’s gonna be different for everybody. Personally, I prefer the bigger cab.
20% faster but only ~ 8% more fuel... Sounds to me like a point for the Fendt.
Except it’s way more expensive
What would be the price of a john Deer vs fendt?of same year and horse power ? That will be a little more deciding factor as well ?
I’m not sure on that one. I know the Fendt is around 700,000.
Just to clarify that john deere u can run the gps off the arm rest display but needs to be programmed to do that but other then that great video
When we bought it, they told us we were not able to do that
That’s weird i do it on both my tractors that have the gen3 arm rest display if u go into the menu on that arm rest screen does it have the gs3 app and a star fire app when the other display is unplugged ? If so all it needs is an auto trac subscription moved from the big display to the small screen by the dealer and u can run it without the big screen
I will definitely look into that
Amazing how much power is needed for tillage
Yeah to work deep it takes alot.
When it comes to modern tractors it seems over engineering is never an issue. If I was paying half a million for a mobile office I’d want all the bells and whistles they could cram in there.
True
Please, let us know what engine is in the specific tractor, also how many hrs on your older tractor, otherwise you do a great video.
The John Deere has 510 hp and 5400 hours and the Fendt has 670 hp and 1300 hours
Fendt 1167 has a MAN motor. Fend doesnt have own motor
Those springs lifting up are the reason I don’t run a karat anymore Depth was to inconsistent. 875 needs a boulder before it trips.
Interesting our depth has always been fine
You can go in to tms settings and get more speed out of it by reving it higher
You get like 1 mph out of it
I tried that when the dealer was out setting it up
Maybe you need to try the Claas Xerion 12.650 in its tracked variant.
There isn’t really a dealer around me
On the first part of the video the John Deere was a 2018, at the end it turned into a 10 year old machine, pretty amazing!!! At the end of the video the Fendt did 6.5-7 mph, was that at 14 inches on a previously untilled field using 29 gph, or 12 inches in a tilled field? I suspect it was 14 inches in an untilled field. So the John Deere comes into the tilled up field the next day and does the same speed at 25.8 gph at 12 inches in a tilled up field. Bogus comparison!!!!! And the difference between 25.8 and 29 is 3.2 not 4. So in reality the Fendt did better and that's with a new engine. An engine that's fully broke in would do better on power and gph.
So I miss spoke in the first part about the year and corrected myself later in the video. And in the second field, I upped the depth on the fendt to 12 inches so they were both going in the same field at 12 inches. The Fendt was going 6 1/2 to 7. The Deere was going 6 to 6 1/2 same depth, same field. The fendt was also broken in with 1500 hours so the Deere did a little slower but more efficient.
Were they both working untilled ground? I will admit a cvt is not as good at getting the power to the ground as a mechanical tranny. They are handy on a loader tractor. But even then their kinda spongy, I still like the more positive control of a clutch and manual. But going down the road at 31 mph at reduced rpm with a cvt Fendt is better.@@RockyMountainFarmer
We had them both in untilled ground and a field that was lightly disked.
I'd try GVWR match with plates between the two by moving the plates on the tracks to the front to distribute the load to match might save a couple gallons by load biasing , same goes on aircraft for weight and balance it changes the performance or economy of the aircraft. The minor fixes in the cab and rail could be all done in a day.
Yeah, I think it would’ve been a little better had it had the front weights on but this was a demo so I could not change anything
need to compare with a new Deere.
I’m going to try in the spring
Mike in canada had 1157 pulled 85ft borough seeder witg 1000 plus tender for seed abd fertilizer running side by side with JD quadtrack pulling same seeder it was a close draw
He also has the JD 2 tract which did cone close in comparison on protill drawing.
There’s a big difference between pulling a drill and chisel plow. This chisel plow pulls harder than any drill.
Comparing an InCommand 1200 to a GS2 2600 is like comparing an iPhone15 to a flip phone. If you put a 4640 in the 9R it would have similar screen resolution and your old 9R would then have hands free turns (including hydraulics) that you still can't get from Fendt or AgLeader's TurnPath.
Also the 2” in depth can make a difference you should get a new 9r the newer tractors don’t get pull like the pre emission motors and do burn more fuel on the tire machines
I am going to get some new tractors for a demo in the spring.
Itec does not require a activation. Itec pro which automatically turns the tractor and performs all the standard Itec functions does.
I will have to look into that
The faster you the more power it takes. Fuel use needs to be figured on a per acre not per hour. You ate working more acres per hour with the Fendt. Just being picky.
The John Deere still used roughly .2 gallons less per acre
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How would you hit headlines that aren't straight lines then? If you're not able to turn with the equipment in the ground. Are you just not able to use that type of equipment on fields that don't have straight lines on the edges?
You can make slight turns just not sharp turns.
@RockyMountainFarmer copy that. Just something ive never thought of. Lol great videos. What part of idaho is your farm? I drive all over up there. Im from just south of Hill Airforce Base. And i drive truck up into idaho all the time. Mostly food grade tanker and belt trailer. And i do some reefer haulin spuds to where ever.
I am in Shelley
Oh right on!
Run into the loving arms of Big Bud
I heard they were going to start making them again.
Not much to be proud of in Germany these days but our Agricultural machines and implements are world class.
That’s interesting. Fendt is owned by the US company agco and are built in America
@@RockyMountainFarmer All Fendt machines are designed in Marktoberdorf Gemany and most of them are produced there too. Guess not the ones for the American maket it would seem. And Agco has absolutely nothing to do with design and production they are just brand holding thats all.
@@RockyMountainFarmer Lemken is a german brand too btw. Still family owned and they are world leader in ground preparation machines. I mean if you dont see what i mean yet you are blind im sorry to say.
I know lemken is German and they are great.
I am curious, did you let all the ponies out? The gauge on the Fendt only showed 1650 rpm going 6mph. Wide open that engine should run out at 2300rpm
The engine in the fendt will not rev up that high. It has a limiter at 1750 RPM.
The Jon Deere didn’t use as much fuel, and you didn’t have to use anyDEF. Much cheaper per hour to run the Deere.
My thoughts exactly
Cheaper per hour, sure. But the Deere has to run more hours to do the same acres because it is moving slower.
160hp to gain 1mph.....those Vario transmissions really do suck power compared to a power shift.....have the 9510RT's ECM flashed and then try it again.
Yeah kinda crazy
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It's not actually 160hp larger than the deere. The transmission doesn't allow the full 670 through. The extra horsepower is all for hydraulics and PTO. Really no reason buy an 1167 over a 1162 as you're not getting anything for draft work.
That’s what I have heard
To bad you didn’t have same hp deere to compare.with all new tech.thanks😊
Next time
Hi your plough was invented In Australia and of course you can buy it world wide. It was called the stump jump plough. It was I vented to plough a region called led the Mallee it was used to move small tree roots out of soft soil lime a sandy base soil in a region called the Mallee in north Western Victoria Australia 🇦🇺. Back in the 1920s.
Very interesting
Takes a lot of horses to pull so many shanks.
Yes it does
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the more environment friendly the more consumption- filters cost diesel.
True
Price ?
I know the Fendt new is around $700000. I’m not sure on the Deere
C&D!? You just outside of Newdale hoss??
We are in Shelley
Our seats on the deere is 20° degrees to the right and 16° degrees to the left
I know the new ones go even further
I used to find going faster would not get the same depth. The implement would tend to ride up as the speed increased.
With the Lemken equipment that is not the case, it will stay in the ground. with our old John Deere stuff that would happen all the time
Everybody should already knew you was going to pick John Deere cuz your bias over any other tractor than John Deere got a buddy it's got a Fendt and a John Deere to track and he pulls a 80 ft drill with the Fendt 1167 in a 60-ft drill with the John Deere in the Fendt out does the John Deere all day long
I was just comparing the tractors if the Fendt really would’ve been a lot better than the Deere I probably would’ve chose the Fendt but seeing how it used more fuel a ton of DEF and only went half a mile an hour faster and also wasn’t as comfortable to drive, yeah I’m gonna choose the Deere
I definitely don’t think that fendts hp is accurate. That definitely doesn’t feel like 670hp and ive heard that from a buddy who owned a 1167
@@northeastnebraskafarming117it has 663 hp
Having ran multiple makes of equipment not just tractors that fends was the most uncomfortable rig I have ever been in. Now some of the features were nice but definitely not worth the extra costs of running and buying it.
@@TrevorTolman it is true that Fendt is significantly more expensive than other brands, but one of the reasons for this is that their tractors have a good resale value. So if you sell it again, you can also get much more for the used tractor.
John deere simply the best nice video
I’m glad you liked it
A i tak na marginesie to dodaj wszystkie obciążniki do Fenda to wtedy mozna zacząć porównywać a nie z 3 tony europejskiej lżejszy febdt od jelenia
It’s not my tractor the dealer brought it to me this way
@@RockyMountainFarmer możliwe tylko do dupy takie porównanie
It does give you an idea of what it will do though
I ve never thought that Fendt does use more fuel, and normally Fendt costs 50% more than anything else, i guess they should change a lot of things, if it cannot compete with a more than 10 year old competition machine...
My thoughts exactly
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Furthermore Aggco already has tracked tractors with their Challanger Brand, i thought Fendt wanted to build their own, to more suite the european market, where such machines often are used also in Construction and Forestry with massive Milling or Mulching machines, that require a lot of PTO Power, but Fuel Consumption is a massive issue, with all that climate taxes on fuel, and more to come in the future.
Yeah, all the taxes are crazy
@@RockyMountainFarmer i understand it that fuel is taxed quite hard in Austria, to prevent people from driving everywhere by car, when there are trains, buses and bikelanes, but i think fuel should be less taxed on machinery and such, where there is just NO alternative at the moment. Our grid is not up to the load it would cause to load batteries of big excavators, Piling rigs and such now.
Yeah that’s crazy
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Does the actual wear part on that lemken point unbolt from the quick attach component or do you have to buy it all as one? Great video, nothing magical about fendt. Theres only so much energy in a gallon of fuel, fendt fanboys dont realize that. Cvt is terrible for max pull work.
Yes you can unbolt and replace all the wear parts on the point and they are really simple to change as well.
Not apples to apples, if deere had 160 more hp, it would run more than 6mph
It’s closer than you might think. The drawbar go is only about 60 apart
You should get a Deere of the same year to compare as well.
I’m going to try to do another comparison with newer tractors, this spring
i have a firend that sells case stuff, he said get a wheeled 620 with the tires aired down, hes convinced it whip that fendt
It might. I’m not that impressed with the Fendt
I wish you would demonstrate the tractors and forget the plough.
How do you test a tractor without hooking it to something?
Fendt comes with a frige if you want it.
Oh just like the new Deere
Rather a fendt, wouldn’t touch a Deere ever. They also have the best lighting of them all
They do have good lights
How many acres per hour?
12 on the Deere and 13 on the Fendt
@@RockyMountainFarmerAnd fuels per hour?
Thanks 👍
What case ih?
We were not able to get the case
@@RockyMountainFarmer I meant what moddel where you supposed to have on demo?
It was the 580 quad track.
Dude how do you like a deere cab on tracks😂😂 its the worst .. to be honest the fuel economy from fendt it was bad i did not expect those numbers , but i also feel like if you had it on TMS mode it would have saved fuel but i dont know about the ground speed......
On a diffrent comparison they were pulling a high speed disc it was fendt 1167, John deere 9560rt and john deere 9620 rt ,... the fendt pulled 1 min fast then the 2 track deere but the 4 track deere was the slowest ....
I think its not easy to compare this machine .. .. but lets be honest fendt rides way better than deere whether its tracks or wheels they is a big difference in ride quality the cvt is more smoother and easy to operate .....
I did have the TMS on and they both road equally terrible track machines just do not ride very well especially over bumps. I like the John Deere cab because it’s more comfortable. It’s bigger. The field of you is better. The seat is better. The cab is just better.
@@RockyMountainFarmer man i use to think the 1167 was light on fuel, those numbers are not on the good sign ...
I have to say The lemken is doing a good job... now my question to you with your experience using the lemken, can one use this implement for replacing deep ripping or as an primary tilage implement or should have a ripper once in a while...
Yhe tracks are very hard
Yeah we actually sold our ripper after not using it for 3 years
@@okongqoshana7955 the lemken will go 12 to 14 inches deep
itec dos not need actavation i got the same tractor 9560 rt and i can set it up
I’ll have to look into that
Just fyi what's holding you back is the chisel plow, which is blue! So just get a New Holland and roll with it already
I didn’t even know new holland made a chisel plow I have never seen one running because nobody has one there are lots of Lemken around
😮Fendt everytime,the motor alone would outlast the deer john bigtime.i know as work on both these brands everyday,i can tell you which model cost more to run and maintain.
Interesting
The case would speed it up
@28 minutes, where in the he** did all those damn seagulls come from?
Right I have no idea they just show up randomly They almost took out my drone
The john Deere deck plate looks wider and looks like pierced Steel planking. Meaning it's probably safer to walk on ? I would imagine that a skilled mechanic could convert the steps on the Deere to raise and lower easily enough,even if only manually?
Your probably right.
That plow I see has a very weak hitch pulling frame for sure compared to the rest of the robust plow
Yeah, it doesn’t have the strongest hitch. We have bent it from turning on accident when it was in the ground, the newer ones do have stronger hitches.
See if you can test a newer model of the Deere ,surely they ll bring one out for you to compare the same year models,perhaps free only fuel cost to you
I was planning on doing another comparison video this spring with a Fendt John Deere and case, but the Fendt sold, and so did the case so I don’t have access to one. I will try again this fall.
The part where you compared both machines running at different depths was unfair. The Fendt was running at 17% more depth. Obviously it will use more fuel and go slower comparatively in that case...
I compared them both at both depths
I'd buy the one who I could get the best deal off... ;)
True
Vario losses a lot of HP that's common. Suprising that it was only 1mph faster compared to that JD. Nontheless Case are known for best pulling (but who knows now when case 715 and jd 830 are realsed).
It would be awesome to see the new case and John Deere in action.
The baskets don't control the depth, period.
Yes, they absolutely do. I’ve been running this machine for five years. That’s exactly how it works.
Fendt challenger wins every time. Cheaper, pulls more, can turn with implement in the ground better thanks to a hyd sliding hitch, O slip, smoother ride, beefier camso tracks...even good on fuel .
Well let's do some quick math then, so the 1167 does pull 1mph in average at the same conditions faster than the John Deere, so based of the John Deer's speed of 5mph and the Fendt going 1mph faster (6mph) this would be 1/5 faster aka 20%... hmm what would a power increase of 20% look like if u just simply multiply 446hp (from the Nebraska test) by 1.2, exactly 535hp. The Fendt engine is "rated" at 618/(673hp with the boost) by factory BUT if u take the Nebraska test numbers from its drawbar power it is rated at 508hp (max 519hp darwbar power) at 6.2mph and 1730rpm at the crank, so it still does pull better than the John Deer even tho it required "less power than my simple math would suggest". I like all tractors even tho I doubt the "hate" against the CVT is justified, since it did really good. Mike Mitchell also did really good videos where he compared a John Deere 9560RT, a John Deere 9620RX and a Fendt 1167MT in a such called "protilldragrace" where it showed all 3 of the tractors were really close (I don't know if they took fuel consumption and so on into account). In normal working conditions tests showed that the Fendt uses slightly less fuel (about 4%) than other models in the power range, not taking DEF consumption in consideration if I'm not mistaken,... but who works in NORMAL working conditions so I get the point there... At the end I just wanted to say, what doesn't make any sens to me is comparing speeds at different depths, I would have loved to see the 1167 at 12inch deep aswell but yeah not do-able I get it. Great video tho, would love to see you get to drive a Claas Xerion 12.650 (also a CVT) with tracks or on wheels, it has the biggest cabin on the market currently!
I did test the Fendt at 12 inches and it went between 6.5 and 7. And the Deere went 6 to 6.5 so only a half a mile an hour more than the Deere. That’s crazy that they market it as 670 hp if it really only has closer to 500. I just really wasn’t impressed with a $700000 machine
@@RockyMountainFarmer Yeah understandable. I just worte an answer for 15min comparing numbers and summing up the whole differences etc. only had the comment section open on the bell icon on UA-cam and deleted the whole text by accident hahah dang it... but to sum it up Power Shifts will always be better when it comes to the "direct power output from crankshaft to wheel" but Claas new Xerion 12.650 will come with a CVT from ZF and ZF is a really really good gearbox manufacturer, probably one of the best if not the best in the world and I've seen power figures of it already and it seems really good. I only get to know more about asap it gets tested.
@@RockyMountainFarmer In the comment which I deleted by accident I compared the 1167 with the 9620RX, they are pretty close at some point when it comes to torque numbers, but HP wise the 9RX is proably always ahead and it's always got at least 2k lbs of torque more at the same speed compared to the Fendt (just take a look at the Nebraska test web page and you'll see) I also said I'm not surprised your 9510RT did so well against the 1167 since the 9620RX is not a lot more powerful than the 1167 (yes the 1167) or maybe even just as powerful as it, if u take a look at the test from Mike Mitchell, they were pulling the same air drill at the same speed up a hill, on the pro till the Fendt was maybe even a bit better. At the end the numbers your 9510RT with 446hp and the Fendt's 512hp are not that far apart, now take in consideration that the 9620RX only got 550hp aswell even though it is rated at 670hp with boost...at the end it's all about torque, the right gearbox/gear and also weight.
I have never seen a claas tractor around here but have seen some combines. I'm not sure where the dealer is.
Its definitely about the torque. I didn't realize that the 2 tractors were that close in HP from what the dealer told me thanks for sharing.
Soon 2024 9rx830 .
Yeah, I’m gonna see if I can get a new John Deere from the dealer next year to test
Put the weight on the Fent
It’s not my tractor so I don’t have access to that.
620 case is your only choice
That doesn't even make sense. First you are going 14" deep with both tractors and the Fendt wins in production but then later you raise is to 12" and then the John Deere wins, without trying out the Fendt at 12"
I did try the Fendt at 12 it went a half a mile an hour faster than the Deere at that depth.
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Only Case Quadtrac can give you want you want. Test it and you will see I am right)
We hope to test one in the spring
@RockyMountainFarmer Also fuel consumption of Fendt is to high for such kind of work, even with bigger engine volume. I made demo last year of Case Quadtrac 600 with Horsh Tiger 6m on hills and fuel consumption was nearly 6,7 gallons per hectar. If you want I can sent you video)
@@denyskuzmych37Video on UA-cam is available?
One big thing that was over looked in comparison was under carriage ride. The deere will bust weight brackets and knock teeth out if your in any hills with wash outs. The fendt rides much nicer, hell even a 2006 865b rides nicer than the deere. The power issue is difference between cvt and powershift. Powershit is not comparable because they do not do the same things. The cvt way more control but powershift is definately a tillage preferred transmission.
Also, fuel comparison is not close due to not comparing apples to apples. The newer deeres burn a lot of DEF in hills but may be less in the even terrain
As far as my test, they both rode about the same, track machines are just rough if you have to go over bumps
i'ts much easier to turn already turned ground and 2" at that depth makes a huge difference. Of course the Fendt is going to use more fuel when it's unturned ground and deeper. I'd take a Steiger any day. Nothing runs like a Deere and it's a darn good thing they don't
Well thanks for watching.