The adventure only makes sense if you are travelling to Alaska, or transversing central asia, and this just for fuel range. But, you can always carry extra jerry cans, using a simpler, lighter bike, which is always preferable.
It’s a good video! It’s nice to see the the financial implications of swapping from the GS 1300 to the GSA version. Thanks a lot and enjoy that super machine. 👍
TSB - yes that is it, I hopped on the 25 GSA at the dealer yesterday and it felt a bit wider at the tank and seat, I did make a tentative deal on a 24 GSA
I’ve order one with ASA and traded my 1250 GSA. I ride two up a lot and have toured Europe last three summers. Next summer we’re going to Romania and this is the ideal bike. There’s more room on it for two people and the seat is more comfortable than the 1300 GS. I sold another bike as well to help with the cost of the change. I didn’t feel much difference on it compared to my old GSA but it’s definitely wider than the 1300 GS which is to be expected surely ? Fugly or not this bike will be a top seller as the old version starts to look dated.
I do a lot of 2 up touring and if I was buying again I’d probably get the GSA over the standard but right now I can’t justify swapping both financially and also it’s not enough of a difference. I definitely think that seats will be better long distance but for now my backside will have to deal with it 🤣
And yeah I expected that GSA to be wider I think what I meant was I didn’t expect it to “feel” so wide on my knees compared to the 1250GSA. I sat on one in the showroom and it didn’t feel like it angled out quite as aggressively
99% of riders buy new GSA because they want one, not because they need it. How many will actually take it off tarmac? Not many. Only a rich nutter would do any serious off road work on such a big heavy bike. For easy off road stuff the GS with hybrid tyres is fine. I love my 1300gs, no interest in changing. Bigger fuel tank? I loved the distance you could do in 1250 gsa, but given you’re supposed to rest every 2 hours and that there’s fuel stations everywhere , only a luxury. And with a full tank the 1250 gsa was top heavy and not a dainty thing, the 1300 gsa I’m sure is the same filled up.i guess if you’re crossing the Mongolian steppes or some other remote place the extra fuel capacity might be very useful. Otherwise you got your 1300 (or 1250 ) because you liked it, which is a perfectly good reason. NB I think the 1250 gsa looked like a tank; the 1300 gsa looks like a German tank. Both monsters. The 1300 GS is a better looking bike, but so are loads of other.
Went from RT to GS ( had 4)to RS. Seen the new GSA yesterday. It is wider than the RT and slightly heavier. All the weight high up, the new panniers are enormous. Tried the new 1300GS with ASA and is a game changer. Will be waiting for the new RS. For anyone just touring the GSA doesn’t make sense….unless you are 6’4.
I’m so glad I think it’s horrendous, I’ve seen it in the flesh, I’ve sat on it, I’ve ridden it, I still think it’s horrendous. It’s only my thoughts & opinion. We are all different. I’m keeping my gorgeous R1250GS Rallye Adventure.
Yesterday I had the chance to look at the GSA 1300 and compared it to the R1250GSA, with all of the bonuses and discounts that BMW is giving on the 2024 and the price increase that is on the 2025 GSA the R1250GSA is a great value purchase.
I have a 2023 1250 GSA and actually really like the new 1300 GSA ASA version however the 10k cost to change takes a bit of digesting! I also done an insurance quote and it £1250 for the year with tracker & thatcham alarm so based on that i will be keeping my 1250 for the time being. Did you find your 1300 GS was more to insure?
Yeah it was significantly more and they couldn’t answer why, they also stipulated a tracker which was never needed on my previous 1250GSA. BMW Motorrad insurance wouldn’t even quote me 😳
I don't understand the changing bikes every year or two. Then I've had a a 1988 HD Lowrider since 1989 (with a sidecar most of the time) and recently brought a 2022 HD Pan Am Special (Army green version) in 2023, which I plan to keep for a long time. There are other bikes I would like to have, but not at the loss of my current bikes. GSA and the GS, they seem to have too much tech for me. I don't see the point of the 30lt tank in the GSA, unless you live somewhere with massive distances, like where I am in Australia. I expect fuel stations would be pretty close together in England and Europe, given how densely populated they are. I do like the look of the new 1300's, the past GS's were ugly in my view.
Nice video, especially the audio. For the moment I think I will keep my 1250GS, just came back from a mini tour of France, St.Nazaire, La Rochelle, Oradour-sur-Glane, Loire Valley and the 1250 still does things very well. I'll try the 1300 GSA next week though. Ride safe.👍
@@TheStammeringBiker Sadly, whilst I was away ,my wife had to put our 8 year old German Shepherd to sleep, due to heart failure, totally unexpected and I am gutted, just got home tonight. GSD321 is now down to 1 GSD. Boo hoo. Didn't get to say goodbye to her. Man enough to say when I got off the bike having ridden home from the ferry , just broke down and sobbed my heart out😢 Anyway I'll try and do a half decent video of the trip.
PCP has killed the bike industry because it gave manufacturers and dealers the opportunity to artificially inflate bike prices - Massively! People now think of a bike as a monthly figure rather than the total cost of a bike. In other words x thousands is a gulp of breath, but a few hundred quid is just an annoyance. I didn’t realise people were so stupid.
Hardy the fault of the finance type. Bike prices have gone up as parts prices have and technology has increased. Dealers don’t influence the prices upwards they actually would rather the prices were lower but it’s not like they can do much to affect that…
pcp has allowed young people to buy a nice 118i or Golf , they can get into a brand/ image car for a cheap monthly payment, and would rather do that than buy a motorbike. Therefore you have a shrinking pool of customers.
Not cheap though is it as the monthly cost is merely keeping you on a dog lead. When it gets to the end of contract period the amount to purchase outright is astronomical and deliberate. Of course that’s why buyers choose to go down the deposit route again and the cycle goes on. Vanity keeps people poor and brands keep people locked in.
Great video, exactly the question I’ve been asking myself. I’m very happy with my R1300GS the engine is great and I’ve grown to love the look. Like you the only real issue I’ve had has been the seat. I’ve bought the Wunderlich seat to try to solve the problem and found it as firm as the original but the shape was wider and helped a little. The best result I’ve found so far is setting the suspension to -2 and using Cool covers from Nippy Normans which just took the edge off. Thanks for your opinion
After a disappointment with wunderlich seat on my 750gs (surprisingly, after initial positive impression it turned out to be very uncomfortable on long stretches), I decided not to change the OEM BMW seat on my 1300 gs. Instead, I bought the bike with enduro package which includes bar risers and adjustable foot pegs. these are the game changers. I lowered the foot pegs, switched the little lever under the rider's seat. Together with the bar risers it gave an extremely comfortable position and the OEM seat is the best I've ever had on a bike. Some people say you need to give the seat time to break in. Don't know if the seat broke in or my butt got used to it or both, but I'm now very happy with the bike and comfort it offers.
30 litre tank only makes sense if you use the bike for what its really designed for and go out in the middle of nowhere otherwise theres a petrol station every few miles
Good video. I admire your loyalty to BMW. I couldn’t take your approach to them. It’s all a kings clothes job as far as I can see. My Honda has been fantastic and never had a thing go wrong on it. My local BMW motorad dealer in Maidenhead just closed down. For some perspective I bought a new 330D in 2009, it was a fantastic car, the new 530D I bought in 2018 was a load of junk. They had their chance. Now everything I own is Japanese.
Some of that financial loss includes the VAT of course, which is always an instant loss, but there's still a lot of depreciation there. Hardly a surprise that people are looking closely at the recent surge of chinese bikes. They'll also suffer depreciation, but are much cheaper in the first place.
Thanks for your perspective, it helps me shape my opinion before buying. I'm not six feet tall, commute in a lot of stop and go highway traffic, so I should stick to the GS over the GSA?
Unless you need a bigger frontal area and a larger fuel tank I personally don’t see a huge amount of benefit getting the GSA, not that it wouldn’t do the job just fine but I think it’s perhaps a bit overkill perhaps
I have the regular GS. Vasty prefer it to the Adv. model. I have a 2 gallon fuel bladder that I carry and can use for rare instance when I may need more fuel capacity, which is rare.
Very informative video. Although the GSA is clearly a great bike, it is seriously over-priced. The extortionate additional cost (£4k cash + 50% increase in monthly payment😮) over and above your relatively new GS, is just not warranted in my opinion. If I were you, I'd continue to love the GS for what it is.....a very competent, high quality, premium motorcycle and leave the GSA to the posers, rich boys and Charlie Boorman wannabies. Take care.
@ After owning BMW1250 GSA also a Ducati Multistrada V4S the Multi has back lit switch gear which just looks nicer. Wouldn’t have cost much to upgrade to back lit switches on the 1300 On my BMW1250 GSA I have bought the Chigge Ao lite system and its a game changer no more faffery. Apple play just works. When will motorcycle manufacturers listen to what we want? For instance why no wireless charging in the phone holder ?
As a 2024 Triumph 1200 GT Explorer owner, I would love to hear your thoughts on it and a comparison to the BMW, especially the comfort level, engine and suspension, make sure you test ride the 2024 MY though , as the engine modifications they did for 24 really do make a huge difference from the 22 MY.
i got the 1300GS ..do i regret buying it ..yeah sort of , because i took out an ASA model and absolutely loved it . but like you when the numbers came back i decided to stick . the seat is def better on the GSA ..i really didn’t like the 1250GSA, but i really do like the 1300GSA . but i think the 1300GS suits me better .
25k for a bike, BMW is trying to make on bikes what they are losing on cars for the Chinese. Yeah, Chinese bikes motorcycles will be taken the market, is only a matter of time.
The adventure only makes sense if you are travelling to Alaska, or transversing central asia, and this just for fuel range. But, you can always carry extra jerry cans, using a simpler, lighter bike, which is always preferable.
Didn’t see your chigee on your way home, hope it’s not still on the test bike, good vid.
It’s a good video! It’s nice to see the the financial implications of swapping from the GS 1300 to the GSA version.
Thanks a lot and enjoy that super machine. 👍
Having ridden both I was surprised to say I prefer the ADV
TSB - yes that is it, I hopped on the 25 GSA at the dealer yesterday and it felt a bit wider at the tank and seat, I did make a tentative deal on a 24 GSA
Call me weird, to start with I wasn’t keen , but now I love the look of it!
Not long got my R1300GS...all the bike I'll need...GSA offends me less than it did at launch...but I dont need the additional bulk.
I’ve order one with ASA and traded my 1250 GSA. I ride two up a lot and have toured Europe last three summers. Next summer we’re going to Romania and this is the ideal bike. There’s more room on it for two people and the seat is more comfortable than the 1300 GS. I sold another bike as well to help with the cost of the change. I didn’t feel much difference on it compared to my old GSA but it’s definitely wider than the 1300 GS which is to be expected surely ? Fugly or not this bike will be a top seller as the old version starts to look dated.
I do a lot of 2 up touring and if I was buying again I’d probably get the GSA over the standard but right now I can’t justify swapping both financially and also it’s not enough of a difference. I definitely think that seats will be better long distance but for now my backside will have to deal with it 🤣
And yeah I expected that GSA to be wider I think what I meant was I didn’t expect it to “feel” so wide on my knees compared to the 1250GSA. I sat on one in the showroom and it didn’t feel like it angled out quite as aggressively
99% of riders buy new GSA because they want one, not because they need it. How many will actually take it off tarmac? Not many. Only a rich nutter would do any serious off road work on such a big heavy bike. For easy off road stuff the GS with hybrid tyres is fine. I love my 1300gs, no interest in changing. Bigger fuel tank? I loved the distance you could do in 1250 gsa, but given you’re supposed to rest every 2 hours and that there’s fuel stations everywhere , only a luxury. And with a full tank the 1250 gsa was top heavy and not a dainty thing, the 1300 gsa I’m sure is the same filled up.i guess if you’re crossing the Mongolian steppes or some other remote place the extra fuel capacity might be very useful. Otherwise you got your 1300 (or 1250 ) because you liked it, which is a perfectly good reason. NB I think the 1250 gsa looked like a tank; the 1300 gsa looks like a German tank. Both monsters. The 1300 GS is a better looking bike, but so are loads of other.
Went from RT to GS ( had 4)to RS. Seen the new GSA yesterday. It is wider than the RT and slightly heavier. All the weight high up, the new panniers are enormous. Tried the new 1300GS with ASA and is a game changer. Will be waiting for the new RS. For anyone just touring the GSA doesn’t make sense….unless you are 6’4.
I’m so glad I think it’s horrendous, I’ve seen it in the flesh, I’ve sat on it, I’ve ridden it, I still think it’s horrendous. It’s only my thoughts & opinion. We are all different. I’m keeping my gorgeous R1250GS Rallye Adventure.
Yesterday I had the chance to look at the GSA 1300 and compared it to the R1250GSA, with all of the bonuses and discounts that BMW is giving on the 2024 and the price increase that is on the 2025 GSA the R1250GSA is a great value purchase.
Nice video , i like BMs , but just like Triumph silly prices, 🏴
I have a 2023 1250 GSA and actually really like the new 1300 GSA ASA version however the 10k cost to change takes a bit of digesting! I also done an insurance quote and it £1250 for the year with tracker & thatcham alarm so based on that i will be keeping my 1250 for the time being.
Did you find your 1300 GS was more to insure?
Yeah it was significantly more and they couldn’t answer why, they also stipulated a tracker which was never needed on my previous 1250GSA. BMW Motorrad insurance wouldn’t even quote me 😳
I don't understand the changing bikes every year or two. Then I've had a a 1988 HD Lowrider since 1989 (with a sidecar most of the time) and recently brought a 2022 HD Pan Am Special (Army green version) in 2023, which I plan to keep for a long time. There are other bikes I would like to have, but not at the loss of my current bikes.
GSA and the GS, they seem to have too much tech for me. I don't see the point of the 30lt tank in the GSA, unless you live somewhere with massive distances, like where I am in Australia. I expect fuel stations would be pretty close together in England and Europe, given how densely populated they are. I do like the look of the new 1300's, the past GS's were ugly in my view.
Nice video, especially the audio. For the moment I think I will keep my 1250GS, just came back from a mini tour of France, St.Nazaire, La Rochelle, Oradour-sur-Glane, Loire Valley and the 1250 still does things very well. I'll try the 1300 GSA next week though. Ride safe.👍
Thanks mate! Love La Rochelle! Look forward to your video!
@@TheStammeringBiker Sadly, whilst I was away ,my wife had to put our 8 year old German Shepherd to sleep, due to heart failure, totally unexpected and I am gutted, just got home tonight. GSD321 is now down to 1 GSD. Boo hoo. Didn't get to say goodbye to her. Man enough to say when I got off the bike having ridden home from the ferry , just broke down and sobbed my heart out😢 Anyway I'll try and do a half decent video of the trip.
@@gsd32iI feel your pain I follow your channel, we lost one of our dogs unexpectedly in April I am still broken. 🌈😔🐶
@@Drewstheboy Thanks, just been to see here and she looked at peace, so glad I got to say goodbye and give her a kiss and cuddle.
PCP has killed the bike industry because it gave manufacturers and dealers the opportunity to artificially inflate bike prices - Massively!
People now think of a bike as a monthly figure rather than the total cost of a bike. In other words x thousands is a gulp of breath, but a few hundred quid is just an annoyance. I didn’t realise people were so stupid.
Hardy the fault of the finance type. Bike prices have gone up as parts prices have and technology has increased. Dealers don’t influence the prices upwards they actually would rather the prices were lower but it’s not like they can do much to affect that…
pcp has allowed young people to buy a nice 118i or Golf , they can get into a brand/ image car for a cheap monthly payment, and would rather do that than buy a motorbike. Therefore you have a shrinking pool of customers.
Not cheap though is it as the monthly cost is merely keeping you on a dog lead. When it gets to the end of contract period the amount to purchase outright is astronomical and deliberate. Of course that’s why buyers choose to go down the deposit route again and the cycle goes on. Vanity keeps people poor and brands keep people locked in.
Great video, exactly the question I’ve been asking myself. I’m very happy with my R1300GS the engine is great and I’ve grown to love the look.
Like you the only real issue I’ve had has been the seat. I’ve bought the Wunderlich seat to try to solve the problem and found it as firm as the original but the shape was wider and helped a little. The best result I’ve found so far is setting the suspension to -2 and using Cool covers from Nippy Normans which just took the edge off. Thanks for your opinion
After a disappointment with wunderlich seat on my 750gs (surprisingly, after initial positive impression it turned out to be very uncomfortable on long stretches), I decided not to change the OEM BMW seat on my 1300 gs. Instead, I bought the bike with enduro package which includes bar risers and adjustable foot pegs. these are the game changers. I lowered the foot pegs, switched the little lever under the rider's seat. Together with the bar risers it gave an extremely comfortable position and the OEM seat is the best I've ever had on a bike. Some people say you need to give the seat time to break in. Don't know if the seat broke in or my butt got used to it or both, but I'm now very happy with the bike and comfort it offers.
Good video. Thanks, the money kills it!!
30 litre tank only makes sense if you use the bike for what its really designed for and go out in the middle of nowhere otherwise theres a petrol station every few miles
Good video. I admire your loyalty to BMW. I couldn’t take your approach to them. It’s all a kings clothes job as far as I can see. My Honda has been fantastic and never had a thing go wrong on it. My local BMW motorad dealer in Maidenhead just closed down. For some perspective I bought a new 330D in 2009, it was a fantastic car, the new 530D I bought in 2018 was a load of junk. They had their chance. Now everything I own is Japanese.
Yawn
I have an R1300GS just got in from a 400 mile ride to Yorkshire and back
I wouldn't swap mine
But may have a GSA when the time to change comes
Some of that financial loss includes the VAT of course, which is always an instant loss, but there's still a lot of depreciation there. Hardly a surprise that people are looking closely at the recent surge of chinese bikes. They'll also suffer depreciation, but are much cheaper in the first place.
Thanks for your perspective, it helps me shape my opinion before buying. I'm not six feet tall, commute in a lot of stop and go highway traffic, so I should stick to the GS over the GSA?
Unless you need a bigger frontal area and a larger fuel tank I personally don’t see a huge amount of benefit getting the GSA, not that it wouldn’t do the job just fine but I think it’s perhaps a bit overkill perhaps
@@TheStammeringBiker thank you much
Not a typical BMW driver, he used his indicator 😂
🤣
I think you will find it only relates to BMW car drivers.
I have the regular GS. Vasty prefer it to the Adv. model. I have a 2 gallon fuel bladder that I carry and can use for rare instance when I may need more fuel capacity, which is rare.
Very informative video. Although the GSA is clearly a great bike, it is seriously over-priced. The extortionate additional cost (£4k cash + 50% increase in monthly payment😮) over and above your relatively new GS, is just not warranted in my opinion. If I were you, I'd continue to love the GS for what it is.....a very competent, high quality, premium motorcycle and leave the GSA to the posers, rich boys and Charlie Boorman wannabies. Take care.
I totally agree! I absolutely love my current bike 😎
All that technology yet still no standard car play or back lit handlebar switches.
I hear that a lot but I don’t get it..? I have never needed that. You fingers create muscle memory.
@ After owning BMW1250 GSA also a Ducati Multistrada V4S the Multi has back lit switch gear which just looks nicer. Wouldn’t have cost much to upgrade to back lit switches on the 1300
On my BMW1250 GSA I have bought the Chigge Ao lite system and its a game changer no more faffery.
Apple play just works.
When will motorcycle manufacturers listen to what we want?
For instance why no wireless charging in the phone holder ?
As a 2024 Triumph 1200 GT Explorer owner, I would love to hear your thoughts on it and a comparison to the BMW, especially the comfort level, engine and suspension, make sure you test ride the 2024 MY though , as the engine modifications they did for 24 really do make a huge difference from the 22 MY.
I’ll get in touch with my local dealer and arrange it soon 😎
Great video ;-)
Incredible BMW physiological marketing!
Do you mean psychological?
i got the 1300GS ..do i regret buying it ..yeah sort of , because i took out an ASA model and absolutely loved it . but like you when the numbers came back i decided to stick . the seat is def better on the GSA ..i really didn’t like the 1250GSA, but i really do like the 1300GSA . but i think the 1300GS suits me better .
To change I was given almost the exact same figures as you and mine only has 1100 miles on it.
don't know when this video was made but I think you will find that barnstormer have closed down gone bankrupt
Was made yesterday mate :)
No fugly. Horrible looking thing. Seen it in the flesh and just don’t like it.
The BMW 2025 GSA, is not great but in real it is not as horrible as in pictures, still not handsome… but in 3 or 4 years it will look more normal.
There's always a new bike about to come out...
I plan gsa first Buy the gsa rear cjasis the thin tube is ugly than 1300gs. I prefer gs asa
25k for a bike, BMW is trying to make on bikes what they are losing on cars for the Chinese. Yeah, Chinese bikes motorcycles will be taken the market, is only a matter of time.