Timestamps: 0:00 - No free will 0:28 - We are machines 0:41 - Self-consciousness in human species 1:30 - No purpose 2:10 - What is Thinking? 2:30 - Thoughts only come from outside 2:50 - Human brain is only a reactor 3:25 - No thoughts 4:50 - No Beginning, no End 5:55 - Death does not exist 6:25 - Not logically ascertained 6:50 - Wanting is Thinking 7:35 - Thought is a dead thing 7:55 - Experience is born out of knowledge 9:30 - No separation 11:10 - No such thing as a new experience 11:35 - The World Mind (As UG says) 12:35 - You can’t experience your existence except through the knowledge given to you 13:15 - Futility of questioning reality 13:50 - “How?” 14:55 - “How to live?” Is the main problem 15:45 - Thinking can only create problems 16:15 - Brain is not involved in Thinking 16:30 - Memory 17:18 - All sensations/emotions are a menace for the body 18:23 - Pleasure is Pain 19:20 - Achieving goals/Happiness 19:55 - Thought is Matter 20:23 - Spiritual goals are Materialistic 20:45 - Culture is the tragedy of Man 21:30 - Philosophy is useless 23:15 - I don’t know what happened to me 25:05 - I have no “message” for anyone 25:50 - I’m a machine gun 26:50 - What is Life? 30:40 - Cellular structure analogy 31:20 - Selfishness/Selflessness 32:00 - God/Creator is irrelevant 34:00 - Just be miserable. There’s no way out. 34:45 - Technological progress? No progress 36:10 - Jealousy 36:35 - Nobody could help me 37:23 - Cake analogy 37:48 - No virtue in poverty 38:25 - Selflessness (Part 2) 39:25 - No present moment 39:55 - Body is immortal/Death 42:22 - Death of others can’t be experienced 43:10 - You’re a mechanical machine 43:44 - We’re just robots. Sorry. - Conversation - 49:10 - Putting labels on me 50:15 - Questions and Answers 50:50 - No problems only solutions 52:00 - No Happiness 54:50 - Purpose of life? 56:35 - We love Fear 58:00 - Cobras 58:35 - No isolated events
not knowing what happiness is not knowing what unhappiness is but there are many long moments I suffer a lot by seeing how we all have been caught up in the causalitiy of things and matters not only humans are suffering but anything around us is suffering : ..nature ,plants birds animals repriles,insects amphibians.. is it the mind stuff that makes me suffer...?
Happiness does not exist; only the choice between boredom or suffering. Hence it is easier to love suffering than it is to embrace boredom which is just anger spread thin.
@@sinistergeek my thoughts exactly but he addresses this around 36:00; how dangerous enlightenment is - his variant at least. Basically man is plunged into something hellish even from his standpoint. Frankly I dread his kind of 'enlightenment' - and if he's right, there's no other kind. A bit of a pickle. On the one hand, forget about 'getting to the core of this thing yearning for eternity called life' on the other - something worse than annihilation.
The fact that you are making such a statement means that you are still in the darkness and he never pulled you out to anywhere! I feel so unlucky to have come across your comment.
Nic Patean his hair is badass. 100% gangsta. The other Krishnamurti kept a gravity defying combover that subtly uncovered his massive bald patch to hint at his brain. UG adorns his head with a badass haircut. Its the equivalent of Mr T's gold chains.
Very well put ! ... "no place to go"... U.G. totally reassures me ...✌👍✌❗ And comforts still, as we see the craziness of this World getting but worse !
The true teacher. The true well-wisher. The true sage. What a boss! Love his smile and straightforwardness. Thank you Sir UG for making me realise I'm just like an ANT. It gives me a lot of peace.
By watching this, I just realised I am seeking again. Seeking for something I already have. This is home. It's always been home. The present moment. Now. I'm home
@@sabi423 He/she is talking about the possibility of being relieved of the fear of dying. I'm guessing you're very young or very happy. I'm neither. Perhaps I've totally misunderstood you?
after a listening to a bunch of ug's talks for a while, i got the feeling that they just go in endless circles, going nowhere. but i still love to listen for the transmission of emptiness & freedom!
"There's no need for any communication at all " My Mother is Aboriginal in her 80's and she has Peers who visit, and they sit there for sometimes even 20 mins and not say one word. Now I know why.
Thats next level companionship right there. Most of what passes for conversation is nonsense. You Mum and her buddies have a couple lifetimes of interaction in their silence for every party of people talking over each other seeking to communicate! Please interview her on what is happening if she's open to it and let us know what you learn.
@@Kobe29261 I will ask her, well to be honest im gonna have to say i been talking about you on the internet again and tell her this post to see what response she gives hehe
Crazy how the U.G. persona held so much disdain for J.K. They were facing opposite directions on the same mountaintop. Rather, both realized they never were... J.K. from inquiry into not/self to reveal the absence of a center. UG self-destructed the dream that never started. ✌️❤️🍄
U.G.'s perspective is truly fun. At first, one may reject him because the Truth is too cold to accept. But eventually, one sees this just as the way it really is, not good, not bad.
@cranglepiano Yes, if you want to take it further, we are VERY lucky. I just ate dinner, and I'm drinking a Polish beer, that doesn't sound like much right? Lucky. VERY LUCKY. I ate dinner yes, but that dinner had ingredients from Italy, Scotland, Brazil, India, America, Canada, and more, and the beer came straight from Poland. My point? Tonight I got to eat BETTER than KINGS did 100 years ago. We are very lucky.
So much of what he says makes more and more sense as I go about my life. Most humans live by the stories they create in their minds. Cold hard reality is frightening to us
There's a certain technique that you need to listen to UG. You cannot try to figure out what he means. You just have to let it wash over you like when listening music.
exactly! Don't 'try' and figure it out...if you play a game with your mind and just 'accept' it as truth, it will hit you like a eureka moment from hell and you'll see that everything you think you know, is a complete fabrication
@@buzzkill808raven2 the moment you accept something as truth, it's falsification follows immediately to show you that it's not. There is nothing to say. Words are dead
The "The Original Sin" is the day you began your Spiritual Journey. (Remember the embarrassment you felt the first time you perused the New Age bookstore desparetly looking through the books until you fell for that one certain quote that gave you hope. Then when that quotes spell wore off you were right back at the book store just like an alcoholic heading for the liquor joint.)
May I interject, and throw a bone to all these barking dogs 🐕??? You all are basking in the idea that you know something yet the manifestation of your knowledge has left you unsatisfied enough that you are here still entertaining yourselves... my question is.. are you not entertained???!!!!! Please do take the bone and look for a different show. May I suggest some Allan Watts and some Dick Gregory lol 😂
spiro sadly you still remain under the illusion that you can change your illusions. Just another dog. Here is a bone 🦴... the fact alone that you float around in your epithets, masquerading this and that as subtle acknowledgements of that which you pretend to understand just to engage in self flogging in a jerking circle ⭕️ with your “screen buddies” amuses me more than reading your condemnation of the rational. That which is, remains as such and that which could be is just an anxiety attack to those that wish to understand where is that they are heading. Opaque as it is, I’m just barking as well. How about it, let’s all go at that 🦴!!!
@@rickdeckard1075 he did write a few books but he wasn't marketing anything. He could have easily done the guru thing and made a killing like all the Sahdguru types but he lived off his families fortune and when that ran out some wealthy benefactor bankrolled his life. He told people to steal his books man...
favorite quote " You are the expression of life....Unfortunately we separated our self's and we have given to our self's, the tremendous idea that we are quite different Place our self's on the top of the whole creation, which we are not. We're nothing in the scheme of things! We're are no more important. All of us, all of these human bodies will be used, by nature because it need our energy somewhere else. "- U.G. Krishnamurti.
In the enormity of the creative force or such energy in all its myriad ways,taking into consideration the entire gamut of creative processes we find elsewhere in the inter-galactic space, human beings cannot be considered the crown of creation any more from the stand point of TENNYSON in his LOTUS EATERS.
@spiro IF you cannot fathom it...or try to understand what i am saying...i cannot blame you. why don't you try understanding the vast unfathomable space between galaxies, measured in light years man......think before you ink. no hard feelings man. except your hatred of words.......! ENGLISH language is nobody's personal asset.
@Icy_cool AS a matter of fact, I don't have the slightest clue of what you are sprouting....TIME & SPACE are not just manifestations of mind, but they are physical entities, mental perception of such entities are manifestation of perception. if MIND IS A MYTH as your mentor UGK says & if it is taken seriously the very human existence becomes a figment of pure imagination, without mind, there can be no brain or vice versa, mind is external stimuli, whereas brain is physical manifestation of the mind. if mind is a myth, the physical world we perceive through the agency of mental perception by using our brains would be just empty space.!! because mind being a myth, any external perception would be a myth too. human progress intellectually, & mentally would be unthinkable through a mythical mind. human race & its evolution through the ages has been possible only through the human brain & its concomitant the mind, human race would have remained in a vegetative state had not brain & mind played their mutual role of cognitive perception....if you cannot digest my use of big words, it is your inadequacy of mind, rather to put it more meaningfully, your mental myth. nobodyn
@Sam UG: nothing to understand!!! This guy: you can grasp it if you dont cling onto ideas. Grasp what? No mind? How can you grasp no mind? There is no mind to grasp, let alone some kind of no mind.
@@preupped6201 that's like when you tell a Christian that there are no absolutes and they reply "isn't that an absolute?" These are the limits of the various sounding grunts we call language.
Still we can only comment because of the use of knowledge. We want to comment. Thinking and wanting the same thing. As UG said: it's all like the barking of the dog. Wroof! Whether you use spiritual jargon or knowledge it is the same jargon. We put ourself in a superimposed position as if our comment is of something special instead of all others comments. It is all bullshit. Even my comment is of utter uselessness as is yours. The moment we think we can make a point we have already falsified ourselves. And we are all repeating the one bs after the other. Yes I am trying to make a point. It is useless. It was better to shut up and move on. But still I am a slave of thinking and wanting. There is no way out. We are all trapped.
My takes on applying the wisdom of UG. I believe our self identity is created in the mind by our society, we don’t even have a choice, we are all given an identity in childhood, and this in itself is an illusion. Now that you are operating solely on thoughts and your self image, which is all a mental concept, You will need your mind to free yourself from the illusion you were born into. Once your mind is free of illusions, stop asking, and start living spontaneously in the now.
Most of his statements are very much aligned with vedantic and Buddhist wisdom... Although he criticise but he is saying similar things with different prisms.. essence is same
@Greedy Bastard I would say ..pay more attention to what is he really saying... When he discribe things... What ever he says is pure wisdom... But due to our idiotic ideas and beliefs regarding religion and wisdom.. he just rejects and decline everything...
I thought that was profound too - one of the first notes I took on the video. That we can cut off desire by the cessation of thought. The challenge I have with UG is his ability to use thought to function and avoid all of its contamination besides; for a mortal like me thought is useful and over-useful; heals and poisons
Yo I want to say........I got into UG very recently. There was times where i felt averse towards him based on some of the things he was saying but I did like some of it so I got his book mind is a myth. It honestly felt like death to read at first kind of lol. But it really ended up freeing me and I am very grateful. Been on the spiritual search long time. Although he seems to come off rough around the edges I think he might actually be a very compassionate being cause he must of freed alot of people I know he did that for me.....could be totally wrong but...... Hes rad. People saying he is the last stop of the search I can definitely agree. Never felt so free and at peace before. Sorry if my typing is off pretty tired. Peace. Thankyou
I think due to his raw statements about love, affection, compassion, all of that stuff, he comes across as very cynical. But if you listen to his closest friends that spent years and decades of their lives with him, they often claim that no one cared for or loved them more sincerely or genuinely than U.G.
Heart doesn't know it is pumping blood - but we are stuck with existential nausea - combining two of his statements. Good luck to you - that's all I can say
@@jeffforsythe9514 thank you - but I am not practicing or encouraging anyone to practice anything - the moment we are looking for a practice we are searching for perfection - the moment we are searching for perfection we are admitting we are not perfect and the game is over. That is what I learned from UG. He or I saying the same thing - there is no need to be perfect! It is a hunt
"Don't make virtue of your Poverty"...it makes me cry...i lost best part of life chasing Gurus getting nothing...wish I had listened to UG long back...
@Abhinav Menon but dear, when I see around is that almost all my friends arevsuccessful in their careers and in a much better position...while I foolishly spent best years of my life chasing spiritual things...i got nothing....when ug says it's too bad to be satisfied with a small piece of cake....makes me cry... It seems what a mess has I made of my life... It's Very difficult for any other fellow to understand my situation
@Abhinav Menon I may be wrong but what I understand is that UG by giving example of CAKE he is conveying that one should get success in his materialistic life to live comfortably, if not happy, and not to fall for spiritual gimmicks... In that sense, I wish I had listened to him long back to achieve success while my known ones pursued their materialistic goals are way ahead and living better lives..
@@dalbirsingh7342 If your search is over why are you here? As far as I can see you are here exactly to prove your own opinion right. UG searched very deeply but in the end his search "burnt up", please introspect and see if that is the case. Otherwise you're deceiving yourself. The spritual pursuit if any, is of totally losing the false, the true is not gained it is always the case.
@@aquietsky burnt up is a very dogmatic statement to be made about somebody else...a person who has really burnt up his search can say but for others it's just a statement....and it's worst to impose on others
Cherechi Osisioma I believe I have heard him at least admit that even...he says I have to express this in some way, I'm just a dog barking, it's non sense..these people don't get that, I'm having a difficult time figuring out "a way" in which to express whatever it is that happened to me..I could only resort to calling it an "awakening" but I hadn't any Knowledge of this term before and when this sort of change took place, only after so I began using that word to describe it, but as he is saying, words do it no justice...and he is correct, it is reactive only, you are not creating ANYTHING with your thoughts "creating your own Reality" is some poppycock as well.
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It's no help to society that people find it so easy to cause so many dimensions of separation. Thought is separation. No thought is justifiable other than the very nature of the thought itself which is ineffable in turn destroying any reason to apply context. Which is the very reason the thoughts cannot be "our own". Endless negation. Endless inspiration if that fit's your particular fancy. :p I love U.G.
@@jeffforsythe9514 Thank you very much for commenting! Seeing what I had said long ago gave me insight into how I have changed in terms of my worldview. It's cathartic.
UG is great, very challenging that is what I love about him. I have listened to his talks and lectures for many years now, but the main thing I have realised is that he says nothing of the Prime Mover, the source of all existence. Perhaps I have missed something. Blessed be all seekers
It means your idea/representation of something (no matter how accurate it is) will never be the same as experiencing the real thing. I.E.When you ask the question: am I alive? You in turn are ignore the fact that you are alive. Which is quite foolish because you put into question something that is absolutely true full stop. What answer would you need that could satisfy your question? Because that would mean that you would already know what being alive means, which you do, but you effectively caused yourself amnesia.
He just tears down this notion of subjective understanding of ourselves and reality as something separate from reality as it is.We are not results of prior causes so much as we are the it as it is now,past present and future.
@@jeffforsythe9514 maybe you don't understand UG Krishnamurti. His teachings are not shallow it's the deepest because it is not a teaching it's a way of life without meditation, mysticism, spirituality. He will take you to the bottom and tell you life is miserable wether you live it or not. Thought and thinking produce culture like Falun Dafa, has Buddhist roots which also consist of exercise, kind of like yoga and meditation. UG Krishnamurti will tell you meditation is evil because it is a self fulfilling idea and is coming from a culture. Culture is the cause of suffering because it's programming against the natural way, culture separates us from many things such as other cultures and nature. It takes guts and open minded individuals to get UG krishnamurti, after all he is not a teacher, not a guru, not telling us what to think etc. "Woke me up" means no culture involved and no mysticism just the now.
Its quite simple really! He does not identify with the body-mind illusions! He simply lives as the Prior Condition of Being Already Alive, without identification. He is living like an open vessel without attachment!
It's fascinating to watch how thoughts interrupt one another, and how whenever UG is at the point of making a solid statement some of his interlocutors gets back at him with a question connected with what he said earlier, instead of for once focusing on whatever he might be trying to actually communicate. There's no real emptiness of mind in this conversation, only turmoil, constant brewing. It's funny, I had that experience a lot, being interrupted at the exact point when a truly finite and helpful thought entered my mind, and it used to drive me crazy - to the point that I decided that that was my fate, and that perhaps I was ramming my head against an invisible but quite solid boundary of my reality, and that I'd better not try to break free, unless I wanted all hell to break lose... But try to liberate myself I did, and all hell did break lose :/
@34:30 'The more we know laws of nature (he's talking about science not dhamma I gather)… tremendous progress… but moving in the direction of wiping everything out… so I have no respect for the human race.' UG was on the ball, probably had never even heard of climate change too, wasn't big subject in 70/80s.
true, I have been some sort of a climate fighter for many years and it's pointless. No one want's to even recognize the issue towards the very root, human kind is too fragmented away from the connection towards nature and each other, and busy within the conditioning of ignorant and selfish behavior with no intent to transform itself worthy of the very name "civilization", (based upon divide and conquer principles and the very competitive base this "society" is build upon) let alone thinking around soft landing approaches, like thinking and acting around population control, re-evaluation and self reflection of our planet eating cultural habits, caring and tolerating one another differences, and many more things I managed to experiment on my own and succeeded towards some form of de-conditioning from culture, and answer, but then you are seen as some kind of nut freak ready for some asylum at best. (I can not recommend anyone doing the same;) You can call mankind whatever you want, but it's behaving like just another self-destructive virus, trying to eat it's host away without the slightest attempt towards an equilibrium and survival of both (like some organisms and even animals do). Don't worry in a way, earth and nature will get what they want, too bad for human kind with all their "intelligence", or lack there of in regards towards some self reflection. Maybe we'll be pumped out of earth's fabric one day, as some fossil fuel towards another civ, and new form all together ;-)
I think people should look at the suicide rates. What a hell of a "progress" we've got. Go to a reddit thread called SuicideWatch. It's filled to the brim with 15 and 16 year olds. What a hell of a progress we've got. To pave our environment with the lifelessness of concrete. To box ourselves in our cages we call home. To force our minds into the gutter of tech, and away from each other. What a paradise of illness we've created. What a hell of a progress we've got.
@@GrubKiller436 This is exactly what I am feeling and seeing since i was 4 years old. I have really never liked life. Death is the only way out i hope. Suicide thoughts ruined my life for decades. But to really do it takes courage i don't seem to have. Life is pointless.
I've had incredible things happen that convinced me my god was real. I'm not convinced anymore. I don't think you were led by God here. This man is the end of God.
I'm a creative myself, and I got to recognize this (around originality and thinking). Most things are based on what you know, or as a reaction towards some input provided. If anything original occurs, it's most likely based on some accident based on solving a whole other problem as originaly intended searching for.
It's spontaneous. Imagination draws from the depths of the mind... so deep that you don't know what you don't know what you know. It's an accident insofar as we stumble upon it unconsciously. But your brain doesn't have 'creative solutions' stored up in the first place. The 'solution' IS the process.
If there is any end then it has to be UG😍. If you understand what he is saying then you don’t know how to explain it to anyone else... It’s futile and you realize there is no way out.
I listened to him many times before and never understood and one day I had a vivid perception of non existence of mind and with it the whole delusional world collapsed for me and now when I came back to listen to him, I can resonate everything! In reality, there is no one to claim as “I” at all! It’s all spontaneous simultaneous happenings just here and now leaving no trace of memory or knowledge moment to moment.. It was crystal clear to me that I was never born!
All he's saying is that we live in a determinant world. Everything is predetermined, and there's nothing we can do about it. If that's what he means, I'm in agreement. Every particle in the universe obeys certain physical laws that determine the outcome of all futures.
I almost agree with you. Im definetley a determinist but the part I disagree with is that its PREdetermined. That would mean that sometime before the happening it was planned out ahead of time.I dont see the physical laws as seperate from the particles of which they "control". I dont see a seperation between the noun and the verb.
I don't even know who's writing this comment but whover is here..this desire came in there heart to reach out and feel like being a part of the community that thinks like them because there thinking makes them feel isolated from everything in the world and they're scared of coming to an ending/death.. they're looking for other thought entities to console them that it's all ok.. We are all one..
I am amazed at how this didnt end in a massive brawl. UG bitch slapped them for an hour straight. You just cant touch UG you can neither agree nor disagree without being an idiot his style is impetuous his defense is impregnable and hes just ferocious. The Buddha himself would hold his beer after exchanging greetings and sitting to one side.
His endgame is practically contextlessness. Devoid of a reference point. He say's it simply, and english is not his primary language, compound that with the insufficiency of language, and it's easy to see why needy believers have a hard time inserting what he says into their framework. His talk on origins is textbook Agrippa's Trillema, and Jed Mckenna broke it down best. "Agrippa's Trilemma is the three-legged stool of delusion. Meaning no matter your cultural framework - or your belief set, your religion et al - One generally adheres to these three. Behold the egg, it came from a chicken. Behold the chicken, it came from an egg. The question, as we all know, is which came first? And what came before that? And what came before that? And what came before that? And so on. Forever. In timespace, consensus reality, everything that exists must have a beginning - a time before which it wasn't, and after which it was - and something from which it came; a source or cause, a precursor or progenitor. Anything that exists must have been created, anything that stands must stand on something. Any structure must have a foundation to hold it up, but when we look to see what's holding up the structure of our reality, we find three illogical impossibilities; Infinite Structure, Self-Supporting Structure, and Magic Structure. Infinite Structure is bottomless. There is no final, all-supporting support, just endless, unsupportable support. Every new sub-level we insert to support the one above requires another one below. That's infinite regression, and it's turtles all the way down. Self-Supporting Structure is where the foundation hangs from the structure it supports. You can say, for instance, that you know that God exists because the Bible says so, and the Bible must be right because it's the word of God. That's the circular reasoning fallacy; every chicken came from an egg and every egg came from a chicken. And so on. Forever. Magic Structure is when we say fk it, we all see the stupid chicken, it obviously came from somewhere, so let's just say there's a Miracle Egg and leave it at that. That's the axiomatic fallacy, where we insist on a magical foundation - God, the Big Bang, the Great Turtle - and move on. And there you have it. Those are the three horns of Agrippa's Trilemma - infinite regression, circular reasoning, the axiomatic fallacy - which falsify the very possibility of objective knowledge. The trilemma part is that, unless you can completely ignore the question of being, like a dog does, you have to settle for one of the three, and then employ doublethink to forget the fact that everything you know is based on a lie."
What he fails to communicate, or what I fail to interpret from what he's saying, is that Self can be separated and killed without dying physically. It is the Self that exalts the Guru and declares the teaching sacred. It is the Self, that carries the weight of its own imperfections. It is the Self that is convinced there is a problem and something needs to be fixed. The Self must find the explosive force necessary to destroy itself. All thought is destructive. It's a process of negation, and the self must be pushed by suicidal discontent and not pulled by desire. In the end, UG Krishnamurti has no need for these concepts, these structures of thought, nor does he really have the desire to communicate it. But to the Self looking to incinerate itself in the fire, it will require a framework or a conceptual space to fight this war. It's the gateless-gate paradox. The awakened being is of a different order of being than the unawakened, that's where the gap of communication is coming from.
+ ImaGo- Ry Probably slightly off topic, but as you mention "Behold the egg" ........ Eggs... Ask anyone - scientist, politician, economist, space researcher, corporate high flier, army general, dictator, secret service agent, terrorist, religious advocate, lawyer, accountant, inventor, IT technician, engineer, industrialist, real estate agent, architect, artist, antiques dealer, ecologist, historian, professor, man in the street, yes, even chicken farmers, egg suppliers and vegetarians: "What came first, the chicken or the egg?" and the answer is: "No idea". Tell them you're trying to work it out and they tell you: "You're wasting my time, and yours". Some might even think you're crazy and you should be locked up. Now ain't that funny, everyone claims to have answers for anything and everything, but not a single one has an answer for this very simple question. Of course I don't either, that is why I'm asking this question to any one of all those people who know all about Life and use that "authority" to force their own "eggs" down everyone's throat. So what's the point wrecking your brain over something nobody can answer and I dare add: "Never will...? Well, simple: We, the human race, know absolutely nothing. Yeah sure, we know how to add 2+2, do mathematics, count money, construct obscene corporate city skylines, even metal monsters to dig up soil, bulldoze forests, fly in the air, we can build dams and divert rivers, drill hundreds of meters under ground, into the ocean floor, blow up mountains with dynamite, build trucks, trains and cargo ships to move things back and forth from one place to another and back to the first place, etcetera, etcetera, even make bullets, bombs and missiles to kill, maim, destroy people, wildlife, anything that's not convenient. There's no limit to what we can do, except explain the simple egg - the simple egg which not only holds the secret to a pending miracle, but provides food for everything from animals to people, as eggs come in abundant quantities to provide both new Life as well as Earth population sustainability - there's chicken eggs, duck eggs, in fact all birds lay eggs, as well as fish, crocodiles, snakes, ants and even micro organisms that work 24/7 to provide the rich top soil for growth that we so relentlessly move away to dig up gold, metal, coal, and build concrete monstrosities on that are going to come down again after their limited life due date. Yes, the humble egg not only comes in its perfectly engineered shape and contents, it falls of trees by the millions every day in the shape of nuts of all kinds, some to produce new shade shrubs and canopy trees, some for the birds and critters who out of gratitude distribute them over a big wide area, and what is left is for the micro workers in the ground who tirelessly chew it and grind it into a rich soil where all those things start thriving like: vegetables, fruit, medicines, beautiful flowers for the bees so you can have honey on your bread while you gaze at the magic colour schemes from your cane chair on your front porch. All this industrious activity ensures that all the magic continues to get better and better, so that Life on Earth gets better and better for everyone concerned. But hey! Hang on a minute! "We're not like them" - meaning that we have brains that can make it all work much better, all we need to do is dig a bit here and there, grind it to bits and pieces, see what it's made of and mix it up with one thing or other, then we sit back and watch what happens, if it looks good, we can mass produce it to make everyone's life easier. If it doesn't, well that's life for some and the end for the unlucky guinea pigs - there's plenty, they breed like rabbits anyway. Some people even predicted a few hundred years ahead that we could fly, as has now been proven to be correct. And fly we do, from London to Paris, to Rome, Washington, Tel Aviv, Moscow, Beijing, Tokyo, not always successful, but we're all having a great time... well... almost all, some of us are plowing up the top soil and sow it full of chemicals to produce the fuel to keep the others flying... both, the bodies and the machines. Then there's God. Yes, God, the Creator of Life of whom we all know everything, except how he, she, or it, made the egg - or was it the chicken. Well, how about we all have our own God, then we can have more diversity and study groups that can all work on the problem in their own findings, write it all down and then dispose of all these groups one by one, until the one who's got all the answers emerges as the winner... just like the more subtle corporate system. Then we make pyramid style hierarchies with layers of underdogs over underdogs and we all kneel to the almighty up the top, who knows everything... except who came first, the chicken or the egg. Wouldn't it be nice... for humanity, animals, the ecosystem, environment the fresh air and the clean rivers if we all admitted that we're not God, we don't know who or what God is... unless we can answer that simple question: "What came first, the chicken or the egg". Until then, the only feasible option we have is to accept the miracle we cannot explain, get on with educating each other not to breed like rabbits and destroy each other and our Planet in the process, live and work cooperatively towards a Life where everyone can dance to the rhythm, smell the scent of the forests and flowers, breathe the fresh air and let the chickens lay their eggs in a cruelty free environment and without chemicals and genetic modification, pretty much as everything else, like it was designed in the first place. Bob Oort, October 7, 2010
These people r envious of UG'S way of existing. They r all seeking,wanting life with only pleasure, satisfaction and no pain.This man has understood and axcepted his nothingness and his audience expect to have his experience. There's no teaching from UG.All we know is what we were taught by whatever culture we were born into.Then by interacting with other cultures we share intel.Every life form has a unique life experience. Why so many different forms of religion? There exist an intelligent force we call life.It create the body,it is with the body,it guides this body,it provides for this body, it protects the body,heals the body and recycles the body. We have to understand and accept we cannot visit nature.We r nature.I am grateful for hearing this man's way of interacting.
Timestamps:
0:00 - No free will
0:28 - We are machines
0:41 - Self-consciousness in human species
1:30 - No purpose
2:10 - What is Thinking?
2:30 - Thoughts only come from outside
2:50 - Human brain is only a reactor
3:25 - No thoughts
4:50 - No Beginning, no End
5:55 - Death does not exist
6:25 - Not logically ascertained
6:50 - Wanting is Thinking
7:35 - Thought is a dead thing
7:55 - Experience is born out of knowledge
9:30 - No separation
11:10 - No such thing as a new experience
11:35 - The World Mind (As UG says)
12:35 - You can’t experience your existence except through the knowledge given to you
13:15 - Futility of questioning reality
13:50 - “How?”
14:55 - “How to live?” Is the main problem
15:45 - Thinking can only create problems
16:15 - Brain is not involved in Thinking
16:30 - Memory
17:18 - All sensations/emotions are a menace for the body
18:23 - Pleasure is Pain
19:20 - Achieving goals/Happiness
19:55 - Thought is Matter
20:23 - Spiritual goals are Materialistic
20:45 - Culture is the tragedy of Man
21:30 - Philosophy is useless
23:15 - I don’t know what happened to me
25:05 - I have no “message” for anyone
25:50 - I’m a machine gun
26:50 - What is Life?
30:40 - Cellular structure analogy
31:20 - Selfishness/Selflessness
32:00 - God/Creator is irrelevant
34:00 - Just be miserable. There’s no way out.
34:45 - Technological progress? No progress
36:10 - Jealousy
36:35 - Nobody could help me
37:23 - Cake analogy
37:48 - No virtue in poverty
38:25 - Selflessness (Part 2)
39:25 - No present moment
39:55 - Body is immortal/Death
42:22 - Death of others can’t be experienced
43:10 - You’re a mechanical machine
43:44 - We’re just robots. Sorry.
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Conversation
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49:10 - Putting labels on me
50:15 - Questions and Answers
50:50 - No problems only solutions
52:00 - No Happiness
54:50 - Purpose of life?
56:35 - We love Fear
58:00 - Cobras
58:35 - No isolated events
Thank you for this one and other timestamps you've contributed with.
@@lecturesbeyondbeyond no problem 😎👍
Thanks for the efforts
What year was this conversation??? What's the real name of this video? What year was it recorded?
@@roybecker492 probably 1989 or 1990. And probably in California since Terry Newland was in this video.
"I really don't know what happiness is so I can never be unhappy." -U. G. Krishnamurti
Though we are so proud is cause of cultural and sociey. But if we relinquish that what will it remain??
not knowing what happiness is not knowing what unhappiness is
but there are many long moments I suffer a lot
by seeing how we all have been caught up in the causalitiy of things and matters
not only humans are suffering but anything around us is suffering : ..nature ,plants birds animals repriles,insects amphibians..
is it the mind stuff that makes me suffer...?
We are computer machines
Happiness does not exist; only the choice between boredom or suffering. Hence it is easier to love suffering than it is to embrace boredom which is just anger spread thin.
@@sinistergeek my thoughts exactly but he addresses this around 36:00; how dangerous enlightenment is - his variant at least. Basically man is plunged into something hellish even from his standpoint. Frankly I dread his kind of 'enlightenment' - and if he's right, there's no other kind. A bit of a pickle. On the one hand, forget about 'getting to the core of this thing yearning for eternity called life' on the other - something worse than annihilation.
I'm one of the luckiest man in the world to have come across this extraordinary man ,he pulled me out of darkness!
Yes he pulled me out of darkness and it did'nt take long. Amazing .
Me?
If he heard you now though, he will say that what you say is just idiotic...how do you know you were in darkness?
The fact that you are making such a statement means that you are still in the darkness and he never pulled you out to anywhere! I feel so unlucky to have come across your comment.
There was no darkness in the ist place... So pulling u out from there makes no sense😂
I dunno what it is, but there's a resonance with his words. I can listen to him forever
U.G. Untouchable Gangsta
Nic Patean his hair is badass. 100% gangsta. The other Krishnamurti kept a gravity defying combover that subtly uncovered his massive bald patch to hint at his brain. UG adorns his head with a badass haircut. Its the equivalent of Mr T's gold chains.
@@kidsfriends8269 interesting. It's in his haircut
@@kidsfriends8269He wore his hair like that in order to cover his abnormally large ears.
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@@ahmonjeremiah7114 Buddha ears?
I am very grateful that UG lives via youtube (even more than the books that have also come down). After UG there is no place to go. How wonderful.
Yes. So true!
That might be, but when will you leave UG???
Totally agree with you
UG is the dead end. One should be content here or completely pissed that such a creature ever existed
Very well put ! ... "no place to go"...
U.G. totally reassures me ...✌👍✌❗
And comforts still, as we see the craziness of this World getting but worse !
The true teacher. The true well-wisher. The true sage. What a boss! Love his smile and straightforwardness. Thank you Sir UG for making me realise I'm just like an ANT. It gives me a lot of peace.
Enjoy the comments as well....takes me there!😎❤️
i just love this dude. He disturbs me
who is it that is being disturbed? ;)
So true 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I know people who would be glad to disturb you if that's your thing.
I love him too :) :)
@@kite4792 MY EGO..
Logically ascertained Premise! Love U.G.s phrases. It's been a decade and half of knowing U.G. I keep coming back to him!
"Live in misery and die in misery , there's no way out " - U. G. Krishnamurti
Most Honest and Outstanding Individual I've ever come across UA-cam !
What i really admire from UG is his sincerity and brutal frankness ...
This man emboldens you. He is both poison and antidote. He challenges you to be courageous. To stand on your own, free of every damn thing!
By watching this, I just realised I am seeking again. Seeking for something I already have. This is home. It's always been home. The present moment. Now. I'm home
Did you talk yourself into it lol
Sometimes we get lost and need to find our way back and sometimes we need a reminder of how to get there
Shhhiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet ...
@@jeffforsythe9514 your judgements chain you to fear and sorrow
WHERE IS THIS NOW?!?!?
"Demand to create the purpose makes us missing out on things". Such a relief, can now relax in my misery and die in my misery ❤️
what you are talking about
@@sabi423 He/she is talking about the possibility of being relieved of the fear of dying. I'm guessing you're very young or very happy. I'm neither. Perhaps I've totally misunderstood you?
lol 25:44 😅
after a listening to a bunch of ug's talks for a while, i got the feeling that they just go in endless circles, going nowhere. but i still love to listen for the transmission of emptiness & freedom!
I am very lucky that I heard this man in this life.
@Daffie Dill We were never alone :)
"There's no need for any communication at all " My Mother is Aboriginal in her 80's and she has Peers who visit, and they sit there for sometimes even 20 mins and not say one word. Now I know why.
Reclaiming indigenous voice and vision is a possible path. No words. Speaks often more. How fascinating we are drawn to noise
@@Jsmithyy silence is gold
Thats next level companionship right there. Most of what passes for conversation is nonsense. You Mum and her buddies have a couple lifetimes of interaction in their silence for every party of people talking over each other seeking to communicate! Please interview her on what is happening if she's open to it and let us know what you learn.
@@Kobe29261 I will ask her, well to be honest im gonna have to say i been talking about you on the internet again and tell her this post to see what response she gives hehe
Crazy how the U.G. persona held so much disdain for J.K. They were facing opposite directions on the same mountaintop. Rather, both realized they never were... J.K. from inquiry into not/self to reveal the absence of a center. UG self-destructed the dream that never started.
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U.G.'s perspective is truly fun.
At first, one may reject him because the Truth is too cold to accept.
But eventually, one sees this just as the way it really is, not good, not bad.
@cranglepiano Yes, if you want to take it further, we are VERY lucky. I just ate dinner, and I'm drinking a Polish beer, that doesn't sound like much right? Lucky. VERY LUCKY. I ate dinner yes, but that dinner had ingredients from Italy, Scotland, Brazil, India, America, Canada, and more, and the beer came straight from Poland. My point? Tonight I got to eat BETTER than KINGS did 100 years ago. We are very lucky.
So much of what he says makes more and more sense as I go about my life. Most humans live by the stories they create in their minds. Cold hard reality is frightening to us
It's frightening to the ego because it implies that the ego never existed
We create our boogie mans.
@@ABeautifulEarthForOurChildren If the ego does not exist, who is afraid then?
@@diggie9598 fear is an survival instinct and we project our fears onto the modern world
excellent point..@@ABeautifulEarthForOurChildren
I love him, I admire him like no other. So honest. So unique.
@ana thats the one thing he doesnt want "you" to do. By doing so you are doing disservice to him.
@@IAMinfiniteandfree. Such certainty. You're young, no?
@@thummajoe Why are you so angry?
@@paulcunnane4Such an arrogance, you think you are better no?
There's a certain technique that you need to listen to UG. You cannot try to figure out what he means. You just have to let it wash over you like when listening music.
@@xdfckt2564 What a perfect and precious thing to say. ( :
What a perfect and precious thing to say. ( :
Technique? Why? What are you hoping to get out of it? You think you'll learn something?
exactly! Don't 'try' and figure it out...if you play a game with your mind and just 'accept' it as truth, it will hit you like a eureka moment from hell and you'll see that everything you think you know, is a complete fabrication
@@buzzkill808raven2 the moment you accept something as truth, it's falsification follows immediately to show you that it's not. There is nothing to say. Words are dead
It's so clear that wanting to preserve anything causes great strain on living
The "The Original Sin" is the day you began your Spiritual Journey. (Remember the embarrassment you felt the first time you perused the New Age bookstore desparetly looking through the books until you fell for that one certain quote that gave you hope. Then when that quotes spell wore off you were right back at the book store just like an alcoholic heading for the liquor joint.)
You started Thinking even before you questioned reality
@@dwijgurram5490 Agreeing with Dwjj Gurram. U.G. is point at the original face before you saw your parents.
@@jeffforsythe9514 as you lattice you will suffer
You can say the about self help books
He always make my mind silent and sleepy flushing out all the bs.
flushing out? you live in backwards Lala land?
you proven my point with that comment. Thanks.@@arvi2010
This guy makes Author Schopenhauer sound like Tony Robbins haha
@spiro Arrogance is unattractive. Especially when it's unearned.
@spiro I love you.
May I interject, and throw a bone to all these barking dogs 🐕??? You all are basking in the idea that you know something yet the manifestation of your knowledge has left you unsatisfied enough that you are here still entertaining yourselves... my question is.. are you not entertained???!!!!! Please do take the bone and look for a different show. May I suggest some Allan Watts and some Dick Gregory lol 😂
spiro sadly you still remain under the illusion that you can change your illusions. Just another dog. Here is a bone 🦴... the fact alone that you float around in your epithets, masquerading this and that as subtle acknowledgements of that which you pretend to understand just to engage in self flogging in a jerking circle ⭕️ with your “screen buddies” amuses me more than reading your condemnation of the rational. That which is, remains as such and that which could be is just an anxiety attack to those that wish to understand where is that they are heading. Opaque as it is, I’m just barking as well. How about it, let’s all go at that 🦴!!!
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This man is a as real as it gets, the one and only straight shooter I ever listen to
A drunk explaining how drunk they are could also be considered a straightshooter.
20:45 When the guy asks "Why is the demand there? Why is it there?" and U.G.'s reply is "The demand is introduced by culture!"
@@G5tranceOf course. I have been studying this since high school!
The man is doubtlessly a genius.
a genius at marketing extreme dissociation
@@rickdeckard1075 he did write a few books but he wasn't marketing anything. He could have easily done the guru thing and made a killing like all the Sahdguru types but he lived off his families fortune and when that ran out some wealthy benefactor bankrolled his life. He told people to steal his books man...
Based on what exactly? His anger management issues?
@@modo203 Based on his authenticity and conviction
@@mellomrom9212 observations are not "reactions" in the sense you are implying, in contrast to your obsolescent employment of "emoji"
favorite quote " You are the expression of life....Unfortunately we separated our self's and we have given to our self's, the tremendous idea that we are quite different Place our self's on the top of the whole creation, which we are not. We're nothing in the scheme of things! We're are no more important. All of us, all of these human bodies will be used, by nature because it need our energy somewhere else. "- U.G. Krishnamurti.
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In the enormity of the creative force or such energy in all its myriad ways,taking into consideration the entire gamut of creative processes we find elsewhere in the inter-galactic space, human beings cannot be considered the crown of creation any more from the stand point of TENNYSON in his LOTUS EATERS.
@spiro IF you cannot fathom it...or try to understand what i am saying...i cannot blame you. why don't you try understanding the vast unfathomable space between galaxies, measured in light years man......think before you ink. no hard feelings man. except your hatred of words.......! ENGLISH language is nobody's personal asset.
@spiro you are incorrigible......that's a big word again to you........we have already gone to MARS....
@Icy_cool AS a matter of fact, I don't have the slightest clue of what you are sprouting....TIME & SPACE are not just manifestations of mind, but they are physical entities, mental perception of such entities are manifestation of perception. if MIND IS A MYTH as your mentor UGK says & if it is taken seriously the very human existence becomes a figment of pure imagination, without mind, there can be no brain or vice versa, mind is external stimuli, whereas brain is physical manifestation of the mind. if mind is a myth, the physical world we perceive through the agency of mental perception by using our brains would be just empty space.!! because mind being a myth, any external perception would be a myth too. human progress intellectually, & mentally would be unthinkable through a mythical mind. human race & its evolution through the ages has been possible only through the human brain & its concomitant the mind, human race would have remained in a vegetative state had not brain & mind played their mutual role of cognitive perception....if you cannot digest my use of big words, it is your inadequacy of mind, rather to put it more meaningfully, your mental myth. nobodyn
A burst of electrifying energy at 39:10 ⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
I can see why It goes over so many people's heads: there is nothing to grasp for those who cling on to ideas. True mind=No mind.
Isn't "true mind=no mind" an idea?
@Sam UG: nothing to understand!!! This guy: you can grasp it if you dont cling onto ideas. Grasp what? No mind? How can you grasp no mind? There is no mind to grasp, let alone some kind of no mind.
@@preupped6201 No mind? No matter.
@@PlayMoreLoud true.
@@preupped6201 that's like when you tell a Christian that there are no absolutes and they reply "isn't that an absolute?" These are the limits of the various sounding grunts we call language.
i fuckin love this guy....it really is simple...its sooooooo fucking beautiful..
knob
It amazes me how people will binge watch UG but still can't help leaving pseudo philosophical jargon in the comments
I WAS THINKING THE SAME SHIT 😂😂😂😂
That’s part of the fun, the game.. you think by ppl listening to him they will automatically “see the light” pfft
We like to leave our own little smudge mark on the walls of history ;D
Some do not let go of the carrot unless they are told to or forced. That is human behavior
Still we can only comment because of the use of knowledge. We want to comment. Thinking and wanting the same thing. As UG said: it's all like the barking of the dog. Wroof! Whether you use spiritual jargon or knowledge it is the same jargon. We put ourself in a superimposed position as if our comment is of something special instead of all others comments. It is all bullshit. Even my comment is of utter uselessness as is yours. The moment we think we can make a point we have already falsified ourselves. And we are all repeating the one bs after the other. Yes I am trying to make a point. It is useless. It was better to shut up and move on. But still I am a slave of thinking and wanting. There is no way out. We are all trapped.
The "Search" ends here. Nothing left to discuss.
There was no search from the begin with. Just running away
@@ABeautifulEarthForOurChildren exactly 🙌🙏🏻❤️💖🥰🔱🕉️
Don't entangle your mind in anything.. The natural quietness will come to you.. That's all there is ,😁
Yep
That's one way of looking at it
UG: The most interesting man I have listened to till date!!
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The most profound video ever. So thrilled I discovered this honesty: what a mind!
lol.. This guy has little idea. just like you!
@@WickedG5150 Are LOL while looking in a mirror?
@@OfCourseICan Do you really believe the stuff that he is trying to say?
@@WickedG5150 What good is belief to you ?
My takes on applying the wisdom of UG. I believe our self identity is created in the mind by our society, we don’t even have a choice, we are all given an identity in childhood, and this in itself is an illusion. Now that you are operating solely on thoughts and your self image, which is all a mental concept, You will need your mind to free yourself from the illusion you were born into. Once your mind is free of illusions, stop asking, and start living spontaneously in the now.
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Can it be lived without healing the traumas and wounds from childhood family n society
unless we live accept life as an endless drama it will keep haunting troubling us......UG rightly says There is no way out.
He said there is nothing to understand. And most still misunderstand him!
Thank you for the knowledge and for presenting it as it is. You helped me a lot. See you in space.
So much confidence in his speech to clarify ideas
“Enjoy your fear, love your fear” - Beautiful
Wow....from 40mins in he smashes it....the body is immortal
I always, always come back to UG. He de man😂
One of the best videos of UG
Most of his statements are very much aligned with vedantic and Buddhist wisdom... Although he criticise but he is saying similar things with different prisms.. essence is same
@Greedy Bastard I would say ..pay more attention to what is he really saying... When he discribe things... What ever he says is pure wisdom... But due to our idiotic ideas and beliefs regarding religion and wisdom.. he just rejects and decline everything...
Cake example is an simple illustration to know what the society and living is all about !!! tremendous
this story is as good as any other story
Wanting is thinking.
I thought that was profound too - one of the first notes I took on the video. That we can cut off desire by the cessation of thought.
The challenge I have with UG is his ability to use thought to function and avoid all of its contamination besides; for a mortal like me thought is useful and over-useful; heals and poisons
Yo I want to say........I got into UG very recently. There was times where i felt averse towards him based on some of the things he was saying but I did like some of it so I got his book mind is a myth. It honestly felt like death to read at first kind of lol. But it really ended up freeing me and I am very grateful. Been on the spiritual search long time. Although he seems to come off rough around the edges I think he might actually be a very compassionate being cause he must of freed alot of people I know he did that for me.....could be totally wrong but...... Hes rad. People saying he is the last stop of the search I can definitely agree. Never felt so free and at peace before. Sorry if my typing is off pretty tired. Peace. Thankyou
Kapil Gupta next. Pieces of his message. Disregard the flaming.
I think due to his raw statements about love, affection, compassion, all of that stuff, he comes across as very cynical. But if you listen to his closest friends that spent years and decades of their lives with him, they often claim that no one cared for or loved them more sincerely or genuinely than U.G.
Man he is really really using very strong words.. intelligent man
Now I think that he really learnt what j krishnamurti was teachingf!
Heart doesn't know it is pumping blood - but we are stuck with existential nausea - combining two of his statements. Good luck to you - that's all I can say
@@jeffforsythe9514 thank you - but I am not practicing or encouraging anyone to practice anything - the moment we are looking for a practice we are searching for perfection - the moment we are searching for perfection we are admitting we are not perfect and the game is over. That is what I learned from UG. He or I saying the same thing - there is no need to be perfect! It is a hunt
@@jeffforsythe9514 Hell is a word created to keep the business of religion intact - good luck brother
"Don't make virtue of your Poverty"...it makes me cry...i lost best part of life chasing Gurus getting nothing...wish I had listened to UG long back...
@Abhinav Menon but dear, when I see around is that almost all my friends arevsuccessful in their careers and in a much better position...while I foolishly spent best years of my life chasing spiritual things...i got nothing....when ug says it's too bad to be satisfied with a small piece of cake....makes me cry... It seems what a mess has I made of my life... It's Very difficult for any other fellow to understand my situation
@Abhinav Menon I may be wrong but what I understand is that UG by giving example of CAKE he is conveying that one should get success in his materialistic life to live comfortably, if not happy, and not to fall for spiritual gimmicks... In that sense, I wish I had listened to him long back to achieve success while my known ones pursued their materialistic goals are way ahead and living better lives..
@@dalbirsingh7342 If your search is over why are you here? As far as I can see you are here exactly to prove your own opinion right. UG searched very deeply but in the end his search "burnt up", please introspect and see if that is the case. Otherwise you're deceiving yourself. The spritual pursuit if any, is of totally losing the false, the true is not gained it is always the case.
@@aquietsky burnt up is a very dogmatic statement to be made about somebody else...a person who has really burnt up his search can say but for others it's just a statement....and it's worst to impose on others
@@dalbirsingh7342 It's not my statement but UG's own. I heard it from him either in one of his videos or his book.
All pathologies are coming from ego. Once one understand this, there is no one to be liberated, just liberation.
I've never found more profound teachings than UG's, masterpiece. What's there in life is the projection of our mind not reality as is.
Be careful, even UG himself knows he's full of shit. Listen to his talks carefully, it's full of contradictions
Cherechi Osisioma I'd say negations, contractions sounds like he didn't do it with purpose.
Cherechi Osisioma what are contradictions? opposing thoughts dumbass.
u know wassup!!
Cherechi Osisioma I believe I have heard him at least admit that even...he says I have to express this in some way, I'm just a dog barking, it's non sense..these people don't get that, I'm having a difficult time figuring out "a way" in which to express whatever it is that happened to me..I could only resort to calling it an "awakening" but I hadn't any Knowledge of this term before and when this sort of change took place, only after so I began using that word to describe it, but as he is saying, words do it no justice...and he is correct, it is reactive only, you are not creating ANYTHING with your thoughts "creating your own Reality" is some poppycock as well.
I was in search mode, and this genius being has destroying my path, and i don't know where to go again, so here I AM ! ... THANKS U.G ❤
Get lost in the world, in love, ... smile, laugh, love, eat.. and do exercise.. enjoy the sun, the water, the wind.. love people, love animLs.. love nature..
Be natural!!
🎶Dale a tu cuerpo alegria, Macarena, que tu cuerpo es pa darle alegria y cosas buenas.. eeehh Macarena!! Aaayyy🎶
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It's no help to society that people find it so easy to cause so many dimensions of separation. Thought is separation. No thought is justifiable other than the very nature of the thought itself which is ineffable in turn destroying any reason to apply context. Which is the very reason the thoughts cannot be "our own". Endless negation. Endless inspiration if that fit's your particular fancy. :p I love U.G.
@@jeffforsythe9514 Thank you very much for commenting! Seeing what I had said long ago gave me insight into how I have changed in terms of my worldview. It's cathartic.
UG is great, very challenging that is what I love about him. I have listened to his talks and lectures for many years now, but the main thing I have realised is that he says nothing of the Prime Mover, the source of all existence. Perhaps I have missed something.
Blessed be all seekers
"The map is not the territory. The menu doesn't taste like the meal."
What does that mean, can you explain it to me ? Thanks
It means your idea/representation of something (no matter how accurate it is) will never be the same as experiencing the real thing.
I.E.When you ask the question: am I alive? You in turn are ignore the fact that you are alive. Which is quite foolish because you put into question something that is absolutely true full stop. What answer would you need that could satisfy your question? Because that would mean that you would already know what being alive means, which you do, but you effectively caused yourself amnesia.
sick quote but you should've let justmadeit2 figure the quote out on his own.. its part of the fun haha.
there is no map there is no territory
Well fucking said
He just tears down this notion of subjective understanding of ourselves and reality as something separate from reality as it is.We are not results of prior causes so much as we are the it as it is now,past present and future.
This is excellent! UG K woke me up!
@@jeffforsythe9514 maybe you don't understand UG Krishnamurti. His teachings are not shallow it's the deepest because it is not a teaching it's a way of life without meditation, mysticism, spirituality. He will take you to the bottom and tell you life is miserable wether you live it or not. Thought and thinking produce culture like Falun Dafa, has Buddhist roots which also consist of exercise, kind of like yoga and meditation. UG Krishnamurti will tell you meditation is evil because it is a self fulfilling idea and is coming from a culture. Culture is the cause of suffering because it's programming against the natural way, culture separates us from many things such as other cultures and nature. It takes guts and open minded individuals to get UG krishnamurti, after all he is not a teacher, not a guru, not telling us what to think etc. "Woke me up" means no culture involved and no mysticism just the now.
Its quite simple really! He does not identify with the body-mind illusions! He simply lives as the Prior Condition of Being Already Alive, without identification. He is living like an open vessel without attachment!
I dont know much but I think he would tear you unto pieces for using words like these lol
It's fascinating to watch how thoughts interrupt one another, and how whenever UG is at the point of making a solid statement some of his interlocutors gets back at him with a question connected with what he said earlier, instead of for once focusing on whatever he might be trying to actually communicate. There's no real emptiness of mind in this conversation, only turmoil, constant brewing. It's funny, I had that experience a lot, being interrupted at the exact point when a truly finite and helpful thought entered my mind, and it used to drive me crazy - to the point that I decided that that was my fate, and that perhaps I was ramming my head against an invisible but quite solid boundary of my reality, and that I'd better not try to break free, unless I wanted all hell to break lose... But try to liberate myself I did, and all hell did break lose :/
"Without the use of world mind knowledge you have no way of experiencing your separateness from that"
@34:30 'The more we know laws of nature (he's talking about science not dhamma I gather)… tremendous progress… but moving in the direction of wiping everything out… so I have no respect for the human race.'
UG was on the ball, probably had never even heard of climate change too, wasn't big subject in 70/80s.
true, I have been some sort of a climate fighter for many years and it's pointless. No one want's to even recognize the issue towards the very root, human kind is too fragmented away from the connection towards nature and each other, and busy within the conditioning of ignorant and selfish behavior with no intent to transform itself worthy of the very name "civilization", (based upon divide and conquer principles and the very competitive base this "society" is build upon)
let alone thinking around soft landing approaches, like thinking and acting around population control, re-evaluation and self reflection of our planet eating cultural habits, caring and tolerating one another differences, and many more things
I managed to experiment on my own and succeeded towards some form of de-conditioning from culture, and answer, but then you are seen as some kind of nut freak ready for some asylum at best. (I can not recommend anyone doing the same;)
You can call mankind whatever you want, but it's behaving like just another self-destructive virus, trying to eat it's host away without the slightest attempt towards an equilibrium and survival of both (like some organisms and even animals do).
Don't worry in a way, earth and nature will get what they want, too bad for human kind with all their "intelligence", or lack there of in regards towards some self reflection.
Maybe we'll be pumped out of earth's fabric one day, as some fossil fuel towards another civ, and new form all together ;-)
I think people should look at the suicide rates. What a hell of a "progress" we've got.
Go to a reddit thread called SuicideWatch. It's filled to the brim with 15 and 16 year olds.
What a hell of a progress we've got. To pave our environment with the lifelessness of concrete. To box ourselves in our cages we call home. To force our minds into the gutter of tech, and away from each other. What a paradise of illness we've created.
What a hell of a progress we've got.
@@GrubKiller436 This is exactly what I am feeling and seeing since i was 4 years old. I have really never liked life. Death is the only way out i hope. Suicide thoughts ruined my life for decades. But to really do it takes courage i don't seem to have. Life is pointless.
He lived through the 90s and early 2000s. He knew of climate change.
UG makes me laugh and he's not trying in the least to be funny. There is an indescribable charm to his ultra sobering style.
I am probably hearing this for the 100th time.
2nd time for me
ME ALSO
Mesmerizing!
I return to this "talk" over and over!
There's nothing there for "me", but I keep coming back!
The "actuality" of UG is astonishing!
UG forever!
Goodby and good luck to you! 😋😋
just superb!
I felt so lost today that I asked God for help. And here I am for the first time. What the heck is this stuff.
Crap.. Like all the rest of it.
Ultimate truth
This is raw reality hidden beneath your sugar coated religious and spiritual culture.
I've had incredible things happen that convinced me my god was real. I'm not convinced anymore. I don't think you were led by God here. This man is the end of God.
His interlocutor very smart. Enjoying this exchange.
living the life of the naked nondual un-teacher (love this guy!)
Ug is the only person who walked on this earth 🌍 ❤
I'm a creative myself, and I got to recognize this (around originality and thinking). Most things are based on what you know, or as a reaction towards some input provided. If anything original occurs, it's most likely based on some accident based on solving a whole other problem as originaly intended searching for.
It's spontaneous. Imagination draws from the depths of the mind... so deep that you don't know what you don't know what you know.
It's an accident insofar as we stumble upon it unconsciously. But your brain doesn't have 'creative solutions' stored up in the first place. The 'solution' IS the process.
Great to understand the nature and knowing it will do it's job live as one wishes without any confusing thoughts
This man was a great guru.
He was anti guru.
There is nothing to know.. 🙌🙏🏻🥰💙❤️🕉️🔱
If there is any end then it has to be UG😍. If you understand what he is saying then you don’t know how to explain it to anyone else... It’s futile and you realize there is no way out.
I listened to him many times before and never understood and one day I had a vivid perception of non existence of mind and with it the whole delusional world collapsed for me and now when I came back to listen to him, I can resonate everything! In reality, there is no one to claim as “I” at all! It’s all spontaneous simultaneous happenings just here and now leaving no trace of memory or knowledge moment to moment.. It was crystal clear to me that I was never born!
The most unenlightened enlightened natural man who walked the earth or maybe did not.
This is just a perspective. A perspective can be heard. To accept it or not is ones own decision.
Yes. It's amazing that people turn UG into the very thing he was so against
Acceptance,non acceptance, resistance of "it"does not make it not true
Indeed just about all my life experience are - again and again - teaching me Silence is powerful and profound. (I only I would listen ... )
u g made my life like air haha thanks man
the question only existz to waste my breath...
beautiful, extraordinary...
All he's saying is that we live in a determinant world. Everything is predetermined, and there's nothing we can do about it. If that's what he means, I'm in agreement. Every particle in the universe obeys certain physical laws that determine the outcome of all futures.
He is not saying it
@@neelu1966 Agreed he is not saying it, but he should because it's true.
I almost agree with you. Im definetley a determinist but the part I disagree with is that its PREdetermined. That would mean that sometime before the happening it was planned out ahead of time.I dont see the physical laws as seperate from the particles of which they "control". I dont see a seperation between the noun and the verb.
@@neelu1966 i think he's meaning it, though
Then why is advertising an art and not a science ?
I don't even know who's writing this comment but whover is here..this desire came in there heart to reach out and feel like being a part of the community that thinks like them because there thinking makes them feel isolated from everything in the world and they're scared of coming to an ending/death.. they're looking for other thought entities to console them that it's all ok.. We are all one..
I am amazed at how this didnt end in a massive brawl. UG bitch slapped them for an hour straight. You just cant touch UG you can neither agree nor disagree without being an idiot his style is impetuous his defense is impregnable and hes just ferocious. The Buddha himself would hold his beer after exchanging greetings and sitting to one side.
@Eat my...: 😁😄 boodha hold ॐ 🍺 ॐ ...
👍 .•°
@The Dreamer and in the meantime, he will take cash. He’s the best.
@@jeffforsythe9514 you mean the cult funded by Li Hongzhi, the guy who says multiracial relationships are an alien plot? No thank you.
If I end up in the afterlife I’m going for a tea party with U.G. just to hang around and laugh, what a specimen
''Why do we think'', mindblowing absurd question.
Jim Newman nonduality gives the same no message smiling.
Love for "both" no separation
The end of fear is the end of you. 57:18
His endgame is practically contextlessness. Devoid of a reference point. He say's it simply, and english is not his primary language, compound that with the insufficiency of language, and it's easy to see why needy believers have a hard time inserting what he says into their framework. His talk on origins is textbook Agrippa's Trillema, and Jed Mckenna broke it down best. "Agrippa's Trilemma is the three-legged stool of delusion. Meaning no matter your cultural framework - or your belief set, your religion et al - One generally adheres to these three.
Behold the egg, it came from a chicken. Behold the chicken, it came from an egg. The question, as we all know, is which came first? And what came before that? And what came before that? And what came before that? And so on. Forever.
In timespace, consensus reality, everything that exists must have a beginning - a time before which it wasn't, and after which it was - and something from which it came; a source or cause, a precursor or progenitor. Anything that exists must have been created, anything that stands must stand on something. Any structure must have a foundation to hold it up, but when we look to see what's holding up the structure of our reality, we find three illogical impossibilities; Infinite Structure, Self-Supporting Structure, and Magic Structure.
Infinite Structure is bottomless. There is no final, all-supporting support, just endless, unsupportable support. Every new sub-level we insert to support the one above requires another one below. That's infinite regression, and it's turtles all the way down.
Self-Supporting Structure is where the foundation hangs from the structure it supports. You can say, for instance, that you know that God exists because the Bible says so, and the Bible must be right because it's the word of God. That's the circular reasoning fallacy; every chicken came from an egg and every egg came from a chicken. And so on. Forever.
Magic Structure is when we say fk it, we all see the stupid chicken, it obviously came from somewhere, so let's just say there's a Miracle Egg and leave it at that. That's the axiomatic fallacy, where we insist on a magical foundation - God, the Big Bang, the Great Turtle - and move on.
And there you have it. Those are the three horns of Agrippa's Trilemma - infinite regression, circular reasoning, the axiomatic fallacy - which falsify the very possibility of objective knowledge. The trilemma part is that, unless you can completely ignore the question of being, like a dog does, you have to settle for one of the three, and then employ doublethink to forget the fact that everything you know is based on a lie."
What he fails to communicate, or what I fail to interpret from what he's saying, is that Self can be separated and killed without dying physically. It is the Self that exalts the Guru and declares the teaching sacred. It is the Self, that carries the weight of its own imperfections. It is the Self that is convinced there is a problem and something needs to be fixed. The Self must find the explosive force necessary to destroy itself. All thought is destructive. It's a process of negation, and the self must be pushed by suicidal discontent and not pulled by desire.
In the end, UG Krishnamurti has no need for these concepts, these structures of thought, nor does he really have the desire to communicate it. But to the Self looking to incinerate itself in the fire, it will require a framework or a conceptual space to fight this war. It's the gateless-gate paradox. The awakened being is of a different order of being than the unawakened, that's where the gap of communication is coming from.
+ ImaGo- Ry
Probably slightly off topic, but as you mention "Behold the egg" ........
Eggs...
Ask anyone - scientist, politician, economist, space researcher, corporate high flier, army general, dictator, secret service agent, terrorist, religious advocate, lawyer, accountant, inventor, IT technician, engineer, industrialist, real estate agent, architect, artist, antiques dealer, ecologist, historian, professor, man in the street, yes, even chicken farmers, egg suppliers and vegetarians: "What came first, the chicken or the egg?" and the answer is: "No idea".
Tell them you're trying to work it out and they tell you: "You're wasting my time, and yours". Some might even think you're crazy and you should be locked up. Now ain't that funny, everyone claims to have answers for anything and everything, but not a single one has an answer for this very simple question. Of course I don't either, that is why I'm asking this question to any one of all those people who know all about Life and use that "authority" to force their own "eggs" down everyone's throat.
So what's the point wrecking your brain over something nobody can answer and I dare add: "Never will...?
Well, simple: We, the human race, know absolutely nothing. Yeah sure, we know how to add 2+2, do mathematics, count money, construct obscene corporate city skylines, even metal monsters to dig up soil, bulldoze forests, fly in the air, we can build dams and divert rivers, drill hundreds of meters under ground, into the ocean floor, blow up mountains with dynamite, build trucks, trains and cargo ships to move things back and forth from one place to another and back to the first place, etcetera, etcetera, even make bullets, bombs and missiles to kill, maim, destroy people, wildlife, anything that's not convenient.
There's no limit to what we can do, except explain the simple egg - the simple egg which not only holds the secret to a pending miracle, but provides food for everything from animals to people, as eggs come in abundant quantities to provide both new Life as well as Earth population sustainability - there's chicken eggs, duck eggs, in fact all birds lay eggs, as well as fish, crocodiles, snakes, ants and even micro organisms that work 24/7 to provide the rich top soil for growth that we so relentlessly move away to dig up gold, metal, coal, and build concrete monstrosities on that are going to come down again after their limited life due date.
Yes, the humble egg not only comes in its perfectly engineered shape and contents, it falls of trees by the millions every day in the shape of nuts of all kinds, some to produce new shade shrubs and canopy trees, some for the birds and critters who out of gratitude distribute them over a big wide area, and what is left is for the micro workers in the ground who tirelessly chew it and grind it into a rich soil where all those things start thriving like: vegetables, fruit, medicines, beautiful flowers for the bees so you can have honey on your bread while you gaze at the magic colour schemes from your cane chair on your front porch. All this industrious activity ensures that all the magic continues to get better and better, so that Life on Earth gets better and better for everyone concerned.
But hey! Hang on a minute! "We're not like them" - meaning that we have brains that can make it all work much better, all we need to do is dig a bit here and there, grind it to bits and pieces, see what it's made of and mix it up with one thing or other, then we sit back and watch what happens, if it looks good, we can mass produce it to make everyone's life easier. If it doesn't, well that's life for some and the end for the unlucky guinea pigs - there's plenty, they breed like rabbits anyway. Some people even predicted a few hundred years ahead that we could fly, as has now been proven to be correct. And fly we do, from London to Paris, to Rome, Washington, Tel Aviv, Moscow, Beijing, Tokyo, not always successful, but we're all having a great time... well... almost all, some of us are plowing up the top soil and sow it full of chemicals to produce the fuel to keep the others flying... both, the bodies and the machines.
Then there's God. Yes, God, the Creator of Life of whom we all know everything, except how he, she, or it, made the egg - or was it the chicken. Well, how about we all have our own God, then we can have more diversity and study groups that can all work on the problem in their own findings, write it all down and then dispose of all these groups one by one, until the one who's got all the answers emerges as the winner... just like the more subtle corporate system. Then we make pyramid style hierarchies with layers of underdogs over underdogs and we all kneel to the almighty up the top, who knows everything... except who came first, the chicken or the egg.
Wouldn't it be nice... for humanity, animals, the ecosystem, environment the fresh air and the clean rivers if we all admitted that we're not God, we don't know who or what God is... unless we can answer that simple question: "What came first, the chicken or the egg". Until then, the only feasible option we have is to accept the miracle we cannot explain, get on with educating each other not to breed like rabbits and destroy each other and our Planet in the process, live and work cooperatively towards a Life where everyone can dance to the rhythm, smell the scent of the forests and flowers, breathe the fresh air and let the chickens lay their eggs in a cruelty free environment and without chemicals and genetic modification, pretty much as everything else, like it was designed in the first place.
Bob Oort, October 7, 2010
Bob Oort the egg and the chicken arise mutually. They are not separate or the same.
@@marcpelletier1366 :
" . . . not separate or the same ."
*Ay Sir* ❗️
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ImaGo- Ry vb
37:00 cake analogy and 45:00 - there is nothing marvelous about you...awesome!
I like George Carlins take on it "What's so great about humans?! No chicken ever made a nuclear Bomb"
he is preaching about covid19 at the beginning.... enlightenment
best of all
U. G is evergreen 🙏🌺🙏🌺🙏
These people r envious of UG'S way of existing. They r all seeking,wanting life with only pleasure, satisfaction and no pain.This man has understood and axcepted his nothingness and his audience expect to have his experience. There's no teaching from UG.All we know is what we were taught by whatever culture we were born into.Then by interacting with other cultures we share intel.Every life form has a unique life experience. Why so many different forms of religion? There exist an intelligent force we call life.It create the body,it is with the body,it guides this body,it provides for this body, it protects the body,heals the body and recycles the body. We have to understand and accept we cannot visit nature.We r nature.I am grateful for hearing this man's way of interacting.
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He constantly tries to criticize jk
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I m finding it's interesting just to listen him
That's listing os giving me tremendous joy