This is what I was afraid of when I saw Rexlent bring up the localization issue. So many parts were missed and the story has strayed a bit from the CN script which I believe is the original one. I'll give a small example. 21:49 In the CN and JP texts, the Shorekeeper says that she is a vessel for holding the emotions and memories of the Lament victims before they get uploaded to Tethys. That's how she knows about the Lament, even though she's never witnessed it. Then, in the part where they go to Guixu city in the past, it's explained that the city lured out the Lament by trying to achieve resonance. That's why one of the NPC ghosts seems to blame themselves, saying it's all their fault for foolishly trying to defy the heavens or something like that. And there's so much more 😅
THATS ACTUALLY CRAZY - the first one i kinda just figured thats how it all worked and didnt really need to explain that in my video but the part about guixu trying to lure out the lament does make sense since they did kinda of treat that city as a reference to like the tower of babylon with humanity trying to reach the heavens (via spacetravel in this case) - at least thats what the localization said
@@OofieTVThat's right. From what I read those folks from guixu are trying to open a gate to another dimension and that's what attracted lament. It seems like lament is kind of a safeguard against overly advanced civilizations
I see alot of people either miss out or dont put the pieces together about the necro star and the system malfunction. It's not a plot hole, and it makes tethys even more terrifying. Basically, tethys will monitor and predict small laments and purposefully delay and / or incorrectly inform black shores so they dont have enough time to truly save the people in the area. It does this so it can obtain a new necrostar to study. The ports citys necrostar is just the newest in its collection to study. The malfunction comes from the system making the necro star its core, but it didn't have all the data it needed to fully start the process, so it was trying to make an incomplete data set its core causing the malfunction. What we uploaded to the tethys system was the last part of the incomplete data it needed.
Holy shit I had no idea tethys purposefully chose not to save certain laments in order to let it occur and study it. Can you point me to the scene where this was revealed? All the jargon terms we got introduced to in this patch was too much for my brain so I wanna revisit the scene where this was revealed again. Also, if the tethys malfunction was caused by an incomplete data, shouldn't the malfunction stop when we uploaded Hoda's data into tethys which completes the data? Instead, what happened was the Tethys became more corrupted and the corruption grew worse spreading across the black shores.
@@erluq9309 It wasn't revealed or outright said, it's the part where you think about what Tethys says and deduct it. Tethys said to you in game that sacrifices are needed if it means it is for the greater good, saving humanity. Tethys if needed would let people die, because in exchange it gets data with the Necrostar and that has to be changed periodically. Tethys will let a lament happen, since it doesn't directly contradicts saving humanity, it's just a sacrifice to reach the goal.
@@ofanahtstrashcan2782 Bruh, if it’s not specified then you shouldn’t go around saying that as if it’s a fact. When they say “sacrifice”, they meant the souls trapped in the lament unable to be freed. That is 100% confirmed and that is the only thing we should follow. Anything else is just a theory
@@erluq9309 Well, get used to not getting every small (plotwise irrelevant) information forced down your throat like a goose because it will happen again later on, a lot, because that's just how scifi is. Just because something isn't outright said doesn't mean it's not true. More so when not one, but two of us breaks down how Tethys as a computer without feelings, following a simple master rule gets to a certain conclusion. Word to word, what Tethys says is "Individual sacrifices are inconsequental in the broader context of the common good." referring to the sacrifices stuck in eternal hell inside the Necrostar, but also to how Rover or Shorekeeper would also turn into a sacrifice for the greater good, becoming a core. Then after that, the next something will turn into a sacrifice for the greater good, even if it means destroying a city completely again. Because humanity and civilization survives without them, but their sacrifice is "needed". We are talking about an emotionless machine that follows a simple master rule of "making sure humanity survives" and if it determines that x or y sacrifice is necessary, then it is necessary, it wouldn't think it over if it's actually needed or not, that's its ultimate conclusion and follows through. Also nice Death Gun pfp.
@@erluq9309 How do you know that for a fact? Tethys didn't specifically say that the souls (Hoda and others in Guixu) needed to be there as sacrifices. If you extend out what OP was saying about misinforming so that it can gather more data for the lament predictions as a way to save more, that is killing real people and trapping them in laments as they did to Hoda. So how the hell do you know that what Tethys is saying is specifically talking about the ones trapped in the lament and not broader scarifies of humanity as a whole? IN FACT literally Tethy's says "Objection. **All sacrifices are necessary**." This could be either Hoda and everyone trapped OR anyone else in future calculations; as long as tethys can overall keep humanity surviving. The "individual sacrifices are inconsequential in the broader context of the common good" quote are also not talking about who's trapped since literally we respond knowing Tethys is talking about Shorekeeper. Now unless I missed a part, maybe before you meet Tethys face to face, literally what you're proposing right here is also not confirmed. It's all up to how we want to interpret it and neither is necessarily wrong.
The best video on wuwas story that I could find. Very detailed, easy to understand and very well put explanations and interpretations. Thank you so much, Oofie, amazing job!
Really enjoy these kinds of videos, when playing through myself I usually get enough of the story to understand generally what is going on. But these help me get it on a deeper level and help drill the story into my head more
I think the SK having human emotions is necessary which is why it was integrated into her. She's Tethys' core and Tethys rely on emotions for the calculations. If anything, the love she's feeling is, imo, artificial or a data she collected from humans and since she's not human, she's confused because of the emotions she feels.
It feels like the Tethsys system is using the Necrostar as the main OS, but later tried to use SK or Rover as the main OS Where SK was previously just a backup hdd to assist the system.
Brother the textures loading up and Shorekeeper shose are the bain of my existance in this patch As an Edit: I think Devs tried to find a good middle point in narrative for people that read but are not invested, lore geeks and people that dont care about the story and they ended up with this super-condensed-quite-qick-but-deep-story that could really use more exploring. Coz if Kuro wanted to take some more time to flesh out some narrative point or even explore more philosophical aspects of the story ,its almost certain that we would have people crying that patch is a "yap fest", "no enough action", "dont care about the story, why so long?", "Devs cant write, story is stupid", "I would write a better story", "plot is to convoluted", " me not understand, why Devs cant say the plot point to my face", "Shorekeeper is Alphabet ideology coated, "they ruined Shorekeeper coz she has (potential) feeling for MaLe Rover". A minus of devs that really try to listen to all of their community, instead they get muddled by bad actors disguised and fans of the game.
100% AGREE ~ even tho people are saying the story was bad cuz it was alot of jargon thrown around but I think if anything was changed or explained out more people would be saying its a yapfest and bad story.
@@OofieTV the funnier part is that some CC still talk about the story is bunch of yapfest. Idk if make a 2D cutscene like they did for geshulin and jiyan for loretell will make any better :/
@@OofieTV As someone who didn’t mind the ‘yapfest’ others were complaining about (it’s sci-fi you should expect world building people), I found 1.3 confusing to follow and the ending unsatisfying due to the solution seeming to pulled out of nowhere. Since this is sci-fi and a world with its own unique terms, the players need time to absorb them. I just felt that I didn’t get that time with this patch, and I think it’s bad storytelling to have to find a bunch of supplementary material to understand it. Your video helped me have a better appreciation of the story, I just wish the actual experience of playing through it was better 😩
the thing is the story is show trough Rover sight, but Rover has no memories, so everything about the back story is given through fragments like dialogues, documents, flashbacks, etc.... so its a lot to keep track, specially because its a game so u always doing different stuff in between, so the story give lot of information to the player connect the dots which i believe is one of the main reasons why lot of people dindt get the whole story plot as they missed lot of the information given as they are not obviuos or dindt make sense at the time, so they end up with a superficial understanding of the story which is the "love story"
That’s why you don’t cater to all kind of players. You should choose which group you are going to cater. Like soulborne games. I’m 100% a certain group of gacha players would have a heart attack because there’s no hand holding in soulborne games or armored core 6( Good luck finding clues about the lore despite you getting threw to never ending mech battle without Paimon explain the lore to you)
I thought the same thing. I went back to check and SK says she is the core computational unit, and the necrostar was part of the core logic unit. idk enough about to computers to know if there is a difference, but i guess there is
@@RangersHLBest way to understand what's going on is knowing that Shorekeeper is basically the operating system software, and Tethys System is the hardware (the physical computer). Due to Shorekeeper being made of Sonoro Spheres, she also has a physical form that can be considered hardware as well. Basically what the Tethys System was attempting to do is make Shorekeeper both digitally, and physically it's core.
Even in her voicelines about her birth, its said she was a crystal with the purpose of being tethys core before rover's arrival. Im sure when rover found both her and tethys, they learned about this and were against it, especially after she gained a form and "soul". Using a necrostar as a core is probably just a temporary solution they found. That's why they left black shores to find another way, as said by shorekeeper.
I thought of the whole thing with Shorekeeper's replacement from being the core of the Tethys system, as kind of a cliffhanger. I'm not sure if this is wrong of me, but since Camellya is coming in 1.4, I kind of assume that the story would continue in the Black Shores and further explain upon that replacement. They also hinted at Abby possibly having something to do with it, due to Rover's tacet mark starting to glow as they were saving Shorekeeper, as well as the mention of Abby being "unusually quiet these days" (or whatever exactly was said). Therefore, I didn't really mind it not being clearly explained currently. I do agree that there was a bunch of confusing and complicated things going on in this story, but it's fun trying to learn more about the lore, trying to piece things together. Usually I'm not that interested in the stories and lore of games, but I'm a huge fan of NieR Automata and I absolutely loved the story for this patch. Great video! I wanted to learn more about the story of this patch and the lore of Wuthering Waves, which this video definitely helped with! 😄
I kinda think it would have been better if they just ended the quest right after you saved SK and left the replacement core as a cliffhanger. the two days later thing while only hinting at abby left a lot of people underwhelmed that they just magically found a replacement core
the new core is Dreamless, the one Abby absorbed and stabilize within him. if you pay attention to the previous Illusive Realm lore bits, it is stated there that Dreamless can feel emotions which you need for a Tethys Core, Abby being "unusually quiet" means his back to hungry state like 1.0 beginning hence Shorekeeper's remark "hungering for something" just another example of show don't tell
also Camellya story will probably be related to Rinacita or gonna be hinting at it, Shorekeeper hinted at Rinacita having beautiful flowers, Camellya loves flowers and Rinacita will probably her hometown.
@@jyuegaol I saw people pointing that out, but Shorekeeper said something about the frequency replacing the core being ”harmonious and mild”. Does that really fit Dreamless?
@@RezetGraphics the theory is Dreamless stabilize in Abby making it harmonious and mild or Abby made it so given he have total control of Dreamless once he absorb her
Thank you for the fully fleshed out lore! Just watched all of WuWa lore from launch to now. Appreciate the attention to detail and theories postulated!
Great breakdown. My impression was that SK's arc represented what it meant when an object "processes emotions" as if to say, what really are "humans" besides collections of material and data that have the ability to process that data leading to emotions, feelings, desire, and will. I really enjoyed the story's method of somewhat mechanizing humanity instead of humanizing a machine. I think/hope it will lead to interesting moral questions about the lament, TDs, Threnodians etc. as well. As they also are material with the ability to process emotions. It was hinted at in 1.0 when the small TDs are mimicking the emotions of the people that died there. It's presumed at the time that they are not actually "feeling" those emotions, but the same assumption was given to SK. Very interesting potential they've set up.
YES IM SO GLAD YOU SEE IT LIKE THIS TOO - during the first quests it def seems like the TDs are using the frequencies to mimic humans to be more like us even tho they cant feel. and the fractsidus experimenting by fusing humans and TDs could be making TDs that CAN feel - pushing human evolution to become TDs - no humans means no lament lololol
@@OofieTV Yeah I'm giggly with anticipation too. I love sci-fi stories like this where you can understand the mechanisms even though it's clearly pseudoscience. It's immersive and thought provoking.
@@OofieTV I forgot where I've read this in game, but I believe there's something about Rinascita being a region inhabited by 'sentient' TDs... Given that there is one character who has his own personal TD (Calcharo), which iirc is actually his brother, I can confidently say at least that the story will eventually introduce us to 'human' Tacet Discords. Imagine a fully playable TD as a gacha character lol
The Tethys system sorta reminds me of meteorology, and considering lement events tend to trap in souls mayhaps that's why it needs an emotional core since naturally the lement has human frequencies flowing through it. Just spit balling,7:38 rn in the video as I type this.
Wow, this video was so good This way of reinterpretation is so cool, and not many people pointed out, but hearing it from you makes a lot of sense Great vid!
My little head canon for 1.3 story: Rover set up the black shores and Tethys to protect humans. Basically setting humans up "not to lose" first and this is why Rover left looking for ways to win afterwards, leaving Shorekeeper and the Black Shores. It might also tie into leaving the "being" that was Shorekeeper to learn from humans about emotions, knowing (and Shorekeeper knows this too) it will replace the core system of Tethys once Shorekeeper experienced and learned all these emotions. At this point it was probably easier to leave someone/-thing incomplete/with little human emotions or traits. The Resonator Showcase kind of implies Shorekeeper learns and admires Rover (much more) after learning about emotions and her role and purpose. Now this "incarnation" of Rover is set out to save humanity, not humans. And Rover is not willing to sacrifice someone that has become humane to win against the Lament. Saving Hoda and Shorekeeper. Far fetched, didn't read all Shorekeeper lore in the game, just some rando trying to make sense of it :D
i actually think this has some merit- if past incarnation of rover left black shores to find a real solution it would make sense for her to set up shorekeeper to be the backup core if she coulnt find anything better and thats prob why she wanted her next incarnation to lose memories so she wouldnt get too attached to shorekeeper lol
If Tethys is heavily influenced by frequencies/human emotions for its core, then it makes sense for Shorekeeper to learn human and understand emotions as Rover said. That way it is not only logical but also becomes empathetic.
Subscribed to your channel as someone who loves the lore! There are a few things that stood out to me regarding the story: - We know that it predates the big Lament that happened before the current timeline of WuWa. - If the Tethys System just calculates/predicts/warns future laments from past experiences, is the problem seen in the story caused by the human emotions/suffering retained from the sonoro spheres themselves or does its role already include coldness/apathy for human lives without the core? The former would mean that the core (necrostar in this case) only amplified/added futher its cold calculating nature for survival because of human suffering. The latter would be bad since it means Tethys itself calculates solely for future survival consequences be damned. - It's not the first time KuroGames used supercomputers and moral dilemmas in their storytelling (Hello Gestalt from PGR). Tethys stood out to me more because the decision making process on what to do with the disasters was also up to it, not the Black Shores personnel. The afterstory eventually reversed the process. - There are a few notes you can look at before going to the necrostar. One of the notes came from a researcher that helped create Shorekeeper stating that her having human emotions will eventually hinder the Tethys system's calculations. Rover didn't agree to that. - It feels like Abby absorbed the frequencies and couldn't process/understand it hence the silence after 2 days. It wouldn't make sense for her to be the substitute core since it would make a lot of lore problems down the line. It's hard to understand the story at face value which is for many people why the story flopped. Others blamed it on shorekeeper but ultimately didn't understand her role and only saw her as a "rover simp". At least you explained Shorekeeper's character well! I like that a lot! There are also chapters in Punishing Gray Raven (Kuro's other game) that didn't make sense at first but eventually tied up loose ends in succeeding chapters. I feel like 1.4 will build more on the worldbuilding since Camellya is also from the Black Shores (hopefully.)
I just don't understand the reason as to why Shorekeeper hasn't changed the core before. Was she not strong enough to go against the Tethys? If so, why didn't she say anything about the third possible core as soon as we started to deal with it? It felt like they pulled it out of nowhere at the end of the quest. Also, I don't really undestand why emotions are required for the system's functions to properly work. Someone on the comment section compared it to a meteorological machine that predicts climate changes and weather, but if we follow that path - just to process things better - wouldn't the information from simulations and frequencies out of the Lament be all it needs? Why emotions? It doesn't make sense to me. Is it because human emotions influence the lament? (I'm not sure if that is true). Anyway, coming back to the main topic I also want to know the motive for the harmonical waves to not be used before. Great video, thanks a lot.
If i remember correctly, its mentioned in the first story arc in 1.0 that the lament can take the form of the emotions of humans. I think the Dreamless boss is a manifestation of human feelings caused by war. My memory is a bit hazey tho so i might be wrong.
Are you talking about the lament core at the end? That has been bugging me for awhile now too, and my only answer that I can think of on my own is that this was always an option. But the reason Shorekeeper didn't do this was because her prime directive was to essentially become the core, and was probably the most efficient and continuously effective thing. I think Shorekeeper knew there was this option, but wasn't sure how to handle it as she was created for a purpose and it was conflicted with her newly emerging emotions, and it could be why she lied. She wanted to deal with these emotions by pig headedly forcing her "fate" knowing that there would be another plan. Also emphasis on "continuity", since I think that's what Tethys was aiming for. It's what she says when she's formatting Shorekeeper. Without either Shore or Rover abiding by Tethys, it just defaulted to its "master command" which was finding the closest lament like data within it's sets. All just theory and what I think from what I understand though, and what makes sense in my mind. There's still SOoooo many questions though. Like will this even be a stable solution, because I really feel like it won't.
Thanks for the video! It's interesting hearing someone elses breakdown of 1.3 because I'm seeing a lot of people confused or extrapolating different things at certain parts. The quest is definitely a bit more complicated to piece together because of how much sci-fi space stuff is used in tandem with like computer...? Stuff?
may be it's just temporary solution , like she said " fix broken machine " . And tethys sys will be break and fixed again in future , that is call mobius cycle loop ? Only way out for the loop is SK be come the core and then tethys sys become perfect , no more break and can do more thing than just forecast the lament . All info already in the video ....
thanks for this breakdown 🙏 the constant "shorekeeper is rover simp" "rover is shorekeeper simp" "shorekeeper found a core at last second all of the sudden is pointless" complains make me think I read too much into it or misinterpret the story
Thank you very much, nice explanations. 1.3 story has amazing substance, with philosophy, Tethys System, Black Shores, Rover, even Shorekeeper... Sad that they didn't give the story time to unfold, with proper build up, pacing and all. Shorekeeper seemed just a mess of a character to me. Now I see more to it, but cinema they cooked, although great, was very much just like a romance and a one coming out of nowhere, very weird, even worse with short Yangyang appearance... Hope they will be doing better, cause clearly they can, both in creating substance and a great cinema, they just should stop rushing with story like crazy, zamn.
Does the game say HOW rover managed to get things to run off harmonious frequencies? I know that it became a thing but I can't for the life of me remember how they achieved that
As someome that skips all cut scenes, so I can more rapidly get to killing stuff: this is exactly the video I was looking for, and it didn't disappoint. Great job
Male Rover fans are left crying in the corner lol. Both WuWa and even fan theory videos all have female Rover as the "canon" one. Give poor male Rover some recognition, he's cool too. 😂
Ikr, while I appriciate female rover and will switch to it for general play and companion quests involving some characters when they allow switching, Im so glad I played this particular questline as male Rover and couldn't imagine playing it as female.
I believe its more likely that Rover is an immortal being, or at least one that has incredibly long lifespan, that being reincarnated. Reincarnation means losing your original body, yet in all the flashbacks we see Rover with the same body (and even clothes, yuck, do they even wash them). Also, it was suuuuuuper convenient that a replacement core was found off screen while Rover and SK were napping. As if there was always an easy solution, not an optimal one, but still a solution out there, and the Black Shores couldn't be bothered. Finally, we keep referring to the Tethys system as a supercomputer... well, every computer, super or not, must have an off switch. I can't believe Rover never thought that a Power button would be important if Tethys ever malfunctioned as it did. Just turn the system off, program "do NOT use SK, Rover, or any human life or soul as your source" and then reboot. Or sth, I'm not a computer expert or anything...
heree weeee go. okay, the tethys system was an AI created by a specific group who has not been named, and Rover in his past before his memories were erased basically got it from them. the Rover also created a shell/cocoon for the remnant energy needed for shorekeeper, he didn't create her. tethys is basically running a simulated universe on completely different laws of physics, and thus, weird shii can happen. essentially though, the people who created tethys must have wanted Rover to fail, as Tethys had been letting laments happen, capturing the data, and using it as reference points. it's also been using shorekeepers actual body as a storage device for their memories before tethys absorption. so far, the necrostar is basically a miniature simulated universe of the guixu lament disaster, and a bunch of dead people are trapped inside it. Tehtys' core is essentially 'the core' becase that's where all the computing power comes from. how did rover get in you ask? resonance abilities being able to resonate with the fabric of reality and shii, i'm not too sure how. reminder, the scientists were essentially working overtime on fixing the necrostar, and by fixing the necrostar, they figured out how to fix tethys' faulty logic function. and uhhh, hw did they get out? simple. rover seems to be able to create remote sonoro spheres (basically isolated domain expansions) like changli quest's fractsidus trap. essentially, getting out of the tehtys core was get in, get shorekeeper, get to the sonoro sphere. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
I wonder why shorekeeper Or camellya Or anyone in blackshores couldnt do that? I meam couldn't remove necrostar from tethys. Also I wonder when this port is destroyed and how come this issue happened only after we entered blackshores 🤕. According to story necrostar is absorved when the lament destroyed the port. And that must have happened long back. It's confusing what heppened when and why those red blocks(negative frequemcies I believe) leaked.
I'm baffled you referred to Camellia as "them" but for Rover that can be either male or female you use "she". Now I'm actually more surprised you didn't call the shore keeper "he"
its possible shes older than jue but we dont know bout the other ones! i think when we "awakened at the black shores" the last time, it was over hundreds of years ago
@@OofieTV ye. but there is no word about rover being reincarnation of past rover in main story. They can be just the same rover as in the past but without memories
@@PepperminTeaMeow I kinda second this. Reincarnation involves losing their current life and body or losing their physical being. All Rover has lost is memories, this is more of time skipping or being lost in a void. On top of that Rover's appearance is consistent throughout flash backs and current time.
Personally i can follow the story in a general sense but i cant explain tge intricasies without confusing myself… delivery of lore was so-so and Wuwa need to improve on that…i felt this storyline should’ve been done in 2 part patches i.e 1.3 and 1.4…since we’re introducing Camellya anyways…not enough time to flesh out entire solution of the whole Gravity thing and if Abby was involved in Tethy’s fix
Hey, you made a little mistake in this lore video. You keep referring to her as "Shorekeeper" instead of what she really is, "wife". Please make that correction going forward 😉😂. If it's not obvious, this was a joke.
Nice explanation but since Rover gender are up to players, if you making a lore video like this should keep it neutral to call Rover just Rover or The Rover instead of him/ her. Its a better immersion for everyone, hope this help
i tried my best to just say "rover" but it gets reduntant if im saying a sentance and say like "Rover did this and then rover this and rover decided this for rover" lol but i will try harder next time!
Loved the music, loved the visuals, the idea behind the story was also good, but the narrative was quite poor imo, everything is rushed, story is burried under avalanch of pseudo scientific jargon and random wordsoup and since it doesnt do well at selling the stakes or emotions for me, all of it seemed just illogical and forced. I get wanting to save Shorkeeper, I do, but seriously, doing that while destroying the computer that keeps this civilization alive without any apparent alternative? A computer that just gets randomly fixed of screen and its handwaved with one sentence, its one of those ill thought out power of friendship and "morality" over logic and worldbuilding setups, classic "and then MC came and fixed it all somehow"... no thank you, this is both stupid and incredibly contrived. I really like Wuwa and its world, I am super into the worldbuilding and its lore but while I appreciate some of the reveals, this really isnt the way for me. A better written and put together story could have pulled this off, no doubt, I never imagined Shorekeeper would be left behind, but it really should have been done better, Rover comes across as both incredibly idiotic and insufferable knowitall that can fix anything and everything while disrespecting all the time and sacrifice already spent because it all apparantely had a very easy solution. It also kinda flies in the face of the entire rest of the game, where the world has been and continues to be ravaged by the lament, sacrficies are neccessary, so are compromises, you cant save everyone, this seemed to be known by the people of this world and Rover, but now we of course get this random word like remodulation, or whatever it was which just fixes things with barely any explanation or setup. Honestly the "breaking of the cycle" you speak of, couldnt be more bs, it was always there out of neccessity not because people didnt have the same values. Also the whole moral and ethical issues with this are incredibly ill explained, the people we meet are dead, these are essentially imprints on the recreation of what happened via data, ones and zeroes, I am sorry but if keeping these imaginary people in perpetual "suffering" can prevent real people and real world from being destroyed, its not even a debate. Damn honestly the more I listened to you explaine the story the more I dislike it :D Its just so contrived and surface level. Dont get me wrong, I like the video and please make more, this is a great dive and I really like all the details you inserted, its just that I honestly think the story of this patch is plain bad, from the concept to its execution. Tho I really do like how you just say she when refering to your Rover, my Rover is a guy but it just makes listening to the story retelling a lot more palatable, I generally dislike it when they is used for Rover as it makes some sentences sound really weird and after all your are telling this from your point of view, so it only makes sense. Very dissapointed in this one after the stellar 1.1 (which was quite similar to this, just better written) and the down to earth and enjoyable 1.2. This felt like 1.0 writing again.
not a fan of the ending. the new core that replaced shore keeper seems to come at a really convenient time. Having Abby to solve all problems is quite weak. especially the same thing happened during the main story. i hope this "Abby the savior" ending won't happen quite often. it's undermining the importance of other characters and MC's part in the story
The new core is basically just a bootleg version of the old core which will results in the great decrease of both efficiency and accuracy (just imagine you replace your high end gaming pc with a 10 years old one with outdated hardwares). Therefore, this is not a solution, but a temporary counter measure. This maybe fine on short term, but on long terms, the consequences will be detrimental. I have been quite busy lately so I haven’t been able to explore much of the map yet but someone told me that around the blackshore map, you can find blackshore members talking about this topic.
@HH-kr4fv i don't know about the quality of the new core. But it still doesn't fix the issue with the story. The MC always tries to jump into action first without thinking about how to solve it properly. Luckily, abby is there all the time and, for some reason, can solve all the problems. Which is a lazy way of creating an ending. And diminish the reason shorekeeper sacrifices herself in the first place. If shorekeeper doesn't save the MC, abby is still there to help in the end.
@@vantom9106 it’s still not clear whether Abby has anything to do with the core or not. At the end, they still replace the core with another safer core and it’s not the necrostar itself (it has nothing to do with Abby) What Rover did was basically prioritizing the well beings of his loved ones over the world. Who could blame him, everyone would also prioritize the safety of their loved one rather than strangers on the other side of the planet. Rover in the past also did the same thing, SK was originally intended to be the Core of the Tethys system, Rover didn’t want that so he chose a much more dangerous solution which is the necrostar of Guixu.
@HH-kr4fv that's not quite right. In the past, Rover left black shore to find the solution to stop using necrostar because he knew that either the MC or shorekeeper needed to become core to replace necrostar and still allow tethys to predict the upcoming lament, but MC disappeared. MC came back and did the exact opposite. Also MC is the main option for core and not shorekeeper. Shorekeeper lacked human emotion needed by tethys to predict lament at that time. And when you said it's not abby that replace the core. It's even worse ending. So if tethys can replace the core to begin with, why bother having necrostar or sacrifice? People used abby to justify the ending. That's also what this video is talking about.
@@vantom9106 SK already said that the solution of using her as the core wasn’t accepted by the past Rover. That’s why Rover was desperated to find another solution but he has yet to find one. SK sacrificed herself because she doesn’t want Rover to stuck in the unending loops of finding the solution and fail. Worst case scenario Rover would offer to sacrificed himself so that others would live. The reason why Ppl doesn’t use the bootleg core in the first place is because it sucks. It’s never a solution in the first place. With the bootleg core the Tethys can’t function effectively .Ppl can’t predict the next Lament anymore. Even if they can still predict the next Lament, it would be much less accurate and slower. The old Tethys was able to successfully predict over 300000 Laments over the past 10000 years. The new one can’t do it anymore.
hey um just a lil opinion, when u talk about sad stuff in the lore u adopt that sad shattered like voice, but u keep it for way too long its irritating, for me at least
I'm glad wuwa adding skip button in story , God Genshin could never , wuwa story is boring ai could sleep if they don't have skip thanks kuro Genshin could never
Sorry its a little yappy, it gets better towards the end 😅 i just wanted this out as soon as possible for everyone whos been asking for it!
very good video! I enjoyed it so much. Very well edited, narrated and explained. Please keep it up! 👏👏
also you have a pretty good voice :))
The piano is symbolic, since its an instrument that was crafted similar to logic circuits yet its created to brought out emotion.
This is what I was afraid of when I saw Rexlent bring up the localization issue. So many parts were missed and the story has strayed a bit from the CN script which I believe is the original one. I'll give a small example. 21:49 In the CN and JP texts, the Shorekeeper says that she is a vessel for holding the emotions and memories of the Lament victims before they get uploaded to Tethys. That's how she knows about the Lament, even though she's never witnessed it. Then, in the part where they go to Guixu city in the past, it's explained that the city lured out the Lament by trying to achieve resonance. That's why one of the NPC ghosts seems to blame themselves, saying it's all their fault for foolishly trying to defy the heavens or something like that. And there's so much more 😅
THATS ACTUALLY CRAZY - the first one i kinda just figured thats how it all worked and didnt really need to explain that in my video but the part about guixu trying to lure out the lament does make sense since they did kinda of treat that city as a reference to like the tower of babylon with humanity trying to reach the heavens (via spacetravel in this case) - at least thats what the localization said
@@OofieTVThat's right. From what I read those folks from guixu are trying to open a gate to another dimension and that's what attracted lament. It seems like lament is kind of a safeguard against overly advanced civilizations
@@acircle1542 "OMG ITS THE PUNISHING VIRUS THEN" -PGR players
@@shian4803 ITS CONNECTED THE WATCHERS ARE WATCHING
@@shian4803”Welcome to civilization filtering gang”
-Punishing Virus and Chaos Contamination
I see alot of people either miss out or dont put the pieces together about the necro star and the system malfunction. It's not a plot hole, and it makes tethys even more terrifying. Basically, tethys will monitor and predict small laments and purposefully delay and / or incorrectly inform black shores so they dont have enough time to truly save the people in the area. It does this so it can obtain a new necrostar to study. The ports citys necrostar is just the newest in its collection to study. The malfunction comes from the system making the necro star its core, but it didn't have all the data it needed to fully start the process, so it was trying to make an incomplete data set its core causing the malfunction. What we uploaded to the tethys system was the last part of the incomplete data it needed.
Holy shit I had no idea tethys purposefully chose not to save certain laments in order to let it occur and study it. Can you point me to the scene where this was revealed? All the jargon terms we got introduced to in this patch was too much for my brain so I wanna revisit the scene where this was revealed again. Also, if the tethys malfunction was caused by an incomplete data, shouldn't the malfunction stop when we uploaded Hoda's data into tethys which completes the data? Instead, what happened was the Tethys became more corrupted and the corruption grew worse spreading across the black shores.
@@erluq9309 It wasn't revealed or outright said, it's the part where you think about what Tethys says and deduct it. Tethys said to you in game that sacrifices are needed if it means it is for the greater good, saving humanity. Tethys if needed would let people die, because in exchange it gets data with the Necrostar and that has to be changed periodically. Tethys will let a lament happen, since it doesn't directly contradicts saving humanity, it's just a sacrifice to reach the goal.
@@ofanahtstrashcan2782 Bruh, if it’s not specified then you shouldn’t go around saying that as if it’s a fact. When they say “sacrifice”, they meant the souls trapped in the lament unable to be freed. That is 100% confirmed and that is the only thing we should follow. Anything else is just a theory
@@erluq9309 Well, get used to not getting every small (plotwise irrelevant) information forced down your throat like a goose because it will happen again later on, a lot, because that's just how scifi is. Just because something isn't outright said doesn't mean it's not true. More so when not one, but two of us breaks down how Tethys as a computer without feelings, following a simple master rule gets to a certain conclusion.
Word to word, what Tethys says is "Individual sacrifices are inconsequental in the broader context of the common good." referring to the sacrifices stuck in eternal hell inside the Necrostar, but also to how Rover or Shorekeeper would also turn into a sacrifice for the greater good, becoming a core. Then after that, the next something will turn into a sacrifice for the greater good, even if it means destroying a city completely again. Because humanity and civilization survives without them, but their sacrifice is "needed". We are talking about an emotionless machine that follows a simple master rule of "making sure humanity survives" and if it determines that x or y sacrifice is necessary, then it is necessary, it wouldn't think it over if it's actually needed or not, that's its ultimate conclusion and follows through.
Also nice Death Gun pfp.
@@erluq9309 How do you know that for a fact? Tethys didn't specifically say that the souls (Hoda and others in Guixu) needed to be there as sacrifices. If you extend out what OP was saying about misinforming so that it can gather more data for the lament predictions as a way to save more, that is killing real people and trapping them in laments as they did to Hoda. So how the hell do you know that what Tethys is saying is specifically talking about the ones trapped in the lament and not broader scarifies of humanity as a whole? IN FACT literally Tethy's says "Objection. **All sacrifices are necessary**." This could be either Hoda and everyone trapped OR anyone else in future calculations; as long as tethys can overall keep humanity surviving. The "individual sacrifices are inconsequential in the broader context of the common good" quote are also not talking about who's trapped since literally we respond knowing Tethys is talking about Shorekeeper. Now unless I missed a part, maybe before you meet Tethys face to face, literally what you're proposing right here is also not confirmed. It's all up to how we want to interpret it and neither is necessarily wrong.
The best video on wuwas story that I could find. Very detailed, easy to understand and very well put explanations and interpretations.
Thank you so much, Oofie, amazing job!
Really enjoy these kinds of videos, when playing through myself I usually get enough of the story to understand generally what is going on. But these help me get it on a deeper level and help drill the story into my head more
I think the SK having human emotions is necessary which is why it was integrated into her. She's Tethys' core and Tethys rely on emotions for the calculations. If anything, the love she's feeling is, imo, artificial or a data she collected from humans and since she's not human, she's confused because of the emotions she feels.
finally some wuthering lore creator
It feels like the Tethsys system is using the Necrostar as the main OS, but later tried to use SK or Rover as the main OS
Where SK was previously just a backup hdd to assist the system.
Exactly!
Brother the textures loading up and Shorekeeper shose are the bain of my existance in this patch
As an Edit: I think Devs tried to find a good middle point in narrative for people that read but are not invested, lore geeks and people that dont care about the story and they ended up with this super-condensed-quite-qick-but-deep-story that could really use more exploring.
Coz if Kuro wanted to take some more time to flesh out some narrative point or even explore more philosophical aspects of the story ,its almost certain that we would have people crying that patch is a "yap fest", "no enough action", "dont care about the story, why so long?", "Devs cant write, story is stupid", "I would write a better story", "plot is to convoluted", " me not understand, why Devs cant say the plot point to my face", "Shorekeeper is Alphabet ideology coated, "they ruined Shorekeeper coz she has (potential) feeling for MaLe Rover".
A minus of devs that really try to listen to all of their community, instead they get muddled by bad actors disguised and fans of the game.
100% AGREE ~ even tho people are saying the story was bad cuz it was alot of jargon thrown around but I think if anything was changed or explained out more people would be saying its a yapfest and bad story.
@@OofieTV the funnier part is that some CC still talk about the story is bunch of yapfest. Idk if make a 2D cutscene like they did for geshulin and jiyan for loretell will make any better :/
@@OofieTV As someone who didn’t mind the ‘yapfest’ others were complaining about (it’s sci-fi you should expect world building people), I found 1.3 confusing to follow and the ending unsatisfying due to the solution seeming to pulled out of nowhere. Since this is sci-fi and a world with its own unique terms, the players need time to absorb them. I just felt that I didn’t get that time with this patch, and I think it’s bad storytelling to have to find a bunch of supplementary material to understand it. Your video helped me have a better appreciation of the story, I just wish the actual experience of playing through it was better 😩
the thing is the story is show trough Rover sight, but Rover has no memories, so everything about the back story is given through fragments like dialogues, documents, flashbacks, etc.... so its a lot to keep track, specially because its a game so u always doing different stuff in between, so the story give lot of information to the player connect the dots which i believe is one of the main reasons why lot of people dindt get the whole story plot as they missed lot of the information given as they are not obviuos or dindt make sense at the time, so they end up with a superficial understanding of the story which is the "love story"
That’s why you don’t cater to all kind of players.
You should choose which group you are going to cater. Like soulborne games.
I’m 100% a certain group of gacha players would have a heart attack because there’s no hand holding in soulborne games or armored core 6(
Good luck finding clues about the lore despite you getting threw to never ending mech battle without Paimon explain the lore to you)
I was confused because she said she already WAS a core early on the quest but then she NEEDED to be a core
I thought the same thing. I went back to check and SK says she is the core computational unit, and the necrostar was part of the core logic unit. idk enough about to computers to know if there is a difference, but i guess there is
@@RangersHLBest way to understand what's going on is knowing that Shorekeeper is basically the operating system software, and Tethys System is the hardware (the physical computer). Due to Shorekeeper being made of Sonoro Spheres, she also has a physical form that can be considered hardware as well. Basically what the Tethys System was attempting to do is make Shorekeeper both digitally, and physically it's core.
@1vanDrago thank you, what a wonderful way to put it out
Even in her voicelines about her birth, its said she was a crystal with the purpose of being tethys core before rover's arrival. Im sure when rover found both her and tethys, they learned about this and were against it, especially after she gained a form and "soul". Using a necrostar as a core is probably just a temporary solution they found. That's why they left black shores to find another way, as said by shorekeeper.
Hope you'll continue doing WuWa lore videos. There's barely any CC that does this 😂
I thought of the whole thing with Shorekeeper's replacement from being the core of the Tethys system, as kind of a cliffhanger. I'm not sure if this is wrong of me, but since Camellya is coming in 1.4, I kind of assume that the story would continue in the Black Shores and further explain upon that replacement. They also hinted at Abby possibly having something to do with it, due to Rover's tacet mark starting to glow as they were saving Shorekeeper, as well as the mention of Abby being "unusually quiet these days" (or whatever exactly was said). Therefore, I didn't really mind it not being clearly explained currently. I do agree that there was a bunch of confusing and complicated things going on in this story, but it's fun trying to learn more about the lore, trying to piece things together. Usually I'm not that interested in the stories and lore of games, but I'm a huge fan of NieR Automata and I absolutely loved the story for this patch.
Great video! I wanted to learn more about the story of this patch and the lore of Wuthering Waves, which this video definitely helped with! 😄
I kinda think it would have been better if they just ended the quest right after you saved SK and left the replacement core as a cliffhanger. the two days later thing while only hinting at abby left a lot of people underwhelmed that they just magically found a replacement core
the new core is Dreamless, the one Abby absorbed and stabilize within him. if you pay attention to the previous Illusive Realm lore bits, it is stated there that Dreamless can feel emotions which you need for a Tethys Core, Abby being "unusually quiet" means his back to hungry state like 1.0 beginning hence Shorekeeper's remark "hungering for something" just another example of show don't tell
also Camellya story will probably be related to Rinacita or gonna be hinting at it, Shorekeeper hinted at Rinacita having beautiful flowers, Camellya loves flowers and Rinacita will probably her hometown.
@@jyuegaol I saw people pointing that out, but Shorekeeper said something about the frequency replacing the core being ”harmonious and mild”. Does that really fit Dreamless?
@@RezetGraphics the theory is Dreamless stabilize in Abby making it harmonious and mild or Abby made it so given he have total control of Dreamless once he absorb her
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I'm waiting for this video, thank 🎉
oofie be ike "gonna release the video at the same day as the game patch"
I wanted to spend more time on it to make it REALLY GOOD but I knew there was ALOT of people waiting on it so I got it out ASAP lol
@OofieTV 10,000 years ago, that's a lie unless the lament mess up spacetime
Thank you for the fully fleshed out lore! Just watched all of WuWa lore from launch to now. Appreciate the attention to detail and theories postulated!
Always look forward to these. Thanks Oofie!
First time watching a patch breakdown vid. It was very good, thank you!
I feel like the video is 4 minutes on repeat just like the necrostar
I thought i was the only one bro
Great breakdown. My impression was that SK's arc represented what it meant when an object "processes emotions" as if to say, what really are "humans" besides collections of material and data that have the ability to process that data leading to emotions, feelings, desire, and will. I really enjoyed the story's method of somewhat mechanizing humanity instead of humanizing a machine.
I think/hope it will lead to interesting moral questions about the lament, TDs, Threnodians etc. as well. As they also are material with the ability to process emotions. It was hinted at in 1.0 when the small TDs are mimicking the emotions of the people that died there. It's presumed at the time that they are not actually "feeling" those emotions, but the same assumption was given to SK. Very interesting potential they've set up.
YES IM SO GLAD YOU SEE IT LIKE THIS TOO - during the first quests it def seems like the TDs are using the frequencies to mimic humans to be more like us even tho they cant feel. and the fractsidus experimenting by fusing humans and TDs could be making TDs that CAN feel - pushing human evolution to become TDs - no humans means no lament lololol
@@OofieTV Yeah I'm giggly with anticipation too.
I love sci-fi stories like this where you can understand the mechanisms even though it's clearly pseudoscience. It's immersive and thought provoking.
@@OofieTV I forgot where I've read this in game, but I believe there's something about Rinascita being a region inhabited by 'sentient' TDs...
Given that there is one character who has his own personal TD (Calcharo), which iirc is actually his brother, I can confidently say at least that the story will eventually introduce us to 'human' Tacet Discords. Imagine a fully playable TD as a gacha character lol
@@JustLou08 Yeah, that'd be wild. I hope they really dig in on the "species" of characters. Like Fractsidus hybrids as well.
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...and sexua- :)
You've got yourself a sub, there aren't a lot of Wuwa lore CCs out there so might as well follow them all!
Omg thank you I accidently skipped so many cutscenes, it stopped showing summarys for me too 😮💨
The Tethys system sorta reminds me of meteorology, and considering lement events tend to trap in souls mayhaps that's why it needs an emotional core since naturally the lement has human frequencies flowing through it.
Just spit balling,7:38 rn in the video as I type this.
Wow, this video was so good
This way of reinterpretation is so cool, and not many people pointed out, but hearing it from you makes a lot of sense
Great vid!
My little head canon for 1.3 story:
Rover set up the black shores and Tethys to protect humans. Basically setting humans up "not to lose" first and this is why Rover left looking for ways to win afterwards, leaving Shorekeeper and the Black Shores.
It might also tie into leaving the "being" that was Shorekeeper to learn from humans about emotions, knowing (and Shorekeeper knows this too) it will replace the core system of Tethys once Shorekeeper experienced and learned all these emotions.
At this point it was probably easier to leave someone/-thing incomplete/with little human emotions or traits. The Resonator Showcase kind of implies Shorekeeper learns and admires Rover (much more) after learning about emotions and her role and purpose.
Now this "incarnation" of Rover is set out to save humanity, not humans. And Rover is not willing to sacrifice someone that has become humane to win against the Lament. Saving Hoda and Shorekeeper.
Far fetched, didn't read all Shorekeeper lore in the game, just some rando trying to make sense of it :D
i actually think this has some merit- if past incarnation of rover left black shores to find a real solution it would make sense for her to set up shorekeeper to be the backup core if she coulnt find anything better and thats prob why she wanted her next incarnation to lose memories so she wouldnt get too attached to shorekeeper lol
If Tethys is heavily influenced by frequencies/human emotions for its core, then it makes sense for Shorekeeper to learn human and understand emotions as Rover said. That way it is not only logical but also becomes empathetic.
Subscribed to your channel as someone who loves the lore!
There are a few things that stood out to me regarding the story:
- We know that it predates the big Lament that happened before the current timeline of WuWa.
- If the Tethys System just calculates/predicts/warns future laments from past experiences, is the problem seen in the story caused by the human emotions/suffering retained from the sonoro spheres themselves or does its role already include coldness/apathy for human lives without the core? The former would mean that the core (necrostar in this case) only amplified/added futher its cold calculating nature for survival because of human suffering. The latter would be bad since it means Tethys itself calculates solely for future survival consequences be damned.
- It's not the first time KuroGames used supercomputers and moral dilemmas in their storytelling (Hello Gestalt from PGR). Tethys stood out to me more because the decision making process on what to do with the disasters was also up to it, not the Black Shores personnel. The afterstory eventually reversed the process.
- There are a few notes you can look at before going to the necrostar. One of the notes came from a researcher that helped create Shorekeeper stating that her having human emotions will eventually hinder the Tethys system's calculations. Rover didn't agree to that.
- It feels like Abby absorbed the frequencies and couldn't process/understand it hence the silence after 2 days. It wouldn't make sense for her to be the substitute core since it would make a lot of lore problems down the line.
It's hard to understand the story at face value which is for many people why the story flopped. Others blamed it on shorekeeper but ultimately didn't understand her role and only saw her as a "rover simp". At least you explained Shorekeeper's character well! I like that a lot!
There are also chapters in Punishing Gray Raven (Kuro's other game) that didn't make sense at first but eventually tied up loose ends in succeeding chapters. I feel like 1.4 will build more on the worldbuilding since Camellya is also from the Black Shores (hopefully.)
Excellent video, I love the lore in WuWa and you brought it to light with your easy-to-understand narrative ❤
Very good story and nice breakdown would like to listen for more.
Thank you for the lore video Oofie! And also the comments section for the discussions!
I just don't understand the reason as to why Shorekeeper hasn't changed the core before. Was she not strong enough to go against the Tethys? If so, why didn't she say anything about the third possible core as soon as we started to deal with it? It felt like they pulled it out of nowhere at the end of the quest. Also, I don't really undestand why emotions are required for the system's functions to properly work. Someone on the comment section compared it to a meteorological machine that predicts climate changes and weather, but if we follow that path - just to process things better - wouldn't the information from simulations and frequencies out of the Lament be all it needs? Why emotions? It doesn't make sense to me. Is it because human emotions influence the lament? (I'm not sure if that is true).
Anyway, coming back to the main topic I also want to know the motive for the harmonical waves to not be used before. Great video, thanks a lot.
If i remember correctly, its mentioned in the first story arc in 1.0 that the lament can take the form of the emotions of humans. I think the Dreamless boss is a manifestation of human feelings caused by war. My memory is a bit hazey tho so i might be wrong.
Are you talking about the lament core at the end? That has been bugging me for awhile now too, and my only answer that I can think of on my own is that this was always an option. But the reason Shorekeeper didn't do this was because her prime directive was to essentially become the core, and was probably the most efficient and continuously effective thing. I think Shorekeeper knew there was this option, but wasn't sure how to handle it as she was created for a purpose and it was conflicted with her newly emerging emotions, and it could be why she lied. She wanted to deal with these emotions by pig headedly forcing her "fate" knowing that there would be another plan. Also emphasis on "continuity", since I think that's what Tethys was aiming for. It's what she says when she's formatting Shorekeeper. Without either Shore or Rover abiding by Tethys, it just defaulted to its "master command" which was finding the closest lament like data within it's sets.
All just theory and what I think from what I understand though, and what makes sense in my mind. There's still SOoooo many questions though. Like will this even be a stable solution, because I really feel like it won't.
@@VincentLloydM Makes sense
I usually skips all even the main story. So thank you for this breakdown. I was able to understand ☺️
Thanks for the video! It's interesting hearing someone elses breakdown of 1.3 because I'm seeing a lot of people confused or extrapolating different things at certain parts. The quest is definitely a bit more complicated to piece together because of how much sci-fi space stuff is used in tandem with like computer...? Stuff?
Been waiting for this 🖤👽🤖
Wait if rover can remodulate the system for it to use positive frequency why didn’t he do it before?
may be it's just temporary solution , like she said " fix broken machine " . And tethys sys will be break and fixed again in future , that is call mobius cycle loop ? Only way out for the loop is SK be come the core and then tethys sys become perfect , no more break and can do more thing than just forecast the lament . All info already in the video ....
thanks for this breakdown 🙏 the constant "shorekeeper is rover simp" "rover is shorekeeper simp" "shorekeeper found a core at last second all of the sudden is pointless" complains make me think I read too much into it or misinterpret the story
Thank you very much, nice explanations. 1.3 story has amazing substance, with philosophy, Tethys System, Black Shores, Rover, even Shorekeeper... Sad that they didn't give the story time to unfold, with proper build up, pacing and all. Shorekeeper seemed just a mess of a character to me. Now I see more to it, but cinema they cooked, although great, was very much just like a romance and a one coming out of nowhere, very weird, even worse with short Yangyang appearance... Hope they will be doing better, cause clearly they can, both in creating substance and a great cinema, they just should stop rushing with story like crazy, zamn.
It would be rushed if succeeding chapters didn't expound on it more. Hopefully that is the case.
Thank you!
Does the game say HOW rover managed to get things to run off harmonious frequencies? I know that it became a thing but I can't for the life of me remember how they achieved that
No, its just bs that became possible because Rover is there, its incredibly contrived, love the game but man this story sucked.
thank you for your videos, i was tryung to explain it to newcomers and found out ilm terrible at this lmao
Thanks for the explanation❤
I'm still a bit confused on some parts of this quest, ngl this quest was kinda messy to me >.
As someome that skips all cut scenes, so I can more rapidly get to killing stuff: this is exactly the video I was looking for, and it didn't disappoint. Great job
Male Rover fans are left crying in the corner lol. Both WuWa and even fan theory videos all have female Rover as the "canon" one. Give poor male Rover some recognition, he's cool too. 😂
Ikr, while I appriciate female rover and will switch to it for general play and companion quests involving some characters when they allow switching, Im so glad I played this particular questline as male Rover and couldn't imagine playing it as female.
I believe its more likely that Rover is an immortal being, or at least one that has incredibly long lifespan, that being reincarnated. Reincarnation means losing your original body, yet in all the flashbacks we see Rover with the same body (and even clothes, yuck, do they even wash them).
Also, it was suuuuuuper convenient that a replacement core was found off screen while Rover and SK were napping. As if there was always an easy solution, not an optimal one, but still a solution out there, and the Black Shores couldn't be bothered.
Finally, we keep referring to the Tethys system as a supercomputer... well, every computer, super or not, must have an off switch. I can't believe Rover never thought that a Power button would be important if Tethys ever malfunctioned as it did. Just turn the system off, program "do NOT use SK, Rover, or any human life or soul as your source" and then reboot. Or sth, I'm not a computer expert or anything...
Iam excited what will rover do will he leave black shores again or try to find out memory which leads him to next region ranecita.
heree weeee go. okay, the tethys system was an AI created by a specific group who has not been named, and Rover in his past before his memories were erased basically got it from them. the Rover also created a shell/cocoon for the remnant energy needed for shorekeeper, he didn't create her. tethys is basically running a simulated universe on completely different laws of physics, and thus, weird shii can happen. essentially though, the people who created tethys must have wanted Rover to fail, as Tethys had been letting laments happen, capturing the data, and using it as reference points. it's also been using shorekeepers actual body as a storage device for their memories before tethys absorption. so far, the necrostar is basically a miniature simulated universe of the guixu lament disaster, and a bunch of dead people are trapped inside it. Tehtys' core is essentially 'the core' becase that's where all the computing power comes from. how did rover get in you ask? resonance abilities being able to resonate with the fabric of reality and shii, i'm not too sure how. reminder, the scientists were essentially working overtime on fixing the necrostar, and by fixing the necrostar, they figured out how to fix tethys' faulty logic function. and uhhh, hw did they get out? simple. rover seems to be able to create remote sonoro spheres (basically isolated domain expansions) like changli quest's fractsidus trap. essentially, getting out of the tehtys core was get in, get shorekeeper, get to the sonoro sphere.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Me when I first saw Tacet Mark:
"STIGMA???"
Seele and Luna and other Hi3 players relate right?
I wonder why shorekeeper Or camellya Or anyone in blackshores couldnt do that? I meam couldn't remove necrostar from tethys. Also I wonder when this port is destroyed and how come this issue happened only after we entered blackshores 🤕. According to story necrostar is absorved when the lament destroyed the port. And that must have happened long back. It's confusing what heppened when and why those red blocks(negative frequemcies I believe) leaked.
Now the theder system is less efishent and less acuret in its predictions so the lement is less pridiktibal and more deadly 😊😊😊
I'm baffled you referred to Camellia as "them" but for Rover that can be either male or female you use "she".
Now I'm actually more surprised you didn't call the shore keeper "he"
isnt shorekeeper technically older than the sentinels???
its possible shes older than jue but we dont know bout the other ones! i think when we "awakened at the black shores" the last time, it was over hundreds of years ago
i dont get where u find that this rover is reincornation of past
its stated many times in multiple quests that rover was there before~
@@OofieTV ye. but there is no word about rover being reincarnation of past rover in main story. They can be just the same rover as in the past but without memories
@@PepperminTeaMeow I kinda second this. Reincarnation involves losing their current life and body or losing their physical being. All Rover has lost is memories, this is more of time skipping or being lost in a void. On top of that Rover's appearance is consistent throughout flash backs and current time.
necrostar basically a small IX lol
Personally i can follow the story in a general sense but i cant explain tge intricasies without confusing myself… delivery of lore was so-so and Wuwa need to improve on that…i felt this storyline should’ve been done in 2 part patches i.e 1.3 and 1.4…since we’re introducing Camellya anyways…not enough time to flesh out entire solution of the whole Gravity thing and if Abby was involved in Tethy’s fix
Now in exceng for humanty and no sacrifices the will be more pain suferig and dethe a fair exence😢😢😢
I HEAR ITACHI
Isnt Rover of either gender
Hey, you made a little mistake in this lore video. You keep referring to her as "Shorekeeper" instead of what she really is, "wife". Please make that correction going forward 😉😂.
If it's not obvious, this was a joke.
OH GOSH UR SO RIGHT HOW COULD I DISRESPECT HER LIKE THAT
Nice explanation but since Rover gender are up to players, if you making a lore video like this should keep it neutral to call Rover just Rover or The Rover instead of him/ her. Its a better immersion for everyone, hope this help
i tried my best to just say "rover" but it gets reduntant if im saying a sentance and say like "Rover did this and then rover this and rover decided this for rover" lol but i will try harder next time!
@@OofieTVDont worry it was completely fine..this guy is dumb if he sees something like that as a problem
Nice video, but i think it could be explained way way faster, felt like you were repeating yourself over and over.
good vid but youre repeating stuff way too much
Loved the music, loved the visuals, the idea behind the story was also good, but the narrative was quite poor imo, everything is rushed, story is burried under avalanch of pseudo scientific jargon and random wordsoup and since it doesnt do well at selling the stakes or emotions for me, all of it seemed just illogical and forced. I get wanting to save Shorkeeper, I do, but seriously, doing that while destroying the computer that keeps this civilization alive without any apparent alternative? A computer that just gets randomly fixed of screen and its handwaved with one sentence, its one of those ill thought out power of friendship and "morality" over logic and worldbuilding setups, classic "and then MC came and fixed it all somehow"... no thank you, this is both stupid and incredibly contrived. I really like Wuwa and its world, I am super into the worldbuilding and its lore but while I appreciate some of the reveals, this really isnt the way for me.
A better written and put together story could have pulled this off, no doubt, I never imagined Shorekeeper would be left behind, but it really should have been done better, Rover comes across as both incredibly idiotic and insufferable knowitall that can fix anything and everything while disrespecting all the time and sacrifice already spent because it all apparantely had a very easy solution. It also kinda flies in the face of the entire rest of the game, where the world has been and continues to be ravaged by the lament, sacrficies are neccessary, so are compromises, you cant save everyone, this seemed to be known by the people of this world and Rover, but now we of course get this random word like remodulation, or whatever it was which just fixes things with barely any explanation or setup. Honestly the "breaking of the cycle" you speak of, couldnt be more bs, it was always there out of neccessity not because people didnt have the same values.
Also the whole moral and ethical issues with this are incredibly ill explained, the people we meet are dead, these are essentially imprints on the recreation of what happened via data, ones and zeroes, I am sorry but if keeping these imaginary people in perpetual "suffering" can prevent real people and real world from being destroyed, its not even a debate. Damn honestly the more I listened to you explaine the story the more I dislike it :D Its just so contrived and surface level.
Dont get me wrong, I like the video and please make more, this is a great dive and I really like all the details you inserted, its just that I honestly think the story of this patch is plain bad, from the concept to its execution. Tho I really do like how you just say she when refering to your Rover, my Rover is a guy but it just makes listening to the story retelling a lot more palatable, I generally dislike it when they is used for Rover as it makes some sentences sound really weird and after all your are telling this from your point of view, so it only makes sense.
Very dissapointed in this one after the stellar 1.1 (which was quite similar to this, just better written) and the down to earth and enjoyable 1.2. This felt like 1.0 writing again.
not a fan of the ending. the new core that replaced shore keeper seems to come at a really convenient time. Having Abby to solve all problems is quite weak. especially the same thing happened during the main story. i hope this "Abby the savior" ending won't happen quite often. it's undermining the importance of other characters and MC's part in the story
The new core is basically just a bootleg version of the old core which will results in the great decrease of both efficiency and accuracy (just imagine you replace your high end gaming pc with a 10 years old one with outdated hardwares). Therefore, this is not a solution, but a temporary counter measure.
This maybe fine on short term, but on long terms, the consequences will be detrimental.
I have been quite busy lately so I haven’t been able to explore much of the map yet but someone told me that around the blackshore map, you can find blackshore members talking about this topic.
@HH-kr4fv i don't know about the quality of the new core. But it still doesn't fix the issue with the story. The MC always tries to jump into action first without thinking about how to solve it properly. Luckily, abby is there all the time and, for some reason, can solve all the problems. Which is a lazy way of creating an ending. And diminish the reason shorekeeper sacrifices herself in the first place. If shorekeeper doesn't save the MC, abby is still there to help in the end.
@@vantom9106 it’s still not clear whether Abby has anything to do with the core or not. At the end, they still replace the core with another safer core and it’s not the necrostar itself (it has nothing to do with Abby)
What Rover did was basically prioritizing the well beings of his loved ones over the world. Who could blame him, everyone would also prioritize the safety of their loved one rather than strangers on the other side of the planet. Rover in the past also did the same thing, SK was originally intended to be the Core of the Tethys system, Rover didn’t want that so he chose a much more dangerous solution which is the necrostar of Guixu.
@HH-kr4fv that's not quite right. In the past, Rover left black shore to find the solution to stop using necrostar because he knew that either the MC or shorekeeper needed to become core to replace necrostar and still allow tethys to predict the upcoming lament, but MC disappeared. MC came back and did the exact opposite. Also MC is the main option for core and not shorekeeper. Shorekeeper lacked human emotion needed by tethys to predict lament at that time.
And when you said it's not abby that replace the core. It's even worse ending. So if tethys can replace the core to begin with, why bother having necrostar or sacrifice? People used abby to justify the ending. That's also what this video is talking about.
@@vantom9106 SK already said that the solution of using her as the core wasn’t accepted by the past Rover. That’s why Rover was desperated to find another solution but he has yet to find one.
SK sacrificed herself because she doesn’t want Rover to stuck in the unending loops of finding the solution and fail. Worst case scenario Rover would offer to sacrificed himself so that others would live.
The reason why Ppl doesn’t use the bootleg core in the first place is because it sucks. It’s never a solution in the first place. With the bootleg core the Tethys can’t function effectively .Ppl can’t predict the next Lament anymore. Even if they can still predict the next Lament, it would be much less accurate and slower.
The old Tethys was able to successfully predict over 300000 Laments over the past 10000 years. The new one can’t do it anymore.
hey um just a lil opinion, when u talk about sad stuff in the lore u adopt that sad shattered like voice, but u keep it for way too long its irritating, for me at least
13 minutes in and the same points get repeated over and over again stretching this video out way longer than it needs to be.
Part of it. Use fast forward if you don't like it. Lol
I'm glad wuwa adding skip button in story , God Genshin could never , wuwa story is boring ai could sleep if they don't have skip thanks kuro Genshin could never