Mazda MX-5 MIATA ND2 Club - Driving Something SPECIAL
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- Опубліковано 28 жов 2023
- Taking a quick spin POV drive in a 2023 ND2 Mazda Miata Club with the Recaros seats, Brembos, BBS Wheels, limited slip differential, Bose sound system, all in Machine Gray Metallic. The chassis, engine, and six speed manual all combine to make this one of the most iconic cars to drive. The Miata actually has usable power. You can rev the four cylinder 2.0 liter engine to its 7000 rpm redline, and have fun at any speed on any road.
The Miata is simply remarkable and once you drive it, you get it. Considering the overpriced, overweight sports cars and EVs currently on sale, the Miata is a legendary icon. While hot hatches are sometimes considered the competition, one that really stacks up for tiny car fun is the Mini Hardtop and Mini Convertible. May be as much fun to drive, but a different experience with its front wheel drive and turbo charged engine.
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#convertible #roadster #bestcar #waparally2023 - Авто та транспорт
Very important thing to note for future buyers. I currently own a 2021 RF so about 3 years of driving it now. It's an amazing car, I love driving this more than my model 3 performance, more than the c63 I had, more than the rs3 I had. However, keep in mind that if you decide to buy this car, you should buy it because you like the way it drives in its current, stock form. Aside from aesthetic mods and exhaust, any other performance mods are not going to come easily. I have seen way too many people buying the ND1/ND2 with the intention of power modding it, and that is not very easily achievable. The reason being that Mazda's "gram strategy", pretty much just using the lightest possible parts in this car to keep the weight down, prevents you from adding more power to the car without replacing quite a few things. The most popular and safest thing to do is getting an Edelbrock supercharger, which gives you an extra 20-30hp or so. Very noticeable in the car, but not anything crazy. The supercharger itself will cost $5-$6k and installation for it is another $5k or so; that's $10k. Anything above 200hp in the ND1/ND2 means that you risk blowing up your transmission if you actually use that power often. This is the biggest problem in this generation, the transmission. They did improve it for the ND2 model year 2019 and up, but people's transmissions are still blowing up. It's all over social media pages, it's all over the forums, just less often than the ND1. So yeah, any noticeable power mods mean swapping our your transmission for probably an NC transmission. This is another $1k-$3k all in, unless you can do the swap yourself. You'll want stickier, wider tires for more grip with the added power. Another $1k - $2k. Now that you have more grip, you need to upgrade/replace the stock suspensions so that it can handle the extra force from the added grip, another $600 or so. Then there are other smaller things such as fuel injectors etc. All in, you're $15k - $20k worth of mods now, all for 20-30hp. Noticeable and fun, but now it's a $55k-$60k car. Aside from the supercharger, there is a turbo option, which costs a bit more and will add significantly more power. I've seen 260whp - 300whp. I've also seen a lot of issues with this approach, since...more power than the car was designed to handle. LS swap is also another option. If you want to power mod the car, save your money, buy a used ND1, heck even buy a salvaged ND1 because you're going to end up swapping everything under the hood and underneath the car anyhow.
@BN - good assessment. I’ve read that the tranny issues were only in 2022 and Mazda identified the problem and eliminated it, and the 2023s are fine. Something about carbon coating the gears etc.
@@jaybd9329 The only year I haven't seen transmission issue for is 2020-2021. It's not as often as before 2019, but it's there for other years. I don't know about 2024 though. That being said, the model years that don't have transmission issue just means that they are okay stock. The transmission still cannot handle that amount of torque once above 200lb-ft or so, which is about 50 more over stock.
Thanks for watching and for providing the very thorough and knowledgeable assessment. All the best and happy motoring.
Thank you for that summary. Opened my eyes to how to approach future mods.
Bro, thank you for your comments but your shit is too damn long
The only other car I've ever driven, sitting so far away from the front wheels was a '64 Jaguar XKE, back in 1964. I always loved the British sportscars, those cars created many, many fond memories. Now the XKE had a longer wheelbase, which gave a smoother ride, but all in all, the MX-5's handling does bring back that old MGB feeling to mind. Physiologically, it all depends on the type of road you're driving on. Since 2015, I've thanked GOD for Mazda and what they've accomplished with the MX-5. I can tell they had the Iconic British Sportscars in mind when the MX-5 was created.
Thanks for watching and sharing your experiences. Yep, the turn in and rotation with respect to where you sit makes for a completely different experience. All the best and happy motoring!
Why no mention of passenger comfort?
The best car I ever bought, ND2 pure fun ! I had two Camaros and a Mustang, GT 5.0, however, this car is the most exhilarating
Interesting less power, but more engaging more satisfying. It’s very hard to make a card and deliver this with so little.
I've got an RF and I absolutely love it, I really enjoyed the video,your love of the car really comes through.
Thanks for watching and for the nice comment. Enjoy your RF and happy motoring.
As for the clutch, it's called a progressive clutch because of the different positions from 1st gear to 2nd, then from 2nd to 3rd gear, the clutch is more towards the top of the travel, sort'a like a drag racing clutch setting.
Great Vid. I bought a 2023 Club recently. And I forwarded your vid to my 20 year old kids as a prerequisite video to watch in order fro me to teach them to drive this manual. hahahaha. Thanks
That is awesome. Thanks for watching and the very nice comment. This is a great and easy manual to learn on. Congrats on the MX-5 and happy motoring.
Awesome Mazda Miata)
Thanks for watching and commenting!
I just ordered a 2024 Miata Club . I have driven MINIs for years. I love the driving dynamics of those cars but they are starting to lose the sharpness and responsiveness that they used to have. The MX-5 has all of the great driving dynamics that the MINI lost.
Thanks for watching. Great to hear thoughts from a mini owner. Congrats on your 2024. Heard there are some nice tweaks for the coming model year. All the best and happy motoring!
Where are you located that are accepting 2024 orders?
Me too😊
Have you got the miata ?
More fun than mini ?
I ordered mine on the 21st of nov in Romania. It's gonna be a long wait untill april for me. What is your estimated delivery ?
My goal is to have one of these in two years!
A worthy goal! Thanks for watching and happy motoring.
In a world where everything is digital and a lover of simple things like mechanical watches, I prefer that they leave the gauges alone!
My list of sports cars starting in 1970 are: a Mach1 (Cleveland engine), a Corvette, a Supra Turbo, a 300ZX Turbo, my first Miata a 2001 SE BRG, an ‘02, ‘03, ‘05 and an ‘06 Honda S2000, an ‘08 Miata GT PRHT, a ‘16, ‘18 and ‘21 Miata GT soft tops and my current ‘21 RF Club BBR. All the NDs have been great but my RF Club is my favorite of ALL the sports cars I have owned. I have thought about looking at the new GR 86, Supra and Nissan Z but for the first time in my life have talked myself out of even looking at them as the RF Club is so much fun! Probably my last sports car unless Mazda does something in the future to lure me towards their next gen Miata. No electrification PLEASE!
Very impressive list. Thanks for watching. Have not driven the RF but sounds like you have found a real keeper. A Supra manual convertible would be quite intriguing. Thanks again and happy motoring.
I think Mazda said they planned to electrify their entire fleet by 2030. So yeah, that would unfortunately include the NE. The Miata has been the soul of Mazda for decades though, and they still get to call the shots with the next gen unlike when Ford called the shots with the NC. Lots of passionate designers at Mazda and I have faith that they'll find a way to keep it as fun and nimble as possible since that's what they went back to focusing on with the ND. Plus, it could be a good way for them to find more low end torque and overall horsepower, which are two things the current Miata's drivetrain could use a tad more of. So yeah, gonna lose a bit of that pure NA magic, but I don't think it's all doom and gloom
About to order ND3 2024, Club softop with BBS package. Looking forward to the steering improvements.
I'll do a superstreet exhaust, smaller steering wheel and mesh grill front. Thats it for a few years then MCS/Xida coinlovers and front sways.
Nice. We hope to get access to a 2024 for a review.
Nice revirew I own one.I think the base seats are better I would forgo the Recaros for some better color options.I have the soul crystal red and its the best color but some brighter colors would be nice .The grey and the Zarcon do bring out the blacck accents though.But Porsche has done this with the 911 and just look at their colors.
Thanks for watching and the nice comment. Yea, folks should definitely consider if the Recaros are for them and how they will use the Miata. Great color choice! That is the best color but I did like this gray. We just did a quick drive in a 2024 RF and hope to get a 24 soft top for a thorough deep dive. All the best and happy motoring.
It's an MX5. I got the RF GT. You don't need the Brembos unless you're going to track it.
Excellent point. Base stereo ok?
Nice review, definately a car any car fan should drive at least once. But beware, I took one out for a test drive from a dealer and .... well ... no brainer it was an absolute hoot, direct response and on rails handling with beautiful response to driving the right lines in the twisties. Bottom line is that I bought it. Then an NA, then a very very rare NB SP which has about 230 HP and was the test on market for the mazdaspeed SE turbo. So buy one.... buy the set :) be warned ... they are a very addictive little car.
Thanks for watching and sharing your experience. Yes, everyone should drive one of these to experience what everyone is saying. Just drove a 2024 RF yesterday its always in the conversation as possibly our next long term car for the channel. Thanks again and happy motoring!
I see an MX5 vid, I click.
Awesome. Thanks for watching! We hope to get access to the 2024 in a couple months.
I will order a 2024 MX5… Can’t decide between black with tan top and tan interior, or, aero gray with terra cotta interior. Both GT 6 speed manual….. Which combo would you prefer? Thanks, John
Congrats on your decision. Here in the US, and I think Canada, I have not seen a tan top as an option. Color is such a personal thing, but I would vote for that aero gray/terra cotta. The great thing about the MX-5 is that is wears all colors well. Keep in touch on what you decide on. All the best and happy motoring.
7500 RPM redline
Yes. Thanks. I should have clarified that 7000 rpm is when peak power is reached.
I heard the club ride is very firm compared to the GT. Is it too firm in your opinion?
Actually I think this rides just fine without any type of punishing harshness. Of course it’s a small car with a sporty suspension but I never found it to be uncomfortable. Mazda does allow for some suspension compliance and body lean versus something like a GR86. Thanks for watching and happy motoring!
It actually hasn’t been called a Miata since 2005 but I guess it’s an icon you’ll never change what you call it. I’ve had my NC1 for about eight years now. My dream car. And it hasn’t disappointed. Nothing goes wrong. I’ve now ordered the nd3 2024. I’ll have to wait about five months for it to arrive in Sydney but at least I have an awesome car to do the waiting.
Thanks for watching and sharing. Love to hear from fellow Mazda fans around the world. The ND3 looks to have some nice improvements. Something to look forward to I am sure. Here in the US Mazda still calls it the MX-5 Miata. Canada just the MX-5. But an iconic name nonetheless. Thanks again for watching and happy motoring.
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Good review by the way. And that’s the colour I ordered too
@@BeyondTheTestDrivewhat’s new with the ND3?
@@Imperialist_Boi I think I saw a mild styling refresh, new infotainment screen, updated safety suite, and some mechanical tweaks to the suspension and steering.
What idyllic locale is that where there are so few other cars?
Hi Mark. Yes, finding roads to enjoy in peace is always a challenge. Early Sunday mornings seem to be the key 😂. This specific place is located in southern Maryland on the western side of the Chesapeake Bay. We’ll have a Mazda CX-90 review out soon that has filming in scenic central Maryland and along Virginia’s fall colored Skyline Drive. All the best!
You said you drive the Integra Type S. Would you choose this or that as a second “fun car”?
Thanks for watching and the question. If it was a daily driver definitely the Integra. Huge price increase though. But I would even take the Integra A- Spec at around the same price as the Miata. For a third fun trackable weekend car definitely the Miata. As good as Honda’s six speed is the Miata’s is even better. I don’t own an Integra but you can find a a quick drive impressions video below. All the best and happy motoring. ua-cam.com/video/tcnd0Th4lZE/v-deo.htmlsi=6VQAs4pRG0WeAxyN
Thanks for the video. I'm planning to get the 2025 model.......How is the 2023 fuel consumption?
Thanks for watching! These do well on fuel economy. After a week of hard driving I saw about 32. Took it out on the highway for a test and you can check that one out in the below link. Best of luck in your car shopping. and happy motoring. ua-cam.com/video/9gMrwk4kvPw/v-deo.htmlsi=dcUMLTaMVFlhAd3S
I bought a 2023 RF Club. And my real world fuel consumption after 1500 miles is: 31.1 avg. And I do alot of back road city driving. I would imagine if I drive more highway this will go up. But I turn off highway and tolls on my waze, and take the long roads to and from work. Because I enjoy driving the car on the back roads and city driving.
It will be interesting when Mazda comes out with the new models, ie...hybrid or full ev, how these cars will perform. In fact my decioson to buy this 2023, was because I don't want anything electric. Wanted that raw feel.
More MX5 videos , please 🙏🏽 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thanks for watching. We have one more on the MX5 to get out. Probably around end of January.
I sold my 18 club, big mistake. I’m waiting for next RF club.
Oh no! The 2024 is supposed to have some nice improvements. We hope to get the 2024 soft top for review sometime. Thanks for watching and commenting!
The “geez man” moment you had at 5:36 is about the only reason to balk on this car. Safety from other drivers.
I thought the same all my life until I finally test drove one 6 months ago and fell in love with it. The joy I get while driving it counteracts any fear, as it gives the confidence to handle any situation. i.e. you only live once!!
Need to get one in 3-4 months, but the only available RF here is in automatic, still gonna get it :)
Thanks for watching. Make sure you drive both the manual and auto before you decide. Sure the auto sith the hard top is still lots of fun.
No automatic climate control? I thought the 2,0L always comes with automatic climate control
Thanks for watching. No, just the grand touring trim has it and it’s single zone. Not really needed but always a nice feature.
@@BeyondTheTestDrive ok, thanks for the clarification. Have a nice day!
There is a solution to all this wind buffeting all these non-roadster driving jockeys keep talking about. They were called "Vent Windows". You could unlatch them and swing them open; they were a smoker's ashtray on the road. The MX-5's have a very small, but fixed window where the old vent windows used to be. In fact, if Mazda were to re-introduce swingout vent windows it would, not only reduce wind buffeting, but offer more "A Pillar" support at the same time, along with allowing for smaller roll-up windows. I know why this will never be! They are afraid vent windows will cause more people to take up smoking again while driving. I can't remember the last car I had with vent windows. It might have been the 1979 Chevy Chevette I had? That was rear wheel drive, 4 cylinder with a manual 4 speed transmission and a hatchback. I think I put about 130K miles on that one, and 3 timing belts. Anyway, give it some thought.
Ha ha. Yes, we were just talking about those little pwindows the other day. Never heard them referred to as ashtrays but now that you mention it. Owning a Vette is pretty cool. Oh, it was a Che…..Vette. 😄
Thats too much for a damn go-kart. It's priced higher than a GR86 premium
I have a 2019 MX5 w/a soft top, and dual speed auto/manual flippers in the manual mode. Guess what, the auto trannie is better geared for FAST acceleration, and the paddle shifters work well in low speed zones. Forget about that Olde fashioned manual gearshift, it's dated and too prone for poor gear shifts! Manual shifting is sooo dated, my system works well on the Watkins Glen F1 track w/ NO problems, period. PS. Most manual geared cars are driven by young men who have NO IDEA of how to drive a professional F1 course. Are the professionals driving a F1 course manually? No, speed racing is way more sophisticated these days. Lose the stupid Olde manual gear shift, the real pros don't use, so why should we?......
Nobody would disagree that dual clutches and your regular auto can get around a track faster. While tracking is fun, some folks just want to have fun on a country road at regular speeds. Miata’s would go bye bye if it wasn’t for the manual, but a good dual clutch would be interesting. Thanks for watching.