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Just gonna leave this here Sorry if I messed up the spelling or forgot an artist. Tier 1 Alcest Summoning Deafheaven Wolves in the Throne Room Harakiri for The Sky Tier 2 (Any band from Norway) Mgła Watain Dissection Marduk Dark Funeral Sargeist Horna Tier 3 Blasphemy Revenge Beherit Damaar Naked Whipper Tier 4 Blut Aus Nord Deathspell Omega Diapsiquir Jute Gyte Mamaleek Tier 5 any in the Les Legions Noire Mutiilation Vlad Tepes Obskiritatem Black Cilice Sortilegia Moonblood Xasthur Leviathan Tier 6 (The Nerdy Shit) Abruptum Sutekh Hexen Semen drenched slave of the Devil Emit check out Enbilulugugal too
I think the band in the thumbnail is Weakling in case someone was interested(its wolves in the Throne Room, idk why I thought it why I confused it for the weakling logo)
@@dethronedemperor I worked with Dustin from enbilulugugal before he died last year for my latest release. iamdeadsmiles58.bandcamp.com/track/lonely-goat-corpse-ft-enbilulugugal
Still waiting for "Man hitting a guitar into a trash can while screaming Satan at the top of his lungs" metal, entirely recorded on a 1995 phone answering machine.
I'm from Lebanon and I was very pleasantly surprised to see Damaar on here, you were spot on about how overly religious this country is. Great vid btw, earned my sub
@@rufussamsquanch_6547 Especially since we have bands like Abigor and Deathspell omega as well as blut aus nord etc being widely talked about compared to necroholocaust for instance.
It's very individually imo. For me bands like Bölzer, Pseudogod, Archgoat, Teitanblood, Grave Miasma, Adversarial, Vassafor are far more accessible than any single Deathspell Omega post Infernal Battles song..
@@artyomkurakin3393 agreed, I think these are way more head bang worthy than Diapsiquir or Mamaleek. Yeah, I get that since Bestial is more raw it’d be next to the “Necro” tier but I wouldn’t say it’s less accessible than the Oddball tier
@@Nightgaunt616 I'm checking them out now. They're definitely "out there" but in a good way. I wouldn't consider them "Darkweb" since they lack that "creep out" factor that will ruin your high (note to self: NEVER listen to Emit while blazed).
What about depressive black metal or “DSBM?” Silencer, Austere, Exiled From Light. You mentioned Xasthur and Leviathan but yeah. Haha sorry I don’t mean to sound like an elitist but that is definitely a subgenre of black metal that has a fairly large listener base.
Just found your channel. Been looking for a rather underground knowledge type channel such as yours for awhile now and you totally fit the bill for me. Without going into too much more high praise, I appreciate the way you lay out your explanations. Most places come off very linear like they're reading straight from a script but I can tell no scripts probably ever needed for you because the time and knowledge is that deep. Ty man! Currently going through your catalog as well as anticipating new vids!
Bro I recently found your channel and Im in love. I turned my ad blocker off for you lol. Its everything Ive ever wanted in a metal channel. The format, the tidbits of backstory with some bands (but not so much that it detracts from the music), etc...are all fantastic. Please dont detract too much from the whole "sitting in a chair infront of records spitting knowledge" format. One suggestion is you could add the bands you mention in your description. Other than that, keep on keeping on. Ill plug your channel as much as I can on the various metal subreddits.
@@huggiedistance u should prolly listen to City Morgue/Zillakami, maybe sum scarlxrd. It really all depends on what ur lookin for, if ur lookin for metal or at least harder soundin rap then I’d say those 2. I like a lot of underground street rap but idk if you’d like it cuz obviously we on a black metal video
@@yungwxiner4226 hell yeah man, I love city mourge and scarlxrd, I'm actually mostly into thrash metal and the band anthrax had a huge relation to early gangsta rap. Public Enemy and NWA are some of my favorite rap groups.
I absolutely adore Jute Gyte! His recent records Oviri and Mitrealität in particular are some of the most impressively composed and uncompromising extreme guitar music out there with some really fascinating, alien riffing and incredibly imaginative production. Also, all respect for bringing up Diapsiquir. Definitely one of the oddest black metal acts I've listened to, peculiarly charming in this super off-kilter way. The way that you described them was absolutely on point. Incidentally, funny thing when you compared Sutekh Hexen to Prurient: I'm not sure if you're aware of this or not, but Dominick Fernow is in several black metal projects, including Departure Chandelier and Ash Pool (whose song "Holocaust Temple" has some incredible melodic vocal work). Guy seriously gets around.
I really enjoyed this video. One thing that surprised me was that the avant-garde / dissonant stuff was below the "war metal" tier. I'd say that Beherit is much less accessible than Deathspell Omega, at least to my ears. Great video though!
Great point about Damaar- I love that "legitimate"/lived experience coming through music. Makes such an impact, even when the chops aren't apex. Throwing it out there about Revenge- living/growing up in the same area as them, I very much get the same feeling about Revenge. I don't know them personally or anything, and perhaps I'm projecting, but I feel like their music bleeds the discontent of Alberta very specifically
Lebanon isn't as bad religiously as he describes it tho lmao. They wouldn't have been killed for their music (mostly because it was underground) but still. The drummer went to australia and converted back to islam is the version I heard. And I think the vocalist was in a thrash band called nightchains which I recommend you check out
@@muchwizardrainbowgandalfwi675 well I said that cause ive heard so many people say they got "death threats" from their music thus which is why they fled to Australia.
I got dragged into the genre by Al-Namrood. I think their very unique approach to the genre makes them a really good starting point. Both through the folk elements like the utilization of the arabian scale and traditional arabic instruments as well as through the more accessible style of their current vocalist Humbaba (since "Heen Yadhar Al Ghasq"). Also I never met anybody - metalhead or not - who wasn't interested in taking a listen to their music after learning that their from Saudi-Arabia and could literally be executed for their music.
@junesuprise who you never met and wtf are you talking about 😂 why would someone who you don't know be interested about you not being interested in something?
i was refering "Also I never met anybody - metalhead or not - who wasn't interested in taking a listen to their music after learning that their from Saudi-Arabia and could literally be executed for their music."@@punkjay4681
I've had that Damaar record since Hell Headbangers got copies back in 2007, it's one of the jewels in my collection. Good video Wyatt, interesting premise, and a good execution.
Cool. I love these iceberg videos. Very well done and deep explained. My favorite subgenre of metal is black metal and its a deep dark abyss to get into.
I used to literally call them “Magla”. Until I got to know a polish friend who told me it’s “Mgła”. Literally, no other syllable than the A, and the L is pronounced weirdly.
Another one that could be on tier 6 is stallagh. It's a project formed by some guys who work at an asylum and they convinced the people in charge to let them record the patients screaming as a form of therapy. You can kind of hear some riffs and drums in the background at points, but it's mostly just screaming. It's just really hard to listen to.
I feel honored to have been able to give this the 666th like haha. Also for the oddball tier I think I'd personally add Todestoss, I don't feel like they get mentioned enough. They're totally nuts and fascinating. For the raw tier I think I'd add Nihill and Novae Militiae. I don't know, maybe they're not essential but they're some of the best in my eyes Great video! Lots of bands I'm excited to check out after watching this
@@ConvincingPeople do not worry we shall hunt you down, it has been foretold, you will not poison thy gene pool. We are ancient we have always watched you.
I'm really glad you gave Jute Gyte a mention; he is one artist I never hear anyone speak or know of. I actually listen to all of his styles he makes, sometimes his chaotic black metal, sometimes his ambient glitch stuff really hits the spot if I crave something less stimulating. Have you ever heard of the band Wold? I feel like they could have had a mention under your Dark Web Black Metal tier. They are basically harsh noise with Donald Duck or Eric Cartman on vocals. It's some nasty, scathing shit. But it's oddly relaxing to listen to? Also, perhaps Gnaw Their Tongues could have been another band for this tier as well? More of that experimental, nasty dark black metal stuff. Nice video though, I enjoyed it. P.S. You may have gotten me interested in Sutekh Hexen. Also, I actually love Deafheaven, and I used to listen to Alcest.
Emit's music isn't all noisy. They (he?) has also released some Dark Ambient stuff like Spectre Music Of An Antiquary (which is actually quite relaxing to listen to, if you can believe it). Also, one of the guys who played in Emit has got a Roman Catholic Black Metal band called Reverorum Ib Malacht, which is every bit as weird and odd, though much less noisy. I must admit though, it's weird (but welcoming) to see people outside the UK know about Emit. Tier 6 could basically be called the Todestrieb Records roster, as we have a fair few of these weird, oddball noisy Black Metal bands, such as T.O.M.B., Extinction, Basilisk, and The Tyrant of Manchester (yes that is the band name)
Since you talked about Damaar n religion: there's this anti-islamic black metal band called Janaza. It's a musical project by an Iraqi woman (who, in fact lives in Iraq, how brave). Pretty good stuff.
LLN and the associated acts is what really drew me into black metal as a teen. Sure I had listened to some Gorgoroth, some Carpathian Forest, and even some Darkthrone, but nothing compared to the LLN. I was too young to really appreciate all of it, but the "gems" I found kept me coming back time and time again. I only like them more as I grow older too. They really provide some next level darkness. Top tier BM to this day.
Yes, Alcest are such a great place to start for most. I've played their records for a few friends and everyone found them beautiful, even if they didn't like metal in general.
One I didn’t mention that’s similar to Alcest but easily my favorite for the style would be “Lantlos” Their album “Neon” is perfection and that balances out shoegaze and black metal to a near perfect even degree.
Alcest is just plain calming for a lot of songs I mean try and do a full length cover of "sur le ocean couler de fer" without accidentally carrying yourself into an almost hypnotic sleep. It's perfect
Once I listened a track from WITTR with my mom and she dig it. She said the music was awesome, but didn't get the shouting vocals. So, yes, Wolves is pretty much Tier 1
Great list. I got to know some interesting new bands, especially in the lower 2 tiers. Here are some of my additions: Tier 1: Panopticon, None, Agalloch Tier 2: Judas Iscariot (American so doesn't fall under the anything-from-Norway category) Tier 2.5 (Crust punk): Drakthrone (later), Wolfbrigade, All Pigs Must Die, Oathbreaker, Black Breath Tier 4: Imperial Triumphant, Krallice, Oranssi Pazuzu, Liturgy, Thy Catafalque (they may also go in Tier 1), Sigh Tier 6: Stalaggh (if you want to still call that black metal or, you know... music)
Great vid! Learned a lot of new things about my favorite metal sub genre. Out of curiosity, where on the Iceberg would you put the more accessible avant-garde bands like Krallice and Spectral Lore?
If you want noise with a black metal vibe listen to Hurqalya by Sacrificial Totem. This release in particular was dubbed "blackest ambient metal" and while I don't think there's enough black metal influence in it to be placed in this list the discussion of noise at the end made me think of it.
Satanhartalt is a group that you could consider to be Tier 6 black metal. Being a black noise, it is very eerie and dark, super raw, I love it. It's like exploring a Medieval hell (the art on their tapes gives that vibe).
I would put those later havohej albums in the tier 6 list section or somewhere up there. Cool video, i wasn't expecting someone to do a good black metal iceberg list!
I can't see anyone talking about Mamaleek. I feel you 100% how you seem mesmerized trying to give off an impression of what they music is; it's the most creative thing i have heard in my music life. It is so rich, so deep, the way their wright their songs is something i have never came accross in any genre. it's clearly a demonstration of music as an art.
I'd say tier 1 in my favorite tier, lots of nostalgic love for tier 2, tier 3 is just... meh closest thing I like in that category MIGHT be Inquisition but that may be more tier 2, tier 4 has some great stuff there, tier 5 also great, tier 6 is legitimately alien to me, as much as I like challenging music, I like music, not the electrical interpretation of schizophrenia, which sounds cooler than the music actually sounds like. Great vid! I am looking forward to checking these out. Shout out to these underrated bands: Alter of Plagues 1914 Ash Borer Crafteon Bufhimat Elegiac Ellende Firelink NONE Nordicwinter Pan- Amerikan Native Front Panopticon SAOR AEvangilist Cairn YMIR SPIRIT PROCESSION Non Opus Del
really dig this video. don't know shit abt black metal but it's cool seeing it getting broken down into six "types" that actually delves into the subject further than "guy screams in his car for 40 minutes and makes a 4 hour long black metal project with it" my only gripe with this is that it feels like a band recommendation video and not really an iceberg. it'd take a small group of seasoned fans to pull together a berg covering not only notable bands, but also historical events like controversies, tropes like shithouse quality black metal, injokes and practices and common beliefs in the scene, all sorts of shit, and then ranking all that shit by obscurity. it would be super sick seeing something like that, but its understandably a shitload of work
I seem to be a strange case, as I managed to end up on both ends of the black metal ice berg without really crossing into the middle. Very shortly after being shown Darkthrone, Mayhem, Burzum, Bathory, etc, I somehow found Dead Before Death by Emit. Can confirm, basically noise. Interesting noise, gut wrenching noise, but noise.
Wyatt, if you would include every black metal band out there, this video would be 6 hours long. Great video nonetheless. 👍 Im definately all about tier 2, 3. 4 not at all. 5 im into again. Havent touched much on tier 6 yet.
Interesting take on describing Black Metal. My introduction albums were, De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas, In The Nightside Eclipse and Opus iv back in the mid 90s. Pretty well upon release. Still a few of my favorite albums. Like Summoning a lot. Earlier Summoning was not so atmospheric. Prior to De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas, almost all Black Metal was recorded in "tin can" style you mentioned. Varg had a video on UA-cam where he explains this. Don't know if it is still up considering they took down his videos. He basically says the "tin can" recordings were anti pop music. Clean was seen as mainstream. Abruptum for the most part is definately noise. But they do have a few good songs. They are actually capable of playing their instruments.
Sounds like you're describing Saudi Arabia rather than Lebanon. Lebanon is one of the more liberal countries in the Middle East. Although, you can't get too liberal in the Middle East-that's true
Not a fan of the music but I observe it as a form of entertainment. Black metal had its heyday in the '90's and early 2000's. But there are so many artists now and they're all so similarly wired (to my ears) it's hard to really tell one from the other. IMO extreme music is heading in the direction of non-genre specific metal. Bands like Meshuggah are doing things like taking thrash music and adding truly extreme blendings of percussion and guitars with unique vocals. Or Portal took death metal to an atmospheric place, a la norwegian black metal. Their music is truly chaos, something most bands require horrific visuals to attain. Again, not something I can sit there and listen to but fun to observe how this form of art is evolving from the sidelines.
Yo. Been digging Blasphemy for a while. Thanks for the heads up with Naked Whipper. Shit is brutal! This is a really good list. I’m happy you spoke about deathspell without the, you know, um, stuff that has nothing to do with the music. Props for that. Question: where on the list would Portal and Wold be on?
Although he already featured Portal in his death metal iceberg video, he could also put Portal in the oddball tier. So, in a sense, Portal is oddball blackened death. I could put Wold in the deep web tier. I could feature some other related bands to Wold such as Gnaw Their Tongues, Enbilulugugal, Ahulabrum, Mnima, Utarm, and a few others. Some very authentic underground bands such as Tritonchasm, Wheel of Sickies, Mhnunrrn, and Baxbakwalanuxsiwae.
I don't know if these kinds of "tier lists" have any kind of meaning in the age of free-circulated information. My first BM experience was Ultima Thulee and To Cavirs, and then I moved on to more "popular" ones like Summoning and Eldamar to end up discovering more of the genre later.
Awesome video. Damaar is a really good band. I myself was in a thrash metal band in Lebanon around the same time they were active. I'm asking a few of their friends about any updates.. I'll let you know if I get anything. Thanks for reminding me of them. Also, deathspell omega fuckk, stuck on them now. Cheers
Never in my life have I enjoyed black metal but I’m excited to give some of these bands a try! I’ve heard random inaudible black metal in the past and just wrote it off, but ima try to do this the right way this time🤘
You made a great video there. I could use the names typed down, cause, as a non native i have problems understanding some names of the more obscure bands.
Awesome list man. I think that one of the most batshit projects i have listened in a while is Tsalal. Just a total madness drenched sonic obliteration. I knew them listening to Tetragrammacide, like if that wasn't enough.
I remember how claustrophobic Rites Through the Twillight of Hell felt when I was still discovering BM (long ago). This demo is still something extremely fascinating to me, even though I must be one of the only person to like this demo given how they could barely play their instruments at the time lol. But the production and smothering of the sound was so perfect in creating the atmosphere...
For me it was the opposite about the raw black metal. I always thought that this genre should sound like this and therefore, it became my favourite. I love the haunting atmosphere that raw black metal produces.
Yeah, I am under the impression that it is the essence of black metal, and the other genres are more about experimentation or finding other ways to express this, giving rise to extremely different things. That being said, I've been into BM for so long now that I totally understand that newer fans may be put off by how barebones this stuff can be. Also, production quality has improved massively since then and as such it's very understandable that people may have a harder time than before to get back into this. (Also, I'm not a snob: it's a good thing production quality went up as it allows some stuff that wasn't really possible before. Good production quality can help enhancing brutality or specific feelings in ways that weren't possible before, overall helping to expand what black metal can be).
Recommended updates: Level 1: Summoning: Just the first record "Lugburz" which is actually BM, Would add Venom and Bathory to a certain extend too Level 2: Unanimated, Ancient Rites, Keep of Kalessin, Evol, Anaal Nathrakh, Necrophobic, Decameron, Satanized, Impaled Nazarene or more contemporarely: Sarastus: Enter the necropolis Level 3: Belphegor, Mor Dagor, Forgotten Woods, Pest (both from SWE and from NOR), Level 4: Abigor (especially "Fractal Possession"), Dodheimsgard, Mysticum (the first album) Level 5: Nargaroth, Judas Iscariot, Katharsis (Germany), Graveland, Satanic Warmaster, Urgehal, Level 7: There are plenty of those who just release cassettes or limited EP - Sombre Records from Germany were famous for releasing such bands Level 8: Tape traded shit like the "Chainsaw gutsfuck" demo from Mayhem on tape.
Just gonna leave this here
Sorry if I messed up the spelling or forgot an artist.
Tier 1 Alcest
Summoning
Deafheaven
Wolves in the Throne Room
Harakiri for The Sky
Tier 2 (Any band from Norway)
Mgła
Watain
Dissection
Marduk
Dark Funeral
Sargeist
Horna
Tier 3 Blasphemy
Revenge
Beherit
Damaar
Naked Whipper
Tier 4 Blut Aus Nord
Deathspell Omega
Diapsiquir
Jute Gyte
Mamaleek
Tier 5 any in the Les Legions Noire
Mutiilation
Vlad Tepes
Obskiritatem
Black Cilice
Sortilegia
Moonblood
Xasthur
Leviathan
Tier 6 (The Nerdy Shit)
Abruptum
Sutekh Hexen
Semen drenched slave of the Devil
Emit
check out Enbilulugugal too
I think the band in the thumbnail is Weakling in case someone was interested(its wolves in the Throne Room, idk why I thought it why I confused it for the weakling logo)
Thank you! I'd been researching as I was listening. But for the life of me, I couldn't figure out diapsiquir and black cilice lmao
Props for mentioning Enbilulugugal. They fucking slay
eh idk why i dont like sutekh hexen, its just okay. Maybe try gnaw their tongues
@@dethronedemperor I worked with Dustin from enbilulugugal before he died last year for my latest release. iamdeadsmiles58.bandcamp.com/track/lonely-goat-corpse-ft-enbilulugugal
Black Metal Surface Level itself is a deep abyss in the music world.
Hell it's a deep abyss just on the Heavy Metal Iceberg.
@@derrickbonsell true
And it should be left alone and never disturbed.
🤘⚰💀🐐🐐
not really
The slam side isn't any shallower
Still waiting for "Man hitting a guitar into a trash can while screaming Satan at the top of his lungs" metal, entirely recorded on a 1995 phone answering machine.
are we sure merzbow hasnt done this?
Just so we're clear, does it have to be metal trash can or will any old material do? I'm asking for a "friend" with a "project"...
Trve Kvlt
🤣🤣
Go listen to Impaled Northern Moonforest
I only clicked on this to get some new bands into my rotation, didn't expect to learn as much as I did about my favorite subgenre. Good work man.
I'm from Lebanon and I was very pleasantly surprised to see Damaar on here, you were spot on about how overly religious this country is. Great vid btw, earned my sub
Much respect!
@@dread-cthulu Thank you!
@@chrisistopher yooo man im from Lebanon too
@@occultus284 happy to see other lebanese people in the community
@@chrisistopher yep, follow me on Instagram if you want so we can get in touch more. Occultus.666
Honestly I’d switch the war metal and experimental tier around, war metal is far less accessible and more obscure than deathspell omega.
Agreed
@@rufussamsquanch_6547 Especially since we have bands like Abigor and Deathspell omega as well as blut aus nord etc being widely talked about compared to necroholocaust for instance.
It's very individually imo. For me bands like Bölzer, Pseudogod, Archgoat, Teitanblood, Grave Miasma, Adversarial, Vassafor are far more accessible than any single Deathspell Omega post Infernal Battles song..
@@artyomkurakin3393 agreed, I think these are way more head bang worthy than Diapsiquir or Mamaleek. Yeah, I get that since Bestial is more raw it’d be next to the “Necro” tier but I wouldn’t say it’s less accessible than the Oddball tier
yeah war metal is way more intense then death spell
Darkweb Black Metal = perfect description of Emit. The music sounds like the picture looks.
Rofl yes
Check out Portal
@@Nightgaunt616 I'm checking them out now. They're definitely "out there" but in a good way. I wouldn't consider them "Darkweb" since they lack that "creep out" factor that will ruin your high (note to self: NEVER listen to Emit while blazed).
But the thing is Emit really ISNT BM its black ambient! no metal passages
@@wewuzwolves4428 i just listened to emit stoned and my ears are melting
What about depressive black metal or “DSBM?”
Silencer, Austere, Exiled From Light. You mentioned Xasthur and Leviathan but yeah. Haha sorry I don’t mean to sound like an elitist but that is definitely a subgenre of black metal that has a fairly large listener base.
I was waiting for it too, was surprised to see Xasthur in the raw section.
I wish I could enjoy Silencer... and it pains me that I can't.
@@HopefulNihilist why can’t you?
@@SinizterOfficial
The vocals.
I don't consider myself to be picky, but I just can't get used to them. And believe me, I tried.
Elite taste my friend
An iceberg for black metal that I haven't seen that before
Just found your channel. Been looking for a rather underground knowledge type channel such as yours for awhile now and you totally fit the bill for me. Without going into too much more high praise, I appreciate the way you lay out your explanations. Most places come off very linear like they're reading straight from a script but I can tell no scripts probably ever needed for you because the time and knowledge is that deep. Ty man! Currently going through your catalog as well as anticipating new vids!
Ulver and Agalloch would also fit pretty damn well in tier 1 I think
-and pretty much any band with a pagan theme.
yes yes yes
Ulver - Bergtatt is a rite of passage in my opinion.
Id also say Apati
Everything they made that is not Nattens Madrigal. That record in particular is a bit rough for the uninitiated.
Bro I recently found your channel and Im in love. I turned my ad blocker off for you lol. Its everything Ive ever wanted in a metal channel. The format, the tidbits of backstory with some bands (but not so much that it detracts from the music), etc...are all fantastic. Please dont detract too much from the whole "sitting in a chair infront of records spitting knowledge" format. One suggestion is you could add the bands you mention in your description. Other than that, keep on keeping on. Ill plug your channel as much as I can on the various metal subreddits.
Just started getting into Black Metal! Saving this one, this looks like it'll be really helpful.
Normally I don't like these iceberg videos, as I think they're pretty overdone, but this one was actually engaging. Good stuff!
Thanks for bringing up Xasthur and Leviathan/ Lurker of chalice.
Don’t know how I ended up here cuz I listen to rap music but this was an interesting video, ill probably check out these bands now.
Start in tier 2
What rappers do you like? I'm currently getting into rap from metal and punk.
@@huggiedistance u should prolly listen to City Morgue/Zillakami, maybe sum scarlxrd. It really all depends on what ur lookin for, if ur lookin for metal or at least harder soundin rap then I’d say those 2. I like a lot of underground street rap but idk if you’d like it cuz obviously we on a black metal video
@@yungwxiner4226 hell yeah man, I love city mourge and scarlxrd, I'm actually mostly into thrash metal and the band anthrax had a huge relation to early gangsta rap. Public Enemy and NWA are some of my favorite rap groups.
@@yungwxiner4226 but I would love some more street rap suggestions.
Master's Hammer album in the background, nice
One of the best albums of all-time!
@@canticlesfromthecatacombs7856 absolutely man
Czech classic. Metalheads here are proud, that someone actually knows our bands!
black metal virtue signaling
Nice pfp!
I absolutely adore Jute Gyte! His recent records Oviri and Mitrealität in particular are some of the most impressively composed and uncompromising extreme guitar music out there with some really fascinating, alien riffing and incredibly imaginative production. Also, all respect for bringing up Diapsiquir. Definitely one of the oddest black metal acts I've listened to, peculiarly charming in this super off-kilter way. The way that you described them was absolutely on point.
Incidentally, funny thing when you compared Sutekh Hexen to Prurient: I'm not sure if you're aware of this or not, but Dominick Fernow is in several black metal projects, including Departure Chandelier and Ash Pool (whose song "Holocaust Temple" has some incredible melodic vocal work). Guy seriously gets around.
Loved the video, so much information, and so well explained. Thank you for such short yet well thought-out analysis.
thank you for the Damaar suggestion! been looking for something like this (similar to one of my favorite CDs, Slavia's Strength and Vision) THANK YOU.
Think I'm going to make a response video just adding on some points of this. Really well put together stuff!
I really enjoyed this video. One thing that surprised me was that the avant-garde / dissonant stuff was below the "war metal" tier. I'd say that Beherit is much less accessible than Deathspell Omega, at least to my ears. Great video though!
Great point about Damaar- I love that "legitimate"/lived experience coming through music. Makes such an impact, even when the chops aren't apex. Throwing it out there about Revenge- living/growing up in the same area as them, I very much get the same feeling about Revenge. I don't know them personally or anything, and perhaps I'm projecting, but I feel like their music bleeds the discontent of Alberta very specifically
As an Albertan, this is true.
As a Lebanese dude, I agree
Lebanon isn't as bad religiously as he describes it tho lmao. They wouldn't have been killed for their music (mostly because it was underground) but still. The drummer went to australia and converted back to islam is the version I heard. And I think the vocalist was in a thrash band called nightchains which I recommend you check out
@@muchwizardrainbowgandalfwi675 yoo what's your ig
@@muchwizardrainbowgandalfwi675 well I said that cause ive heard so many people say they got "death threats" from their music thus which is why they fled to Australia.
I got dragged into the genre by Al-Namrood. I think their very unique approach to the genre makes them a really good starting point. Both through the folk elements like the utilization of the arabian scale and traditional arabic instruments as well as through the more accessible style of their current vocalist Humbaba (since "Heen Yadhar Al Ghasq"). Also I never met anybody - metalhead or not - who wasn't interested in taking a listen to their music after learning that their from Saudi-Arabia and could literally be executed for their music.
Thanks for adding a new band to my playlist :)
We never met but I’m not interested. Sounds “clickbaity” if you know what I mean.
@junesuprise who you never met and wtf are you talking about 😂 why would someone who you don't know be interested about you not being interested in something?
i was refering "Also I never met anybody - metalhead or not - who wasn't interested in taking a listen to their music after learning that their from Saudi-Arabia and could literally be executed for their music."@@punkjay4681
top of the ice berg MAYHEM bottom of the ice berg MAYHEM background story
i think the background story is pretty mainstream , i mean even people who dont listen to black metal know about the whole varg vikernes stuff
@@a.r.i.a5003 hahahah Varg..... well he's a MEME now.... so yeah its pretty mainstream...... agreed
All Mayhem is insanely good
@@a.r.i.a5003 top of the ice berg Mayhem story. Bottom of the iceberg The ToF
Mayhem is the drizzling shits.... just pure unadulterated crap..
I've had that Damaar record since Hell Headbangers got copies back in 2007, it's one of the jewels in my collection. Good video Wyatt, interesting premise, and a good execution.
Cool. I love these iceberg videos. Very well done and deep explained. My favorite subgenre of metal is black metal and its a deep dark abyss to get into.
5:27 I commend you for pronouncing mgła correctly, haven't heard many people even try
I used to literally call them “Magla”. Until I got to know a polish friend who told me it’s “Mgła”. Literally, no other syllable than the A, and the L is pronounced weirdly.
@@JacobA666 Ł is pronounced like english W, eg. White, biały, ławka, wow, łał
if only you wrote 'commend' correct when complimenting someone on their pronunciation lol
@@JacobA666 well Magla has the same meaning as Mgła, just a different language
@@whitewizard1914 what do you know.. linguistics are amazing :)
Another one that could be on tier 6 is stallagh. It's a project formed by some guys who work at an asylum and they convinced the people in charge to let them record the patients screaming as a form of therapy. You can kind of hear some riffs and drums in the background at points, but it's mostly just screaming. It's just really hard to listen to.
not really black metal though its legit just noise is all it is
Nah the Stallagh is just some edgelord nihilists from lebannon and the netherlands lol the whole story is a marketing trick.
its not black metal its more in the harsh noise genre
@am i a pseudo intellectual? yes or no i mean yeah but pure misanthropia has like 0 black metal influence whatsoever
@am i a pseudo intellectual? yes or no ?
I feel honored to have been able to give this the 666th like haha.
Also for the oddball tier I think I'd personally add Todestoss, I don't feel like they get mentioned enough. They're totally nuts and fascinating. For the raw tier I think I'd add Nihill and Novae Militiae. I don't know, maybe they're not essential but they're some of the best in my eyes
Great video! Lots of bands I'm excited to check out after watching this
Holy shit, another Todesstoß fan in the wild! I think they keep the five or so of us apart so we don't breed and further poison the gene pool…
@@ConvincingPeople do not worry we shall hunt you down, it has been foretold, you will not poison thy gene pool. We are ancient we have always watched you.
I'm really glad you gave Jute Gyte a mention; he is one artist I never hear anyone speak or know of. I actually listen to all of his styles he makes, sometimes his chaotic black metal, sometimes his ambient glitch stuff really hits the spot if I crave something less stimulating.
Have you ever heard of the band Wold? I feel like they could have had a mention under your Dark Web Black Metal tier. They are basically harsh noise with Donald Duck or Eric Cartman on vocals. It's some nasty, scathing shit. But it's oddly relaxing to listen to?
Also, perhaps Gnaw Their Tongues could have been another band for this tier as well? More of that experimental, nasty dark black metal stuff.
Nice video though, I enjoyed it.
P.S. You may have gotten me interested in Sutekh Hexen. Also, I actually love Deafheaven, and I used to listen to Alcest.
The microtonal album ship of theseus is one of my fav8
Also I love escatalogical scatology by gnaw there tongues
Emit's music isn't all noisy. They (he?) has also released some Dark Ambient stuff like Spectre Music Of An Antiquary (which is actually quite relaxing to listen to, if you can believe it). Also, one of the guys who played in Emit has got a Roman Catholic Black Metal band called Reverorum Ib Malacht, which is every bit as weird and odd, though much less noisy. I must admit though, it's weird (but welcoming) to see people outside the UK know about Emit. Tier 6 could basically be called the Todestrieb Records roster, as we have a fair few of these weird, oddball noisy Black Metal bands, such as T.O.M.B., Extinction, Basilisk, and The Tyrant of Manchester (yes that is the band name)
Since you talked about Damaar n religion: there's this anti-islamic black metal band called Janaza. It's a musical project by an Iraqi woman (who, in fact lives in Iraq, how brave). Pretty good stuff.
I thought that band was debunked as a hoax some years ago.
@@JohnDiabol Oh, I didn't know that. But, whether that's true or not, the music still slaps.
@@formrkelse3138 I'm definitely always up for some anti Islamic black metal.
LLN and the associated acts is what really drew me into black metal as a teen. Sure I had listened to some Gorgoroth, some Carpathian Forest, and even some Darkthrone, but nothing compared to the LLN. I was too young to really appreciate all of it, but the "gems" I found kept me coming back time and time again. I only like them more as I grow older too. They really provide some next level darkness. Top tier BM to this day.
I am starting to get into black metal...this video helped me allot! Thank you kind sir :)
Appreciate that Master’s Hammer - Ritual LP in the background🤘🏻
Yes, Alcest are such a great place to start for most. I've played their records for a few friends and everyone found them beautiful, even if they didn't like metal in general.
One I didn’t mention that’s similar to Alcest but easily my favorite for the style would be “Lantlos”
Their album “Neon” is perfection and that balances out shoegaze and black metal to a near perfect even degree.
Id also say Les Discreits or however you spell it
Alcest is just plain calming for a lot of songs I mean try and do a full length cover of "sur le ocean couler de fer" without accidentally carrying yourself into an almost hypnotic sleep. It's perfect
I'm more the deathcore/deathmetal guy, but this video was very interesting to listen to. Thank you!
Once I listened a track from WITTR with my mom and she dig it. She said the music was awesome, but didn't get the shouting vocals. So, yes, Wolves is pretty much Tier 1
Thanks for breaking this down, I've been wondering lately what the limit for darkness would be, and I think I found it
Welcome
Great list. I got to know some interesting new bands, especially in the lower 2 tiers.
Here are some of my additions:
Tier 1: Panopticon, None, Agalloch
Tier 2: Judas Iscariot (American so doesn't fall under the anything-from-Norway category)
Tier 2.5 (Crust punk): Drakthrone (later), Wolfbrigade, All Pigs Must Die, Oathbreaker, Black Breath
Tier 4: Imperial Triumphant, Krallice, Oranssi Pazuzu, Liturgy, Thy Catafalque (they may also go in Tier 1), Sigh
Tier 6: Stalaggh (if you want to still call that black metal or, you know... music)
Liturgy is literally layer 1 stuff
Strongly agree with your tiers, @kristofbe1 - also, never heard of None, so I’ll be checking them out!
Great vid! Learned a lot of new things about my favorite metal sub genre.
Out of curiosity, where on the Iceberg would you put the more accessible avant-garde bands like Krallice and Spectral Lore?
Yo big props for covering this, black metal on the internet is so polarizing to discuss
I'm so thankful this video has been uploaded. Do you have any videos reviewing all your records? I would love to see something like that.
I have a playlist for my vinyl collection
If you want noise with a black metal vibe listen to Hurqalya by Sacrificial Totem. This release in particular was dubbed "blackest ambient metal" and while I don't think there's enough black metal influence in it to be placed in this list the discussion of noise at the end made me think of it.
Right on! Just found this channel.. let the binge watching begin
nice video dude 👌🏻 thoroughly enjoyed this
You should do the iceberg on all genres!!
Satanhartalt is a group that you could consider to be Tier 6 black metal. Being a black noise, it is very eerie and dark, super raw, I love it. It's like exploring a Medieval hell (the art on their tapes gives that vibe).
Appreciate the recommendation!
Thanks man
is this dungeon synth?
I would put those later havohej albums in the tier 6 list section or somewhere up there. Cool video, i wasn't expecting someone to do a good black metal iceberg list!
I can't see anyone talking about Mamaleek. I feel you 100% how you seem mesmerized trying to give off an impression of what they music is; it's the most creative thing i have heard in my music life. It is so rich, so deep, the way their wright their songs is something i have never came accross in any genre. it's clearly a demonstration of music as an art.
I'm also wearing a Triumvir Foul shirt today. #twinning
I'd say tier 1 in my favorite tier, lots of nostalgic love for tier 2, tier 3 is just... meh closest thing I like in that category MIGHT be Inquisition but that may be more tier 2, tier 4 has some great stuff there, tier 5 also great, tier 6 is legitimately alien to me, as much as I like challenging music, I like music, not the electrical interpretation of schizophrenia, which sounds cooler than the music actually sounds like.
Great vid! I am looking forward to checking these out.
Shout out to these underrated bands:
Alter of Plagues
1914
Ash Borer
Crafteon
Bufhimat
Elegiac
Ellende
Firelink
NONE
Nordicwinter
Pan- Amerikan Native Front
Panopticon
SAOR
AEvangilist
Cairn
YMIR
SPIRIT PROCESSION
Non Opus Del
1914 are awesome, I’ve been listening to them a lot lately.
Great video. I always liked the atmosphere of abrumptum, since the 90s.I never thought of them in the sense you described.
Sick Triumvir Foul shirt, dude. Subscribed!
Welp thanks for givin’ me new bands to listen to, delving into tier 6 lmao.
IT, the founder of Abruptum, also had a band called Ophthalamia which was amazing. Definitely worth checking out.
Ophtalamia, they are great on their first album vocalist was Jon from Dissection, on later albums Legion from Marduk
@@mariozd971 I particularly love the second one
@@ashkandi1337I thought I was the only one!
really dig this video. don't know shit abt black metal but it's cool seeing it getting broken down into six "types" that actually delves into the subject further than "guy screams in his car for 40 minutes and makes a 4 hour long black metal project with it"
my only gripe with this is that it feels like a band recommendation video and not really an iceberg. it'd take a small group of seasoned fans to pull together a berg covering not only notable bands, but also historical events like controversies, tropes like shithouse quality black metal, injokes and practices and common beliefs in the scene, all sorts of shit, and then ranking all that shit by obscurity. it would be super sick seeing something like that, but its understandably a shitload of work
Great video really enjoyed the info and your personality. You just got a new sub
It’s so beautiful to see how many insanely talented and creative people black metal has gone on to inspire
Amy examples? I'm actually curious
@@MooSaidChicken Igorrr
A big suggestion for tier 6:
German band Dawnfall with their album Drei Räume
found some great bands here mate thanks! really enjoying Abruptum its so raw and dark
Didn't expect you to mention diapsiquir! First time i've ever heard someone talk about them in a video, very cool!
Me: (backing up a forklift) i'll take the whole berg, thank you
I am from Lebanon and I really admire the fact that you dedicated around 4 min just to talk about Damaar! Horns to you dude \m/
Yo man im also from Lebanon
@@occultus284 Awesome! You're in a band?
@@charbelalsahlani5566 i wish
@@charbelalsahlani5566 im looking for band mates, i want to start a War metal band that’s exactly like Damaar vocals
@@occultus284 What instrument do you play?
Great video, man!
Man. Ur list gave me chills. Thanks for bunch. Confirmed Sub here.
You can articulate very well
I seem to be a strange case, as I managed to end up on both ends of the black metal ice berg without really crossing into the middle. Very shortly after being shown Darkthrone, Mayhem, Burzum, Bathory, etc, I somehow found Dead Before Death by Emit. Can confirm, basically noise. Interesting noise, gut wrenching noise, but noise.
Wyatt, if you would include every black metal band out there, this video would be 6 hours long. Great video nonetheless. 👍
Im definately all about tier 2, 3.
4 not at all.
5 im into again. Havent touched much on tier 6 yet.
22:02 Prurient (Dominck Fernow) is a member of Departure Chandelier credited as Fanalis
Interesting take on describing Black Metal. My introduction albums were, De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas, In The Nightside Eclipse and Opus iv back in the mid 90s. Pretty well upon release. Still a few of my favorite albums. Like Summoning a lot. Earlier Summoning was not so atmospheric. Prior to De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas, almost all Black Metal was recorded in "tin can" style you mentioned. Varg had a video on UA-cam where he explains this. Don't know if it is still up considering they took down his videos. He basically says the "tin can" recordings were anti pop music. Clean was seen as mainstream. Abruptum for the most part is definately noise. But they do have a few good songs. They are actually capable of playing their instruments.
I've never been so excited to learn lol
NGL, listening to Sutekh Hexen now and this is fire. Thanks!
Sounds like you're describing Saudi Arabia rather than Lebanon. Lebanon is one of the more liberal countries in the Middle East. Although, you can't get too liberal in the Middle East-that's true
sunn o))) have occasional tier 6 moments. *ducks. Axis Of Perdition scrapes into 6 occasionally too.
Not a fan of the music but I observe it as a form of entertainment. Black metal had its heyday in the '90's and early 2000's. But there are so many artists now and they're all so similarly wired (to my ears) it's hard to really tell one from the other. IMO extreme music is heading in the direction of non-genre specific metal. Bands like Meshuggah are doing things like taking thrash music and adding truly extreme blendings of percussion and guitars with unique vocals. Or Portal took death metal to an atmospheric place, a la norwegian black metal. Their music is truly chaos, something most bands require horrific visuals to attain. Again, not something I can sit there and listen to but fun to observe how this form of art is evolving from the sidelines.
Great video bro, I think you were spot on with your tiers. And a big thanx for Naked Whipper! I listened to Painstreak and got fucking goose bumps!
Great video. I would very much recommend Vessel of Iniquity too, one of my favourite discoveries of last year.
Of that’s some intense shit ! I’m pretty sure I still got his demo on vinyl
Yo. Been digging Blasphemy for a while. Thanks for the heads up with Naked Whipper. Shit is brutal! This is a really good list. I’m happy you spoke about deathspell without the, you know, um, stuff that has nothing to do with the music. Props for that. Question: where on the list would Portal and Wold be on?
Although he already featured Portal in his death metal iceberg video, he could also put Portal in the oddball tier. So, in a sense, Portal is oddball blackened death.
I could put Wold in the deep web tier. I could feature some other related bands to Wold such as Gnaw Their Tongues, Enbilulugugal, Ahulabrum, Mnima, Utarm, and a few others. Some very authentic underground bands such as Tritonchasm, Wheel of Sickies, Mhnunrrn, and Baxbakwalanuxsiwae.
Another few projects that could fit in the bottom tier could be Grausamkeit, Witchmoon, Friedhof, and Paysage D’Hiver.
Any chance we can get a list of these bands mentioned for looking up purposes? Thank you!
If you haven't seen it already, there's a pinned comment at the top with all the bands mentioned
@@skeletalremains8555 I did see it! Thanks for the thought to reply!
I don't know if these kinds of "tier lists" have any kind of meaning in the age of free-circulated information. My first BM experience was Ultima Thulee and To Cavirs, and then I moved on to more "popular" ones like Summoning and Eldamar to end up discovering more of the genre later.
Awesome video.
Damaar is a really good band. I myself was in a thrash metal band in Lebanon around the same time they were active.
I'm asking a few of their friends about any updates.. I'll let you know if I get anything.
Thanks for reminding me of them. Also, deathspell omega fuckk, stuck on them now.
Cheers
Yo. I got an answer from a direct old friend.
They became religious 😑
Oh hey you even used the iceberg graphic that I personally made like a decade ago. Its weird to see that keep popping up.
I had no idea you got yourself a blackout tattoo, looks good on you too.
Never in my life have I enjoyed black metal but I’m excited to give some of these bands a try! I’ve heard random inaudible black metal in the past and just wrote it off, but ima try to do this the right way this time🤘
how its going karen 🤣
Probably heard stalaggh
R.I.P Damaar
We also have MZ412 which is like if Abruptum met more traditional dark noise with the general feel of burzum
burzum will never be outdone. It was one man posessed with greatness
I feel like S T A L L A G G H should be there somewhere, probably in a seventh tier
eight tier and silencer or diagnose lebensgefahr
I would put some of the dsbm bands on the 7th or even the 8th tier
Projekt Terrror was a... it was a ride
i feel like the occasional instrumentals feel more noise-grind, no?
I thought he was going to bring up them in the last tier because you really can’t understand anything expect for screaming children
You made a great video there. I could use the names typed down, cause, as a non native i have problems understanding some names of the more obscure bands.
look at the pinned comment
@@wyattxhim ah, thank you so much! 😊😊🙏
Awesome list man. I think that one of the most batshit projects i have listened in a while is Tsalal. Just a total madness drenched sonic obliteration. I knew them listening to Tetragrammacide, like if that wasn't enough.
"Necro Black Metal"
Malaise - Bringer of Destruction
The most stripped down to the bones black metal demo out there. 1 riff per song
Luftwaffe Raid
Satanic Funeral
Obehag
Lethal Diabolic
Durthang
Nad
Actually, the band that made me love black metal was Mutiilation. As soon as I heard Transylvania I knew this genre is something magical...
I remember how claustrophobic Rites Through the Twillight of Hell felt when I was still discovering BM (long ago). This demo is still something extremely fascinating to me, even though I must be one of the only person to like this demo given how they could barely play their instruments at the time lol. But the production and smothering of the sound was so perfect in creating the atmosphere...
hey does anyone know the background song? The link in the description doesn't work anymore
Havent watched the video fully, but do you know these bands, archgoat and goatmoon
For me it was the opposite about the raw black metal. I always thought that this genre should sound like this and therefore, it became my favourite. I love the haunting atmosphere that raw black metal produces.
Yeah, I am under the impression that it is the essence of black metal, and the other genres are more about experimentation or finding other ways to express this, giving rise to extremely different things.
That being said, I've been into BM for so long now that I totally understand that newer fans may be put off by how barebones this stuff can be. Also, production quality has improved massively since then and as such it's very understandable that people may have a harder time than before to get back into this. (Also, I'm not a snob: it's a good thing production quality went up as it allows some stuff that wasn't really possible before. Good production quality can help enhancing brutality or specific feelings in ways that weren't possible before, overall helping to expand what black metal can be).
Recommended updates:
Level 1: Summoning: Just the first record "Lugburz" which is actually BM, Would add Venom and Bathory to a certain extend too
Level 2: Unanimated, Ancient Rites, Keep of Kalessin, Evol, Anaal Nathrakh, Necrophobic, Decameron, Satanized, Impaled Nazarene or more contemporarely: Sarastus: Enter the necropolis
Level 3: Belphegor, Mor Dagor, Forgotten Woods, Pest (both from SWE and from NOR),
Level 4: Abigor (especially "Fractal Possession"), Dodheimsgard, Mysticum (the first album)
Level 5: Nargaroth, Judas Iscariot, Katharsis (Germany), Graveland, Satanic Warmaster, Urgehal,
Level 7: There are plenty of those who just release cassettes or limited EP - Sombre Records from Germany were famous for releasing such bands
Level 8: Tape traded shit like the "Chainsaw gutsfuck" demo from Mayhem on tape.
Emit makes my heart beat again 🖤🔥
Greetings from Czech Republic! Master’s Hammer Rituál is such an amazing album.
heh, projížděl jsem kvůli tomu komentáře