Autumn Photography on Film Ends in Disaster :(

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  • Опубліковано 10 лис 2020
  • Autumn landscape photography on film using Fuji Velvia 50, my Hasselblad 501cm camera and my Fuji GX617 Panorama. It was all going so well. The colours were beautiful and I was enjoying a relaxing day of woodland film photography until I had my images processed. The photos from the Hasselblad 501cm came out very well, however the images from the GX617 were a disaster. Find out what happened at the end of the video.
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  • @buckfast69
    @buckfast69 3 роки тому +310

    A bad day out taking pictures is better than a good day in the office.

    • @chrisjonesfilm
      @chrisjonesfilm 3 роки тому

      Amen

    • @uncleants
      @uncleants 3 роки тому +1

      True. It's much like my brother in law says about river fishing, there is no such thing as a bad day's fishing. I'm no angler ... and to be honest I'm not sure he is, as every time he's ever taken me, he's caught bugger all. But spending a day by the river is just great in itself. Regarding the camera ... it's just one of those things you need to a bit wary of with older gear. If you plan on using it professionally, get it CLAed. It's not that expensive, all things considered and should avoid annoying consequences like this. Those beach shots look like they would have been great.

    • @EdAb
      @EdAb 3 роки тому +3

      Taking pictures is my day at the office... and I have had some pretty sh!$ days at the office. I like your positive attitude though. The world would be a better place with more positive attitudes.

    • @VladislavChanev
      @VladislavChanev 3 роки тому

      Oh, I should frame this above my desk :D

    • @zenphotojourney
      @zenphotojourney 3 роки тому

      So true! I love the days when I can spend all day out if I decide to and not have to be back in time for anything! It doesn't happen often but that makes days like that more valuable.

  • @donyee8970
    @donyee8970 3 роки тому +6

    As photographers, we all have the same struggles in getting the image. That what makes the good ones so special.

    • @PedroKin
      @PedroKin 3 роки тому

      Totally, but somehow people that see our work always think we always get the shot

  • @beauchampy
    @beauchampy 3 роки тому +20

    Thomas, can I just say.. these videos bring me so much joy. I feel as though I am on this trip with you, the sounds, the colours, your peaceful, gentle and methodical approach to photography. I learn so much from these, and I just want to say thank you for making them.

  • @davelindey8023
    @davelindey8023 3 роки тому +1

    I have no idea what possesses someone to dislike your content especial the numbers. Since I've been following you over the past 2 years I find it insightful, informative and enjoy your candid approach. Keep up the good work.

  • @Neds_Severed_Head
    @Neds_Severed_Head 3 роки тому +23

    I also noticed how long the leaves seem to be hanging on this year. It's pretty awesome!

    • @-grey
      @-grey 3 роки тому +4

      Warmer climates later in the year. 😬

    • @dalvittra
      @dalvittra 3 роки тому

      Where I live all leaves were gone by early october. It do be like that almost every year

    • @ursli893
      @ursli893 3 роки тому

      And as a lot of us have been staying inside (thx to COVID) for a longer time this year, I guess we also appreciate it even more

    • @dalkapur
      @dalkapur 3 роки тому

      I was saying that to my missus just the other day. Really enjoyed my woodland photography this year.

  • @MadsPeterIversen
    @MadsPeterIversen 3 роки тому +4

    It is so fascinating to see your journey with analog photography! :)

  • @iqbaltrojan
    @iqbaltrojan 3 роки тому

    Your videos are continued source of inspiration. They always have this serene quality that I need after doing accounting work all day. They get me to go out and shoot so thank you.

  • @GaryTischer
    @GaryTischer 3 роки тому +5

    Ahhh ... the joys of film cameras. But surely it has a second back up film like the two card slots in a digital camera. ;) That's right, they didn't .... and you don't know that it had a problem until you get the film back from the processor. All us who have been in the photography game for over 25 years has experienced this type of thing before. Digital cameras (even with single card slots) are so great. And so is your channel Thomas :)

  • @jimwlouavl
    @jimwlouavl 3 роки тому +1

    The long-range image with that Zeiss telephoto looked sharp and saturated. Glass like that is just amazing. Thanks for sharing.

  • @AmadoWildlifeVideos
    @AmadoWildlifeVideos 3 роки тому +6

    I'd just told a friend about your vids, how they're full of existential angst, and one hour later you drop this!

  • @zigatretjak75
    @zigatretjak75 3 роки тому +2

    Old cameras have this glitch with the aperture blades. Besides servicing, I was advised to regularly release the camera by going through all f stops at each shutter speed. Doing this every 4 months and haven’t had a problem in 2 decades. Gorgeous autumn you have, indeed

  • @kawiemer
    @kawiemer 3 роки тому

    It is important to have knowledgeable resources to help lead you in the right direction. Glad you have answers.

  • @Upstart800
    @Upstart800 3 роки тому +4

    Alright Thomas, I’m drooling over the 350mm super achromat. Great shot too.

  • @jenniejudd834
    @jenniejudd834 3 роки тому

    I admire your honesty to share not just your successes but also when things don’t always go right. Mr H is human 😉 thanks for another great video 👍

  • @Sarmor1985
    @Sarmor1985 3 роки тому

    It is part of the pleasure of being behind and with those cameras. Learning again and again and reshaping "reliability". It felt so good watching this, listening to the sound of the wind in the trees. Thanks for your production here : it is amazing. And really looking forward for you being overexcited with one golden photograph made with that Fuji beast !

  • @davyboyo
    @davyboyo 3 роки тому

    Glad you're sticking with the 617, I can't wait to see what you do with it when it comes back. Thanks mate!

  • @pete-c
    @pete-c 3 роки тому

    Thanks Thomas another brilliant Vid

  • @willprice7475
    @willprice7475 3 роки тому +1

    I'm so happy this experience hasn't soured you on shooting film. Some people hit something like this and just give up and go back to digital, trying to forget about the whole experience. Excited to see the results when you have a properly functioning camera.

  • @markhofman3088
    @markhofman3088 3 роки тому

    Totally agree on autumn, its awesome this year... Good light to everyone😊❤️😃📸

  • @aptuts
    @aptuts 3 роки тому

    This is the only channel where I first click on like button and then watch the video... I have been following you since many many years and I still love your videos. I know how much effort you put to make this 15 minutes video. Thank you for creating this great channel and putting efforts

  • @PetarGames
    @PetarGames 3 роки тому

    Actually, the first image made me cry, it's really tranquil! Great job!

  • @marilyngiannuzzi9867
    @marilyngiannuzzi9867 3 роки тому

    Just amazingly,beautiful,colors that u have captured!👏👏

  • @steveconnor746
    @steveconnor746 3 роки тому +4

    On the subject of Autumn Colours, I was in The Benmore Botanic Gardens in Dunoon last month just after the rain. Fantastic reds and yellows, not to mention the giant redwood trees. Got some great images.

  • @greggreaves1727
    @greggreaves1727 3 роки тому +1

    I know you're not satisfied with the end result, but, speaking for myself.... your videos catch the essence of a great day out with the camera(s). So, while you may think of it as a disaster, the content you created in capturing the day is gold to like-minded photographic artists.

  • @typeraver
    @typeraver 3 роки тому

    I have such a love hate relationship with film. Once an owner of a Linhof Master Technika and a Hasselblad 500c, the trial and errors, the light leaks, sticky shutter, troubled popup viewfinder and then the digital side of scanning and dust spotting, pheeew! However, when you nail that shot and it comes out perfectly, the joy and sense of achievement you get is unmatched.

  • @theosolberg
    @theosolberg 3 роки тому +3

    I agree, I haven't shot as beautiful autumn colours as this year in a long time. So that's not just here in the Netherlands, but also in the UK. Also more colourful and bigger fungi here this year.

  • @rhinewater
    @rhinewater 3 роки тому +1

    The desire to make panoramic photos is what got me into photography in the first place, and there was (and still is) a part of me that wants to be doing it with a 617 camera, on Velvia. But I also know that the reality is that I just wouldn't get around to using it.
    I am, however, very much enjoying it vicariously through your videos, so please keep at it.

  • @WillPhipps
    @WillPhipps 3 роки тому

    Lovely video. I'm loving these local shoots, it shows that great images are achievable so I don't need to travel off to far away lands

  • @kronkite1530
    @kronkite1530 3 роки тому +1

    Absolutely love the Velvia photos. Not to mention THAT Hasselblad lens. So much want!

  • @stephenthomas8288
    @stephenthomas8288 3 роки тому

    Great Video Tom. I cried with you when I saw that almost clear negative. Not that you tried, your camera let you down. I agree with your last commenter "A bad day out taking pictures is better than a good day in the office.
    "

  • @Illuminationsfromtheattic
    @Illuminationsfromtheattic 3 роки тому +1

    Fall colors have been particularly good here in the Pacific Northwest this year. Usually they're gone by early November, but this year the first week of November was the peak for autumn color.

  • @seantomlinson3320
    @seantomlinson3320 3 роки тому

    Nice shots you did get. Beautiful use of the velvia.

  • @scotty4418
    @scotty4418 3 роки тому

    was a cracking first image Thomas and all being well you will get the camera back and be producing some great images from it.

  • @75_oranges
    @75_oranges 3 роки тому

    Fantastic video! I'm really happy you show the mistakes in your videos and don't only show the best! Makes me feel a little better about my images aha

  • @juliankrauss6172
    @juliankrauss6172 3 роки тому

    Besides your content (which is why I came), I have to say I appreciate the way you present yourself (which is why I hit the subscribe button). I generally don’t like the smell of inauthenticity and narcissism when watching many of the UA-cam channels out there, anyway, here I have got a different feeling and it inspires me to see how genuinely passionate you are about your thing. But it is nice to learn more about how to take pictures in the wild as well. Keep up!

  • @camali_ch
    @camali_ch 3 роки тому

    I cannot wait to see how the saga of the Fuji GX617 continues.
    Lovely video!

  • @abdulrazacksyed41
    @abdulrazacksyed41 3 роки тому

    Fantastic photography explained

  • @OldPongGeezer
    @OldPongGeezer 3 роки тому

    Thanks for sharing this! It's nice to know I'm not the only one that gets those overexposures. I appreciate how you put this story together, made me laugh!

  • @FrankCrispo
    @FrankCrispo 3 роки тому +1

    I'll probably get flack for this but I've had enough of these episodes where it's all about the camera. I come here for your photography adventures and you explaining the story around your photographs. That's what you're good at and that's what attracted me to your channel. I don't care what camera you use to take your photos with as long as you do what you're good at. Taking photos. So please stop shlepping this panoramic camera and all the other cameras you've been experimenting with. If you want to experiment with cameras, go ahead, have fun with them but please don't center your videos around them where they become the subject and the photos are secondary. 😊😉

  • @cmichaelhaugh8517
    @cmichaelhaugh8517 3 роки тому

    Fabulous fall in Western New York also.

  • @robertstephens1868
    @robertstephens1868 3 роки тому

    Well, Tom, I guess you could give us a practical talk on the subject of frustration! I believe it’s helpful for all of us to show the failures as well as successes. That’s real life. Thanks for sharing your experience. Before I get too old I must come to the UK during the spectacular autumn season. I’m from far away Sydney, Australia, where we hardly have distinct seasons.

  • @esphilee
    @esphilee 3 роки тому

    Another nice video.

  • @johnround8311
    @johnround8311 3 роки тому

    The image of the trees below the cliff is excellent.

  • @tjsinva
    @tjsinva 3 роки тому

    Persistence is the key.💪💪 Rock on!

  • @chasingmanhattan
    @chasingmanhattan 3 роки тому

    So glad you're not just giving up on the camera :)

  • @cwetfeet
    @cwetfeet 3 роки тому +3

    "The last time I went out with that camera I made all the mistakes it's possible to make", I can't believe you said that.

    • @sonholee5769
      @sonholee5769 3 роки тому

      seriously... jinx and double jinx

  • @ijustfelldown
    @ijustfelldown 3 роки тому

    Finally, the Wednesday video. Been waiting all day yesterday for this! (GMT +5:30 timezone haha)

  • @ralfkrahe2493
    @ralfkrahe2493 3 роки тому

    Spectacular fall colors! Velvia really makes them pop. ... Nothing more frustrating than mechanical equipment malfunction, when everything else is perfectly lined up for the shot.

  • @charliejg
    @charliejg 3 роки тому

    Loved this video.....

  • @LeePelling
    @LeePelling 3 роки тому

    Such a shame about that camera , hopefully as you say it will be returned in full working order, as ever really enjoying your content and appreciate all the hard work that goes into making them , thanks

  • @KevinOutdoors
    @KevinOutdoors 3 роки тому

    Hey man, excellent video just the same. Probably even better because it is real and honest experience, that's why I watch. And, this is how learning is achieved, from mistakes. Stay safe and all the best from Canada!

  • @brycepinson8641
    @brycepinson8641 3 роки тому

    Love the square image of the tree. Its the type of image that my eye doesn't normally "see". That really can be a mood killer to have equipment fail like that. I have a Zeiss lens off for repair after it began to have sticking aperture blades. Like you, I anxiously await its return.

  • @501CM
    @501CM 3 роки тому

    It is great you do these videos using film cameras, I think the best images on your current calendar are the film ones.

  • @ihidnan
    @ihidnan 3 роки тому

    Love that first image!

  • @pavelnavarro2421
    @pavelnavarro2421 3 роки тому

    WoW that drone shot

  • @Sanemancured
    @Sanemancured 3 роки тому

    A few weeks back I was up in Perthshire. The colours were totally awesome. I live in the Lakes and there was no comparison. Reds and oranges especially. Glen Lyon particularly.

  • @antony19811000
    @antony19811000 3 роки тому +1

    Love your vedios! Always being a bit jealous when I see you roaming freely in the wilderness, or exploring new landscapes, which I would love to do as well, however having limited opportunities

  • @fairwayfrank
    @fairwayfrank 3 роки тому

    I can't say I enjoy your sharing your struggles, but it's nice to know I'm not alone. Had sticky shutter issues recently with my Canonette RF, just not sure it's worth the cost of a CLA. But the struggle is part of the film processes, whether it's with the gear our with ourselves. The best we can do is enjoy it. And I very much enjoy your film posts.

  • @silverphotographylife9196
    @silverphotographylife9196 3 роки тому

    Loving your interest in film lately. I'm sure it's an easy fix on the panoramic camera. Look forward to you trying it out once all OK. Those images on Velvia have great saturation, perfect for UK weather.

  • @joeiscoffee
    @joeiscoffee 3 роки тому

    Wicked smart naming the camera store where you bought the Fuji.
    Looking forward to seeing your work when you get it back fixed.

  • @philduch
    @philduch 3 роки тому

    Just Purchased your calendar Thomas.
    Thanks for all the tips you gave throught all your videos. I follow your channel since maybe almost 2 years now.
    Keep on going
    Peace
    Philippe From Belgium

  • @yendy85
    @yendy85 3 роки тому

    I love the first picture🤩

  • @Twa-Dags
    @Twa-Dags 3 роки тому +1

    I recognise those belted galloways. I wondered where you were at first 😂

  • @sebastiantrandafir5607
    @sebastiantrandafir5607 3 роки тому

    I keep my fingers crossed that you will get the shutter repaired! Please stay on the ball with your 617, I really enjoy how you slowly but surely get the right feeling for it. Film photography is riddled with so many mistakes, especially with 6x17 it really gets on your nerves ... I speak from my own experience with my 6x17 Panos. Still, I love the format and the well-exposed slides on the light table! When I look through the magnifying glass, it always seems to me as if I were just back at the location and seeing the landscape through binoculars.
    Kind regards, Seb

  • @wallybeep
    @wallybeep 3 роки тому

    This? A particularly good one, Thomas.

  • @Alister_Benn
    @Alister_Benn 3 роки тому

    Great video mate , loved that first square. Super to talk yesterday and looking forward to meeting up when we can.

  • @MtScarFinger
    @MtScarFinger 3 роки тому

    I'd also noticed the better autumn colours this year, thought it was just me going crazy from lockdown!

  • @mikegindling4236
    @mikegindling4236 3 роки тому

    I had the same problem with my Yashica Mat on my 2nd roll of film. My local camera shop said it would cost more to repair than the camera was worth. The camera was in such mint condition that I could not just let it sit on a shelf, so I got it repaired. I now love taking pictures with it and do not even think about the repair cost.

  • @MichaelGAubrey
    @MichaelGAubrey 3 роки тому +1

    When I saw the tele in your bag at the beginning, I thought: "Wait, is that? No, it couldn't be. Is it?" And it was. A gorgeous piece of glass that I'll likely never see.

    • @smaakjeks
      @smaakjeks 3 роки тому

      The kind of lens where you push to upload a less than perfect picture just to list the numbers for those in the know?

  • @AlexMcDougallPhotography
    @AlexMcDougallPhotography 3 роки тому

    At least you didn't have the disaster that I did on my last vlog. Thanks for sharing.

  • @MattFreestonePictures
    @MattFreestonePictures 3 роки тому +2

    I can vouch for Park Cameras too. I’m lucky to have them very close by here in Sussex. Looking forward to an amazing shoot with the pano one day, Thomas! I salute your perseverance!

    • @richardfrancis5683
      @richardfrancis5683 3 роки тому +1

      Same here. I recently had to take a secondhand camera back to them. They exchanged without evening looking at the camera. It's the reward of using local. :)

    • @greenbrightly
      @greenbrightly 3 роки тому +1

      I think this will get fixed quickly by Park Cameras.

  • @nelsonclub7722
    @nelsonclub7722 3 роки тому

    Park Cameras will not let you down. They are super. I also have the Apo but with the extender - I use it on the 203FE but also - horrors - with a 907x and XHV adaptor - it really is the dogs wotsits - but the 250 is equally astonishing too

  • @BKCNTRY
    @BKCNTRY 3 роки тому

    I have had the same feelings about the autumn colors this year.

  • @josephasghar
    @josephasghar 3 роки тому

    Important to show the failures as well as the successes. Even the best of us are prone to suffer. But the film experience is worth it.

  • @deanscottx1473
    @deanscottx1473 3 роки тому +9

    We have faith in you! Such a shame about the sticky shutter. I love how diverse the channel has become with your range of film cameras. Keep doing you!

  • @evelasq1
    @evelasq1 3 роки тому

    Good luck on the repair

  • @JeffCorcelius
    @JeffCorcelius 3 роки тому

    Man, I really wanna see some awesome panoramics with that camera! Keep it up Thom!

  • @harleyjaffar
    @harleyjaffar 3 роки тому

    Ha, I had my eye on that camera on the Park website and was annoyed with myself for letting someone else snap it up, glad I didn’t get it now. Love the video by the way.

  • @joel.wuestehube
    @joel.wuestehube 3 роки тому

    I am trying to give a thumb's up for nearly every video I watch from my subscribed channels. More or less by habit. But since you are saying it's the easiest way to support you it's feeling like "my man Thomas! sure I got your back!" Everytime I hit the like button.
    Nice work again, never thought I would watch film photography videos regularly, and I think I would never had if you hadn't started with it

  • @AndyNoblePhotography
    @AndyNoblePhotography 3 роки тому

    Still looks like you had a great time out in the forest. Beautiful place, really loved the square crop beech tree. Hope that Fuji gets fixed & we get to see the awesomeness that it’s capable of 😃👍🏻

  • @llewdis
    @llewdis 3 роки тому

    love the colors in that 350mm image.

  • @rickdenbraber6869
    @rickdenbraber6869 3 роки тому

    Love the T SHIRT.

  • @sunnykdddnkh
    @sunnykdddnkh 3 роки тому

    One might start to think this one’s a little click baity but the title very accurately represents IMO the feeling that you’d get if you find out you were shooting the whole 100 photos with no memory card (which the fuji allows you to do) or that you over exposed all your shots due to a glitch.. I appreciate the videos that show the other aspects of photography which aren’t as rosy and exciting and uplifting .. Goes to prove I am not alone .. Thanks Tom.

  • @geoffreypiltz271
    @geoffreypiltz271 3 роки тому +1

    One thing I always do with a used camera when I first receive it is open the back and fire the shutter at all speeds for a visual check that the shutter does work and that the speeds look about right in comparison with each other.

  • @grahambarnett6107
    @grahambarnett6107 3 роки тому

    We are waiting in anticipation lol, If anything a bit of a relief to know it was not something you was getting wrong.

  • @ShaunM-xw1em
    @ShaunM-xw1em 3 роки тому

    Hi Tom, You have taught me so much about photography for free over the years. About time l repayed the compliment! One of those cows looked very like a bull to me! If one of the cows had been in season, he may have not been so friendly to you! Having said that l think they where belted Galways who are normally chilled. Great watch as ever.

  • @Florian-dg7mi
    @Florian-dg7mi 3 роки тому

    Some Nick Carver vibes here! Loved this video and the photos. You seem to be more free and more you in front of the camera.

  • @billmarsh7760
    @billmarsh7760 3 роки тому

    Don't give up on that Fuji 6x17, Tom! It will produce spectacular images, once the shutter gremlin is sorted out.

  • @kansascityrc
    @kansascityrc 3 роки тому

    The fall colors lasted about a day here in Kansas, the worst I've seen here in my area. Glad you're getting some epic colors though Tom!

  • @BRIONIDESIGN
    @BRIONIDESIGN 3 роки тому

    Well done, I am sure you will remember this failure shot much much longer until end of your life then if it was just another panorama shot...it happened to me 36 years as a young photographer and still today this is a shot that I remember the most(Boris Becker jumped in front of me on Ectahrome PUSH 2000 ISO film....over over exposed or wrongly processed...

  • @joao.s.cardoso
    @joao.s.cardoso 3 роки тому

    Looks like you have a new item on your bucket list :D

  • @aquaticcolledgefishing
    @aquaticcolledgefishing 3 роки тому

    No luck whatsoever Tom 🤣 can't wait for you to get it back and perfect its potential 👌

  • @FranzFridl
    @FranzFridl 3 роки тому

    The way you fight with the umbrella and the sticks is the same way I fight with life 🤣

  • @AshleyWoodhams
    @AshleyWoodhams 3 роки тому

    Hi Thomas. This video popped up on my YT home page. Very happy it did. Now lots of past content to check out and looking forward to future ones too! Sub'd.

  • @ihidnan
    @ihidnan 3 роки тому

    Fall color here in New Hampshire in the US has been amazing! The best in years.

  • @iandavis1355
    @iandavis1355 3 роки тому

    Have you noticed the skies since the start of the pandemic? They are so clear and the colours during sunrise and sunset are wonderful, particularly if there are high and wispy clouds overhead.

  • @bgrzesiak5996
    @bgrzesiak5996 3 роки тому

    As those shutters sit for months or years, lubricants MAY gum up. Best to follow the old idea of advancing each shutter speed three times every month to keep them in good shape (once you get that one refurbished).
    I once sent my 617(I am a retired Fuji Pro Rep) to the North Pole with a client and it was the ONLY camera that worked in that extreme cold. Not even the specially prepped Leica's made it. And it was just my sample 617 with nothing special done to it.
    The only problem was the film itself shattered when advanced due to the cold, but the shutter never stopped working.

  • @seventysevencats
    @seventysevencats 3 роки тому

    Damn, 17 minutes gone in a flash. Your channel reminds me of the old Top Gear, as I I'm going through the old videos while waiting for the next episode.

  • @theweirdroad
    @theweirdroad 3 роки тому

    Loooovvvee that long lens! I hesitate shooting on my rz67 because of the lack of longer telephoto lenses available

  • @54321djg
    @54321djg 3 роки тому

    I've gotta say Tom, as I remain isolated indoors with COVID, your uploads are a big highlight of the week.
    You were right to be cautious of the cows. I've walked past a herd as placid as the ones you encountered, but I have also been charged across a field.
    Really enjoying your film work recently and great images as usual 👍

    • @54321djg
      @54321djg 3 роки тому

      @Tom Geldon 🤣 I'm not prepared to pepper spray a cow, if that's where this is going.

    • @54321djg
      @54321djg 3 роки тому

      @Tom Geldon Spraying a rampaging bull from three feet away while running across a field seems a classic case of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.
      If I'm out in nature, the absolute last thing I want to do is harm an animal, (let alone pepper spraying one in the face!) especially when a bit of common sense, knowledge and cautiousness works just fine.
      I'm pretty sure it's illegal to carry it anyway.

    • @54321djg
      @54321djg 3 роки тому

      @Tom Geldon just not for me, pal