Smokers saved the aged care system ? Starmer is wrong?
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
- Do smokers smash the health system by being sick all the time? This video looks at some interesting statistics. By on-average dying early - do they save the country a fortune in aged-care costs? Sir Humphrey Appleby had something to say about this matter too.
The older I get the more I realise that ‘Yes Minister’ wasn’t a comedy; it was a documentary.
I would have thought that obesity is a bigger burden on healthcare.
It is, by a country mile.
They should put a price signal (tax) on it so families drop their swimming pool subscriptions in favour of that juicy doub quato pounda temptation.
That will improve health :)
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P.S. Obesity is the highest health care expense, even with the skewed smoking related figures.
You are more likely to suffer prescribed smoking related illnesses from poor lifestyle even if your a non smoker.
That and immigration.
I agree, I've never smoked but smokers are paying a fortune in tax so they probably contribute more money than anyone, when I played sports the local hospital was always full on Sunday morning with sports people with injuries, later in life lots of people who have played sports need new knees, hips and other ailments so sport also costs the NHS lot's of money, obesity seems to be the main cost though
Ha! Puns.
My wife is a nurse. She says the biggest problem is obesity.
That is actually correct. We should put higher taxes on cigs and fuel to cover it :)
What about the heavy tax on tobacco goods? Where does that money go?
consolidated revenue.
Ukraine?
It was originally introduced to cover the smoker health care system costs. It now just goes to general revenue and not health care.
Not to remedying the consequences of smoking.
Around $40 to $50 for a packet of 25 cigarettes in Australia.
The government in Australia has essentially turned tobacco products into prohibition with their taxes and have now created a huge criminal enterprise. A packet of cigarettes cost $40 plus AUD but same pack in Singapore cost $3 SG. The tax is obscenely high and shows how addicted our government is to cigarettes. The govt can’t afford for smokers to give up.
$90 for a packet of 40
Singapore banned vaping to protect their tobacco excise, a packet of 20 in Singapore is 12-15 SG depending on brand and shop, 15 SG is around 16 AUD.
Here in the UK, I remember the chancellor (Gordon Brown) stating in an interview that he couldn't further raise duty on cigarattes because the black market would simply grow to keep up!
Today I bought a pack of 20 Marlborough Red for $10 and a vape for $30. Illegal ciggies are everywhere now.
Prohibitively expensive => prohibition
A huge burden on the economy is the incredibly wasteful spending of governments, the constant ridiculous bureaucratic interference in business and daily lives, and stupid projects like giving away our gas reserves to foreign companies, or ports for China, or razing the Great Dividing Range for wind and solar farms, etc, etc, etc... Smokers and health cost discussions are just distractions from the real issue of deeply corrupted politics and governance.
to end up having not enjoying smoking throughout your life for a few extra years in a delightful care home dribbling in a chair
As someone who's never smoked, there must be something magical in tobacco. The smell is so vile that even if I needed to do it to stay alive I don't think I could manage.
Smokers have bad skin, smell, are unhealthy and are unfit. Therefore poorer, less attractive and lower wellbeing. Similar story for drinkers. Nicotine however has benefits which is why the establishment want smoking banned.
I smoked since I was 14 yo but I smoke outside because of the smell that stinks up the house if you didn't have windows wide open im38 yo
The problem with your argument is that smoking related deaths aren't quick. It's likely that the death will involve plenty of dribbling.
@@AK-np4rpVery true. These idiotic arguments are clearly not thought through.
They assume that if they get Ill through it then it means they'll dodge what a elderly non smokers suffer.
They reality is it will likely mean more suffering for longer.
I had 2 relatives die of smoking related diseases. One made it to a decent age the other not. The common factor though was the last 10 to 15 years for both them was absolute misery with being more and more immobile and hooked up to breathing machines.
I've been smoking nearly 55years, have no health issues, been in hospital twice in my life (total of 3 days) and don't have need for GP. Can anyone enlighten me on how much I have cost the Health System and how much tobacco tax I have paid.
As all the smokers die does anyone think the Government ISN'T going to get those billions(12.7 in 2122/ of $$ from someone else?
Thank you for your contribution towards paying off the national debt, and allowing politicians to have salary increases :)
P.S. That money no longer goes to health care, it just goes into general revenue. If you are a smoker and want health car then you will have to pay for that separately :)
Similar stopped smoking cigarettes a while back but still smoke cigars.. only been in hospital twice bone growing out of place in my ankle at 7 yrs old & broken arm at ten years old.. started 13 stopped once for 7 years (fully quit) & this time a year so far (except cigars).. haven’t used the doctors in 12 years, don’t take any medication never caught any during wuflu.. eat well (no junk food & exercise still in shape at 48..
@@axle.student 😂😂 I don’t want NHS health care I’ll take care of myself hence not using them in 12 yrs haven’t even had a common cold, so I think I be alright 😂😂
Same here. Been smoking roll-ups 45 years. Never have so much as a cold or cough. Hospital once due to car crash
One example does not prove a rule. The average smoker will experience poorer health and equally some of those who never smoked will have bad health.
That said, as long as your habit only affects you, I could not care what you do.
I researched this for a pre-degree essay about 10 years ago, at the time in the UK the tobacco tax raised around twice the amount it cost to treat smoking related diseases, the smokers were actually subsidising the NHS
The tax rate must be even higher now
Its about £17 for 20 cigarettes so yes I believe we do cover our health care
Same can be said for processed foods.
Masterpiece. Thankyou, have sent it far and wide, and I hate smoking.
In Australia, smoking related illness costs are approximately $AUD2.5 billion, tax paid by smokers to the government exceeds $AUD12 billion.
I absolutely HATE cigarette smoke, but it's a legal substance and the level of tax smokers pay is insane.
My 71 year old wife is still working 20 to 25 hours per week. I don't know how many smokes a day she has but she has no sickies in fact she was told by her boss she had to take her annual leave because she had not taken any in her first 10 years. She has been smoking since her teens.
Self selected sample of one. Completely meaningless.
Govts are hating on tobacco but allow alcohol and fast food 😂
Those things aren't near as likely to impact them. Smoke 'fouls' their air. YOU aren't their concern as much as THEY are.
I love the emphasis on science staying factual and without ideological injection so as not to lose its trustworthiness. What an important thing to campaign for in this day and age.
There is a thing called dignity of risk. If I smoke then so can you, if you want to. I don't want to be a skydiver or a soldier but I could if I wanted too. I don't play sports, break bones and other injuries regularly but I could if I wanted too. I do drive a car, and you probably do too but I choose not to drive stupid but you might, and you have that right. So if it's about money then no more dangerous activities, no more sport, no more cars. And yes no smoking then. Australian smoker 😊 and very high tax payer.
Oh let's not forget the overall cost burden as a result of alcohol consumption.
@8.40, There is C.P. Snow, cigarette in hand....
I've smoked for over 55 years, born of smokers into a household of smokers, back when Doctors and nurses too smoked, yes I was a nurse.. no smoking related health problems, French study said nicotine helps to prevent a certain virus.. Seems to be working so far. I pay taxes on cigarettes/tobacco, higher life insurance premiums etc etc.. I will be a number on a docket and a statistic in a book when I get recycled, as will everyone else smokers/non smokers alike. Already into my 3 score years and 10.
Sorry, but you're deluded if you think smoking is good for you. But it's a legal substance and it's your right to smoke if you want.
I heard this too. Caught covid which only lasted 4 days. I vape. Took 5 months to get over 1 AZ jab
There were articles about this at the beginning of ‘Covid’. Not enough smokers in the emergency room. The theory is nicotine displaces the spike protein from certain receptors in the body. The free floating spike is then flushed by the body’s detox systems. Also nicotine is a powerful anti inflammatory. More info at BrianArdis.
@@albert7311and nicotine (via smoking) provides neurological benefits,..... "improve cognitive impairment in disease-induced cognitive disorders, including Alzheimer's disease (AD), Parkinson's disease (PD), age-associated memory impairment, ..."
@@albert7311 funny that, i only got covid once i tried to stop smoking
Smokers are a massive massive profit for the health care industry.
It no longer goes to health care. It just goes to general revenue. Likely paying for a politician pay increase :)
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Love this channel. Learn so much, have a good laugh and feel a lot smarter at the end of it. Keep up the great Work!
Nice dose of sanity to oppose the idealogy,Dr Ridd.
Dr. Valter Longo mentions a French woman, died at 117, who smoked a cigarette every day until her Dr. convinced her to quit (like when she was 115 or something). My reaction was... WTF kind of idiot urges someone over 100 to change ANYTHING they're doing?
Jeanne Calment.
@@DavidJones-pv8zu Thx!... so I was wrong. She quit smoking at 117... died at 122! And it sounds like it was two cigs a day (acc. to the wiki on her).
Covid days would have been a great time to have pushed fitness and reduced smoking and encouraged weight loss.
Would have....
@DavidVavra Nope. It was found that smokers were LESS likely to contract covid.
As non-smoker, there is too much of setting one group up against another. Tobacco duties bring in £8.8 billion pa whereas the consequence of smoking diseases costs the NHS £2.6 billion per annum. Reach your own conclusions.
I did the maths about 8 years ago...the profit the government made out of smokers after palliative care and other health issues would astound you. Without going into details the government made around A$38,000 out of each and every smoker that passed away from lung cancer. That's if the smoker smoked for 30 years.
Its interesting. I live in in a community that has historically had a dis-proportionally high number of smokers. ~75% of the people I have had to watch go under due to prescribed smoking diseases were non smokers. That's subjective, like I said there is very high rate of smokers.
Great observation. I would add that the smoking tax was intended to reduce health care costs and increase individual health but has had the opposite effect. We now spend more on health care than at any time in history, and the overall health, happiness and well being of nations has never been poorer. Healthcare service is also poorer than ever. Smoking has certain benefits, such as reduced appetite, increased focus, reduced stress and promotes socialization and relaxation.
A well known economic principle is that increasing tax rates actually reduces total tax revenues. Taxes are a penalty on work, thus increased taxes discourages work. Fewer people working less hard over time results in a vicious cycle of decreasing productivity and tax revenue, and services can only be maintained by government debt which results in inflation. Economic hard times have resulted in an opioid and homelessness epidemic because high taxes hit the poor hardest.
Furthermore, where is the increased overall health and well being of society that was expected? An obesity epidemic, a mental health epidemic. A cancer epidemic. Social cohesion and individual freedom under threat. Even infectious disease epidemics (if you believe we actually experienced a real respiratory disease epidemic recently).
The best of intentions with the worst of results. I expect that carbon taxes will have a similar effect if not worse.
Such is the cost of poorly done science and socialism.
I really enjoy your vlogs. A little humour with facts and thought provoking subjects. The first Aussie I have enjoyed listening to 😊 even though i know you're a Brit 🇬🇧
Its the sausages that cause all the problems, (see the UKPM's conference speech).
Its amazing that with all the issues going on in the UK at the moment, the only thing the witless Starmer and the previous incumbent can think about is stopping people smoking.
This is very interesting. My father smoked from about the age of 7(he was born in 1915 and was paid in cigarettes for a paper round ) and continued on until his death aged 65. He drew 4 months of old age pension . He was never ill right up until he was made redundant at the age of 60. 5 years of unemployment meant he rarely left the home and would sit infront of the TV from getting up to going to bed. So when he did go, it was a thrombosis that did it.
This was blamed on the smoking and that obviously was a factor BUT I have always thought it was the sitting with no excercise that did the dead.
He was not overweight and was an army man for 16 years.
His brother who I believe was also a heavy smoker , lived into his 80s.
Smoking is often used to supress appetite. Obesity is in my mind anyway, far more of a burden to the health system than smoking.
Years ago, around mid 70s, I was with an insurance assessor reviewing damage to a truck at our garage. During the conversation he mentioned that 10% of ALL insurance premiums, whether motor vehicles, home, business and personal, was to cover the cost of smoking related damage from major fires to burns on furniture etc and even some car accidents caused by smokers distracted while lighting up. He wasn't surprised when I told him that the damaged truck had crashed because the driver dropped a lighted cigarette on his lap and while trying to brush it away had lost control of the vehicle!
Government has no business interfering in healthcare. There, that's sorted.
All your great videos should be compulsorily viewing for every student EVERY year . REAL science with real data .
Of course if we all ate a proper human diet i.e. animal based foods we wouldn't be a burden necessarily on health care. Old farts rule lol.
I used to, but can't afford the healthy foods anymore because of the tax.
People who eat low carb diets die younger than people who don't and saying that the proper human diet is (only) animal based foods flies in the face of both reason and evidence.
A very topical topic indeed mate. Earlier this year I stumbled upon an opportunity to have a late night discussion with an opposition politician and his off-sider about this matter. Fortunately I had had a quick look at the numbers beforehand so could let them know that the tobacco taxes collected in Australia now covered the entire federal health budget.
The original excuse for these progressively increasing taxes (now A$160 / 50 grams retail 😳) was to cover the increased burden on the cost of healthcare. The matter was left, by the lazy politicians, in the hands of idealist lobbyists and bureaucrats to "manage".
Same thing with alcohol.
Imagine if the same thing happens with the little bubbles we enjoy in our beers, sparkling wine and drink mixers (CO2) ?
Politics gone mad entirely.
Thanks for a great program 🍻
In Blackadder, Baldrick's entire family took up smoking to get the full set of Lord Flashheart cards 😂😂😂😂😂
Starmer is wrong about everything. But the people who really got it wrong are those who voted for him.
Tobacco control is out of control in Australia. Good and truthful video
There was a Ben Elton book, forgot the name, but it starts off set in the future where over population was such an issue in the UK that smoking had just been made compulsory 😊
Aside from the treatment of smokers, how come we've let in vapes? Explain that. These goverments have another reason for wanting to ban smoking - tax? or perhaps they want to kill the hospitality industry, or both?
Nicotine vapes have always been illegal to import or sell in Australia. Later they allowed doctor prescribed persons to import from overseas.
So, no over the counter vapes (nicotine) have always been illegal.
Spot on, Sir Humphrey was on the money, literally.
Smart people smoke. So I've been told!
Curious about what validation you have heard for that?
Not baiting or trolling, genuine curious about certain studies in developmental psychology.
@@axle.student Mate, it's an excuse, a lot of studies show smoker's have lower IQ than non-smokers. HAHAHA!
@@axle.studentnicotine (via smoking) has many beneficial cognitive and neurological effects. Use that questioning (biased), unsmoked brain of yours and google and learn......
Nicotine makes ya smarter
Politicians are a burden on the taxpayer kier starmer.
Anyone that has not worked out that politiciens lie continuously is destryong humanity
Look up Dr Ardis. His work on nicotine and the supposed effects are interesting to say the least.
Dubai $2 a pack, UK £13, smokers pay for their health care.
If everyone gave up smoking half the hospitals would have to shut due to lack of funds ( tax)
And what about drug addicts and binge drinkers of alcohol
Yes, binge drinkers and drunkards, not long-term functional alcoholics, cause the serious problems - property damage, humiliating incidents, drunk driving, etc. The three martini man collects his gold watch, pops into his easy chair, and passes quietly.
So......we create a National Health Service, to help people when they get ill. GREAT !!!! 😁
HOWEVER. When people do get ill and present themselves to that service.......they are being a drain on it !!!!
You lost me somewhere on that one.
I think it'd be good to compare France with Australia. Healthcare costs per capita in each country seem to be very similar as are life expectancy...yet France has a smoking rate almost 3 times that of Australia.
That's an interesting comparison.
And Japan, where a "smoking paradox" occurs, relative to most other western nations. Keep in mind, most if not all filtered cigarettes in Japan utilise a (charcoal) carbon activated filter, circa 1969 ---->
There are many other differences between Australia and France besides smoking rates. These include eg the pension, social security and aged care systems. So it might not be that enlightening.
It would probably be better to look instead at the costs of matched groups of smokers and non-smokers in Australia in terms of their use of healthcare, community care and aged care services. Plus their unemployment, disability and aged care pension costs.
i am a non smoker .the biggest problem that the NHS has is sugar and super processed foods.
I don’t care if you smoke or not…..IF YOU DO, DON’T THROW YOUR FVCKING CIGARETTE BUTTS ON THE GROUND OR OUT YOUR FVCKING CAR WINDOW!!!!!
As a council worker, if I had a cent for every cigarette butt I cleaned up, I’d be as rich as Croesus.
I tried smoking when I was 19, a couple of months into it, I came to the conclusion that 1) this shite is costing me money just to blow smoke out of my mouth, and 2) all its doing is giving me bad breath, and a sore throat.
I crushed the packet I had, and decided smoking was certainly not for me.
People choose to do different things and each of these activities come with a given set of risks. I don't choose to smoke, but do choose to participate in sports where I am likely to be injured. If we start banning things because they increase HC costs, where does it end? Individual freedom can't be a casualty.
fascinating topic, thanks for the video mate
Luv your work Peter 🙏
Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics.
This video i so rebellious it has to be censored for adults not to hear banned words...
Nicotine may be useful for combating graphine oxide.
Studies in the 1980's showed conclusively that smokers paid taxes on tobacco that more than covered their later illnesses associated with smoking. Society is disgusted and intolerant about so many issues these days so why not include those that smoke. Good to see you branching out with you channel.
Alcohol causes more legal and health costs than smoking. No one wants to factor the financial costs of the man hours lost due to the effects of alcohol, the families broken or destroyed, the crippled or the dead from impaired drivers, DV (alcohol is a known contributing factor), common assault, aggravated assault, Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, destruction of private or public property, etc.
This was hilarious and awesome! I've thought about this for years. Funny thing is now everyone wants to legalize weed.
How else are they going to tax it to pay for government offices.
Smoked from age 16 until 66. Got onto vaping and never touched a cig again. Now our govt is making it so difficult for us. I’m 76 and last time I saw Dr it was from complications after vax.
Interesting - Thanks 👍
I regularly get bombarded with private health cover comparison companies pushing me to switch to their favored insurance company of the day. I found out the Psychiatric cost are now the one insurance companies are worried about these are on going with potentially on going and not stopping. I said to him what about heart bypass surgery and they said yeah its a bit but nothing compared to high end psych costs these days. So if you drop the psychiatric costs on the insurance saves more money, also pregnancy costs or that to start a family.
Huh? What do psych care costs have to do with smoking??
I smoked for 50 years and have never used the medical system. I don't smoke anymore because it was just too expensive. I now hate the smell of smokers, which I now realise was me. Never smoked around our children or in closed doors but now they are on vapes because of their peers, against our advice, which is an ongoing cost for them.
I'm really glad I quit early and eventually also convinced my father to quit.
I haven't heard anyone smash smokers for costing the health care system. Surgeons don't operate on smokers because patients dying on their tables is bad for their reputation and insurance premiums.
The costs associated with alcohol use are astronomical. Ain't no way govt will impose a tax structure similar to that applied to tobacco.
I Love this Video ❤
Unfortunately YT doesn't allow adult discussion on this topic.
What about the enormous taxes the smokers pay on each box of the cigarettes,where does it go?
Every one I know seems to have stopped smoking. i can't imagine there are enough of them left to have any effect in the big picture.
Dr Ridd is one of my personal heroes.
Well done analysis and almost complete. Why, may I ask, in every discussion about smoking is the WHY ignored. Smokers smoke for a reason, not all just have a mad addiction. What about the biological effects, the calming and other manifest physical effects, and the questions change to other ways of effecting those changes for people in a timely manner without inhaling burnt vegetation. Or, going by other figures in the famed report of smoker V non-smoker lung cancer rates, asking the question, why did smokers who mixed cannabis in their cigarettes have the same instance of lung cancers as the non-smokers? Jusk asking. 😉
They also save the pension industry a fortune you even get a better payout on a annuity if you declare you smoke.Called enhanced annuity
Thank you professor
Ex-smokers hate smokers too
Have you thought about vaping and the recent destruction of this harm reduction system Australia wide sir?
Food/medical guidelines cost the most.
So that's why while I'm diabetic, nurses and doctors advise, but don't actually stop me from harming myself through eating some potatoes, because it looks better on the books if I die from a heart attack. Am I getting this right?
The biggest burdon on healthcare is the incredible lack of actual healthcare.
When I meet smokers I always thank them for their taxes , their reduced pensions , their participation to GDP ( both tobacco and pharmaceuticals) and their help in advancing cancer science.
Being scientifically honest but not very sociable…
Back when smoking was promoted, statistics showing that smoking can save a lot of money was communicated with governments. This is well established for more than 70 years now. That is why smoke taxes must go up, as smoker numbers go down. It is not to make the same money, is to make for more healthcare, pensions, etc.
I have smoked a box a day since I was 11, im 41 now, i rarely get sick.
If you're like my dad and just dealt with the pain until it was too late then his death was the thing that burdened the health system, not his treatment because he received none. Treatment for smokers is probably redundant anyways. There's no coming back from that one.
I worked in healthcare setting up oxygen for those who were terminally ill. I was very surprised to learn how many weren't smokers . Smokers accepted their condition much better than non smokers, who seemed to believe their 'halo' of healthy living would offer them some sort of immunity.
Truth is it's other chemicals in food and environment causing all the problems but smoking is used as a scapegoat to deflect blame while at the same time allowing extra revenue-raising thru taxes.
I've been smoking for 55 years. Rarely got sick in earlier years, now only see a doctor once a year. The amount of taxes I have payed on tobacco products, I should be eligible for 5 lung transplants😅 if I was inclined to follow the government food guidelines, and be 50lbs overweight, not having to pay taxes on sugar and carbohydrates it would cost the health care system 10 X as much!!!!!
Smoking? My experience with smoking goes back to when i was 9 years old when I had my first one. Smoked on and off. Started heavy when I got to 17(1991). Smoked till I was 22 quitting in April 1996. Taylor made cigs I found to be very bad but roll your own tobacco I enjoyed. Anyhow fast forward 26 years just after Government over reach started with convid i was sick from stress(Government) . Wife pushed me to have a cigar but I did not want to start smoking again(money). Well I thought fark it they Government will kill us before a smoke. First puff from a yummy cigar my nose cleared up and stopped coughing instantly. I have not stopped since. Government tax is evil. Some of us get to a age where we want to enjoy things but who does not want that?
Not to ignore the vape prohibition we now have, the most effective smoking cessation method is effectively banned.
Blame the smokers just don't blame PFI.
So if you follow the british PM thinking we should also be stopping illegal drug use - a far greater issue than smoking. I would be most interested in how he would deal with that and also see a cost comparison.
I gave up smoking in 2003, when the cost of a packet of B&H Extra Mild was just on $ 20 per pack of 20. My packet a day habit cost me $7.2k per annum. If price parity with Malboro reds has been maintained, then that same packet would now cost $54 (not $27 as in the video). Consequently, not counting the many health benefits, I would have saved some $200k or more over the past 20 years. Unfortunately, a large portion of this would have gone to other bad habits.
The sad reality is, that if everyone gave up smoking, the government would need to source the missing revenue elsewhere. Let's see what will happen when all the ICE powered vehicles will be forced off the roads and the government realizes how much they were getting from fuel excise and VAT.
That's why they want pay per kilometer taxes.
" these rules are for thee . . .
Not for me ! "
Across the board.
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I say " Drain the cesspool ! "
Smoke as you please, but just don't do it in front of coral :-)
Great. I posted a very well/carefully worded comment and it's gone. Held for review?
Sir Humphrey is OBVIOUSLY correct, then add in ALL the extra Tax paid over their working life. Given how our Government treats us & their Tax driven agender, I'm surprised they don't encourage smoking. PS I'm a non-smoker, but I support our rapidly diminishing RIGHT to choose what to DO, SAY & THINK !
What about smoking sausages, Kier Starmer, doesn’t that put a huge burden on the NHS? Loads of people with immune deficiency as a result of it…would you also ban sausage smoking?
And I must add,smokers save many potential lung cancer sufferers lives.not one person in the history of smoking has ever died of passive smoking.you have four sensitive membranes in each lung,which are horribly effected by pollution,smoking g protects these.i want to be around smokers all the time.
That's that, giving up right now !
The who clearly shows that of all my countrys mortality that is respiratory related, 20% more deaths per year are non smokers.
It's sad times when "ideology" has been turned into "idiology".
3:05 Do they mean that after 15 years, cost would be higher than they would otherwise be in 15 years, where no smokers quit? That's the only comparison that makes sense. Costs will inevitably go up over time, as they always do, it's only a matter of how much.
I used to think we landed on the moon till covid came along