How Much Better is a $10,000, 12kW SurRon Against Stock?!
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- Hey everyone. In today's video we are going to be comparing our built SurRons to our friends stock 2021 SurRon. Enjoy!
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Love the honesty and review
Awesome video as usual! That Built Ron is epic. Can you guys possibly do a weigh in of the two?
What kind of seat is that on the 10k bike?? More or less the set up i want.. i like the luna float seat but would like a lil longer..
What tires would you suggest for an upgrade with the stock wheels…for a mix of trail riding and on road riding
I love the build out guys, almost like two different bikes. I've mulled over doing this to my surry but just not sure. I sort of like the low key MTB look of the stock version, you can get away with it in places where if you had larger, fatter tires and more aggressive power, you might stick out more and could "get into trouble". I have a 160cc, custom build light weight dirt bike that sort of fills the need of that modded surron. 90+kph, full CR85 suspension, can ride all day on one tank and it has a clutch and four gears so it actually requires some skill to ride :P
Yeah main reason I even got interested in Sur Rons, I live in a suburb and can't go banging with a 450 dirtbike.. This would be very under the radar but still providing some fun! Do wish they made a upgraded sur ron version for a 1-2k more tho
one reason I chose the 16" rear is for racing purposes. I race pitbike races and the maddog class restricts you to 19/16 max wheel sizes. Offroad 21/18 is always going to be the best for roll over and ground clearance though. If you want a bike that can still do good on trails(better traction) and race in smaller bike classes where the chassis and wheels match, the 19/16 is great option and you only need to upgrade one one wheel. Also there are getting to be some great tire choices for the 16" as there are a few gummies where just a year or so it was only 18" options so you can keep weight down and crazy good traction. Theres alot of factors in wheel sizes for sure
I am convinced on the 19/16. Getting ready to order my 16" wheel now.
@@LarryRichelli it's worth it
Mine will be here.this week. I have a bac2000 already and ERT NXT display and a egg rider v2 I already run two ASI bac855's one a bbshd ebike so I'm a bit familiar with it and the nxt
Would like to see a fork set up video for the fast ace forks.. I've seen a few different vids on the subject but none on the fast ace frontend
Check out my vid bro unboxing video, I adjusted the forks using the top and bottom clickers to get about 15 percent riding sag
What are the top speeds of both?
Did you make the orange one taller just by bigger tyres? Stock sur ron look a little small for my lanky body lol
I would agree about upgrading the sprocket to a bigger one on the stock one but I think 54-58 is the sweet spot for stock. With the testing I’ve done, the 64t is nice but not much more benefit for the loss in top speed the torque seems very similar between the 54-64t on stock
Agreed. Makes the most difference under high load low RPM. If that’s not something you experience in your riding condition than yeah, probably better to go a bit smaller.
any idea on a time frame till the next batch of controllers??????????????????????
Hey, do you guys ship your products to Europe? (more specifically France)
Thank you for the video, I can’t find on your part list the reference of the 19’´ rear wheel… Can you tell us about it please? Thank you
Coles on on one of my wheel sets. Let me know if you need a custom built wheel
Respectfully, there's more to consider when evaluating rear wheel size than just whether it improves ground clearance. 16" still wins for best all around improvement and opening up more tire selection.
My buddy went with the 16" with a Michelin Starcross. Its perfect and he kept his kickstand.
Agreed, a 16/19 setup keeps the bike lighter and the steering is more nimble. Plus with the wheelbase on the surron being so short the 18-19/21 setup is not ideal on tighter more technical stuff. Now on the flip side the 18/22 setup is better at more wide open trails where your at higher speeds for longer durations and you can monster truck through rocky sections much easier. Just comes to preference 🤷🏻♂️
What size rims on coles bikes
I wish you had compared the top speeds. I love my Sur Ron for trail riding. But I also want to use it to run to the grocery. And the road I take has a 50 mph speed limit. And it's uphill one way. Need enough power to climb uphill and hold 50 mph.
I would so love to see a comparison between your $10k sur ron and the CAB Motorworks Recon. Thanks for the great videos.
I wanna see that too. Those cab motorworks recons are epic out of the box.
While I think they are great I would never spend that much on a hub motor bike. I like my 5 year old stock sur ron
Does the 21in front tire fit in the fox 27.5 fork or do you have to run the 29er fork?
Fits great on 27.5
What would a happy medume be between the stuck & your bike? A sprocket & controller equipped bike?
Sprocket, controller, bypassed stock battery, bomber 58 forks, new wheels and tires and that’d be ~$2500 less.
I want to ask if that kind of bike is already available here in our country Philippines thank u
How much did the stock cost
hi. what is your height and isnt it short for you?
Hi guys. Tell me please. What size of tires do you use on the front and rear wheels? and brand
All the parts we run should be linked in the description!
Do you have video explaining how battery is constructed? Fire protection? Overtemerature? Mechanical protection? Resource? Cycles count?
All our videos can be found on our channel. Only around 35-40.
When will the BAC4000 be back in stock? Your videos convinced me to get one but it's been out of stock haha
We usually sell out in under 10min. Every stock update is posted to our Instagram and FB group!
@@emotobros followed on IG!
Ok this probably a lame question lol but does any of this matter to a guy who's just gonna use it as a eco daily commuter? Would a stock bike with a upgraded battery give good results?
Should be just fine on stock.
If I plan on purchasing one of your BAC4000 and bypass kit's, would you recommend getting a SurRon or a Segway 260x? Thanks.
Whichever is cheaper!
@@emotobros Thanks for the quick reply. I have heard that the stock Segway x260 is faster than a stock SurRon since the Segway has 100 amps where the SurRon has 80 or 85. Do you know if that is accurate?
Not accurate. Both go the exact same speed from what I’ve seen.
Curious what would be the best FIRST upgrades to do on a stock SurRon in your guys opinion???.. I might get one and for me I’m all about range, so I was think a Chi 60v 60ah battery, then maybe next the bac4000, THEN stuff like fox 40 forks, etc. BUT WOULD LOVE FEEDBACK! Also, I’m not mainly an off-road rider, this would be a mixed bag and nothing crazy. Thank you
If off road is the goal: tubes, tires, brake pads, bigger sprocket, suspension, controller, wheels, battery in that order.
@@emotobros as I stated, it would not be for off-road, more so light off road and street mixed.
Misread, my bad. I’d do same order then just minus the suspension and wheels. Nice suspension won’t help much on road and the other stuff will be huge.
@@emotobros thanks so much man I really appreciate the info and for your time🙏🙏🙏🙏
Am i hearing the rear tire of the built one catching ? If so what is it catching on ? asking for scientific purposes
ok someone needs to do a test I was raised in the 80s so back then all we had was peddle and 0 LED as far as headlights goes. but we did have headlights with generator and make 12 volts or 6 volts cant remember but that would be cool if some way some how you can use that to charge the Bike or some other form of device
As humans we have a tendency to want to modify everything yet with this bike many are missing the point - The X comes stock as a good all rounder and with a change of sprocket, a suspension tune and sorted tyre pressure it gets much better. I find it thrives on tight single track in that 20 - 40kph speed range as I can stand on the pegs and lift the front wheel whenever I need to. Yep, you can modify anything yet blowing dirtbike money on one of these things is probably going to see it slowly fall apart around the extra power and forces placed on it.
What size sprocket did you go to. I agree on your points!
So 10k with bro deals and hook ups? what would retail be on it?
Great vid btw, like you said for what its built for, a stealth urban assault mobil, probably best thing out currently.
Around $8k with bro deals. $10k was retail!
Definitely far from cheap but it fits its own niche very well and has very few, if any, real competitors.
@@emotobros that's including price of stock surron correct?
Yep! But when we bought it was $3600
.ua-cam.com/video/_P4k1norFTE/v-deo.html $10,400 . $4,700 stock bike included
Which camera do you use for filming?
This video was mainly shot on a canon R6 but we have a GH5 as well
I hope I didn’t offend you guys on the last vid, I just think these vids are better. I respect the honesty I really do we all do but I also see it’s beginners and experience. And your comparison vids say the same thing but so much more! I love when y’all do these vids. All love!
No at all! Sometimes there just isn’t enough things to create a super entertaining video every time. We don’t necessarily want to make videos like that last one but feel that it’s information people should know when spending that much.
Anyone know a place or specs for the head set bearings to fit with upgraded forks???
That depends on your steerer tube
@@emotobros its for the surron light bee and I bought the Marzocchi Bomber 58 forks.
@@emotobros do you know anybody yet that has replaced one of these e motorcycles with a 4-stroke gasoline engine? The E motorcycles may be still too new to replace with gasoline engine.
What helmets are you using?
Fox v2
If I upgrade the wheels can I still have the kickstand?
Depends on your choice of tire.
Can you use the rear brake while on throttle to keep the front down? Kind of like a clutch on a dirt bike.
I do that without even trying. To much time on regular bikes
How much for this bike all set up the way you have it
Retails around $10k
Sweet !
I wonder how well the stock belt holds up to 12kW of power over time?
If you're willing to drop 10K, you should wait for a Sur Ron Storm Bee. If the wait is an issue, perhaps a KTM Freeride instead. I love my Sur Ron X, but one of it's best features is it's low price. Investing up to 10k is foolish when there are better bikes for the money.
They aren’t better, they are different. Also much heavier man. Most of the things I do wouldn’t be possible with a Storm or Freeride. Plus, at 15kW, my Surron is more powerful than the KTM
You should a breakdown of every part on the 10k bike
We do in the description.
I’m in Britain and would like a customised one next year. Any thoughts?
You should get one and customize it next year.
@@seanlong8594 I’m not great at that sort of thing.
How much does each weigh?
Stock is 110Lb, built bike is around 125-130.
I know very little about bikes in general, but I am interested in getting one. Question: Why would one acquire a 10K SurRon over a 13K Stark Varg. I guess you save 3K with the SurRon and it's marginally easier to get the SurRon in the back of a pick-up. However, I would guess that even though that Stark Varg is 30% more expensive, I would guess the that Stark performs 200 - 300 % better in many or most categories.
Good question. The main answer comes down to rideability. Sure the Varg may be faster and quicker but applying that on the trails we like to ride is not easier on the bigger bike. In fact, on single track trails, we've always been faster on the SurRon than any other bike we've ridden. We know some people who've ridden the Varg and are still in agreement there.
Granted we aren't pro riders, nor are we riding at a track which is what the varg is designed for. That extra 3k you save too is enough for potentially two more batteries getting your ride an additional 60 or so miles if you are out for a weekend.
Again, the SurRon fills the very niche category of single track trail riding and it does it better than anything else we've tried (in its upgraded form). On anything else, the Varg would likely be the better choice.
I am on fence about buying a sur ron and modding it like this or buying a zero fx/fxs. Can you compare this bike to one of those?
The SurRon modded out like this will be a far better offroad machine than the zero. The zero is more of a dual sport light off-road bike and is much heavier. Still a great option depending on riding style.
Why haven't you tried XL kit to get new level of performance yet?
We haven’t felt that making the bike taller/longer is something that would have performance benefits for people our height and riding style. We’ve had taller setups and didn’t like how they felt.
I don’t want the nice one, i want the mean one!
not the slippers lmao
The finest in high quality riding footwear
if you are plan on going 72v order that shit a month in advance. they told me the "lead time" is 5-7 weeks which i wish i knew ahead of time
I thought one of you guys had the fox float x2 air shock in the rear
We do! That bike was in the intro clips
@@emotobros oh both bikes at 1:22-1:27 have coil shocks on the back
It’s the lead bike at 0:24 that has it 🤘🏽
Are you using the bac4000 controller ?
Yep!
@@emotobros Which Sproket were you using here?
@@renaissanceman608 64T Always!
What’s the runtime on these things?
With an upgraded battery 30 hard miles or 50+ casual miles.
@@emotobros I have an electric solo wheel that’s been a lot of fun but I grew up racing dirt bikes. Im gonna have to get me one of these… I was looking at the ktm when your video popped into my recommendations
10000 $for 12 kw is not much for 10 k you can have a really powerful ICE bike. Sur ron is great but would be so much greater if for same price around 6k we would have a 72v capable version
Yeah if you’re going for power/dollar E-moto is certainly a bad decision. Just a completely different use and market.
Won't happen until a large factory can pump them out at 1k+ units a month.
Agreed! 2022 they should produce a 72V, with a suspension DESIGNED for this category of bike. We shouldn't be limited to mtb forks/suspension. Hopefully the company sees enough of a market to fix these glaring issues. That said, I rode 2 2year old stock surrons today, first time, and had a frigging blast!
The gladiator battery seems game changer for the Sur Ron
Definitely nice, seen some strange fitment issues simply due to how massive it is.
@@emotobros the battery you use is it comparable to the gladiator?
Nice vid =)
Got myself a 2021 surron some weeks ago, loving it! But one thing i hate is the throttle... i have to turn it so much to get full power. Is there anythin to do about it?
Get a Domino throttle
@@ergonomiczero2228 heard they don't work well with the new 2021 x controller.I hate the throttle too also have a 2021. Might be doing the cable throttle soon.
@@vincetheveganprince
Hey I can be annoying and ask a couple questions as I'm having a lot of trouble finding answers..
Confused about ron black, ron light bee x, ron x.. are they all the same bike?? and is there a big difference between 2018 and 2021 models? Last one, is it ever worth buying a second hand sur ron or stay far away?? Thanks in advance
@@freak1sees714 Hey it goes by all the names you mention but mostly Sur-Ron or Sur Ron Light Bee and came out with a X model in 2020 I believe. Not a lot has changed in them besides some minor things but if you decide to upgrade the controller and battery down the line then getting a used X model though cause the controller has regen and pushes more amps so more power it will save you some money. As long as the used one is in decent shape you should be good.
@@vincetheveganprince
Awesome... thanks a lot for the feed back.. thats great man... I hope to join the gang soon..
You should link all the upgrades
Should all be in description? Is that not showing up for you?
Definitely cool modifications, but at that price, it makes more sense to get a Zero FX and be street legal.
Get a Tesla while you’re at it. A Zero cannot do the same thing nor provide the same fun
@@MTO_Brothers the Zero does everything the surron does but better thanks to everything being full size instead of being sized for a teen. Longer range, higher speed, better suspension, etc. All while being street legal for the same price as a modified surron.
@@1FAST91SONOMA first there are many places where the Surron is street legal, second the zero is a trail at best, not an enduro bike. So really technical stuff aren’t going to be easy…
@@1FAST91SONOMA The Zerom also overheats very quick and has a wierd torque band. Less low end but extreme mid range, leads to alot of poeple crashing as you can see on youtube.
The Zero is not a dirt bike any way you spin it. It's more of a light dual sport. As someone said before, it is not built for the kind of terrain you'd likely take a stock Sur-Ron, much less a 10k Sur-Ron. A more apt comparison would be a KTM E-XC, Cake, or Drill One, which are all also 10k+.
Nice to see other one trys 100 90 19 in the rear 🤪 ...no cutting ?
Hah I wish. I think we could do no cutting on a 90/90-18. That’s what we will try next.
Does anyone know someone that has replaced the the motorcycle with a gasoline engine after the parts and labor are too much?
Parts list on the 10k?
Check description
@@emotobros found it, thanks
AT 10K though, how does it compare to a KTM E-XC, or even a ICE 300XC Then you have real suspension, and real brakes
At that point it really depends on the style of riding. I can’t speak about an E-XC since I haven’t ridden one but I have redden a 300xc and I prefer the sur ron. More agile and playful when riding and it suits the trails I ride on best imo. That being said, long rides or high speed trails would be more suited to an ICE 300. If I had both bikes, I would certainly ride both, but I do believe I would end up riding the Sur Ron more.
what about upgrading the motor?
At the time of filming there weren't really any availble motors but that is slowly changing. We will absolutely be testing new motors.
@@emotobros The most popular one Ive heard of is the ko motor, do you know of any others that are compatible with the surron?
@@ykcil QS is making one that's compatible too I believe though I don't know if it was specifically designed for the SurRon. KO is the main one I've heard of and the one we would like to test.
my mans wearing dirt bike pants with slides. lolol
I thought we were done riding😂😂
Can a big guy ride these? 260lbs +?
Yes, but it won’t be very capable off road without supporting upgrades. If your just cruising around on the road it shouldn’t have any problems though.
Those wheels tho . . . dang !
Are you guestimating the upgrade is 10k over stock price or including stk.
I'm guessing its including stock price. 10k total. upgraded suspension, battery, controller, wheels the main expenses
@@kwent86 Yeah . . I was leaning toward that conclusion myself. But when mentioning how those upgrades came at a discount, I started to retract. So discount means free in exchange for publicity . I mean the fork alone is 2k after tax, right. They got in at the right time, lucky guys. I'll still rock with them though.
10 is a rough estimate the for everything including to cost of the bike. A lot of people could replicate this for 8k but if we are adding up MSRP prices of everything we have it’s in that 10k neigorhood
@@emotobros Right-on E-MB. I appreciate your content and your feedback. Thanks.
for that price id just get street legal storm bee
It looks like the rider plays a huge part in the difference.
Certainly always has and will! An unavoidable issue when comparing directly side by side. The point still remains that one is much obviously better than the other.
Fuck yeahhhh
Always numba 1
My 15 year old daughter has a SurRon with a KANIWABA pedal kit on it ro make «legal» Fantastic toy, but with a 10 grand upgrade it is more than a new Stärk Varg… -And that is another galaxy…
I believe the stark varg is closer to $12k stock. Main difference is that it doesn’t matter how much money you throw at the varg, it’ll never be 100lbs lighter. That’s the main appeal of the SurRon to us. If you watch interviews of 450 class riders, they all agree a 450 is too much. To ride something with even MORE power and torque is pretty ridiculous. It has its purpose though! I’d bet in almost all trail riding situations, I’d be faster on the SurRon than the varg.
I spent two years programming BAC4000 and its super buggy by nature. I am not a fan of this controller. For 10k you really should be looking at a Storm bee or better yet a Zero
Ah man, sorry to hear that. We had never tuned one and from scratch had it pretty dialed in a couple weeks. What issues were you having.
We’ve considered both the storm bee and a zero but frankly they were both too heavy for how and where we like to ride.
@@emotobros ASI always had issues defining what the parameter they really wanted. The definitions were not very well laid out. I also was involved before ASI capped the 4000 controllers AMPS. above 16kW things got really flaky controller to controller. These controllers really need to have a matching BMS that can communicate to the controller and give it data especially around temperature. You could lay out foldbacks etc but its not a very accurate way of doing things. You will find that one map for different climates is near impossible. Maybe things are better now. Its been a year or more.
@@emotobros storm bee is pretty heavy for sure. Its almost like they need something in between. Maybe a sur ron with real brakes! having a 10K Sur Ron is nuts when you compare it to bikes like zero. I am talking about the quality when you get in that price range. For 4-6k its fine
damn, 10k is a new electric ktm freeride e-xc.
Different uses but this may actually be better 👀
nah, 18kW, watercooled, amazing suspension, undestroyable, quality brakes, almost 4kWh. And never overheats, i testet it. And the 40kg weight difference is nothing compared to the handling
18kW peak…we are running 21kW peak 12kW nominal which both are higher than the KTM peak and nominal. Not to mention the weight, so not only are we running more power but we also have double the power to weight ratio.
The batteries we run are 3.3kWh so proportionately smaller by weight and we’d probably get more range…
Brakes on our bikes lock up front and rear with little to no effort so probably a wash there.
I agree that it’s expensive, but I don’t agree that the KTM is objectively better. Situation dependent, it may even be worse.
Thats the point, you can run 21kW on a Surron a few seconds until it overheats. The KTM never overheats and you can almost pull 18kW anytime. The Range is definetly worse than the surron with a 3.3kWh battery. You know the difference between the suspension of a heavier mx bike compared to your surron. It is necessary for thes heavy unsprung weight of wheels that the dampened weight ist at minimum 100kg for smooth consistent grip (you know the maths). If you believe that much in this surron motor, then prove it to all how long it holds at 12 to 21kW.
That’s why I said different uses. There is no reason to buy a surron if you’re looking to hold it wide open at 21kW. You could watch every one of our videos and find that there is no situation on any trail we’ve ridden where that could even be done or would be useful. Off road trail bikes use power in short bursts mostly.
Sure the suspension is better but again, different uses. We’ve hit some gnarly shit on these and never felt like if we had better suspension we could do more.
Damn idk my stock one hit harder. Never really struggled uphill
This was a much steeper hill than it looked on camera. I thought the stock one did fairly well.
How would the modified Sur Ron compare to the stock $10,000 Stealth B52 bomber. Be fun to know
In the dirt the surron reigns supreme as it’s mid drive and not hubdrive.
If i have money, i would buy Electric Motion Escape R rather than 10k sur ron mods
Wish you guys would talk about the durability improvements gained by your modifications. I used to have a Sur-Ron, but sold because I felt the stock bike was not up to the punishment I would subject it to, and so chose to sell the bike while it was still in good condition. To me, the extra money to improve the suspension, power, etc. isn't worth it if the bike isn't capable of holding up to the type of riding you're doing. I was hoping the Sur-Ron could be ridden like a dirtbike, but it's not (at least not in stock form) capable of holding up to the type of jumping and other hard riding that dirtbikes are made for. Even with better suspension, certain components like the headset bearings, the rear shock linkage, and as you mention, the skid plate, are simply not rugged enough to handle more aggressive riding. So for me, I wish you would have talked about the weaker components of the Sur-Ron, and anything you've done to improve those components, and whether those upgrades/modifications have been worth the money, because that would be the only way I would even consider another Sur-Ron. Even the Storm Bee looks like it isn't built to handle the punishment of dirt bike riding (I'd buy the KTM Freeride E over the Storm if that was my only option). Too bad the Alta is no longer available, that was a great E-bike. Still waiting (and hoping) for something like it from another manufacturer (KTM, Yamaha, Honda all seem to have concept bikes in the works), but for now I'm enjoying the content on you channel and others like it. Keep the mods coming ... who knows, maybe one day your mod bikes will be exactly what I'm looking for.
Yeah definitely some improved durability with these upgrades but like you mentioned even with this stuff they don’t match a full size bike. You’d need to box in the frame and change all linkages for it to really be stiffer. At some point you just add a bunch of weight but it’s been done!
Next time have equally skilled (and weight/height) riders when doing a comparison. A skilled rider with finesse can get more out of any machine.
Ha! Wish we knew enough people to find two who are the exact same weight, height and skill.
The Surron x is really a mountain bike with a mid-drive motor and battery which anybody or u can make on ur bike for alot cheaper
Gonna have to disagree with this one chief👍🏼
6:15 looked like the SuRon was in slow/eco mode, that was sad looking.
Yeah stock power does look pretty sad 😂😂. I assure you it was not in eco mode though, that’s just all it had
@@emotobros Something wasn't right, i'm over 200lbs and sport mode in my Segway 260 would've exploded up that little hill.
The hill is deceivingly steep and the upgraded bike is so much faster that it makes the stock bike look slow. Promise that was full power, nothin wrong🤘🏽
Why can’t I sub?!?!
10k ebike or a nice car 🤔 I'll go with the nice car and a peddle bike 🤣
Peddle bikes are 3 k as well
@@Nik-gh6gz still got enough left over for a nice car
Higher end peddle bikes are over 5-6k 🙄
@@northsandiegorc4248 no shit got a trek fuel ex8 last year was 3k coupe of got a trek tail for 4.5k which would leave me 5.5k for a car subaru sti wagon to shred about in with the bike
You don’t keep enough product in stock for us to buy anything
It’s not us, but I understand your frustration. Trust me, if all we had to do is just pay and stock more product we would but that’d be too easy. It goes much deeper than just being able to do that. As far as I’m aware we’ve rarely been out of stock of a single part that we control the supply chain on.
no no no a 16 in rear tire has a massive variety of tires and you can fit a moto style 16 rear that has less centrifugal force allowing for better stunting better e braking better power to ground you can use a smaller sprocket and still get gains. the lower the power you bike has the smaller the rear provides gains
a 21 on a mountain bike has insane limits to tire size and yes it handles better speed over rough terrain but then you basically must improve forks.
a 21 only really benefits taller riders. a 16 or 18 is best front tire based on science. preference or opinion may vary but science takes a lot of factors in to account.
without the battery and controller enhancement larger wheels will cut power drastically the only benefit larger tires truly grant is top speed on flat or decline
I’d love to read up on this “science” so far all I’ve read from you is an opinion. It is our preference to go as fast as possible off road. We found the 21 in the front and 19/18 in the rear to serve this purpose the best. We recommend 64t sprocket to everyone which more than makes up for any loss in mechanical advantage with the larger diameter wheels/tires.
@@emotobros well i am a scientist but for rockets nothing with this but it basically boils down to math and the math holds true plenty of study throughout history of motocross. if you deny science thats a choice if you decline to do the research thats another choice.
im try to keep my time invested in this conversation minimal.... do the research is what i suggest.
i did not insert any opinion as i do not have an opinion. im looking to get into the activity for some pass time. you mentioned you feel and think in video this is a clear indication of opinion on your part. i was just stating where your opinion has conflict with basic math
maybe i didnt come across well enough but every mod you make to a bike will have both a positive and a negative impact gears wheels power shape weight. this is where personal preference comes in. if you prefer to sacrifice power for size or durability at cost of added weight or huge price increase for materials.
@@emotobros you would make these recommendations to a 5'2" 250 pound man or a 6'2" 110 pound man? generalizing is fine for the novice but if you want to be a retailer maybe do justice in knowing more about the rider??? would you make these recommendations for blue skill riders or double black Dimond skill riders? theres a lot more to consider math math math. if i miss 1 equation rockets go boom or crash or many other outcomes
For that money, get an awesome YZ125
It’ll just never be 120lbs is the problem. Plus the noise riding pirate trails in residential areas makes riding tricky. All depends what kind of riding you do!
You can’t ride a 125 in a lot of trails, with the surron you can as it’s pretty quiet and lighter
10k surron but got 30$ bars lol
buy a storm bee....
More expensive and over 100lbs heavier while being slower and having less range 😅
Why do huge people want to ride a surron? If you’re too big get something bigger these bikes work best for small people
you 20000 usd alibaba 😆😆😆😆😆
I don't understand the point of this comparison... a $10,000 vs a $3,500 bike ?
Reality is a 8k bike (what they paid) vs stock bike $4200 (at the time of filming)
It is to show guys who buy a Surron if it is a good option to spend some money to tune the bike or is it a waist of money……
at this point you can just get New 450CC Husqvarna
A lot harder to ride through suburban forrests with a 450!
@@emotobros Yeah👌
Ruining mtb trails...blatantly.
Yep, trails we helped make on private property 🤘🏽
Obviously you are not a cross biker - you don’t get a lot Of thing that we do (12 years riding motocross!!!!) so do appreciate you thoughts but - NO!!!!
We raced motocross for 12.25 years and after our highly successful pro-am career we decided trail riding was better in every way. Simple as that.
alibaba 1000 usd 🪗✌️✌️✌️✌️