oh pretty much the shows on disney+ bec of how they flesh out the characters that were secondary during the infinity saga. also, what if is just batshit crazy and i love it lol
I’ve luckily tuned out the mcu fan toxicity by only going to you guys for news, reactions, discussions etc. because yall are positive, understanding, and constructive. That said, even I started losing interest in the MCU post endgame because of the overwhelming output and overall dip in quality. I found myself leaving a lot of mcu shows and movies feeling that they were just okay. It also doesn’t help that it’s been a long time since we’ve seen characters. But when an MCU project hits, I’m there to support it and talk about it. My favorites have been Loki, Ms. marvel, X-men 97 and Deadpool. These projects leave me inspired and excited about the MCU. I just want to see high quality stuff.
I fully believe that Thunderbolts is gonna be the Guardians of this saga, not just in terms of being the underdog surprise hit that nobody expected, but also because it’s gonna be a group of misfits finding understanding and connection with each other. These are all characters dismissed, disregarded, tossed aside, and used whether in universe or by the audience, and I think this story is gonna be eye opening on some of these characters so that fans will look at them in a new light. Never underestimate the underdog story.
Every reason everyone made about why they didn’t like the RDJ is why Avengers Doomsday will be so good when the Russo Brothers knock it out of the park. Let them cook, they’re 4/4 with Kevin and Marvel.
Right! every reason they made as to why they didn't like the RDJ casting is why Avengers Doomsday will be so successful, people judge before they see it and when the movie does comes out and be successful because RDJ is a amazing actor, I will remember all the fans talking shit, or wanted another actor to play Dr. Doom, and doubting the movie.
I love how Hector say these wild suggestions and predictions but not talk mega negatively about things that are already announced. The correct way to react to things.
Hector is 1000% correct about the thinly-veiled racism and sexism that's inherent in much of the criticism of phase 4 and 5. Not every critique is coming from that place, there are plenty of valid things to bring up that haven't been great. But it's become increasingly easy to tell when the same people have the same dumb things to say as soon as a trailer drops for a new project led by a person of color or a woman.
I'm pretty sure they said somewhere that RDJ is the Victor von Doom in a different universe but will move over to ours. Probably in the end credits of fantastic four when they move over since they start in a different universe as well. We can still very much have our own Doom later who's a different actor
When You Have Hugh Jackman and Henry Cavill Both Play wolverine why would you cast someone else to be shorter and an all new wolverine when we have 2 greater options . Logan suppose to be older then Scott and Jean. Now a new Professor and magneto go ahead .
Matt Shakman did say he’s known about the RDJ casting for a hot minute. He also would neither confirm or deny RDJ being in Fantastic Four. I’m going to assume then that this Doom is from the same universe as the Fantastic Four. That’s just my opinion though. I could be dead wrong and reading way too much into Matt’s comments. I’ve really enjoyed phases 4 and 5 of the MCU. I really push back against this “directionless” idea that people have, especially phase 4. I love that almost every phase 4 project dealt with grief in some way. Shang-Chi and Eternals have been my favorite projects post Endgame.
*Grabs mic* Oh, so y'all want me to talk about Eternals? Get ready, I've got a whole essay prepared. I could wax poetic about how warm this movie is (we don’t talk enough about how emotional the Eternals are as superheroes. They suffer devastating losses, a shattering of their realities/conceptions of self and we see them cry! A lot! We see them sob at the news of Ajak’s death. Druig cries when he’s told that as gods, essentially, they cannot step in to end genocides and mass colonizations of entire peoples. He also cries because Ajak is willing to erase who Thena is in order to “cure” her “mental illness”, something he condemns. Sersi cries when she learns the true fate of planet earth and the actual mission that her and the other Eternals were sent on. Thena weeps as she experiences madweary and is unable to help her fellow comrades when under attack. Ikaris cries as he experiences guilt. Phastos breaks down in his utter disappointment in humanity and how they’ve used his gifts to harm one another. This is such an emotionally rich film and it's honestly such a breath of fresh air in movies like these where tragedies happen and heroes recover quickly or aren’t given time to feel. The psychological aspect behind being a super powered being burdened to protect is so-) But I did want to speak on some of the criticisms around the film because I don't necessarily disagree with a lot of them, just that none of faults this movie has ruins it for me. It would benefit from some trimming and a bit of lengthening, sure. I feel like there's a 3 hour version of this movie that makes it into people's top 5 MCU projects. Hear me out: The weakest point of the film were its two central characters, Sersi/Ikaris whom the movie is hinging much of the emotional weight on when it is most effective with the rest of the other Eternals. Like the whole Ikaris/Sprite situation: it is absolutely understandable to me why Sprite, a 7,000 year old being stuck in the body of a 12-year-old, would be angry about never “growing up.” Though not explored in the film, I get why she is jealous seeing Sersi-the first of the Eternals to experience romantic love, be married-get everything that Sprite herself also wants because she will never be able to have that. That’s a really interesting and complex character piece. So I buy that there would be a love triangle, I just don’t know why Sprite likes Ikaris at all besides reasoning that he is an objectively attractive person with leadership capabilities, is portrayed as the protector and most powerful of the group. I get that her pain is the perpetual feeling of never leading a “full adult life” but why she’s attracted to Ikaris specifically is never explored. There is a version of this love triangle where Sprite likes Sersi as opposed to giving her the compulsive heteronormative desire for a man and nuclear family. It would’ve been neat to see a Sprite, and honestly more of the Eternals, rejecting the heteronormative conventions of our society. (In my mind, Sprite is nonbinary, Druig is gender queer, Makkari is bi, and Ajak is aroace. The Eternals are basically lower level gods-below the Celestials that is-so I don’t buy that all of them would occupy any one gender or sexuality.) That said, had the movie been longer, the payoff for Sprite’s betrayal would have been that much more impactful because it is only in the rewatches that you notice the exchanges she has with Ikaris; they are caring and affectionate towards each other (but moreso in the way of a protective parent-child). That scene where the 3 of them are in the car driving to meet Ajak before finding out she has died, Sersi is driving, Ikaris is in the back looking longingly at her and resting on his shoulder happily is Sprite. At first you don’t think much of this, but it isn't until the end that you recall moments like these as ones that Sprite savors because it is the only way she can be close with him. We needed to have seen more of that to tension in order to convince us of her leaving the group to run away with Ikaris since that is all she ever wanted, regardless of the fact that she truly does love and care for Sersi who has been her sole companion, friend, and confidant post the Eternals dispersing. The runtime as it stands does not allow us to feel Sprite’s wants as deeply as she feels them. I don’t feel her desperation for another kind of life enough for her to stab Sersi. She tells us the absence she feels, but we don’t see it except for those small background moments like her watching any interaction that Ikaris and Sersi have in sorrow. Similarly, I wanted to see more of Ikaris’ quiet devotion to the Celestials because his conflict is basically: believing in a god + divine order in the face of free will and the truth that gods are not all perfect. His story arc is loss of faith; he goes from being a firm believer in the Celestials to realizing all his devotion should go to his loved ones. I needed to feel his unyeilding trust in Arishem so much in order to justify why he feels he must kill the spiritual leader of their group in order to preserve the only thing he knows. Because essentially, if the celestial Tiamut was willing to aid the Eternals in his own death so that earth could go on living, then it meant that 1) Arishem is not the supreme or only authority, 2) Arishem’s way is not the only way and, 3) Sometimes gods are wrong. Ikaris kills himself because he no longer understands his own purpose. His guilt over the means with which he sought to protect what he thought was natural and right by harming members of his own is such rich, dramatic material. He makes for a good tortured villain, and with a cast this stacked, the bad guy had to be someone within the family, so I wish we got to explore more of his internal dilemma. That way his stoicism in the film feels that much more intentional right from the get-go. Lastly, Sersi’s character evolution is of coming into her own. We are told that Sersi underestimates herself, her own strength and we see others underestimate her power set. I would have liked to have seen more of a focus on Sersi testing the limits of what she can do and her dealing with having her wings clipped. She is made to believe she cannot transform sentient beings, something that turned out to be a lie so, Ajak/Arishem have been holding her back from reaching her true potential for whatever reason, at least it is implied (or maybe this was something she told herself but Ajak would’ve known differently still). So much of her character was entangled with Ikaris that if given more time, it would've been good to see her navigating her own isolated struggle outside of him and discovering herself. Of course, Thena + Gilgamesh/ Kingo + Sprite/ Druig + Makkari are duos that I would have liked to have spent infinitely more time with, as well as Phastos with the life he carved out for himself. Ajak was also let go of too soon. If she indeed had to go, I think with more time, seeing her have more suspicions of the Celestials’ plans and ultimate rejection of their way, plus her growing affection for humans, and her mistake in how she raised Ikaris (because she is partly responsible for why he turns out the way he does and was setting him up to be her successor to fulfill the duties of the Celestials) all would have been interesting to see. That said, I understood the moves they were making, they just didn’t have the time to make them as impactful as they could have been given all the world building it was tasked with... Guys I watched this movie 7x in theaters, three of those viewings were all in the same week. There's so much more I have to say, but I'll leave it here. I LOVE Eternals and I'll be DEVASTATED if we never see those characters again. In a world where Thor 2 flops and Chris Hemsworth still gets 2+ more films, the Eternals should still get to continue their story, especially given how artful it is. This will be my villain origin story, I swear.
From Guardians, Moon Knight, and Eternals, i learned that i really enjoy watching MCU titles that i dont know anything about. So im hype and look forward to Thunderbolt!
I agree. With Guardians and Eternals I ended up really liking those characters and checking out their comics. They have a pretty good track record of making lesser known characters shine. So I'm hyped, especially to see more of Bucky and John Walker's relationship.
marvel has already told the audience roughly how this is going to work in bits and pieces. RDJ is playing the victor von doom from the universe that the new fantastic 4 are from. its already been stated that the fantastic 4 are from another universe other than the secret timeline, and that its not a origin story and that its a retro futuristic timeline. thats why RDJ is perfect for this victor role as he is older now and the fantastic 4 we are getting are already established. in the fantastic 4 footage they showed at hall H, reed richards is studying the possibility of the multiverse. so whatever ends up bringing the fantastic 4 over to the sacred timeline also brings their victor von doom which of course will end up causing confusion when he shows up looking like tony stark. since the sacred timeline is missing its tony stark (who is most likely the anchor) this new victor/tony may become the new anchor of the sacred timeline which will mess everything up Also if you watched the hall h footage, RDJ says new mask, same task. what was tony starks task in the MCU? a suit of armor around the world. what was on stage with RDJ during his dr.doom reveal? Doombots, the robots dr. doom makes. new mask, same task.
Stark not the anchor. It’s Tom Hollands Spider-Man. I think Doom goes around the multiverse knocking off anchor beings until he gets to Loki, who is currently Yggdrasil. That throne eerily looks similar to that stump Doom was sitting on when he became God Emperor Doom.
Adam hit it on the head, we're going into two massive avengers movies without building any new heroes to root for especially for casual audiences. It's not that the new heroes aren't good, it's that we aren't even seeing them! They aren't spending any time together either and building their team or relationships.
Russos. Feige. Downey Jr. McFeely.All have earned our trust in MULTIPLE mega-hit films. So I trust in the Dr. Doom decision, particularly since we don’t have any context on how the story will go, I’m willing to go on trust alone. And remember, the MCU has always been FAR from comic accurate.
I love the RDJ pick because this to me means we wont get the new xmen class until the "reset". People wanted the Multiverse saga to end, so they are gona END the 616 we know imo
That comment from Kevin definitely gave me confidence that they’ve got this whole thing figured out and that they’re going to stay true to the character of dr doom. I think he’s got potential to be the scariest villain yet. Thanks for the video guys, really enjoyed listening to this one 😊
Should have rehired Jonathan Majors after they released the case info and he was proven innocent of actually beating the girl. He got accidental assault because of closing a door. I know Disney is real quick about stuff like this but idc he deserves a second chance
first video of yours that ive watched. cant believe im only finding this channel now. excellent and lucid discussions. cant refute what was said. the middle portion of this video was the best. my fav movie post endgame is multiverse of madness and loki season 2.
Doom and Stark have been linked in multiple ways in the comics, this will just be a new way. Kinda like how ALL OF THE MCU is a new, different, non comic accurate take - and always has been.
I have so many predictions of what might happen. So excited. Could they split the hero roster so everyone gets decent time? Doom wipes out F4’s universe at the start of Doomsday and they escape into another universe. Doomsday - The Deadpool/Fox/Sony universe Secret Wars - 616 & 10005 come together.
Ms. Marvel was probably my favorite post-Endgame MCU product, but I truly have loved everything except Secret Invasion and Quantumania. Didn't love Dr. Strange 2, but I don't think it was necessarily bad. I just think a lot of the decisions they've made very recently have confounded me.
I loved Phase 4. Each project was about loss and legacy. It was like an extended epilogue to the Infinity Saga because it emphasized the high stakes had real consequences. All I asked of post-Endgame MCU was bring me something fresh and new faces. The Multiverse Saga has given them the opportunity to fold in Fox and Marvel Netflix characters. I haven't always been happy about certain reappearances, but I'm confident Feige and team know this Saga is the best excuse to test and flex concepts. Phases 4-6 had to navigate Covid, strikes, Disney+, and an actor problem. I think the other side of this will be more cohesive (barring any repeat catastrophes).
There's only one post Endgame project that I don't like, and even within that one there is stuff that I think works! I'm just excited to see more of the characters I love on the big screen!!
I TOTALLY agree with you guys about RDJ. Doom deserves more respect in the sense that he shouldn't have a muddled casting, fraught with controversy. Doom should've had an original (different) actor play the part. RDJ is AMAZING, no one's saying otherwise. He just shouldn't have ever been cast as Doom. Smh, hopefully they change my mind on this and I'm blown away.
I'm pretty sure his contract stated only he could play variants of Kang. The contract was voided as soon as he was convicted so anyone could play him afterwards but clearly they're moving away from the character
I am with you heck I loved Eternals everything the music the characters the actors the sense amazing 9/10 for me idc what anyone says I loved it watched it 5x
I would be more excited if Doom was played by an Eastern European actor than RDJ. It gives Doom just a little bit more authenticity, now it's an American with an accident. Also, I like your more critical analysis of the whole thing.
I'm really glad you guys brought up the actual issues with that Doom casting, including the fact that another Romani character, particularly one whose identity is integral to his origins, has been whitewashed by the MCU yet again. As a fan of Doom in the comics, I hate this decision and casting but of course, as you guys pointed out, this wasn't for readers or those who have read his comics, so the movie will make all the money in the world regardless
Anchor beings. It’ll be believed by the avengers that Stark was the anchor being of the sacred timeline which will prompt them to bring in Stark variants. One of which will be a multiverse Doom which will then kick off Secret Wars. Too bad the real anchor being of the timeline was Thanos.
I do feel like some of the MCU fall off could be related to them releasing too many things at once. While Disney+ was a great place to expand the universe and tell cool stories, I know people didn’t watch every single show and movie that was released. For some people I can see it feeling more like homework instead of something they looked forward to like the infinity Saga. The infinity saga made comics easily digestible for the general audience, but I don’t think a lot of MCU general audience fans were ready for the live action equivalent of tie-in comics lol.
I thought they were going to have Doom take over Tony like Wanda could take over other versions of herself but I know think they are going to do a variation of What If? Iron Man: Demon in an Armor Vol 1 (2011) - in this story Tony and Doom attend college together and they end up swapping bodies. Doom did this to gain access to Stark industries and Tony was left with amnesia thinking he was Doom - but he was still Tony at heart and became a good version of Dr Doom
This was, IMHO, one of your best discussions. As for questions you wanted to hear us answer, I doubt RDJ's Doom is from 616 universe/timeline, and my favourite post-Endgame projects are Loki for Disney+ series and Guardians 3 for films.
I personally think some of the shows would have made more sense as movies. Imo, Moon Knight should have been a movie. Falcon and the Winter Solider should have been the new Captain America movie for Anthony Mackie. She-Hulk Should have been a movie. I feel like the plot that happened in those shows could have been told over the runtime of a movie and better serve the story that they are trying to build to.
They're gonna pay that Dr Strange line off "Didn't you guys chart in the 60's?" Just like Dicaprios character in Once Upon A Time they had him doing singles and commercials. The F4 are going to be celebrated celebrities which gives a very cool new unique vibe. Can't wait.
I think the F4 or at least Reed will be heavily involved with the soft reboot at the end of Secret Wars and wherever they are is where the MCU proper is.
This was a great discussion! My favourite post-endgame project is Wandavision. The entire storyline and exploration of grief really hit me in a difficult time.
My favorite Post-Endgame MCU project has been between Deadpool & Wolverine, Spiderman: No Way Home, Falcon and The Winter Soldier, Wanda Vision was good to, outside of that, everything else has been...uneventful, or really bad writing, not understanding characters or the dynamics, but hopefully now that my favorite MCU project in years, Deadpool & Wolverine knockes it outta the park, I feel like there's potential for the rest of the upcoming slate, as a Marvel fan since the 1st X-Men film, all the way to now, I'm getting excited again for the future of my favorite superhero universe. 🙏🏾❤
What's weird is that I'm on both sides of the fence with RDJ as Doom. On one hand, I would've loved someone else to play Doom (which is still possible), but on the other hand, I can't help but to be psyched that RDJ is back and playing a character that I didn't see coming (more or less). From a business standpoint, I get why you bring back RDJ (and the Russos to an extent). The last few years have not been great for Marvel Studios, and bringing back names that helped people flock to the MCU initially is a smart move.
Im fown with RDJ as doom. The issue is people cannot separate him from stark. But, thats what get you in the seat, how do they do the separation? He wont even be the main doom. If everyone trust the Russos, then have faith that this will work. If anyone trust Mcfeely, then trust the writing. Im saying people need to give it a chance before saying how bad RDJ is for casting, cause we dont know. What i do know: we are all gonna watch the movie anyway
Nobody really cares about the Thunderbolts except for Bucky and Yelena. So fingers cross because this film "must succeed." Good is not good enough. This film has to be a win.
Honestly, if they establish Doom as this Hannibal Lecter/Voldemort type of character in the Fantastic Four movie, and maybe give him a short Disney + show, that could honestly be enough build up for him
I do get the racism and sexism argument, it’s 100% valid and why a lot of people act the way they are around the MCU. But also the “three white guys” were in a universe with about 6-10 other superheroes while they built a universe! I’d love Shuri or Shang Chi to have a trilogy by now to evolve them and their stories, but they’re in a much bigger pool of characters now so connecting to characters is difficult. People love Scarlet Witch because they’ve had the time to get to know her in a less crowded pool.
There is one "What if" story, where Tony Stark becomes Victor Von Doom (they switch bodies). Some speculate that the movie will, to some extent, be based on that.
Making Doom without any foundation a year (to the time of filming) before introducing him as a villain and scrapping the storyline with Kang is just dumbest decision ever. That's the truth, whoever doesn't see it is just a fool. End of discussion.
Favorite stuff post End Game: Wandavision, Loki, Spider-Man NWH, Shang Chi, Eternals (so much better than people give it credit for), She-Hulk (did some really interesting meta commentary), Moon Knight. There was some stuff I didn’t love (Secret Invasion), but the notion that it’s all bad or down hill is silly. I’ve always been of the belief that it was going to take longer to loop back around into a big event movie with so many more characters.
What I have a strong feeling about is that, Hector don’t get mad, this particular version of Victor Von doom is not going to be a mix of mysticism and technology like you are used to. I think this is going to be straight up technological wizard. Also, I am having the impression that much like the fantastic four there’s absolutely no origin story whatsoever. he is just going to exist already from the word go and that most probably the doomsday movie is him destroying the universes to consolidate the power
Here is another one for you fan theory of mine. Victor Vue in the fantastic four universe runs parallel to Tony Stark in our 616 universe. The only difference is the physical time in history that it all happens. In other words Victor Was paralleling, Tony Stark, and then one day because of how Victor grew up, he then the guys of Dr. doom. I mean to be honest the way Tony Stark kind of played out growing up in the Marvel universe, then seemed quite that different to dr. doom. They both lost their parents at the young age. They both went into the sciences because they were super geniuses. But were Tony Stark had his parents until the day. He was a teenager and everything else happened from there and the case of Victor Vue, parents died and early age, and he went off to study and ran into read, and and then left back to latveria because he wanted to use his knowledge to bring prosperity to his homeland. I’m just throwing suggestions out there.
I kinda like the idea of the fantastic four being not an origin story because it’s just like Tom Holland’s Spider-Man didn’t get an origin story (meaning where we saw him get bit by the spider) 😊
I first thought "Bob" was a crossover with the Top Gun universe. I truly have not disliked anything Marvel has put out ands have rewatched everything at least 3 times. I would say my favorite things post Endgame have been GotG3, Loki S1, WandaVison, and Ms. Marvel.
I completely agree with you. That is the thing that has made me so mad about the MCU films and series. We should be focusing and building these characters up not just giving them a series and then waiting 4 or 5 years before seeing them again. There is no connectivity between the projects showing us how these characters relationships. The Infinity Saga had that which made it strong.
The wrestling analogy is perfect. This is the equivalent if a well beloved wrestler came back for one more run straight to the top over the previous talent that the audience has invested in. I hate it, I'm also like Augustine in where the more I think about it the more I don't like it. Also I really don't like feeling super confident in where the story is going either, it feels too predictable now that the announcement of RDJ is made. He's going to be from the F4 timeline He won't be the main villain as we are to believe it's Galactus (which is annoying as well) At the end of that movie once Reed or he figures out Multiverse travel, he will then go through the portal and that will lead into Secret Wars. I don't like that it feels predictable. My favourite part about the Infinity Saga is I didn't know where the overall story was going to go. Whether they had a plan or not, I was always pleasantly surprised but this "surprise" feels like nostalgia bait and quite honestly, very desperate. Why not cast someone new you can trust to be the next big bad? Idk man, I just don't understand it. I get theres a Bendis run that from my brief research is quite liked/loved, but how the hell are you going to cram that in and take away the spotlight of what you've already established?
1:05:17 imagine during Deadpool 3, we see spider man swinging thru New York or maybe they time travel to see old Steve and Peggy dancing and just look at them from outside the window.
Hey I had a question. How will they be able to introduce Dr Doom who is such a big character and considering we haven’t had (I’m guessing) zero to little buildup of him and with filming commencing next year in the summer. Doesn’t this feel a bit rushed?
I definitely sympathize with you guys on the mixed emotions around the shock reveal of RDJ as Dr Doom. I am not a comic book reader personally, but I’ve mostly enjoyed the films over the last decade and a half. I don’t know if this could be explained somehow through comic books or not, but I am curious and cautiously optimistic that the Russo brothers can make this work. If there is any director out there who can justify it and make this choice work, it’s them, because they have delivered each time in the MCU so far. I’m worried, but hopeful, and I believe that’s the same sentiment you guys have around this whole thing.
My emotions when i saw RDJ in a Doom mask : 1. What the fuck???😱😱😱😱👏🏾👏🏾 2. Wait. How? 3. Hold on……🤔🤔🧐🤨 4. And the Russo brothers….?🤨 5. Hmmmmm…..i feel conflicted 🫠🫣
In the end, basically what I’m trying to say with all this theories, I’m throwing out is that they are going to do a hard reset and not everyone is going to survive up to now a lot of characters survived and I think the purpose was for this end of everything to have everybody here and just be able to kill Practically everyone and start with a core group
😊 hey Hector. Here’s a theory for you how about this? In the universe that the fantastic four are going to be coming from because of that landscape from hall H that they showed on the main screen how about that their universe technology advanced a lot earlier than in our universe so because of science and technology Renaissance came early. You have all this futuristic advancements, but instead of in the Late 20th century it was early 20th century and that then would leave as far as in time you have this fantastic four family of very intelligent people but set in a 1960s futuristic style setting. Now if they are saying that we will see the fantastic four again in, secret wars, doomsday what that sounds to me like either the end of fantastic four will have them escaping into the Multiverse to come to our present day 616 or it ends with them escaping and then we do not see the resolution of that until secret wars, doomsday.
I'm just keeping an open mind about Doom casting, and really feels to early to even worry about it because there is a whole 2025 slate of movies im just hoping are good enough on their own. I'm certainly not worried that RDJ can give a great performance, that in itself is in good hands, but it's hard not to be cynical about the story plan given how early they announced it. We know it's a stunt, and we already see it working it's magic with the Internet buzz, but what came first? the great idea for a story that gave them the opportunity to cast RDJ, or the need to get him back to revitalize the buzz around the MCU so they build something around that to get him back? obviously i hope it's the former and that Feige wouldn't pull such a stunt that looks so blatantly obviously cash-grabby unless he was confident that they would be able to convince most of us in the end that it was the right move.
I have overall liked most of the things they’ve done since endgame and I really love D&W, Shang chi, Spider-Man no way home, but I feel like the overall quality of the mcu has taken a dip since endgame. Also with multiverse it just feels like there are no consequences within the story.
In hindsight, it feels silly that Jonathan Majors was fired after his spat with his gf. He was the main villain, ffs. Why axe him? This is the main reason why Phase 4 and 5 MCU are inferior to what came before. This huge, confusing pivot just looks like messy damage control on their part. Combine that with the atrocious quality of films like Ant Man 3, Thor 4, and Deadpool 3, and I would say the MCU is dead.
@@kevinconrad7648 Only if you like endless cameos, callbacks, swearing and gratuitious violence. 🤡Lolllz that guy got stabbed in the dick! Lolllz that guy got his skin ripped off!🤡
I'll give you another wrestling saying: 'Just because it's not how you fantasy booked it, doesn't mean it's not good booking'. Also, you don't know the story they're going to tell so let's not judge before that. You'll never enjoy anything if you do this. And to say that it's not what's in the comics, is gatekeeping for the majority who aren't comic book fans. Despite what you say now, at the end of the day, the naysayers will go see the movie anyway.
Hey Fellas, quick question.. Isn't that how the Avengers reformed in the comics after Civil war, they were inspired/concerned about the Champions/Young Avengers running around doing their job and fighting villains?
After the Avengers: Disassembled after the Scarlet Witch almost wiped them out, the young heroes in Young Avengers formed a team (because there were no adult Avengers at the time) and that was part of the reason Cap and the rest made a new team in the comic book "New Avengers".
Shang Chi was easily the strongest new film after Endgame and it had the original iron man magic and charm. They should have capitalized and built on him. His character could easily be a major leader.
The hypocrisy of when you’re for something and others aren’t but expecting everyone else to “let them Cook” is insane. Let them cook. They probably have a plan
So I went to do a quick search online of Romanian actors right now visually in their photos they look pretty damn good. I don’t know about their acting, but they look really good and most of them are relatively young and they could possibly do the work. I keep forgetting that Sebastian Stanis Romanian, but we got him doing something else for us😂😂😂
What's your favorite MULTIVERSE SAGA project so far?
Gotta be loki
it's a 4 way tie between Loki, No Way Home, and Multiverse of Madness, and X-Men 97 with a second place shout out to She-Hulk.
Shang Chi and X-Men '97
oh pretty much the shows on disney+ bec of how they flesh out the characters that were secondary during the infinity saga. also, what if is just batshit crazy and i love it lol
Eternals❤
When they said " We need the greatest actor of all time." part of me legitimately thought, yo! did we get Daniel Day Lewis?!!! Lol 😂🤣
That would have been wild!
I’ve luckily tuned out the mcu fan toxicity by only going to you guys for news, reactions, discussions etc. because yall are positive, understanding, and constructive. That said, even I started losing interest in the MCU post endgame because of the overwhelming output and overall dip in quality. I found myself leaving a lot of mcu shows and movies feeling that they were just okay. It also doesn’t help that it’s been a long time since we’ve seen characters. But when an MCU project hits, I’m there to support it and talk about it. My favorites have been Loki, Ms. marvel, X-men 97 and Deadpool. These projects leave me inspired and excited about the MCU. I just want to see high quality stuff.
I fully believe that Thunderbolts is gonna be the Guardians of this saga, not just in terms of being the underdog surprise hit that nobody expected, but also because it’s gonna be a group of misfits finding understanding and connection with each other. These are all characters dismissed, disregarded, tossed aside, and used whether in universe or by the audience, and I think this story is gonna be eye opening on some of these characters so that fans will look at them in a new light. Never underestimate the underdog story.
OK Agustin, w/the ATCQ shirt!! ✊🏾
I stand with Hector, team Eternals!
That 3D Cap 4 trailer before DP&W.... chef's kiss!!! 🙌🙌🙌🙌
Every reason everyone made about why they didn’t like the RDJ is why Avengers Doomsday will be so good when the Russo Brothers knock it out of the park. Let them cook, they’re 4/4 with Kevin and Marvel.
Right! every reason they made as to why they didn't like the RDJ casting is why Avengers Doomsday will be so successful, people judge before they see it and when the movie does comes out and be successful because RDJ is a amazing actor, I will remember all the fans talking shit, or wanted another actor to play Dr. Doom, and doubting the movie.
Exactly. It's like when everyone talked shit about Heath Ledger as Joker, and he turned out to be brilliant. Let it play out.
Yeah the more I think about it, I'm always left with the thought. Yeah but how will RDJ execute this performance.
I love how Hector say these wild suggestions and predictions but not talk mega negatively about things that are already announced. The correct way to react to things.
Look at you dictating what's correct
Missed you guys, sorry I've not watched a single video in like a year! Love to be back!
Welcome back to the BBQ!
Hector is 1000% correct about the thinly-veiled racism and sexism that's inherent in much of the criticism of phase 4 and 5. Not every critique is coming from that place, there are plenty of valid things to bring up that haven't been great. But it's become increasingly easy to tell when the same people have the same dumb things to say as soon as a trailer drops for a new project led by a person of color or a woman.
@@brandonmiracle9810 There’s grifters on UA-cam like Nerdrotic that make a living off of just calling everything marvel and Star Wars releases “woke”
I find it kinda sus they didnt mention Blade at all. When it still has a 2025 release window.
That movie is never happening.
It’s been botched several times over in the writing process, whatever the pitch was…certainly that isn’t what it’s going to be anymore
@@mnoir7257 sadly i think youre right.
Yah that date for Blade is going to disappear in the next month lol
After what a certain cameo said in D&W, like what @mnooir7257 said, I don't think that movie will happen.
I'm pretty sure they said somewhere that RDJ is the Victor von Doom in a different universe but will move over to ours. Probably in the end credits of fantastic four when they move over since they start in a different universe as well. We can still very much have our own Doom later who's a different actor
When You Have Hugh Jackman and Henry Cavill Both Play wolverine why would you cast someone else to be shorter and an all new wolverine when we have 2 greater options . Logan suppose to be older then Scott and Jean. Now a new Professor and magneto go ahead .
I think there are further ramifications for Kang leaving what about the end credit scene in Shang Chi? I always just assumed maybe it was Kang
Matt Shakman did say he’s known about the RDJ casting for a hot minute. He also would neither confirm or deny RDJ being in Fantastic Four. I’m going to assume then that this Doom is from the same universe as the Fantastic Four. That’s just my opinion though. I could be dead wrong and reading way too much into Matt’s comments.
I’ve really enjoyed phases 4 and 5 of the MCU. I really push back against this “directionless” idea that people have, especially phase 4. I love that almost every phase 4 project dealt with grief in some way. Shang-Chi and Eternals have been my favorite projects post Endgame.
I feel exactly the same way! Thank you 💜
*Grabs mic* Oh, so y'all want me to talk about Eternals? Get ready, I've got a whole essay prepared. I could wax poetic about how warm this movie is (we don’t talk enough about how emotional the Eternals are as superheroes. They suffer devastating losses, a shattering of their realities/conceptions of self and we see them cry! A lot! We see them sob at the news of Ajak’s death. Druig cries when he’s told that as gods, essentially, they cannot step in to end genocides and mass colonizations of entire peoples. He also cries because Ajak is willing to erase who Thena is in order to “cure” her “mental illness”, something he condemns. Sersi cries when she learns the true fate of planet earth and the actual mission that her and the other Eternals were sent on. Thena weeps as she experiences madweary and is unable to help her fellow comrades when under attack. Ikaris cries as he experiences guilt. Phastos breaks down in his utter disappointment in humanity and how they’ve used his gifts to harm one another. This is such an emotionally rich film and it's honestly such a breath of fresh air in movies like these where tragedies happen and heroes recover quickly or aren’t given time to feel. The psychological aspect behind being a super powered being burdened to protect is so-)
But I did want to speak on some of the criticisms around the film because I don't necessarily disagree with a lot of them, just that none of faults this movie has ruins it for me. It would benefit from some trimming and a bit of lengthening, sure. I feel like there's a 3 hour version of this movie that makes it into people's top 5 MCU projects. Hear me out:
The weakest point of the film were its two central characters, Sersi/Ikaris whom the movie is hinging much of the emotional weight on when it is most effective with the rest of the other Eternals.
Like the whole Ikaris/Sprite situation: it is absolutely understandable to me why Sprite, a 7,000 year old being stuck in the body of a 12-year-old, would be angry about never “growing up.” Though not explored in the film, I get why she is jealous seeing Sersi-the first of the Eternals to experience romantic love, be married-get everything that Sprite herself also wants because she will never be able to have that. That’s a really interesting and complex character piece. So I buy that there would be a love triangle, I just don’t know why Sprite likes Ikaris at all besides reasoning that he is an objectively attractive person with leadership capabilities, is portrayed as the protector and most powerful of the group. I get that her pain is the perpetual feeling of never leading a “full adult life” but why she’s attracted to Ikaris specifically is never explored. There is a version of this love triangle where Sprite likes Sersi as opposed to giving her the compulsive heteronormative desire for a man and nuclear family. It would’ve been neat to see a Sprite, and honestly more of the Eternals, rejecting the heteronormative conventions of our society. (In my mind, Sprite is nonbinary, Druig is gender queer, Makkari is bi, and Ajak is aroace. The Eternals are basically lower level gods-below the Celestials that is-so I don’t buy that all of them would occupy any one gender or sexuality.)
That said, had the movie been longer, the payoff for Sprite’s betrayal would have been that much more impactful because it is only in the rewatches that you notice the exchanges she has with Ikaris; they are caring and affectionate towards each other (but moreso in the way of a protective parent-child). That scene where the 3 of them are in the car driving to meet Ajak before finding out she has died, Sersi is driving, Ikaris is in the back looking longingly at her and resting on his shoulder happily is Sprite. At first you don’t think much of this, but it isn't until the end that you recall moments like these as ones that Sprite savors because it is the only way she can be close with him. We needed to have seen more of that to tension in order to convince us of her leaving the group to run away with Ikaris since that is all she ever wanted, regardless of the fact that she truly does love and care for Sersi who has been her sole companion, friend, and confidant post the Eternals dispersing. The runtime as it stands does not allow us to feel Sprite’s wants as deeply as she feels them. I don’t feel her desperation for another kind of life enough for her to stab Sersi. She tells us the absence she feels, but we don’t see it except for those small background moments like her watching any interaction that Ikaris and Sersi have in sorrow.
Similarly, I wanted to see more of Ikaris’ quiet devotion to the Celestials because his conflict is basically: believing in a god + divine order in the face of free will and the truth that gods are not all perfect. His story arc is loss of faith; he goes from being a firm believer in the Celestials to realizing all his devotion should go to his loved ones. I needed to feel his unyeilding trust in Arishem so much in order to justify why he feels he must kill the spiritual leader of their group in order to preserve the only thing he knows. Because essentially, if the celestial Tiamut was willing to aid the Eternals in his own death so that earth could go on living, then it meant that 1) Arishem is not the supreme or only authority, 2) Arishem’s way is not the only way and, 3) Sometimes gods are wrong. Ikaris kills himself because he no longer understands his own purpose. His guilt over the means with which he sought to protect what he thought was natural and right by harming members of his own is such rich, dramatic material. He makes for a good tortured villain, and with a cast this stacked, the bad guy had to be someone within the family, so I wish we got to explore more of his internal dilemma. That way his stoicism in the film feels that much more intentional right from the get-go.
Lastly, Sersi’s character evolution is of coming into her own. We are told that Sersi underestimates herself, her own strength and we see others underestimate her power set. I would have liked to have seen more of a focus on Sersi testing the limits of what she can do and her dealing with having her wings clipped. She is made to believe she cannot transform sentient beings, something that turned out to be a lie so, Ajak/Arishem have been holding her back from reaching her true potential for whatever reason, at least it is implied (or maybe this was something she told herself but Ajak would’ve known differently still). So much of her character was entangled with Ikaris that if given more time, it would've been good to see her navigating her own isolated struggle outside of him and discovering herself.
Of course, Thena + Gilgamesh/ Kingo + Sprite/ Druig + Makkari are duos that I would have liked to have spent infinitely more time with, as well as Phastos with the life he carved out for himself. Ajak was also let go of too soon. If she indeed had to go, I think with more time, seeing her have more suspicions of the Celestials’ plans and ultimate rejection of their way, plus her growing affection for humans, and her mistake in how she raised Ikaris (because she is partly responsible for why he turns out the way he does and was setting him up to be her successor to fulfill the duties of the Celestials) all would have been interesting to see.
That said, I understood the moves they were making, they just didn’t have the time to make them as impactful as they could have been given all the world building it was tasked with...
Guys I watched this movie 7x in theaters, three of those viewings were all in the same week. There's so much more I have to say, but I'll leave it here. I LOVE Eternals and I'll be DEVASTATED if we never see those characters again. In a world where Thor 2 flops and Chris Hemsworth still gets 2+ more films, the Eternals should still get to continue their story, especially given how artful it is. This will be my villain origin story, I swear.
I smell what you're steppin' in, Sensei. GREAT post. 🫡
From Guardians, Moon Knight, and Eternals, i learned that i really enjoy watching MCU titles that i dont know anything about. So im hype and look forward to Thunderbolt!
I agree. With Guardians and Eternals I ended up really liking those characters and checking out their comics. They have a pretty good track record of making lesser known characters shine. So I'm hyped, especially to see more of Bucky and John Walker's relationship.
marvel has already told the audience roughly how this is going to work in bits and pieces. RDJ is playing the victor von doom from the universe that the new fantastic 4 are from. its already been stated that the fantastic 4 are from another universe other than the secret timeline, and that its not a origin story and that its a retro futuristic timeline. thats why RDJ is perfect for this victor role as he is older now and the fantastic 4 we are getting are already established.
in the fantastic 4 footage they showed at hall H, reed richards is studying the possibility of the multiverse. so whatever ends up bringing the fantastic 4 over to the sacred timeline also brings their victor von doom which of course will end up causing confusion when he shows up looking like tony stark. since the sacred timeline is missing its tony stark (who is most likely the anchor) this new victor/tony may become the new anchor of the sacred timeline which will mess everything up
Also if you watched the hall h footage, RDJ says new mask, same task. what was tony starks task in the MCU? a suit of armor around the world. what was on stage with RDJ during his dr.doom reveal? Doombots, the robots dr. doom makes. new mask, same task.
"What! Tony, you lost another superbot?!"
Stark not the anchor. It’s Tom Hollands Spider-Man. I think Doom goes around the multiverse knocking off anchor beings until he gets to Loki, who is currently Yggdrasil. That throne eerily looks similar to that stump Doom was sitting on when he became God Emperor Doom.
@@eaglesphan5650 marvel is not making someone the anchor who they don't have full rights to
I love that Hugh Jackman returned for D+W, but I truly hope that for the MCU, they just clean the slate for the mutants, and recast everyone.
100% agreed.
Adam hit it on the head, we're going into two massive avengers movies without building any new heroes to root for especially for casual audiences. It's not that the new heroes aren't good, it's that we aren't even seeing them! They aren't spending any time together either and building their team or relationships.
Russos. Feige. Downey Jr. McFeely.All have earned our trust in MULTIPLE mega-hit films. So I trust in the Dr. Doom decision, particularly since we don’t have any context on how the story will go, I’m willing to go on trust alone. And remember, the MCU has always been FAR from comic accurate.
I love the RDJ pick because this to me means we wont get the new xmen class until the "reset". People wanted the Multiverse saga to end, so they are gona END the 616 we know imo
I think Wong has had the most appearances in projects post Endgame. Shang-Chi, No Way Home, Multiverse of Madness and She-Hulk
Guilty as charged with being an Eternals fan. I'm pretty interested in seeing what the MCU will be up to next!
I LOOOOOVED The Eternals. I understand if we never see those characters again, but I'd be so excited if they got a life beyond that film.
That comment from Kevin definitely gave me confidence that they’ve got this whole thing figured out and that they’re going to stay true to the character of dr doom. I think he’s got potential to be the scariest villain yet. Thanks for the video guys, really enjoyed listening to this one 😊
Should have rehired Jonathan Majors after they released the case info and he was proven innocent of actually beating the girl. He got accidental assault because of closing a door. I know Disney is real quick about stuff like this but idc he deserves a second chance
Hi Hector! One of the dozens of Eternals fans here, and I would go as far and say it is on my Mount Rushmore of MCU!
first video of yours that ive watched. cant believe im only finding this channel now. excellent and lucid discussions. cant refute what was said. the middle portion of this video was the best. my fav movie post endgame is multiverse of madness and loki season 2.
I’m actually excited for captain america 4
And thunderbolts!
Me too❤❤
Doom and Stark have been linked in multiple ways in the comics, this will just be a new way. Kinda like how ALL OF THE MCU is a new, different, non comic accurate take - and always has been.
Hector, Adam and Agustin going in on MCU and Secret Wars for 1:22 hr
me: keep going
I have so many predictions of what might happen. So excited. Could they split the hero roster so everyone gets decent time?
Doom wipes out F4’s universe at the start of Doomsday and they escape into another universe.
Doomsday - The Deadpool/Fox/Sony universe
Secret Wars - 616 & 10005 come together.
Ms. Marvel was probably my favorite post-Endgame MCU product, but I truly have loved everything except Secret Invasion and Quantumania. Didn't love Dr. Strange 2, but I don't think it was necessarily bad. I just think a lot of the decisions they've made very recently have confounded me.
I loved Phase 4. Each project was about loss and legacy. It was like an extended epilogue to the Infinity Saga because it emphasized the high stakes had real consequences. All I asked of post-Endgame MCU was bring me something fresh and new faces.
The Multiverse Saga has given them the opportunity to fold in Fox and Marvel Netflix characters. I haven't always been happy about certain reappearances, but I'm confident Feige and team know this Saga is the best excuse to test and flex concepts. Phases 4-6 had to navigate Covid, strikes, Disney+, and an actor problem. I think the other side of this will be more cohesive (barring any repeat catastrophes).
My favorite part of the panel was that when all the Doombots come out RDJ was the last one on stage bc he tripped LMAO
There's only one post Endgame project that I don't like, and even within that one there is stuff that I think works! I'm just excited to see more of the characters I love on the big screen!!
I TOTALLY agree with you guys about RDJ. Doom deserves more respect in the sense that he shouldn't have a muddled casting, fraught with controversy. Doom should've had an original (different) actor play the part. RDJ is AMAZING, no one's saying otherwise. He just shouldn't have ever been cast as Doom. Smh, hopefully they change my mind on this and I'm blown away.
Guardians 3 and the Loki show are my favorite post MCU projects!
I'm pretty sure his contract stated only he could play variants of Kang. The contract was voided as soon as he was convicted so anyone could play him afterwards but clearly they're moving away from the character
I am with you heck I loved Eternals everything the music the characters the actors the sense amazing 9/10 for me idc what anyone says I loved it watched it 5x
1:21:20 loved multiverse of madness hyped to see more doctor strange in the mcu
I would be more excited if Doom was played by an Eastern European actor than RDJ. It gives Doom just a little bit more authenticity, now it's an American with an accident.
Also, I like your more critical analysis of the whole thing.
I'm really glad you guys brought up the actual issues with that Doom casting, including the fact that another Romani character, particularly one whose identity is integral to his origins, has been whitewashed by the MCU yet again. As a fan of Doom in the comics, I hate this decision and casting but of course, as you guys pointed out, this wasn't for readers or those who have read his comics, so the movie will make all the money in the world regardless
This casting is for the 98% of general non comic fans. And it works really great so far.
Anchor beings. It’ll be believed by the avengers that Stark was the anchor being of the sacred timeline which will prompt them to bring in Stark variants. One of which will be a multiverse Doom which will then kick off Secret Wars. Too bad the real anchor being of the timeline was Thanos.
What???? This Doom casting is a brilliant decision, shear genius!!!!!!!
I do feel like some of the MCU fall off could be related to them releasing too many things at once.
While Disney+ was a great place to expand the universe and tell cool stories, I know people didn’t watch every single show and movie that was released.
For some people I can see it feeling more like homework instead of something they looked forward to like the infinity Saga.
The infinity saga made comics easily digestible for the general audience, but I don’t think a lot of MCU general audience fans were ready for the live action equivalent of tie-in comics lol.
Hector is cookin’ with his Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers theory!
I thought they were going to have Doom take over Tony like Wanda could take over other versions of herself but I know think they are going to do a variation of What If? Iron Man: Demon in an Armor Vol 1 (2011) - in this story Tony and Doom attend college together and they end up swapping bodies. Doom did this to gain access to Stark industries and Tony was left with amnesia thinking he was Doom - but he was still Tony at heart and became a good version of Dr Doom
This was, IMHO, one of your best discussions. As for questions you wanted to hear us answer, I doubt RDJ's Doom is from 616 universe/timeline, and my favourite post-Endgame projects are Loki for Disney+ series and Guardians 3 for films.
This was such a good video!
Thanks!!!
I personally think some of the shows would have made more sense as movies. Imo, Moon Knight should have been a movie. Falcon and the Winter Solider should have been the new Captain America movie for Anthony Mackie. She-Hulk Should have been a movie. I feel like the plot that happened in those shows could have been told over the runtime of a movie and better serve the story that they are trying to build to.
They're gonna pay that Dr Strange line off "Didn't you guys chart in the 60's?" Just like Dicaprios character in Once Upon A Time they had him doing singles and commercials. The F4 are going to be celebrated celebrities which gives a very cool new unique vibe. Can't wait.
I think the F4 or at least Reed will be heavily involved with the soft reboot at the end of Secret Wars and wherever they are is where the MCU proper is.
This was a great discussion! My favourite post-endgame project is Wandavision. The entire storyline and exploration of grief really hit me in a difficult time.
The dark avengers title switch is such a good point!
My favorite Post-Endgame MCU project has been between Deadpool & Wolverine, Spiderman: No Way Home, Falcon and The Winter Soldier, Wanda Vision was good to, outside of that, everything else has been...uneventful, or really bad writing, not understanding characters or the dynamics, but hopefully now that my favorite MCU project in years, Deadpool & Wolverine knockes it outta the park, I feel like there's potential for the rest of the upcoming slate, as a Marvel fan since the 1st X-Men film, all the way to now, I'm getting excited again for the future of my favorite superhero universe. 🙏🏾❤
What's weird is that I'm on both sides of the fence with RDJ as Doom. On one hand, I would've loved someone else to play Doom (which is still possible), but on the other hand, I can't help but to be psyched that RDJ is back and playing a character that I didn't see coming (more or less).
From a business standpoint, I get why you bring back RDJ (and the Russos to an extent). The last few years have not been great for Marvel Studios, and bringing back names that helped people flock to the MCU initially is a smart move.
Im fown with RDJ as doom. The issue is people cannot separate him from stark. But, thats what get you in the seat, how do they do the separation? He wont even be the main doom. If everyone trust the Russos, then have faith that this will work. If anyone trust Mcfeely, then trust the writing. Im saying people need to give it a chance before saying how bad RDJ is for casting, cause we dont know. What i do know: we are all gonna watch the movie anyway
Nobody really cares about the Thunderbolts except for Bucky and Yelena. So fingers cross because this film "must succeed." Good is not good enough. This film has to be a win.
I personally don’t mind the MCU not continuing with the Kang storyline. I wasn’t too interested in the Kang character
Honestly, if they establish Doom as this Hannibal Lecter/Voldemort type of character in the Fantastic Four movie, and maybe give him a short Disney + show, that could honestly be enough build up for him
I do get the racism and sexism argument, it’s 100% valid and why a lot of people act the way they are around the MCU. But also the “three white guys” were in a universe with about 6-10 other superheroes while they built a universe! I’d love Shuri or Shang Chi to have a trilogy by now to evolve them and their stories, but they’re in a much bigger pool of characters now so connecting to characters is difficult. People love Scarlet Witch because they’ve had the time to get to know her in a less crowded pool.
There is one "What if" story, where Tony Stark becomes Victor Von Doom (they switch bodies). Some speculate that the movie will, to some extent, be based on that.
Making Doom without any foundation a year (to the time of filming) before introducing him as a villain and scrapping the storyline with Kang is just dumbest decision ever. That's the truth, whoever doesn't see it is just a fool. End of discussion.
Favorite stuff post End Game: Wandavision, Loki, Spider-Man NWH, Shang Chi, Eternals (so much better than people give it credit for), She-Hulk (did some really interesting meta commentary), Moon Knight. There was some stuff I didn’t love (Secret Invasion), but the notion that it’s all bad or down hill is silly. I’ve always been of the belief that it was going to take longer to loop back around into a big event movie with so many more characters.
What I have a strong feeling about is that, Hector don’t get mad, this particular version of Victor Von doom is not going to be a mix of mysticism and technology like you are used to. I think this is going to be straight up technological wizard. Also, I am having the impression that much like the fantastic four there’s absolutely no origin story whatsoever. he is just going to exist already from the word go and that most probably the doomsday movie is him destroying the universes to consolidate the power
Here is another one for you fan theory of mine. Victor Vue in the fantastic four universe runs parallel to Tony Stark in our 616 universe. The only difference is the physical time in history that it all happens. In other words Victor Was paralleling, Tony Stark, and then one day because of how Victor grew up, he then the guys of Dr. doom. I mean to be honest the way Tony Stark kind of played out growing up in the Marvel universe, then seemed quite that different to dr. doom. They both lost their parents at the young age. They both went into the sciences because they were super geniuses. But were Tony Stark had his parents until the day. He was a teenager and everything else happened from there and the case of Victor Vue, parents died and early age, and he went off to study and ran into read, and and then left back to latveria because he wanted to use his knowledge to bring prosperity to his homeland. I’m just throwing suggestions out there.
I kinda like the idea of the fantastic four being not an origin story because it’s just like Tom Holland’s Spider-Man didn’t get an origin story (meaning where we saw him get bit by the spider) 😊
id be stoked to see after doom story lines, kang reemerges and played by denzel washington. a stronger and wiser kang would be exciting to see
If Marvel doesn’t add the CzechXicans to The Marvel Parliament for the next phase, they’re trippin 🙏🏽
I first thought "Bob" was a crossover with the Top Gun universe.
I truly have not disliked anything Marvel has put out ands have rewatched everything at least 3 times. I would say my favorite things post Endgame have been GotG3, Loki S1, WandaVison, and Ms. Marvel.
Adam you been working out?
I completely agree with you. That is the thing that has made me so mad about the MCU films and series. We should be focusing and building these characters up not just giving them a series and then waiting 4 or 5 years before seeing them again. There is no connectivity between the projects showing us how these characters relationships. The Infinity Saga had that which made it strong.
The wrestling analogy is perfect.
This is the equivalent if a well beloved wrestler came back for one more run straight to the top over the previous talent that the audience has invested in. I hate it, I'm also like Augustine in where the more I think about it the more I don't like it. Also I really don't like feeling super confident in where the story is going either, it feels too predictable now that the announcement of RDJ is made.
He's going to be from the F4 timeline
He won't be the main villain as we are to believe it's Galactus (which is annoying as well)
At the end of that movie once Reed or he figures out Multiverse travel, he will then go through the portal and that will lead into Secret Wars.
I don't like that it feels predictable. My favourite part about the Infinity Saga is I didn't know where the overall story was going to go. Whether they had a plan or not, I was always pleasantly surprised but this "surprise" feels like nostalgia bait and quite honestly, very desperate. Why not cast someone new you can trust to be the next big bad? Idk man, I just don't understand it. I get theres a Bendis run that from my brief research is quite liked/loved, but how the hell are you going to cram that in and take away the spotlight of what you've already established?
I’m still unsure of RDJ but I’ll wait and see before I judge. The idea of Pedro vs RDJ is very tantalizing.
WAKANDA FOREVER
I don't think F4 is the race to space because they said it isn't an origin story
1:05:17 imagine during Deadpool 3, we see spider man swinging thru New York or maybe they time travel to see old Steve and Peggy dancing and just look at them from outside the window.
But to your point 100% agreed. There’s no Tony stark, it should be Sam Wilson or Spider-Man but damn Sony.
Hey I had a question. How will they be able to introduce Dr Doom who is such a big character and considering we haven’t had (I’m guessing) zero to little buildup of him and with filming commencing next year in the summer. Doesn’t this feel a bit rushed?
I definitely sympathize with you guys on the mixed emotions around the shock reveal of RDJ as Dr Doom. I am not a comic book reader personally, but I’ve mostly enjoyed the films over the last decade and a half. I don’t know if this could be explained somehow through comic books or not, but I am curious and cautiously optimistic that the Russo brothers can make this work. If there is any director out there who can justify it and make this choice work, it’s them, because they have delivered each time in the MCU so far. I’m worried, but hopeful, and I believe that’s the same sentiment you guys have around this whole thing.
Ok cool, LFG!
My emotions when i saw RDJ in a Doom mask :
1. What the fuck???😱😱😱😱👏🏾👏🏾
2. Wait. How?
3. Hold on……🤔🤔🧐🤨
4. And the Russo brothers….?🤨
5. Hmmmmm…..i feel conflicted 🫠🫣
In the end, basically what I’m trying to say with all this theories, I’m throwing out is that they are going to do a hard reset and not everyone is going to survive up to now a lot of characters survived and I think the purpose was for this end of everything to have everybody here and just be able to kill Practically everyone and start with a core group
45:53 holy shit hector that sounded scarily close to Tom holland lol
Endgame, we said goodbye to one character. Secret wars were saying goodbye to almost every character.
If someone wanted to watch a video of the entire Marvel panel, where would you recommend going to be able to watch it?
😊 hey Hector. Here’s a theory for you how about this? In the universe that the fantastic four are going to be coming from because of that landscape from hall H that they showed on the main screen how about that their universe technology advanced a lot earlier than in our universe so because of science and technology Renaissance came early. You have all this futuristic advancements, but instead of in the Late 20th century it was early 20th century and that then would leave as far as in time you have this fantastic four family of very intelligent people but set in a 1960s futuristic style setting. Now if they are saying that we will see the fantastic four again in, secret wars, doomsday what that sounds to me like either the end of fantastic four will have them escaping into the Multiverse to come to our present day 616 or it ends with them escaping and then we do not see the resolution of that until secret wars, doomsday.
I'm just keeping an open mind about Doom casting, and really feels to early to even worry about it because there is a whole 2025 slate of movies im just hoping are good enough on their own. I'm certainly not worried that RDJ can give a great performance, that in itself is in good hands, but it's hard not to be cynical about the story plan given how early they announced it. We know it's a stunt, and we already see it working it's magic with the Internet buzz, but what came first? the great idea for a story that gave them the opportunity to cast RDJ, or the need to get him back to revitalize the buzz around the MCU so they build something around that to get him back? obviously i hope it's the former and that Feige wouldn't pull such a stunt that looks so blatantly obviously cash-grabby unless he was confident that they would be able to convince most of us in the end that it was the right move.
I have overall liked most of the things they’ve done since endgame and I really love D&W, Shang chi, Spider-Man no way home, but I feel like the overall quality of the mcu has taken a dip since endgame. Also with multiverse it just feels like there are no consequences within the story.
In hindsight, it feels silly that Jonathan Majors was fired after his spat with his gf. He was the main villain, ffs. Why axe him?
This is the main reason why Phase 4 and 5 MCU are inferior to what came before. This huge, confusing pivot just looks like messy damage control on their part. Combine that with the atrocious quality of films like Ant Man 3, Thor 4, and Deadpool 3, and I would say the MCU is dead.
Uhh Deadpool 3 was good
@@kevinconrad7648 Only if you like endless cameos, callbacks, swearing and gratuitious violence. 🤡Lolllz that guy got stabbed in the dick! Lolllz that guy got his skin ripped off!🤡
Totally agree with your thoughts guys
I'll give you another wrestling saying: 'Just because it's not how you fantasy booked it, doesn't mean it's not good booking'.
Also, you don't know the story they're going to tell so let's not judge before that. You'll never enjoy anything if you do this. And to say that it's not what's in the comics, is gatekeeping for the majority who aren't comic book fans.
Despite what you say now, at the end of the day, the naysayers will go see the movie anyway.
Sure we'll go see it, but I want this character to WORK and I feel as though this decision might set up the character with challenges to overcome.
Hey Fellas, quick question.. Isn't that how the Avengers reformed in the comics after Civil war, they were inspired/concerned about the Champions/Young Avengers running around doing their job and fighting villains?
After the Avengers: Disassembled after the Scarlet Witch almost wiped them out, the young heroes in Young Avengers formed a team (because there were no adult Avengers at the time) and that was part of the reason Cap and the rest made a new team in the comic book "New Avengers".
Shang Chi was easily the strongest new film after Endgame and it had the original iron man magic and charm. They should have capitalized and built on him. His character could easily be a major leader.
The hypocrisy of when you’re for something and others aren’t but expecting everyone else to “let them
Cook” is insane. Let them cook. They probably have a plan
So I went to do a quick search online of Romanian actors right now visually in their photos they look pretty damn good. I don’t know about their acting, but they look really good and most of them are relatively young and they could possibly do the work. I keep forgetting that Sebastian Stanis Romanian, but we got him doing something else for us😂😂😂
I see Jonathan mayor's coming back
rdj could potentially be voice work only... maybe?
1:05:50 because it is!!! They just don’t want to admit it, which i don’t know why. They might as well. We all know it.
Agatha all along ah zoom when you guys said were gonna see it announced at D23