Ya, someone’s going to die on one of his job sites with work practices like this…. Hope it never happens but that’s reckless, especially after he even points out a crack forming…
Thats awesome. I am glad that you are making your videos. People will be watching them for years because Masonary is a lost art. Not many young guys want to do this work. Keep it up buddy.
Job looks good Ron. I hope ya got Craig a Bud Light after that one. 30 years ago in Plattsburgh at about this time of year I spent 3 days in a ditch like that. It's cold and hard to get around in that water and crap. Good on ya Craig.
I love your methods of doing things. You like me put 4' wide foam board in. I have seen so many guys do 2' wide at 18 - 20" deep footings. I'm in Maine with the same 4' frost depth. 2' wide foam board may be enough for some but not for me.
Good video. What you did with the insulation looks good and should protect the footing from frost heave, and we have done it for existing conditions, not new building. I am in Minnesota where the frost goes down 4 or more feet depending on the conditions. They require us to bury the footings a minimum of 42 inches deep. On a lot like that we would be required put in the 42" wall, then add fill on the outside to raise the grade to get the proper frost protection.
A shallow frost protected foundation should be legal in almost any part of the country. There is a table for your climate zone and insulation specifications for different zones. we are a 40" frost line here where I work.
With the price of insulation you might as well pour frost footings. water table is always a fight. I know Carl is a valuable machine but a skidloader would work it into the ground.
There is a skid steer on my list of wants. what do you recommend Matt? I want a track machine. The foam is way cheaper then the price of Nudura below frost. Also there was an old foundation under this thing.
@Bondo Built I wasn't questioning your method, you know your conditions and made the right one. I've always ran Bobcats, but I ran a New Holland last fall for a month while my machine was getting repaired. Very impressed. I run tire machines though, drive in mostly established yards and find tires don't tear it up as bad.
"Styrofoam wings" is what you may be referring to. BUT the wings need to be at a 4 degree angle and about 2 feet under ground from the edge of the wall. Put some gravel on top of the sytrofoam so that the water will drain better than if there is only solid dirt.
There is a complete French drain or perimeter drain system along the footer and under that foam board that goes to daylight. It's in the other videos of us putting in the pipe and stone.
Won’t the foam deteriorate over time under the ground like this causing the potential for frost heaving the foundation? I’m not an expert on the matter so excuse my ignorance.
@@bondobuilt386 I’ve taken out a foundation that we installed and had foam board under the floor, never saw an ant. Building was still good just tore down to build a different one
This build called for 2 foot of foam and 4 feet in the corners. I always go the extra and that's why I have 4 feet of foam and the insides of porches are filled completely with the foam. I over did it another words. Above the code for our frost line.
@@bondobuilt386 Sure do appreciate your response. I live in zone 7 up in Atlantic Canada and have been studying this Wing Insulation technique. Our frost line is 4 feet so I would be placing 4 foot from the basement foundation at 4 degrees at least for water run off. How did you tie in the Wings to the stryofoam walls? Did you use styrofoam or something else to seal the joint between the Wing and the foundation?
@@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs There is no need to seal the joint between the ICF block and the foam board. any water that might get in there will go into the perimeter drain and out to daylight drain. Keeping the water away will keep things from freezing.
@@bondobuilt386 Ah! Understood. One builder here in Canada suggested I use spray foam to seal the joint between the Icf block and rigid foam board. I guess with the spray foam there it might crack anyway from the movement of the foam board once pebbles and dirt is thrown on top of it to cover it. So spray foam to try to seal would not really do anything. Thanks so much. I have bookedmarked your video to refer to and show others should the occasion come up. 👍🇨🇦
I am used to doing it with an excavator that is 9’ wide and digging a 2’wide ditch. While this looked a little sketchy it wasn’t as bad as Bondo made it sound.
This is not a good idea to show others that it is ok to be in a trench that is not cut back properly without a trench box. If you are going to teach people how to do something always consider teaching them the safe way to do it. Your video is giving me high anxiety
@@peterrewa8006You’re joking right? Do you know anything about soil mechanics? OSHA is written in blood and lost lives. The guy even points out a crack in the video and says we need to hurry before it caves in! And with a water table that high it’s all the more likely. Total disregard for his employees, and even if they volunteer any foreman/ owner worth a shit would stop it and make sure his guys go home at the end of every shift.
I was all aboard until the trenching practice. Unbelievably disappointing… You seem like you care about your crew so much then let something like this happen on your job site… Risking a life for a sump pump hookup. Wild man…
You really should have a trench box when working that deep in the ground
Ya, someone’s going to die on one of his job sites with work practices like this…. Hope it never happens but that’s reckless, especially after he even points out a crack forming…
You inspire me to keep going with my UA-cam channel ! I appreciate your videos champ ! ✊🏼
That makes me smile my friend.
Your an inspiration boss! ✊🏼 you inspire me so much ! that ur one of the reasons why I started my UA-cam channel 💪🏼
Thats awesome. I am glad that you are making your videos. People will be watching them for years because Masonary is a lost art. Not many young guys want to do this work. Keep it up buddy.
Job looks good Ron. I hope ya got Craig a Bud Light after that one. 30 years ago in Plattsburgh at about this time of year I spent 3 days in a ditch like that. It's cold and hard to get around in that water and crap. Good on ya Craig.
Ya me and Greg had a few cold beers after that long day. Being in that ditch sucked I am sure bud.
I love your methods of doing things. You like me put 4' wide foam board in. I have seen so many guys do 2' wide at 18 - 20" deep footings. I'm in Maine with the same 4' frost depth. 2' wide foam board may be enough for some but not for me.
Awesome I thought the same thing 4' is better for sure.
Complicated project. Amazing you can pull it together so well.
Thanks buddy.
Good video. What you did with the insulation looks good and should protect the footing from frost heave, and we have done it for existing conditions, not new building. I am in Minnesota where the frost goes down 4 or more feet depending on the conditions. They require us to bury the footings a minimum of 42 inches deep. On a lot like that we would be required put in the 42" wall, then add fill on the outside to raise the grade to get the proper frost protection.
A shallow frost protected foundation should be legal in almost any part of the country. There is a table for your climate zone and insulation specifications for different zones. we are a 40" frost line here where I work.
True, but when you get a bonehead inspector it is not worth fighting.
@@buelowexcavating Someone should show him the frost protected foundation rule book that is on line with the climate zones.
Frost protected footings fully meet code in mn. If the inspector doesn’t like it, open up the code book and show him then carry on.
Working in the water can’t be fun, especially at the end of a long day. Battery operated transfer pump would have came in handy. Nice work out there!
Yes it would have. Thanks. Makes the beer taste better at the end of the day. LOL
I was thinking the other. I assume a place with rat problems, the rats will mess up the foam under the slab? Anything that can be done?
Get a real hungry cat. LOL. Seriously I don't think rats would try and go under the ground unless there was food under that foam then they would.
Gotta keep that bobkitten purring 🐱👍
For sure Andy. LOL
Happy Easter
Thanks Ed you as well bud.
Is this Ron Bond from the Mexico, NY area?
Yes it is.
Bondo where abouts in new york are you ??
Mexico New York.
I'm in wellsville new york
I'm surprised that you're not taping the drama of the foam board, so that they don't separate while they're being buried.
With the price of insulation you might as well pour frost footings. water table is always a fight. I know Carl is a valuable machine but a skidloader would work it into the ground.
You boys were gambling climbing into that deep of a trench
There is a skid steer on my list of wants. what do you recommend Matt? I want a track machine. The foam is way cheaper then the price of Nudura below frost. Also there was an old foundation under this thing.
@@iowamatt2519 For sure just watching it I'm like shit. LOL
@Bondo Built I wasn't questioning your method, you know your conditions and made the right one. I've always ran Bobcats, but I ran a New Holland last fall for a month while my machine was getting repaired. Very impressed. I run tire machines though, drive in mostly established yards and find tires don't tear it up as bad.
@@iowamatt2519 Thanks. A guy that helps me has a SLV 95 Kubota on track. That thing is a beast.
"Styrofoam wings" is what you may be referring to. BUT the wings need to be at a 4 degree angle and about 2 feet under ground from the edge of the wall. Put some gravel on top of the sytrofoam so that the water will drain better than if there is only solid dirt.
There is a complete French drain or perimeter drain system along the footer and under that foam board that goes to daylight. It's in the other videos of us putting in the pipe and stone.
Won’t the foam deteriorate over time under the ground like this causing the potential for frost heaving the foundation? I’m not an expert on the matter so excuse my ignorance.
No it should last for years it is very durable. Good Question.
@@bondobuilt386 I believe that the only natural enemy that Dow Styrofoam (and other EPS) has is ultraviolet. Of course, solvents will dissolve it too.
Heard of some concerns of ants
Getting into foam .
I never heard of that but you never know?
@@bondobuilt386 I’ve taken out a foundation that we installed and had foam board under the floor, never saw an ant. Building was still good just tore down to build a different one
that be awesome making a collaboration with you! we should definitely do a collaboration together for sure boss ! 🙌🏼
Big 60X72 pour tomorrow buddy. Grab your tools and head here. 80 yard pour.
I hope this thing doesn't cave in on him that could be very very bad
The corners are supposed to have a wider styrofoam length. There is a diagram on the internet showing and explaining why.
This build called for 2 foot of foam and 4 feet in the corners. I always go the extra and that's why I have 4 feet of foam and the insides of porches are filled completely with the foam. I over did it another words. Above the code for our frost line.
@@bondobuilt386 Sure do appreciate your response. I live in zone 7 up in Atlantic Canada and have been studying this Wing Insulation technique. Our frost line is 4 feet so I would be placing 4 foot from the basement foundation at 4 degrees at least for water run off. How did you tie in the Wings to the stryofoam walls? Did you use styrofoam or something else to seal the joint between the Wing and the foundation?
@@MegsCarpentry-lovedogs There is no need to seal the joint between the ICF block and the foam board. any water that might get in there will go into the perimeter drain and out to daylight drain. Keeping the water away will keep things from freezing.
@@bondobuilt386 Ah! Understood. One builder here in Canada suggested I use spray foam to seal the joint between the Icf block and rigid foam board. I guess with the spray foam there it might crack anyway from the movement of the foam board once pebbles and dirt is thrown on top of it to cover it. So spray foam to try to seal would not really do anything. Thanks so much. I have bookedmarked your video to refer to and show others should the occasion come up. 👍🇨🇦
I've tried that with a mini excavator, the trench caved in.
Good ting you are alive to tell about it.
@@buelowexcavating I didn't cave enough to tip the machine or anything but enough to make me want to try it again. Ground was a sandy clay.
@@AndyFromm Ya we almost caved in too. Had to hustle to get line in before we left that day.
I am used to doing it with an excavator that is 9’ wide and digging a 2’wide ditch. While this looked a little sketchy it wasn’t as bad as Bondo made it sound.
Dangerous that far below grade without cave in protection. Lucky.
Yes agree
Luck will run out on one of his job sites someday. Hope it never happens, but…. It does all the time…
You standing on the edge , and the boys not there ?
Ya they went home.
Why in the Sam #### did u allow a man to work in a trench well over his head? Without any showering.
Doesn’t care about his crew. Wildly negligent.
You don’t drink Budweiser products at all- for any reason.
Bondo🤙🔥🇺🇸
Hmmmm
This is not a good idea to show others that it is ok to be in a trench that is not cut back properly without a trench box. If you are going to teach people how to do something always consider teaching them the safe way to do it. Your video is giving me high anxiety
You are joking right?
@@peterrewa8006You’re joking right? Do you know anything about soil mechanics? OSHA is written in blood and lost lives. The guy even points out a crack in the video and says we need to hurry before it caves in! And with a water table that high it’s all the more likely. Total disregard for his employees, and even if they volunteer any foreman/ owner worth a shit would stop it and make sure his guys go home at the end of every shift.
I was all aboard until the trenching practice. Unbelievably disappointing… You seem like you care about your crew so much then let something like this happen on your job site… Risking a life for a sump pump hookup. Wild man…