Sainsmart Genmitsu PROVerXl 6050 Plus CNC machine review
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
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In this video I review the Sainsmart Genmitsu PROVerXl 6050 Plus CNC machine, produce some projects, do some tests and answer some questions. Hopefully to see just how powerful this
Intro: 00:00
Specifications 01:08
Projects 08:28
Review 13:30
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Thank you James ! I am trying to learn about CNC router and buy one next year. Your video is really informative. I would love to get more tips and tricks from you.
Great review. I cannot wait to see you review between this and the 6060. I was really upset that I upgraded my 4030 to a 1010 just to see it release a new CNC a month or two later.
Wonderful review, looks like a great machine that has the opportunity for adding a router or larger spindle. Thank you for sharing this with us today, stay safe happy and healthy, from Henrico County Virginia
Lavoro con fresatrici CNC da almeno 20 anni, è il mio core business ;) Il problema principale di questa macchina è che c'è solo una vite centrale sull'asse X. E questo non è accettabile per nessun motivo. Ho preso una FoxAlien Vasto XL per 300 €. in più, e sono molto più tranquillo. Grazie per la bella recensione!
Great review and nice video
Good review mate, I just purchased a Bluecarve CNC here in Australia ( actually made here 😮🧐) & I love it. These machines add another dimension to woodworking 🇦🇺🍻👍
Thank you. Hope you enjoy your machine and do let me know how you get on as that's not a brand I've heard of before
@@JamesDeanDesigns No worries mate 🍺👍
Excellent video James! I am looking forward to the comparison video with the 4030... For the 6050, I wonder what wattage laser it will handle. I heard somewhere that the 4030 controller box could only handle a 5 watt laser unaided... If you want to use a 10 watt you would need to use an external power supply for the laser.. What do you think the 6050 could handle? Hopefully at least a 10 watt laser... As big as the new controller box is, it should be able to run a nuclear power plant!!
Hi James, great review! I was wondering how load this CNC is especially compared to a CNC with a Mikita router. I would think the spindle is quieter. Thanks!
Excellent video as always. Is the Z axis on the 6050 robust enough to handle a 1.5Kw water cooled spindle? They seem to weigh about 4.5 kgs.
I would love to see the build/strength of this machine in a slightly smaller x and y form factor. I don't need that large of an area but I would like to keep the Z capabilities and the overall strength of the machine.
Great review, how do you think this compares to the FoxAlien Vosto?
Very nice machine, but out of my price range. I am currently looking looking at the fox ailen masture 40 40 with a 40 watt laser
Hi James I'm a total newbie dinosaur to CNC I've switched loads of your Videos on different Cnc routers and what can buy I'm in the process of making my own but I'm going a little big but I'm also going to buy a 3018 Pro max to make better parts and replace them 😊 .1st of all thank you for all your Videos you help me and a lot of wood workers to understand the ins and outs of cnc .now James what I'm after is I've got some nema 17 stepper motors for my new build are they bug enough to run a 6060 .Plus can I install more the one control system if i dont like one yours hopefully Keith
Excellent video James, thanks for the info. I should have my 6050 my the first of the year(UPS is being slow). Could you please tell me what the 65mm splined mount is made of? Keep up the good work.
Enjoy 😁 The mount that comes with this is just made from cast aluminium
Thank you for the very helpful review. Is it compatible with the software Carbide Create? Any light you could provide would be greatly appreciated.
Could you do a video cutting up to 3inch aluminium? I know its a big ask but its all im looking to buy a cnc for. If its able to handle cutting out a part I'll buy right away. Thank you.
Hello, I'm new to cnc and soon to be retired so I'll have time to research and learn the programs. I'm wondering if this machine, with a router, is strong enough to make the custom wood police badges that I see online? They are normally 1"-1 1/2" thick and have a lot of detail/various dimensions. Appreciate any input this community, or Mr. Dean, can provide. Thanks
Thanks for another great video!
How did you attach the spoilboard strips to the bed sections? Adhesive or screws from the lower side?
I bought a Sainsmart 3018 Pro but ended up sending it back after a couple of weeks. The kit was beautiful, and it ran very well right out of the box. It just wasn't going to do the job for me as I want more power and precision. I'll be ordering a 6050 tonight!
The initial piece of MDF on this are screwed from underneath. If you want to add additional spoilboard slats then I would probably use blue tape and CA glue or strong double sided tape
Curious what you think about this CNC vs. the Foxalien Vasto CNC? The Foxalien has a 400W spindle and ball screws, its now on sale for $1900 so that brings it close to the cost of this one. But this one has larger stepper motors and seems like a better bed design with less flex. For my use I'm looking to do mostly soft metal work. Love your content!
If you don't need all the Z clearance from the 6050 and plan to mainly do metal, get the vasto. the ballscrews make it a studier machine!
Thank you so much for the informational and instructional videos for newbies like me. After having the Sainsmart 3018 Pro for half a year, I have just received my PROVerXL 6050 Plus and looking forward to assembly and first time use.
QUESTION: While I will start with a Makita router in the build, is there a way where I can use bits from my 3018 Pro (all are smaller than 1/4 inch, most with 1/8 inch)?
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Subbed...Just what i was looking for!!! Ordered the last one on the site using your link! I have a few upgrade questions. I need recommendations for a 40w laser/air assit combo for this unit, I also saw your review on the Fox, what kind of laser catch/waste board set up would i need for such a laser and, also a 2.2W water cooled spindle recommendation as well. Lastly, I only have a 110 set up in my garage here in the US, does that affect the power output of any of these devices?
Wish I would have known it's a "pre-order" item. Though the website says "one left" And now they say there are factory manufacturing problems and shipments will be delayed further. Maybe I'll just cancel my order, don't want to wait until July.
Hi James
Nice review. In your opinion would this be to advanced for a person new to cnc. Thinking of getting a cnc machine but I don't fancy spending that much on my first machine. So I'm torn between fox ailien 4040 and gemitsu 4030 I want one around that size and wondering from a beginner pont of which would you recommend for me to get. Space is not a issue as I have enough in my shed for it.
Thanks
From my experience, the 4030 was generally easier from a beginners point of view. I've never had any issues with lead screws but have had some with belts. I think issues with belts are a little harder to diagnose
What offline control does it use.
Hi James, how's that for timing....I bought one after see your build video and had just finished the build and come inside to see your review appear....Could I ask if you had any rough running noises, mine is rough on the X axis but only when moving from left to right.Not sure if the drag chain is put it under pressure, seems quite tight.
I also had a spare aluminium bracket supplied that wasn't listed in the manual, think it would fit the Z axis perhaps for the laser.
Great review 👏
I sprayed the lead screw with dry lubricant and that helped the noise on the X axis. I think the metal shield actually makes the noise sound worse as well. I can't remember having a spare bracket but I'll check when I am next in the work shop
I had the same noise and it was driving me nuts. I found the problem and need to let Sainsmart know they need better quality control. The lead screw is actually to long. The extra length is being smashed between the stepper motor shaft and lead screw causing too much pre load on the bearings. I removed 3 mm off of all three lead screws and it is quiet now.
Hi James!
How does this compare to a FA Vasto CNC in your opinion when it comes to sturdiness, accuracy and overall build quality?
Build quality and accuracy I would say are on par. Sturdiness of the frame I would say is in favour of the Vasto, sturdiness of the bed in favour of the ProverXL. Price and size is in favour of the ProverXL as well but hardware probably in favour of the Vasto because the ballscrews so it's a real trade off depending on what's important to you
@@JamesDeanDesigns many thanks!
Great review! Is it possible to make objects designed with Fusion 360?
It certainly is. I dont know how to use Fusion well enough to do it but I know lots of people do, especially as Fusion is free for personal use
James, If you were looking for a good Quality CNC, Would you buy This one?, Or the Fox alien vasto ?. I know they have differences. Would you Sacrifice size for the ball screws.? . I know this is a difficult Question to answer. But you have used both Machines and have far more experience than me.
ProverXL 6050 has size, stronger bed and stronger motors but the Vasto has ball screws and is $200 more so it really is difficult. Unless you do plan to machine metal regularly, I would probably go with the ProverXL 6050... I think but not 100% sure 😆
Well now, this could be interesting ;-)
Indeed! :)
Looks nice but LONGMILL, made in CANADA, has a CNC that is 48x30 inch for the same price but without the router. They also have a 30x30 for $1349. Like your review though. I have the Genmitsu PROVerXL 4030 and extended it to the 6060. I like it but if I knew about the LONGMILL b4 I might have gotten it seeing it had a bigger work area.
Thanks. If size is what your after then yes, but the Longmill machines are weaker overall. They use smaller stepper motors than the ProverXL you ready have, the frame and build is also weaker so whilst size may be bigger, the performance of the machine will be less and not really an upgrade in my opinion from what you already have
I just looked at the Longmill after seeing your comment. They really don't look comparable. The structure looks much less substantial, there is no work surface, and the NEMA motors (which aren't even identified, which I find odd and a little worrisome that might source the cheapest parts at the time) are much smaller. Presumably the controller and drivers are only sized for that weaker setup, also. I'd warn people off making a direct comparison between these two unless they were educated enough to understand the negative trade-offs.
I have no affiliation or interest in either brand; I'm just a CNC video junky.
Greetings James , what type of controller they use for this machine and is it commercially available? Thanks
It's a custom built controller. I didnt have the details somewhere but can't seem to find them. No, it's not commercially available, only through Sainsmart
Hello James. Will this fit on my 4' x 2' table? Also what water cooled spindle would you recommend?
The width is fine but the depth is a bit short. Think you ideally need 2.5' to 3' ideally
Hi James, Any update on your 6050 Plus. Has it become your daily driver or did you settle on an alternative?
It's a great machine but I did a follow up video comparing this and the original ProverXL 6060. Whilst this is more powerful machine, I need to do a few jobs a year that are larger than the work area of the 6050 so ultimately I have kept the original machine but that was only because of that one specific reason. On nearly every other element the 6050 is better
@@JamesDeanDesigns Thanks for the update. I currently have a 4040-Pro and loving it, but I do think I jumped in a bit quick and should have gone for the 6050sPlus. When I have had some use out of the 4040-Pro I'm going to make the move. Thanks for your efforts on your channel. Always interesting and informative.
I'm stuck between buying this and a 4030 v2, my main aim is for making detailed 3d calligraphy and art but I don't know how much of a difference in overall cutting quality there will be between the two to justify the cost
I was really impressed with the V2 to be honest and if you don't need the extra work area size then I would go for that. And if you decide later you do need the bigger work area, there will be am extension kit coming out for it
@@JamesDeanDesigns Thanks, for being new at CNC I don't yet feel the need for the larger work area and because there are so few demonstrations of detailed work besides some of yours I do feel I'm going to get the 4030. Really appreciate the feedback.
@@thesoundsofnature8212 no problem, hope you enjoy and don't forget to use my links 😊
Nice video! How heavy is that whole machine?
I think I mention it in the video but I believe it's about 55kg, so quite heavy
I probably overheard it then, sorry. Thank you for that quick answer! I enjoyed that video. Full view and like. Greetings from Austria :)
@@woodworkingandi it's ok, that wasn't a dig , I just genuinely couldn't remember but know I mentioned it somewhere in the video (I think 😆)
Hi James, can you or anyone else answer me on this question please? I am buying my first cnc router and thinking of buying the PROVerXL 4030 with 6060 extension kit & hybrid table. Would it be better for me to spend more and buy the Genmitsu PROVerXL 6050 Plus then buying the 4030 with upgrade? Is the money difference, build quality and features worth it to spend more, which is $ 2,547.32 Canadian for the 6050 Plus, and $2,205.00 for the 4030 with 6060 upgrade and upgrade aluminum & MDF Hybrid Spoilboard Table . Thank you.
the 6050 plus will provide more rigidity for more demanding projects. The 4030 upgraded to a 6060 will give you a little more working area with lower performance. If you need the extra size go with the 6060, if you don't need the extra size get the 6050.
@@chrisl7949 Thank you for the info. much appreciated.
It's a shame they didn't use linear rails rather than tubes on the 4040pro.
I "broke" mine! My router kept "slamming" the upper limit switch into the metal tab and it kept getting bent. I "kept" bending it back into position. Then, you guessed it, the tab broke off completely. So I did the only thing I could think of, I used JB WELD to hold the broken tab in place. I don't see Genmitsu providing that individual plate as a part for purchase. Any other ideas...anybody....anybody?
that a great machine
how can I get the same machine am in dubai
Not sure to be honest. I would suggest reaching out to Sainsmart directly and seeing if they ship to you
The Makita was essential for this level of performance. The 300 watt router could not do that kind of cutting.
and yet it did.
@@richstrapple All the cutting was done with the Makita. Check out 13:01 when it starts.
Can I speak with you regarding buying one of these machines please?
Sure. You can either reach out to me on Facebook or there is a contact form on my website www.jamesdeandesigns.com
@@JamesDeanDesigns I sent you a message on website but I'm not sure if you got it?
@@JamesDeanDesigns PS are you based in the UK?
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Be a Devil, put a VFD spindle on it and it will be FABULOUS!!
Seems rather expensive compared to a oozenest for example
It can seem like that and totally get where you're coming from, but essentially different styles of machine, different hardware. For example with wheels vs linear rails, linear rails are usually going to ways win, however they do cost more. The other thing is part of the cost with machines like this, is you're paying for the ease of it being partially prebuilt where as most Workbee style machines are full DIY kits, you can spend hours, sometimes days building them. To a beginner an Ooznest can be quite overwhelming although they are great machines
most powerful but just not rigid enough for aluminum, light cuts in aluminum cut dull end mills
I can assure you it is ridged enough for aluminium. I've machined aluminium on less sturdy machines that this.
@@JamesDeanDesigns I was talking about a $500 router
Nice machine, but to expensive 😢
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I owned a 6060 before, only remember I can carry the machine around just by myself, lightest CNC router ever owned, ends up selling after 1 months. Do your homework before buying.
If you can carry this one around on your own, you're a stronger man than most
Why no sound? Can be show problem. With sound you can hear more about the Maschine. Next time please mit sound.
People often switch off from the video as a result of the machine sounds so I rarely include them or significantly mute it down
Still think u need send it to me you have enough 🤣
Here’s the only problem I see. Once you get into this price range you’re competing with machines like the Onefinity at $2500… And to be quite honest, this machine is nice but doesn’t come close to the rigidity of those machines.
*me watching this after buying the 4030* ahhh, so I just had to wait a bunch of time until they changed the faults of the 4030, into features on the 6050. And, I just get fucked as the middle man 🤷🏼♂️😂
I've offered several times to review their products and ........... nope.
Truthfully - You've spent a lot of time on the Sainsmart group (and others) complaining about their products so why would you expect them to send you anything if you're already angry with them. I know you want to push your channel as well, you even asked for help and advice from people, including me regarding your videos and what could be improved. I spent nearly an hour watching your videos, making notes and feeding back on things you could possibly improve. There was no benefit to me for doing this, completely selfless but you didn't say thank you, you didn't even acknowledge my message although you read it 🤷♂️
@@JamesDeanDesigns I should probably go look for that ?post?message?
@@JamesDeanDesigns and Hongs been awesome. Have a video in my head showing how hes helped me. Just have not filmed it yet life gets in the way sometimes
I've just searched for your UA-cam channel and all I came across was satanism and references to the devil/lucifer. Whilst I appreciate your spin on 'what the devil?'. Sainsmart and other prospective suppliers/subscribers might not.
If help from extremely talented 'tubers' like James Dean Designs can't help, then perhaps it's back to the drawing board (CAD, CAM etc etc)? Do, Review, Learn and Apply; when time permits 🙃
@@iainrutherford184 It's an expression.... And I am The Devil. ua-cam.com/video/qos5BdqofW0/v-deo.html
300 watt spindle is nothing but a joke Period, suitable for childrens toys
I started with a 60w on a 3018, as did a lot of my followers so a 300w is a big step up
Linear rails are supposed to be 90 degrees/side riding, not on top!
I understand the logic but you may want to tell every other manufacturer then because I have at least 5 machines from 3 different manufacturers all doing them this way 😕