Today we talk about the disappointment that is Woman’s World By Katy Perry and how it can have a lasting impact on her future. #katyperry #popmusic #womansworld
I mean that’s definitely part of it, but I wouldn’t say it’s “just” that. People are genuinely upset about her working with Luke. I’d be willing to bet had the song NOT been produced by Luke, it would be doing better. Her association with him is single-handedly poisoning her career, but she doesn’t seem to care.
In the words of Nicki Minaj: Get it together, Katy! I really don’t even know if this era can be saved at this point, we’ll just have to see how it pans out.
She seems to have an identity crisis since Witness. During Witness, she marketed the album as purposeful pop and a woke album, but the content was more of a personal album rather than purposeful. Smile she wanted to just drop music for fun. We all thought this would be the norm because she wasn’t doing numbers anymore. But then 143 era already shows her being desperate for a hit again with her collabing with Dr. Luke and dropping different versions of Woman’s World. I honestly don’t know what happened to Katy after Prism. She lost a lot of the zest that made Teenage Dream and Prism so great.
I dare say after Roar and Prism was released it cooled off for her Dark Horse was only huge in certain territories but like it fell off quick successful tour and aesthetics....but Prism fell off and she didn't get back on
Not a fan of Katy, but grew up with some of her earlier work (I adore Prism) and I was so disappointed to see her working with Dr. Luke again Like, I was so ready to stan her new era... I loved the concept of 143, but her association with Dr. Luke made me so sad and it ended my hype with her new era I'm not even talking about WW as a song, it's really bad... It's not a bop 😭
Ruining the legacy is hard because people’s memories of fun times with her hits playing are independent of her and her image. Give a gift like that to people and you can survive off their good graces for life. She’s not going to starve. Her ego might. I tried listening to some of the new artists people are optimistic about. It was nothing special. It just didn’t suck as much as most pop does lately. Not even lately anymore. It’s the normal thing to suck now.
The reason why her "purposeful pop" doesn't do well is because it feels artificial and manufactured. The fact that men wrote this garbage and directed it is just proof that she isn't trying to uplift women, only herself. I hope she has future success. She's a talented vocalist.
Fr, even shit like higurashi was directed by a woman, why couldn't this be? No excuses Miss Perry😂 (Although given higurashi's theming and subject matter it being directed by a woman who directed shoujo/josei aka made for girls/young women material that handles dark and mature subject matter was actually an educated decision so maybe that was a poor comparison).
Imo most pop is like this especially kpop but people have huge blinders and nostalgia glasses on to hide how manufactured and artificial the whole pop music industry is and has always been. It is slightly getting better with tiktok giving genuine artists hits but also there's a lot of industry plants getting hits too unfortunately
My favorite Katy’s songs are: Harley in Hawaii walking on air 365 Hot n cold bon appétit But this new song idk !this show me that she still lives in 2016🤷🏽♀️
Boo, Billboard didn't change ANY rules in terms of Katy Perry. She had five number one hits off of her Teenage Dream album. She then had another number one hit off her Teenage Dream: The Complete Confection reissue that was released two years later and included three new songs (along with some remixes). Billboard had a rule long before Katy that charting singles added to a "reissue" or "enhanced version" of an existing album would not count towards the original album's achievements. That only makes sense.
She's been struggling since witness and to colab with Dr. Luke post #MeToo...... that's career (redacted). Especially on a quote on quote feminist Anthem. However, she could do a proper comeback and remain a main stay. And you're right. She should have done a sound change for an era. And woman's world is the worst lead single. Oh well, fire the management team otherwise shes gonna disappear from the charts, and that's sad.
It's interesting to see the "defense" of the music video, but I think it was pretty clear that the first "Rosie the Riveter" part of the video was meant to be satirical. Everyone expected the "reset" when she got smashed by the rock, but it wasn't much of a reset at all. It was confusing and chaotic (not in a good way) and still maintained a heavy dose of the male gaze. Which means that the supposed satire at the beginning completely fails. The video was an embarrassing mess.
Katy aperrys legacy is one album thiugh like Come on Over by Shania Twain ?! Like yes Prism and one of the boys were held by its lead singles .... But goodness me Teenage Dream was a fluke ....shes an artist defined by whats going on in radio and whats hot ... Its overrated at the time in 2010 was mixed to negative reviews designed for radio play you know?! Its very much 2010 compared to her peers she didnt keep up ....Swift, Gaga anc Rihanna are a presence in the industry in three different ways ....katy perry just isnt
u do realize teenage dream and teenage dream the complete collection are two different things and she DID NOT beat micheal jackson cause if it was valid then any artist could keep releasing deluxe editions of albums with the same songs + 3 new ones to get more number ones from one era
Teenage dream was so good back then. But the instrument aged like milk today. The lyrics still hit tho, but the instrument is so outdated and thats just 10 yeard
Eh perception. The 80s sound dated to most by today’s standards but many would say it doesn’t, so yeah. It’s all perception. Honestly the entire Teenage Dream album itself is somehow less dated sounding than Woman’s World to me.
I’d argue compared to a lot of what was released back then.. it’s pretty timeless. Teenage Dream is definitely an album that will be passed down for generations
It’s actually great! And the "controversy” is so totally overblown, the video is lit and the song is exactly the Katy Perry we have been waiting for! This era will be iconic in hindsight, Dr Luke aside!
@onyx081 stans can be some of the most delulu people on earth. Doja Cat literally bullied one of her fans and said she hates them all but still has people supporting her. Nicki is literally married and related to rapists. Still has the biggest and most vicious fanbase. It's wild
All I can do is point and laugh. You don’t have to support Dr Luke, but you’re wasting your hot breath with these takes. So wrong and so loud. This album is for those who are actually fans of Katy Perry. We don’t gaf about Kesha or “how big” this era “could’ve” been, KatyCats like Katy Perry, and if you don’t, move on.
@@purplesky99876.. something happening or being popular “a decade ago” doesn’t change its validity.. Madonna is on a sold out tour and she’s been here for 40 years lol. Time has no bearing on something like this lol. She had fans then, she has fans now, Katycats. Just because you’re only finding out 10+ years after her debut and her apparent lack of relevance doesn’t mean it’s not a thing lol. So many people in these comments talking about things being “dated” or “old” and they mean 10 years lol. 10 years ago is NOT that long ago.. lol.
i do think she just lost her charm and her music doesn't hit like 10 years ago. her music back then was fresh and fun.
I mean that’s definitely part of it, but I wouldn’t say it’s “just” that. People are genuinely upset about her working with Luke. I’d be willing to bet had the song NOT been produced by Luke, it would be doing better. Her association with him is single-handedly poisoning her career, but she doesn’t seem to care.
@@MBG.426 same goes for every Artist who are working with luke
In the words of Nicki Minaj: Get it together, Katy!
I really don’t even know if this era can be saved at this point, we’ll just have to see how it pans out.
She seems to have an identity crisis since Witness.
During Witness, she marketed the album as purposeful pop and a woke album, but the content was more of a personal album rather than purposeful.
Smile she wanted to just drop music for fun. We all thought this would be the norm because she wasn’t doing numbers anymore.
But then 143 era already shows her being desperate for a hit again with her collabing with Dr. Luke and dropping different versions of Woman’s World.
I honestly don’t know what happened to Katy after Prism. She lost a lot of the zest that made Teenage Dream and Prism so great.
I dare say after Roar and Prism was released it cooled off for her Dark Horse was only huge in certain territories but like it fell off quick successful tour and aesthetics....but Prism fell off and she didn't get back on
Or maybe you have no idea what you're talking about and need some hobbies
@@TFitz1 are you Katy? Lol
@@Jaheartsjonas No I'm TFitz1. Hi.
Not a fan of Katy, but grew up with some of her earlier work (I adore Prism) and I was so disappointed to see her working with Dr. Luke again
Like, I was so ready to stan her new era... I loved the concept of 143, but her association with Dr. Luke made me so sad and it ended my hype with her new era
I'm not even talking about WW as a song, it's really bad... It's not a bop 😭
Todd in the Shadows : Katty couldnt work with Dr. Luke. It would be insane.
Katty 2 years later : Im working with Dr. Luke
Ruining the legacy is hard because people’s memories of fun times with her hits playing are independent of her and her image. Give a gift like that to people and you can survive off their good graces for life. She’s not going to starve. Her ego might. I tried listening to some of the new artists people are optimistic about. It was nothing special. It just didn’t suck as much as most pop does lately. Not even lately anymore. It’s the normal thing to suck now.
I worked in a hauntedass hotel at the time, and i remember blasting Teenage Dream while doing housekeeping to distract from the ghosts.
The reason why her "purposeful pop" doesn't do well is because it feels artificial and manufactured. The fact that men wrote this garbage and directed it is just proof that she isn't trying to uplift women, only herself. I hope she has future success. She's a talented vocalist.
Fr, even shit like higurashi was directed by a woman, why couldn't this be?
No excuses Miss Perry😂
(Although given higurashi's theming and subject matter it being directed by a woman who directed shoujo/josei aka made for girls/young women material that handles dark and mature subject matter was actually an educated decision so maybe that was a poor comparison).
Imo most pop is like this especially kpop but people have huge blinders and nostalgia glasses on to hide how manufactured and artificial the whole pop music industry is and has always been. It is slightly getting better with tiktok giving genuine artists hits but also there's a lot of industry plants getting hits too unfortunately
My favorite Katy’s songs are:
Harley in Hawaii
walking on air
365
Hot n cold
bon appétit
But this new song idk !this show me that she still lives in 2016🤷🏽♀️
Don't forget The One That Got Away and Unconditionally
Well her music was never really that careful about that kinda stuff to begin with. And people were saying it back then too.
Sigh she just needs to choose a better single 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙃🙃🙃
Boo, Billboard didn't change ANY rules in terms of Katy Perry. She had five number one hits off of her Teenage Dream album. She then had another number one hit off her Teenage Dream: The Complete Confection reissue that was released two years later and included three new songs (along with some remixes). Billboard had a rule long before Katy that charting singles added to a "reissue" or "enhanced version" of an existing album would not count towards the original album's achievements. That only makes sense.
I don’t want to be preached to by a rich pop star. That’s some of it.
She's been struggling since witness and to colab with Dr. Luke post #MeToo...... that's career (redacted). Especially on a quote on quote feminist Anthem.
However, she could do a proper comeback and remain a main stay. And you're right. She should have done a sound change for an era. And woman's world is the worst lead single. Oh well, fire the management team otherwise shes gonna disappear from the charts, and that's sad.
she was SO great like 10y ago, maybe with new priorities in her life, music is not as good as before idk 😩
The thing is when she tried she can do great things. You can tell she isn't trying.
It's interesting to see the "defense" of the music video, but I think it was pretty clear that the first "Rosie the Riveter" part of the video was meant to be satirical. Everyone expected the "reset" when she got smashed by the rock, but it wasn't much of a reset at all. It was confusing and chaotic (not in a good way) and still maintained a heavy dose of the male gaze. Which means that the supposed satire at the beginning completely fails. The video was an embarrassing mess.
Katy aperrys legacy is one album thiugh like Come on Over by Shania Twain ?! Like yes Prism and one of the boys were held by its lead singles .... But goodness me Teenage Dream was a fluke ....shes an artist defined by whats going on in radio and whats hot ... Its overrated at the time in 2010 was mixed to negative reviews designed for radio play you know?! Its very much 2010 compared to her peers she didnt keep up ....Swift, Gaga anc Rihanna are a presence in the industry in three different ways ....katy perry just isnt
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There's a not single hit, but not for Katy 🤭
It's a bop but very dated but it's waaayyy better than what Taylor swift is releasing since 2021
u do realize teenage dream and teenage dream the complete collection are two different things and she DID NOT beat micheal jackson cause if it was valid then any artist could keep releasing deluxe editions of albums with the same songs + 3 new ones to get more number ones from one era
Teenage dream was so good back then. But the instrument aged like milk today. The lyrics still hit tho, but the instrument is so outdated and thats just 10 yeard
Eh perception.
The 80s sound dated to most by today’s standards but many would say it doesn’t, so yeah. It’s all perception. Honestly the entire Teenage Dream album itself is somehow less dated sounding than Woman’s World to me.
I’d argue compared to a lot of what was released back then.. it’s pretty timeless. Teenage Dream is definitely an album that will be passed down for generations
In 2010 look at the critics reviews! Back then it was critiqued for selling out fully to radio pop not anything else and yeah ....
@@JoshPinder92
Ur obsession with trying to downplay her success is crazy. Get a grip.
@@mas4583 look at critics tho
I think some of us have risen up and we no longer accept what’s within this video. 😅
It’s actually great!
And the "controversy” is so totally overblown, the video is lit and the song is exactly the Katy Perry we have been waiting for!
This era will be iconic in hindsight, Dr Luke aside!
It's crazy how you're able to so easily ignore how she's working with a known rapist
@onyx081 stans can be some of the most delulu people on earth. Doja Cat literally bullied one of her fans and said she hates them all but still has people supporting her. Nicki is literally married and related to rapists. Still has the biggest and most vicious fanbase. It's wild
All I can do is point and laugh. You don’t have to support Dr Luke, but you’re wasting your hot breath with these takes. So wrong and so loud. This album is for those who are actually fans of Katy Perry. We don’t gaf about Kesha or “how big” this era “could’ve” been, KatyCats like Katy Perry, and if you don’t, move on.
Huffing that copium I see.
@@NIHIL_EGO You know all about me💋
@@_lev111 Yeah I think it's pretty easy to read you.
@@NIHIL_EGO If you’re gonna be a fan, you gotta type coherent sentences babe. Nice try.
@@_lev111 >"If you're gonna be a fan"
Always on that copium.
Katycats? She has a fandom?
You really underestimate how iconic the Katy Perry brand and image has been for years lmao
@@inkiadk yeah a decade ago
@@purplesky99876.. something happening or being popular “a decade ago” doesn’t change its validity.. Madonna is on a sold out tour and she’s been here for 40 years lol. Time has no bearing on something like this lol. She had fans then, she has fans now, Katycats.
Just because you’re only finding out 10+ years after her debut and her apparent lack of relevance doesn’t mean it’s not a thing lol.
So many people in these comments talking about things being “dated” or “old” and they mean 10 years lol. 10 years ago is NOT that long ago.. lol.
@@MBG.426 going this hard for someone who is working with a known rapist is crazy but okay
I just think that world is depressed and lacks taste because woman’s world is a fun catchy song that doesn’t deserve all the hate and backlash fr
It’s not that bad as others make it out to be.
No. 😊 society has matured. We expect more now. You’re still stuck in the 2010’s admiring filfth.
@@ovtheabyss84THIS.
@@ovtheabyss84recession pop music is back tho
Katy Perry's comeback is iconic ❤ Best song of the year!
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