The Royal Flush 1778 "So what you gonna try next, cheese?" - every UA-cam movie blog trying to figure out how to get clicks after everyone gets fed up of hearing about Predator.
Grand Admiral Thrawn is the name of the blue Imperial General that you were thinking of. Arguably the most interesting character in the Star Wars canon.
The difference is you guys praise Predator from the point of view of filmmakers, whereas all these fools jerking it off are purely 'sci-fi' geeky fans. I had gone a few years having not watched it, (since having been to film school and break out into huge ranges of films from new wave, Italian exploitation and more which, not to sound jerky, has just in general given me a greater appreciation for the craft behind filmmaking) and watching Predator and the way the camera moves through the jungle from character to character, creating suspense is just phenomenal. The writing is so precise and superb. The cast is possibly one of the best ensemble casts of all time. It is pure testosterone fueled, but takes itself seriously enough that you can buy into it without it being cheesy, which very few 80s action films did. I honestly say Predator is the best action film of all time - it just so happens to have an alien in it.
The film represents a whole bunch of elements coming together at the right time and people at the peak of their powers. The direction, dialogue, effects, design, score, locations etc. are all spot on and even Arnold puts in a (relatively) good performance.
Even all the pieces on the Predator's suit (animal skulls etc.) were put there by the costume designers to keep the whole thing from falling apart. I'm sure someone wrote a 20 page essay about every aspect of the suit (a la Darth Vader).
Great video. Completely agree. Except I don't mind people going into mythology in their own time, as long as studios focus on new quality sci-fi flicks. Duncan made a great point about a lack of mid budget movies.
Nice lads. Perhaps this could be the focus for a future episode why some phrases enter the modern lexicon for unknown reasons. "Get to the chopper", "I'll be back", etc.
I've said it before: Predator 2 would be a beloved film if it was about a brutal serial killer instead of an alien. Scrap the dumb subplot with Gary Busey and it would be a gritty cop thriller like Nighthawks and it would be talked about as a classic, instead of a "kind of almost good Predator movie".
I hate the term ‘franchise’ in general. It’s so soulless, and when people say they love franchises it tells me they just love spending money for instant gratification. And then it pisses me off that those same people call themselves consumers! Fuck sake, that’s the term corporate dickheads use to cynically call you. Boils my piss
Simon Harding in the fullness of time perhaps, but we have done them in a previous life and (as you can probably tell) we’re pretty burned out on them for now. Never say never though 👍😉 -D
i was curious so i checked your channel ...great reviews!! :) the selected movies, your editing, the added soundtracks, your comments, top notch! ...subscribed. i grew up with all these classics, i know the making of's, i know the quotes ...so it's kinda refreshing and entertaining to see your perspective as a lady. just a few suggestions for upcoming reviews: -of course Predator (1987) -Mad Max (1979) -Escape from New York (1981) -Robocop (1987) -Die Hard (1988) -Leon the Professional - director's cut (1994) -Seven (1995) greetings from France.
I'm genuinely amazed that in 2019 there are so many Terminator/Predator/Alien vids. I very much like the original films and they are an important part of my growing up years, but why those three get so much focus is weird. I don't know who is clicking on them, I can't imagine The Kids are that into old movies, so who's doing it? Can be only so many 40-something middle managers with dirty secret creature effect fetishes.
David James I think, cynically perhaps, channels like ours use them as gateway drugs for casual viewers to get them engaged. Maybe it’s just that this is the first generation that could collectively self-publish to the world, and thus the current collective expression of nostalgia feels more rampant and fixated on one period. Now that it has been commodified, there is also an incentive to perpetuate this kind of content well beyond what it can sustain. -D
@@ValVerdeBroadcasting I see what you're saying. It is interesting though that it isn't other big hitters of the period, like Back To The Future, Indiana Jones or Ghostbusters. Thing is, like yourself I'm a big Bond fan, and I like Bond only channels, as it tickles my pickle, but even objectively I can't see how that can be sustained for the Alien and Predator films which are creature features, and Terminator, which future speculative fiction aside, is primarily a very effective bogeyman stalking me movie (s). Personally, the best thing for me about UA-cam is watching videos covering films I grew up on and love, and everything else, from the 80's and 90's. I love discovering stuff like Dreamscape or Night Of The Comet or The Gate. It relives the period, and gives me so much more to think about. That's how it should be. I appreciate you don't have that luxury, as a smaller channel. However, I think there is a market for discovering smaller classic films. Good Bad Flicks is one of my favourite channels, and they thrive on unearthing stuff.
Could you talk about LEON. Or Kill Bill. Or Mulholland Drive. Or Withnail & I. Or Earth Girls Are Easy. Anything really that doesn't involve Arnie, zombies or 2000 A.D.
colin the dog from SPACED oh you mean like Men in Black? Or Taxi Driver? Or Forrest Gump? Or Get Shorty? Or Inglorious Basterds? Or Gremlins 2? Or Dirty Dancing? Or Bone Tomahawk? Or Jurassic Park? Or Hot Fuzz? Or Man of Steel? Or A Cat in the Brain? That kinda thing? It’s almost as if you missed the point of this. -D
What that Predator stuff gets you clicks so you're going to talk about all the other people on UA-cam posting vids about Predator just so they get clicks. Yes you've reviewed other films but this was pointless. -D
colin the dog from SPACED the point was to talk about the lack of substance in this obsession people have over fairly hollow minutia, and how putting the cart before the horse in making sequels to Predator has manifested similarly hollow and in-substantive experiences. I thought that came off, but maybe I was wrong. These are just off-the-cuff discussions after all. You suggested that all we talk about are Arnie/zombie/alien films, which I thought was an unfair representation. So there we are. The “-D” is to let you know which of us is commenting, by the way. Not sure why you adopted it as a sign off but...more power to you 🤷♂️ -D
Alas, for me I thought it didn't come off. I'm off now. Found a new channel with even more Pierce Brosnan impersonations and less condescension. Cheerio D, tell Rich that's 1 less sub.
colin the dog from SPACED well maybe don’t come at people with that attitude yourself next time and you’ll find you get a more agreeable response. Farewell. -D
All these franchises are just being done to death and I suspect that the ongoing conversation and fetishisation of them, is at least partly to blame, with producers thinking people like it, let's give them more.
There is a frustration in general with people talking about films on UA-cam that nobody wants to talk about anything made before 1977 or any film thats not in English. I get why, clicks etc. But annoying (nothing personal fellows, Viva Val Verde)
@@ValVerdeBroadcasting Yes, loved the italian stuff with other Duncan, even enjoyed the Dirty Dancing one despite it not being a favourite film of mine. Perhaps a way round is a 'Vs' scenario. You do 'Mad Max Vs The Quiet Earth'. You can compare antipodean takes on the end of civilization, some people will watch because it's Mad Max, then you can turn people on to the much lesser known The Quiet Earth (the Arrow blu ray is really good). 'The Last Battle Vs Wall-E', 'Hidden Fortress Vs Star Wars' (big clicks), 'Pale Rider Vs The Crow', 'Le Samourai Vs The Killer' (alright not so many clicks, for that, but I'd like it.
Doug Wonnacott yeah but there in lies the problem Doug. We have to grow as a channel and while we would love to discuss lesser talked about films that would appeal to you, with the best will in the world: it’s not “The Doug Channel” unfortunately. I say that with no ill-will at all, it’s just a reality that we have to face. If we can grow VVB to a point that allows Rich and I to devote more time to it, then we can create content on more obscure stuff and not worry so much about dem sweet sweet clicks! Thank you for your suggestions and for continuing to watch 👍 -D
Personally I think The Predators handling of Autism is infantile & borderline offensive. The Hollywood approach to it as with stuff like Rain Man is like it's almost a quirky superhero. It's just they can remember shit and devoids any handling of the inability to control emotions, language problems,social anxiety and always highlights what would be considered high functioning sufferers. Lost a lot of respect for Shane black
To a certain extent seemingly endless string of crap sequels to classic 80's action sci-fi (Terminator/Predator/Robocop etc...) has tampered my enjoyment of the originals. When watching The Terminator a part of my brain starts thinking of where the story is going in T3 and beyond :) On some days I find it hard to seperate my crap memories from the good ones.
Walter_the_Wobot yeah I know what you mean. Knowing what happens in the sequels robs it of its optimism somewhat. And now it’s even weirder because most of them supposedly didn’t happen or whatever 🤷♂️ -D
As much as I would love to see a genuenly great Predator sequel tht ticked all the boxes I ultimatly think it will never happen and I think they should should just stop. The ideal sequel, if u were to do it, would be to kick off where u left off, like in Aliens but that ship has long since past.
Are you sure you don't want a prequel where we find out that a human made AI created the Predator race out of some bullshit philosophical romanticising? 😉
The more they try to add to the backstory of these things, the worse they get. Predator is a classic, 2 is a very good sequel (imo) and Predators is actually pretty good too after a recent rewatch (I originally wasn't keen on it). Then came the AvP shit that added in all this nonsense backstory about how the Predators train using Xenos, and the buddy movie crap, then the even worse sequel that showed them as intelligent enough to send a Predator down to cover shit up, but also dumb enough for that Predator to start skinning victims and leaving them for people to find. Then we get Predators, and oh boy, what a clusterfuck. They don't take trophies, they want to merge with us, but there's environmentalists in their culture that think it's wrong to kill us so they send us dumb suits of armour to fight back, they think autism is a super power, there's Super Predators etc. Just all extraneous crap to hang a bad comedy action film off of. Same with Alien, especially when you get to the likes of Prometheus and Covenant which ruin the mystique of the Space Jockey AND the Xenomorph in consecutive films. Hollywood needs to know when to stop. Sometimes one movie is enough.
The ReelDeal Film Reviews because it mentions the kid watching a film multiple times say the film was made in ‘86, then he mentions a brand new film that’s coming out at the cinema & it’s a film that was released 2 years prior. For example the main character & his friends are watching Highlander on VHS which I assume had just come judging by the narration, & at the end of the show, one of his friends has a bootleg copy of Highlander 2, which didn’t come out till 1991!
@@floyd75dylan It is a case of slopping referencing rather than anachronistic writing as the time frame is so similar. Either that or it might be deliberate? An anachronism would be a MacBook appearing in Sense and Sensibility. The best examples of misdating are the cordless phone and the Lichtenstein paintings which appear in The Draughtsman's Contract.
The ReelDeal Film Reviews If it was a man in the 80s reminiscing about the 50s or 60s for example The Wonder Years or Stand by Me, then fair enough, because the internet didn’t exist, & there was only libraries that may have had limited information about that period. As The Goldbergs is about a man in the present day reminiscing about the 80s, he has all that information at his fingertips, so there’s no excuse for misremembering, especially if he’s a hardcore movie nerd which the character is.
The original is brilliant, & I do have a soft spot for 2 & 3, but the fourth one was terrible, that it made AvP look like a decent film, & that was a complete bag of shite. The predator himself is a cool looking alien, but he’s not really terrifying or a threat, as long as you don’t have a lethal weapon you’re safe. So if the predator landed in the UK, he’d have a real boring hunt.
Mr Zeus Would be a bit of a shit hunt, teen with knife vs a predator with high tech weaponry. The dreadlocked alien would most likely get stick from his predator mates 😂
I've always wondered why "Get to the chopper!" became such a quote. Why not "So what are you gonna try next, cheese?", I love that line.
The Royal Flush 1778 "So what you gonna try next, cheese?" - every UA-cam movie blog trying to figure out how to get clicks after everyone gets fed up of hearing about Predator.
Grand Admiral Thrawn is the name of the blue Imperial General that you were thinking of. Arguably the most interesting character in the Star Wars canon.
The difference is you guys praise Predator from the point of view of filmmakers, whereas all these fools jerking it off are purely 'sci-fi' geeky fans. I had gone a few years having not watched it, (since having been to film school and break out into huge ranges of films from new wave, Italian exploitation and more which, not to sound jerky, has just in general given me a greater appreciation for the craft behind filmmaking) and watching Predator and the way the camera moves through the jungle from character to character, creating suspense is just phenomenal. The writing is so precise and superb. The cast is possibly one of the best ensemble casts of all time. It is pure testosterone fueled, but takes itself seriously enough that you can buy into it without it being cheesy, which very few 80s action films did. I honestly say Predator is the best action film of all time - it just so happens to have an alien in it.
Was that dig at 'film analysis' at anyone in particular? lol
The film represents a whole bunch of elements coming together at the right time and people at the peak of their powers. The direction, dialogue, effects, design, score, locations etc. are all spot on and even Arnold puts in a (relatively) good performance.
I think this is about the 4th film, not the original.
Bill Duke and Arnold make a good team...especially in Commando.
3 in the afternoon in the UK. Hitting the sauce and talking movies, you guys are living your best life.
Han Shotfurst it’s not live...but yeah!
Ten things YOU didn't know about 'Predator':
#1 It's my favourite film
#2 to #10 It's my favourite film
Even all the pieces on the Predator's suit (animal skulls etc.) were put there by the costume designers to keep the whole thing from falling apart. I'm sure someone wrote a 20 page essay about every aspect of the suit (a la Darth Vader).
ovisatma yeah Red Letter Media read the whole thing out. I thought it was absolutely hilarious, and exactly what we’re talking about here!
-D
Great video. Completely agree. Except I don't mind people going into mythology in their own time, as long as studios focus on new quality sci-fi flicks. Duncan made a great point about a lack of mid budget movies.
I hadn't thought about the dearth of mid budget films but it is a good point.
Nice lads. Perhaps this could be the focus for a future episode why some phrases enter the modern lexicon for unknown reasons. "Get to the chopper", "I'll be back", etc.
Well what would you rather talk about? Avatar? :p
turtleflipper haha! Maybe.
-D
Predator was the first R rated film I saw in theaters
Luckily, I got to see the 30th anniversary release at my local cinema. I was just a bit too young to see it the first time.
I've said it before: Predator 2 would be a beloved film if it was about a brutal serial killer instead of an alien. Scrap the dumb subplot with Gary Busey and it would be a gritty cop thriller like Nighthawks and it would be talked about as a classic, instead of a "kind of almost good Predator movie".
I hate the term ‘franchise’ in general. It’s so soulless, and when people say they love franchises it tells me they just love spending money for instant gratification.
And then it pisses me off that those same people call themselves consumers! Fuck sake, that’s the term corporate dickheads use to cynically call you.
Boils my piss
Gotta love the honesty
Great review guys. Any chance of you doing any commentaries on the films. Keep up the good work.
Simon Harding in the fullness of time perhaps, but we have done them in a previous life and (as you can probably tell) we’re pretty burned out on them for now. Never say never though 👍😉
-D
'If it bleeds, we can kill it!" I really want to review this, it is a great film. Good work as usual, Boys :)
i was curious so i checked your channel ...great reviews!! :)
the selected movies, your editing, the added soundtracks, your comments, top notch! ...subscribed.
i grew up with all these classics, i know the making of's, i know the quotes ...so it's kinda refreshing and entertaining to see your perspective as a lady.
just a few suggestions for upcoming reviews:
-of course Predator (1987)
-Mad Max (1979)
-Escape from New York (1981)
-Robocop (1987)
-Die Hard (1988)
-Leon the Professional - director's cut (1994)
-Seven (1995)
greetings from France.
Predator: 26 AD. (Fights Jesus).
Predator VS The Thetans, starring Tom Cruise.
How Predator got his groove back.
Pitch over.
Sexual Tyrannosaurus is where it was at.
Admiral Thrawn= Blue alien guy :D
No limes?
Have you ever seen the fan film Predator: Dark Age?
Did you listen to a WORD we said?! 😂🤣😂
(Kidding. I’m aware of it. Not particularly fussed to be honest)
-D
It's not good
Sick trainers Richard wish I had a pair ☹️
I'm genuinely amazed that in 2019 there are so many Terminator/Predator/Alien vids. I very much like the original films and they are an important part of my growing up years, but why those three get so much focus is weird. I don't know who is clicking on them, I can't imagine The Kids are that into old movies, so who's doing it? Can be only so many 40-something middle managers with dirty secret creature effect fetishes.
David James I think, cynically perhaps, channels like ours use them as gateway drugs for casual viewers to get them engaged. Maybe it’s just that this is the first generation that could collectively self-publish to the world, and thus the current collective expression of nostalgia feels more rampant and fixated on one period. Now that it has been commodified, there is also an incentive to perpetuate this kind of content well beyond what it can sustain.
-D
@@ValVerdeBroadcasting I see what you're saying. It is interesting though that it isn't other big hitters of the period, like Back To The Future, Indiana Jones or Ghostbusters. Thing is, like yourself I'm a big Bond fan, and I like Bond only channels, as it tickles my pickle, but even objectively I can't see how that can be sustained for the Alien and Predator films which are creature features, and Terminator, which future speculative fiction aside, is primarily a very effective bogeyman stalking me movie (s).
Personally, the best thing for me about UA-cam is watching videos covering films I grew up on and love, and everything else, from the 80's and 90's. I love discovering stuff like Dreamscape or Night Of The Comet or The Gate. It relives the period, and gives me so much more to think about. That's how it should be. I appreciate you don't have that luxury, as a smaller channel. However, I think there is a market for discovering smaller classic films. Good Bad Flicks is one of my favourite channels, and they thrive on unearthing stuff.
What shoes are those Richard? I want a pair
Could you talk about LEON. Or Kill Bill. Or Mulholland Drive. Or Withnail & I. Or Earth Girls Are Easy. Anything really that doesn't involve Arnie, zombies or 2000 A.D.
colin the dog from SPACED oh you mean like Men in Black? Or Taxi Driver? Or Forrest Gump? Or Get Shorty? Or Inglorious Basterds? Or Gremlins 2? Or Dirty Dancing? Or Bone Tomahawk? Or Jurassic Park? Or Hot Fuzz? Or Man of Steel? Or A Cat in the Brain? That kinda thing?
It’s almost as if you missed the point of this.
-D
What that Predator stuff gets you clicks so you're going to talk about all the other people on UA-cam posting vids about Predator just so they get clicks. Yes you've reviewed other films but this was pointless. -D
colin the dog from SPACED the point was to talk about the lack of substance in this obsession people have over fairly hollow minutia, and how putting the cart before the horse in making sequels to Predator has manifested similarly hollow and in-substantive experiences. I thought that came off, but maybe I was wrong. These are just off-the-cuff discussions after all.
You suggested that all we talk about are Arnie/zombie/alien films, which I thought was an unfair representation. So there we are.
The “-D” is to let you know which of us is commenting, by the way. Not sure why you adopted it as a sign off but...more power to you 🤷♂️
-D
Alas, for me I thought it didn't come off. I'm off now. Found a new channel with even more Pierce Brosnan impersonations and less condescension. Cheerio D, tell Rich that's 1 less sub.
colin the dog from SPACED well maybe don’t come at people with that attitude yourself next time and you’ll find you get a more agreeable response. Farewell.
-D
All these franchises are just being done to death and I suspect that the ongoing conversation and fetishisation of them, is at least partly to blame, with producers thinking people like it, let's give them more.
Talk about inception next
Colby Covington no I think maybe we should talk about your manners next.
-D
@@ValVerdeBroadcasting I hope didn't offend anybody I was just throwing out some suggestions😟😟😟
There is a frustration in general with people talking about films on UA-cam that nobody wants to talk about anything made before 1977 or any film thats not in English. I get why, clicks etc. But annoying (nothing personal fellows, Viva Val Verde)
Not at all. I think we're largely in agreement, which is why we like to regularly throw in some less talked about films.
@@ValVerdeBroadcasting Yes, loved the italian stuff with other Duncan, even enjoyed the Dirty Dancing one despite it not being a favourite film of mine. Perhaps a way round is a 'Vs' scenario. You do 'Mad Max Vs The Quiet Earth'. You can compare antipodean takes on the end of civilization, some people will watch because it's Mad Max, then you can turn people on to the much lesser known The Quiet Earth (the Arrow blu ray is really good). 'The Last Battle Vs Wall-E', 'Hidden Fortress Vs Star Wars' (big clicks), 'Pale Rider Vs The Crow', 'Le Samourai Vs The Killer' (alright not so many clicks, for that, but I'd like it.
Doug Wonnacott yeah but there in lies the problem Doug. We have to grow as a channel and while we would love to discuss lesser talked about films that would appeal to you, with the best will in the world: it’s not “The Doug Channel” unfortunately. I say that with no ill-will at all, it’s just a reality that we have to face.
If we can grow VVB to a point that allows Rich and I to devote more time to it, then we can create content on more obscure stuff and not worry so much about dem sweet sweet clicks!
Thank you for your suggestions and for continuing to watch 👍
-D
First one is great, sequel was decent it gets to much shit.
it was a
sci fi action horror
Personally I think The Predators handling of Autism is infantile & borderline offensive. The Hollywood approach to it as with stuff like Rain Man is like it's almost a quirky superhero.
It's just they can remember shit and devoids any handling of the inability to control emotions, language problems,social anxiety and always highlights what would be considered high functioning sufferers.
Lost a lot of respect for Shane black
To a certain extent seemingly endless string of crap sequels to classic 80's action sci-fi (Terminator/Predator/Robocop etc...) has tampered my enjoyment of the originals.
When watching The Terminator a part of my brain starts thinking of where the story is going in T3 and beyond :)
On some days I find it hard to seperate my crap memories from the good ones.
I think Walter needs to be sent for reprogramming🤖😢
Walter_the_Wobot yeah I know what you mean. Knowing what happens in the sequels robs it of its optimism somewhat. And now it’s even weirder because most of them supposedly didn’t happen or whatever 🤷♂️
-D
As much as I would love to see a genuenly great Predator sequel tht ticked all the boxes I ultimatly think it will never happen and I think they should should just stop. The ideal sequel, if u were to do it, would be to kick off where u left off, like in Aliens but that ship has long since past.
Are you sure you don't want a prequel where we find out that a human made AI created the Predator race out of some bullshit philosophical romanticising? 😉
Last one was bad turned it into a comedy
I clicked
The more they try to add to the backstory of these things, the worse they get. Predator is a classic, 2 is a very good sequel (imo) and Predators is actually pretty good too after a recent rewatch (I originally wasn't keen on it). Then came the AvP shit that added in all this nonsense backstory about how the Predators train using Xenos, and the buddy movie crap, then the even worse sequel that showed them as intelligent enough to send a Predator down to cover shit up, but also dumb enough for that Predator to start skinning victims and leaving them for people to find.
Then we get Predators, and oh boy, what a clusterfuck. They don't take trophies, they want to merge with us, but there's environmentalists in their culture that think it's wrong to kill us so they send us dumb suits of armour to fight back, they think autism is a super power, there's Super Predators etc. Just all extraneous crap to hang a bad comedy action film off of. Same with Alien, especially when you get to the likes of Prometheus and Covenant which ruin the mystique of the Space Jockey AND the Xenomorph in consecutive films. Hollywood needs to know when to stop. Sometimes one movie is enough.
29:08
Nostalgia in film my now pet hate thanks to Adam Sandler & his buddies.
The anachronistic TV show The Goldbergs is another nostalgia overkill.
How would The Goldbergs be anachronistic, considering that nostalgia appeals to the mass populace?
The ReelDeal Film Reviews because it mentions the kid watching a film multiple times say the film was made in ‘86, then he mentions a brand new film that’s coming out at the cinema & it’s a film that was released 2 years prior.
For example the main character & his friends are watching Highlander on VHS which I assume had just come judging by the narration, & at the end of the show, one of his friends has a bootleg copy of Highlander 2, which didn’t come out till 1991!
@@floyd75dylan It is a case of slopping referencing rather than anachronistic writing as the time frame is so similar. Either that or it might be deliberate? An anachronism would be a MacBook appearing in Sense and Sensibility. The best examples of misdating are the cordless phone and the Lichtenstein paintings which appear in The Draughtsman's Contract.
The ReelDeal Film Reviews
If it was a man in the 80s reminiscing about the 50s or 60s for example The Wonder Years or Stand by Me, then fair enough, because the internet didn’t exist, & there was only libraries that may have had limited information about that period.
As The Goldbergs is about a man in the present day reminiscing about the 80s, he has all that information at his fingertips, so there’s no excuse for misremembering, especially if he’s a hardcore movie nerd which the character is.
The original is brilliant, & I do have a soft spot for 2 & 3, but the fourth one was terrible, that it made AvP look like a decent film, & that was a complete bag of shite.
The predator himself is a cool looking alien, but he’s not really terrifying or a threat, as long as you don’t have a lethal weapon you’re safe.
So if the predator landed in the UK, he’d have a real boring hunt.
Mr Zeus Would be a bit of a shit hunt, teen with knife vs a predator with high tech weaponry. The dreadlocked alien would most likely get stick from his predator mates 😂
Scum 83 I don’t know illegal alien coming in to the country, don’t think The Daily Mail would approve. 😂