The thing about this camera and the other older canons is that they look incredibly natural with magic lantern. Everyone is complaining about how digital and sharp cameras look these days but then you have old cheap and capable cameras like these that have such a natural looking image. And I think its like you say, if you dont push the sensor to do things it cant do then you'll get great results.
Brilliant. Well done. I bought a 32 GB Lexar 2000_300 MB/sec SD for my T5i and WOW!! Thank you so much.. Harvey. Your organized video tutorial is great. Green Green Go. Cheers from Canada.
Finally a video where you can find some good and useful information about the Magic Lantern! Congrats, Dude! Anyway... what's the exactly specs of the SD cards you use with the 700D! Thanks... and keep going with the tutorials of the ML and the 700D, please!
The exact card I use is the SanDisk Extreme Pro 64gb 170mb/s. Has never failed me and helps the camera buffer stay open for longer. I'll be sure to try to continue the content, planning a short film with the camera soon, after that I could always do a breakdown of how to get the most out of it. Glad you enjoyed the video!
@@HarveyBridgewater Enjoyed and subscribed! Some good infos it's hard to find these days in the UA-cam. Maybe a Step by Step video with some first setups for the ML could be a goos idea! Your video brought me exactly what I was looking for. Anyway... how much time of a continuous video you can record with the card you've mentioned?
@@Maxfower you can't do full sensor continous at 14bit on the 700D, no matter the SD Card. But you can do 2.39:1 14bit continous with no buffer. Basically till the card fills up. But if you dont mind 10bit, or 11bit (downsampled to 8-bit) then you can use any aspect ratio and not run into the buffer. Depends wether you want to color grade, or are happy with Canon Colors. It's extremely dependent on your use case. For example my other 700D video (ua-cam.com/video/9WRQBaFieYU/v-deo.html) Was shot in 3:2 aspect radio, so that's the whole sensor read out. No buffer issues there, but its 11bit down to 8bit. I think the footage still looks really good, and the colors are great (+ I didn't need to grade it)
@@HarveyBridgewater My last two questions, I promise! At 1760x720 2.39:1 14bit, or 10bits with any aspect ratio, do you record at 30fps or 24fps? (or just work with 24fps?!) And... at 1760x720 2.39:1 14bit, what the max time of record can fit in the 64gb card! I'll leave alone after that! Thank you so much!
i have my canon 700 d and im thinking to install magic lantern ,, but i have my fear .. because if something happened iwill be fucked .. i waited 5 years to have this money to buy this camera .. so any advice for me ?
If it's that big of a potential risk for you, don't bother! Get the most you can while it's all you've got. I've personally never had any problem with Magic Lantern, my 700D has had it for over a year now, and mines not broken. But it's always a potential risk. Hope that helps!
@@HarveyBridgewater yes thank you , i cant handle even 0,0001 risk xd because if my camera broken i will forget about photography all my life , thank you again
Lens varies! For the sample footage I was using the canon 35mm f/2 IS, for the sit down I was on a Canon 24mm f/1.4L, make sure you use a prime lens if you can't help and afford it. The cameras biggest enemy by far is the ISO performance. Meaning the grain is understandably high. Prime lenses not only are sharper (traditionally) but they let more light on and look more cinematic.
There is always a potential for an older camera to just kick the bucket unfortunately. But as long as you do the install correctly, don't over charge your batteries. You should be all good!
@@HarveyBridgewater :')) what does ' over charge your battery " mean? like i can't work with it in continuous way ? like using and extended battery (grip) ? sorry for bothering u bro
@@raoufchatti it's cool bro. Over charge simply means, having it on charge all the time even when you aren't going to use it. So given the battery is lithium based, it can only charge to 100% a certain amount of times before the capacity drops. The camera will say it has 100% battery, but it will drop very quickly! The harm of your battery dying quickly comes when you are updating Magic Lantern files or mid filming. As the files are mid transfer / mid recording, file corruptions are likely to happen. And in this case it could brick the camera. It's unlikely to, but there is always a chance
@@nopeolous hard to diagnose the issue without knowing exactly what settings you are trying to use. Are you trying 14bit? What aspect ratio are you using? Certain aspect ratios require more resolution and therefore fill up the camera buffer even faster. 2.39:1 at 14bit should be very doable. 16:9 at 14bit wouldn't be. It's all about finding that balance. The rated speed of an SD card is also dependent on the size of the card. There is lots that goes onto it
Well this is an older version of ML so you can actually record at 4.4k for about 50 seconds on the right settings! But technically it's a little over 720p much closer to 1080p, but when upscaled only using Premier Pro the results speak for themselves, it looks great! Much better then without ML
The overclock will help your camera film for longer. This depends on the camera, bit depth and desired resoltuion. Some reloltuions will struggle to record continuously. Some resoltions at certain bit depths will struggle too.
I have firmware 2.9.2 ML changes to 1.1.5? Do I change firmware to lower version? My camera shows me that I need 1.1.5 to install ML. Is it possible to instal ML on my actually firmare version (2.9.2)?
If ML says it needs 1.1.5 I wouldn't risk trying it on a newer firmware, better to be safe and downgrade. You can always upgrade later on if you don't want ML anymore
@@HarveyBridgewater I used a Sandisk 64GB 170mb card and it gave me a recording limit of 4 seconds. Did not install the overclock module because it was not compatible with my camera t3i. Would I have to download a seperate module for my camera ? Also change the card to a 300mb write speed?
@@johnnyvalentineparker if you head onto the Magic Lantern forums you can download the newest custom files from Bilal, called Crop Mood. Which includes the SD card overclock file
I try and shoot within the boundaries of a smaller sensor, fairly old camera. Expose for the highlights if possible. If not possible, get some fill lights into the shadows and do your best. For the camera to do what it can is amazing. You just have to try to play to its strengths.
It's a built in limitation of the hardware. Welcome to low dynamic range. You can compensate by using lights. Cheap cameras don't do well picking up detail at the highs and lows of exposure. Use the lowest contrast settings whilst recording. The other thing is YT is notorious for making compression worse. Trick is to upscale the final video to 4K and then youtube will give it better headroom to transcode.
This time I just scaled with Premier Pro. Created a 4k timeline and did it that way. Proper upscaling software is mad expensive. But Premier does a decent job
Magic Lantern is primarely a video oriented feature. The 700D is already and APS-C camera so the crop is around 1.6x the normal. So with a 50mm you get closer to 80mm. In theory whilst in the video mode, you could set a custom crop resolution and snap a picture using live view, but this takes long and there won't be any gained resolution. If you mean on full frame, can you crop in with magic lantern, the answer is yes, but only in video live view. Hope this helps!
I understand that the 60D, 600D or lower records in less than 21mbps in magic lantern, how is the bitrate data the 700D record in magic lantern? I wondered aside from 4k, is there any advantages/disadvantages when comparing to 5D III in terms of magic lantern? You have a flip screen on 700D, but not sure how the autofocus compares.
Well the autofocus it's a big benefit. Although still very limited. The full frame sensor of the 5D iii still capture more information by default, better low light performance, less noise. Generally a higher quality more cinematic image!
@@HarveyBridgewater can you shoot raw in 1080 (without crop) on 700D with the latest build of Magic Mirror these days? I read forum topics from a few years ago mention it can only do 720p raw only
@@wckoek 1080p RAW isn't really possible. Continuous recording is at a slightly lower res, still more then 1280x720, and it looks pretty clean even with a simple upscale to either 1080p or to 4k. The main difference again is the sensor size, noise ratio, recording resolutions and the camera processor. Being better in the 5D iii
The autofocus, before Magic Lantern is installed, isn't good at all really. In very specific conditions it can work. There is no upgrade with ML, it's still better and more reliable to get good at manual focusing
Good autofocus and Magic lantern aren't commonly associated together, being that all the cameras that magic lantern are allowed to hack are older. Magic Lantern being more of a film makers tool also encourages manual focus. But if you can score a Canon 6D or 7D at a good price, you can enable focus assist tools like peaking to help with focus.
Yes, I go over bit rates withing the video, you've got 14, 12, 10 bit lossless. Then also 14, 12, 11 sample to 8 bit so thats lossy. Lot's of options available! I'd reccomend 14 bit for the best colour range for grading. But 10 should work fine!
hi , I've been activate ROM and restart my camera , all options are correctly installed and working but the RAW video (ua-cam.com/video/1XWUnnaSFxE/v-deo.html) option dose not exist how can i active it ?
Have you activated the modules? This is something I don't think I included properly in my video. On the settings tab there is a modules screen with RAW video marked under there as well as the SD card hack
the internal write speed of the 700d is 41 mb/s, it cant go past that i have a 600d and a 1200d they only write 21 MB/s thaks for the vid and the mod! cant change the bitrate settings on the one im running.
Well, that's a fair enough point if phrased a little harshly. If you struggled then follow a more direct set of instructions. But my video comes from my experience of the software, which meant I personally didn't struggle with the install past a vague set of instructions. Criticism is appreciated, but mind you're phrasing in future.
![Canon EOS 700D (w/ Magic Lantern) - Worth it in 2022? (My Camera Collection #2) [4k]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/9WRQBaFieYU/mqdefault.jpg)
**WHENEVER I SAY BLACK MAGIC, I MEAN MAGIC LANTERN**
I thought I was the only one who mixed the two up 😅😅
@@rmadaconcepts9117 the struggle is real 😂
everyone have a black magic at least in our heads. Great video! Thank you so much for the information!
Haha. Don't worry, everyone has mixed the two ever since mankind came to existence.
I thought that was the case lol.
The thing about this camera and the other older canons is that they look incredibly natural with magic lantern. Everyone is complaining about how digital and sharp cameras look these days but then you have old cheap and capable cameras like these that have such a natural looking image. And I think its like you say, if you dont push the sensor to do things it cant do then you'll get great results.
Brilliant. Well done. I bought a 32 GB Lexar 2000_300 MB/sec SD for my T5i and WOW!! Thank you so much.. Harvey. Your organized video tutorial is great. Green Green Go. Cheers from Canada.
Thanks so much! And much love from England
Thank you harvey.. this is the most detailed explanation video i found on UA-cam .. keep posting 700D mods👍🏼
Love the sample footage. nice tune too!
Finally a video where you can find some good and useful information about the Magic Lantern! Congrats, Dude! Anyway... what's the exactly specs of the SD cards you use with the 700D! Thanks... and keep going with the tutorials of the ML and the 700D, please!
The exact card I use is the SanDisk Extreme Pro 64gb 170mb/s. Has never failed me and helps the camera buffer stay open for longer. I'll be sure to try to continue the content, planning a short film with the camera soon, after that I could always do a breakdown of how to get the most out of it. Glad you enjoyed the video!
@@HarveyBridgewater Enjoyed and subscribed! Some good infos it's hard to find these days in the UA-cam. Maybe a Step by Step video with some first setups for the ML could be a goos idea! Your video brought me exactly what I was looking for. Anyway... how much time of a continuous video you can record with the card you've mentioned?
@@Maxfower you can't do full sensor continous at 14bit on the 700D, no matter the SD Card. But you can do 2.39:1 14bit continous with no buffer. Basically till the card fills up. But if you dont mind 10bit, or 11bit (downsampled to 8-bit) then you can use any aspect ratio and not run into the buffer. Depends wether you want to color grade, or are happy with Canon Colors. It's extremely dependent on your use case. For example my other 700D video (ua-cam.com/video/9WRQBaFieYU/v-deo.html) Was shot in 3:2 aspect radio, so that's the whole sensor read out. No buffer issues there, but its 11bit down to 8bit. I think the footage still looks really good, and the colors are great (+ I didn't need to grade it)
@@HarveyBridgewater I'll watch the video! And thanks again, Dude!
@@HarveyBridgewater My last two questions, I promise! At 1760x720 2.39:1 14bit, or 10bits with any aspect ratio, do you record at 30fps or 24fps? (or just work with 24fps?!) And... at 1760x720 2.39:1 14bit, what the max time of record can fit in the 64gb card! I'll leave alone after that! Thank you so much!
Great video, thanks. Can you turn off the 29 min video recording limit with ML on the 700D?
Thank man, good vidéo.
i have my canon 700 d and im thinking to install magic lantern ,, but i have my fear .. because if something happened iwill be fucked .. i waited 5 years to have this money to buy this camera .. so any advice for me ?
If it's that big of a potential risk for you, don't bother! Get the most you can while it's all you've got. I've personally never had any problem with Magic Lantern, my 700D has had it for over a year now, and mines not broken. But it's always a potential risk. Hope that helps!
@@HarveyBridgewater yes thank you , i cant handle even 0,0001 risk xd because if my camera broken i will forget about photography all my life , thank you again
video was great but i have a question. what lens are you using?
Lens varies! For the sample footage I was using the canon 35mm f/2 IS, for the sit down I was on a Canon 24mm f/1.4L, make sure you use a prime lens if you can't help and afford it. The cameras biggest enemy by far is the ISO performance. Meaning the grain is understandably high. Prime lenses not only are sharper (traditionally) but they let more light on and look more cinematic.
@@HarveyBridgewater thanks for the detailed reply, really appreciate it!
Thanks dude
The recording Continuous ?
I was with these settings.
@@HarveyBridgewater What was your Bit Depth
@DavinciHD_ this was a long time ago, but I would have assumed in these settings, not 4k, I would have been using 14-bit at an aspect ratio of 2.39:1
Great tut 👍
at the long term, does it harm the camera in anyway?
There is always a potential for an older camera to just kick the bucket unfortunately. But as long as you do the install correctly, don't over charge your batteries. You should be all good!
@@HarveyBridgewater :')) what does ' over charge your battery " mean?
like i can't work with it in continuous way ? like using and extended battery (grip) ?
sorry for bothering u bro
@@raoufchatti it's cool bro. Over charge simply means, having it on charge all the time even when you aren't going to use it. So given the battery is lithium based, it can only charge to 100% a certain amount of times before the capacity drops. The camera will say it has 100% battery, but it will drop very quickly!
The harm of your battery dying quickly comes when you are updating Magic Lantern files or mid filming. As the files are mid transfer / mid recording, file corruptions are likely to happen. And in this case it could brick the camera.
It's unlikely to, but there is always a chance
@@HarveyBridgewater i completely get it
Hey man, i dunno why but i can only record 2 or 3 second videos. Can you explain why that happens?
It's probably because of the SD card you are using in combination with settings that are too high. You need to try and find a balance
@@HarveyBridgewater but my SD card speed is higher than 100 m/s like you said
@@nopeolous hard to diagnose the issue without knowing exactly what settings you are trying to use. Are you trying 14bit? What aspect ratio are you using? Certain aspect ratios require more resolution and therefore fill up the camera buffer even faster. 2.39:1 at 14bit should be very doable. 16:9 at 14bit wouldn't be. It's all about finding that balance. The rated speed of an SD card is also dependent on the size of the card. There is lots that goes onto it
@@HarveyBridgewater im using the same setting in the vid. My sd card is 64 gb.
@@nopeolous can't explain it then unfortunately!
Hi Harvey, how do I get rid of those black bars left, right, top and bottom? 1920-1080 full screen HDMI OUT live.
@@Dingeszelf don't use hdmi out, magic lantern doesn't like it
is that thefallbackup?
i am brand new to Canon 700D and wanted to ask how you upscaled it? think you said it was in 720p at 60 fps and then u upscaled it. could u explain
Well this is an older version of ML so you can actually record at 4.4k for about 50 seconds on the right settings!
But technically it's a little over 720p much closer to 1080p, but when upscaled only using Premier Pro the results speak for themselves, it looks great! Much better then without ML
@@HarveyBridgewater another question... on the 700D can u use a external monitor? like mirror the lcd screen while u are video recording?
@@sudorelabs4901 yes :)
Hi, I've installed Magic Lantern without the SD Card Overclock thingy - what is the overclock good for? Greetings Max
The overclock will help your camera film for longer. This depends on the camera, bit depth and desired resoltuion. Some reloltuions will struggle to record continuously. Some resoltions at certain bit depths will struggle too.
which one has the fastest sd card slot? any smooth focus like the 70d or 90d
I have firmware 2.9.2 ML changes to 1.1.5? Do I change firmware to lower version? My camera shows me that I need 1.1.5 to install ML. Is it possible to instal ML on my actually firmare version (2.9.2)?
If ML says it needs 1.1.5 I wouldn't risk trying it on a newer firmware, better to be safe and downgrade. You can always upgrade later on if you don't want ML anymore
Hey Harvey which one of your films did you shoot using the 700D
I haven't gotten round to making one using ML, but I made Retroannulment without ML on the 700D
@@HarveyBridgewater I used a Sandisk 64GB 170mb card and it gave me a recording limit of 4 seconds. Did not install the overclock module because it was not compatible with my camera t3i.
Would I have to download a seperate module for my camera ? Also change the card to a 300mb write speed?
@@johnnyvalentineparker if you head onto the Magic Lantern forums you can download the newest custom files from Bilal, called Crop Mood. Which includes the SD card overclock file
@@HarveyBridgewater thanks. I have a t3i (600D) I thought he only does it for 650/700D
@@johnnyvalentineparker you're correct! I'm afraid I can't help you from here
Do you clean the grain of your footages? When I use the 700D on highly contrasted subjects, the darker parts of the image are always so grainy.
I try and shoot within the boundaries of a smaller sensor, fairly old camera. Expose for the highlights if possible. If not possible, get some fill lights into the shadows and do your best. For the camera to do what it can is amazing. You just have to try to play to its strengths.
It's a built in limitation of the hardware. Welcome to low dynamic range. You can compensate by using lights. Cheap cameras don't do well picking up detail at the highs and lows of exposure. Use the lowest contrast settings whilst recording. The other thing is YT is notorious for making compression worse. Trick is to upscale the final video to 4K and then youtube will give it better headroom to transcode.
did touchscreen focus work in magic lantern mode?
Not something I've personally tried. The auto focus on the 700D isn't fantastic anyways tbh 😂😂
@HarveyBridewater - I haven't seen anyone using an external SSD with the T5i/700D. Is it possible?
In theory yes. You'd need a dummy SD card, and I couldn't even tell you if they're compatible or if the camera would just throw a tantrum 🤣
@@HarveyBridgewater Thanks for responding so quickly! That's funny. I'll see if there is an ML group that might know if it works or not.
How do you upscale your videos?
This time I just scaled with Premier Pro. Created a 4k timeline and did it that way. Proper upscaling software is mad expensive. But Premier does a decent job
With magic lantern can you use a cropped sensor to take pictures ? To have more zoom
Magic Lantern is primarely a video oriented feature. The 700D is already and APS-C camera so the crop is around 1.6x the normal. So with a 50mm you get closer to 80mm. In theory whilst in the video mode, you could set a custom crop resolution and snap a picture using live view, but this takes long and there won't be any gained resolution.
If you mean on full frame, can you crop in with magic lantern, the answer is yes, but only in video live view.
Hope this helps!
@@HarveyBridgewater oh understand, my interest was to crop more then the asp_c format to get more "zoom " for pictures
@@Roby0593 then I would suggest getting a higher crop camera and adapting full frame glass. For example going Micro 4/3 with a camera like the GH4
I understand that the 60D, 600D or lower records in less than 21mbps in magic lantern, how is the bitrate data the 700D record in magic lantern?
I wondered aside from 4k, is there any advantages/disadvantages when comparing to 5D III in terms of magic lantern?
You have a flip screen on 700D, but not sure how the autofocus compares.
Well the autofocus it's a big benefit. Although still very limited. The full frame sensor of the 5D iii still capture more information by default, better low light performance, less noise. Generally a higher quality more cinematic image!
@@HarveyBridgewater can you shoot raw in 1080 (without crop) on 700D with the latest build of Magic Mirror these days?
I read forum topics from a few years ago mention it can only do 720p raw only
@@wckoek 1080p RAW isn't really possible. Continuous recording is at a slightly lower res, still more then 1280x720, and it looks pretty clean even with a simple upscale to either 1080p or to 4k. The main difference again is the sensor size, noise ratio, recording resolutions and the camera processor. Being better in the 5D iii
@@HarveyBridgewater yeah, I think 1080 is the minimum these days and RAW is the reason we go magic mirror.
Thanks, I'll fork out for the 5D instead.
Amazing! Does autofocus when recording video work well with ML?
The autofocus, before Magic Lantern is installed, isn't good at all really. In very specific conditions it can work. There is no upgrade with ML, it's still better and more reliable to get good at manual focusing
Could u recommend any older camera with decent quality and AF that support ML ??
I want to try that raw video feature
Good autofocus and Magic lantern aren't commonly associated together, being that all the cameras that magic lantern are allowed to hack are older. Magic Lantern being more of a film makers tool also encourages manual focus. But if you can score a Canon 6D or 7D at a good price, you can enable focus assist tools like peaking to help with focus.
can you do 10 bit instead of 14?
Yes, I go over bit rates withing the video, you've got 14, 12, 10 bit lossless. Then also 14, 12, 11 sample to 8 bit so thats lossy. Lot's of options available! I'd reccomend 14 bit for the best colour range for grading. But 10 should work fine!
@@HarveyBridgewater Thanks for all this information dude!!! how long can you record in 10bit 16:9? 1080p 23.974 fps
what about 1300D🙃🙃
Nothing 'official' but perhaps if you do some digging there is a custom build for the camera
@@HarveyBridgewater please can we talk through email.I want to know more about that
My business email is harveybridgewater@stairwellproductions.co.uk
hi , I've been activate ROM and restart my camera , all options are correctly installed and working but the RAW video (ua-cam.com/video/1XWUnnaSFxE/v-deo.html) option dose not exist how can i active it ?
Have you activated the modules? This is something I don't think I included properly in my video. On the settings tab there is a modules screen with RAW video marked under there as well as the SD card hack
the internal write speed of the 700d is 41 mb/s, it cant go past that i have a 600d and a 1200d they only write 21 MB/s thaks for the vid and the mod! cant change the bitrate settings on the one im running.
With the SD card hack you can get faster speeds, in internal buffer will struggle but in theory you can do more with it
Don't call it "install guide" when you're showing nothing but talking over a black screen, dude. Either do it properly or just don't do it at all.
Well, that's a fair enough point if phrased a little harshly. If you struggled then follow a more direct set of instructions. But my video comes from my experience of the software, which meant I personally didn't struggle with the install past a vague set of instructions. Criticism is appreciated, but mind you're phrasing in future.