Producers feel that they are left in the dark when the song gets popular and the artist/singer starts touring. For example an artist can have 3M followers on Instagram and then their main producer will have 3K on Instagram. Okay I know the general public don't care about who made the music but for us producers and DJS we are the backbone of the music industry. #ratetheproducer
This is a very interesting perspective of why the producers moved to the front. I would also add that this is not only money issue, but also the desire to get the credit as they do most of the hard work, with contrast to a singer who just comes to the recording session and goes back home...
Because some tracks were released in 2017 I actually took a dj course or two to discover what that whole dj thing is about. Technically it is not the hardest job in the world (especially if you do not mind the old folks bragging on about syncing vinyl records that had been dragged through customs all over the world, that were in suitcases professional athletes would never touch if they were flying to the olympics). Knowing how to put a series of tracks on a sound system is NOT something should ever be payed for, the machines do that work, you just have to know where the 1 is, in counting them stuff. But the thing real dj's know, is how to read a crowd, just as Jon said. And the best thing about mixing being a dj AND a producer, is that you can really learn what works, and what does not. For a lot of EDM producers, you kind of should have some feel with how to get people dancing. So a producer of music that is made to make people dance, is greatly helped by the input of someone who actually makes people dance. I do think it is the best to be both at the same time. And when I look at interviews or documentaries of electronic musicians (producers), the ones that are crafting their work really good, are the ones that have the opportunity to really testdrive their music in the real world. My point is, I guess, that the two worlds of the djs and the producers need to work together. If you want to be known as a fantastic dj these days, you can not do that without releasing tracks that just work (and that get the crowds in when you are on the flyer). If you want to be a succesful producer these days, you can not do that without knowing how music works on a night in the club, on the festival or on the radio. And yes. I am still making three minute intros to potentially epic tracks where every minute detail gets introduced and every subtle addition almost brings tears to my own eyes. I love it. But in the real world, if the music should get played online, on the radio, in the club, on a festival.. you need to have the knowledge of the dj to really understand the fact that if nothing interesting is happening in the first 10 seconds, it will be your own party and nobody elses.
When I was coming through a producer was this person who was backstage & pretty much invisible (Trevor Horn is a good example) and concentrated on the producing music to be played on radio and and in clubs or wherever & the DJ was the person who curated a theme in the clubs, bars etc & promoted the music that was coming out, researched there track selection, you was one or the other. If you said to a "DJ/Producer" today I want you play all night for 6 hours+ and start from 90bpm to 128bpm from open to close without playing your own music many would struggle. Now what we have is music with a 2 WK shelve life & DJ's that can only play for 60 minutes and festival like events that have replaced clubs.
Thanks Jon for this Video and your Opinion on such a big and important topic in the Scene. I think we all should take care or be a bit responsible for our consumption of what we listen to and to which act or Performer we go to a festival because of these things you mentioned here in this vlog and otherwise we are supporting the wrong People. At the end these fake People/Swindler being successfull because of us supporting them, us listening to there music, us buying there music and us going on these huge festivals paying way to much money for these fake and staged Person/Artist. So be careful which artist you support and maybe do a bit research before you spread/share the music artist you are supporting/listening to or might like. I am a DJ first of all and make music since 2013 but i am still in progress and try to improve as a music producer every day. In the end to compete these Fake People we should not complain or be jealous. We should try our best every day and go out there connect with people and work really hard. At the end you will succeed.
i am djing with rekordbox and just got ableton and made a couple songs, is the scene saturated with djs to the point you need a song to blow up to get in there. i have a couple thousand dnb songs to dj now . i have found producing just as fun and is more satisfying making your own songs but djing is more easy and fun, need to learn ableton a lot.
#notificationsquad i am only a producer producing from last 1 or half year. But i don't know how to djing. I just want to make good music and trying my best. You are my inspiration jon.
Hi Jon! Could you maybe discuss your views regarding DJs and preplanning their setup? I understand that for live shows like ultra everything needs to be synchronized (pyro with the music, live performers etc) but is there any harm in planning a set, making mashups beforehand, cue points and so forth and just presenting that on stage?
thanks for the facts bro. We producers are so f*cking tired of being called DJs and from ppl claiming that DJs make music (I have been called a DJ at least 69420 billion times in this month)
Hey Jon , I wanted to ask that if I want to produce music of my own , then is it compulsory to do a DJ course? Because I've heard from different people that DJ is kinda a base to music production. What do you think?
Question so do you ever hook up your Turntables/ Controller to your production equipment or is your DJ equipment in a different corner of the room hooked up to its own powered speakers what about Sampling from records. That’s my dilemma.
Making beats doesn't make you a Producer! They aren't the same thing as the term Producer is often misused. Beat Makers are the same thing as Songwriters and Composers as they get all the same publishing royalties and songwriting credits as Lyricist. They are often credited as Writer, Composer, Instrumentation and Drum Programming in production credits NOT Producer. Record Producers are managment directing roles in the studio that direct and oversee overal production that works directly with the Artist and Engineer. Rodney Jerkins, Bryan-Michael Cox, Pharrell Williams, Dr. Dre, Scott Storch, Timbaland, J.R Rotem, and Tricky Stewart are both Composers and Record Producers wearing two different hats. They are often credited twice in production credits for both roles. Most Hip Hop Producers started out as beat makers before taking over the acting role as a "Producer", hint which is why they are called producers in the first place when they aren't making beats. Producer=Director Songwriter/Composer=Beat Maker
The funny thing is that everyone involved In the music industry is responsible for how it’s turned to shit, we need everyone that knows of fake producers to expose these pieces of shit, but they won’t because in some way they too are benefiting from these connections with losers who self titled themselves as “Producers” or “Dj” no matter what the real masters of both stand out and eventually the fake fade with time.
just play for orgs and teach and stuff. festivals do sound like business, fame sounds like a scam. wedding dj sounds crappy but a mysterious local legend sounds kinda sick
The funny definition to DJ Here IT goes "DJ is a definition of an person who isnt musically skilled, doesnt know how to produce , knows how many ghost producers he has and he plays music with his MP3 player" Probably The Djs from Early 2000's Were probably More skilled than todays producers Djing
I don't know man. The real definition of a Music Producer according to the Recording Academy that administers the Grammy's defines a Producer that supervises and directs the production of a song.
Let me help you and speak for PRODUCERS,when you can sit in the studio and build the drums,PLAY the blanket/Foundation/lay the bass line,play or wright the strings,lead guitar or whatever other instruments that going into the track like a teddy,face,devante,r kelly,pharell,PRINCE,DANIEL CEASER,Daz Dillinger,or the great Stevie wonder,or cj morton then you're a music producer and most prefer to work ALONE meaning they produced arranged and most of the time wrote the song and thats only a few now a dj spin records and make them hot if he is but some djs hire people to do all the music then claims of feels he did it when reality is if you sat him before a judge and he said lets here it then theres a problem lol but whatever makes one feel important
I just say yes yes and don't do it. these people just distract me from working and just because they have a wish it doesn't mean everyone has the same. your the dj it's your job to choose the songs. you could also say you already played the song works in 99%
This was extremely insightful as a generally new producer, (2 years in) I learned a lot from this single video alone; So much appreciated! You definitely present honesty within the industry that often a lot people don't speak of for "greedy" reasons so to speak.
vinnien That is why I question the relevance of this topic. LBL says deadmau5 is a producer and Armin is a DJ. Both can be both, right? Whether someone is an imposter is a whole different subject.
vinnien I'm not saying that there isn't a dominant role for these two. deadmau5 is definitely better in the studio and Armin is better behind the decks. However, the line between DJs and producers is blurred.
Blurred in the sense that most seem to do both these days. In the old days, a DJ played music. And the producer usually didn't write or play music, but supervised the recording sessions and directed the mixing sessions. So, now, you have artists that are composers, musicians, producers, performers and DJs.
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Producers feel that they are left in the dark when the song gets popular and the artist/singer starts touring. For example an artist can have 3M followers on Instagram and then their main producer will have 3K on Instagram. Okay I know the general public don't care about who made the music but for us producers and DJS we are the backbone of the music industry. #ratetheproducer
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This is a very interesting perspective of why the producers moved to the front. I would also add that this is not only money issue, but also the desire to get the credit as they do most of the hard work, with contrast to a singer who just comes to the recording session and goes back home...
Finally I found someone who understands
saaammmee lol haha
Glad I found your channel, you are serious, experienced, knowledgeable and eloquent and I hope I can learn much in the near future!
I'm a producer but I want to DJ for awhile and then switch to a live set like Porter or San Holo have done
A producer makes music themselves.
A dj plays music
A producer can also be a dj (Martin garrix, skrillex)
A dj is well...a dj
Because some tracks were released in 2017 I actually took a dj course or two to discover what that whole dj thing is about. Technically it is not the hardest job in the world (especially if you do not mind the old folks bragging on about syncing vinyl records that had been dragged through customs all over the world, that were in suitcases professional athletes would never touch if they were flying to the olympics). Knowing how to put a series of tracks on a sound system is NOT something should ever be payed for, the machines do that work, you just have to know where the 1 is, in counting them stuff.
But the thing real dj's know, is how to read a crowd, just as Jon said. And the best thing about mixing being a dj AND a producer, is that you can really learn what works, and what does not. For a lot of EDM producers, you kind of should have some feel with how to get people dancing.
So a producer of music that is made to make people dance, is greatly helped by the input of someone who actually makes people dance.
I do think it is the best to be both at the same time. And when I look at interviews or documentaries of electronic musicians (producers), the ones that are crafting their work really good, are the ones that have the opportunity to really testdrive their music in the real world.
My point is, I guess, that the two worlds of the djs and the producers need to work together. If you want to be known as a fantastic dj these days, you can not do that without releasing tracks that just work (and that get the crowds in when you are on the flyer). If you want to be a succesful producer these days, you can not do that without knowing how music works on a night in the club, on the festival or on the radio.
And yes. I am still making three minute intros to potentially epic tracks where every minute detail gets introduced and every subtle addition almost brings tears to my own eyes. I love it. But in the real world, if the music should get played online, on the radio, in the club, on a festival.. you need to have the knowledge of the dj to really understand the fact that if nothing interesting is happening in the first 10 seconds, it will be your own party and nobody elses.
Idk if anyone actually read all of this
Well, i read
The interstellar soundtrack by Hans Zimmer is a masterpiece
Yup! I also love that soundtrack AND movie.
When I was coming through a producer was this person who was backstage & pretty much invisible (Trevor Horn is a good example) and concentrated on the producing music to be played on radio and and in clubs or wherever & the DJ was the person who curated a theme in the clubs, bars etc & promoted the music that was coming out, researched there track selection, you was one or the other. If you said to a "DJ/Producer" today I want you play all night for 6 hours+ and start from 90bpm to 128bpm from open to close without playing your own music many would struggle. Now what we have is music with a 2 WK shelve life & DJ's that can only play for 60 minutes and festival like events that have replaced clubs.
Thanks for the video, very explanatory. May I ask, what producer software would you recommend?
Thanks Jon for this Video and your Opinion on such a big and important topic in the Scene. I think we all should take care or be a bit responsible for our consumption of what we listen to and to which act or Performer we go to a festival because of these things you mentioned here in this vlog and otherwise we are supporting the wrong People.
At the end these fake People/Swindler being successfull because of us supporting them, us listening to there music, us buying there music and us going on these huge festivals paying way to much money for these fake and staged Person/Artist. So be careful which artist you support and maybe do a bit research before you spread/share the music artist you are supporting/listening to or might like. I am a DJ first of all and make music since 2013 but i am still in progress and try to improve as a music producer every day. In the end to compete these Fake People we should not complain or be jealous. We should try our best every day and go out there connect with people and work really hard. At the end you will succeed.
so true :)
Thanks for another upload Jon.. :D
I feel the same as you! Learn to make your own unique songs and if it sounds great well then play it!!
i am djing with rekordbox and just got ableton and made a couple songs, is the scene saturated with djs to the point you need a song to blow up to get in there. i have a couple thousand dnb songs to dj now . i have found producing just as fun and is more satisfying making your own songs but djing is more easy and fun, need to learn ableton a lot.
jon can you share with us that big song you made for this dj as a ghostproducer?
I can't but it was released on a spinnin' sublabel
Yeah DJing is one of the ways us producers play our music out
#notificationsquad i am only a producer producing from last 1 or half year. But i don't know how to djing. I just want to make good music and trying my best. You are my inspiration jon.
thank you. that's the best plan :)
Hi Jon! Could you maybe discuss your views regarding DJs and preplanning their setup? I understand that for live shows like ultra everything needs to be synchronized (pyro with the music, live performers etc) but is there any harm in planning a set, making mashups beforehand, cue points and so forth and just presenting that on stage?
Did this Q ever get answered?
thanks for the facts bro. We producers are so f*cking tired of being called DJs and from ppl claiming that DJs make music (I have been called a DJ at least 69420 billion times in this month)
Love the simplicity in how you explained the different between dj and or. Great Job
Hey Jon , I wanted to ask that if I want to produce music of my own , then is it compulsory to do a DJ course? Because I've heard from different people that DJ is kinda a base to music production.
What do you think?
Could definitely help a bit but not really needed.
The end of the CD, the end of the vinyl
Well said, life is so unfair. It is the same with most industries...the one who actually does the work gets less credit
Question so do you ever hook up your Turntables/ Controller to your production equipment or is your DJ equipment in a different corner of the room hooked up to its own powered speakers what about Sampling from records. That’s my dilemma.
Nice Vlog! You are absolutely right! I started as a DJ and now I am since about 2 years a Producer. But I haven't the possibilities to get promoted.
Btw,whats youre favorite Vst/Synthersizer?
Who gets paid more? A music producer or a Dj? I’ve been trying to look for research about that and no luck to found. Any clue guys?
Making beats doesn't make you a Producer! They aren't the same thing as the term Producer is often misused. Beat Makers are the same thing as Songwriters and Composers as they get all the same publishing royalties and songwriting credits as Lyricist. They are often credited as Writer, Composer, Instrumentation and Drum Programming in production credits NOT Producer. Record Producers are managment directing roles in the studio that direct and oversee overal production that works directly with the Artist and Engineer. Rodney Jerkins, Bryan-Michael Cox, Pharrell Williams, Dr. Dre, Scott Storch, Timbaland, J.R Rotem, and Tricky Stewart are both Composers and Record Producers wearing two different hats. They are often credited twice in production credits for both roles. Most Hip Hop Producers started out as beat makers before taking over the acting role as a "Producer", hint which is why they are called producers in the first place when they aren't making beats.
Producer=Director
Songwriter/Composer=Beat Maker
Good explanation. I send people hear to start them to understand the differences. There should be a part 2, with some more examples.
Totaly agree with you
Thanks man it really helped me
The funny thing is that everyone involved
In the music industry is responsible for how it’s turned to shit, we need everyone that knows of fake producers to expose these pieces of shit, but they won’t because in some way they too are benefiting from these connections with losers who self titled themselves as “Producers” or “Dj” no matter what the real masters of both stand out and eventually the fake fade with time.
just play for orgs and teach and stuff. festivals do sound like business, fame sounds like a scam. wedding dj sounds crappy but a mysterious local legend sounds kinda sick
what did you earn from ghost producing ? per song ?
a lot :)
Jon Sine well what is a lot ? 5000€ ?
Im both dj & producer
Right now its js a hobby 4 me
Who Won That SineUP free Release..??
shit! good your reminding me will announce one tomorrow :)
just like alan walker uses ghost producer- Mood Melodies
The funny definition to DJ
Here IT goes "DJ is a definition of an person who isnt musically skilled, doesnt know how to produce , knows how many ghost producers he has and he plays music with his MP3 player"
Probably The Djs from Early 2000's
Were probably More skilled than todays producers Djing
Not every DJ is like that...
just look at The Chainsmokers... They sing, produce, dj of course, play instruments too.
ohh wow....very tough question
I don't know man. The real definition of a Music Producer according to the Recording Academy that administers the Grammy's defines a Producer that supervises and directs the production of a song.
also jon sine do you have any idea what Dj Khaled does is he a producer
he is a snapchater and celebrity. he also sometimes appears in music videos for no reason
WHATS THIS INTRO MUSIC I NEED IT
9:13 DJ Khaled
hahah yes
definitely agree with you
what about about those people who just make music and no singing
Nice Bruh.
Great talk
Let me help you and speak for PRODUCERS,when you can sit in the studio and build the drums,PLAY the blanket/Foundation/lay the bass line,play or wright the strings,lead guitar or whatever other instruments that going into the track like a teddy,face,devante,r kelly,pharell,PRINCE,DANIEL CEASER,Daz Dillinger,or the great Stevie wonder,or cj morton then you're a music producer and most prefer to work ALONE meaning they produced arranged and most of the time wrote the song and thats only a few now a dj spin records and make them hot if he is but some djs hire people to do all the music then claims of feels he did it when reality is if you sat him before a judge and he said lets here it then theres a problem lol but whatever makes one feel important
what do u do when sb comes up to you and asks you If u could play a specific song?
I‘ve experienced that several times and If I don‘t play it they‘ll get mad but If I play it other people will ask me the same question
I just say yes yes and don't do it. these people just distract me from working and just because they have a wish it doesn't mean everyone has the same. your the dj it's your job to choose the songs.
you could also say you already played the song works in 99%
fantastic 🎤
i am a producer, not a dj but i play guitar in a band
This was extremely insightful as a generally new producer, (2 years in) I learned a lot from this single video alone; So much appreciated! You definitely present honesty within the industry that often a lot people don't speak of for "greedy" reasons so to speak.
So, is deadmau5 a DJ or a producer? Is Armin Van Buuren a producer or a DJ?
vinnien That is why I question the relevance of this topic. LBL says deadmau5 is a producer and Armin is a DJ. Both can be both, right? Whether someone is an imposter is a whole different subject.
vinnien I'm not saying that there isn't a dominant role for these two. deadmau5 is definitely better in the studio and Armin is better behind the decks. However, the line between DJs and producers is blurred.
Blurred in the sense that most seem to do both these days. In the old days, a DJ played music. And the producer usually didn't write or play music, but supervised the recording sessions and directed the mixing sessions. So, now, you have artists that are composers, musicians, producers, performers and DJs.
@@enlightenedsoul8897 That is correct. There are many DJs who are also producers. That was my point.
Producer 🙌🙌
You made songs for marshmello didnt you
hahah no but other ones with masks
Alan.walker or that mickey mouse guy
Mickey mouse guy? Deadmau5? I'm Dead! XDD
@@DanielEstrada-nr1pb haha
1:45 you must have seen diplo live
The Sonar set?
I have a question. Why does everyone use a Macbook Pro Not a Macbook air?
Loco Dice uses Macbook Air.
The 128 you need a powerful machine that doesn’t lag, SSD harddrive, 8-16GB RAM, etc
#1
Djs need to stay in their fucking lane.