MASSIVE CSM DAMAGE! Math teacher explores Vindicator and Dark Pacts

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  • @connorschwehn7390
    @connorschwehn7390 День тому +9

    On this Video I only have audio on my left ear

    • @mojorn8837
      @mojorn8837 День тому

      It’s weirdly split between the 2 guys

    • @warphammer-math
      @warphammer-math  День тому +5

      Yeah, was an experiment. Don’t think we’re are doing that again. Thank you for the feedback.

    • @nickontheinternet
      @nickontheinternet День тому

      good feedback, noted!

  • @robertmcnamara1581
    @robertmcnamara1581 День тому +4

    Comments for the comment gods!! Love this channel keep em coming and keep having as much fun as you guys are love it

  • @wilwatson8212
    @wilwatson8212 День тому +2

    Love the channel, loved the video
    (As a listener with only one headphone your L/R panning killed me!)

    • @warphammer-math
      @warphammer-math  День тому

      I’m sorry. We were trying something out that I thought might be engaging…. But I failed to consider all the different ways that people watch. I don’t think we’re going to do that again.

  • @GreenStuffConsumer
    @GreenStuffConsumer 2 дні тому +12

    4:00 you underestimate my power to roll 1s

  • @viktorvh5511
    @viktorvh5511 2 дні тому +6

    I didnt think mathhammer can be so entertaining, great presentation makes a huge difference!

  • @dankimus
    @dankimus День тому +3

    As a university student who is trying to understand the maths behind the hobby better, this channel has been both enjoyable but extremely insightful to how I enjoy consuming my learning.
    I think this video could be relabeled or at least subtitled a dive into Sustained and Lethal hits as well, since it tackles the fundamental "number sense" around the intuition of the two keywords.
    Hoping to see videos on the factions that I play (Chaos Knights, Chaos Daemons, Tau, Votann), but these are all amazing. Hope to see more videos in general, huge fan here.

    • @warphammer-math
      @warphammer-math  День тому +2

      Thank you so much for your support. I love sharing math stuff with people and 40K is such a rich topic for that. I’ll be incorporating more general math hammer stuff, let me know what topics you’re interested in.

    • @nickontheinternet
      @nickontheinternet День тому +1

      heck yeah dankimus! thanks for sharing :D

    • @dankimus
      @dankimus День тому

      @@warphammer-mathAwesome! Would love to see a video on when it’s best to use the newly nerfed “Armour of Contempt” since we have to choose one unit that’s shooting us.
      I specifically play Votann but I think the maths on any “AoC” type strat would be nice. I still struggle to understand when it’s best to use Void Armour

  • @deathshadow396
    @deathshadow396 День тому +4

    the only Time where a vindicator or any other Strenght 14 weapon will wound on a 4+ it's again Fellhammer siege Host detachement because of the rules

    • @warphammer-math
      @warphammer-math  День тому +1

      Minus 1 to wound?

    • @TheGreatOldOneJay
      @TheGreatOldOneJay День тому +3

      There are a few models out there with T14 or higher:
      Manta T14
      Hierophant T14
      Stompa T14
      Phantom Titan T14
      Reaver Titan T14
      Warbringer Nemesis T14
      Warlord T16
      But in a practical sense, yeah. It’ll never really happen

    • @nickontheinternet
      @nickontheinternet День тому +2

      @@TheGreatOldOneJay Thanks Jay, very kind of you to bring this info to light but in such a nice and reasonable way! you rock dude!!!

  • @henaz77
    @henaz77 2 дні тому +9

    Stompa has T14, would love a video detailing the possible dmg output that a stompa could do, dakka dakka dakka

    • @2ClutchGamers
      @2ClutchGamers День тому

      It's so good with Bigger Shells for Bigger Gitz and Dakka, Dakka, Dakka. Full re-rolls, +1 to wound, +1 dmg. (I think sustained is the obvious choice 99% of the time)

  • @michielkreuse610
    @michielkreuse610 2 дні тому +4

    as an iron warrior I find this very interesting mortal. you will have to come with us and meet our primarch.

  • @googs197
    @googs197 День тому +2

    Love the content but switching to the dark mode infographics is the absolute best! My eyes thank you so hard!

    • @warphammer-math
      @warphammer-math  День тому +2

      It’s my preference too, I’m glad you’re into it.

    • @googs197
      @googs197 День тому +1

      ​@@warphammer-mathAlso as a suggestion for another target. How about a Norn Emissary on its Singular Purpose objective.
      Also also! Lol I would love to see a comparison of the Damage output of a Norn Emissary and a Norn Assimilator again on a singular purpose target.

  • @deathshadow396
    @deathshadow396 2 дні тому +8

    the best firstborn tank

  • @brandonpierce4615
    @brandonpierce4615 День тому +1

    Just had a sus 1 vindicator bounce off mortarion doing 3 damage last night. So sad…

  • @thefinne6737
    @thefinne6737 День тому +1

    More chaos content for the glory of the dark gods

    • @daynoart
      @daynoart 18 годин тому +1

      Agreeeeeed 🔥👌👌

  • @ChildOfTheRavenMoth
    @ChildOfTheRavenMoth День тому +1

    Other cool tagets:
    The non-demon primarchs. Try shooting at Big Gully or Lion "The First//the Lion//Primaris Angelus Mortis" El'Jhonson (can you tell which I like more?)!
    There is a few more cool characters like the Silent King or the C'tan Shards... I know that they are mostly way less tanky than the actual tanks and monsters but trying to figure out scenarios where for example the Lion and his guards could kill Mortarion or how easy it actually is to kill the "Avenging Son" Robot Guilimarsh.
    Or just select a single unit as your baseline, one that is so expendable its part of the lore. Show us how many Gretchen the weapon would kill, explode some Guardsmen... There are many cool scenarios that in addition to math and simulation also have a story element. ^^
    If I could wish for a video it would be a primarch gauntlet. A tournament of 1v1 simulations who wins most among the brothers we have data sheets for. (Maybe trying to off-set their cost differences with a few thematic guards or second in commands).

    • @warphammer-math
      @warphammer-math  День тому

      That…. Is totally something we have discussed. I love the idea of setting up a bracket. Gonna take a little doing though. I really want to make this happen. Fantastic idea!

  • @kylewark8163
    @kylewark8163 2 дні тому +3

    Comments for the comment gods, likes for the like throne!

  • @alexandersackett344
    @alexandersackett344 2 дні тому +5

    17:26 Abbadon has a 6' bubble of reroll hits.

    • @daynoart
      @daynoart 2 дні тому +1

      Ohhhh that would be a nice option - especially because your vindicator has to be within 24” anyway

    • @christophertidwell2422
      @christophertidwell2422 День тому

      Warp smith is much better just give +1 to hit for 2+

    • @Luftwaffle12
      @Luftwaffle12 День тому

      ​@@christophertidwell2422I think he is referring to the part where they wanted to reroll to fish for 5+ lethal/sustains in pactbound

    • @halfLotusMusic
      @halfLotusMusic 13 годин тому

      ​​@@christophertidwell2422 It mathematically is strictly worse because of Crit 5s. Warpsmiths aren't in any GT winning list. Just Abby

  • @Garif07
    @Garif07 День тому +1

    Pitiless Cannonade unfortunately requires the target to be below half strength but the same scenario occurs in pactbound with Abaddon giving you the rerolls. These deathballs are super expensive to run in games but they can be super fun (not for your opponent lol).

  • @Gokerz
    @Gokerz День тому +1

    Love your videos, thanks!
    The enemy I most want you to test against is a 3-unit of Blight Haulers. They are just really hard to kill, and taking out a unit of them in a cost-effective way seems nearly impossible especially once Deathguard buffs and debuffs come in. They seem to be able to take a lot more damage than a cursory look at their profile would imply.

    • @christophertidwell2422
      @christophertidwell2422 День тому

      Obliterators can trade up really well 160 points for two with a wide variety of shots but d3 melta on 3+ to hit with dmg 4 melta 2 is the best for blights then maulerfiends are devastating when they get close with 4 melta shots and then the fists

    • @Gokerz
      @Gokerz День тому

      @@christophertidwell2422 2 Obliterators using the Melta profile only have a 31% chance of killing a Hauler, 21% if they are in range of the -1 to hit aura. That's not really trading up.
      Maulerfiend is better, at 56/36% chance of killing a Hauler, but at 130points that's not exactly trading up either. Between their lethal hits melee and Meltas he probably won't survive the clapback.
      But I'm playing Eldar, so neither of those options is really for me anyway!

    • @warphammer-math
      @warphammer-math  День тому

      Friggin Deathguard! I feel your pain.

  • @kalslengulkdexa8692
    @kalslengulkdexa8692 2 дні тому +1

    a great super tanky target to put down would be a ca-tan shard. it doesn't really matter which one. T 11, 4+ save with a 4+ invuln. half damage. then feel no pain 5+.12 wounds
    I'm pretty sure it is one of if not the most tanky thing in the game

  • @deathshadow396
    @deathshadow396 2 дні тому +5

    T13 is the max not any bane blade nor knight have higher

    • @henaz77
      @henaz77 2 дні тому +2

      laughs in WAAAGGGGHHHHH from atop my T14 stompa

    • @deathshadow396
      @deathshadow396 День тому +1

      ​@@henaz77 of course it could only be an ork thing🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

    • @TheGreatOldOneJay
      @TheGreatOldOneJay День тому

      @@henaz77or my T14 Phantom Titan

  • @dannytran2134
    @dannytran2134 День тому +1

    Perfect. A friend was telling me how he is planning an IW army with vindicators out the wazoo.
    Sharing this with him.
    P.S. did you know it’s based off the Sturmtiger

    • @warphammer-math
      @warphammer-math  День тому +1

      Good luck!

    • @daynoart
      @daynoart 18 годин тому +1

      Oh no sh*t! I didn’t know what a sturmtiger was until I just now googled it (I’m not great at history stuffs) but it TOTALLY looks like the vindicator!

    • @dannytran2134
      @dannytran2134 16 годин тому +1

      @@daynoart yeah I had the same reaction. Btw, it’s a poorhammer meme, someone mentioned that when one of its host declared his hatred of it.

  • @wildanimalvids
    @wildanimalvids День тому +1

    Hay I'm building the admech combat patrol ATM and I've got questions that I think you maybe able to help with namely the two pteraxii squads and which is the better load out 👍 been loving the content btw 😊

  • @owenbojanowski7079
    @owenbojanowski7079 10 годин тому

    Dont forget about Abbadon!!! Reroll all hits aura makes everything extra lethal!!

  • @yvesledauphin1220
    @yvesledauphin1220 2 дні тому

    The repulsor executionner with Anvil siege force not moving is a fire platform I think can take a LOT of things😉😉

  • @nickontheinternet
    @nickontheinternet День тому +1

    comment for the comment god. praise be the almighty algorithm.

  • @terrydavis5924
    @terrydavis5924 17 годин тому

    Great work, there used to be tons of meta discussion like this in older editions but it's seem to have fallen by the wayside!
    I suggest taking a look at ork shooting in general to show how the 5+s aren't as bad as they seem when you have volume of shots to back it up

  • @daskulljuarez6129
    @daskulljuarez6129 2 дні тому +2

    Yes more Warhammer Mathematics yes yes YES!!!

  • @owenbojanowski7079
    @owenbojanowski7079 10 годин тому

    Id love to see one of these videos covering the forgefiend!!

  • @despoticwalnut441
    @despoticwalnut441 День тому

    It's pretty specific, but could you do some crisis suit squads at different ranges in Retaliation Cadre?

  • @pizzaman579
    @pizzaman579 День тому

    Knights get a 5+ invuln against ranged attacks and potentially a 5+ or 6+ feel no pain from detachment, so that's a bit optimistic that it will one shot a castellan.

  • @percymacdonald6657
    @percymacdonald6657 День тому

    When wounding on 4s sus vs lethal likely gives the same expected damage but sus introduces more variance.
    It's essentially do you want one 100% shot or 2 50% shots? With the latter you have a 25% chance of bouncing and a 25% chance of 2 wounds.
    In summary of you need to spike high goto sustained, if you need consistency go lethals when wounding on 4+

    • @warphammer-math
      @warphammer-math  День тому

      I completely agree with your analysis. So something like. If you expect to kill your target… lethals, if you’re hoping to roll hot, sustained. I like it.

  • @NecroGoblin-yl2fx
    @NecroGoblin-yl2fx День тому

    never really wanted a Vindicator as i hated the model.
    BUT then they made the HH Vindicator, and i converted it for my CSM army :D

  • @dudem1310
    @dudem1310 2 дні тому +1

    WOOOOO MATH TIME AT 1 AM LETS GOOO

    • @dudem1310
      @dudem1310 2 дні тому

      Dumb thing to mention and not sure if it is on purpose but the audio channels are not left and right balanced (top fellow right lean, bottom fellow left lean) if this was done on purpose to hear you both when speaking at once makes sense just might be worth a mention.

  • @tonyblairprimeminist
    @tonyblairprimeminist День тому

    I’d love to see how these damage combos stack up against ctan with their half damage, 4 invuln, and 5+ fnp

    • @warphammer-math
      @warphammer-math  День тому +1

      Definitely a highly requested target. I think I don’t have a choice :)

  • @edmundgennings3025
    @edmundgennings3025 День тому

    Also going with a warpsmith seems weird. Adding him boosts costs by 37.5% and only boosts offense by 25% or ~21% if you are pack bound zealots ignoring his unimpressive and short range shooting. Similarly his healing adds some durability but unless pacts or early moderate enemy shooting gives early wounds with several turns to heal, he will have a hard time getting a37.5% boost to durability. Plus he is slowing down a shortish range tank with his 6 inch move.

    • @warphammer-math
      @warphammer-math  День тому

      Totally a sound argument. When you are fishing me makes a bigger difference. Healing can be pretty awesome…. But I agree it doesn’t seem like an auto include. I like having him, or a tech marine, as a model tagging along that doesn’t mind giving up shooting to do actions.

  • @Mamoswindle
    @Mamoswindle День тому

    I can't remember, did somebody mention a warpsmith at some point?

  • @RSBurgener
    @RSBurgener День тому

    In my games, you ain't got time for no Warpsmith! You wanna advance that thing forward before anyone can blow it up. You take Renegade Raiders and get those things in range, then kill them before they can kill you. +1 to hit is nice, but if that guy can't keep up, he is of no use to you. After I read the Horus Heresy story, "Ironfire", this was the only way to play Iron Warriors, as far as I was concerned!
    I always enjoy your videos. 👍💥

    • @warphammer-math
      @warphammer-math  День тому

      Yeah, especially true when you can advance and shoot!

  • @eviltables7235
    @eviltables7235 День тому

    Not sure if it's just me, but the stereo audio balance seems to be a bit off and coming mostly through the left ear? Although it's good quality

  • @owenbojanowski7079
    @owenbojanowski7079 10 годин тому

    Please fix the audio! its skewed to the left

  • @christophertidwell2422
    @christophertidwell2422 День тому

    The only problem is the incredibly short range for the tank

    • @warphammer-math
      @warphammer-math  День тому

      Yeah…. Does a good job of controlling a portion of the board…. But I definitely want to deal with it at range with my bright lances if possible.

  • @levidotson6610
    @levidotson6610 День тому

    Warlord titan has toughness 16 if I remember correctly, but practically nothing has more than 13 toughness, since it’s basically impossible to actually take one in a real game.

    • @warphammer-math
      @warphammer-math  День тому

      I’ve never played a game bigger than 2k points. Would love to play a giant game with so big walkers one day.

  • @Searinex
    @Searinex День тому

    Instead of the bloodthirster can you use the Great Unclean One.

    • @warphammer-math
      @warphammer-math  День тому

      I’m trying to change it up… but I do see him on the table more often.

  • @kylemuhlenkamp8
    @kylemuhlenkamp8 18 годин тому +1

    Comment for the comment God!

  • @aimmoth13
    @aimmoth13 День тому

    Just pop smoke in defense 😅

  • @deach-il4le
    @deach-il4le День тому

    You are going to get a million comments saying this but abandon gives an 6” aura of reroll hits so you can do the zealots helbrute combo with full rerolls to hit!

  • @EmperorCharizar
    @EmperorCharizar День тому

    Would love to see some tau math

    • @warphammer-math
      @warphammer-math  12 годин тому +1

      I’ve got a friend I’m trying to convince to play tau. I’ll see what I can do :)

    • @EmperorCharizar
      @EmperorCharizar 12 годин тому

      @ the facts around tau breacher squads have been interesting for me to try and explore

    • @EmperorCharizar
      @EmperorCharizar 12 годин тому

      @ also, great job on leveling up the presentations each video. They keep getting better and better.

  • @RenderDead
    @RenderDead День тому

    Are you two Twins?!