Also cool to note that Mary was told in the 6th month of the Hebrew Calendar that she was preggo. The 6th month magically falls under the Virgo\Virgin Zodiac sign. John the Baptist was listed as 6 months older which puts John under the Aquarius Zodiac. Aquarius is interestingly the Water Bearer. They did a great job composing this literature.
The sixth month the angel referenced was that Mary's cousin Elizabeth was in her sixth month of pregnancy. The sixth month of the Jewish calendar is Adar and corresponds with Gregorian calendars the months of February and March. Virgo is the 9th month September.
I misspoke there is a difference between the Jewish calendar and the Hebrew calendar, and you are right the sixth month of the Hebrew year is August-September. But the sixth month referenced by the angel was Elizabeths pregnancy.
@@emilywyatt9340ironic isn't it? The December date and story had more to do with the European pagans date of Winter Solstice celebrations and the Greco-Roman wild festival called Saturnalia which took place on the dates we now call "Christmas". I don't recall why they did it that way, but yes, the birth would have taken place more likely in spring around Spring Equinox, or in the Fall, around Autumn Equinox.
Why is killing Jesus such a bad thing when the Jesus dying on the cross is the bases of Christianty. If Jesus had died of old age where would this religion be?
We never learn any of this in church. Why does churches have teachings(bible study) 3 times a week if they are going to lie? I always questioned these stories.
Actually, there are liberal/progressive churches that do indeed teach things of this nature. In my particular denomination (Unitarian-Universalist) such teachings/beliefs are common, including with the clergy.
Jesus said give Ceaser his taxes and give to God Almighty Almighty what is due to Him. This guy is very ignorant and he biased and probably he doesn't even believe in God. He talks as if he was there 2000 years ago and what he is saying is mear speculation and his own self invented ideas. Look at the 2.5 billion Christians and just beleive it through faith and Jesus said faith as small as the mustard seed is enough to accept God Almighty and Jesus. Nobody is going to gain anything by your discourse and Christianity is full blown and no one is going to beleive you for Christianity is spread with help of the Holy Sprit. Remember nothing iis impossible to God Almighty. You are a AntiChrist and and people like you were mentioned 2000 years ago by John. Nothing New!!!!
🤔Tell me by what POWER Yeshua(Jesus) raised LAZARUS from the DEAD, and the Daughter of the ruler of the pharisees, and the old widow only Son. both back to LIFE. Elijah pray to the LORD 4 the child. 1st Kings 17:22,23. Elisha pray to the LORD 4 the child. 2nd Kings 4:6 JESUS(Yeshua Hamashiach) said to the dead LAZARUS in the tomb. "Lazarus come out" John 11:39,43. JESUS said to the old Widows only Son in the coffin. "Young man, I say unto thee, Arise" Luke 7:12-15. JESUS said to the Ruler of the synagogue dead Daughter. "Maid, Arise" Luke 8:49-56. REPENT of your sin, Call upon the LORD GOD(YHWH), BELIEVE Jesus the Messiah that he SENT and he will be merciful to your Soul. John 3:16/Isaiah 53. YESHUA(JESUS)HAMASHIACH, The Son of DAVID, the Son of ABRAHAM, The Son of GOD. Matthew 1:1/Proverbs 30:4. Isaiah 11:1, 10. Genesis 18:18.
What is fascinating is how increasingly the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures are being studied as artifacts of a by-gone time. So much of both scriptures have very little, if anything, that is relatable to the present day. And so much of Paul's writings deal with theological disputes that have virtually no bearing on or relevance to 21st Century life. Even Bible studies that begin with enthusiasm and prayers for understanding and discernment end in boredom and bewilderment, with the participants revving up interest in arcane arguments and a lot of First Century misinformation and religious propaganda that falls flat from exposure to critical thinking ... and demonstrating that misspent religious passion is simply misspent religious passion, regardless the century or the religion. You do an amazing job, Derek, getting this much needed information out to believers and non-believers alike. Keep up he good work.
Even before the Greeks the Egyptians had already stated that their pharaohs were sons of god immaculately conceived. Two Pharaohs even have it in stone in their temples.
You have a dime a dozen son of gods in antiquity. Alexander the Great son of a god, Ceasar related to the goddess Venus, Hercules son of a god and so on.
KMT (Egypt) is mentioned 242 times in Genesis and Exodus alone... around 400 times in the "old testament". If Abraham existed, and the Bible says he did not Hebrews, a very generous timeline would be circa 1680 bce. Every Christian concepts is codified in African Kemetic spiritual texts circa 3000 bce. Yet, European scholars and researchers act as though Greeks & Persians created the concepts. This Eurocentric cultural-ethnic-racial bias contaminates and distorts every aspect of theological study. Eurocentric minds also ignore the Diadochi Wars from 322-281 bce that serve as the catalyst for development of Jewish and Persian folklore. So, even in these type of videos, a non-European must sort through the bias to get to the real story. We must sort through perpetual bias. Very frustrating.
@@TorianTammas But the only one that came to pay for your sin debt with his innocent holy blood is JESUS, and He rose from the dead, and reigns forever. And if you call on Him, He makes house calls.
@@johndoney2665 I sm sorry, but crucifiction is a death without blood spill. Not to mention that the execution of another criminal changes nothing. It is estimated that up to 100.000 jews were crucified in the first century. So it was pretty ordinary to end on the cross because Romans considered one s rebel against Rome.
Since the Immaculate Conception isn't reported anywhere in the Bible, on the Feast of the Immaculate Conception, a gospel reading describing the virgin birth is used in the Catholic mass. This confuses many Catholics into thinking the Immaculate Conception and the virgin birth are the same thing.
You can prove the church wrong on the “virgin birth” forcing them to acknowledge it’s false, yet they will still teach it to be true. You can prove the resurrection false, and they’ll still teach it as well. They know much of it is lies, but they need Christians to believe it’s true. The more educated our society has become, it’s shocking that people still cling to obviously false claims from the Bible. The Abrahamic religions are well beyond their expiration dates.
@@lilydragonfly4789 You can prove it to yourself by reading Isaiah 7 in full context, its not a messianic prophecy at all. Also the word Almah should be rendered young woman, not virgin.
@@michaelmacias8 It is a fantasy of desillusionist followers of a false dead messiah. The members of his group could not accept his death and so they made up that he will return.We have people who see their dead relatives in dreams or even think they are awake. It us a simple "can't cope with the reality of death". We have people who imagined to gave seen Elvis after his death, but they did not make a religion out of their inability to accept the reality. This is the simplest explanation.
Derek - many thanks for a stimulating and thoughtful channel! Nary a dud so far, and I've watched many. My own take on all this is as an ex-Catholic kid who no longer believes in any kind of supernatural. But the cultural/historical perspectives, is fascinating. You're a great inteviewer - informed, kind, but not afaid of raising contradictory points.
If funny because you can’t prove many historical figures like Sun Tzu existed yet you choose to doubt god 😂. You can’t even prove the earth isn’t flat without referencing someone else’s findings. Your knowledge is a farce.
Truly God has hidden from the eye's of the world what the true meaning of the word alma ( virgin) used in the bible, a classic example coming from people that don't study the bible that combine the the two words virginity and virgin and believing they mean the same thing, then to make matters worse, they don't truly know what a miracle is, then attribute something that happens daily around the world as being a miracle. No facts at all in this video, only assumptions, we can today prove what a alma=virgin is, just as the parents of her could do in their day however it's impossible to prove whether a young woman has virginity or not and for that matter a woman of any age, a total lack of knowledge concerning nature and what it is and what it's not
An early medieval Catholic theologian - I thing Albertus the Great or Alcuin - consulted with rabbis and concluded that this passage was not a prophecy of Jesus.
In much of Latin America, Catholicism has a strong popular vein and has gotten syncretized with parts of Native and African religions. Mary is not one, but hundreds, each named for one of her virtues or an event in her mythic life. Her images (idols) have been found miraculously all over, in a tree, a river, etc. She is worshiped as much or more than Jesus, because of her power in intercession as the Mother of God. The devout often identify with one of her apparitions or one of hundreds of saints, said to intercede as well. Children get named for a favorite version of Mary or saint. There is at least one male and one female saint for each day of the calendar.
Hey man,Jesus Christ lived after he was crucified,which means there was no life sacrificed,he would have had to remain dead,in order to be a sacrifice.He didn't stay dead,no life was sacrificed.
This programs concept of the Jesus story is among the best I have heard, and falls heavily within the boundaries of my own thoughts on the subject and, acceptance of the idea that He is an Historical figure taken out of context and obviously completely out of the possibility of reality. The Pauline Christian movement and eventually Christian Church used the opportunity of the presence of Jesus and the Jesus movement to build a new Religion that is in line with the other Religions, pagan mostly with some form of the Hebrew Religious beliefs mixed in. Bless you both for this enlightening program.
I don't believe that christ existed at ALL. I think he was probably an amalgam of people that were around circa this time. no EVIDENCE supports this character's existence. ''experts'' opinions are nothing but hearsay. which anyone with a brain realizes does not constitute real evidence. christianity is the same wish-thinking and subsequent game of telephone that all religions are.
I could swear I left a comment about recommending this channel! Anyway, I almost always do,, whenever religious discussions come up in threads online. Im sure its popularity is going to accelerate as well,, at some point as the cumulative effect of the content builds up over time and people share it around more and more/
@@InterestedInDansk you are conflating conversion with adoption. Simply said, one cannot be adopted into a tribe. Tribal affiliation is paternal. If a Kohen (priest) adopts a child, he or she does not become a priest.
@@InterestedInDansk thanks for all that but I was just pointing out that y’all interpret our Hebrew Scriptures differently and we are not obliged to accept this interpretations
🤔Tell me by what POWER Yeshua(Jesus) raised LAZARUS from the DEAD, and the Daughter of the ruler of the pharisees, and the old widow only Son. both back to LIFE.😄 Elijah pray to the LORD 4 the child. 1st Kings 17:22,23. Elisha pray to the LORD 4 the child. 2nd Kings 4:6 JESUS(Yeshua Hamashiach) said to the dead LAZARUS in the tomb. "Lazarus come out" John 11:39,43. JESUS said to the Widows only Son in the coffin. "Young man, I say unto thee, Arise" Luke 7:12-15. JESUS said to the Ruler dead Daughter. "Maid,Arise" Luke 8:49-56. REPENT of your sin, Call upon the LORD GOD(YHWH), BELIEVE Jesus the Messiah that he SENT and he will be merciful to your Soul. John 3:16. YESHUA(JESUS)HAMASHIACH, The Son of David, the Son of Abraham, The Son of God. Matthew 1:1/Proverbs 30:4. Isaiah 11:1, 10. Genesis 18:18.
I love this. I know it goes against what many people believe to be true. The Bible is inspired. Many points Christians can't explain. I'll say this clear, logical explanation of the Bible's history will do Christianity a lot of good for our national rebirth. Keep going. I'm a Unificationist. I'm waiting to see how you progress along your explanations. In general, I've seen few Christians seriously analyze religion as I'm hearing here. We need more clear talk. Please. Thank you.
I am watching this on Christmas Eve, 2023. Very ironic. It sucks because it blows the Nativity and Christmas itself to pieces, right when I'm getting ready to sorta kinda "celebrate " with my little family. Lucky for me, I have known about most of this for years. Very excellent presentation, I must say.
@@TrisjensChronicles1203 I think you’re really gonna like it. I couldn’t put it down. So informative, will completely arm you to fight all the bullshit that Christians love to talk about.
@@mnamhie That’s what I want to be armed with also. I saw a video he did recently that broke it all down from Judaism to Christianity and it was amazing. That’s what made me want his book. Very good teacher.
The birth of Jesus was simply done through artificial insemination. Mary could still have been virgin, and was inseminated. After all, there have been cases where semen had passed through the vagina, and fertilized an egg. Artificial insemination in those times was of course unknown. So, there have to have been a more technological advanced beings who might have been extraterrestrials who performed this procedure. A flying ship with a strong reflecting light might have been though of the Star of Bethlehem. A couple of beings telling Joseph that Mary was going to have a child, might have been though of been celestial angels. Jesus might have been part human from Mary, and part extraterrestrial father, or a God for them. Not disputing that there is no God, just in this instance these beings might not have been the real Gods. Humanity had created many religions and fight each other for them. Modern people marvel that without advanced technology, many incredible things were done in antiquity. Beings doing things using advanced technology must have been though of been Gods.
I'm Spanish, and as you know, Catholicism is supreme here. One interesting thing, is I only learned about Jesus brother Jacob (Santiago in spanish, James in english) from the internet when i was 20+. Im not claiming they hide it or anything, but I even went several times to alleged tomb in Santiago de Compostela. But I always remember ppl referring to him as "the apostle Santiago", and never the brother of Jesus. I guess that's another way to "deal" with the virginity stuff
King Herod died in 4 BCE - but the gospel of ‘Matthew’ (whoever he was...) merely places the birth of ‘Jesus’ during the ‘reign of King Herod’ (31 BCE - 4 BCE)...interestingly (according to Iranaeus who got the story from the 80 year old Polycarp of Smyrna who got it from the 94-year Old John the Elder when Polycarp was 17 years old) in the Gospel of ‘John’ makes a coded reference to Jesus’ birth in 12 BCE (‘46 years was this temple in the rebuilding & you will destroy it & rebuild it in 3 days? ‘But he spoke of the ‘temple’ of his Body...’ which would place the birth of ‘Jesus’ c. 12 BCE when Herod’s 2nd Temple new Foundation was being laid (which coincided with the appearance of Halley’s Comet - Star of Bethlehem ?!!)
This is how the two dates can be reconciled: Josephus' Wars of the Jews, Book 1 Chapter 33 para 2: "...the one Judas, the son of Sepphoris..." Wars Book 2 Chapter 4 para 2: "In Sepphoris also, a city of Galilee, there was one Judas..." Wars Book 2 Chapter 8 para 1: "...a certain Galilean, whose name was Judas, prevailed with his countrymen to revolt..." The first Judas opposed Herod just before his death, while the second Judas is connected to the first Judas by the name "Sepphoris" and to the third Judas by the name "Galilee", and finally the third Judas is credited with the founding of a fourth sect of Judaism around the time of the "census". Josephus fails to name this fourth sect when it is introduced, but later it is linked to the term "zealots" and thus few have been willing to identify this fourth sect with Christianity. Actually, this forth sect was a form of Gnosticism which was tamed into submission to become Christian Gnosticism. (The name "Judas" was intended to suggest the Hebrew word "yada" which means "to know", while the story of the transformation into Christian Gnosticism is told through Saul's/Paul's conversion on the Road to Damascus.) There was really only one Judas, but Josephus could not openly explain how this Judas nearly destroyed Judaism by exposing the truth about religious allegory, so he broke the story into three parts and fed it to his readers that way. The "tax collecting" opposed by the third Judas was simply a metaphor for "censorship". It is also interesting to note that Josephus mentions all three of these Judases in his Antiquities, but the chain is broken at both ends by changing "Sepphoris" to "Saripheus" and "Galilean" to "Gaulonite". This serves to emphasize the notion that something deliberate was intended in the way these Judases were presented. To put it another way, these apparent "contradictions" made by Josephus are chronologically in the same location as the "contradictions" made by the authors of Matthew and Luke.
@@warrensmith8161 - ‘Judas’ is the same name as ‘Theudas’ & Yehudah / Judah & merely means ‘joining of tribelets (yad (=Hand /yahad (=joining of hands, assembly, church) & Yehudah = ‘joining of assemblies’) NB the name Yehudah Judah was given to the hotchpotch of southern Yisroelite / Canaanite tribelets & was NOT listed as one of the 11 tribelets in the Song of Deborah in Judges chapter 6... Judas / Theudas / Yehudah was a very common name given to Jewish males after the time of John Hyrcanus (c. 107 BCE) and it is easy to confuse them-three of Jesus’ own disciples were called Judas (‘Judas the son of Shimeon, Ish-Kerya (‘the bursar’) & Judas the son of Yakkov the Levite aka Thaddeus’ and Judas ‘Didymos Thomas’ the ‘twin’ I.e. the close lookalike body-double & blood brother of ‘Jesus’ -and the Galileans revolted under yet another ‘Judas’ in BCE 4 when Palestine as a whole was divided up by Rome at the death of the last King (Herod) and the territory we broken up into 4 provinces under the Syrian Legate & govern’d by 4 Tetrarchs; Judaea was formerly annexed (and therefore taxable as a ‘province’) in AD6 when ‘Cyrenius was Governor of Syria...so ‘Luke’ (whoever he was...) got the date wrong (10 years AFTER the death of Herod); ‘Matthew’ (whoever he was...) claim’d that ‘ho Iesous’ was born during the reign of Herod the Great (BCE 31-4BCE); John’s Gospel (whoever he was....l) encoded a date c. 12 BCE in 2:21 (‘40 & 6 years was this Temple in the rebuilding and you think you can destroy it & rebuild it in 3 days?!’ ‘But he spake of the Temple of his Body’ c. 34 CE which would make ‘Jesus’ 48 years old when he was executed for arm’d sedition against Rome during Pesach in 36 CE, the 100th Anniversary of Pompey’s troops invasion of Judaea in 63 BCE (‘The times of the Gentiles are over-these Be now the Days of Vengeance of our clan god-repent (=‘shuvah’ = ‘return to the Torah & Testimony of YHWH = protoIsaiah 30:15ff) and believe in the Good News of the Kingdom of David...’ Messianic fervor was at its height during the ministry of ‘Iesous’ to reinstate the Daviddic kingdom (in exile since BCE 587 with the Babylonian Exile) and overthrow both the Romans & their ‘cowering-jackals’ the ‘Tzadukkim’ (Sons of Zadok aka Saduccees) who had assum’d the dual title of ‘priests & kings’ using a command in Exodus as their pretext: ‘Thou shalt be unto me a Kingdom of Priests, an Holy Nation..’ this should be enough to shew the levels of political complexity of the times reflected in much of the Dead Sea Scroll corpus which was locked up in their caves when Nero’s troops finally invaded the tiny kingdom & put an end to all the simultaneous rebellions during the 100 year Anniversary of the Roman Occupation of Judaea...
@@donaldgoodell7675 I follow the notion presented in Plato's Cratylus that there is a "correctness" to names and part of this correctness is determined by the context in which the name appears. Since the allegory informs me that Judas was the true founder of Gnosticism, I can only conclude that the correct intended meaning was based on the Hebrew word "yada". This is not to say that similar sounding names could not also be associated with "yada", but an additional element of context might identify them as a different type of Judas. For example, Judas Maccabee could be a "hero" because the name "Maccabee" was intended to refer to the Hebrew word "machabe" which means "a hiding place" which indicates that this Judas refused to share his knowledge. In allegory, actual dates and places are sacrificed to serve as metaphors so attempting to get all the pieces to fit together based on a literal reading is futile. My view on the name "Thomas" is that it was intended to represent the name "Tammuz" and this is confirmed by the fact that "Didymus" is a near anagram of the name "Dumuzid" (vs Dumysid) which was a Sumerian name of the god Tammuz. Since Tammuz shared a number of similarities with Christ, it is only natural that he should also be presented literally as a "twin". As for the correctness of the name "Cratylus", I associate it with the Latin word "cratalis" which is frequently included in the etymology of the word "grail".
@@HistoryandReviews - yes, correct, that is his age (46) at the time of the story - nearly 2 years before his execution for arm’d sedition against Rome in 36 CE at age 48 (as Iranaeus was told by Polycarp who was told by John The Elder (possibly one of the 70 apostles of the 3rd gospel ‘according to Luke’ -whoever he was...)-as you rightly point out, ‘Thou art not yet 50 years old and yet Thou hast seen our father Avraham ?’
" From a talk by Osho There are a few points to be understood. One: Jesus can be born only out of a virgin woman. But remember, virginity has nothing to do with celibacy -- not, at least, for me. Virginity is something immensely different. Don't reduce it to sex. Sex can be virgin, and celibacy may not be virgin. Things are very complicated. If a man is celibate and thinks constantly of sex, he is not virgin. On the other hand, if a man makes love to a woman, or the woman makes love to a man, and there is no thought of sex -- no sexuality in the head, no cerebral sex -- it is virgin. Virgin means pure. Virgin means uncontaminated. Virgin means spontaneous. Virgin means simple, innocent. Now, sex is not the problem. Sexuality is the problem. There are people who are continuously thinking of sex. And the more you try to enforce some celibacy on yourself -- you become a nun or a monk -- the more you think of sex. In fact, then you don't think about anything else, you only think of sex because that is your starved part. It takes revenge, it becomes very aggressive. It comes again and again, bubbles up, surfaces in the head. And you go on doing prayer to keep it repressed, and you go on doing this and that -- a thousand and one things. But whenever there is rest, it is there. You go to sleep and it is there. It becomes your dream, it becomes your fantasy. If you repress it too much, then it starts coming in different symbols. They may not be sexual on the surface but deep down they are sexual. Sexuality means that sex has entered into the head, but why has sex entered into the head in the first place? It enters into the head if you repress it. Anything repressed enters into the head. Try for three days: go on a fast, and food will enter into the head. For seven days don't take a bath... I am not talking about hippies. If you are a hippy, then this won't do. For seven days don't take a bath, and that will enter in your head. For three, four days don't sleep, and that will enter in your head. And then you will be continuously thinking of sleep, sleep will be continuously coming and you will be yawning. Whatsoever is starved enters into the head. And when something enters into the head your whole being becomes polluted with it. By 'virginity', I mean that Mary must have been in a very very non-sexual state. She must have been a very innocent woman. She must not have been thinking about sex; she must have made love, but that love was innocent. There was no idea in it: mind was not interfering. It was completely uncontaminated by the mind, uninterfered with by the mind. That's what we in Tantra say real love is. You meet a woman, you don't think about sex at all. Only pathological people think about sex, healthy people don't think about sex. There is no need. You enjoy the beauty of the woman -- her face, her eyes, her proportion -- you are simply thrilled by her being. There is no idea to do anything to her, there is no idea to exploit, there is no idea to possess. You are immensely interested, but very innocently. There is no planning in your mind, there is no future, then it is a virgin relationship. One day love can happen. One day listening to music, dancing together, love can possess you both: you can make love to each together. But even while making love, there is no idea -- there is no mind in it. It is innocent of mind, then it is a virgin relationship. If you ask me, then this is what I mean by 'virgin'. Jesus cannot be born in the way Christians say -- that is absurd, stupid. But why do they say that he was born out of a virgin mother? They are too obsessed with sex, and to them it seems degrading that Jesus should come out of sex, out of an ordinary love relationship. That looks very very disturbing to them... and coming through the ordinary passage of sex? No, that is not possible. If Jesus can come through sex, then how will they condemn sex? Then how will they tell their nuns and their monks 'Don't ever go into sex. It is ugly, it is the greatest sin there is!'? (But ) if Jesus himself enters into the world through natural love, it will be difficult to condemn."
That's terrible to think an all powerful God would make a 13 year old child pregnant and have a baby. Or to think that a man made this stuff up like it's something wonderful and passed it off as the word and will of God. Just terrible.
I believe it was Richard Carrier who addressed the problem of Jesus’ brothers/siblings by explaining that members of a congregation often call eachother brother and sister. So the brothers (and sisters) of Jesus are actually the followers, not siblings.
Yes, but I believe you are referring to the description in Paul's letters of his meeting with James, "the brother of the lord." That is often viewed as the best evidence of a historical Jesus. (IMO this is the best and ONLY real possible evidence of a historical Jesus) Carrier uses the explanation you mentioned of what Paul might have meant by that. However, the presenter is referring to the Gospels (I forget which one, maybe Matthew) where Jesus goes to his hometown and gets up in front of the synagogue and implies that he is the messiah. In return he receives vitriol and skepticism from the congregation and they say, we've known you since you grew up and we even know your brothers (I think they name several of them) and sisters. Apparently, they didn't get to see the Nativity. So this reference seems to be about biological siblings. The Catholic church has said these were his step siblings through Joseph, though that assertion is not in the Bible.
The catholic church is strong to their faith because they are not worshipping a God that doesn't communicate with them. There are may people that are walking in this earth today that already saw Jesus and Mary. It so hard for them to deny their existence, especially if you experience their power. I experience it myself.
The sun is born of. Virgin on Christmas Day because before sunrise the constellation Virgo rises and is there for the birth of the new sun following the three day solstice when the sun literally stands still (playing dead) in the Southern Hemisphere near the southern cross. So it was said that he was born of a virgin and died on a cross. And three stars in Orion’s Belt called three kings point to the sunrise on Christmas Day. The sun also walks on water turns water into wine and wears a crown of thorns ! Think sun rays!
Lord he thought he'd make a man Dem bones gonna rise again Took a little water, took a little sand Dem bones goona rise again .... My sister sang that to me after she came back from Girl Scout Camp.... That is probably how a lot of people know about that origin story from the Bible.
The dogma of the immaculate conception says that Mary was redeemed before all other people. An example that in principle every person has access to the kingdom of heaven even before the Savior was born. The dogma of the bodily acceptance of Mary into heaven is based on the same logic . Translated: Because Mary is redeemed and in heaven, all people have the chance to go the same way after their death. For this to be possible, God must exist. For all the world to recognize this, he must be visible. He is born as a human being. Many have not recognized him. This is what the apostle Paul says: If Jesus is not God incarnate, then there is no afterlife for anyone and God does not exist either.
I'm sorry but Paul never says that. He says if Jesus hasn't been raised from the dead then our faith is in vain. Nothing about whether or not he is God incarnate. An idea he never believed in or preached anyways, neither did any of the other New Testament authors.
As far as Jesus’s conception being non-sexual, Muslim apologists would dispute this, like the late Ahmed Deedat, quoting Luke 1:35: "The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee, and that which is to be born shall be called the Son of God." Deedat said that this language is "of the Earth, Earthy" and that the language of the Qu'ran account, "God said 'Be' and it is!", is much more in line with how God would beget someone to be born of a virgin. And then he asked members of the audience, "Which would you rather teach your daughter, the Lukan version or the Islamic version?" (1985 Ahmed Deddat debate with Xian apologists in Baton Rouge, it's on UA-cam)
The immaculate concept/conception is definitely found in the Gnostic compendiums. It describes that the "thrice male virgin source produced auto genes which are immaculately conceived".
Just to clarify...the Immaculate Conception doesn't have to do with the conception of Jesus. The Immaculate Conception is the idea that Mary was conceived without the stain of the original sin
Being naked in the Garden doesn't mean that they were not wearing clothes. Being naked means they felt vulnerable because of their authenticity. Putting their clothes back on is like wearing a mask, hiding their authenticity, so that they could fit in or easily. Eating the fruit means allowing your judgment to get under your skin. Judgment is the fruit produced by the knowledge of Good and Evil, the trees namesake. Forgiveness, apology, or humility is spitting the fruit up. Grace is leaving it on the tree, reserving judgment or at least are attachment to it. The church and even the Bible would have you believe that the original sin had to do with obedience but it actually had nothing to do with obedience. It had everything to do with emotional intelligence. 48:00
If the fulfilment of the virgin-birth prophecy in the Gospel of Matthew is correct, then christianity ought to have a record of two virgin- birth narratives. The first one would have happened in Isaiah's time, and the second one would have occured at the birth of Jesus. The original prophecy in lsaiah 7 was given and fulfilled by God to comfort the king of Judah, at that time. While the second so-called virgin-birth prophecy, in the New Testament, was supposed to have been given to Mary and fulfilled some seven hundred years later after the fulfilment of the original prophecy of lsaiah.
Luke took the virgin birth story from the Mahabharata - Indian scripture 2300BC "The sage Durvasa had blessed Kunti, daughter of King Kunti Bhog, with a boon. He initiated her into a unique mantra, through which she could invoke any divine being to provide her with a son. Kunti conceived her first son, Karna, from Surya, the Sun God, as a virgin, and had to abandon him". ....also the story of Moses floating down the river in a basket was also taken from this same story.
The Magi were priests of Zoroaster and astrologers. So the "star" could have been an astrological calculation that indicated a time and place for the birth of a savior. Not that I believe the story, just saying.
I've read in several places where the "star" was actually the conjunction of a few large planets, thus making it look like one huge star. I think it was Jupiter (king), Venus (virgin queen), and something else. Maybe Saturn. The astrologer magi (wise men) would have known far in advance when this conjunction would have happened ("followed" the "star"...on their maps), and where it would be fully seen (somewhere in Israel). The conjunction probably historically occurred, and the concepts those planets represent could have created this exact nativity story to surround it.
Clarity: The Immaculate Conception has nothing to do with the Vuirgin Birth. Immaculate Conception is not about the birth of Jesus. It is about Mary's conception - conceived without original sin, if believe in orginal sin in the western church's notion of it. In the Eastern church people on not born with the guilt of original sin. The term used is the sin of Adam and Eve because only Adam and Eve are guilty of that sin. All of humanity bears the consequences of that sin but not the guilt. So everyone in that sense is conceived without original sin.
She could have become pregnant with an idea 💡 Conceive-concept….. The Holy Spirit entering through Mary’s ear could have been symbolic to a penetration of the mind, what information have you heard. A person’s heart is moved or they change what they believe through information or the renewing of their mind. In Matthew 1:8, Mary becomes pregnant with a child who has the Holy Ghost. (Holy- The whole entire professed formation / Ghost-The principal of life, soul,spirit.) Jesus knew the the whole entire professed formation of life, soul, spirit. Jesus was a genius. Or Mary was a Gnostic. I came to the same conclusion that Mary was possibly impregnated by a soldier or someone very very high in ranking just by reading information. I am an uneducated single mother who fell in love with Jesus and decided to seek him out. I couldn’t believe what I was finding…… Thank you for this content!
The so called Immaculate Conception" refers to the conception of Mary, not Jesus. Although apparently no sex involved in Jesus' conception either but it is a very common mistake to attribute the term Immaculate Conception to Jesus.
More to the point , why was the age of Mary always kept hidden ? Well for those who want to know she was 14 years old when she gave birth , this is the reality of this truly awful vile and disgusting story .
Well I would have thought it's pretty clear as I have explained . You see there's an entire story , more like saga but we've only been told the good bits . The bits they've left out are just unpalatable , for example Mary was 14 years of age and Joseph was 50 years of age , Let's stop here because I live for the day when religious belief will be classified as a form of mental illness , insanity .
Whatever the exact figures are the reality is 99% of so called Christians are totally unaware of this because it comes across as negative . And this goes for so many stories in the bible that were omitted to make them more palatable .
🤔Tell me by what POWER Yeshua(Jesus) raised LAZARUS from the DEAD, and the Daughter of the ruler of the pharisees, and the old widow only Son. both back to LIFE.😄 Elijah pray to the LORD 4 the child. 1st Kings 17:22,23. Elisha pray to the LORD 4 the child. 2nd Kings 4:6 JESUS(Yeshua Hamashiach) said to the dead LAZARUS in the tomb. "Lazarus come out" John 11:39,43. JESUS said to the Widows only Son in the coffin. "Young man, I say unto thee, Arise" Luke 7:12-15. JESUS said to the Ruler dead Daughter. "Maid,Arise" Luke 8:49-56. REPENT of your sin, Call upon the LORD GOD(YHWH), BELIEVE Jesus the Messiah that he SENT and he will be merciful to your Soul. John 3:16. YESHUA(JESUS)HAMASHIACH, The Son of David, the Son of Abraham, The Son of God. Matthew 1:1/Proverbs 30:4. Isaiah 11:1, 10. Genesis 18:18.
Since Derek, in his introduction, used the term "Immaculate Conception" to refer to the Virgin Birth, just to set the record straight, the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception has nothing whatsoever to do with the Virgin Birth or with Mary not having sexual relations with any man. The Dogma of the Immaculate Conception holds that Mary was born without Original Sin, unlike the rest of the human race. This is an entirely Roman Catholic teaching-not accepted by Protestant Christianity-and it is unrelated to Mary's sexual behaviour, her virginity, or the manner in which Jesus of Nazareth was conceived. The reason that the Roman Catholic church came up with this dogma is that in its understanding of Original Sin, the sin of Adam in inherited through birth (today we might say it is passed on genetically). Parents inherit the guilt of Adam and Eve's sin from their parents, and they in turn pass it on to their children biologically. This is why infant baptism was instituted: if a child died in infancy without being baptised, it would not be entitled to enter heaven, even though it had committed no sins of its own, since it bore the inherited guilt of Adam and Eve's sin. Catholicism invented a place for infants who died before being baptised: they called it "limbo" (the Church's teaching regarding limbo was quietly retired in 1992, when under Benedict XVI, the Vatican issued a statement dismissing the idea as simply a hypothesis). This is the Doctrine of Original Sin as taught by Roman Catholicism. Now, if Mary was born with Original Sin, she would automatically pass it on to her child, Jesus. The Catholic Church could not have that as part of their teaching, so they invented the idea that when Mary was conceived, she was miraculously free of the guilt associated with Original Sin. The state of being free of Original Sin is described as "immaculate". The Latin term for "Original Sin" is "Maccula Originalis". "Macula" in Latin is "stain; blemish; spot"-hence "immaculate", without stain or spot or blemish.
I’ve often thought the ‘Virgin Birth’ was nothing but a Big Phallus-sy’ !!! The Messiah was suppos’d to have been born in the holiest month of Tishrei-which contains the Feast of Trumpets, the Feast of Rosh Hashannah, The 10 Days of Repentence (Yomei Aseret Teshuvah) Yom Kippur & the Feast of Sukkhot (‘booths’) which is 21 Aug to 20 September according to the Jewish Calendar-the astrological sun sign of the ‘Virgin’ (= Virgo) ... When ‘James the Just’ (Yakkov bar Yosef haTzaddiq, the brother of ‘Jesus’) was ask’d c. 52 CE about the Messiah being born of a ‘Virgin’ he was said to have laughed out loud-‘my brother was conceiv’d & Born just like anyone else...’ he said... Interestingly in ‘Matthew’s’ gospel the 3 faked 14-member sets of Daviddic ancestors contain 5 females (!!) all of them whores or rape-victims (Tamar who dressed as a prostitute to seduce Judah, Rachab the Harlot, Ruth who spread her legs for a relative, Bath-Shebiti (= Bath Sheba) who committed adultery with King David and last in the list of whores or sexual deviants was Mary of Galilee the mother of ‘Jesus’ hmmmm... As my old Durham University Professor CK Barrett us’d to ask us Theology students, ‘what exactly is Mathew (whoever he was...) trying to tell us ?’ Hmmmm
@@HistoryandReviews - apparently it was James (Yakkov bar Yosef haTzaddiq = James the son of Joseph, call’d James The Just) who headed up a communist Zionist Messianic group not unlike the Essenoid Sons of Zadok at Qumran who wrote the Dead Sea Scroll material - his group was call’d ‘the Evionim’ (‘The poor Ones’) After the execution of his brother (R. Yehoshua bar Yosef the Galilean Nazir BCE 12 - 36 CE) for arm’d sedition against Rome during ‘The Insurrection’ (See the gospel of ‘Mark’, whoever he was, chapter 14:57ff) at the 100th Anniversary of the Roman Occupation beginning in 63 BCE...James took over the apocalyptic ‘the time has come to announce-the-Kingdom of Heaven’ ministry of his brother (Gospel of Thomas logion 12 : ‘and they asked him Rebbe, if you are taken from us whom shall we follow then? And J. answered them saying, ‘Immediately go to my brother Yakkov (= James the Just) who is call’d haTzaddiq for whose sake Heaven & Earth has come into being...)- And these Evionim practic’d strict Torah observance (including kashrut diet & Circumcision etc) for centuries after the death of Jesus, whom they call’d The Prophet & Messiah of Yisro’el but rejected the virgin birth claiming that ‘Jesus was born just like everyone else& the divine spirit came upon him only after his Baptism by John...’ Apparently after the 1st Fail’d Jewish War Against Rome (66-72) the ‘Ebionites’ (as they are sometimes call’d) fled to Pella after 72 CE and then broke up into various sub-sects one of which later accepted a miraculous birth of Jesus but the rest never did-the Evionim (‘the poor ones’) always considered themselves Jews although they held a belief in Jesus merely as an inspir’d Messianic Prophet - Unfortunately we do not have a complete ‘Bible’ of the Evionim - only quotations from the enemies of the Ebionites (‘early Church fathers (‘episcopoi’ = ‘overseers’ I.e. ‘bishops’) who consider’d themselves to be the ONLY orthodox & authentic ‘Christians’ !!) from the Gospel the Ebionites us’d as their Scriptures which was written in Hebrew Letters, which closely accorded along the lines of the later Greek Gospel of Matthew in the NT to-day but without chapters 1 & 2 since they denied the Virgin Birth like Elkasai, Carpocratius & Cerinthus who literally translate the original HEBREW prophecy in Isaiah 7:9 as ‘haAlmah’ = ‘that young woman over there...’ as opposed to the LXX Septuagint Greek translation of ‘Virgin’ (Gk Parthenos) - You can see many references to James the Just’s involvement with the founding of the Evionim (read James 2:5 for a coded reference to them) in the writings of the early church fathers / bishops who wrote about them in VERY crude & disparaging terms such as the vicious anti ‘heretical’ writings of Hippolytus, Tertiullian, Origen, Iranaeus of Lyons, Epiphanius, Justin Martyr, Theodotus etal. (as well as the Ebionite-enemy ‘Paul’ did in his epistles referring to them simply as ‘they of the Circumcision’ & in Galatians chapter 2 we read: ‘James & Kefah Those so-call’d Pillars of the Church’ etc); The Evionim / Ebionites actually had much in common with the Essenoid Dead Sea Scroll sectarians at Qumran who penn’d the so-call’d Dead Sea Scrolls in terms of church organisation, Weltanschauung (theological apocalyptic worldview) & technical language & if you read the ‘Epistle of James’ in the New Testament - and Jesus seems to have mention’d them in ‘the Gospel written in Hebrew Letters’ that was often quoted by the early Church bishops (using a Gospel text very close to but not exactly the same as the later Greek ‘Gospel of Matthew’) in verses such as ‘The Evionim you will always have with you to perform Mitzvot for, but the Bar Enasha (son of man, see Aram Daniel 7:13ff) you will not always have to perform Mitzvot for...’ or ‘Blessed are the Evionim, for the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to them...’ &tc
@@BlGGESTBROTHER / sorry Big - the subject of NT theology & ‘Christian’ origins is vast (especially since the discovery of the Dead Sea Scroll corpus & it slow & painful process of publication to the masses...) and there is A LOT of background information to cover in these discussions !!!!
What is truth? Christians will say that Jesus is the truth. But if truth be told, it is defined as the extent to which a proposition or a claim conforms reality. Never forget this! For if the church had the "truth", do you think there would be so many denominations in christianity? Each denomination is a bold statement to the world, declaring that the other denominations of christianity are in error and void of the truth. So many denominations is evidence that the church is yet to find truth. After all, God is not the author of confusion.
@@InterestedInDansk Where is your evidence for such lofty claims? You speak much but demonstrate nothing. Truth is defined as the extent to which a proposition or a claim conforms to reality. I gave examples of the many denominations in christianity to show that these churches, while walking by faith and not by sight, all have different doctrines and claiming that they have the truth. This is undeniable evidence that they don't have the truth, which you can confirm yourself. According to the New Testament, God is not the author of confusion. Therefore, one must conclude that these christian churches are not serving the God of truth. But why is it so hard for these churches to get the truth right, any way? Could it be that the messages that they are reading are leading them all to this great confusion? I'm just wondering!
@@beslanintruder2077 Hi thank you for your comments . Tell me what is confusing about Gods plan of salvation thru his so Jesus Christ . Gods plan of salvation is the same in every translation what confuses you ? If you do not mind sharing do you also mind sharing what contradictions ? Thank you .
Greatly enjoyed this presentation and the following discussion! I'll have to check out Bill Zuersher's book as I really liked his way of explaining things.
In the Talmud, one needed two witnesses to adultery, so as there aren’t two witnesses to acts of adultery. Just a quick example of how the rabbis interpreted the Tanach.
I have told believers, if I told you a story about a child born from a miraculous birth, persecuted by someone of power, experienced an awakening, was put through trials, performed miraculous feet’s, was betrayed by someone close to him, died and rose from the dead to ascend to a place next to his deity Father, who would I be talking about??? Many said Jesus and I corrected them and told them Hercules. So I can understand a few things being similar, but this story has the same elements and plot as the Greek “myth” of the demigod Hercules.
I know this is “MythVision Podcast” but this information would be more interesting on UA-cam as a presentation with corresponding images or visuals. In my opinion.
The virgin birth idea is an astrological matter to do with the placement of the constellation Virgo relative to the earth at the time of Christ's birth. 🔥
That Botticelli painting of Augustine looks awesome. I had no idea that this North African was responsible for all the sexual problems of us Catholics (and former Catholics who adore the quaintness of the faith and who relish the abuses of our Catholic education, nuns telling children that shorts are a "venial sin" and short shorts a "mortal sin.")
The virgin birth is a metaphor, on the sublimation of sexual energy into soma _ [ meaning psychic energy that feeds higher consciousness.] Modern scholars take concept out of context. As the ancients believed that celibacy was necessary for spiritual progress. The speaker takes the virgin birth much too literally, it is the higher self or soul which is waking up , or being born to its divine nature.
Here’s the thing i’m going to assume that anybody watching this at least except evolution. Because if you’re questioning the virgin birth you’re likely not a fundamentalist. But evolutionarily speaking a functioning hermaphroditic woman in the early first century would’ve gone completely unnoticed and so a potential virgin pregnancy that is pregnant with an unbroken hymen is not a technically impossible mutation. And examining the biblical account and appears that Joseph had sex with Mary and all of Mary’s children were from Joseph, when Jesus and Mary died the mutation died with them. And considering that hermaphrodites exist today but as of yet have not seen a repeat of a functional hermaphroditic woman does not exclude the possibility that Mary may have been one. In this incredibly rare and never again repeated natural event may still qualify as miraculous.
I'm Christian. The Virgin Birth myth is the afterbirth of the Trinity dogma. Jesus couldn't have been born this way or he wouldn't have been the Messiah. Jesus was the Messiah and his human Father was Joseph, the scriptures say the truth, but the truth cannot be seen if the mind is filled with the lies of Trinitarianism and its Virgin Birth myth lies. The mind is diluted but the truth remains intact despite Trinitarian translation bias such as indoctrinating people with the word "virgin" (in reference to Isaiah 7:14) instead of "the young woman."
Hello, I can't understand this word at 55:00. Can someone help me, please?"...angel that's coming down and becoming incarnate (...HUMORIZED???...) if you will...". Thanks
A problem with the virgin birth concept is that if Mary was not a virgin on her wedding night she should have been taken out and stoned in front of her father's house because "She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house." (Deut 22:21). Joseph and her were merely pledged and not yet married when Joseph found out about her being pregnant. Mat 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. Mat 1:19 Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly. While maybe stretching things a bit, if a woman's family could not provide proof of her virginity on her wedding night she was to be stoned. Deut 22:13-21. And while finding out she's pregnant before her wedding night is a bit of a stretch, it's hard to imagine anyone would think her a virgin if she was pregnant already. There was no "silently divorcing her" stuff, they were not yet married. Joseph would have simply pointed out her pregnancy and her parents would be left with the consequences. Divorce was already a "quiet affair", the man just gave his wife a certificate of divorce and down the road she went, with only those things he allowed her to take with her. She was already disgraced, for being a "betrothed virgin" in her father's house who was pregnant and obviously not a virgin. Unless one is a simpleton and believes that "Oh, don't worry, God did it" story. How did he find out she was pregnant anyway? Did she just say "Joseph honey, by the way, "god came upon me and I'm carrying his child"?" If Joseph noticed so would have her family and friends. AND long before Joseph did, as they were living with her and he was not. Or shouldn't have been anyway, they were only pledged. (I don't think they had 'bundling bags' in those times). There would be no "shotgun wedding", she'd have been taken out and stoned, and before Joseph could find out, if they were truly a righteous family. Did her parents notice her condition, assume her and Joseph just 'couldn't wait" and decide to force him to hurry up the wedding? I don't think it worked that way in those times. Joseph would have denied being the father, that Law was clear anyway. If they were unmarried and HE was the father he'd have been stoned to death as well (or at least one would think so as harsh as the Deuteronomy laws were on the matter). If they were unmarried and he denied being the father then the betrothal was off, she was guilty, stoned and Joseph got his bride price back.
Stop saying "Jesus christ".....christ is a titel...not family name...Jesus wasn't the son of Mary and Josef Christ. And 100% he isn't the christ/Messiah.
Bills book is awesome. Listening to him though is complete torture because of all the Uh's and Um's which he used 483 times on this video. I wish he would work on that.
Could the reason that the Bible DOESN'T name Jesus's sisters because they were Mary's daughters?? I've ALWAYS wondered why Jesus's sisters weren't named but his brothers were.
I’m so glad he brought up the genealogy thing. I hardly ever hear anyone bring it up, but it so blatantly irrelevant it’s funny! The genealogy of Jesus cannot be what is in the Bible, because the core of the belief is that he is the actual son of god. God would be his only ancestor.
The Messiah has to a a biological descendant. Tribal affiliation was patriarchal. It couldn't be passed on via adoption. Joseph would have to be his father.
@@emilywyatt9340 Joseph registered Yeshua as his firstborn child with his wife Mary. No adoption was needed, no questions to Joseph. Yeshua was in Nazareth known as the son of Joseph. Yeshua is legally the heir of the throne of David through Solomon.
I've read in several places where the "star" was actually the conjunction of a few large planets, thus making it look like one huge star. I think it was Jupiter (king), Venus (virgin queen), and something else. Maybe Saturn. The astrologer magi (wise men) would have known far in advance when this conjunction would have happened ("followed" the "star"...on their maps), and where it would be fully seen (somewhere in Israel). The conjunction probably historically occurred, and the concepts those planets represent could have created this exact nativity story to surround it.
...wasn't Venus "birthed" from Jupiter according to the EU theory? Maybe it was Saturn? Can't remember now. One of them spit out Venus. And ancient humans saw it happen. Not sure if that could apply here tho. The timeliness might not work.
I'm not so keen on Bill Zuersher's hypothesis. I think there is more weight in the hypothesis that Paul doesn't mention the birth of Jesus because Paul's Jesus wasn't Earth based, Mark didn't mention the birth because Mark was of the notion that Jesus was just a nice regular guy who had the Holy Spirit enter him upon John The Baptist's baptism of Jesus (passing through water), and then Jesus as 'God in Man' carried out his/god's ministry, Matthew and Luke needed to be more in-tune with the Jewish scriptures and prophecies to be more appealing to Jewish converts, like wise with John but John has Jesus as a full blown Demi-god, hence all the magic and miracles.
🤔Tell me by what POWER Yeshua(Jesus) raised LAZARUS from the DEAD, and the Daughter of the ruler of the pharisees, and the old widow only Son. both back to LIFE.😄 Elijah pray to the LORD 4 the child. 1st Kings 17:22,23. Elisha pray to the LORD 4 the child. 2nd Kings 4:6 JESUS(Yeshua Hamashiach) said to the dead LAZARUS in the tomb. "Lazarus come out" John 11:39,43. JESUS said to the Widows only Son in the coffin. "Young man, I say unto thee, Arise" Luke 7:12-15. JESUS said to the Ruler dead Daughter. "Maid,Arise" Luke 8:49-56. REPENT of your sin, Call upon the LORD GOD(YHWH), BELIEVE Jesus the Messiah that he SENT and he will be merciful to your Soul. John 3:16. YESHUA(JESUS)HAMASHIACH, The Son of David, the Son of Abraham, The Son of God. Matthew 1:1/Proverbs 30:4. Isaiah 11:1, 10. Genesis 18:18.
@@sauloaraujo5030 Same power that Superman flies faster than a speeding bullet. Meaning it is completely fictitious. A fabrication written by arrogant and ignorant men. Which would be ok by me if that was the limit of the nonsense. But some believers, some with good intent and some with bad intent deliberately cause suffering and harm inspired by the nonsense of religion.
The unholy spirit fell on many doesn't mean they were not Sinners we all Sinners it's what happens when we walk away from our sins and give them to Alpha then u receive the eyes of God
Your statement takes faith . You cannot prove the Holy Bible is not true . That is just your opinion . Your belief requires faith just as my belief being a Christian and trusting Jesus requires faith . As a Christian and knowing what the Holy Bible says about mans sinful heart . Would you not rather trust Jesus and have faith in Jesus and his word . Then mans opinion . Jesus loves you .
@@MR.CHRISTIAN-m1i life is fact, not fiction, fiction requires faith. We have a conscience, meaning we must listen to it and not be caught up in stories and European comic books, you might as well worship Superman, since Jesus used to be Zeus of the cult in Crete till the Greeks brought it to Afrika. Listen to your conscience if you have one.
@@eastafrika728 John 20:29 Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed . Jesus disciple Doubting Thomas would not believe until he touched Jesus nailed scarred hands which he did . Then Jesus said that . I have Faith in Jesus . Man will say anything to justify his sin . Man has a sinful heart . No one can force you to believe but I can pray for you that the Holy Spirit would convict your heart to the truth . That truth is the Lord Jesus Christ . Have a great day nice chatting .
@@MR.CHRISTIAN-m1i so you are now quoting a European comic book. I am Afrikan, we have a human conscience, I know myself, you don't if you follow that stupidity. We were created by the black woman as universal consciousness. Jesus and that garbage bible is beneath me Jesus and Yahweh bow to me!
Most people think Christianity started with Jesus. But they never think of all the chance events that preceded the birth of Jesus. For example, King David spotted Bath-sheba having a bath. She was the wife of Uriah (Urias). If he hadn't lusted after her, Jesus would never have been born (Matthew 1:6).
@@Yohannson the quran says god sent angel jibril to announce the good news to mary and her prayers is answered.she will be given a child.'whenever god decrees a matter he just says be and it is' Theres no such thing as the angel is the father or god biological son. God just says 'kun faya kun'='be and it is'
Derek, I was just thinking. You are more of a Monday morning quarterback always agreeing with your guest after the fact. Have you any interviewed anyone that opposes your guest, specifically someone who opposes Bart Ehrman? It could be on any subject.
You know what? It's actually easy to establish the historicity of fantastic events such as a virginal birth or a physical, bodily resurrection if Jesus of Nazareth (as portrayed in the canonical Christian gospels) was not even an historical person in the first place. The said events become historically true in a perfectly VACUOUS sense. Indeed, there is a strong body of scholarship which supports the view that Jesus was a mythical (i.e. non-historical) figure -- just like Moses.
Also cool to note that Mary was told in the 6th month of the Hebrew Calendar that she was preggo. The 6th month magically falls under the Virgo\Virgin Zodiac sign. John the Baptist was listed as 6 months older which puts John under the Aquarius Zodiac. Aquarius is interestingly the Water Bearer. They did a great job composing this literature.
That would place his birth April or May not December.
The sixth month the angel referenced was that Mary's cousin Elizabeth was in her sixth month of pregnancy. The sixth month of the Jewish calendar is Adar and corresponds with Gregorian calendars the months of February and March. Virgo is the 9th month September.
I misspoke there is a difference between the Jewish calendar and the Hebrew calendar, and you are right the sixth month of the Hebrew year is August-September. But the sixth month referenced by the angel was Elizabeths pregnancy.
@@emilywyatt9340ironic isn't it? The December date and story had more to do with the European pagans date of Winter Solstice celebrations and the Greco-Roman wild festival called Saturnalia which took place on the dates we now call "Christmas". I don't recall why they did it that way, but yes, the birth would have taken place more likely in spring around Spring Equinox, or in the Fall, around Autumn Equinox.
@@juanitaramsey6648the first month of the mosiac calendar in our calendar is April so to September is 6 months.
When he said he fights for the seperation of church and state, I knew I would like this guy!
Why is killing Jesus such a bad thing when the Jesus dying on the cross is the bases of Christianty. If Jesus had died of old age where would this religion be?
There’s a site in Srinagar, India that’s the burial of a holy man from the “west”, who had wounds in his feet and hands….
We never learn any of this in church. Why does churches have teachings(bible study) 3 times a week if they are going to lie? I always questioned these stories.
Actually, there are liberal/progressive churches that do indeed teach things of this nature. In my particular denomination (Unitarian-Universalist) such teachings/beliefs are common, including with the clergy.
Jesus said give Ceaser his taxes and give to God Almighty Almighty what is due to Him. This guy is very ignorant and he biased and probably he doesn't even believe in God.
He talks as if he was there 2000 years ago and what he is saying is mear speculation and his own self invented ideas.
Look at the 2.5 billion Christians and just beleive it through faith and Jesus said faith as small as the mustard seed is enough to accept God Almighty and Jesus.
Nobody is going to gain anything by your discourse and Christianity is full blown and no one is going to beleive you for Christianity is spread with help of the Holy Sprit.
Remember nothing iis impossible to God Almighty.
You are a AntiChrist and and people like you were mentioned 2000 years ago by John.
Nothing New!!!!
@@mathanmathai Were you there 2000 yrs ago to say it's true? Nope!
🤔Tell me by what POWER Yeshua(Jesus) raised LAZARUS from the DEAD, and the Daughter of the ruler of the pharisees, and the old widow only Son. both back to LIFE.
Elijah pray to the LORD 4 the child.
1st Kings 17:22,23.
Elisha pray to the LORD 4 the child.
2nd Kings 4:6
JESUS(Yeshua Hamashiach) said to the dead LAZARUS in the tomb. "Lazarus come out" John 11:39,43.
JESUS said to the old Widows only Son in the coffin. "Young man, I say unto thee, Arise" Luke 7:12-15.
JESUS said to the Ruler of the synagogue dead Daughter. "Maid, Arise" Luke 8:49-56.
REPENT of your sin, Call upon the LORD GOD(YHWH), BELIEVE Jesus the Messiah that he SENT and he will be merciful to your Soul. John 3:16/Isaiah 53.
YESHUA(JESUS)HAMASHIACH,
The Son of DAVID, the Son of ABRAHAM, The Son of GOD.
Matthew 1:1/Proverbs 30:4.
Isaiah 11:1, 10.
Genesis 18:18.
@@mathanmathai he's fullfilling prophesy, faithless wicked and perverse generation.
What is fascinating is how increasingly the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures are being studied as artifacts of a by-gone time. So much of both scriptures have very little, if anything, that is relatable to the present day. And so much of Paul's writings deal with theological disputes that have virtually no bearing on or relevance to 21st Century life. Even Bible studies that begin with enthusiasm and prayers for understanding and discernment end in boredom and bewilderment, with the participants revving up interest in arcane arguments and a lot of First Century misinformation and religious propaganda that falls flat from exposure to critical thinking ... and demonstrating that misspent religious passion is simply misspent religious passion, regardless the century or the religion. You do an amazing job, Derek, getting this much needed information out to believers and non-believers alike. Keep up he good work.
Even before the Greeks the Egyptians had already stated that their pharaohs were sons of god immaculately conceived. Two Pharaohs even have it in stone in their temples.
You have a dime a dozen son of gods in antiquity. Alexander the Great son of a god, Ceasar related to the goddess Venus, Hercules son of a god and so on.
KMT (Egypt) is mentioned 242 times in Genesis and Exodus alone... around 400 times in the "old testament". If Abraham existed, and the Bible says he did not Hebrews, a very generous timeline would be circa 1680 bce. Every Christian concepts is codified in African Kemetic spiritual texts circa 3000 bce. Yet, European scholars and researchers act as though Greeks & Persians created the concepts. This Eurocentric cultural-ethnic-racial bias contaminates and distorts every aspect of theological study.
Eurocentric minds also ignore the Diadochi Wars from 322-281 bce that serve as the catalyst for development of Jewish and Persian folklore.
So, even in these type of videos, a non-European must sort through the bias to get to the real story. We must sort through perpetual bias. Very frustrating.
@@TorianTammas But the only one that came to pay for your sin debt with his innocent holy blood is JESUS, and He rose from the dead, and reigns forever. And if you call on Him, He makes house calls.
@@johndoney2665 I sm sorry, but crucifiction is a death without blood spill. Not to mention that the execution of another criminal changes nothing. It is estimated that up to 100.000 jews were crucified in the first century. So it was pretty ordinary to end on the cross because Romans considered one s rebel against Rome.
@@TorianTammas 100,000 in a century? That's a thousand a year! About 20 a week. Three a day ... Was everyone, then, a rebel against Rome?
Immaculate conception is not the virgin birth. It is a doctrine by the RCC which says Mary was also free of original sin.
Exactly...This person does not even know that😂
Yes... true
Since the Immaculate Conception isn't reported anywhere in the Bible, on the Feast of the Immaculate Conception, a gospel reading describing the virgin birth is used in the Catholic mass. This confuses many Catholics into thinking the Immaculate Conception and the virgin birth are the same thing.
If anyone wants to quickly confirm what Bill Zuersher says about the Immaculate Conception: 46:36.
Exactly. Derek's guest covers that.
You can prove the church wrong on the “virgin birth” forcing them to acknowledge it’s false, yet they will still teach it to be true. You can prove the resurrection false, and they’ll still teach it as well. They know much of it is lies, but they need Christians to believe it’s true. The more educated our society has become, it’s shocking that people still cling to obviously false claims from the Bible. The Abrahamic religions are well beyond their expiration dates.
U cannot "prove"virgin birth wrong and resurrection false.
@@lilydragonfly4789 The Quran mentions Mary was raped by a soldier !
@@lilydragonfly4789 You can prove it to yourself by reading Isaiah 7 in full context, its not a messianic prophecy at all. Also the word Almah should be rendered young woman, not virgin.
You can prove the resurrection wrong excuse me?
@@michaelmacias8 It is a fantasy of desillusionist followers of a false dead messiah. The members of his group could not accept his death and so they made up that he will return.We have people who see their dead relatives in dreams or even think they are awake. It us a simple "can't cope with the reality of death". We have people who imagined to gave seen Elvis after his death, but they did not make a religion out of their inability to accept the reality. This is the simplest explanation.
Bill Zuersher is awesome. I just finished his book and it's excellent, start to finish.
Derek - many thanks for a stimulating and thoughtful channel! Nary a dud so far, and I've watched many. My own take on all this is as an ex-Catholic kid who no longer believes in any kind of supernatural. But the cultural/historical perspectives, is fascinating. You're a great inteviewer - informed, kind, but not afaid of raising contradictory points.
Someone who didn't exist can be born however the writers want it to be presented
FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACTS
He did and does exist the evidence is the Comforter His Holy Spirit
If funny because you can’t prove many historical figures like Sun Tzu existed yet you choose to doubt god 😂. You can’t even prove the earth isn’t flat without referencing someone else’s findings. Your knowledge is a farce.
I just read,
"Our Sun God or Christianity Before Christ."
Awesome book!!
"Danae was impregnated by Zues via a golden shower." Wow, so you're telling me Zeus was into watersports? Kinky!
The Holy Spirit "coming upon Mary and the power of the Most High overshadowing her" sounds suspiciously like the story of Danae.
Truly God has hidden from the eye's of the world what the true meaning of the word alma ( virgin) used in the bible, a classic example coming from people that don't study the bible that combine the the two words virginity and virgin and believing they mean the same thing, then to make matters worse, they don't truly know what a miracle is, then attribute something that happens daily around the world as being a miracle. No facts at all in this video, only assumptions, we can today prove what a alma=virgin is, just as the parents of her could do in their day however it's impossible to prove whether a young woman has virginity or not and for that matter a woman of any age, a total lack of knowledge concerning nature and what it is and what it's not
😂😂😂😂😂 thats how it started 💧🌊
@@warren6790 Truly you believe whatever you want to, without factual support of any kind.
Immaculate "Deception" lol
Great guest! Will snag his book.
And puh-leeze--get him back again! Mahalo! 🤙
An early medieval Catholic theologian - I thing Albertus the Great or Alcuin - consulted with rabbis and concluded that this passage was not a prophecy of Jesus.
In much of Latin America, Catholicism has a strong popular vein and has gotten syncretized with parts of Native and African religions. Mary is not one, but hundreds, each named for one of her virtues or an event in her mythic life. Her images (idols) have been found miraculously all over, in a tree, a river, etc. She is worshiped as much or more than Jesus, because of her power in intercession as the Mother of God. The devout often identify with one of her apparitions or one of hundreds of saints, said to intercede as well. Children get named for a favorite version of Mary or saint. There is at least one male and one female saint for each day of the calendar.
Hey man,Jesus Christ lived after he was crucified,which means there was no life sacrificed,he would have had to remain dead,in order to be a sacrifice.He didn't stay dead,no life was sacrificed.
@@shinobi-no-bueno That only works in western theories of atonement where God kills Jesus as a sacrifice. That isn’t Christian.
This programs concept of the Jesus story is among the best I have heard, and falls heavily within the boundaries of my own thoughts on the subject and, acceptance of the idea that He is an Historical figure taken out of context and obviously completely out of the possibility of reality.
The Pauline Christian movement and eventually Christian Church used the opportunity of the presence of Jesus and the Jesus movement to build a new Religion that is in line with the other Religions, pagan mostly with some form of the Hebrew Religious beliefs mixed in.
Bless you both for this enlightening program.
I don't believe that christ existed at ALL. I think he was probably an amalgam of people that were around circa this time. no EVIDENCE supports this character's existence. ''experts'' opinions are nothing but hearsay. which anyone with a brain realizes does not constitute real evidence. christianity is the same wish-thinking and subsequent game of telephone that all religions are.
Subs are moving up.... well deserved Derek
I could swear I left a comment about recommending this channel! Anyway, I almost always do,, whenever religious discussions come up in threads online. Im sure its popularity is going to accelerate as well,, at some point as the cumulative effect of the content builds up over time and people share it around more and more/
@@InterestedInDansk you are conflating conversion with adoption. Simply said, one cannot be adopted into a tribe. Tribal affiliation is paternal. If a Kohen (priest) adopts a child, he or she does not become a priest.
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@@InterestedInDansk thanks for all that but I was just pointing out that y’all interpret our Hebrew Scriptures differently and we are not obliged to accept this interpretations
🤔Tell me by what POWER Yeshua(Jesus) raised LAZARUS from the DEAD, and the Daughter of the ruler of the pharisees, and the old widow only Son. both back to LIFE.😄
Elijah pray to the LORD 4 the child.
1st Kings 17:22,23.
Elisha pray to the LORD 4 the child.
2nd Kings 4:6
JESUS(Yeshua Hamashiach) said to the dead LAZARUS in the tomb. "Lazarus come out" John 11:39,43.
JESUS said to the Widows only Son in the coffin. "Young man, I say unto thee, Arise" Luke 7:12-15.
JESUS said to the Ruler dead Daughter. "Maid,Arise" Luke 8:49-56.
REPENT of your sin, Call upon the LORD GOD(YHWH), BELIEVE Jesus the Messiah that he SENT and he will be merciful to your Soul. John 3:16.
YESHUA(JESUS)HAMASHIACH,
The Son of David, the Son of Abraham, The Son of God.
Matthew 1:1/Proverbs 30:4.
Isaiah 11:1, 10.
Genesis 18:18.
I love this. I know it goes against what many people believe to be true. The Bible is inspired. Many points Christians can't explain. I'll say this clear, logical explanation of the Bible's history will do Christianity a lot of good for our national rebirth. Keep going. I'm a Unificationist. I'm waiting to see how you progress along your explanations. In general, I've seen few Christians seriously analyze religion as I'm hearing here. We need more clear talk. Please. Thank you.
I am watching this on Christmas Eve, 2023. Very ironic. It sucks because it blows the Nativity and Christmas itself to pieces, right when I'm getting ready to sorta kinda "celebrate " with my little family. Lucky for me, I have known about most of this for years. Very excellent presentation, I must say.
Me too, my catholic husband went on a condescending trip again watching that Dr Taylor Marshal. This just calmed me down.
Big fan of Bill. I hope he gets more exposure.
2023 and people still believe in fairytale virgin births.😮
The whole Bible - they made it all up as they went!
Eish sad only learning now
Wow, Bill Zuersher. I absolutely love his book, Seeing Through Christianity. I highly recommend it. Excellent.
I just bought it, can’t wait to get into it.
@@TrisjensChronicles1203 I think you’re really gonna like it. I couldn’t put it down. So informative, will completely arm you to fight all the bullshit that Christians love to talk about.
@@mnamhie That’s what I want to be armed with also. I saw a video he did recently that broke it all down from Judaism to Christianity and it was amazing. That’s what made me want his book. Very good teacher.
Great, the speaker has resolved the controversy that occurred..
The birth of Jesus was simply done through artificial insemination. Mary could still have been virgin, and was inseminated. After all, there have been cases where semen had passed through the vagina, and fertilized an egg. Artificial insemination in those times was of course unknown. So, there have to have been a more technological advanced beings who might have been extraterrestrials who performed this procedure. A flying ship with a strong reflecting light might have been though of the Star of Bethlehem. A couple of beings telling Joseph that Mary was going to have a child, might have been though of been celestial angels. Jesus might have been part human from Mary, and part extraterrestrial father, or a God for them. Not disputing that there is no God, just in this instance these beings might not have been the real Gods. Humanity had created many religions and fight each other for them. Modern people marvel that without advanced technology, many incredible things were done in antiquity. Beings doing things using advanced technology must have been though of been Gods.
I'm Spanish, and as you know, Catholicism is supreme here. One interesting thing, is I only learned about Jesus brother Jacob (Santiago in spanish, James in english) from the internet when i was 20+. Im not claiming they hide it or anything, but I even went several times to alleged tomb in Santiago de Compostela. But I always remember ppl referring to him as "the apostle Santiago", and never the brother of Jesus. I guess that's another way to "deal" with the virginity stuff
Isn't Jacob "Jacobo" in Spanish?
Ya, the four Gospels definitely don't agree on when Jesus was born. Matthew has Jesus being born on 4 BCE while Luke has Jesus being born on 6 CE.
King Herod died in 4 BCE - but the gospel of ‘Matthew’ (whoever he was...) merely places the birth of ‘Jesus’ during the ‘reign of King Herod’ (31 BCE - 4 BCE)...interestingly (according to Iranaeus who got the story from the 80 year old Polycarp of Smyrna who got it from the 94-year Old John the Elder when Polycarp was 17 years old) in the Gospel of ‘John’ makes a coded reference to Jesus’ birth in 12 BCE (‘46 years was this temple in the rebuilding & you will destroy it & rebuild it in 3 days? ‘But he spoke of the ‘temple’ of his Body...’ which would place the birth of ‘Jesus’ c. 12 BCE when Herod’s 2nd Temple new Foundation was being laid (which coincided with the appearance of Halley’s Comet - Star of Bethlehem ?!!)
This is how the two dates can be reconciled:
Josephus' Wars of the Jews, Book 1 Chapter 33 para 2: "...the one Judas, the son of Sepphoris..."
Wars Book 2 Chapter 4 para 2: "In Sepphoris also, a city of Galilee, there was one Judas..."
Wars Book 2 Chapter 8 para 1: "...a certain Galilean, whose name was Judas, prevailed with his countrymen to revolt..."
The first Judas opposed Herod just before his death, while the second Judas is connected to the first Judas by the name "Sepphoris" and to the third Judas by the name "Galilee", and finally the third Judas is credited with the founding of a fourth sect of Judaism around the time of the "census". Josephus fails to name this fourth sect when it is introduced, but later it is linked to the term "zealots" and thus few have been willing to identify this fourth sect with Christianity. Actually, this forth sect was a form of Gnosticism which was tamed into submission to become Christian Gnosticism. (The name "Judas" was intended to suggest the Hebrew word "yada" which means "to know", while the story of the transformation into Christian Gnosticism is told through Saul's/Paul's conversion on the Road to Damascus.) There was really only one Judas, but Josephus could not openly explain how this Judas nearly destroyed Judaism by exposing the truth about religious allegory, so he broke the story into three parts and fed it to his readers that way. The "tax collecting" opposed by the third Judas was simply a metaphor for "censorship". It is also interesting to note that Josephus mentions all three of these Judases in his Antiquities, but the chain is broken at both ends by changing "Sepphoris" to "Saripheus" and "Galilean" to "Gaulonite". This serves to emphasize the notion that something deliberate was intended in the way these Judases were presented. To put it another way, these apparent "contradictions" made by Josephus are chronologically in the same location as the "contradictions" made by the authors of Matthew and Luke.
@@warrensmith8161 - ‘Judas’ is the same name as ‘Theudas’ & Yehudah / Judah & merely means ‘joining of tribelets (yad (=Hand /yahad (=joining of hands, assembly, church) & Yehudah = ‘joining of assemblies’) NB the name Yehudah Judah was given to the hotchpotch of southern Yisroelite / Canaanite tribelets & was NOT listed as one of the 11 tribelets in the Song of Deborah in Judges chapter 6... Judas / Theudas / Yehudah was a very common name given to Jewish males after the time of John Hyrcanus (c. 107 BCE) and it is easy to confuse them-three of Jesus’ own disciples were called Judas (‘Judas the son of Shimeon, Ish-Kerya (‘the bursar’) & Judas the son of Yakkov the Levite aka Thaddeus’ and Judas ‘Didymos Thomas’ the ‘twin’ I.e. the close lookalike body-double & blood brother of ‘Jesus’ -and the Galileans revolted under yet another ‘Judas’ in BCE 4 when Palestine as a whole was divided up by Rome at the death of the last King (Herod) and the territory we broken up into 4 provinces under the Syrian Legate & govern’d by 4 Tetrarchs; Judaea was formerly annexed (and therefore taxable as a ‘province’) in AD6 when ‘Cyrenius was Governor of Syria...so ‘Luke’ (whoever he was...) got the date wrong (10 years AFTER the death of Herod); ‘Matthew’ (whoever he was...) claim’d that ‘ho Iesous’ was born during the reign of Herod the Great (BCE 31-4BCE); John’s Gospel (whoever he was....l) encoded a date c. 12 BCE in 2:21 (‘40 & 6 years was this Temple in the rebuilding and you think you can destroy it & rebuild it in 3 days?!’ ‘But he spake of the Temple of his Body’ c. 34 CE which would make ‘Jesus’ 48 years old when he was executed for arm’d sedition against Rome during Pesach in 36 CE, the 100th Anniversary of Pompey’s troops invasion of Judaea in 63 BCE (‘The times of the Gentiles are over-these Be now the Days of Vengeance of our clan god-repent (=‘shuvah’ = ‘return to the Torah & Testimony of YHWH = protoIsaiah 30:15ff) and believe in the Good News of the Kingdom of David...’ Messianic fervor was at its height during the ministry of ‘Iesous’ to reinstate the Daviddic kingdom (in exile since BCE 587 with the Babylonian Exile) and overthrow both the Romans & their ‘cowering-jackals’ the ‘Tzadukkim’ (Sons of Zadok aka Saduccees) who had assum’d the dual title of ‘priests & kings’ using a command in Exodus as their pretext: ‘Thou shalt be unto me a Kingdom of Priests, an Holy Nation..’ this should be enough to shew the levels of political complexity of the times reflected in much of the Dead Sea Scroll corpus which was locked up in their caves when Nero’s troops finally invaded the tiny kingdom & put an end to all the simultaneous rebellions during the 100 year Anniversary of the Roman Occupation of Judaea...
@@donaldgoodell7675 I follow the notion presented in Plato's Cratylus that there is a "correctness" to names and part of this correctness is determined by the context in which the name appears. Since the allegory informs me that Judas was the true founder of Gnosticism, I can only conclude that the correct intended meaning was based on the Hebrew word "yada". This is not to say that similar sounding names could not also be associated with "yada", but an additional element of context might identify them as a different type of Judas. For example, Judas Maccabee could be a "hero" because the name "Maccabee" was intended to refer to the Hebrew word "machabe" which means "a hiding place" which indicates that this Judas refused to share his knowledge.
In allegory, actual dates and places are sacrificed to serve as metaphors so attempting to get all the pieces to fit together based on a literal reading is futile.
My view on the name "Thomas" is that it was intended to represent the name "Tammuz" and this is confirmed by the fact that "Didymus" is a near anagram of the name "Dumuzid" (vs Dumysid) which was a Sumerian name of the god Tammuz. Since Tammuz shared a number of similarities with Christ, it is only natural that he should also be presented literally as a "twin".
As for the correctness of the name "Cratylus", I associate it with the Latin word "cratalis" which is frequently included in the etymology of the word "grail".
@@HistoryandReviews - yes, correct, that is his age (46) at the time of the story - nearly 2 years before his execution for arm’d sedition against Rome in 36 CE at age 48 (as Iranaeus was told by Polycarp who was told by John The Elder (possibly one of the 70 apostles of the 3rd gospel ‘according to Luke’ -whoever he was...)-as you rightly point out, ‘Thou art not yet 50 years old and yet Thou hast seen our father Avraham ?’
" From a talk by Osho
There are a few points to be understood. One: Jesus can be born only out of a virgin woman. But remember, virginity has nothing to do with celibacy -- not, at least, for me. Virginity is something immensely different. Don't reduce it to sex.
Sex can be virgin, and celibacy may not be virgin. Things are very complicated. If a man is celibate and thinks constantly of sex, he is not virgin. On the other hand, if a man makes love to a woman, or the woman makes love to a man, and there is no thought of sex -- no sexuality in the head, no cerebral sex -- it is virgin. Virgin means pure. Virgin means uncontaminated. Virgin means spontaneous. Virgin means simple, innocent.
Now, sex is not the problem. Sexuality is the problem. There are people who are continuously thinking of sex. And the more you try to enforce some celibacy on yourself -- you become a nun or a monk -- the more you think of sex. In fact, then you don't think about anything else, you only think of sex because that is your starved part. It takes revenge, it becomes very aggressive. It comes again and again, bubbles up, surfaces in the head. And you go on doing prayer to keep it repressed, and you go on doing this and that -- a thousand and one things. But whenever there is rest, it is there. You go to sleep and it is there. It becomes your dream, it becomes your fantasy. If you repress it too much, then it starts coming in different symbols. They may not be sexual on the surface but deep down they are sexual.
Sexuality means that sex has entered into the head, but why has sex entered into the head in the first place? It enters into the head if you repress it. Anything repressed enters into the head. Try for three days: go on a fast, and food will enter into the head. For seven days don't take a bath... I am not talking about hippies. If you are a hippy, then this won't do. For seven days don't take a bath, and that will enter in your head. For three, four days don't sleep, and that will enter in your head. And then you will be continuously thinking of sleep, sleep will be continuously coming and you will be yawning. Whatsoever is starved enters into the head. And when something enters into the head your whole being becomes polluted with it.
By 'virginity', I mean that Mary must have been in a very very non-sexual state. She must have been a very innocent woman. She must not have been thinking about sex; she must have made love, but that love was innocent. There was no idea in it: mind was not interfering. It was completely uncontaminated by the mind, uninterfered with by the mind. That's what we in Tantra say real love is.
You meet a woman, you don't think about sex at all. Only pathological people think about sex, healthy people don't think about sex. There is no need. You enjoy the beauty of the woman -- her face, her eyes, her proportion -- you are simply thrilled by her being. There is no idea to do anything to her, there is no idea to exploit, there is no idea to possess. You are immensely interested, but very innocently. There is no planning in your mind, there is no future, then it is a virgin relationship. One day love can happen. One day listening to music, dancing together, love can possess you both: you can make love to each together. But even while making love, there is no idea -- there is no mind in it. It is innocent of mind, then it is a virgin relationship.
If you ask me, then this is what I mean by 'virgin'. Jesus cannot be born in the way Christians say -- that is absurd, stupid. But why do they say that he was born out of a virgin mother? They are too obsessed with sex, and to them it seems degrading that Jesus should come out of sex, out of an ordinary love relationship. That looks very very disturbing to them... and coming through the ordinary passage of sex? No, that is not possible. If Jesus can come through sex, then how will they condemn sex? Then how will they tell their nuns and their monks 'Don't ever go into sex. It is ugly, it is the greatest sin there is!'? (But ) if Jesus himself enters into the world through natural love, it will be difficult to condemn."
That's terrible to think an all powerful God would make a 13 year old child pregnant and have a baby. Or to think that a man made this stuff up like it's something wonderful and passed it off as the word and will of God. Just terrible.
I believe it was Richard Carrier who addressed the problem of Jesus’ brothers/siblings by explaining that members of a congregation often call eachother brother and sister. So the brothers (and sisters) of Jesus are actually the followers, not siblings.
Yes, but I believe you are referring to the description in Paul's letters of his meeting with James, "the brother of the lord." That is often viewed as the best evidence of a historical Jesus. (IMO this is the best and ONLY real possible evidence of a historical Jesus) Carrier uses the explanation you mentioned of what Paul might have meant by that. However, the presenter is referring to the Gospels (I forget which one, maybe Matthew) where Jesus goes to his hometown and gets up in front of the synagogue and implies that he is the messiah. In return he receives vitriol and skepticism from the congregation and they say, we've known you since you grew up and we even know your brothers (I think they name several of them) and sisters. Apparently, they didn't get to see the Nativity. So this reference seems to be about biological siblings. The Catholic church has said these were his step siblings through Joseph, though that assertion is not in the Bible.
@josh darius If I am wrong then please enlighten us with your knowledge and explain how so.
It's not stated as such, so the argument can go either was way
The catholic church is strong to their faith because they are not worshipping a God that doesn't communicate with them. There are may people that are walking in this earth today that already saw Jesus and Mary. It so hard for them to deny their existence, especially if you experience their power. I experience it myself.
The sun is born of. Virgin on Christmas Day because before sunrise the constellation Virgo rises and is there for the birth of the new sun following the three day solstice when the sun literally stands still (playing dead) in the Southern Hemisphere near the southern cross. So it was said that he was born of a virgin and died on a cross. And three stars in Orion’s Belt called three kings point to the sunrise on Christmas Day. The sun also walks on water turns water into wine and wears a crown of thorns ! Think sun rays!
All great leaders have virgin births even if their mothers had children before theirs. A virgin birth in the past meant something like EXCEPTIONAL .
Yes Derek! Bill is on !!!
I appreciate this guest who came well prepared. Very interesting presentation
Lord he thought he'd make a man
Dem bones gonna rise again
Took a little water, took a little sand
Dem bones goona rise again ....
My sister sang that to me after she came back from Girl Scout Camp.... That is probably how a lot of people know about that origin story from the Bible.
The dogma of the immaculate conception says that Mary was redeemed before all other people. An example that in principle every person has access to the kingdom of heaven even before the Savior was born. The dogma of the bodily acceptance of Mary into heaven is based on the same logic . Translated: Because Mary is redeemed and in heaven, all people have the chance to go the same way after their death. For this to be possible, God must exist. For all the world to recognize this, he must be visible. He is born as a human being. Many have not recognized him. This is what the apostle Paul says: If Jesus is not God incarnate, then there is no afterlife for anyone and God does not exist either.
I'm sorry but Paul never says that. He says if Jesus hasn't been raised from the dead then our faith is in vain. Nothing about whether or not he is God incarnate. An idea he never believed in or preached anyways, neither did any of the other New Testament authors.
As far as Jesus’s conception being non-sexual, Muslim apologists would dispute this, like the late Ahmed Deedat, quoting Luke 1:35: "The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee, and that which is to be born shall be called the Son of God." Deedat said that this language is "of the Earth, Earthy" and that the language of the Qu'ran account, "God said 'Be' and it is!", is much more in line with how God would beget someone to be born of a virgin. And then he asked members of the audience, "Which would you rather teach your daughter, the Lukan version or the Islamic version?" (1985 Ahmed Deddat debate with Xian apologists in Baton Rouge, it's on UA-cam)
"You can't make this stuff up...." that's literally what they did, dude. You know that.
The immaculate concept/conception is definitely found in the Gnostic compendiums. It describes that the "thrice male virgin source produced auto genes which are immaculately conceived".
Fascinating presentation, love the use of artwork to illustrate the point. Thank you! Please have This guest on again.
Just to clarify...the Immaculate Conception doesn't have to do with the conception of Jesus. The Immaculate Conception is the idea that Mary was conceived without the stain of the original sin
Why don't virgins give birth to prophets anymore?
i do not know why you bother the whole story is a load of bollox 🤦♂️
Being naked in the Garden doesn't mean that they were not wearing clothes. Being naked means they felt vulnerable because of their authenticity. Putting their clothes back on is like wearing a mask, hiding their authenticity, so that they could fit in or easily.
Eating the fruit means allowing your judgment to get under your skin. Judgment is the fruit produced by the knowledge of Good and Evil, the trees namesake. Forgiveness, apology, or humility is spitting the fruit up. Grace is leaving it on the tree, reserving judgment or at least are attachment to it. The church and even the Bible would have you believe that the original sin had to do with obedience but it actually had nothing to do with obedience. It had everything to do with emotional intelligence.
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If the fulfilment of the virgin-birth prophecy in the Gospel of Matthew is correct, then christianity ought to have a record of two virgin- birth narratives. The first one would have happened in Isaiah's time, and the second one would have occured at the birth of Jesus. The original prophecy in lsaiah 7 was given and fulfilled by God to comfort the king of Judah, at that time. While the second so-called virgin-birth prophecy, in the New Testament, was supposed to have been given to Mary and fulfilled some seven hundred years later after the fulfilment of the original prophecy of lsaiah.
Luke took the virgin birth story from the Mahabharata - Indian scripture 2300BC
"The sage Durvasa had blessed Kunti, daughter of King Kunti Bhog, with a boon. He initiated her into a unique mantra, through which she could invoke any divine being to provide her with a son. Kunti conceived her first son, Karna, from Surya, the Sun God, as a virgin, and had to abandon him". ....also the story of Moses floating down the river in a basket was also taken from this same story.
The Magi were priests of Zoroaster and astrologers. So the "star" could have been an astrological calculation that indicated a time and place for the birth of a savior. Not that I believe the story, just saying.
I've read in several places where the "star" was actually the conjunction of a few large planets, thus making it look like one huge star. I think it was Jupiter (king), Venus (virgin queen), and something else. Maybe Saturn. The astrologer magi (wise men) would have known far in advance when this conjunction would have happened ("followed" the "star"...on their maps), and where it would be fully seen (somewhere in Israel). The conjunction probably historically occurred, and the concepts those planets represent could have created this exact nativity story to surround it.
Clarity: The Immaculate Conception has nothing to do with the Vuirgin Birth. Immaculate Conception is not about the birth of Jesus. It is about Mary's conception - conceived without original sin, if believe in orginal sin in the western church's notion of it. In the Eastern church people on not born with the guilt of original sin. The term used is the sin of Adam and Eve because only Adam and Eve are guilty of that sin. All of humanity bears the consequences of that sin but not the guilt. So everyone in that sense is conceived without original sin.
Great guest again. Well done. Great insight.
“The Power of the Holy Spirit is gonna come on her.” Nice
She could have become pregnant with an idea 💡
Conceive-concept…..
The Holy Spirit entering through Mary’s ear could have been symbolic to a penetration of the mind, what information have you heard.
A person’s heart is moved or they change what they believe through information or the renewing of their mind.
In Matthew 1:8, Mary becomes pregnant with a child who has the Holy Ghost. (Holy- The whole entire professed formation / Ghost-The principal of life, soul,spirit.)
Jesus knew the the whole entire professed formation of life, soul, spirit. Jesus was a genius. Or Mary was a Gnostic.
I came to the same conclusion that Mary was possibly impregnated by a soldier or someone very very high in ranking just by reading information. I am an uneducated single mother who fell in love with Jesus and decided to seek him out. I couldn’t believe what I was finding……
Thank you for this content!
The so called Immaculate Conception" refers to the conception of Mary, not Jesus. Although apparently no sex involved in Jesus' conception either but it is a very common mistake to attribute the term Immaculate Conception to Jesus.
It's interesting that most christians don't know this
More to the point , why was the age of Mary always kept hidden ?
Well for those who want to know she was 14 years old when she gave birth , this is the reality of this truly awful vile and disgusting story .
Whats your point ?
Well I would have thought it's pretty clear as I have explained .
You see there's an entire story , more like saga but we've only been told the good bits .
The bits they've left out are just unpalatable , for example Mary was 14 years of age and Joseph was 50 years of age ,
Let's stop here because I live for the day when religious belief will be classified as a form of mental illness , insanity .
Dont know what youre on about.it says she was 11 when she got pregnant and marry joseph who was over 85+ years
Whatever the exact figures are the reality is 99% of so called Christians are totally unaware of this because it comes across as negative .
And this goes for so many stories in the bible that were omitted to make them more palatable .
🤔Tell me by what POWER Yeshua(Jesus) raised LAZARUS from the DEAD, and the Daughter of the ruler of the pharisees, and the old widow only Son. both back to LIFE.😄
Elijah pray to the LORD 4 the child.
1st Kings 17:22,23.
Elisha pray to the LORD 4 the child.
2nd Kings 4:6
JESUS(Yeshua Hamashiach) said to the dead LAZARUS in the tomb. "Lazarus come out" John 11:39,43.
JESUS said to the Widows only Son in the coffin. "Young man, I say unto thee, Arise" Luke 7:12-15.
JESUS said to the Ruler dead Daughter. "Maid,Arise" Luke 8:49-56.
REPENT of your sin, Call upon the LORD GOD(YHWH), BELIEVE Jesus the Messiah that he SENT and he will be merciful to your Soul. John 3:16.
YESHUA(JESUS)HAMASHIACH,
The Son of David, the Son of Abraham, The Son of God.
Matthew 1:1/Proverbs 30:4.
Isaiah 11:1, 10.
Genesis 18:18.
Since Derek, in his introduction, used the term "Immaculate Conception" to refer to the Virgin Birth, just to set the record straight, the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception has nothing whatsoever to do with the Virgin Birth or with Mary not having sexual relations with any man. The Dogma of the Immaculate Conception holds that Mary was born without Original Sin, unlike the rest of the human race. This is an entirely Roman Catholic teaching-not accepted by Protestant Christianity-and it is unrelated to Mary's sexual behaviour, her virginity, or the manner in which Jesus of Nazareth was conceived.
The reason that the Roman Catholic church came up with this dogma is that in its understanding of Original Sin, the sin of Adam in inherited through birth (today we might say it is passed on genetically). Parents inherit the guilt of Adam and Eve's sin from their parents, and they in turn pass it on to their children biologically. This is why infant baptism was instituted: if a child died in infancy without being baptised, it would not be entitled to enter heaven, even though it had committed no sins of its own, since it bore the inherited guilt of Adam and Eve's sin. Catholicism invented a place for infants who died before being baptised: they called it "limbo" (the Church's teaching regarding limbo was quietly retired in 1992, when under Benedict XVI, the Vatican issued a statement dismissing the idea as simply a hypothesis). This is the Doctrine of Original Sin as taught by Roman Catholicism.
Now, if Mary was born with Original Sin, she would automatically pass it on to her child, Jesus. The Catholic Church could not have that as part of their teaching, so they invented the idea that when Mary was conceived, she was miraculously free of the guilt associated with Original Sin. The state of being free of Original Sin is described as "immaculate". The Latin term for "Original Sin" is "Maccula Originalis". "Macula" in Latin is "stain; blemish; spot"-hence "immaculate", without stain or spot or blemish.
But this picture in the closeup isn't real?
There was no picture of Mary anywhere.
I’ve often thought the ‘Virgin Birth’ was nothing but a Big Phallus-sy’ !!! The Messiah was suppos’d to have been born in the holiest month of Tishrei-which contains the Feast of Trumpets, the Feast of Rosh Hashannah, The 10 Days of Repentence (Yomei Aseret Teshuvah) Yom Kippur & the Feast of Sukkhot (‘booths’) which is 21 Aug to 20 September according to the Jewish Calendar-the astrological sun sign of the ‘Virgin’ (= Virgo) ...
When ‘James the Just’ (Yakkov bar Yosef haTzaddiq, the brother of ‘Jesus’) was ask’d c. 52 CE about the Messiah being born of a ‘Virgin’ he was said to have laughed out loud-‘my brother was conceiv’d & Born just like anyone else...’ he said...
Interestingly in ‘Matthew’s’ gospel the 3 faked 14-member sets of Daviddic ancestors contain 5 females (!!) all of them whores or rape-victims (Tamar who dressed as a prostitute to seduce Judah, Rachab the Harlot, Ruth who spread her legs for a relative, Bath-Shebiti (= Bath Sheba) who committed adultery with King David and last in the list of whores or sexual deviants was Mary of Galilee the mother of ‘Jesus’ hmmmm...
As my old Durham University Professor CK Barrett us’d to ask us Theology students, ‘what exactly is Mathew (whoever he was...) trying to tell us ?’ Hmmmm
Tamar seduced Judah, so she wasnt raped, and Ruth was from Moab, so not related to Boaz.
@@HistoryandReviews - apparently it was James (Yakkov bar Yosef haTzaddiq = James the son of Joseph, call’d James The Just) who headed up a communist Zionist Messianic group not unlike the Essenoid Sons of Zadok at Qumran who wrote the Dead Sea Scroll material - his group was call’d ‘the Evionim’ (‘The poor Ones’)
After the execution of his brother (R. Yehoshua bar Yosef the Galilean Nazir BCE 12 - 36 CE) for arm’d sedition against Rome during ‘The Insurrection’ (See the gospel of ‘Mark’, whoever he was, chapter 14:57ff) at the 100th Anniversary of the Roman Occupation beginning in 63 BCE...James took over the apocalyptic ‘the time has come to announce-the-Kingdom of Heaven’ ministry of his brother (Gospel of Thomas logion 12 : ‘and they asked him Rebbe, if you are taken from us whom shall we follow then? And J. answered them saying, ‘Immediately go to my brother Yakkov (= James the Just) who is call’d haTzaddiq for whose sake Heaven & Earth has come into being...)-
And these Evionim practic’d strict Torah observance (including kashrut diet & Circumcision etc) for centuries after the death of Jesus, whom they call’d The Prophet & Messiah of Yisro’el but rejected the virgin birth claiming that ‘Jesus was born just like everyone else& the divine spirit came upon him only after his Baptism by John...’
Apparently after the 1st Fail’d Jewish War Against Rome (66-72) the ‘Ebionites’ (as they are sometimes call’d) fled to Pella after 72 CE and then broke up into various sub-sects one of which later accepted a miraculous birth of Jesus but the rest never did-the Evionim (‘the poor ones’) always considered themselves Jews although they held a belief in Jesus merely as an inspir’d Messianic Prophet -
Unfortunately we do not have a complete ‘Bible’ of the Evionim - only quotations from the enemies of the Ebionites (‘early Church fathers (‘episcopoi’ = ‘overseers’ I.e. ‘bishops’) who consider’d themselves to be the ONLY orthodox & authentic ‘Christians’ !!) from the Gospel the Ebionites us’d as their Scriptures which was written in Hebrew Letters, which closely accorded along the lines of the later Greek Gospel of Matthew in the NT to-day but without chapters 1 & 2 since they denied the Virgin Birth like Elkasai, Carpocratius & Cerinthus who literally translate the original HEBREW prophecy in Isaiah 7:9 as ‘haAlmah’ = ‘that young woman over there...’ as opposed to the LXX Septuagint Greek translation of ‘Virgin’ (Gk Parthenos) -
You can see many references to James the Just’s involvement with the founding of the Evionim (read James 2:5 for a coded reference to them) in the writings of the early church fathers / bishops who wrote about them in VERY crude & disparaging terms such as the vicious anti ‘heretical’ writings of Hippolytus, Tertiullian, Origen, Iranaeus of Lyons, Epiphanius, Justin Martyr, Theodotus etal. (as well as the Ebionite-enemy ‘Paul’ did in his epistles referring to them simply as ‘they of the Circumcision’ & in Galatians chapter 2 we read:
‘James & Kefah Those so-call’d Pillars of the Church’ etc);
The Evionim / Ebionites actually had much in common with the Essenoid Dead Sea Scroll sectarians at Qumran who penn’d the so-call’d Dead Sea Scrolls in terms of church organisation, Weltanschauung (theological apocalyptic worldview) & technical language & if you read the ‘Epistle of James’ in the New Testament - and Jesus seems to have mention’d them in ‘the Gospel written in Hebrew Letters’ that was often quoted by the early Church bishops (using a Gospel text very close to but not exactly the same as the later Greek ‘Gospel of Matthew’) in verses such as ‘The Evionim you will always have with you to perform Mitzvot for, but the Bar Enasha (son of man, see Aram Daniel 7:13ff) you will not always have to perform Mitzvot for...’ or ‘Blessed are the Evionim, for the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to them...’ &tc
@@donaldgoodell7675 No offense man but you need to use the enter key on your keyboard more liberally.
@@BlGGESTBROTHER / sorry Big - the subject of NT theology & ‘Christian’ origins is vast (especially since the discovery of the Dead Sea Scroll corpus & it slow & painful process of publication to the masses...) and there is A LOT of background information to cover in these discussions !!!!
@@donaldgoodell7675 Understandable. It would just make your comment easier to digest if you broke it up into paragraphs.
John 14:6 And Jesus answered " I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the Father but by me " Jesus answered .
What is truth? Christians will say that Jesus is the truth. But if truth be told, it is defined as the extent to which a proposition or a claim conforms reality. Never forget this! For if the church had the "truth", do you think there would be so many denominations in christianity? Each denomination is a bold statement to the world, declaring that the other denominations of christianity are in error and void of the truth. So many denominations is evidence that the church is yet to find truth. After all, God is not the author of confusion.
@@InterestedInDansk Where is your evidence for such lofty claims? You speak much but demonstrate nothing. Truth is defined as the extent to which a proposition or a claim conforms to reality. I gave examples of the many denominations in christianity to show that these churches, while walking by faith and not by sight, all have different doctrines and claiming that they have the truth. This is undeniable evidence that they don't have the truth, which you can confirm yourself.
According to the New Testament, God is not the author of confusion. Therefore, one must conclude that these christian churches are not serving the God of truth.
But why is it so hard for these churches to get the truth right, any way? Could it be that the messages that they are reading are leading them all to this great confusion? I'm just wondering!
The buybull the biggest lie ever
"Faith comes by hearing, hearing the WORD of God", ie the Bible...a book that has caused much confusion and contradiction..
@@beslanintruder2077 Hi thank you for your comments . Tell me what is confusing about Gods plan of salvation thru his so Jesus Christ . Gods plan of salvation is the same in every translation what confuses you ? If you do not mind sharing do you also mind sharing what contradictions ? Thank you .
Greatly enjoyed this presentation and the following discussion! I'll have to check out Bill Zuersher's book as I really liked his way of explaining things.
In the Talmud, one needed two witnesses to adultery, so as there aren’t two witnesses to acts of adultery. Just a quick example of how the rabbis interpreted the Tanach.
21:49 Golden shower must have had a different meaning back then... or did it?
Nope, humans have been pissin' on each other for eons!😑
I have told believers, if I told you a story about a child born from a miraculous birth, persecuted by someone of power, experienced an awakening, was put through trials, performed miraculous feet’s, was betrayed by someone close to him, died and rose from the dead to ascend to a place next to his deity Father, who would I be talking about??? Many said Jesus and I corrected them and told them Hercules. So I can understand a few things being similar, but this story has the same elements and plot as the Greek “myth” of the demigod Hercules.
I know this is “MythVision Podcast” but this information would be more interesting on UA-cam as a presentation with corresponding images or visuals. In my opinion.
If "Ugh Ugh Ugh" were a drink game, I'd be feeling pretty good about right now lol This guy talking is better at writing lol
As Christian who understand the Bible I can say for sure that Jesus was not born of a virgin.
The virgin birth idea is an astrological matter to do with the placement of the constellation Virgo relative to the earth at the time of Christ's birth.
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So if Mary had a hymen when Jesus was born, Jesus must have broken it, right?
Such a Chad, breaking hymen before he was even born.
The immaculate c-section
Jesus broken hymen Christ 😂
Some churches believe he manifested in a light beside the body
Jesus couldn’t have been made out of clay! He had to be a son of Adam to save all the progeny of Adam!
That Botticelli painting of Augustine looks awesome. I had no idea that this North African was responsible for all the sexual problems of us Catholics (and former Catholics who adore the quaintness of the faith and who relish the abuses of our Catholic education, nuns telling children that shorts are a "venial sin" and short shorts a "mortal sin.")
Great analysis, a different way to look at the story.
The virgin birth is a metaphor, on the sublimation of sexual energy into soma _ [ meaning psychic energy that feeds higher consciousness.] Modern scholars take concept out of context. As the ancients believed that celibacy was necessary for spiritual progress. The speaker takes the virgin birth much too literally, it is the higher self or soul which is waking up , or being born to its divine nature.
Here’s the thing i’m going to assume that anybody watching this at least except evolution. Because if you’re questioning the virgin birth you’re likely not a fundamentalist. But evolutionarily speaking a functioning hermaphroditic woman in the early first century would’ve gone completely unnoticed and so a potential virgin pregnancy that is pregnant with an unbroken hymen is not a technically impossible mutation.
And examining the biblical account and appears that Joseph had sex with Mary and all of Mary’s children were from Joseph, when Jesus and Mary died the mutation died with them.
And considering that hermaphrodites exist today but as of yet have not seen a repeat of a functional hermaphroditic woman does not exclude the possibility that Mary may have been one. In this incredibly rare and never again repeated natural event may still qualify as miraculous.
I'm Christian. The Virgin Birth myth is the afterbirth of the Trinity dogma. Jesus couldn't have been born this way or he wouldn't have been the Messiah. Jesus was the
Messiah and his human Father was Joseph, the scriptures say the truth, but the truth cannot be seen if the mind is filled with the lies of Trinitarianism and its Virgin Birth myth lies. The mind is diluted but the truth remains intact despite Trinitarian translation bias such as indoctrinating people with the word "virgin" (in reference to Isaiah 7:14) instead of "the young woman."
Melchizidek was supposedly born to an old, barren woman also.
In those days the word "virgin" simply meant "unmarried". The meanings of words often change over time.
You always tell us their links will be down in the descriptions yet as usual there are no links provided 😒
“Jesus’ Biological Father was Joseph: According to the New Testament” by DS WAGGONER debunks the Virgin birth legend like none other!
Brilliant and educational!well done Bill Zuersher.
Hello, I can't understand this word at 55:00. Can someone help me, please?"...angel that's coming down and becoming incarnate (...HUMORIZED???...) if you will...". Thanks
A problem with the virgin birth concept is that if Mary was not a virgin on her wedding night she should have been taken out and stoned in front of her father's house because "She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house." (Deut 22:21). Joseph and her were merely pledged and not yet married when Joseph found out about her being pregnant.
Mat 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit.
Mat 1:19 Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.
While maybe stretching things a bit, if a woman's family could not provide proof of her virginity on her wedding night she was to be stoned. Deut 22:13-21. And while finding out she's pregnant before her wedding night is a bit of a stretch, it's hard to imagine anyone would think her a virgin if she was pregnant already. There was no "silently divorcing her" stuff, they were not yet married. Joseph would have simply pointed out her pregnancy and her parents would be left with the consequences. Divorce was already a "quiet affair", the man just gave his wife a certificate of divorce and down the road she went, with only those things he allowed her to take with her. She was already disgraced, for being a "betrothed virgin" in her father's house who was pregnant and obviously not a virgin. Unless one is a simpleton and believes that "Oh, don't worry, God did it" story.
How did he find out she was pregnant anyway? Did she just say "Joseph honey, by the way, "god came upon me and I'm carrying his child"?" If Joseph noticed so would have her family and friends. AND long before Joseph did, as they were living with her and he was not. Or shouldn't have been anyway, they were only pledged. (I don't think they had 'bundling bags' in those times). There would be no "shotgun wedding", she'd have been taken out and stoned, and before Joseph could find out, if they were truly a righteous family. Did her parents notice her condition, assume her and Joseph just 'couldn't wait" and decide to force him to hurry up the wedding? I don't think it worked that way in those times. Joseph would have denied being the father, that Law was clear anyway. If they were unmarried and HE was the father he'd have been stoned to death as well (or at least one would think so as harsh as the Deuteronomy laws were on the matter). If they were unmarried and he denied being the father then the betrothal was off, she was guilty, stoned and Joseph got his bride price back.
Stop saying "Jesus christ".....christ is a titel...not family name...Jesus wasn't the son of Mary and Josef Christ.
And 100% he isn't the christ/Messiah.
Bills book is awesome. Listening to him though is complete torture because of all the Uh's and Um's which he used 483 times on this video. I wish he would work on that.
STARTS @4:30
Very interesting understated guy.
Could the reason that the Bible DOESN'T name Jesus's sisters because they were Mary's daughters?? I've ALWAYS wondered why Jesus's sisters weren't named but his brothers were.
I’m so glad he brought up the genealogy thing. I hardly ever hear anyone bring it up, but it so blatantly irrelevant it’s funny! The genealogy of Jesus cannot be what is in the Bible, because the core of the belief is that he is the actual son of god. God would be his only ancestor.
The Messiah has to a a biological descendant. Tribal affiliation was patriarchal. It couldn't be passed on via adoption. Joseph would have to be his father.
@@emilywyatt9340 Joseph registered Yeshua as his firstborn child with his wife Mary. No adoption was needed, no questions to Joseph. Yeshua was in Nazareth known as the son of Joseph. Yeshua is legally the heir of the throne of David through Solomon.
I've read in several places where the "star" was actually the conjunction of a few large planets, thus making it look like one huge star. I think it was Jupiter (king), Venus (virgin queen), and something else. Maybe Saturn. The astrologer magi (wise men) would have known far in advance when this conjunction would have happened ("followed" the "star"...on their maps), and where it would be fully seen (somewhere in Israel). The conjunction probably historically occurred, and the concepts those planets represent could have created this exact nativity story to surround it.
...wasn't Venus "birthed" from Jupiter according to the EU theory? Maybe it was Saturn? Can't remember now. One of them spit out Venus. And ancient humans saw it happen.
Not sure if that could apply here tho. The timeliness might not work.
I'm not so keen on Bill Zuersher's hypothesis. I think there is more weight in the hypothesis that Paul doesn't mention the birth of Jesus because Paul's Jesus wasn't Earth based, Mark didn't mention the birth because Mark was of the notion that Jesus was just a nice regular guy who had the Holy Spirit enter him upon John The Baptist's baptism of Jesus (passing through water), and then Jesus as 'God in Man' carried out his/god's ministry, Matthew and Luke needed to be more in-tune with the Jewish scriptures and prophecies to be more appealing to Jewish converts, like wise with John but John has Jesus as a full blown Demi-god, hence all the magic and miracles.
@Skydaddy Myth-Busters Including soliloquies in Gethsemane which are quoted. Shakespeare at least had an audience to hear them.
🤔Tell me by what POWER Yeshua(Jesus) raised LAZARUS from the DEAD, and the Daughter of the ruler of the pharisees, and the old widow only Son. both back to LIFE.😄
Elijah pray to the LORD 4 the child.
1st Kings 17:22,23.
Elisha pray to the LORD 4 the child.
2nd Kings 4:6
JESUS(Yeshua Hamashiach) said to the dead LAZARUS in the tomb. "Lazarus come out" John 11:39,43.
JESUS said to the Widows only Son in the coffin. "Young man, I say unto thee, Arise" Luke 7:12-15.
JESUS said to the Ruler dead Daughter. "Maid,Arise" Luke 8:49-56.
REPENT of your sin, Call upon the LORD GOD(YHWH), BELIEVE Jesus the Messiah that he SENT and he will be merciful to your Soul. John 3:16.
YESHUA(JESUS)HAMASHIACH,
The Son of David, the Son of Abraham, The Son of God.
Matthew 1:1/Proverbs 30:4.
Isaiah 11:1, 10.
Genesis 18:18.
@@sauloaraujo5030 Same power that Superman flies faster than a speeding bullet. Meaning it is completely fictitious. A fabrication written by arrogant and ignorant men. Which would be ok by me if that was the limit of the nonsense. But some believers, some with good intent and some with bad intent deliberately cause suffering and harm inspired by the nonsense of religion.
The unholy spirit fell on many doesn't mean they were not Sinners we all Sinners it's what happens when we walk away from our sins and give them to Alpha then u receive the eyes of God
This is not a deception. The scripture is God's word. Stop deceiving people. Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
The whole bible story of Jesus is just a white man's comic book, you don't need to take it too serious.
Your statement takes faith . You cannot prove the Holy Bible is not true . That is just your opinion . Your belief requires faith just as my belief being a Christian and trusting Jesus requires faith . As a Christian and knowing what the Holy Bible says about mans sinful heart . Would you not rather trust Jesus and have faith in Jesus and his word . Then mans opinion . Jesus loves you .
@@MR.CHRISTIAN-m1i life is fact, not fiction, fiction requires faith. We have a conscience, meaning we must listen to it and not be caught up in stories and European comic books, you might as well worship Superman, since Jesus used to be Zeus of the cult in Crete till the Greeks brought it to Afrika. Listen to your conscience if you have one.
@@eastafrika728 Well once you have heard the truth and rejected Jesus . That is on you . That is your choice i am praying for you . Have a great day .
@@eastafrika728 John 20:29 Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed . Jesus disciple Doubting Thomas would not believe until he touched Jesus nailed scarred hands which he did . Then Jesus said that . I have Faith in Jesus . Man will say anything to justify his sin . Man has a sinful heart . No one can force you to believe but I can pray for you that the Holy Spirit would convict your heart to the truth . That truth is the Lord Jesus Christ . Have a great day nice chatting .
@@MR.CHRISTIAN-m1i so you are now quoting a European comic book. I am Afrikan, we have a human conscience, I know myself, you don't if you follow that stupidity. We were created by the black woman as universal consciousness. Jesus and that garbage bible is beneath me Jesus and Yahweh bow to me!
I listened to what these people have said! Not a bad talk but honestly that's there philosophy
Most people think Christianity started with Jesus.
But they never think of all the chance events that preceded the birth of Jesus.
For example, King David spotted Bath-sheba having a bath. She was the wife of Uriah (Urias).
If he hadn't lusted after her, Jesus would never have been born (Matthew 1:6).
Islam teaches the angel Gabriel is the father.
Yeah.and angel brett is the claimer
Lmfao.get educated before making lame statement next time
@@justarshad8354 are you saying the Quran does not state this?
@@Yohannson the quran says god sent angel jibril to announce the good news to mary and her prayers is answered.she will be given a child.'whenever god decrees a matter he just says be and it is'
Theres no such thing as the angel is the father or god biological son.
God just says 'kun faya kun'='be and it is'
@@justarshad8354 shihh well I’m named Gabriel. I like the Islamic concept way better now lol I think I’ll revert
Derek, I was just thinking. You are more of a Monday morning quarterback always agreeing with your guest after the fact. Have you any interviewed anyone that opposes your guest, specifically someone who opposes Bart Ehrman? It could be on any subject.
You know what? It's actually easy to establish the historicity of fantastic events such as a virginal birth or a physical, bodily resurrection if Jesus of Nazareth (as portrayed in the canonical Christian gospels) was not even an historical person in the first place. The said events become historically true in a perfectly VACUOUS sense. Indeed, there is a strong body of scholarship which supports the view that Jesus was a mythical (i.e. non-historical) figure -- just like Moses.
We are Living in the chaos world therefore , let us One universe to enter the covenant of YHVH....