How DUNE (2021) Did the Impossible
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- Опубліковано 20 чер 2024
- The newest adaptation of Dune, directed by Denis Villeneuve has finally hit cinemas - and HBO Max, but you should probably see it on the big screen - and against all the odds it has been a huge success, with Dune Part Two recently being green lit. While I will be releasing my thoughts on the movie - basically my review - later on, for this video I wanted to examine the marketing, box office trends and other factors which contributed to Dune becoming a hit when it seemed like such a difficult thing to pull off. After all if Dune can do it, maybe some other supposedly "unfilmable" projects can do it too.
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00:00 Intro
01:55 Dune The Book
04:52 Dune Movie Trailers
08:46 Dune's Cast
10:41 How Dune Hit Cinemas
12:30 Conclusion
14:26 Outro
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MY FAVOURITE SCENE IN DUNE (2021) - I made a UA-cam short about this for Tier 3 Patrons and Members to accompany this video.
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You're wrong... dune blew chunks and was as close to an adaptation of the book as if they simply nailed it to a piece of wood. Crap flick , shit postulation sir... stick to doing stand up.
dune its definitely not the best selling sci fi novel of all time, even adding the numbers you mentioned of the 3 book franchises you ve shown on the video, combined, haven t sold as much as the best selling sci fi novel of all time
I think one thing about dune that really ensured success is this:
If a movie can be 2,5 hours long and still feel too short, you know it's good.
It felt long to me but that's only cause I really needed to piss near the end lmao
great film tho
When paul was getting ready to fight I remember thing christ.. this is a long ass movie.. I hope it doesnt end soon lol
@@Ma55ey
Hahaha exactly
It was boring af. It felt it was a handful of scenes that were stretched out over 2.5 hours, none of which were interesting and the dialog was mostly whispered with music playing making it hard to hear anything.
Exactly the feel: more than 2 hours and I wanted more of this, more of the universe, more of this.
Dune 2021 really feels like a 2:30 hour pilot for a new series...
And I have no problem with that! I've seen it 3 times now
Worse - it feels like the 2000 mini series pilot with good effects, taking at least 50% longer to tell less story.
Given the budget difference of the mini series to this one film, to say I'm not impressed is a sizable understatement to my disappointment in the wasted potential here.
The visual look and sound is so very right - but so much time is wasted on repeatedly boasting of it in every shot that they neglect to give most of the film any story to work with.
Consequently it's about 66% longer than the mini series pilot with less story/plot/character development addressed.
I actually wish that they had split this into a mini series format.
To think what the makers of the 2000 Dune and 2002 Children of Dune makers could have done with modern VFX capabilities and the current willingness of AAA film actors to work on Netflix, Amazon and Apple 'TV' projects.....
@@mnomadvfx I think your take is spot on, something about the pacing made it feel like a really good tv pilot as opposed to a real cinematic experience.
I enjoyed it but it's not a master piece. It's a decent movie and certainly I like the pacing better than the older movie. But I wouldn't watch it several times. Hopefully the second part 2 is as good or better.
Edit: also yeah I agree it feels like a pilot episode.
@@mnomadvfx I have a thousand small problems with the movie.
That being said this is about the best movie we could have got.
As someone that read the books, before going into the movie Sci Fi's film was my favorite. It has all the story intrigue. It was pretty much a faithful to the book as you could be with the medium of film.
Dune 2021 did something that has completely changed what a movie could be for me. I if this style of movie takes off... I will be incredibly interested to see where films can go.
All the books are about the possible paths humanity can take. Seleuca Secundus is a penal planet that is an irradiated hellscape after a nuclear war. As a planet it is barely survivable. The Emperor's Sardaukar only take the best of the survivors of this planet. This movie, you get to see the culture in which they were raised. Doing battle rights as they were gearing up for the trip... I felt I was experiencing their thousand of years of history in one little snippet time.
House Atreides, it's bullfighting, the culture in which Paul was raised... Every culture, language, and people were distinct. Their culture was giving time to breathe. That is what we are getting with all of the strip downess. Something I didn't know something a non art house movie could do.
Only the the basic story elements were shown. Which... If you are only going into this without reading the book, you would be constantly being shelled with plot points. I watched the movie with a 15 year old kid. That hadn't read the book. He loved it. It wasn't hard for him to follow. Awesome
This first movie is almost a primer for the book.
8 times...Im gonna be a Freman next Halloween.
So glad they've greenlit the folow up. Sounds as though they've gone the LotR route and adapted the story rather than the book. I'll be fascinated to see how they get around all the internal monologues.
Seems like they’ve kind of avoided it where they can. The dinner scene and the Jessica/Hawat scene where she uses the voice on him we’re both omitted from the film. Both scenes are incredible, but only because of the internal thoughts of the characters.
They show a lot through the acting I feel. I picked up the books once I saw the movie and I’m noticing that even though the film didn’t have the internal monologue, they did a good job getting things across
@@Kujakuseki01 The subplot that motivates the Jessica/Hawat scene was an obvious cut from this film (avoiding book spoilers). The impact on the ultimate outcome is minimal for where this film ended, and the story could easily be reworked to the story as told in the film. The dinner scene also revolves around this subplot, but mainly performs another layer of worldbuilding, sets up Arrakis politics, and introduces extremely minor characters even within the book: another obvious cut.
That subplot will have to appear in the next film, but its easy to come up with a way the core of the subplot arises in another way.
@@Imbeachedwhale Aww. I love the dinner scrne and was looking forward to seeing how they handled it.
@@jacobturnerart It’s like Bombadil in the Lord of the Rings or the dust storm in The Martian . Excellent parts of the books that would sideline a movie, which we’d like to keep near a 2 hour runtime (Dune is 2:35). When you are making a film adaptation of a book something has to go, and often very good scenes are obvious choices to cut from the script.
My favorite thing about Dune(2021) is it doesn't talk down to the audience.
by that, I mean over explain things.
The hunter-seeker. In most movies there would be a whole scene where they explain what they are and how dangerous they are so stupidly a 3 year old could understand it the second it comes on screen.
Dune. Nope.
Thing - Danger - Oh Crap - Plan to Solve the Problem and Solve the Problem without a word.
Just Direction, Editing, and Acting.
The point of the hunter killer has less to do with how dangerous it is than the events around and following it.
ie How skilled Paul had to be in order to save both himself and Shadout Mapes.
The near apopleptic rage of Duke Leto at how close his son came to death (when losing a near full load of spice and a harvester did not make him feel this).
The resultant tightening of security in Arrakeen.
How much this compromises the Baron Harkonnen's timetable for dealing with the Atreides.
To the point that he has to considerably accelerate it, all because Rabban acted without consulting the Baron first.
In short you concentrated so hard on the the explanation of the HK that you missed absolutely everything that justifies that it 😂😂😂.
Missing the forest for the trees..... it's not just a saying you know.
As for acting, I'm less than impressed with Chalamet - he looks the part and he obviously prepared well for the fight scenes but nothing else about his portrayal of Paul impressed me.
He seemed childish, easily distracted and all round not Paul Atreides.
Even before the Water of Life unlocks his ancestors genetic memories he is basically described as a calm, middle aged (or older) man by temperament, in a childs body.
In short Chalamet is basically playing the Young Adult version of Paul Atreides.
As a YT critic once famously said - THANKS I HATE IT!
I waited 20 years for another adaptation after seeing Lynch's Dune - only the visuals, sound design (not the score), Jessica, Leto and the Baron's acting/portrayals impressed me.
All else was little more than thin sketches of character and plot propped up by endless CG, navel gazing or scenery shots.
@@mnomadvfx Paul keeps having visions, even when awake. Why would he NOT be distracted?
Just no pleasing some people, is there? It doesn't conform to what you had in your mind, therefore it's a terrible movie. Next time, try going in without preconceptions.
@@mnomadvfx Yeah, I agree the scene, like many others, was dumbed down to like, "somebody tried to kill our main hero, but he survived it, because he is great, and also because he is our main hero, dear audience, please feel the danger!" It practically feels like only a dramaturgical filler in the new movie. That's what you get nowadays most of the time from big budget Hollywood productions, great looks, simple drama and thin stories. In the case of Dune this is a crime.
As if something named “hunter seeker” needs an explanation lol
@@TheJaker5 That's the scariest mosquito I've ever seen.
There aren't many films I would recommend seeing in IMAX, but this is definitely one of those movies that is amazing in IMAX.
IMAX sucks
@@lucasoheyze4597 K, thanks for your helpful input.
@@darthphayde508 lmao
The main reason Villeneuve succeeds, with this as well as Arrival and Blade Runner 2049 is that he focuses on the people and their stories, not the big picture and the effects. The reason it will never be as big as any Marvel-circus-film is that Villeneuve trusts his audience's intelligence
Meh. How about because he's an amazing artist that understands character & visuals? And that the majority of cinema consumers are mindless sheep that, like the Bene Gesserit bend wills w/"the voice", have been bent over backwards by shallow marketing & empty artistic endeavors from Hollywood studios, launched solely to make them piles of cash?
What I love about this movie is that the characters actions made sense and they did not do anything stupid. Also it was presented well where you will look up the novels because of how intresting it is.
Plus the besr part is that the director did not treat the viewers like children that has a 2 second attention span that needed constant excitement, yelling and stupid comedy.
This movie was made for mature audiences
It was the first time in many years that I feel respected as an audience member. I really dislike these hero franchises and honestly, cinema movies in general the last decade or so. This really brings back some integrity to the big screen
What makes a movie great is when you can feel the love in every little detail. You can tell when a director understands and deeply loves his creation, especially for franchises with a fanbase. It is the same love the fans have and also gives newcomers lots to explore and a feeling of connectedness. It's like the space between spaces, it can be felt and is immensely joyful, but not overexplained. It makes the world feel full and exciting. I find a lot of movies reveal everything, lay out the cards and there is nothing lingering behind the curtain to peak at. Everything is handed to you, already pointed out. there is little beyond the surface to find and marvel at. Dune succeeds in creating this sense of wonder like nothing i have seen in years, you want to just dive in until you have to come up for air
This! Dune is a movie where you can feel all the love for the source material and hard work put into it. It is a cinematography at it's best and you can spend days watching videos about how it was made and how much attention was given to every little detail.
I beg to differ on the "visuals in the trailer" point. Yes, other movies have their most spectacular shots in their trailers, but the big franchises, like SW, ST or DCU, are known quantities, while Dune is new to most people, like you said yourself. Besides looking absolutely stunning, the visuals for Dune have something very new and alien to them and I believe that caught a lot of people's attention. Focus on visuals and personal stories go hand in hand for Dune and that is very well reflected in the trailer.
I saw the other Movie when I was a kid, but I've never read the Book... I remember thinking that other one was very boring... however, I freaking LOVE this Movie!! Best Movie in a long while for me. :)
Which visuals did you find memorable? Aside from the imperial ceremony granting the Atreides family the spice concession on Arrakis, and the sandworm reveal, I didn’t find the film that visually interesting, frankly.
@@michaelhall2709 Damn dude, what wasn't visually stunning? Everything from the shields and rocket carpet bombing to glimmering spice in the sand and heavy/massive feeling design of the ships and structures.
@@michaelhall2709 The Visions, I would have to say... but it's not really about the Visuals, for me, but rather the Visual Story Telling... as it shows, tho not specifically stated, that Paul doesn't necessarily KNOW exactly what's IS going to happen before it happens... but rather, that he kinda see's various POSSIBILITIES that COULD happen...
Taken to the Super-Powered Extreme, that is how I would think that God would see the World...
They ask, "Why did God call out for Adam and Eve, if he knows all things??" Or, "Why would God test us if he already knows the outcome??" And that would be my answer, lol.
God might know everything that COULD happen, but he doesn't know exactly what YOU will CHOOSE to CHOOSE until you CHOOSE it.
Sorry for the tangent, but if I had to pick what draws me to the Movie, then I kinda had to explain that, lol.
Ugh, me too. I had to run straight to the comments. There is some bias happening there. And the world building comment too. Yeah, let me see you, or any actual director, set up a messiah arch, in a Universe where grotesquely mutated humans fold time from tripping balls, & w/a political theater that's being manipulated by an ancient band of witches that can bend a person's will w/their voices alone. Do all that in a way that the average film goer not only understands it, but falls in love with it, all in under an hour.
Just walked out of the theater in NYC. Loved it. Can't wait for Part 2. Really liked it more than I thought. I was an early skeptic.
. W ^
"Bless the Maker and His Water. Bless the coming and going of Him. May His passing cleanse the world. May He keep the world for his people." My favorite scene was the harvester rescue scene, and I watched the film 3 times in the theater mainly for that sequence.
That was a great one. I loved the tent scene. My favorite moments in the book are when Paul is seeing his jihad, and Denis translated it onto the screen beautifully
@@960456 The jihad scene in the film was my biggest let down! It didn't look epic to me.
The gom jabbar scene was by far the best to me.
@@gracefool I kinda understand you, dude, though it's not the Jihad vision which bothered me. The entire moment in the book was a crossroad, a moment of power when Paul finally awakens to his psychik potential and gains the ability to see both past and the future. The Jigad was but one of many revelations he received back then, and it really felt he's changing into a being with omnipotent mind. The movie made the scene look like just another one of Paul's visions and didn't focus on the awakening of his mind.
@@dimaudalow it's so hard to show though, and Villeneuve is clearly all about show don't tell
This new Dune movie was indeed the best adaptation so far. In addition to this, this ne Dune has a secret weapon. And it is that Jason Momoa spoke of a 4-6 hrs version of the movie.
Should that long version be released on either streaming, DVD, or both, it would skyrocket this movie to another dimension. As a matter of fact, after it has done its run in the movie theaters, it could be re-released again on limited screens, as the 4-6 hrs version: The Director's Cut.
Most believe Momoa was talking about the full part one and two combined. Villeneuve has never done a director's cut and said something to that effect of Dune also.
@@gracefool You are probably right.
If there was a director's cut I would pay good money to see it.
@@tallaganda83 If you saw Dune in the theater, you have paid good money for the director’s cut. Denis Villeneuve has explicitly said the version released was HIS version.
Solid video.
I did enjoy all the reviews giving it low ratings for being "slow". I mean, how dare a film spend time with worldbuilding instead of giving constant action and jokes, right?
I love 2001 Space Odyssey for its slow pace, I love Star Trek TMP for its slow pace, I love Andromeda Strain for its slow pace... I hate 2021 Dune for being boooooring! My biggest movie disappointment lately :/ There's not that much worldbuilding here I feel, rather it's filled with constant artsy fartsy shots of desert and Paul's visions. They didn't even explain what a mentat is! Hell, Piter deVries is not even mentioned by name here! No Emperor shown even for split second, Baron doing an impression of colonel Kurtz, makes me dizzy with boredom even thinking about it :/
@@ELEKTROSKANSEN That scene at the beginning where Howat calculates for Leto how much it cost to send the Emperor's emissary to Caladan explained perfectly well what a mentat is: a "human computer."
@@ELEKTROSKANSEN i couldn't believe how dirty they did piter and his actor. his actor had more to do in the dark knight in 2008. 13 years later and he's practically relegated to an unnamed extra. ironic that piter has an EPIC character poster. scant plot, no tension with lifeless characters that we dont care about when they suddenly die.
Dude, im complaining the movie feels too short.... i want moreeee
World building is fine, as long as you do something with it. But absolutely nothing is accomplished by anyone in the entire movie.
Ok the judge accomplishes not doing her job but can not doing something really be considered an accomplishment?
It felt like an overly long history channel mockumentary.
11 out of 10!
One of the absolute best movies I've ever seen!
Why: Perfect production, direction, cinematography, sets, costumes, and acting!
Well worth the year long wait!
Don't forget the sound design and soundtrack, holy smokes it was an expiriance to behold in the theaters
@@UNSCPILOT Don't say that word like that dude
More than half of the movie is just looking at CGI , this is a masterpiece for you ?
@@bigdraco98 They didn't actually use a lot of CGI for the movie, the ornithopters, for example, were all built in real life
@@reclusiarchgrimaldus1269 the flying ones were cgi
Im real impressed that they pulled this shit off
I love how this movie shows rather than talk
Even the technology, it shows how it works instead of a boring dialogue
I have a special place in my heart for the 1984 film and as a result I thought I was going to hate this, or at least dislike it. But how wrong I was. This movie blew me away. Villeneuve has captured lightning in a bottle here, I can't wait for the next one.
Meh. To each their own. That abortion of a Lynch movie is helpful for understanding the references and art style for the Westwood RTS games, but otherwise, I've only seen it once, and once was enough.
I still prefer the 1984 version, great music, they must have hired theater actors with great voices, just hearing the 1984 stilgar speaking or 1984 Gurney (Patrick Stewart!) is a joy. The modern actors all speak like they have throat cancer or think they are nolan's batman. The 1984 movie has such a soul, this new version has CGI and fight choreography, but yet the 1984 sand worms look better!
As someone who was only exposed to Dune through the 80s movie in high school in 2005, I was admittedly underwhelmed by the story. This movie instantly pulled me in and was genuinely one of the best movies I've seen in a while.
The Sardaukar memes are the best. Can't wait for Part Two.
HUMMMMMM BUMMM BAMIUUUUGGGHHH
See it in Imax.
Hopefully AMC doesn’t kill you with movie previews though.
their ads and previews last usually just shy of 30 minutes (like 25-28 on average), so just show up a bit late
THIS. I broke down and watched the first hour when the HD rip of it was released a week early. I though it was very good. Saw it in IMAX when it came out with some friends and it was an ENTIRELY different experience. I thought it was AMAZING. The screen obviously is a huge part of that, but I think the sound of this movie (music+sfx) in IMAX was maybe the greatest I've ever experienced. I'm so glad I decided to stop watching it at home and go see it in IMAX.
I wish I could see it in imax, looks like it's eternals turn on the big screen though. Maybe they'll put it back in imax before the second part comes out to make use of the hype
I usually see movies at my local Harkins theater and they usually run about 5 previews. I saw DUNE at an out of town AMC Imax theater and, OMG, the previews seemed to go on forever!
I'm sadly nowhere near a IMAX, but even in a regular theater it is an Unforgettable Experience, holy heck
I’m coming at this as a fan of the book, so I can’t speak to what worked about the marketing from the perspective of those not familiar with Dune. I think a key aspect, similar to the casting, is that a lot of the fans really had faith Villeneuve was a perfect fit to direct and just haven’t been able to shut up about this movie for the past year or two. I haven’t, at least. It was a feeling of excitement rather than dread that they’ll screw it up you see with a lot of other adaptations. The pandemic causing delays into the next year meant that excitement carried on for even longer. I know several people who became interested just because I was so confident the movie would be great. The fanbase isn’t as massive as something like LOTR or Harry Potter, sure, but a large group of people genuinely enthusiastic about a thing can be infectious.
Yeah, that’s def worth mentioning too. Villenueve brings his own fan base of cinephiles, because his track record is so good. His fan base wasn’t enough to make Blade Runner 2049 a hit but it certainly adds to the pile, along with the book fans and fans of specific actors.
Eternals fans be like: WTFUDGE??? We were supposed to a blockbuster hit???
Dune Fans: Waiter!!! Another coffee and spice malonge please!
I am a MCU fan but I skipped Eternals to see DUNE. It just like a different beast. DUNE is purely for Cinema.
Eternals is good in my opinion and I actually like the director, but no offense dune is much better and unique in a good way
@@reaganation6000 Not gonna lie, I saw the ads for eternals, and I wasn't impressed. There was nothing that made me interested in it.
How about we just enjoy art without having to believe we made the "right" choice in seeing the "better" film? Without having to pit art against art in competition? What's wrong with just liking things? Why do you have to be A DUNE FAN instead of someine who likes Dune? And why should DUNE FANS be in competition with MARVEL FANS? Why can't people just like what they like, and not have to feel smug about their liked property doing better than what they don't like?
Also, crazy idea - what's stopping you being a Dune fan AND a Marvel fan? Nothing! It's not a lifelong commitment, you're not "a Dune guy", now!
All you do by engaging in this farcical competition is polarise audiences, earning more money for the faceless corporations who make the films.
Again, why should you care if Dune does better than Eternals? Did Eternals kill your family? Did Dune save your dig from death? Brands are just brands. They don't deserve such loyalty.
Dune is a story. One of my favourites, but just a story. And I gain NOTHING by treating it like a sports team. Also, considering the very purpose of Dune is to warn against blind fanaticism, it kinda seems like you missed the point of the story, because you're engaging in exactly the same behaviour that Herbert warned against. Such devotion is not healthy.
Be your own person.
@@KyleHarmieson Yes, Eternals did kill my family, and Dune rescued my lost dog from the impound- so i am categorically a Dune fan and I will be keeping an eye out for the Eternals to get me some payback one day.
The buzz is 100 perc true. I went to see it last Sunday and the session was almost full. Almost 3 weeks after it came out in my country, I find it pretty nuts.
I have adhd and it didn't felt slow for me... Something in the movie atmosphere held me
Can't wait to watch this!
I'm a little worried that part two will either be incredibly bloated and busy, or it'll have to be a Snyder-esque 250 minute bladder-bursting epic.
Honestly, part 2 will probably have to be amped up a lot with additional action in comparison to part 1 because the bulk of the action is in the beginning and not so much the later half.
unlikely it will have to padded out to fit a film.
@@Maya_Ruinz Not really. Most of the action is easily in the second half of the book. The novel kind of glosses it over but it easily covers the longest amount of time and most combat and stuff.
I really doubt it. The movie ended about halfway into the story thematically. Since it doesn't have to put up that much lore and just cover the discovery of what the makers do, and the child and then the ground war. There's really not a lot that should bloat it that much. That the first film was 2:30 hours probably indicates a similar to 3 hour film time-wise. We'll see, obviously.
I'm more worried about the kid and how that will be handled
@@serban031 Definitely worried about how Paul is handled, if they play it too straight he will be more a heroic figure than what was meant by the book.
I would say the Sci-fi Miniserieses were both very good for what they had. They also both were big hits in terms of their ratings at the time. And it wasn't lack of interest or profit that stopped Sci-Fi from making the rest of the series...as such.
Rather, it was Sci-Fi being bought out and turned into a reality show network.
That said, as a movie, this succeeded beyond my expectations. And like Quinn, I'm glad Joborowski's Dune was never made. Though it's influence on sci-fi movies was huge.
Joborowski is such an influence of all of sci fi, I really appreciate his ideas, but yea... glad his dune didn't get made.
Yeah the miniseries were great considering their budget
They definitely nearly did the film dirty by releasing it on streaming platform
Thankfully the film's visual and audio quality warrants a theatrical viewing, not to mention the theatrical film literally is a different cut from HBO Max
I saw it 1 time in IMAX and probably 7 on HBO MAX. I actually preferred it on HBO MAX because I could understand the dialog better. Especially the vision sequences where the Witch is talking. All that was completely drowned out where I sat in the theater. Its an incredible movie. So glad they will finish the first book with part 2. Denis blew me away with Bladerunner 2049. He has completely mastered his art with Dune.
I thought the whole time that the film was named 'DUNC', according to all the posters.
I am such a dunce. :-(
It also helped that the director read the books at the age of 13 and loved and cherished the stories in his mind over decades, so he knew what he was doing. And his crew was incredible, from the editors, sound designers and everyone really, every single one of them did their job with passion and incredible skill. It's not just about the trailers or the buzz, although their marketing campaign was very well done and as the director pointed out himself, the pandemic helped them in a way, that the delay added to the buzz around the movie and created greater anticipation.
Josh Brolin appears in everything these days. All he needs to do is a Star Trek and Star Wars.
It looks like the focus of Hollywood is changing. I reckon it wont be long before they shelve things like the MCU and start to do more mid expense smaller projects like Dune.
It makes sense financially given the pandemic as well. Smaller projects give smaller rewards but at a much lesser expense, so Dune and its sequels are much lower risk than any big budget super hero movies.
Hhhahahahha - gee mate, you are really funny.
The MCU is still making money - more than enough to make Kennedy shit so hard it fills the Lucasfilm offices.
COVID and over confidence in wokeness as a money making crutch for lazy screenwriting has indeed caused Disney/Marvel to stumble.
But the market for such films is still there, it didn't wane over the time from Iron Man to Avengers Endgame, it got CONSIDERABLY stronger (nearly $3 billion box office for Endgame alone, case in point).
The market for Star Wars is there too if they can get their thumbs out of their wokeness machines and write some compelling stories instead of relying on tweaking the nipples of the woke brigade to bring people to the box office - the increasingly diminishing BO profits from each successive sequel trilogy film demonstrated this far better than any anti woke argument a fan could make to them.
They understand that they fucked up - Mandalorian is sort of the beginning of a course correction, KOTOR remake is another.
The only real benefit of smaller projects is shorter filming schedules - ergo lower possibility of having to stop for COVID isolations if they are filming in countries that still do this.
@@mnomadvfx You have got to wonder about a world where a 165 million budget adaptation of Dune is a "small project" ....
@@mnomadvfx Man, the "woke" and your group (let's call them the "asses") need to give it a rest already.
The Star Wars sequels didn't get panned because of wokeness - they got panned because they made no goddamn sense hahaha. It's the same reason people don't like Ayn Rand or adaptations of her works - it isn't because they're all commies. It's cause her stories are stupid half-thought out plots built around a political point.
There's great "woke" movies, there's great individualist movies (Clint Eastwood, enough said really), everything in between.
That same logic also applies to terrible movies.
@@nineomite The wokeness part did play an big influence, especially the The Last Jedi. Nowadays however it's more often than not used by idiots with a petty grievance about anything.
@@mnomadvfx eh, the interest in the mcu has been on a very sharp decrease since endgame with some hype for no way home.
In fairness it did half the impossible and now I have to wait god knows how long for the other impossible half, but I can't wait.
I'm a huge fan of Frank Herbert's books. It doesn't bother me that the marketing did not mention it much. It's the story that is important. I enjoyed Dune part 1. I wish that it explained more but it was good.
As far as superhero movies go I actually enjoyed the first Ant Man movie. It didn't take itself very seriously. IMO most superhero movies are pretentious.
I'm a HUGE fan of the 1984 DUNE, but I do agree that Hollywood finally managed to pull-off creating a remake that didn't suck, for a change.
Another good thing about this version of Dune is that the special effects are subdued and realistic. It's not as glossy or as over the top as the visuals in many other big budget movies.
I'm incredibly happy I discovered your channel.
You're talking about all the things I love
The Saudukar were brilliantly realised in this film so much menace done through visuals and sound.
That throat singing Saudukar chant has haunted my dreams haha
@@RowanJColeman I'm waiting for a dubstep remix lol
That creepy interlude on their base planet…. So filled with content that I wanted to know more about, but it didn’t matter, since it all combined to highlight just how alien and dangerous they were, compared to the tame-ness of the Atraides military we had seen so far. Reminded me of the death-mongers from Chronicles of Riddick, in the strangeness and overwhelming dangerousness they conveyed.
you dont realize its not the saudukar who are scary. play that creepy singing anywhere and it would give you the chills. if you take away the singing, it would be as dull as the cinematic palette. nothing scary at all
@@GotoMaki4Micah well that, the spoken language, the use of ritual sacrifices and blood marking, the use of commando style tactics and ambushes. I suppose I am biased to a large degree due to reading the books, playing the dune 2 game in the 90s and the follow ups.
As someone who did read Dune in 12th, grade over 10 years ago and was a massive fan of the Sci-Fi miniseries, I had been hyped for this movie since they announced it. I planned to only watch it at home on hbo with the idea that if I felt that I needed to see it on the big screen I would go into theaters for the first time since January 2020 and watch it. Well guess what happened, I get 30 minutes in and I'm on Fandango buying a ticket for a 2pm Monday showing and arranging to only work a half day. It was perfect, 12 people in the theater, can't recommend this movie on big screen enough.
That's a well reasoned piece of commentary & observation, nice job!
I've seen nothing but good reports about this film, but thought it was safer to wait for the Top Laddie to review it before biting the bullet and watching it.
There is some guy, "Quines Idea"? on you tube. And he does almost nothing but Dune universe videos. He os obviously obsessed w Dune . So I took it as a very good sign when he gave t movie glowing reviews.
Don’t be afraid, they really pulled it off fantastically. Fear is the mind-killer
They managed to make dune appeal to an audience that is neither espexially acqainted of fond of the book nor necessarily into deep science fiction.They made it mainstream without watering it down too much... the book fans also still mostly like it.
Wonderful video! I beg to differ on one point: set design (as well as costume design or production design on a whole) CAN totally be a selling point for a movie.
I’m not huge into movies and Dune is the only thing I’ve seen in theaters in years, but I find myself mostly watching sci-if, fantasy, or period films simply because they have the most interesting production design.
I guess my favorite part of cinema is it’s ability to transport the audience, and Dune definitely did that!
2021 went more brutalist in set and wardrobe design, where the sci-fi channel miniseries went the opposite direction, but I enjoyed both of them.
I think one the better marketing things they did was to release the sound track online when the movie was delayed. I say that because by doing that they Dune fans some to tie them over while at the same time help give people an idea of what the move is.
I have to say I really didn't like the sketchbook they released listened to it a couple of times and was just baffled by it... then you see everyone talking about how the score is terrible.... But hearing the score in the movie it was incredible... I've not seen anyone retracting their "dune score sucks" statement... you still see it now in the comments people saying Dune was great (not the score) for me It was the perfect soundscape for the movie... I loved it.. Was going to say I might not listen to it in the car on my way into work.. but I had it on this morning so....
Another fantastic in-depth video. Thx for being one of the few channels that can broaden my perspective and teach me something new.
Loved the look and feel of this pass at telling the Dune story. But at times there was issues with the volume level of the dialogue getting drowned out by the BGM. Will see part 2.
Children of Dune series had her charm.
Something to mention is the attitude of the director. Read somewhere that Lynch had never read the book before he made the movie and even without the evidence of studio meadling you can clearly tell. Equally so Villeneuve loved the book when he read it as a teenager (watched an interview) and that love comes through in every scene. Lynch's version comes across as not taking itself seriously, while Villeneuve's has an air of awe and reverence that resonates with the tone of the novel very well.
Sardaukar memes are the best advertisement for whoever hasn't seen it yet. You can't change my mind.
when I heard Stilgar's first convo, the Spanish accent immediately made me remember Captain Salazar and to my surprise it was
This isn't a dig, but it does tell you something about the fanbase of Dune that Rowan says the film was front loaded with exposition and then the readers say there wasn't nearly enough of it. My guys like them some words about stuff.
Sometimes i don't think they know that books and film are different medias.
I didn't see it on IMAX first. Went back and watched it in IMAX and it was like an entirely different experience.
I love how the shot you have of online marketing is of the Colbert interview and the moment where Oscar Isaac is making fun of Josh Brolin's massive head.
Whoa, wait. Zoom In. Enhance. THERE IS A BLU-RAY BOX SET OF THE SCI-FI DUNE AND CHILDREN OF DUNE?!
I grew up on the mini-series. It was a pretty good adaptation, IMO, even with the limited budget.
Great video man!
I’m just happy there will be a part 2.
Good analysis of the trailer marketing and release style.
Excellent commentary, thank you so much! I was exposed to the novel first, then the 84 version (or different versions), the mini-series and this fantastic new movie. Do you plan to make a separate video about the music in this new film? Because it adds so much to the film, I can´t believe you did not mention it.
Your conclusion in this video for Dune gives me hope for Guillermo Del Toro to get to make his At the Mountains of Madness adaptation
Jarvier Bardem as Stilgar was inspired casting. As is Oscar Isaacs and Josh Brolin. Not convinced about Jason Momoa, we'll have to see how he gets on. I 've never seen Chalamet in anything, but he's looks young enough, which the other movies got wrong.
A big thing that makes Dune so difficult to film is that the protagonist is referred to by a dizzying array of names! Paul Atreides, Muad'Dib, Paul Muad'Dib, Usul, the Mahdi, the Lisan al Gaib, and the Kwisatz Haderach all come to mind. That’s OK with a book when you can stop and think about it, but tough in a movie theatre. Especially for the uninitiated!
Thoroughly agree, still waiting for your take on "Foundation"..
I was utterly hooked on the book in about a dozen pages, and I'm not used to seeing successful movies really connect with me. Words cannot describe how I feel about this movie and how it loves and understands the source material so deeply that it hits even harder if you've read the rest of the series. It sinks in more and more every time I watch it.
I think it helped that it was Marvel-ised with quips and corny one liners like most movies these days, it went the way of something like The Expanse where it lived in its own universe with its own rules and didn't try to borrow from what is popular right now.
7:03 "s**t kicks off" - how articulate.
Ive watched it a few times and its one of those movies that really just immerses me. I really loved the simplicity of all the ships and buildings also.
I don’t think the “based on” trailer is only to appeal to those who have already read the books. I think they indicate that there is at least a half-decent story that’s being told, especially in these days when films are often really scarce on storyline.
I loved this film. The sifi miniseries is still my favourite because it is complete. If part 2 is good then the new Dune will become my favourite
I really enjoyed Dune and can't wait to see part 2. If you enjoyed this too, I wanted to recommend another show on Apple TV+, Foundation. The creators of Dune and Star Wars have gone on record that they drew inspiration from the Foundation books, and while the show is different from these, it is still an amazing adaptation. It is a little slower given it's a series, and it does suffer some pacing issues in places, but it's intelligent, vast, and beautifully presented.
They beat famous beats first. Dune inspired a lot of imitators. However, Dune relied on emphasizing what remained that makes it unique. If Luke Skywalker wants off a desert world, then people go, "Duh, who wouldn't?" But when Paul wants to go into a desert, that is intriguing. Also, modern audiences are unfamiliar with the siren's/goddess's/sorceress's call trope, which Chani, who is not a magical character, functions. And while knockoffs, such as Game of Thrones, Star Wars, and Riddick emphasize heroic journeys, Paul is consistently indicated as going on a villain's journey. The visions, the wardrobe, and the fact he is a physical wimp with a keen mind (similar to his forerunner Lex Luthor) all depict him with dread.
Those shows were partially inspired by dune, not knock offs.
The lotr of sifi
Starwars and startrek can rest easy in there graves
I love how they stuck to the main arc of the story and just spared the normal audience the exposition nightmare... New comers to the dune universe will understand the basic human story.. Greed fear treachery love ambition lust for power... Etc you know basic human emotions and motivations.
Its always better to let the characters drive the plot
While die hard fans will understand the little things
Brilliant way to adapt such a lore heavy series
Yes! Exactly this.
Great analysis!!
Wonderful analysis, Rowan. :-)
My dad gave me the first book when I was 13, it was a bit too much for me back then, liked it but struggled. Re read it in my early thirties and loved it, wrote a song and named an album in the band I was in for it.
Took my dad to see it when it was new and we got recliner seats and good coffee for the film. One of my best non parent memories of my entire adult life.
14:02 you know like: The Spiderwick Chronicles, Eragon, Series of unfortunate events, The Percy Jackson Series and countless others that were made and Failed!
LETS DO THAT AGAIN !!!! XD
As much as I thought that the movie lacked the substance a movie deserves (it being a 2.5 hours setup for Part II), the marketing for this movie was truly succesful and I hope more good space opera can come out of it. Great video as always!
I went to the theater to watch it after strong recommendation from a few friends and I was very glad I did. The movie is fantastic, with almost everyone in the cast winning me over in their roles by the end of the film, even Jason Mamoa, who I feel wasn't particularly strong in this movie, did manage to charm me into liking the relationship he had with Paul Atredis. My largest 'complaint' is how boring they made House Harkonnen. Skarsgard is an amazing actor, but they didn't let him do very much, which I feel was to the detriment to the film. Ian McNeice, who played Baron Harkonnen in the Sci Fi miniseries, did a much better job in his portrayal of the Baron, primarily because they gave him ample opportunity to emote on the feud between Harkonnen and Atredis, but a also multiple times explaining the plan and how it was brought to fruition. House Harkonnen as a whole was much better served in the miniseries and if I could beg for some extended scenes it would be for filling in Skarsgard's Harkonnen. Even with that criticism, they certainly did a wonderful job with the looks and I very much enjoyed the creepiness of the grav belt as opposed to how it was portrayed in previous renditions. If there is one perfect casting choice though, it has to be Brolin. I haven't been following any of the hype or trailers or casting choices for dune, so my first impression of Gurney is as seen in the movie, and the moment I saw Brolin it clicked just how perfect he was for the role. Yes it's true he's not book accurate as he's not an ugly lump of a man, but his demeanor and voice just matched the Warmaster perfectly, truly perfection in casting.
After suffering from superhero overload, this was the coolest thing I've seen in a long time. Overall I didn't like 1984 but some of that movie is jaw-dropping, but this new one really hit me in a good way. Not an overblown pew pew shoot em up. Took it's time explaining enough of what we needed.
I didn't recognize anyone in the cast except the guy who was on Stargate: Atlantis
I've been trying to figure out who you sound like, and I finally got it at the end of the video. You sound like Big Clive. Not just the accent, which is close to his, but the timbre and cadence of your speech is very Big Clive.
Also, cool video. I don't really care about this stuff, but I do like listening to people talk at length about Dune (2021).
Never heard of dune before the I saw the trailer a few years ago. But that trailer had me Interested. Did my research and found out it was based on a book. So I read the book and this is the most excited I’ve ever gotten for a movie. I counted down the days till release
Good point about not anchoring the ad campaign around the book. It is based on the book and sticks to it very well, but the book had a surprisingly limited cultural impact worldwide (sci fi just wasn't as widespread back in the mid-60's). So by appealing to how beautiful it would be and how awesome the story was going to be and how amazing the cast looked, they made it more appealing to people who hadn't read the book (which is the majority).
I've waited 40 years for this movie and I'm pretty happy with what I've seen. Good job gentlemen. I know it was tough.
I would like to see this new Dune.
You will not be disappointed.
We can give you half a Dune sir.
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The other half will be in 2023.
I saw this trailer pop up in my recommended way back when it released and I didn't even realize it was a book. The trailer itself pulled me in and I actually ended up reading the book because of it
We need the extended cut of this film. As much as I love the film, I feel AT LEAST 45 minutes of finished material was left out.
Excellent video Rowan, I only hope that the studios will take the right lesson from Dune's success.
i randomly clicked on this video cos Dune (it's superb btw) and now i know about a new Wes Anderson movie that's showing at my local indie cinema.. chairs. have a new follower 😀👍
You need to divide the total sales by the number of books in each series.
This and Quinn's Ideas are my two favourite sci fi channels... any others to recommend, kind UA-cam strangers?
Spacedock is a good friend of this channel :)
Certifiably Ingame is another good one if you like deep dives into fictional cultures. Strong Star Trek focus but branches out to other franchises fairly often.
I can second Rowan's own recommendation for Spacedock, too.
@@WhitzWolf92 Thanks!
@@RowanJColeman Thank you!
If you like Dune, you'll probably like the lore of 40k. I suggest Wolf Lord Rho.
Thank you for your review. I guess I will watch the movie now. I had reservations because the book was so hard to go through for me 😂
Great commentary. Also - I can't help hearing,"I'm Scott Manley... Fly safe"
I read Dune around freshman year at university, about 1965 or 66. I was fascinated by it and read it many times and it is my second favorite book, the first is The Source by Mitchner.
Villeneuve's films have the most rewatchability of any films I have ever seen
Excellent video. Everything about this movie is excellent. The cast, the visuals. The director is one of the most talented of this generation. Even the ornithopters. Previous iterations looked silly but the version in this movie is graceful, beautiful, practical and deadly. Great movie and thank you for another excellent video.
I mean ... they still look silly compared to real world military aircraft we have today ... but ok - I agree it was a great movie xD
I've no idea how they're supposed to work without the wings breaking off, but if you ignore that, the dragonfly design offers better manoeuvrability than a modern combat helicopter.
I would like to add something you did not mention, and I believe it skewed some of your numbers, at least state side.
Dune, the book came out at the "HEIGHT" of the American Library. You didn't buy a book, you checked it out, read it, and returned it. So effectively 400 people could have read it for every single book sold, and that's just what happened and how I read them plural. That being said I do not know of any polling system that rates the popularity of library books, as almost no one even knows what one is anymore. Where you are correct, is this particular fan-base is 40-90 in age, thus "not" the target demographic for most blockbuster movies Marvel being a notable exception, as most of the material came from the 70's to 90's as well. Everything you said about the world building for people who had zero clue what Dune was, is completely spot on.
Venice festival was such a beautiful thing go see. I got so hyped to see the movie!!
Thanks for the recommendation of "Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets".
I was quite nervous about Dune 2021, and when i saw the trailer as awesome as it looked i told myself, this will fly over the mainstream audience heads. Then i remembered how much i loved Denis' Blade Runner 2049 but critics and general audience said it was too slow; so i thought will Villenuve's Dune suffer the same problem? Thankfully it doesn't and has a solid pace. The set design, visuals and action are outstanding. It's a faithful adaptation of Herbert's first novel, first half of it.
And yes the casting for this film really helped the film immensely.