DUNE PART 2 Explained: The Biggest Questions Answered
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- The biggest questions of Dune Part 2 explained. The Dune Part 2 ending and full movie has left fans and viewers with many questions, especially those who haven't read Frank Herbert's science fiction novel. The Dune Part 2 ending, the Water of Life scenes, the Bene Gesserit plan and Alia Atreides are just some of the elements that a Dune Messiah will address. In this breakdown of Denis Villeneuve's Dune Part 2, I've explained all of the biggest questions and things you missed. There are heavy spoilers in this video.
Paul Atreides leads nomadic tribes in a battle to control the desert planet Arrakis. Dune is an upcoming epic science fiction film directed by Denis Villeneuve with a screenplay by Jon Spaihts, Villeneuve, and Eric Roth. The film is an international co-production of Canada, Hungary, the United Kingdom, and the United States. It is the first of a planned two-part adaptation of the 1965 novel of the same name by Frank Herbert, which will cover roughly the first half of the book. The film stars an ensemble cast including Timothée Chalamet, Rebecca Ferguson, Oscar Isaac, Josh Brolin, Stellan Skarsgård, Dave Bautista, Stephen McKinley Henderson, Zendaya, David Dastmalchian, Chang Chen, Sharon Duncan-Brewster, Charlotte Rampling, Jason Momoa, and Javier Bardem.
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0:00 Intro
1:27 Dune Part 2 Ending Explained: What It Means For Dune Messiah
6:11 The Fremen And Arrakis Paradise Explained
8:50 The Bene Gesserit Plan Explained
11:20 Geidi Prime Black And White Explained
13:09 Feyd Rautha Details Explained
15:05 Why Paul Changes And The Water Of Life Explained
20:00 Alia Atreides And Time Jump Explained
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DUNE PART 2 Explained: The Biggest Questions Answered - Розваги
Here's my breakdown discussing the biggest questions from Dune Part 2. In this video, I expand on details from my breakdown the other day. Here's a link to that video: ua-cam.com/video/Irwa2CDFZ_4/v-deo.html
what about the human spider thing?
One clarification... neither Paul or Feyd (as a suggested backup) was meant to be the Kwisatz Haderach. The Bene Gesserit plan called for Jessica to have a daughter first that would have been paired with a Harkonnen male (likely Feyd) to produce the kwisatz haderach in the next generation.
One Question though. I thought Paul was NOT the Kwisatz Haderach but like he himself said "something else". Or did i misunderstand something? Him saying that implies that he can "see" the real Kwisatz Haderach, no?
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@@haltdeinmaul507The Kwisatz Haderach was a manifestation of the Bene Gesserits , who wanted to control him. Their breeding plan was meant to produce something they could control but Paul was more than they bargained for and uncontrollable. Because of his extensive training with the masters and his mother his mind and body were more powerful than they ever imagined. He, “was something else”.
NO! The biggest question, how did the luggage get on the back of the worms??
Or how they even dismount from the worms at all, especially with all that luggage!
The worms get tired after a while and stop. I guess that's when they load/unload the luggage.
Maybe it's a lazy older kinder worm that they call in the event of moving house? 😁
😂😂😂
They steer the worms into rocky ground so they’re forced to stop… as seen when they raid the Emperor’s mobile palace
Oh man… when the old lady Reverend mother dies and says, what have we done, she is not worried for the life of the baby, but she feels that they have committed some kind of spiritual crime. So dark.
Good point. That baby is crazy smart and has powers now
Absolutely. There has been many candidates throughout her life who have lost their lives to this seremony, she wouldn't be to emphatetic if it didn't mean they have kind of wakened a line of monsters. Which they had.
She saw a glimpse of whats to come, and realize they’ve lost and all they have worked for was in vain, for they created what they sought to avoid
Abomination.
They have created a powerful entity that is susceptible to possession of her ancestors. One of those ancestors includes the baron harkonnen.
Feyd was so sadistic, yet in the end at his death by the blade.he still reserved respect for paul. Interesting.
He is psychotic, yes, but completely honorbound to the way of the blade duelist. He has yet to meet an equal, and facing Paul brings that fear to him all too fast with which in his own mind, he knows should be revered. He knows he is equally matched, which is why he obliges the duel.
Hes a gladiator. He loves the thrill n maybe sorta sought out that one other maybe just like him. Idk. U cant help but respect something or someone that has the edge on u in what ur badass at
A departure from the book, but a decent one. It replaces all of the subplots of the fake gladiator plot and his hidden blade and his stopping word, etc.
@@robkoper841yeah how much of a cheat can you be.
When he fought in the arena he didn’t want the guards or whatever those were to intervene. He wanted the fair fight. But it does contradict from the other drugged fighters
That black & white sequence was incredible!
Honestly, I love Villeneuve's changes. It's clear that he loves the source material, but he's also a good director. And a good director knows where the source material just doesn't work in a movie. For example, leaving the time skip in the movie would ruin the pacing completely. I think the story is so much better when told from the beginning to end with no weird jumps.
Feyd Ruatha is my fav character in this movie. Austin nailed it.
I didn't like his voice, he sounded too much like his uncle lol, I understand he was trying to have the same voice and why, just wish it was a bit more different, otherwise great performance
I mean, it was solid, but people are acting like this cat is Darth Vader. He wasn't better than Majors as Kang but he was good.
he wasn't very good. not really much of a bad ass or anything, just a dude with a rubber cap. Nothing scary like Dave Bautista. The guy fights in arena with people that have been drugged already. just don't get it?
I got Feyds operator bundle on Modern Warfare 3 because I thought he was such an awesome psycho baller in the movie.
Resurrect him in the 3rd movie I don't care how.
I like feyd as someone who read the book this feud was good but I just wish he was more clever than brute. And he’s one of the only harkonen with hair lol. But all in all it wasn’t bad and is voice was a lil off.
What makes the Geidi Prime color being infrared even cooler is that the color was all done COMPLETELY in camera. That white and black is fully in camera and NOT VFX or CGI. So where Oppenheimer used some B&W film as well as CGI to turn color film to black and white. For this, Villanuve used an actual infrared camera that captured that dark black and milk whites. Whats also cool is that there is a very good chance too that the actual costumes in the film were most likely NOT black either as black wouldnt show up as just black like that. Which is all insane too when you realize, doing it this way means that once it shot, thats what you've got. So if for whatever reason it comes out bad or not used, thats a whole lot of money for the costumes, makeup, the set and so on for something you cant change. Its such a cool idea to use infrared instead of trying to do it with cgi or just using black and white. The extreme difference from the pure black all the way to pure white is something B&W film could never do and cgi would be difficult. Such a great movie.
Oppenheimer was filmed on B&W film, Kodak even made a special film specifically for the B&W scenes in Oppenheimer
They would of tested how it looked before wasting money on a whole scene of it. But I didn’t know they shot it like that. Looked stellar.
@Hendy101 lol oh definitly, they did a lot of testing but at the end of the day testing also using the same film as the actual shooting the movie does. It's just a hard thing to justify to Producers who only hear the word money and ignore the art. So I was so glad they were able to use the infrared and get everything in camera. Love when some cool trippy effect is done without cgi. 😍
Credit should go to Greg Frasier (DP). He came up with the idea to use infrared.
It's a bold move for sure. But it really panned out. I've had the opportunity to play with IR and UV filters on a DSLR camera. It's amazing how alien the world looks. The cool implication is that it suggests the Harkonnens can see into the infrared spectrum with their naked eye. I feel like it contributes to their menacing visage, having both low-light vision like a nocturnal hunter, AND heat vision like the Predator.
Austin Butler is a SUPERSTAR. He nailed it
He died tho. Not so superstar
He definitely stole the show!
He was good in zombieland but corny and cheesy in Batman v Superman.
Sting was awesome too in Dune 1984! 😂
@@keekaleikaiyou might be thinking of Jessie Eisenberg.
I’m happy they didn’t do the baby dying plot line and that Paul’s sister wasn’t a walking talking genius toddler. Good calls. I really like how they added a feudal element to the Fremen, the south vs north was both realistic and helped add some comic warmth to a very serious film
Disagree with your first point, I think it’s too major of a point in the story and would’ve had greater impact but for movie time sake and storytelling I understand why denis made the change.
I like the changes to Chani. In the movie format there's a danger that some viewers might not get the evil of the hero worship and fanaticism and just think he's a really cool dude. She pretty much exists to stand there and hammer this into the audiences head.
I think Kwizach Haderach is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills Harkonnen and doesn’t afraid of anything.
movie Chani is her own person, as opposed to book Chani who basically only existed to be Paul's romantic partner.
Ah yes, she's a good character because the audience is too stupid to realize the obvious issues with Paul becoming a religious icon leading millions of fanatics. Great reasoning.
@@epiphany271Being too stupid to realise the problems with Paul becoming a fanatical leader is EXACTLY why Chani being written that way would have made her a bad character.
It's redundant in the context of this likely being a trilogy. How can you have the emotional weight and discovery that "Things have gotten out of control" by undercutting it with beating the message over the head of the audience? Taking solely the actions of Part 2 and the original, you can justify everything Paul has done up to this point, especially given the final fight is him acting "honorably"(from the bystanders perspective) and putting his own life on the line. It's hard to pull the "we've gone too far" card when things are just getting started.
Feyd Rautha is not a backup for Paul Atreides, he was to be bred with Duke Leto's child who was to be female. Jessica conceived a male heir for Leto as that was what he desperately wanted. The product of the Feyd and Leto's female child was the intended Kwisatz Haderach.
The infrared scene felt so brutal and oppresive to me.
Incredible film. I would have liked the complete book dialogue between Paul and The Mother Superior. Paul’s lines were epic and ‘SILENCE’ was just a tease!!
"Try your tricks on me, old witch?” Paul said. "Where's your gom jabbar?
Try looking into that place where you dare not look! You'll find me there staring out at you!"
The old woman dropped her gaze.
"Have you nothing to say?" Paul demanded.
omg yes also the part where he leaves her alive as punishment. that would have been very cool to watch
Man the movie is almost 3hrs long yet feels short. These movies need to have the " Dipshit Cut" n the Extended badass cut for true fans" lol
@@user-te3no8lc3h It was a quick 3 hours. I think they probably could have gotten away with 4.
@@user-te3no8lc3h They could make the movie 6 hours long and I probably wouldn't have known.
1984 Dune did that better
I got a fever! And the only prescription.... is more spice! -The Emperor
hahaha! I understood that reference.
Hahaha! I got it too!
He really was more of a distraction than blending into his role. All I saw was cowbell
🕺 😊
Bravo, this is so amazingly witty
In the end, as much as Denis adores the book, he knows that his ultimate goal is to make a proper film. The choices worked and I venture to say that some of the choices are better than the novel.
Definitely better choices on the character side. Chani having more character as well as being a way to hammer in the fact Paul is taking an awful path to the audience is great.
Except for the plot hole that the BG would have killed the KH breeding program entirely by having Leto killed...
Completely spoiled for me with the complete contempt for proper desert precautions. Bare faces in the desert wasn't necessary and utterly robbed the desert of its proper impact.
Feyd in 84: the character that you knew was insane but you knew what to expect
Feyd in 24: the character that you know is still insane but completely unexpected
Did anyone else think feyds first line in the movie sounded like elvis😂
He had southern undertones
Count Hasimir Fenring, not in the movie, was the husband of Lady Margot Fenring and the only real friend of the emperor (from childhood). He was also a failed attempt in the BG plan for a Kwisatz Haderach (genetic eunuch).
The most dangerous man in the universe. What a great character. But we got Chanis nameless girlfriend with multiple speaking lines. Smh.
I respect the changes Villeneuve does, and would just give him and the screenplay writer all the glory they deserve. They are still very faithful to the original material, to the original sense of the books. God I love it when we finally got the movies they deserve, even though I am sad that Alejandro Jodorowsky's Dune never succeeded. I can see both Jodorowskys and Gigers gigant impact in the movies outfits and arcitecture. Great video.
Alejandro jodorowski what year was it made. I've only heard of the David Lynch one.
@@graxo3752 it wasn't, he wanted, got some concept arts, but in the end it didn't happen. If you want another take there was Sci-Fi channel mini-series Dune (2000) and Children of Dune (2003), basically covers first 3 books, 3 episodes each
@@graxo3752 references to Jodorowski's unfinished project can be seen in other Dune-related videos...a vision of the late sixties, I believe, and so ambitious that it could never be realised. Perhaps a little research might land some rushes from the original work. I'd be curious to see a sampling of what was attempted.
@@graxo3752 I highly recommend the document Jodorowsky's Dune where he himself explains the story and the project. His drawings inspired the costumes in Villeneuve's film, it's very surrealistic. The document is actually here on UA-cam. :)
Bare faces in the desert? I carefully didn't reread the books but I think there's a scene where Paul&Jessica are mocked for walking exactly like Chani and Paul do.
Chani never got on the worm… it's not clear that she's actually left, just struggling. Denis set it so that it was possible she could wrestle with herself at the beginning of next movie. She's nothing if not a Fedaykin, and Fedaykin go where they're led. for their people.
Paul says she will eventually get over it, he's seen it in his visions
@1neOfN0ne that doesn't at all mean she's leaving for any extended amount of time, does it? it's all suggestion. we're left believing one thing, but that isn't what we were actually shown. it was just a suggestion. brilliant imho.
in the books she's kinda forced to her path and I think it will be similar what happened to Paul: she has to make a decision.
You all know she is coming back, stop it
@pedropierre9594 i don't want to! lol this movie is so much fun to talk about 😃 why else would i type into a comments section about a fictional thing?? Denis and the Dune crew is amazing and a wonder to enjoy!
Overall part 2 was great, especially on IMAX, but with a slight disappointment with the removal of Thufir Hawat. I really loved watching how the 2 mentats work in part 1. Loved Feyd, Margo Fenring and Irulan. Looking forward to your next video on the difference between the book and the movie, thank you
Agree! I was expected a quick cameo in the end but it is what it is :(
I think that the decision to remove all mentats (except Paul, maybe he still is?) is a bold choice. It removes a lot of people's favorite part, but it also shows how they have departed from logic, there is nothing intelligent about Harkonnen rule, they just rule through power and fear, while a mentat who looks at the Fremen could see through Paul and Jessica's manipulation.
@@ashthewitch2784 I am only half way through book 1 and yet to read the rest they have left out. I really loved the mentats. It's such a shame they left them out in part 2 movie.
@@ruby2411 The good news is that, without spoilers, Messiah has a mentat who is needed for the story and him being a mentat is critical so we likely haven't seen the end of mentats.
They did such a fantastic job making the Harkin feel so alien to me and of course, if this civilization is 20,000 years in the future, they would feel alien to us and watching them under the black sun. They legit felt alien barely human I was all struck. No other movie has made me feel that feeling to give humans so advanced that they feel alien to us.
Agreed.Creepy beyond belief. Can't wait for it to come out on streaming so I can buy it and watch it 2000 times on mushrooms :)
The real question is how do they get off the worm??
Exactly. Thank you! Lol😂
In the books they just jump off the sides into the sand. Also the first rider is the last one off 👍
I was waiting for the emperor to say “where is that floating fat man?”. But it never happened😮
Yeah when Ferrer dropped that "Why have you (the Baron) brought me here?" line, it was so good that I didn't care if it was in the book...
@@robkoper841 I Loved the Baron from Lynch's Dune..he had so much more charisma than this version.. my humble opinion
😂😂🤣🤣
@@robkoper841 Bring In Feyd And Rabban
Floating
Feyd’s cannibal harem freaked me out 🙀
it so muche worse in the book 🤢. Baron is also a ra*ist, who was even interested in Paul. They are opera-like baddies.
I want a whole movie just taking place on their home world. It's epically brutal. Just crazy. Loved that whole part of the movie.
@@graxo3752I don’t, Giedi Prime culture is not somethingI want a 4K experience of. Sadistic freaks is what they are
They were 🔥
That scene must have bn my toilet break...
Wouldn't it be funny if when the Harkonnens came to other planets that didn't have a black sun, and thus had a full color spectrum, they're all wearing a bunch of crazy colors that don't match. They're all dressed like a bunch of clowns.
I love Villeneuve's vision-- so very elegant. I tend to disagree with the author of this video over the depiction of Paul's sister Alia in the previous film adaptation of Dune as being "silly". Awkward, certainly, were some moments for the far-too-young actress employed. But the one scene of Alia in the ecstasy of bloodlust at the Jihad's beginning...absolutely spot-on, and the unforgettable image of an ancient soul within a child's body. Needless to say, though, this video is excellent, as is Denis' fully-realised vision of Dune. This is, without doubt, the adaptation for which we have been waiting.
wow did this movie go for it! Havent seen a swing this hard in a while. Really glad I go to see it in IMAX too, the music and sound mix were amazing.
That was great and thank you very much❤
Arrakis teaches the attitude of the knife - chopping off what's incomplete and saying: 'Now, it's complete because it's ended here.'
- from "Collected Sayings of Maud'Dib'' by the Princess Irulan
GREAT BREAKDOWN MATE 🔥
Appreciate it man!
I saw DUNE 2 early today 🤩
This Movie is an Automatic Lock for Best Picture 💖🏆 🎥
Relax, it’s great but no best picture.
That's not how it works my guy😂
I love who they chose for Lady Margot. That story line was wild.
Check out the last two bond movies. She's fantastic in them
Well done. I saw the film (for a first time) on Thursday and was mildly surprised at SOME of the changes, though by no means did they upset me: no book purist here!
Miraculously, my overall sense is that they somehow managed to reassemble a lot of the key pieces they tore out from the first book (along with added bits - as visions - from some MUCH later books) in a way that left the family members I was with (none of whom have read even the first book) still making sympathetic excuses for Paul, notwithstanding all the visual and dramatic "Anakin vibes" he gave off in the third act...
The "Messiah" film to come will surely put an end to THAT!
I'm convinced we can expect Villeneuve to serve up the full "modern Greek tragedy" of Dune in his "Messiah". I heard someone on UA-cam quoting from Frank Herbert something to the effect that the difference between a hero and an antihero is where you stop telling the story.
Herbert might have gone on to say that this also applies to the difference between an anti-hero (that audiences can at least relate to) and a tragic victim destroyed by a curse of the gods.
The Emperor and the Sardukar were barely an inconvenience
That’s more to showcase how savage and capable the Fremon are in combat.
Super easy
I need you to get all the way off my back on this one
I think it just highlights the Sardukar becoming too arrogant and losing their edge. The fremen are battle tested and live in a harsh environment so it makes sense theyd “fight like demons”.
Dune isn't about battles and fighting, thats why.
The blue eyeballs are unsettling
I liked that instead of Paul realising that he can't prevent the jihad, in the film he actively gives the order to start it. This will definetly back up his regret of his decisions in Messiah
Like jamis told him “you need to get up on high ground so you can see everything” Paul realizes that everything around him is already in motion and he makes a hasty decision to drink the water. Only then he sees the narrow path realizing no matter what the holy war would’ve happened anyways but now he sees clearly what must be done in order to ultimately save humanity as a whole but sadly Paul is young and naive and becomes haunted by his foresight and eventually is consumed with regret but luckily it’s his son that makes the sacrifice to go down the ‘golden path’ even though that’s pretty questionable as well…
Paul in the films has already saved Chani from the events of Dune Messiah. He did this by taking the water of life two years earlier. And thereby turning Chani against him. Saving her from dying in childbirth. We see him observing the visions of their timeline from the books. And has chosen another path where Chani is safe.
That's my theory anyway. THIS Paul had read the books in these visions we see. Which is why he's sad. He knows she will come to understand it one day. But she will never become his concubine.
She's now the anti-Paul character. He knew the only way to save her, was to make her hate him. And part 3 is a mystery now.
Paul already saw she will come around, this may refer to a time after the film. I think she will die with the children in messiah, the way she did in the book
@@Furudal all us book lovers had the same cope reaction the first time we saw it. But look again. That isn't it at all. "She'll come to understand. I've seen it." Said with all the enthusiasm of someone with chronic depression.
We all wanted that to mean "she'll come around." But that isn't it at all. She'll understand one day. That he did it to save her from her fate in the books.
This is not the same Paul. He intentionally turned Chani against him. She's gone. No concubine. No jihad. No twins. No dying in childbirth. He sacrificed her love to save her life.
She'll be a wildcard in part 3. Her divergence from the book events will make the next chapter a mystery. Chani has most likely has gone to rally the remaining Freman holdouts. And will probably be the leader of all the Freman who want to keep the desert dry in part 3.
@@carpeimodiemeverybody is entitled to their oppinion
your oppinion sounds like a knee jerk reaction to something you did not like in the film. "If he messed up what I had liked to see, he certainly will mess up everything else!" I see little purpose in going your way.
Noticed how we did NOT see Chani getting on the worm at the end?
@@Furudal no my knee jerk reaction to what I didn't like was just being upset at how much they changed Chani from the book. It's really awful writing for her new arc and dialogue.
The scene where Paul takes the water of life, Chani's reaction dialogue was just trash. Jessica "YOU fix it!" She said, like a spoiled teenage character from HBO's Euphoria. About her "soul mate" as he lay dying.
The fact that Jessica had to use the voice, but only had to say "do it!" with no further instructions whatsoever is pretty wild. She then slaps Paul upon waking. Because heeee's ok?? "Everyone's crazy." And "everyone's evil." But she just watched her man rise from the dead.
The only man in history to ever survive the water of life. Because she completed a prophecy with her tear and a drop of worm poison. The most incredible, mystical thing any Freman have ever seen and she's immediately so sour that she slaps Paul after understanding that he's perfectly fine. And not even a little bit sick or insane. "As written."
And she hates it because... drum roll... because he was born on Caladan! That's it. That's the problem for movie Chani. How silly. Such silly behavior and dialogue.
But I backed away. Did some basic screen writing math. And figured out what DV was trying to do with these changes. Why he would make such drastic to Chani. And it's really not that complicated.
DV is trying to make a film trilogy, by his own admission, which covers a complete arc for Paul. With no interest in Children of Dune or any other books. Which means he needs to make Dune Messiah feel like the end of the story. And the book Dune Messiah doesn't feel like an end of anything. There's no closure. It's a very strange place to refinish a storyline. And that's why Chani was changed so dramatically from the books.
Chani is now the film face of the anti-Paul Freman rebellion in Dune Messiah. Which is an important part of the story. But Denis doesn't have time to introduce new characters, which don't mean anything to anyone.
Only two Freman characters mean anything to the audience. Chani and Stilgar. And they are now the opposing figures for the Freman people. Stilgar represents those who follow Paul as their messiah, who want Arrakis to be transformed into a green paradise. And Chani represents the Freman who want Arrakis to be left alone. Who want to keep the desert dry and the worms happy.
The key is to start at the end and work backwards. Denis wants the audience to have closure with the third film. No clif hangers for Children of Dune. So that means no preborn twins. So that means no Chani Concubine. So what else can Chani represent in the story? The face of the anti-Paul Freman rebellion. DV sets this all up in part 2 by changing the Freman culture from the books, so it's divided by northern and southern tribes.
Then he changes Chani to a skeptic from the north. Then he changes her faithful father to a woman character of no relation to Chani in part 1. Then he changes Chani to turn against Paul after a few months of being together. So they don't spend the other two years in a relationship. They don't have a child together in Part 2. And it's over before it gets too deep. And before she starts to believe Paul is the real deal messiah. So they sped up the timeline. And so she reminds the audience every 10 minutes how much she hates the prophecy. How much she hates her secret name. How the prophecy is a trick to enslave the Freman. How they use it to control her people. But apparently that only mostly works in the south. Until Paul starts to fulfill the prophecy and convert everyone in the movie except for Chani. And the more he does, the madder she gets.
Paul can see the future. And now he is absolutely fearful and depressed and sad and defeated about all the ways he can lose Chani. By dying in combat, by dying in child birth, by hating him for becoming the Messiah. He does see the visions of Chani from the books. Where she is with him in black ceremonial garb. Commanding the holy war side by side. And we know how that ends in the books. So many ways to lose her.
So which does he choose? He chooses to piss her off and turn her against him. How does he do this? By taking the water of life two years earlier than in the book. Before they have (and lose) a child together. And she becomes his ride-or-die queen like in Dune Messiah, and dies. He avoids all of that by speeding up the timeline. And also keeping her away from the great jihad.
He's sad. And defeated. He knows it's the only way to save her. He tells her he will do what must be done. With no reassurance to her that it'll be what she wants it to be.
The final moment of the film is not about whether or not she gets on a worm. That book fan projection. Anyone going into those films totally green will tell you what that last scene asks. "What is she going to do to stop Paul almighty?" What's her next move? She's the only one we see who believes he is a total fraud. That should be exposed. It's a strange change from the book. But it is what it is. She is the ultimate woman scorned. And hell hath no fury like Chani on her way out of town... Close up on mad Chani face.
@carpeimodiem I think u r turning dune into the matrix, into neo - trinity's saga..
the matrix borrowed from the dune, not the other way around..
If what u say happens, it will be an insult to the spirit of dune..
Paul is a prophet who is supposed to be more concerned about humanity's future, fremen's future, than his family or lovers......
Loved your point about Jessica compelling Chani being really her way of compelling her to participate in the propaganda. It does absolutely emphasize the tragedy that she and paul and other characters have little choice when faced with Bene Gesserit power.
Now, I've read the books multiple times. Seen the adaptations. And I gotta say: I LOVED the changes in these films. Loved the choices! It's a different medium, Denis and his team are great storytellers, and we always have the books. These films made superb narrative choices. Time jumps are always sort of annoying to me in film. The fact that DV was able to include so much from the book without major time jumps was so impressive to me. And having Alia speak from the future in Paul's vision: visionary. I am so glad to have some novelty. And character development (Film-Chani is a full fledged human being with thoughts and agency, which is what we all deserve). Now that we have the absolutely brutal scene where Paul kills the Baron, I can't imagine a world without it! Lol. Overall, I think the bold changes enhance the film experience. Loved it. And I trust in whatever changes are needed to adapt Messiah because 1. We getting a Messiah film adaptation! From Denis Villeneuve. Nuff said. 2. Some things in Messiah need to be changed lol.
This movie was a bad adaptation. It barely touches the deep philosophy of the books and I don't even know why they kept the part about Paul seeing the future when it was basically only used as a plot device for keeping him from his fate. It's no better than a darker star wars. Nothing more to it than that.
Couldnt agree more about the changes for a different medium. Im a reader of the books and I don't get the hate towards some of the changes made. Like 1 or 2 of them I understand, but to made a better adaptation that stays in the world he put to screen in part 1, most of the changes enhanced the piece as a cinematic film.
Absolutely! I think you are right: I think he will closely track Messiah (I don't think we're going fully off the rails here), especially because he says he loves that book. But I definitely think he has set up some interesting drama that can exist within the story of Messiah, just as the drama here fit in with the second half of the first book.
The worst part is the agonizing wait! But just like Part 1, it's going to be fun to watch Part 2 again and again.
I honestly felt the pacing of the movie was way too fast. I think that Dune Part 2 needed it's own Part 2. This film should have been more about Paul learning the ways of the desert and fighting the Harkonnens, as well as giving more substance and believability to Paul and Chani's relationship. And we wouldn't just focus on Paul, but we'd also take the time to explore Jessica and how she converts Sietch Tabr to the prophecy, her growing powers and connection to her daughter, and make us care for the city as a whole. And we'd also give Feyd-Rautha more screentime and show more of Giedi Prime and how he's a psychopath and how he succeeds in countering the Fremen where Rabban failed. Dune Part 2 as I see it, would have ended with Paul's decision to go South.
Then we open with Part 3 and that movie plays more into the revelation that Jessica is Baron Harkonnen's daughter, that Paul has Harkonnen blood because it needed to be handled better than just a couple of one-off lines. There should have been more focus on what the Water of Life did to Paul, more visions now that he can see them coherently, and his exploitation and taking control of the Fremen. The manipulations of the Fundamentalists and Paul and Chani falling out of love with each other. A better build up to the final confrontation, a more coherent final battle with the Sardaukar and later Feyd-Rautha. Also I wouldn't have cast Christopher Walken as the Emperor and would have instead cast Willem Dafoe. That way there's actual energy to the role instead of an old man in a nursing home gown looking like he wandered onto the movie set.
That way the entire first book is a trilogy. I've seen it said that my ideas would make the movies too slow and plodding for the runtime, but this is just an overview of the ideas. DV and Jon Spaights would be able to make it interesting but from the narrative and visual perspective. And then with the first book being a trilogy, that allows a relative open slate going forward into Dune Messiah and Children of Dune.
But hey, even if DV had to include the weirdness with Jessica talking to Alia at least he didn't have Alia as barely a toddler waddle out and end the movie by screaming 'KWISATZ HADERACH'.
I agree. Hopefully, we will get an extended cut one day.
well said
Totally agreed. But its all about money n if anyone could do it right its denis. Its like no matter what these movies r a disappointment ..theyre good but theres just so much more potential. Like i thought it moved too fast. One second paul n chani r connecting the next theyre obviously a full fledged couple talking bout how pauls mom is all weirded out like the chick from " the mist" lol. I woulda liked to c pauls visions after the WOL etc
wonderfully written, i agree on all terms
Yeah I didn’t even notice that he was the emperor
I really wish the director would have recreated the scene in which the guild navigator visits the emperor. I would have loved to see what he envisioned for the guild navigators beyond how they were shown in the first movie...
So how did feyd find sietch tabr? (Having only seen the movie once, i cant remember) And what exactly is the significance of the one woman left there after the evacuation?
Rabban found the Sietch from what I understood.
He was ambushed by Muad'dib and his army after landing to confront him in a state of rage.
Feyd goes to then use artillery to finish the job Rabban failed with a calm demeaner.
All of denis changes stay pretty close to the book and are well done for the movie except leaving chani and Paul’s baby out,I feel that would’ve had greater impact and keep the audience on Paul’s side but still question his motives
One question i have is this: the fremen are flying out of space to fight the great houses. Are they familiar with space battles? Do they know how to fly those ships?
Same , how are a few million dudes gonna fight the whole universe
They're not really fighting space battles. The Guild still has their monopoly on space travel. They're just transporting the Fremen to planets and the Fremen are gonna fight a ground war.
I love how you write
This whole movie tripped me out. 😂
I really preferred the way Paul killed Vladimir in the film. It made so much more sense to me than to have a murderous sentient toddler pop up out of nowhere…
She didn’t show up out of nowhere. The sardukar captured her after they raided the sietch, and she started tormenting everyone because a pre-born is seen as an abomination by the bene gesserit
I wasn't familiar with Austin Butler until I watched Masters of the Air recently. Holy cow that guy is a talented actor; to go from Gale to the Harkkonen in Dune is nuts.
Excellent movies beautifully done. Now like after I watched the first movie I couldn't wait to see the second now I wait for the 3rd with more excitement.
The only deviation that is not understandable is the omission of the guild as this faction is the only faction you have to gain control of in order to "win". That is the reason that Paul is only riding alongside in the book as the fremen would eventually understand that they have the guild in hand when they have full control of the spice.
paul controls the spice , therefore he controls the guild. he can nuke the spice fields and the guild is pretty much done
@@aliali-ce3yf And so is Paul. What is your point? The only reason the plot happens is because of the spice. Spice is gone, they might as well nuke the planet and go back to having no interstellar travel. Who gives a f anymore? ALso, in DV's universe, there is no guild and spice is apparently not that important since the houses don't seem to care about it that much.
The guild does exist. There are envoys of them during the ceremony in the first movie. The conversation between Leto and Thufir also mentioned that ceremony bringing 3 navigators. But I agree that they should have added some focus on them or at least emphasized their importance and existence.
Alia, NOT of the Knife.
Also, Rabban's death was cheesy and cliche.
Still, in comparison to the other versions, it is by far the best to date. Villeneuve somehow managed to water down the story, without diluting it. This is an impressive achievement in itself. That story demands at least another 3 hours of screen time in order to fully do it justice. Then again, having read the books multiple times, I am totally biased.
We are looking at the 2nd movie adaptation that will be on par or come close to Peter Jackson's LOTR trilogy.
Nah
Nothing comes close to LOTR, its in a league of its own, even how good this film was, theres no way
No, dune part 2 is a little overrated
Apparently Tolkien had some things to say about Frank Herbert? My friend was telling me after the film. Tolkien wanted to create a mythology for the British/ English, since they didn't really have one. Whereas Dune is a sort of Asimov-like foundation-ish wiki of a universe playing out
@slomnim Tolkein didn't like the lack of heart in Dune, the blurred lines between good and evil. Tolkein's characters will die fighting before making an immoral choice. Herbert has colder characters who act more selfishly. Night and day imo
i'm so tired of people complaining about changes from the book and what was and wasn't included. denis and co have do for dune with jackson did for lord of the rings, imo.
20:01 Man, she's incredible. I don't think Rebecca Ferguson gets enough credit.
1) Why is the Emperor, a senile grandpa?
2) Why do nuclear weapons not cause any fallout?
3) How did Gourney Halleck survive for so ling working with Harkonens, he was one of the top sought for Atreides for sure.
He said he was a smuggler, explains how he flew under the radar.
@@Romo69 yeah what a vague explanation. And the rest?
The nuclear weapons they use might be fusion and not fission, though they call them "atomics" that might just be a term they use for all nuclear weapons.
But fusion (also called hydrogen bombs) don't leave much fallout since they only use a small fission warhead to initiate fusion of hydrogen.
Maybe they created a pure hydrogen fusion bomb and that would create no fallout at all.
Movie of the year easily
DUNE: ...a universe reigned by psychic psychopaths....
I think that’s just the story of humanity
@@larryhader5695 Except the psychic part.
DUNE: ...a universe reigned by psychedelics-addicted psychic psychopaths...
DUNE:…a universe reigned by worm blood psychedelics addicted psychopaths
Just like today
Anya taylor joy should have been cast as Princess Irulan
Was a kickass flick!!! Gotta see it on the big screen people!!
Definitely big screen worthy!
bro there are too many dune videos in the desciption i couldnt choose
Nice video, do you think that we will see again the stunning golden armor soldiers (in Power Rangers style helmet) we saw in Paul's dream in the part one? The where fighting in Arrakis but rejoicing in Caladan!
In the book, a single drop of the worm bile causes Paul to go into a 3 week coma. I don't remember it taking that long in Dune 2 the movie. I have only seen it once, though. Perhaps I am mistaken. But IIRC Paul was only in the coma for a short time before coming out of it with the help of a tear from Chani -- in the latest movie.
Personally, I would avoid standing within arm's reach of a Harkonnen leader.
💯 They are like Hannibal Lector when he is hangry. Run don’t walk.
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Yes,he is like, stab stab stab!!! These might need to be adjusted some.
My only gripe with the movie is that i wish they handled paul more subtly. Like it would have been nice to hear more inner monologue of him knowing that he is failing at stopping genocide. Other than that the movies are so good and handled with such respect towards the books
I loved the movie.
Jamis being called Jamieson really confused me for while there
Question for the book readers:
I‘ve heard many times that its the fremens holy war. But why? Isnt it paul pushing them into this war? What do the fremen care about the empire? And why a holy war?
The religious dogma plus he promised to make Arrakis green. Religion teaches a point it is beyond control
The ending was a bit of a shock, but as I think of the original version, I know it will work out between Paul and Chani.
at the end of the movie, it shows the Fremen launching ships to attack the Great Houses - who's ships are these and how do the fremen know how to operate them? if they're the emperor's ships with the emperor's soldiers operating them, why don't they rebel against the Fremen knowing that the Great Houses are coming to back them up?
The Spacing Guild has a monopoly on space travel in the universe, which Muad'Dib and the Fremen would have complete control over after holding all of the Spice fields hostage seeing as the Guild requires Spice to navigate the stars. They would be operating everything in regards to space travel. Not only that, they will actively transport factions that oppose one another in the same ship and impose crippling sanctions for those who fight one another while in transit.
It's unfortunate that all of the economics were pretty much cut but I understand why they did it. There will probably be some exposition dump at the start of Messiah in this regard to help fill in holes and show the importance of the Spacing Guild.
Sorry if it was hyperbolic and you already knew ^^;
@@kslart8174 The biggest chance is that the ending is simply a bad ending. It does not make sense, because it is simply bad. Your rationalization is just a guess you are making to make DV look better. The Spacing GUild is absent in DV's version and the importance of spice does not really come through, especially in the 2nd movie. You have no idea why the thing is that important.
And actually, the houses should simply destroy all the Fremens and their ships immediately. How can Paul wage a war against all the houses without any sort of preparation. Makes no sense.
In the books, the Jihad happens slowly with each planet of the houses being taken over one by one. It is not an all out intergalactic war.
@@Alnivol666 And you are making assumptions based on nothing. I didn't like the ending either and I'm certainly not a DV dickrider.
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@3:53 I would argue Paul isn't recklessly pursuing power. Literally quite the opposite. At least that's how I felt with the big screen adaptation.
I believe it's lanville from when they land in arakeen he's a head of the troop leaving caladan to arakeen Duncan lands and Paul's speaks about deam he just has hair now.
It is yes!
There was a scene of him being tortured by piter that was cut from first movie.
You are explaining plot points and exposition that are only glancingly referred to by Villeneuve. A huge part of the books is the conversations that Jessica and Paul have with their ancestors after the Water of Life ritual. And the whole reason the Kwisatz Haderach is a super being is that he can access the male line as well as the female. Almost all of that is absent from the movie. Also where is the Spice Orgy? That was so important for the Fremen, that feeling of purpose and its benefit to strengthen genetic diversity.
Am i the only one that thought that the "fireworks" were repurposed missiles that explode they way they do upon slamming in the Holtzmann field
To everyone asking "how do they get out of the sand worm??": they can control where to direct the worms (that's the whole point of riding them), and thus, they can direct the worms to stop. once the worm is still, they can get off the worm.
I dont get why jessica said you chose the wrong side.
Seems very odd and out if character compared to the book. Also not sure why bene gesderit would try to get rid if house attreides
Also the baron seems less psychopathic and intelligent in this film
Head cannon incoming.
The way I read it was that when Jessica chose to give Leto a son, she believed that her son could be the Kwisatz Haderach. This is why she taught him the Bene Geserit ways.
The original plan was for Jessica to bear Leto a daughter, the Harkonnens to bear Feyd Rautha, and the product of that relationship being the Kwisatz Haderach.
The artredies/harkonnen conflict on dune was meant to create a situation where the two houses were to make a peace treaty through the marriage between Feyd and Leto's daughter.
No space guild? No Weirding Way?
I missed the part where the Bene created the prophecy.. which is an incredibly important fact that isn't brought up often enough. If you don't realize the prophecy is fake/planted, it just seems like Paul is Jesus/Dr. Strange and sees the one way things have to happen.
Think about it. The baby is awake with all the powers of a Reverand Mother, and all the lives inside her head. Now imagine some child using the voice on others. Talk about scary.
Paul is not the God king! Chani DIES giving birth to twins. One of which (Leto) will become the God King.
in the books, yeah. these movies are a different story... perhaps there will be no kids and Paul will lean in completely to the kwisatz haderach role. we'll see.
Yea that’s not until part 3 at the very least lol…
Christoper walked as the emperor was a miscast for me. I just can’t take his line delivery seriously with his accent. But movie was amazing nonetheless
Yep. Hes almost a comedy actor these days
Yeah I didn’t like it either. Must be why they decided to only give him a few lines. Doesn’t make sense to let him live either
@@Romo69 In the books the Emperor is imprisoned on his prison planet and runs several assassination plots against Paul and his kids. He is also part of the conspiracy with the spacing guild, He will no doubt be used in the next movie which follows in Messiah.
Having not seen him act before, I didn't have my view of him tainted by his comedic history. And honestly I found him to be great in the role.
Totally agree. Just about everyone else is cast so well. I didn't think Oscar Isaac had enough gravitas to play the Duke but it wasn't as out of place as Walken who comes off as dopey to me
Loved the movie overall but did feel that the final act felt rushed.
The Sardaukar were obliterated, mainly off-screen, which was disappointing given that not a whole lot of context was given as to how and why the elite Sardaukar were dealt with so effortlessly.
The Emperor, who had very little screen time, just suddenly appeared on Arrakis. Again, this felt somewhat rushed and portrayed the Emperor as not being particularly bright and/or calculating, which in fact he is meant to be.
Definitely a great movie but just a couple of elements I felt aa little let down by.
Chani became the device that was used to convey Paul's inner conflict. I really dont know how to feel about this. It kinda makes Paul a bit shallower and cuts down on the humanly love that ties Paul down. Jessica's motherly love is also sacrificed in this path.
Huge mistake to leave out Paul’s first son, and how his death is a part of Paul’s journey, and his sacrifice.
Agreed, and instead they added a bunch of needless scenes.
1. HOW DO YOU GET OFF THE WORMS.
2. HOW DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE WORM IS GOING?
3. IF THE SAND FOLKS DONT USE SHIELDS THEY FLEW OFF TO FIGHT THE GREAT HOUSES WITHOUT SHIELDS...DOES THE SHIP THEY BOARDED HAVE LOADS?
4. WHAT FOOD DO THE SAND PEOPLE EAT?
I need more insight into logistics and supply chain.
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1 The Fremen can stay on top of the worm by pulling the worms skin to expose the soft tissue. To get off the worm they release the hooks and pray htat you do not get crushed.
2 See number 1
3 Shields cannot be used on Dune because the worms go crazy and if a shield is hit with a laser, then you will have an atomic explosion. Offworld they are use them.
4 Anything.
Austin Butler sounds like Michael Wincott
“Black sun orbiting the planet”
My guy, that’s not how solar systems work lol
Bald Elvis - Love it.
Thank you for adding some exposition to the film. To me it felt disjointed, slow in the beginning, and rushed at the end. This all helped explain the reasoning and why it played out as it does. Mind you, I haven't read the books and appreciate your comparisons for the integrity of the universe. Looking forward to see if Denis can move forward beyond Sci-Fi along 'the path'.
In your next video could you explain why in part 1 Gaius Helen Mohiam asked the baron to spare Jessica and Paul. I guess the BG didn't foresee him becoming uncontrollable?
To preserve the bloodline they spent thousands of years cultivating
The book explains that GHM's actually the biological mother of Jessica, thus Paul is literally her grandson.
No, they did not. They sought to preserve his genes, they worried more about him dying than seizing control of the Imperium
@@amandanathania Where does it say GHM is the MOTHER? They only say that the Baron is the father, and merely that "a member of the bene gesserit seduced him." But I don't recall anywhere it says GHM did that particular deed.
@@TheNudeBrewer if you revisit the book 'Dune', you'll find that details in the first few pages. In the movie of course they didn't.
Great movie, fantastic visual spectacle and I understand that from point of view someone who didn't read a book it's 10/10. However I did read a book, and for me this movie raise some eyebrows. Still, very good movie: 8.5/10.
No doubt a stunning movie and way ahead of anything else out there in 'blockbuster-land'. However, from my point of view, it lacks what I was hoping for more than anything - the appearance of the Navigators of the Spacing Guild (it's supposed to be a science fiction movie, as well as a soap opera!) and their need for Spice as an interstellar motivator - I felt also that the closing scene with the Emperor and Paul was a bit weak. Dune 2 stands well as a stopgap between the first and the third movie (hopefully) but it doesn't stand as a movie in itself. From the Hollywood financiers point of view this may jeopardise the production of Dune 3, which would be disastrous.
Only lackluster part of the movie was the antagonist feyd rauta (or rautha idk) and channy. To me there‘s several reasons why but yeah the rest is pretty great.
Why did they make feyd rautha look like a dam Engineer from Aliens? lol
The love between Chani and Paul just wasn't there. Her constant vigilance and mistrust of him didn't scream love.
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I dont recall you mentioning maybe I am wrong how Paul ended up killing the Barron instead of Ali?
I covered the whole film in my explained video, which was uploaded before this. This was some of the big questioned I missed out from that. And in regards to specific movie and book differences, I'm going to cover that in an upcoming video. I will talk about changes like Thufir Hawat, Count Fenring, and the example you've pointed out with Alia 👍
I finally figured out what planet Powder came from
😂😂😂
What would happen to the worms if the whole thing was watery?
My wife has a Nissan Al Ghaib. Its nice. Not great in the snow.
They’d die.
The worms slowly go extinct, and thus, so does the spice, which is created by the worms in their larval form.
I didn’t understand which houses are in orbit and overall why the Fremen are suddenly pilots and go for them?