This is great info Dan, I'm 62 years old and have shoot a bow for about 50 years. At only 5'-6" I was taught many years ago when shooting a 65-70 pond bow to use the push and draw method. I am also left-handed, which my bow guy just calls me ol lefty. When drawing at level I gently push my raiser forward with the palm of my right hand while drawing with my release with my left. I had a torn rotator cuff and 3 torn labrums' repaired in 2018. While doing my PT after the repair my physical therapist set up my PT just as I draw my bow. I refuse to go to a cross bow until at least 75 or 80. Thanks for the tips.
I gotta thank you guys for these videos. At 51 I’m fairly new to archery, let’s just say I have fallen in love with it again and I’m taking it 💯 seriously this time. I have an old pitching injury, never had it looked at but it’s definitely rotator cuff in the front of my shoulder. I’m at a low poundage, 55 hoping to work up to 60. After watching these videos I’m definitely going to order some bands and work on my rotator strength. So far not a lot of pain when drawing back but I can definitely tell when I do it right because there’s zero strain and I feel much stronger and it feels like I’m using mostly back muscles. Please keep putting these technique videos out!
I live for these kinds of videos,I’ve watched some of this guys videos and they are very detailed oriented and informative. I’m 67 and watch a lot of professional archers not on where they hit the target but there grip,draw, anchor. I’ve been shooting a bow since I was 6 and I’m still learning to shoot better. Keep videos coming 🏹🏹🦌
As a 45 year old this month, I appreciate this series man. Been bow hunting for 32 years, and want to make sure I do my part so I can bow hunt for 32 more. Ordered a resistance band yesterday.
Great series Dan! Shoulder health is really important to me as I age, especially after watching so many of my friends give up bow hunting or go to a crossbow. Can't wait for the assessment video.
Great info for target shooting! I promise you won’t get away with that much movement in a hunting situation in December or January in Mississippi. You basically have to draw the bow without moving it at all.
I was taught these techniques years ago and I believe it has kept me shooting and hunting. Take care of yourself and keep shooting. Shoulder issues are zero fun!)
I needed this! developed some biceps tendinitis over the summer and couldn’t figure out why. After watching this, I’m convinced it was my crappy draw cycle. Ordering some bands now.
As a 42 year old with jacked up shoulders (tears and osteolysis)this video speaks to me. I have a low arm (bicep) draw. Will have to do some draw tinkering. I can attest, if I allow my shoulders to get weak, they hurt. CrossFit and crossover symmetry keep them pain free and functional. 👊🏼
Thanks because I started picking up a bow because of you Josh and Tim and I kinda hurt my right shoulder, I kinda taught myself watching videos. So I most likely did it wrong and hurt myself, I’m sixty but I’m still trying. Thanks again.
Excellent and necessary video. From watching this I believe that I do the single or static arm draw quite a lot. Mostly because I want to have my pin already on target so all I have to do is draw and then go through the rest of my shot sequence with the least amount of movement as possible. I don’t do it every time but I know that I do that. Thanks for sharing. I will have to record myself and maybe send it to you sometime. 💪🏻😎🏹
Awesome stuff! Can’t wait to see the next part because I know I do some form of bicep drawing because my rotator cuff is weakened from lots of carpentry! Crossover bands have made a huge difference in my shooting/strengthening!
Good stuff. I’ve never had any shoulder issues in my several years of shooting. However, my left elbow is in constant pain (lateral epicondylitis as a right handed shooter). I think I may be rotating into setup as you mentioned. Will work on that to see if it helps. Thanks for the great video.
Being largely self taught, and watching videos from several youtubers, i think i draw correctly, but will for sure need to record myself and see what i'm doing Great set of videos!
I wish this video was around 6 years ago. I tore my rotator cuff and long bicep tendon. But since surgery, I have been able to build back up and I pull 70 pounds at 63 years young.
Good stuff I’ve been trying to keep teaching my self correctly but I have injured my shoulder drawing heavy weight I’m not sure what I did but I’d like to correct it. Or strengthen it. Keep it coming
I’m struggling with recovery from a tore rotator cuff, I haven’t shot a bow in about 5-6 years , bought a bow last year with a 65lb draw and turned it back to about 47 lbs and still can’t pull it back . Hopefully this and the next episode gets me back to shooting archery
Love this video! In the future, could you do a comparison of pre fetched arrows vs hand/custom fetched arrows, please? I shoot the pre fetched rip tko and I'm curious if I should get into doing my own fletching.
I use to do the bicep draw and was pulling 70Lbs. After awhile my bicep and forearm would keep me up at night hurting. I knew my crappy drawing technique was the issue. So I turned my bow down to 60lbs which was the lowest i could get it and was going to re-train myself in drawing correctly, to my surprise I couldn't get it back drawing correctly. So I bought a used 50-60lb bow and turned it down to 50lbs where I could draw the bow correctly and practiced with it for about 3 months. It didn't take long to move back up into 70lbs drawing the correct way. It totally retrained myself and now it comes natural, and I haven't hurt since. Plus now I'm drawing 80lbs comfortably with no pain. Anyone can do this, best decision I have made in my bow hunting career
I have a torn labrum and had to drop to a 60lb bow this year. If I draw wrong it lets me know for a few days. It also makes my rotator cuff sore from those muscles trying to keep my shoulder stable
I’m still curious on your gear you take into the field when you’re riding your dirt bike into the mountains to hunt! Did you make a video on that? Keep up the good work
Hey brother love the content. Would be great if you would make a video about how to hunt elk in washington state late season archery or how to hunt late season coastal rooseys. Not telling you what to do but noticed you don't have any Vidjas about late season archery elk hunting (that I can find).
I have been struggling with my draw this year, and am really working on fixing it. I find that I must remember to engage my core, or my draw is bad. Is this correct, or am I engaging my core to offset a weakness? Great series, great tips! Thanks guys!
My trap feels ripped and of coarse 80# bow 2 months before season freaking out !!! Did it tuning a 60# bow at work I’m definitely hurting my rotator cuff it’s popping
Very nice video and always super nice to get info like this however everyone is always talking about the draw are and shoulder but not much about the bow “holding” arm and shoulder. I have injured my left shoulder(the bow holding arm if i can call it that) and I developed a pinching muscle right between the acromion and bursa or the acromioclavicular AC joint. So to be more specific if you raise your arm to the side, right in that dimple on the shoulder. When that muscle pinches my whole arm gave in. I have stoped shooting for more than 2 months to rest it out. Now when i draw the bow i keep my bow arm and shoulders very static and im pretty sure im compensating so much that im scared i will injure something else. My bow is set to 63 pounds and i can draw it very easily its just this stupid pinch that i get. Is there any advice someone can give me because i have looked around so much for something regarding this and i dont find a thing about it. Keep up the good work
Please - I’m not being argumentative, yet Pushing the Bow UP into the Target instead of letting it naturally settle from just above requires MUSCLE Tension. And any stressed Muscle is an unstead Muscle and causes more Muscle Tension to Move the sight into position. Love your Vids. I’m a 75 Year Old Archer, Hunter, Mechanic and Tournament Archery that’s still doing & loving it
eye opening. Good content, I'm definitely one of those bicep drawing shitheads.. too much time trying to draw without moving much for whitetails I guess.
I just started shooting for bow hunting. I think I'm drawing wrong cause my front (left) shoulder back into my tricep and into the top of my elbow has been aching and just killing me overall for days. Does anyone have any idea why? I was thinking of tennis elbow. Thanks in advance!
I’m 27 years old and what you described as bicep tendinitis sounds like exactly what I have and guys I’m DYING. It’s killing me it hurts so bad even on the off days. I feel like I can’t shoot my bow like I want: help please. How do I fix it. How do I keep it from happening anymore? I try to draw with a high elbow and I feel like that’s what caused it to begin with. HELP
A lot of these issues can be resolved by not over bowing, or setting to high of a draw weight. Most people do not need 70 pounds. States like Oregon set the minimum threshold for elk at 40 pounds of draw weight. No one wants to be in the bottom of the KE or momentum required to take a large animal, 55-60 pounds with a cut on contact would be more than sufficient. Great video, I just wish you would stop promoting the heavier draw weights, and actually promote what a good draw looks like and determining when a shooter draw weight is exceeding their physical ability.
0:49 “The reason I wanted to do this video with Preston is I want you guys to increase your bow poundage AND I want you to draw your bow back PROPER.” Pay attention y’all😂🤘🏼
That's it man, this is allgood but I do alot of exercises to keep my shoulder and back muscles in good condition but yeah there is no point pulling 65# if it's uncomfortable I've found going up a full or half a turn on my limb bolts can help and if I haven't shot for awhile I drop down a turn but I started shooting 70# bow at 65# sold that bow and went to 45# and then built up to 55-60 over a few years but all these exercises are helpful but yes until your form is on point you should only really hunt 5-10# over what you can shoot 50 arrows with.
As a bow dealer, I find that most flaws in technique, can be traced back to over-bowing. The problem today in the UA-cam age, is that you have quite a few famous UA-camrs with confidence issues. They draw 26-27 inches, they hunt elk, preferably taking as long shots as possible, and they go to extreme draw weights to compensate for their arm length. I'm getting complete beginners with 29-30" dl asking about 80 and 90lb bows, because Cameron Hanes said so. And if I say they shouldn't even have 70lbs as their first bow, I'm almost being laughed at. So for the large channels featuring short-draw archers, PLEASE take responsibility. Starting a video with "we want you to draw heavier bows" is counterproductive, and WILL lead to more bad form and more injured archers.
I feel like youvtalked more than the expert in this one. You should have taken a more subtle approach. Less talking sometimes is better. Throughout the video, I felt like you kept interrupting him.
Seems petty for a grown man to criticize others ways of drawing…. If you kill the animal you’re a successful hunter end of story. Feed your tribe, move on.
This is great info Dan, I'm 62 years old and have shoot a bow for about 50 years. At only 5'-6" I was taught many years ago when shooting a 65-70 pond bow to use the push and draw method. I am also left-handed, which my bow guy just calls me ol lefty. When drawing at level I gently push my raiser forward with the palm of my right hand while drawing with my release with my left. I had a torn rotator cuff and 3 torn labrums' repaired in 2018. While doing my PT after the repair my physical therapist set up my PT just as I draw my bow. I refuse to go to a cross bow until at least 75 or 80. Thanks for the tips.
I like this series. Keeping people's shoulders healthy is important for the longevity of the sport.
I gotta thank you guys for these videos. At 51 I’m fairly new to archery, let’s just say I have fallen in love with it again and I’m taking it 💯 seriously this time. I have an old pitching injury, never had it looked at but it’s definitely rotator cuff in the front of my shoulder. I’m at a low poundage, 55 hoping to work up to 60. After watching these videos I’m definitely going to order some bands and work on my rotator strength. So far not a lot of pain when drawing back but I can definitely tell when I do it right because there’s zero strain and I feel much stronger and it feels like I’m using mostly back muscles. Please keep putting these technique videos out!
I live for these kinds of videos,I’ve watched some of this guys videos and they are very detailed oriented and informative. I’m 67 and watch a lot of professional archers not on where they hit the target but there grip,draw, anchor. I’ve been shooting a bow since I was 6 and I’m still learning to shoot better. Keep videos coming 🏹🏹🦌
I needed this video. im a bicep draw guy, ive tried to get better, but habits stick with you. Thanks Dan!
As a 45 year old this month, I appreciate this series man. Been bow hunting for 32 years, and want to make sure I do my part so I can bow hunt for 32 more. Ordered a resistance band yesterday.
SAME HERE - trajectory!!!! -DS
Great series Dan! Shoulder health is really important to me as I age, especially after watching so many of my friends give up bow hunting or go to a crossbow. Can't wait for the assessment video.
Great info for target shooting! I promise you won’t get away with that much movement in a hunting situation in December or January in Mississippi. You basically have to draw the bow without moving it at all.
the one time I wanna say hey Dan hush let the man speak lol thx for the info guys
Yeah Dan, let the man speak!
I was taught these techniques years ago and I believe it has kept me shooting and hunting. Take care of yourself and keep shooting. Shoulder issues are zero fun!)
I needed this! developed some biceps tendinitis over the summer and couldn’t figure out why. After watching this, I’m convinced it was my crappy draw cycle. Ordering some bands now.
As a 42 year old with jacked up shoulders (tears and osteolysis)this video speaks to me. I have a low arm (bicep) draw. Will have to do some draw tinkering. I can attest, if I allow my shoulders to get weak, they hurt. CrossFit and crossover symmetry keep them pain free and functional. 👊🏼
Thanks because I started picking up a bow because of you Josh and Tim and I kinda hurt my right shoulder, I kinda taught myself watching videos. So I most likely did it wrong and hurt myself, I’m sixty but I’m still trying. Thanks again.
Love this series man!!
Excellent and necessary video. From watching this I believe that I do the single or static arm draw quite a lot. Mostly because I want to have my pin already on target so all I have to do is draw and then go through the rest of my shot sequence with the least amount of movement as possible. I don’t do it every time but I know that I do that.
Thanks for sharing. I will have to record myself and maybe send it to you sometime. 💪🏻😎🏹
Great video it did a deep dive last year on drawing my bow properly, freaking took forever! I still could be doing it all wrong
Look up outlet spacers or shims. They are killing me 😂 great informative video!
Thank god your making this video!! way to many people pull their bow back wrong
Awesome stuff! Can’t wait to see the next part because I know I do some form of bicep drawing because my rotator cuff is weakened from lots of carpentry!
Crossover bands have made a huge difference in my shooting/strengthening!
Thank you for this series!!
Great content 👌
Great stuff Dan. 🦌🏹
Thanks for watching! -DS
Love it
Good stuff. I’ve never had any shoulder issues in my several years of shooting. However, my left elbow is in constant pain (lateral epicondylitis as a right handed shooter). I think I may be rotating into setup as you mentioned. Will work on that to see if it helps. Thanks for the great video.
Being largely self taught, and watching videos from several youtubers, i think i draw correctly, but will for sure need to record myself and see what i'm doing
Great set of videos!
That's great!
I wish this video was around 6 years ago. I tore my rotator cuff and long bicep tendon. But since surgery, I have been able to build back up and I pull 70 pounds at 63 years young.
Good stuff I’ve been trying to keep teaching my self correctly but I have injured my shoulder drawing heavy weight I’m not sure what I did but I’d like to correct it. Or strengthen it. Keep it coming
I’m struggling with recovery from a tore rotator cuff, I haven’t shot a bow in about 5-6 years , bought a bow last year with a 65lb draw and turned it back to about 47 lbs and still can’t pull it back . Hopefully this and the next episode gets me back to shooting archery
Love this video! In the future, could you do a comparison of pre fetched arrows vs hand/custom fetched arrows, please? I shoot the pre fetched rip tko and I'm curious if I should get into doing my own fletching.
I use to do the bicep draw and was pulling 70Lbs. After awhile my bicep and forearm would keep me up at night hurting. I knew my crappy drawing technique was the issue. So I turned my bow down to 60lbs which was the lowest i could get it and was going to re-train myself in drawing correctly, to my surprise I couldn't get it back drawing correctly. So I bought a used 50-60lb bow and turned it down to 50lbs where I could draw the bow correctly and practiced with it for about 3 months. It didn't take long to move back up into 70lbs drawing the correct way. It totally retrained myself and now it comes natural, and I haven't hurt since. Plus now I'm drawing 80lbs comfortably with no pain. Anyone can do this, best decision I have made in my bow hunting career
Ted Nugent hunts with 47lbs and he kills everything. No problem.
I have a torn labrum and had to drop to a 60lb bow this year. If I draw wrong it lets me know for a few days. It also makes my rotator cuff sore from those muscles trying to keep my shoulder stable
I guarantee you there's going to be chuckle heads that'll say the way he wants us to draw a bow is a "sky draw"...
I’m still curious on your gear you take into the field when you’re riding your dirt bike into the mountains to hunt! Did you make a video on that? Keep up the good work
What kind of bands are you jagging and what resistance/weight rating are they?
Push and pull works best for me, simultaneously on the draw
What brand is that shearling jacket??? Please let me know, its super beautiful! Great info in the video , thanks!!!
Hey brother love the content. Would be great if you would make a video about how to hunt elk in washington state late season archery or how to hunt late season coastal rooseys. Not telling you what to do but noticed you don't have any Vidjas about late season archery elk hunting (that I can find).
I have been struggling with my draw this year, and am really working on fixing it. I find that I must remember to engage my core, or my draw is bad. Is this correct, or am I engaging my core to offset a weakness? Great series, great tips! Thanks guys!
Wonderful! All movement should start from the core -DS
My trap feels ripped and of coarse 80# bow 2 months before season freaking out !!! Did it tuning a 60# bow at work I’m definitely hurting my rotator cuff it’s popping
Very nice video and always super nice to get info like this however everyone is always talking about the draw are and shoulder but not much about the bow “holding” arm and shoulder. I have injured my left shoulder(the bow holding arm if i can call it that) and I developed a pinching muscle right between the acromion and bursa or the acromioclavicular AC joint. So to be more specific if you raise your arm to the side, right in that dimple on the shoulder. When that muscle pinches my whole arm gave in. I have stoped shooting for more than 2 months to rest it out. Now when i draw the bow i keep my bow arm and shoulders very static and im pretty sure im compensating so much that im scared i will injure something else. My bow is set to 63 pounds and i can draw it very easily its just this stupid pinch that i get. Is there any advice someone can give me because i have looked around so much for something regarding this and i dont find a thing about it. Keep up the good work
I pull my bow back like in the movies and shoot like in the bloopers.
Please - I’m not being argumentative, yet Pushing the Bow UP into the Target instead of letting it naturally settle from just above requires MUSCLE Tension. And any stressed Muscle is an unstead Muscle and causes more Muscle Tension to Move the sight into position. Love your Vids. I’m a 75 Year Old Archer, Hunter, Mechanic and Tournament Archery that’s still doing & loving it
love all the things not to do...didn't feel like they addressed how to draw properly. Dan less talk...let the expert you flew in from Utah talk.
95% of ‘pro’ bow hunters need to be watching this
One of these videos with mtn physio showed us how to test our rotator cuff strength but I can’t find it can anyone tell me which video it is please?
Ive pulled 70lbs for years. And just recently with these form videos, ive realized i Cant, pull 70lbs. I can pull 60 properly
Ya man - the next video we'll show you how to increase your draw weight with specific exercises! -DS
Is there going to be any elk shape camps 2024?
Yes, stay tuned
eye opening. Good content, I'm definitely one of those bicep drawing shitheads.. too much time trying to draw without moving much for whitetails I guess.
Is there such thing as over shooting your bow?
I just started shooting for bow hunting. I think I'm drawing wrong cause my front (left) shoulder back into my tricep and into the top of my elbow has been aching and just killing me overall for days. Does anyone have any idea why? I was thinking of tennis elbow. Thanks in advance!
Mechanically the dude is 100 percent correct. There are always exceptions though
Needed this
MTN PHYSIO is the man! -DS
Good video but dint really see the proper way to pull a bow back..
He basically prescribes a push and pull simultaneously with the arrow slightly above the target, smooth, controlled... Scaps not elevating ever! -DS
Agreed
dang, apparently I am a "one arm drawer". guess I need to fix that
There was never an example of how to properly draw a bow, just a lot of what not to do.
My thoughts exactly!
Are you related to Andrew Shultz?
Watch Steve on Meateater pull a bow back :)
I’m 27 years old and what you described as bicep tendinitis sounds like exactly what I have and guys I’m DYING. It’s killing me it hurts so bad even on the off days. I feel like I can’t shoot my bow like I want: help please. How do I fix it. How do I keep it from happening anymore? I try to draw with a high elbow and I feel like that’s what caused it to begin with. HELP
A lot of these issues can be resolved by not over bowing, or setting to high of a draw weight. Most people do not need 70 pounds. States like Oregon set the minimum threshold for elk at 40 pounds of draw weight. No one wants to be in the bottom of the KE or momentum required to take a large animal, 55-60 pounds with a cut on contact would be more than sufficient. Great video, I just wish you would stop promoting the heavier draw weights, and actually promote what a good draw looks like and determining when a shooter draw weight is exceeding their physical ability.
0:49 “The reason I wanted to do this video with Preston is I want you guys to increase your bow poundage AND I want you to draw your bow back PROPER.” Pay attention y’all😂🤘🏼
Here's what we want to promote / sell... hard work. That is all so take that however you want, appreciate you watching. -DS
@@ElkShape hard work isn’t enough…. A drowning man will always die tired.
Exactly.... Ted Nugents wife killed everything in Africa. No problem and she hunts with a 37lb bow 🏹
That's it man, this is allgood but I do alot of exercises to keep my shoulder and back muscles in good condition but yeah there is no point pulling 65# if it's uncomfortable I've found going up a full or half a turn on my limb bolts can help and if I haven't shot for awhile I drop down a turn but I started shooting 70# bow at 65# sold that bow and went to 45# and then built up to 55-60 over a few years but all these exercises are helpful but yes until your form is on point you should only really hunt 5-10# over what you can shoot 50 arrows with.
It's how to draw your mathews bow.lol change your name.
People who bicep draw probably are the same people who sumo deadlift. Lol
As a bow dealer, I find that most flaws in technique, can be traced back to over-bowing. The problem today in the UA-cam age, is that you have quite a few famous UA-camrs with confidence issues. They draw 26-27 inches, they hunt elk, preferably taking as long shots as possible, and they go to extreme draw weights to compensate for their arm length.
I'm getting complete beginners with 29-30" dl asking about 80 and 90lb bows, because Cameron Hanes said so. And if I say they shouldn't even have 70lbs as their first bow, I'm almost being laughed at.
So for the large channels featuring short-draw archers, PLEASE take responsibility. Starting a video with "we want you to draw heavier bows" is counterproductive, and WILL lead to more bad form and more injured archers.
I see lots of examples of the Sky Draw on UA-cam.
So, where’s the proper way to draw a bow? I didn’t see it.
Why don’t you demonstrate the proper technique?
Watching guys flailing around drawing their bow. I wonder how they ever shoot any animals…
why show the intro with you actually pulling the bow back, but don't even have that in the video? Would have been much more helpful
I feel like youvtalked more than the expert in this one. You should have taken a more subtle approach. Less talking sometimes is better. Throughout the video, I felt like you kept interrupting him.
Seems petty for a grown man to criticize others ways of drawing…. If you kill the animal you’re a successful hunter end of story. Feed your tribe, move on.
Man why didn't you demo proper form with a bow in your hands a few more times. Or have the coach do it. Opportunity for a great video missed IMO.
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