You have said more important things within 3:00 than what many youtubers would do in an entire 1hr video review of TV's at CES, I had to pause there cause I'm already overwhelmed by info, it made me realize everything is setup just to dazzle our eyes and make us consume more and more without knowing how they are actually setup and what they are actually capable of outputting, thank you sir
This is why I was critical of Linus' video. It was obvious to videophiles that neither of those TVs were calibrated and it was setup to purposely make the QD-OLED look better in an unrealistic setting, but he didn't talk about that like Vincent did. It's really important to highlight that when you're talking about a TV being better than the other.
@@xXJeReMiAhXx99 I don’t need the joke explained to me, Jeremiah. I understand it. I didn’t say it wasn’t funny. I said it wasn’t THAT funny. The OP said he/she was in TEARS. What’s hard to understand here?
You're the only reviewer in the world that matters to me when it comes to new display tech!! I saw so many comments on this, but was eager to see your take on it. Thank you for the amazing work you do!
I dont know about this guy...he seems like he might be paid off. He tends to favor certain brands consistently and is such an OLED fanboy and neglected the many benefits LED has over OLED.
@@marcuscole8796 way way brighter screens so in case you dont know you always want a brighter screen, ex would be when Nintendo releases their hand held, one major upgrade is always a brighter screen. HDR is extremely reliant on brightness as well and OLED fails miserably w brightness. Also brightness helps a lot w bright rooms as OLED fails miserably again in bright rooms. Also for gaming OLED black levels muddy alot of dark scenes for games that LED does not. OLED is over priced and LED is not. OLED has burn in while LED does not. Black levels on top of the line LEDs are almost identical to OLED. LED also has better poppier colors as OLED only has perfect blacks, but again not much more better blacks than top tier LEDs or mini LEDs
@@user-bj1mx2ip1c - Nintendo changed the screen of the "Switch" to OLED recently ... because OLED is worse ... I guess not ... - The vast majority of movies are mastered to max. 1000 nits ... my almost 5 year old OLED tv already does 720 nits ... the 2019 GZ2000 even 900nits with the "old" panel ... as these high brightnesses are for specular highlights only and TM fills the gap you do not miss anything regarding brightness when watching ... Sorry, hence I can't see where OLED is failing with brightness. - HDR is NOT relying on brightness ... it relies on contrast range ... 1,000,000+ : 1 (OLED tv) vs 20,000 : 1 (expensive LCD tv) speaks for itself ... due to the low contrast and the greyish background beneath colours, HDR on LCD tvs always looks washed out and flat in comparison to OLED. Reminder: HDR stands for "High Dynamic Range" and not for "High Max Brightness". - bright room: it's impossible to adjust brightness with HDR content because HDR doesn't work with relative brightness as SDR but with absolute brightness ... means: 100nits demanded in HDR are always 100 nits on screen. In HDR every single tv automatically runs at full brightness it is capable of. You could argue in SDR you CAN adjust brightness ... which in theory is correct ... BUT: when increasing the 100 nits mastered Rec. 709 content to 400 nits or more ... heavy banding and weird looking faces is the result, because Rec 709 can only use 8 bit brightness steps (8 bit: 256 steps , HDR 10 bit: 1024 steps) ... there are just not enough brightness steps available to widen the brightness to more than 4 times of the original value .... and 400 nits in SDR is what OLED tvs typically are capable of when setting light output to 100% - burn in: plasma tvs were always more prone to burn in than OLED tvs ... nevertheless noone cares about plasma burn in. Burn in on OLED tvs is nothing else than a Marketing trick Samsung started in 2018 to discredit another technology to protect their QLED LCD tvs ... unfortunately many sheeps out there are stepping into this marketing trap. Burn in can happen with misuse, but failure of LCD backlights , LCD-layers or electronic circuit boards are happening that often it outnumbers OLED burn in by far. - price: every QN95 is more expensive than a C1 (and still inferior) ... currently I have to pay 2,199 for the QN95 and 2,080 for the C1 - Bottom line: the so-called benefits you are mentioning do not exist or can't be used with existing content and/or without getting a weird looking picture in SDR ... which leaves the disadvantages of LCD tvs: blooming/haloing , less popping colours due to greyish background beneath, bad viewing angle , DSE , low contrast ratio , smearing due to much longer pixel response time , dimming/deleting of bright elements on dark background (e.g. stars in space) ... to just name the most obvious...
@@marcuscole8796 brightness heavily effects HDR and color, keep telling yourself that. Nintendo OLED upgrade is irrelevant because their LCD dont have diff lighting zones like QLED does and as said previous the brighter gameboy and DS upgrades were huge improvements, maybe if their switch could push 2000 nits they would have chose that, but the battery would die fast.
Wow, you're the best Vincent! As an engineer I see the world similarly as you and you correctly recognized the flaws in this comparison and explained them so that non-technical people can understand the key takeaways so that people won't immediately jump to "definitive" conclusions. I clearly see the principles of why you named the company HDTV *Test*. I truly wish you the greatest success and hope the world returns to normal so that your incredible skill set can be used for calibrating again. These TV reviews and informational videos you make are incredibly valuable. Thanks for everything. Never has anyone been as informed about impending, nontrivial (financially) purchases until you came along.
Finally someone objectively analyses Samsung's tech display, of course they won't show the competition's products in prime condition. Thede side by side comparisons arr utterly useless if the displays are not pre calibrated as you've pointed out, so many outlets have failed to mention this at all
you are ignorant to think that everyone is calibrating their displays. we are actually a minority when it comes to the average consumer. MOST consumers are buying televisions and leaving them on the stock mode. blaspheme I know. But its true. So in reality, its a fair comparison for MAJORITY of consumers. we the minority expect more, aka proper tuning for comparison.
@@goblinphreak2132 That's not what it is. Comparisions should always been drawn apples to apples. Just because an average joe doesn't calibrate a TV doesn't mean TVs shouldn't be calibrated while doing professional comparisons. TVs calibrated same settings and tested against a reference display is the whole point of display comparison if not then it just defeats the purpose.
Really looking forward for OLED EX vs QD vs everything current comparisons. I guess my personal biggest problem in the future won't be finding a TV I like but rather how the prices develop. QD is brand new and my preferred 65" size is the biggest they offer at the moment - so chances are 99% it will be expensive for quite some time :-D
@@MustafaAli-ri3bx 65" C1 is €1500-€1600 elsewhere in EU, even on German Amazon, latest TV tech has never been cheaper and the way things are going, with supply chains problems and all, they might shoot up in price the way some luxury products have or tech products in high demand. Now seems like a very good time to get a C1, it's very good and reasonably future proof, most of us won't be buying QD OLEDs anytime soon and EVO panels aren't better enough to warrant the higher cost. An average consumer is better off getting a 65" C1 and Sonos Arc (or even Beam Gen-2) than a G1 without a soundbar.
Finally...we've now confirmed that they were running in Vivid mode. I'm all for advanced display technology, but I really wish they had picked something other than Vivid mode for all 3 display types.
People fall for marketing claims every year. Waiting for a 10,000 Nit display with perfect blacks that will be over their budget when/if it ever arrives anyway. Then they get distracted by another supposed advanced technology. Just research current TVs and get what you want NOW. Unless there is a confirmed sale in the near future where you could save a few hundred bucks.
We just need to wait - see all the emissive light action on the screen, most objects in real life are from incidental lighting and are shaded and hued by other colours nearby . Plus we need to see in any improvement in SDR content, P3- it's definitely good tech . Also such comparisons favour brightness - In your dark room watching a movie your WOLED will be pretty bright -same as an audio demo a more efficient speaker will sound louder and therefore "better" given same input
Man this Quantum TV guy bashes vincent so much, it friggen annoys me. Vincent keep coming up with good content (even though i don't like the innuendo jokes)
So true ... entirely useless ... except for creating inadequate hypes that'll leave people disappointed after realising the real world significance (like last years useless 1300 nit Sony OLED measurements)
My LG C9 OLED just got an update that gives it a dark area fine tune setting. I’ve messed around with it and you can either make dark areas brighter or darker without losing brightness. I read it’s supposed to be for an issue in some games for dark areas but I have almost 6,000 hours on my C9 mostly gaming and never noticed that issue. Almost 6,000 hours in almost two years (Since Feb 2020) and still not a sign of burn in. 👍 It’s my baby and I love it dearly ❤️
@@SSNebula happy with the G1? I got it and the c1 I found the colours disgusting and falling into bright peaks 😨 an Abl too infuriating in games! on the other hand I had the chance to see the Panasonic JZ2000, the Philips 936 and 986 and the Sony A90j! I can tell you that all 3 are great! and that they are real premium! nothing to do with lg... I've chosen 83A90j which destroys c1/g1 at the same time... nothing to see 😊👍
@BTICronox Dude, in 2018 was the first presentation of the technology and that was before 2 years prior a freaking pandemy, of course it would take time. Also, in that time there weren't even models or lineups for buyers and professional market, yet, we have those now, for both markets, that is how in 4 to 5 years micro-led will be more affordable. Micro-led will a long run technology, and invested as that, compared to oled that is organic and will decay by the year, micro led will probably still exist before you've been forgotten XD.
Looks like I bought WRBG OLED at the right time. By the time I’m able to afford QD, I’ll be ready for upgrade. Also, I hope the sizes eventually ramp back up. I’m not going from a 77” down to a 65” next time 😉 UPDATE: with the Samsung QD-OLED issues, I’m feeling even more comfortable with my purchase.
I'm not going from a 110" Micro LED TV down to a 77" QD-OLED TV, so hopefully my current TV will last a while. Not going to buy another one unless the prices comes down significantly. If they can get QD-OLED sizes up to at least 110," I'll consider one as a replacement in the future.
@@vgnvideogameninja2930 so you're saying you have a micro LED 110' TV? Like right now? If so, how much jizz is required to be swallowed for such a set? Since there aren't any consumer ready 110' MLED TVs on the market not micro LED anyways.... somethings not adding up there.
it's really a shame that the Alienware and Samsung PC monitors that have it are not only ultrawide but also curved. a flat 27" inch would be a massive hit since they sell more than curved ultrawide. the Sony TV's that will have QD OLED will not have it at 42". Samsung has the tendency to not put 120hz to the 43".
@@Ha19000 I'm confident QD-OLED will still win even with calibrated reviews. Advantages of QD-OLED was well known in academy, they are just arriving to consumer grade now.
Dude every last person who have witnessed QD-OLED thus far, has said it's the best picture they've ever seen. You have on one hand an Oled WRGB color filtered panel. On the other hand you have a True RGB OLED panel with no need for layers of colorfilters. What do you expect looks best? You'd have to be pretty clueless to be on the fence on this one. I almost feel bad for LG at this point.
Backlight Master Drive is a marketing term for a simple algorithm designed to control LEDs in a display panel technology that is significantly inferior to the characteristics of a basic OLED panel. It's always baffling to see "brainwashed" LCD consumers preferring something with an X amount of LEDs/dimming zones over something that already provides 8,294,400 natural "dimming zones". Compare millions (OLED) with thousands (mini LED) and yet you're paying a significant premium for less.
@@JL-ik2vc Yes, I know what that is. You know, there are different use cases. Since my tv is always connected to the htpc in the living room, with an oled after 1 year I would see the Windows taskbar always on, while watching movies. So I'll stick with a led, where more zones and better algorithm is better than less zones and worse algorithm.
Great Stuff Vincent! Looking forward to your breakdowns with these new TV sets after calibration to get an apples-to-apples comparison. Especially interested in seeing how much better is the QD-OLED v/s regular WOLED.
4:42 The viewing angles on my CX are fine for video content, but I definitely notice a blue tint around the edges of the screen when sitting close to the TV and using it as a computer monitor. That was actually one of the improvements I'm most interested in. Your video shows a difference of 89% vs 99% brightness and 0.006 vs 0.001 color shift at 20°. That's a quite big difference!
Need calibration these tvs are not even be fully utilsed of couple out of the box tvs are ether really red or really rather blue or greene it sucks but it comes down to consilumers paying £450 for a full calibrated service
yep same here with my c1. it's hard to get a picture i like because if i make the center of the screen look good, the edges will look very blueish, and if i make the edges look good, the center will look too pink. i've settled for something in between with bias towards making the middle look good.
@@Faisal-SR even in oled man, lg is not terrible in 2021.... and not with models Cx... for oled it's much better at Panasonic/Sony and Philips not at Lg. I had a Samsung Q900na 8k 4 months ago but it broke but it was amazing in picture ❤️ high brightness, crazy colors and of course very high definition 😍 and not too expensive for 8k (at Lg in oled it is 20 000eur the Z1) and less bright! This year I'm waiting for the Sony 8k Z9k, model 8k Sammy and model TCL 8k which I find are qualitative and surprising Tv at Tcl.
So I am buying my first OLED TV and I get a decent discount on LG products through work. This will be the last TV I buy for around 7 years so I want it to last and don't want to regret it. The TV will be in a dimley-lit basement which if I'm not mistaken is good for OLED's as outside brightness can make it a less pleasurable viewing experience. I will mostly be using the TV for PS5, Nintendo Switch, Apple TV 4K HDR content, movies, and cable TV. I am intrigued by the new Samsung and Sony QD-OLED's but have had bad experiences with Samsung in the past and the Sony QD-OLED's are out of my price range. I also know that the technology is new for QD-OLED so I'm unsure of the longevity of this first wave. The prices with discount for the four LG models that I am considering are as follows: LG C1: $1580 LG G1: $1806 LG C2: $2257 LG G2: $2709 I am kind of leaning either towards the C1 to save money or the G2 to be future-proofed with the heat-sync and higher peak brightness. I would love to hear everyone's thoughts as I am not super knowledgable about the specs of each of these. I know the G2 just came out so it is higher priced than it will be down the road but I need a new TV now and am curious if it's a waste to spend the extra $1200 or so? Like would I really notice the difference? Just wondering your thoughts on all this. Thanks!
Big fan of your channel, from Portugal. How much do you think the current OLED tv's prices will drop ?! I'm interested in the Sony A90J OLED, to join my PlayStation 5. I know that the LG c1 OLED is better for gaming, but i don't like the webos OS. Do think that is a good investment ?!
I don't see why anyone would ever complain about viewing angle. If you're not sitting in front of the TV, you're doing it wrong. If you have one of those goofy setups where the TV is way up on the short wall and the seating is along the long walls so you have to keep your head turned, you're definitely doing it wrong.
THX recommends that the TV takes up a 40° field of view. That means that even if you're centered perfectly in the middle, the left and right edges are angled 20° away from you. I can notice a color shift on the edges of my CX when I sit at the recommended distance. (but mostly only while looking at a white background on a webpage). Samsung claims this tech will cut that down by about a factor of 10.
I want to know is if Samsung have made a much better ingredient for their blue OLED panel because by far blue is the colour that burns faster and maybe it's the reason why LG Oled have been using blue+yellow OLED panels for longevity. I mean it would even be cheaper for LG to get rid of the yellow OLED panel and use a QD color filter which is not very expensive nowadays just like Samsung is doing now...
One thing I want to understand: do WRGB Oled TVs lose saturation with higher brightness, since the white LED is brighter then the RGB ones? If so, does keeping them at low brightness make the color accuracy better? I would like to know since I usually use my TV when it's dark out so I probably won't need high brightness
It's no problem in SDR at low brightness but when you need high brightness for hdr, LG OLED brightens the white subpixel instead of rgb subpixels so it's diluted.
yes, that's what happens on the c1 as soon as there's a light peak the colorimetry collapses which makes for a sad and bland rendering. In principle the G1 with the "evo" panel should prevent this but this is not really the case. There is a much better control from Panasonic, Sony and of course Samsung with their Qled panels Also the Philips oled 936 and 986 manage very well or I was surprised. In 2021 it's really not LG that offers the best picture and the best user experience.
Thats why oled is better in the dark look hdr is years off looking good it needs calibration and it needs to be over 4000nits 12bit for more colour depth 10 bit is lame its not real hdr yet which is years away
@@jonathanoxlade4252 Legit HDR1000, 10 bit and a good color gamut+volume is good enough for now. It's FAR better than SDR. I hope OLED will improve for HDR.
Hi - do you know a fix for the PS5 and TV’s that are 4k 120hz enabled? It seems that after a recent update on the LG C1 im unable to play Call of Duty at 120hz and this causes the game to freeze and crash.
Man the alienware having a glossy display alone makes me really want it. But I really don't want to downgrade back to 1440p from 4K. I have beyond normal vision at 20/13 vision so it is very noticeable to me. Why I also really don't want a big display. At 27 inches I can already see the pixelation at 4K vaguely. But at the same regard I find matte displays to have a dirty screen look where they have a snowflaking effect from the anti-reflective coating. It really bothers me when I look at solid color images. Was suprised though my brother, who doesn't have the best vision, also was able to notice the effect on his personal monitor. Really wish I could just find more monitors with glossy displays...
The problem with 4K gaming is framerate. If you put games to ultra, current systems can’t push 4K at 120-175 fps. Even at 1440p, ultra is a challenge. So the AW QD OLED is in a class of its own in 2022.
As many have pointed out! It is going to be expensive with QD OLED and also there will be some limitation on sizes. Thank you sir for this very informative and yet balanced review. No one else has done the initial review as well as you.
Imagine going into a LG exhibition seeing a 97" G2 playing a well mastered movie with normal range content - next to a 65'" QD-OLED display - both in filmmaker mode calibrated . I think we know which would get the WOW factor
What nits black LG uses on the C1 and the G1? I couldn't find the term called for it "black nits?" Google doesn't give a result. I've heard of it from one of your videos like the A90J vs the G1 comparison before but I don't have a time to rewatch the video. I wanna know it to compare to Samsung's 0.0005 nits BLACK. Also why does it have to have nits in it isn't it supposed to be pure 0 since it's BLACK?
I have a pitch black cinema room, do you think the 77” C1 is the best option or the Neo QLED 85” QN95A? It’s really getting to me how I can’t get a real response for any videos or articles, watching videos don’t help because I still can’t get my mind around it.
What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Recommend consumers wait for 8k content to be widely available and for larger 77-85 inch QD-OLED Samsung and Sony models to be released. When you have to pay through the nose for new tech, best to wait for a revolutionary leap.
I'll never trust Samsungs manipulated showcases (= cheats) ... I am waiting for your objective, unbiased measurements and analysis in a few month :-) In the meantime analysing any of these setups (without the existance of an actual QD-OLED tv) is just a waste of time imho ... but thanks for showing Samsungs marketing machinery in action ;-)
pink tint is one of the things about my c1 that bothers me the most. if they get rid of that, i consider it a win. but i still don't plan to upgrade for at least 3 years more years.
SONY is always about quality. I know some people will "reeee" that LG is better, but Sony only uses LG panels because it was all they had access to. JOLED (although being a partnership company between Sony, Panasonic, and Japan Display) don't actually make TV sized panels, at least not from what I have seen. QD-OLED from Samsung is actually a superior display technology so Sony HAD to jump on the bandwagon. Sure the test might be biased in one degree. But that is only because HDTVtest and others like myself are power users. We will actually tune our displays. MOST home users wont be tuning their own displays nor paying someone to tune them. They are gonna just "use it out of the box" or worse copy settings others users have posted online (even copying HDTVtest settings shown in your videos). So the test is technically valid for "normie" people who are gonna buy the tv and then run vivid mode. I know about 30 people RIGHT NOW who own OLED TV's and they all run Vivid mode. They are "normies" and thus don't go super in-depth. Hell they don't even google/youtube information to learn more. They just buy and live life. So the test in this regards is valid. NORMAL home users are gonna buy the TV and that's what they get. Its fair in that regards. On the argument of "off axis issues don't exist" WE don't have issues with off axis. Other people will. There is a reason its part of marketing in the first place. Companies wont make up marketing points unless they hold real value to the consumer.... so while we, the power users, don't have said off axis viewing issues, others might. I know one example would be my dead grandmother (poor example but whatever) the way her living room used to be setup back in the day, TODAY'S televisions would be useless. Because some people would be sitting had extreme off angles. THANKFULLY back then we had CRT aka Tube displays. And they didn't have off axis issues. So you could easily sit to the extreme sit of the TV and still watch. Now while she is dead (RIP, love you gmom) there are PLENTY of people out there who have living rooms or whatever where off axis is a huge selling point to make sure their friends want to come over and watch sports or whatever. So yes, its a thing, its just now "our" thing. There is no way the estimation of price was correct. Not all rumor can be taken for fact and this is something many people still don't understand when it comes to "rumors" (looking you at AMD fanboys on "r/amd"). While generally you can argue "first generation parts will be expensive" this is ONLY the case when you have no competition. When LG first dropped their OLED panels, they could price it higher and demand more. They didn't have an competition. EVEN NOW LG OLED panels are the ONLY panels to exist (since QD-OLED is announced but no "on sale" yet to consumers). QD-OLED will be a second type aka alternative. EVEN IF the panel is better than LG panels, they cannot price it too high above an LG branded display. So if you can get a 55" LG OLED for lets say $2500-3000 then the QD-OLED 55" with similar specs or slightly better specs needs to be same price or slightly higher, not 2-3x the price.... because then consumers will simply go "well guess I will just buy LG then since they are cheaper".... customers are generally always looking at price to performance even if they aren't consciously doing so. Again a lot of people I know will simply buy whatever is cheaper, so they ended up with LG A1 displays because they were dirt cheap ($850 bucks right now in the USA on sale for the 48" which is insanely cheap). So no, I do not think these displays will be $8000 or around that area. I expect much cheaper. EVEN THE QD-OLED from Alienware, if its ridiculously expensive it wont sell. People will just opt for buying a TV instead (42" coming out or older 48") which many are already saying over on the monitors subreddit.... that "if the Alienware is too high priced, ill just buy the 42 inch TV instead, hell at least the TV is actual 16:9 ratio with proper 4k resolution" which is a common response to displays these days.
Why is Samsung using ADS/IPS panels on their flagship 4K Neo Qleds, I have the QN90A the ADS/IPS version and it's horrible with a ton of blooming and backlight bleed all over, the local dimming doesn't fix it at all, I use it for gaming but if it was my movie TV I would of made Samsung give me a refund, I have an LG CX for movies and am stunned by the pristine picture quality. It really cost me quite a bit too around $3000 (AUD) and I'm still paying it off after 6 months and I'm not rich, I feel scammed that I got an inferior product and other parts of the world got the VA panel with a much higher contrast ratio except for in Australia, New Zealand and Europe which got the ADS/IPS version it every size except for 50" and 85" which I wasn't interested in those sizes, got the 55" size, I'm really hoping Samsung fixes the local dimming so I don't see a ton of blooming and backlight bleed.
i do wonder how the motion interpolation will be ? i want to know why most 2021 models are capped at 40 gb/s , why they are stingy with the other 8 gb ? is this year going to be the same ?
Burn in would still be there, considering OLED us self emmisive layer. Basically QD OLED, can achieve better blacks, as they are not limited by number of dimming zones, but isn't microLED/miniLED would be much brighter than OLED?
I watched the LTT video on this that was sponsored by Samsung and knew it was biased and uninformed. I couldn’t wait until Vincent came out with a real review.
It's looking like for all intents and purposes that the QD OLED has lost the unavoidable bluey/greenish overcast that afflicted (albeit hugely improved) WRGBs. The image looks incredibly strong in all aspects. This could be the beginning of the end for the white OLED panels.
exactly! and also, for the last 2 years the number of LGdisplay's tiles that suffer from grid/venitian effect is mind blowing 😱 Apparently Samsung display will apply a "Mura" treatment that will prevent the grid effect and of course able to keep the colour volume high in high light conditions Disappointed with the CX and C1 it's about time LG woke up as the giant Sam. is making a comeback in oled.... After all, they were the first to bring out the oled.
I'm sure that Samsung would have spent the time ensuring that the LG was optimally calibrated to ensure there wouldn't be a false comparison. There is no way they did the simple trick of having one on torch mode and the other on dim setting.... Yeah... Still excited to see some actual review samples given the promise of real improvements.
You have said more important things within 3:00 than what many youtubers would do in an entire 1hr video review of TV's at CES, I had to pause there cause I'm already overwhelmed by info, it made me realize everything is setup just to dazzle our eyes and make us consume more and more without knowing how they are actually setup and what they are actually capable of outputting, thank you sir
This is why I was critical of Linus' video. It was obvious to videophiles that neither of those TVs were calibrated and it was setup to purposely make the QD-OLED look better in an unrealistic setting, but he didn't talk about that like Vincent did. It's really important to highlight that when you're talking about a TV being better than the other.
An LG shill is talking. And this video is sponsored by LG. A new war begins between Samsung and LG through their influencers.
@@vadimkrylovWhere does it state that this video is sponsored by LG?
@@vadimkrylov this fucker have been sponsored by LG for years.
dont trust this bozo
I wish I could do a special upvote x10. So true. Everything he says is relevant. Others feel like watching a facebook bait video.
That Henry Cavill analogy got me in tears
And this dry delivery everytime. It's great.
😂
Tears?!? It wasn’t that funny….
@@DaveH8905 buddy hes a proffessional calibrator talking about tv technology and somehow tied that in to a comparison to cavill, how is it not funny
@@xXJeReMiAhXx99 I don’t need the joke explained to me, Jeremiah. I understand it. I didn’t say it wasn’t funny. I said it wasn’t THAT funny. The OP said he/she was in TEARS. What’s hard to understand here?
You're the only reviewer in the world that matters to me when it comes to new display tech!! I saw so many comments on this, but was eager to see your take on it. Thank you for the amazing work you do!
I dont know about this guy...he seems like he might be paid off. He tends to favor certain brands consistently and is such an OLED fanboy and neglected the many benefits LED has over OLED.
@@user-bj1mx2ip1c ...and these many benefits are... ?
@@marcuscole8796 way way brighter screens so in case you dont know you always want a brighter screen, ex would be when Nintendo releases their hand held, one major upgrade is always a brighter screen. HDR is extremely reliant on brightness as well and OLED fails miserably w brightness. Also brightness helps a lot w bright rooms as OLED fails miserably again in bright rooms. Also for gaming OLED black levels muddy alot of dark scenes for games that LED does not. OLED is over priced and LED is not. OLED has burn in while LED does not. Black levels on top of the line LEDs are almost identical to OLED. LED also has better poppier colors as OLED only has perfect blacks, but again not much more better blacks than top tier LEDs or mini LEDs
@@user-bj1mx2ip1c - Nintendo changed the screen of the "Switch" to OLED recently ... because OLED is worse ... I guess not ...
- The vast majority of movies are mastered to max. 1000 nits ... my almost 5 year old OLED tv already does 720 nits ... the 2019 GZ2000 even 900nits with the "old" panel ... as these high brightnesses are for specular highlights only and TM fills the gap you do not miss anything regarding brightness when watching ... Sorry, hence I can't see where OLED is failing with brightness.
- HDR is NOT relying on brightness ... it relies on contrast range ... 1,000,000+ : 1 (OLED tv) vs 20,000 : 1 (expensive LCD tv) speaks for itself ... due to the low contrast and the greyish background beneath colours, HDR on LCD tvs always looks washed out and flat in comparison to OLED. Reminder: HDR stands for "High Dynamic Range" and not for "High Max Brightness".
- bright room: it's impossible to adjust brightness with HDR content because HDR doesn't work with relative brightness as SDR but with absolute brightness ... means: 100nits demanded in HDR are always 100 nits on screen. In HDR every single tv automatically runs at full brightness it is capable of.
You could argue in SDR you CAN adjust brightness ... which in theory is correct ... BUT: when increasing the 100 nits mastered Rec. 709 content to 400 nits or more ... heavy banding and weird looking faces is the result, because Rec 709 can only use 8 bit brightness steps (8 bit: 256 steps , HDR 10 bit: 1024 steps) ... there are just not enough brightness steps available to widen the brightness to more than 4 times of the original value .... and 400 nits in SDR is what OLED tvs typically are capable of when setting light output to 100%
- burn in: plasma tvs were always more prone to burn in than OLED tvs ... nevertheless noone cares about plasma burn in.
Burn in on OLED tvs is nothing else than a Marketing trick Samsung started in 2018 to discredit another technology to protect their QLED LCD tvs ... unfortunately many sheeps out there are stepping into this marketing trap. Burn in can happen with misuse, but failure of LCD backlights , LCD-layers or electronic circuit boards are happening that often it outnumbers OLED burn in by far.
- price: every QN95 is more expensive than a C1 (and still inferior) ... currently I have to pay 2,199 for the QN95 and 2,080 for the C1
- Bottom line: the so-called benefits you are mentioning do not exist or can't be used with existing content and/or without getting a weird looking picture in SDR ... which leaves the disadvantages of LCD tvs: blooming/haloing , less popping colours due to greyish background beneath, bad viewing angle , DSE , low contrast ratio , smearing due to much longer pixel response time , dimming/deleting of bright elements on dark background (e.g. stars in space) ... to just name the most obvious...
@@marcuscole8796 brightness heavily effects HDR and color, keep telling yourself that. Nintendo OLED upgrade is irrelevant because their LCD dont have diff lighting zones like QLED does and as said previous the brighter gameboy and DS upgrades were huge improvements, maybe if their switch could push 2000 nits they would have chose that, but the battery would die fast.
Wow, you're the best Vincent! As an engineer I see the world similarly as you and you correctly recognized the flaws in this comparison and explained them so that non-technical people can understand the key takeaways so that people won't immediately jump to "definitive" conclusions. I clearly see the principles of why you named the company HDTV *Test*. I truly wish you the greatest success and hope the world returns to normal so that your incredible skill set can be used for calibrating again. These TV reviews and informational videos you make are incredibly valuable. Thanks for everything. Never has anyone been as informed about impending, nontrivial (financially) purchases until you came along.
What’s so hard to understand? The sets were playing in vivid mode. ‘Nough said!
Finally someone objectively analyses Samsung's tech display, of course they won't show the competition's products in prime condition. Thede side by side comparisons arr utterly useless if the displays are not pre calibrated as you've pointed out, so many outlets have failed to mention this at all
you are ignorant to think that everyone is calibrating their displays. we are actually a minority when it comes to the average consumer. MOST consumers are buying televisions and leaving them on the stock mode. blaspheme I know. But its true. So in reality, its a fair comparison for MAJORITY of consumers. we the minority expect more, aka proper tuning for comparison.
@@goblinphreak2132 If the Samsung is calibrated, and the other TVs are not or on the worst possible settings, it is not an accurate comparison.
@@coolcras7 did you watch the video? he literally said NONE of them were calibrated.
@John Hooper Sony’s Pre-Calibration is bar-none.
@@goblinphreak2132 That's not what it is. Comparisions should always been drawn apples to apples. Just because an average joe doesn't calibrate a TV doesn't mean TVs shouldn't be calibrated while doing professional comparisons.
TVs calibrated same settings and tested against a reference display is the whole point of display comparison if not then it just defeats the purpose.
Very happy with my A80J
I have a 77A80J, I have a bit of vertical banding on mines. Other than that it's s great tv
Really looking forward to this year's slate of comparison videos! The G2 vs A95K vs this year's Neo QLED should be juicy.
Is neo qled samsung's micro led branding?
@@putyograsseson No, it's what they call their LCDs with Mini LED backlight.
@@MechaGodzilla so no competition against an oled
G2 easily lose to A95K even A90J/K beat G2.
Really looking forward for OLED EX vs QD vs everything current comparisons. I guess my personal biggest problem in the future won't be finding a TV I like but rather how the prices develop. QD is brand new and my preferred 65" size is the biggest they offer at the moment - so chances are 99% it will be expensive for quite some time :-D
im still looking for a price drop on 65" Lg C1, they cost around 2000$ in Denmark.
@@MustafaAli-ri3bx 65" C1 is €1500-€1600 elsewhere in EU, even on German Amazon, latest TV tech has never been cheaper and the way things are going, with supply chains problems and all, they might shoot up in price the way some luxury products have or tech products in high demand. Now seems like a very good time to get a C1, it's very good and reasonably future proof, most of us won't be buying QD OLEDs anytime soon and EVO panels aren't better enough to warrant the higher cost. An average consumer is better off getting a 65" C1 and Sonos Arc (or even Beam Gen-2) than a G1 without a soundbar.
@@toobalkain the lg 2021 oleds are not good, and in 2020 it was the same thing. At least, it's really not the most beautiful picture.
What is really interesting is that these technologies are not necessarily alternatives to each other and both can be used in conjunction.
Finally...we've now confirmed that they were running in Vivid mode. I'm all for advanced display technology, but I really wish they had picked something other than Vivid mode for all 3 display types.
Exactly. To me it proves there’s not much of a leap like they want you to believe/buy
People fall for marketing claims every year. Waiting for a 10,000 Nit display with perfect blacks that will be over their budget when/if it ever arrives anyway. Then they get distracted by another supposed advanced technology. Just research current TVs and get what you want NOW. Unless there is a confirmed sale in the near future where you could save a few hundred bucks.
We just need to wait - see all the emissive light action on the screen, most objects in real life are from incidental lighting and are shaded and hued by other colours nearby . Plus we need to see in any improvement in SDR content, P3- it's definitely good tech . Also such comparisons favour brightness - In your dark room watching a movie your WOLED will be pretty bright -same as an audio demo a more efficient speaker will sound louder and therefore "better" given same input
@jzo I think you'd probably want Filmmaker mode not Cinema mode
An LG shill is talking. And this video is sponsored by LG. A new war begins between Samsung and LG through their influencers.
Man this Quantum TV guy bashes vincent so much, it friggen annoys me. Vincent keep coming up with good content (even though i don't like the innuendo jokes)
You are an absolute hero. I want to become a TV calibrator because of you!
Vivid mode on TVs should be outlawed
So true ... entirely useless ... except for creating inadequate hypes that'll leave people disappointed after realising the real world significance (like last years useless 1300 nit Sony OLED measurements)
That’s the dimmest Vivid mode I’ve ever seen. Felt like I was looking at the G1 with sunglasses on.😎
My LG C9 OLED just got an update that gives it a dark area fine tune setting. I’ve messed around with it and you can either make dark areas brighter or darker without losing brightness. I read it’s supposed to be for an issue in some games for dark areas but I have almost 6,000 hours on my C9 mostly gaming and never noticed that issue. Almost 6,000 hours in almost two years (Since Feb 2020) and still not a sign of burn in. 👍 It’s my baby and I love it dearly ❤️
‘Whip out my meter’ You’re hilarious! 😂
I will believe any statements about QD-OLED displays when you've tested them in your own environment. Till then, it's just marketing bla bla bla.
You may not have Henry Cavill's jawline, but you'll always be my TV Superman.
I LOVE your dry humour.
You are a great ressource for screen tech and quality reviewing, and humour! 😁
cant wait for the actual products to be tested by Vincent. Hopefully they would supply you with those QD-OLED monitors for testing as well
Which country are you from?
Hahaha, I loved the Henry Cavill analogy. Awesome and objective breakdown!
Your deadpan delivery absolutely kills me 🤣
I can’t wait to see Sony‘s QDOLED TVs versus A90J OLED TVs
I'll wait for QD-OLED technology to mature first before I get one, but for now I'm happy with my CX.
Same. I have the C and G1 and will wait for QDOLED to become more consumer friendly before I even think of upgrading.
@@SSNebula happy with the G1?
I got it and the c1 I found the colours disgusting and falling into bright peaks 😨
an Abl too infuriating in games!
on the other hand I had the chance to see the Panasonic JZ2000, the Philips 936 and 986 and the Sony A90j!
I can tell you that all 3 are great! and that they are real premium! nothing to do with lg... I've chosen 83A90j which destroys c1/g1 at the same time... nothing to see 😊👍
I Love these videos, not only do we get *great info,* we also get jokes that make you laugh hard 😂
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can´t wait for QD-Oled being affordable
4-5 years at least
@@RazvanMGH By that Micro led will be affordable...
By that time all of these will be considered crap and there will be something cooler
it depends on the depth of your pockets and the willingness to spent. micro led is far less affordable right now..
@BTICronox Dude, in 2018 was the first presentation of the technology and that was before 2 years prior a freaking pandemy, of course it would take time.
Also, in that time there weren't even models or lineups for buyers and professional market, yet, we have those now, for both markets, that is how in 4 to 5 years micro-led will be more affordable.
Micro-led will a long run technology, and invested as that, compared to oled that is organic and will decay by the year, micro led will probably still exist before you've been forgotten XD.
Looks like I bought WRBG OLED at the right time. By the time I’m able to afford QD, I’ll be ready for upgrade. Also, I hope the sizes eventually ramp back up. I’m not going from a 77” down to a 65” next time 😉
UPDATE: with the Samsung QD-OLED issues, I’m feeling even more comfortable with my purchase.
I'm not going from a 110" Micro LED TV down to a 77" QD-OLED TV, so hopefully my current TV will last a while. Not going to buy another one unless the prices comes down significantly. If they can get QD-OLED sizes up to at least 110," I'll consider one as a replacement in the future.
samsung wants Qned ready soon, QD-oled will be temporary product in transition to Qned
@@vgnvideogameninja2930 You have a MicroLED now right now?
@@vgnvideogameninja2930 so you're saying you have a micro LED 110' TV? Like right now? If so, how much jizz is required to be swallowed for such a set? Since there aren't any consumer ready 110' MLED TVs on the market not micro LED anyways.... somethings not adding up there.
@@SSNebula You do realize there are people in the world that make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year if not millions or billions right??
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I would watch that calibration competition, bring it on Henry! 😄
First! Love the videos Vincent, always informative. Looking to buy my next generation TV.
The Henry Cavill joke almost killed me.
Your humor rivals your expertise !
QD-OLED seems very promising, but I'll wait until independent reviews come out. I'm excited about the aspect of having this technology in PC monitors.
This is an independent review that you're watching and commenting on right now...
@@sherry356 He means like a calibrated review. 2:01
it's really a shame that the Alienware and Samsung PC monitors that have it are not only ultrawide but also curved. a flat 27" inch would be a massive hit since they sell more than curved ultrawide. the Sony TV's that will have QD OLED will not have it at 42". Samsung has the tendency to not put 120hz to the 43".
@@Ha19000 I'm confident QD-OLED will still win even with calibrated reviews. Advantages of QD-OLED was well known in academy, they are just arriving to consumer grade now.
Dude every last person who have witnessed QD-OLED thus far, has said it's the best picture they've ever seen.
You have on one hand an Oled WRGB color filtered panel.
On the other hand you have a True RGB OLED panel with no need for layers of colorfilters.
What do you expect looks best? You'd have to be pretty clueless to be on the fence on this one.
I almost feel bad for LG at this point.
The X95K will be a head turner.
Best Weekly Video Reviewer on UA-cam & you raise the brightness level once again!
Happy 2022!!
This year I'm super excited for the Sony mini led with Backlight Master Drive.
Waiting for your review (and prices) for the 65.
F the Price i will buy IT🤣
Backlight Master Drive is a marketing term for a simple algorithm designed to control LEDs in a display panel technology that is significantly inferior to the characteristics of a basic OLED panel. It's always baffling to see "brainwashed" LCD consumers preferring something with an X amount of LEDs/dimming zones over something that already provides 8,294,400 natural "dimming zones". Compare millions (OLED) with thousands (mini LED) and yet you're paying a significant premium for less.
@@JL-ik2vc Yes, I know what that is.
You know, there are different use cases. Since my tv is always connected to the htpc in the living room, with an oled after 1 year I would see the Windows taskbar always on, while watching movies.
So I'll stick with a led, where more zones and better algorithm is better than less zones and worse algorithm.
Great Stuff Vincent! Looking forward to your breakdowns with these new TV sets after calibration to get an apples-to-apples comparison. Especially interested in seeing how much better is the QD-OLED v/s regular WOLED.
Very Happy with the A80J and A90J :)
I only use my C1 sometimes
I'm excited for MicroLED technology...❤🙌
It's only for the rich not the public for years.
You manage to pair facts and entertainment epic stuff as always!
thanks for the honest words
This vid combined with your information about the Dell AW3423DW is awesome
4:42 The viewing angles on my CX are fine for video content, but I definitely notice a blue tint around the edges of the screen when sitting close to the TV and using it as a computer monitor. That was actually one of the improvements I'm most interested in. Your video shows a difference of 89% vs 99% brightness and 0.006 vs 0.001 color shift at 20°. That's a quite big difference!
Need calibration these tvs are not even be fully utilsed of couple out of the box tvs are ether really red or really rather blue or greene it sucks but it comes down to consilumers paying £450 for a full calibrated service
@@jonathanoxlade4252 even after a calibration all wrgb oleds have a green tint.
yep same here with my c1. it's hard to get a picture i like because if i make the center of the screen look good, the edges will look very blueish, and if i make the edges look good, the center will look too pink. i've settled for something in between with bias towards making the middle look good.
There is absolutely no way QD OLED is brighter then mini led QLED in that thumbnail
Lg miniled bad
Not as Samsung QN95A
@@Faisal-SR even in oled man, lg is not terrible in 2021.... and not with models Cx... for oled it's much better at Panasonic/Sony and Philips not at Lg. I had a Samsung Q900na 8k 4 months ago but it broke but it was amazing in picture ❤️ high brightness, crazy colors and of course very high definition 😍 and not too expensive for 8k (at Lg in oled it is 20 000eur the Z1) and less bright! This year I'm waiting for the Sony 8k Z9k, model 8k Sammy and model TCL 8k which I find are qualitative and surprising Tv at Tcl.
I'm looking forward to your comparisons when you get your hands on it. As usual, you're the man, thanks Vincent 😎👍
For what it's worth, the mini LED panel looked the best overall to me.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I love my LG qned85 tv. Great for my bright living room.
So I am buying my first OLED TV and I get a decent discount on LG products through work. This will be the last TV I buy for around 7 years so I want it to last and don't want to regret it. The TV will be in a dimley-lit basement which if I'm not mistaken is good for OLED's as outside brightness can make it a less pleasurable viewing experience. I will mostly be using the TV for PS5, Nintendo Switch, Apple TV 4K HDR content, movies, and cable TV. I am intrigued by the new Samsung and Sony QD-OLED's but have had bad experiences with Samsung in the past and the Sony QD-OLED's are out of my price range. I also know that the technology is new for QD-OLED so I'm unsure of the longevity of this first wave. The prices with discount for the four LG models that I am considering are as follows:
LG C1: $1580
LG G1: $1806
LG C2: $2257
LG G2: $2709
I am kind of leaning either towards the C1 to save money or the G2 to be future-proofed with the heat-sync and higher peak brightness. I would love to hear everyone's thoughts as I am not super knowledgable about the specs of each of these. I know the G2 just came out so it is higher priced than it will be down the road but I need a new TV now and am curious if it's a waste to spend the extra $1200 or so? Like would I really notice the difference? Just wondering your thoughts on all this. Thanks!
Big fan of your channel, from Portugal. How much do you think the current OLED tv's prices will drop ?! I'm interested in the Sony A90J OLED, to join my PlayStation 5. I know that the LG c1 OLED is better for gaming, but i don't like the webos OS. Do think that is a good investment ?!
They always show the WRBG OLEDs significantly dimmer than they actually are. My LG C1 is actually super bright compared to the G1 in Samsung's demo.
Super bright when 5% white on screen& Oh yes. But it easily turns into dirty white with 150cdm2 brightness
Prepare Marketing for big sales .
No way oled tv to look dimmer like this.
The same advertisement was for led move to oled.......
But Vincent said many times he cannot capture the full dynamic range of bright TVs.
Because qdoled is much brighter than woled so camera adjusted exposure making woled dimmer. Basic camera knowledge.
@@user-oq4rm5ci9p my Samsung Q90T also turns into dirty white.. Because of the terrible dirty screen effect 😂 not because it's dim 😅
I don't see why anyone would ever complain about viewing angle. If you're not sitting in front of the TV, you're doing it wrong. If you have one of those goofy setups where the TV is way up on the short wall and the seating is along the long walls so you have to keep your head turned, you're definitely doing it wrong.
THX recommends that the TV takes up a 40° field of view. That means that even if you're centered perfectly in the middle, the left and right edges are angled 20° away from you. I can notice a color shift on the edges of my CX when I sit at the recommended distance. (but mostly only while looking at a white background on a webpage). Samsung claims this tech will cut that down by about a factor of 10.
Love your videos! The added humor is appreciated!
QD OLED more like let me destroy your bank account
So... I'm confused... Are these new LG EX panels going to be in 2022 model TVs...?
I want to know is if Samsung have made a much better ingredient for their blue OLED panel because by far blue is the colour that burns faster and maybe it's the reason why LG Oled have been using blue+yellow OLED panels for longevity.
I mean it would even be cheaper for LG to get rid of the yellow OLED panel and use a QD color filter which is not very expensive nowadays just like Samsung is doing now...
Ahahah the Cavill metaphor got me
One thing I want to understand: do WRGB Oled TVs lose saturation with higher brightness, since the white LED is brighter then the RGB ones? If so, does keeping them at low brightness make the color accuracy better? I would like to know since I usually use my TV when it's dark out so I probably won't need high brightness
It's no problem in SDR at low brightness but when you need high brightness for hdr, LG OLED brightens the white subpixel instead of rgb subpixels so it's diluted.
yes, that's what happens on the c1 as soon as there's a light peak the colorimetry collapses which makes for a sad and bland rendering.
In principle the G1 with the "evo" panel should prevent this but this is not really the case. There is a much better control from Panasonic, Sony and of course Samsung with their Qled panels Also the Philips oled 936 and 986 manage very well or I was surprised. In 2021 it's really not LG that offers the best picture and the best user experience.
Thats why oled is better in the dark look hdr is years off looking good it needs calibration and it needs to be over 4000nits 12bit for more colour depth 10 bit is lame its not real hdr yet which is years away
@@jonathanoxlade4252 Legit HDR1000, 10 bit and a good color gamut+volume is good enough for now. It's FAR better than SDR. I hope OLED will improve for HDR.
@@geraltyen9847 do you think the new LG EX OLED's will solve that problem?
You win. You're the number one in tv testing.
sony a90k or the new samsung qd oled tv ?? decisions decisions
You sir, are one of the highest quality TV reviewers on the net.
I will be bypassing QD oled and going straight to microLED in 100 years time when the cost is easy to afford
The 65qned90upa(2021)
Is pretty sweet.
I gave my oledc9(55inch) and bought the 65qned.
Look forward to your review with this new model
Hi - do you know a fix for the PS5 and TV’s that are 4k 120hz enabled? It seems that after a recent update on the LG C1 im unable to play Call of Duty at 120hz and this causes the game to freeze and crash.
Man the alienware having a glossy display alone makes me really want it. But I really don't want to downgrade back to 1440p from 4K. I have beyond normal vision at 20/13 vision so it is very noticeable to me. Why I also really don't want a big display. At 27 inches I can already see the pixelation at 4K vaguely.
But at the same regard I find matte displays to have a dirty screen look where they have a snowflaking effect from the anti-reflective coating. It really bothers me when I look at solid color images. Was suprised though my brother, who doesn't have the best vision, also was able to notice the effect on his personal monitor. Really wish I could just find more monitors with glossy displays...
I'm short sighted and I see a difference between 4k and 1440p on a 32 inch pane, so..
The problem with 4K gaming is framerate. If you put games to ultra, current systems can’t push 4K at 120-175 fps. Even at 1440p, ultra is a challenge. So the AW QD OLED is in a class of its own in 2022.
As many have pointed out! It is going to be expensive with QD OLED and also there will be some limitation on sizes. Thank you sir for this very informative and yet balanced review. No one else has done the initial review as well as you.
Oh, wait. Wasn't the bottom one LG QNED which was LG's Quantum Dot Display? xd
Imagine going into a LG exhibition seeing a 97" G2 playing a well mastered movie with normal range content - next to a 65'" QD-OLED display - both in filmmaker mode calibrated . I think we know which would get the WOW factor
What a stupid comment hahaha, of course a 97" OLED would provide the wow factor, literally no point in making this comment
Yeah the price tag on the 97" oled will be the wow factor.
Thank you, looking forward to your review on these new QD-OLED TV any ETA on when that might be!
What nits black LG uses on the C1 and the G1? I couldn't find the term called for it "black nits?" Google doesn't give a result. I've heard of it from one of your videos like the A90J vs the G1 comparison before but I don't have a time to rewatch the video. I wanna know it to compare to Samsung's 0.0005 nits BLACK. Also why does it have to have nits in it isn't it supposed to be pure 0 since it's BLACK?
Please tell me how can i fix the color banding in my C1
My LG C1 is already bright enough so i am happy with my purchase!!
I have a pitch black cinema room, do you think the 77” C1 is the best option or the Neo QLED 85” QN95A? It’s really getting to me how I can’t get a real response for any videos or articles, watching videos don’t help because I still can’t get my mind around it.
What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.
Recommend consumers wait for 8k content to be widely available and for larger 77-85 inch QD-OLED Samsung and Sony models to be released. When you have to pay through the nose for new tech, best to wait for a revolutionary leap.
Hi,
Is the QD-OLED Panel something very new in business?? In 2022?
And which company have the QD-OLED TV’s?
Someone can answer!
I hoped to get comparison with OLED vs EX OLED Vs QD OLED
I'll never trust Samsungs manipulated showcases (= cheats) ... I am waiting for your objective, unbiased measurements and analysis in a few month :-)
In the meantime analysing any of these setups (without the existance of an actual QD-OLED tv) is just a waste of time imho ... but thanks for showing Samsungs marketing machinery in action ;-)
You are the only Human that know How is the Technology
Best review ever!
Looking forward to the PQ difference test of game mode off vs on of these QD oled panels!
Is this QD-OLED tech coming for mobiles and laptops or is this tech reserved for TVs only?
AMOLED E4 & E5
Better than QD OLED lol 😂
Are QD OLED response times as good as LG OLED? Mainly I gamer I care about low latency, variable refresh rate. Does QD Oled get brigther too?
You’re always on point
pink tint is one of the things about my c1 that bothers me the most. if they get rid of that, i consider it a win. but i still don't plan to upgrade for at least 3 years more years.
I’ve been waiting for this.
I want to see a video of you testing the color accuray of apples iPad pro- mini led display.
SONY is always about quality. I know some people will "reeee" that LG is better, but Sony only uses LG panels because it was all they had access to. JOLED (although being a partnership company between Sony, Panasonic, and Japan Display) don't actually make TV sized panels, at least not from what I have seen. QD-OLED from Samsung is actually a superior display technology so Sony HAD to jump on the bandwagon.
Sure the test might be biased in one degree. But that is only because HDTVtest and others like myself are power users. We will actually tune our displays. MOST home users wont be tuning their own displays nor paying someone to tune them. They are gonna just "use it out of the box" or worse copy settings others users have posted online (even copying HDTVtest settings shown in your videos). So the test is technically valid for "normie" people who are gonna buy the tv and then run vivid mode. I know about 30 people RIGHT NOW who own OLED TV's and they all run Vivid mode. They are "normies" and thus don't go super in-depth. Hell they don't even google/youtube information to learn more. They just buy and live life. So the test in this regards is valid. NORMAL home users are gonna buy the TV and that's what they get. Its fair in that regards.
On the argument of "off axis issues don't exist" WE don't have issues with off axis. Other people will. There is a reason its part of marketing in the first place. Companies wont make up marketing points unless they hold real value to the consumer.... so while we, the power users, don't have said off axis viewing issues, others might. I know one example would be my dead grandmother (poor example but whatever) the way her living room used to be setup back in the day, TODAY'S televisions would be useless. Because some people would be sitting had extreme off angles. THANKFULLY back then we had CRT aka Tube displays. And they didn't have off axis issues. So you could easily sit to the extreme sit of the TV and still watch. Now while she is dead (RIP, love you gmom) there are PLENTY of people out there who have living rooms or whatever where off axis is a huge selling point to make sure their friends want to come over and watch sports or whatever. So yes, its a thing, its just now "our" thing.
There is no way the estimation of price was correct. Not all rumor can be taken for fact and this is something many people still don't understand when it comes to "rumors" (looking you at AMD fanboys on "r/amd"). While generally you can argue "first generation parts will be expensive" this is ONLY the case when you have no competition. When LG first dropped their OLED panels, they could price it higher and demand more. They didn't have an competition. EVEN NOW LG OLED panels are the ONLY panels to exist (since QD-OLED is announced but no "on sale" yet to consumers). QD-OLED will be a second type aka alternative. EVEN IF the panel is better than LG panels, they cannot price it too high above an LG branded display. So if you can get a 55" LG OLED for lets say $2500-3000 then the QD-OLED 55" with similar specs or slightly better specs needs to be same price or slightly higher, not 2-3x the price.... because then consumers will simply go "well guess I will just buy LG then since they are cheaper".... customers are generally always looking at price to performance even if they aren't consciously doing so. Again a lot of people I know will simply buy whatever is cheaper, so they ended up with LG A1 displays because they were dirt cheap ($850 bucks right now in the USA on sale for the 48" which is insanely cheap). So no, I do not think these displays will be $8000 or around that area. I expect much cheaper. EVEN THE QD-OLED from Alienware, if its ridiculously expensive it wont sell. People will just opt for buying a TV instead (42" coming out or older 48") which many are already saying over on the monitors subreddit.... that "if the Alienware is too high priced, ill just buy the 42 inch TV instead, hell at least the TV is actual 16:9 ratio with proper 4k resolution" which is a common response to displays these days.
Why is Samsung using ADS/IPS panels on their flagship 4K Neo Qleds, I have the QN90A the ADS/IPS version and it's horrible with a ton of blooming and backlight bleed all over, the local dimming doesn't fix it at all, I use it for gaming but if it was my movie TV I would of made Samsung give me a refund, I have an LG CX for movies and am stunned by the pristine picture quality. It really cost me quite a bit too around $3000 (AUD) and I'm still paying it off after 6 months and I'm not rich, I feel scammed that I got an inferior product and other parts of the world got the VA panel with a much higher contrast ratio except for in Australia, New Zealand and Europe which got the ADS/IPS version it every size except for 50" and 85" which I wasn't interested in those sizes, got the 55" size, I'm really hoping Samsung fixes the local dimming so I don't see a ton of blooming and backlight bleed.
Waited this video so strongly.
i do wonder how the motion interpolation will be ?
i want to know why most 2021 models are capped at 40 gb/s , why they are stingy with the other 8 gb ? is this year going to be the same ?
That G1 has been gimped big time. Can't wait for real comparisons by the TV God that is Vince!
They seem to have messed with the framerate of the LG OLED. 0:00 for example.
6:16 could you please shout that 20 times to each monitor OEM? it seems they remain unaware that TFTs with 20 nit max brightness are long gone
Burn in would still be there, considering OLED us self emmisive layer. Basically QD OLED, can achieve better blacks, as they are not limited by number of dimming zones, but isn't microLED/miniLED would be much brighter than OLED?
Lickely those differences are not night & day,now i wish you also compared an edge led tv against those other tv’s wich is interesting as well.
I watched the LTT video on this that was sponsored by Samsung and knew it was biased and uninformed. I couldn’t wait until Vincent came out with a real review.
But I dont think anyone from LTT staff has the level of expertise Vincent has. LTT is for a different viewer and they cover broad topics.
Vincent, barring some 85 inch line of TV. If you had a $10,000 budget what TV would you buy by the end of this year
The new Sony qd OLED. It's a 65.
Where can I get that ultra wide pc monitor with qd oled can’t find it anywhere
Should I go for a QD Oled monitor or Mini LED monitor?
Kinda OT: Man I want to know the price of those 42" LGs and the QD-OLED Ultrawides... Cant decide!
It's looking like for all intents and purposes that the QD OLED has lost the unavoidable bluey/greenish overcast that afflicted (albeit hugely improved) WRGBs.
The image looks incredibly strong in all aspects. This could be the beginning of the end for the white OLED panels.
exactly! and also, for the last 2 years the number of LGdisplay's tiles that suffer from grid/venitian effect is mind blowing 😱 Apparently Samsung display will apply a "Mura" treatment that will prevent the grid effect and of course able to keep the colour volume high in high light conditions Disappointed with the CX and C1 it's about time LG woke up as the giant Sam. is making a comeback in oled.... After all, they were the first to bring out the oled.
the mini led looks very good maybe better than the qd oled shown side to side
why you only speak about wrgb oled and not mini led vs qd oled ?
I'm sure that Samsung would have spent the time ensuring that the LG was optimally calibrated to ensure there wouldn't be a false comparison. There is no way they did the simple trick of having one on torch mode and the other on dim setting.... Yeah...
Still excited to see some actual review samples given the promise of real improvements.
LG G1 very inaccurate out of the box
I love the sarcasm 😆
Great video, you stayed very objectively
I can listen to you say 2022 all day.
how many people actually calibrate their TV's from a professional. Id wager it less than 390k, the subscriber count of this channel.