It's easy to forget that 1975 was only 30 years after 1945, and in that context this book was profoundly instrumental in opening western minds to the allure of the culture that inspired Japan's later belligerence
I love that you guys are gonna continue with these reviews! Loved the dynamic that is setup between Blackthorn and Toronaga at the end is so good. The action and direction is just so good. It’s clear the show can only go up from here
Another great review! Really enjoying the methodical approach to discussing each episode, hearing Steve's info on the book version of certain scenes, and John's obvious enthusiasm for all the details of the show that knot so well together, gifting us this wonderful spectacle that totally has me hooked! Great job, guys!
Great episode review. Tadanobu Asano is great as Yabushige. He is in one of my favorite movies Mongol about a young Genghis Khan (Temujin) rise to unite the Mongol tribes. Excellent film and a good actor. This series is awesome.
Imagine bringing back many of the same cast to do the Tai-Pan novel and then again with Noble House would be fun as almost an anthology work or similar to Haunting Of Hill House or American Horror Story. Bring all the same talent back, different era.
I started my own business last couple of months but I’ve been able to at least become a supporter again on patreon . Just so I can still promote the joy that Steve and John bring to my life daily .
A big difference between the book and this adaptation (haven't seen the 80 one, weirdly) is that Yabushigi is way more charismatic on screen than I gave him credit for in the book, and that definitely changes how I feel about him as an audience member from one medium to another.
It’s been such a joy to see another one of Steve’s passions coming out on this tv show . Anytime the cine files crosses over to another genre is great by me . Damn I wish he loved wrestling . Could you imagine cinefiles wrestling episodes
Been loving this series so far...as a fan of the book and having watched the 1980 version, I was so excited several years ago when I heard a new rendition would be coming out. It has been worth the wait. Thanks for the review...well done
Thank you so much for breaking down each ep the way that yall do! I’m not familiar with the book and the show left me with questions and lack of knowledge but i was so tuned in that i wanted to keep watching it! You guys do a great job getting into details! I’m def subscribing
Really liking the show but didn’t buy the fight in the forest. Mariko can barely hold the weapon but she kills trained killers like it’s nothing. In a real battle, both mariko and blackthorne die(at least in the way they portray them on the show). Very different to the maid assassin, who actually looked like she could kill all those people. But it was still a good episode.
my initial thought on the ending with the diving was that they were essentially giving him a bath after he had refused in Episode 2. i didn't expect it to turn into a race
There is a difference between a Pirate and a Privateer, Blackthorne is a Privateer with letters of Marque. it's government sanctioned piracy, where the authorising country get's a cut of the profits.
If put to it, I'm sure Blackthorne would defend himself by arguing that fighting for your country by making war on your country's enemies, with expressed written orders from your country to do so, definitely isn't "piracy". You're just a paid mercenary "soldier" who happens to be on the sea and not on land. Something very common in Europe at that time.
@@peteg475Certainly the case that the protestant England and Holland, were at war with the Catholic Spain and Portugal. This is about the same period as the Spanish attempted invasion of England, by the Spanish Armada. With the aim of removing the protestant Queen Elizabeth from the throne, and replacing her with the Catholic Mary. Elizabeth was a Tudor, Blackthornes children were called Elizabeth and Tudor😀
"Cloud and Rain" is originally from a Chinese poem in which a past king was visited in a dream by a goddess. She offered herself as his "pillow and mat". Before she left, she told him that she was responsible for administering the forming of clouds and rain. It is later used as a euphemism for sexual intercourse. Though, I'm not sure whether Mariko's use of "pillowing" came from the same source.
i really liked the monologue/poem blackthorne tells mariko about why he left and what drew him to be a pilot, was very poetic, and mariko is a well known poem writer in the book
Lady Ochiba, the Heir's mother, seems more fleshed out here than the original 1980 series. Curious how she will be portrayed in this remake because in the OG Series she was only a bit player even though she is The Most Powerful and Influential Woman in all of Japan in the story.
Haven't read the book but the 80s mini series is a favorite of mine. I am enjoying this new show but feel like it's going just a little too fast and as a result, they're missing some of the fun little moments, such as what was mentioned in this video. I wish they would've slowed down just a little.
Blackthorne is an Englishman who speaks Dutch. Rodriguez is Spanish and speaks Portuguese and Japanese. Does Rodriguez speak English? Dutch? Does Blackthorne speak Spanish? Portuguese? How are these two men able to understand each other so well?
Don't know, but if his children are in England, he may have gotten word about the birth while he was in Amsterdam before leaving for the East? A book reader would know, i suppose
they would have slain the white boy during his tirade and checked all the palanquins. story would have ended there. the ending of the episode was ok but the ship race part, no. and i hope they dont take this down the woke idiocy of modern soap opera esque episodics but i think theyre going to. eps 1 and 2 were great, but 3 was almost unwatchable for much of the episode. i hope they stick to the political / military stuff more than the white man saga and love story angle i think theyre leading up to.
They should have got a Japanese actress who grew up in Japan only to play Mariko. This actress speaks English too well and has a strong Kiwi accent on top of it.
Man im so glad you guys are doing spoiler reviews on Shogun. Keep em comin!
It's easy to forget that 1975 was only 30 years after 1945, and in that context this book was profoundly instrumental in opening western minds to the allure of the culture that inspired Japan's later belligerence
Glad you guys are doing these reviews of Shogun... especially as you pick up on details that I might miss. Keep ' em coming!
Haven’t enjoyed a show like this in some time. Glad you are doing these reviews!
I love that you guys are gonna continue with these reviews! Loved the dynamic that is setup between Blackthorn and Toronaga at the end is so good. The action and direction is just so good. It’s clear the show can only go up from here
I can’t wait for yall to buss down this on the cine files like the whole series
Another great review! Really enjoying the methodical approach to discussing each episode, hearing Steve's info on the book version of certain scenes, and John's obvious enthusiasm for all the details of the show that knot so well together, gifting us this wonderful spectacle that totally has me hooked! Great job, guys!
Great episode review. Tadanobu Asano is great as Yabushige. He is in one of my favorite movies Mongol about a young Genghis Khan (Temujin) rise to unite the Mongol tribes. Excellent film and a good actor. This series is awesome.
This show is really good!!
Imagine bringing back many of the same cast to do the Tai-Pan novel and then again with Noble House would be fun as almost an anthology work or similar to Haunting Of Hill House or American Horror Story. Bring all the same talent back, different era.
Loving Shogun and you guys talking about it after. Keep up the great show
I started my own business last couple of months but I’ve been able to at least become a supporter again on patreon . Just so I can still promote the joy that Steve and John bring to my life daily .
A big difference between the book and this adaptation (haven't seen the 80 one, weirdly) is that Yabushigi is way more charismatic on screen than I gave him credit for in the book, and that definitely changes how I feel about him as an audience member from one medium to another.
I'm loving this SHOW!!!!!!! SHOGUN RULES.....
It’s been such a joy to see another one of Steve’s passions coming out on this tv show . Anytime the cine files crosses over to another genre is great by me . Damn I wish he loved wrestling . Could you imagine cinefiles wrestling episodes
loving these reviews shogun is so good curious will you guys be reviewing the best picture nominees?
Been loving this series so far...as a fan of the book and having watched the 1980 version, I was so excited several years ago when I heard a new rendition would be coming out. It has been worth the wait. Thanks for the review...well done
Thank you so much for breaking down each ep the way that yall do! I’m not familiar with the book and the show left me with questions and lack of knowledge but i was so tuned in that i wanted to keep watching it! You guys do a great job getting into details! I’m def subscribing
Really liking the show but didn’t buy the fight in the forest. Mariko can barely hold the weapon but she kills trained killers like it’s nothing. In a real battle, both mariko and blackthorne die(at least in the way they portray them on the show). Very different to the maid assassin, who actually looked like she could kill all those people. But it was still a good episode.
my initial thought on the ending with the diving was that they were essentially giving him a bath after he had refused in Episode 2. i didn't expect it to turn into a race
There is a difference between a Pirate and a Privateer, Blackthorne is a Privateer with letters of Marque. it's government sanctioned piracy, where the authorising country get's a cut of the profits.
If put to it, I'm sure Blackthorne would defend himself by arguing that fighting for your country by making war on your country's enemies, with expressed written orders from your country to do so, definitely isn't "piracy". You're just a paid mercenary "soldier" who happens to be on the sea and not on land. Something very common in Europe at that time.
@@peteg475Certainly the case that the protestant England and Holland, were at war with the Catholic Spain and Portugal. This is about the same period as the Spanish attempted invasion of England, by the Spanish Armada. With the aim of removing the protestant Queen Elizabeth from the throne, and replacing her with the Catholic Mary. Elizabeth was a Tudor, Blackthornes children were called Elizabeth and Tudor😀
mariko with the naginata 👍
This has also been a perfect build up for my dive into the month of Scorsese from the cine files
"Cloud and Rain" is originally from a Chinese poem in which a past king was visited in a dream by a goddess. She offered herself as his "pillow and mat". Before she left, she told him that she was responsible for administering the forming of clouds and rain. It is later used as a euphemism for sexual intercourse. Though, I'm not sure whether Mariko's use of "pillowing" came from the same source.
Steve is the man.!!!!!!!
great review, cant wait to see your reviews of the upcoming episodes
i really liked the monologue/poem blackthorne tells mariko about why he left and what drew him to be a pilot, was very poetic, and mariko is a well known poem writer in the book
Lady Ochiba, the Heir's mother, seems more fleshed out here than the original 1980 series. Curious how she will be portrayed in this remake because in the OG Series she was only a bit player even though she is The Most Powerful and Influential Woman in all of Japan in the story.
Loving these reviews, really enhances watching the show
I’ve rejoined both of the patreons as the basic I just want u to know u always have my support always
Thanks Darren!!
Love these review ✅
Got your audio sounds incredible Rocha. Your microphone, I need THAT one
Haven't read the book but the 80s mini series is a favorite of mine. I am enjoying this new show but feel like it's going just a little too fast and as a result, they're missing some of the fun little moments, such as what was mentioned in this video. I wish they would've slowed down just a little.
Blackthorne is an Englishman who speaks Dutch. Rodriguez is Spanish and speaks Portuguese and Japanese. Does Rodriguez speak English? Dutch? Does Blackthorne speak Spanish? Portuguese?
How are these two men able to understand each other so well?
Great show guys! ❤
Everytime I watch the show I wanna watch game of thrones...I wish the rings of power has this pedigree!!!
Does anyone know how Blackthorn knows the gender of the baby he has never met?
Don't know, but if his children are in England, he may have gotten word about the birth while he was in Amsterdam before leaving for the East? A book reader would know, i suppose
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they would have slain the white boy during his tirade and checked all the palanquins. story would have ended there. the ending of the episode was ok but the ship race part, no. and i hope they dont take this down the woke idiocy of modern soap opera esque episodics but i think theyre going to. eps 1 and 2 were great, but 3 was almost unwatchable for much of the episode. i hope they stick to the political / military stuff more than the white man saga and love story angle i think theyre leading up to.
Please don't spoil upcoming events/story we haven't seen in the series yet.
They should have got a Japanese actress who grew up in Japan only to play Mariko. This actress speaks English too well and has a strong Kiwi accent on top of it.
She’s fine 😊
I guarantee you're the only one who cares about this fact.
she grew up in japan
@@ribeye5394 She moved to Japan when she was 10.
@@joeyartk yes, grew up in japan. Parents are Japanese. Your comment is wrong, stop trying to be right.