@ I’ll walk thanks. The concept of church has been polluted by men to grow “their true church” claims. it’s their concept, not Christ’s. Its to glorify for themselves to make money and be leaders who speaks to the Divine personally.
@@raphaelmordo3022 the church is not an intermediary of any kind, nor is any other prophet or saint. If you say that the Church is the vehicle, is it possible for the vehicle to be driven without a driver? No, but it is true to say that the driver can lead us to his Master with or without a vehicle, and thus the Holy Spirit can also lead us to Jesus Christ, with or without a church and Christ alone is the advocate and the intermediary with the Father” the Savior earned His right to be our Redeemer, our Intermediary, our Final Judge. We pray the father in his name and we don’t pray god in the name of the church. Consistently make Him your “lead” « the Holy Ghost » in life and nothing else.
@@michaelparks5669 of course there is! It’s in the New Testament clear as day! The church is just a body of Christ, believers, it has importance to strengthen and learn about Christ’s teachings and helping others but salvation comes through Christ and Christ alone. Salvation is a gift through the grace of God never in its institutions. Thats more like Pharisees talk. Men and governments have polluted churches to be more important than it should be. They capitalised Christ for their own gain. So no, salvation does not come from the church or one true church. Not all churches are bad but salvation does not come from them. Show me otherwise please and I’ll listen.
@@johnrowley310 There's no such thing as the "Gospel of Joseph Smith". The Gospel Joseph Smith is linked to is the Perfect Gospel of Jesus Christ. Joseph himself was far from perfect however. He said so himself. In the Doctrine and Covenants he actually admits the God chastised him for his sins and admonished him to do and be better. Nobody ever claimed he was perfect.
Many of us even the chosen one tempted were apostatized but the truth were still there because we know the Holy Ghost testified the truthfulness of the gospel of the Lord
Church videos Thomas Marsh said when he came back warning those who were thinking of leaveing to "prepare there backs for a good whipping" those who leave and come back after repentance the Lord welcomes with his full and Loving heart. Why leave and cut yourself off from the love of God that way Stay and grow in the Love of God
I was surprised. I found truth and liked this video and went on to watch your others...just like Lucifer, you provide just enough truth to get yourself in the door. The sad thing is that because of where your heart and mind are at, you hear truth and only see lies. You hear wisdom and yet only see folly. You don't have to be a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, but it certainly improves your chances of finding joy and peace. Please don't create slandering videos. It's beneath you. I will pray Christ moves in your life.
Except for Uckdorf, all of the church authorities presented in the video basically insinuated that it was because the dissenters were bad or made bad choices as to why they withdrew from the church.
Positive and negative cannot exist at the same place at the same time. It is when we allow ourselves to step off the path of truth that we are taken over by deceptions. I will pray for you that you find the truth and love your Father in Heaven has for you. If you don't find it in the church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, find it somewhere. Sites like this however will only drive you further into the darkness.
@ Good brother, I will pray for you that you find the truth and love your Father in Heaven has for you, and that you can do so without judgmentalism upon others. If you find it in or out of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, please find it somewhere. Feel free to visit any sites you would like. I hope that you will not be driven further into the darkness.
By their fruits ye shall know them. Brigham Young- 56 wives, 10 divorces, 4 wives who vanished, never to be heard from again (even by their own families), 57 children of whom 40 were estranged from Brigham by adulthood. Sounds like an amazing legacy for a prophet of God. By their fruits ye shall know them. 2:54
And yet you do exactly what the Prophet recommends against, fault finding. Are you so perfect that you can call out the faults of others, let alone a Prophet of God? What are your credentials? How many mouths have you fed? How many sick have you healed? How many marriages have you saved? Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones .
@@djlarkin76 So sorry. I sense you are angry and offended at my observations. I am not perfect, nor am I a credentialed Pharisee. I just remember what Jesus asked us to do; to be careful, cautious and observant, watching for wolves in sheep’s clothing. Wolves will not come among us appearing as wolves, but as sheep. Very dangerous. But Jesus told us that “by their fruits we shall know them”. Just because Judas Iscariot was a son of perdition does not negate the mission of Jesus Christ nor invalidate His Church in the first century. Just because Brigham Young was a wolf in sheep’s clothing does not negate Joseph Smith’s restoration nor invalidate the modern Church of Jesus Christ. But again, “by their fruits, ye shall know them”. By the way, thank you for your loving, courteous and compassionate critique and innuendo on my life and experience.
@johnrowley310 These were the actions of rogue members taking actions not sanctioned by Brigham Young, the prophet at that time. Dispatch sent to Salt Lake City via horseback. Actions were taken at Mountain meadows before response from headquarters was given, which was to let them pass in peace. Those who took those unauthorized actions were removed from the church and eventually tried for murder.
@djlarkin76 ... It's wrong to criticize leaders of the church ...even if the critisism is true!. - Dallin Oaks. Thus if the church leader has done nothing to prevent harm when he could have, why should he be excused?. When they screw up deliberately tbms give them a pass for "just being men". Unacceptable. They're fraudulent representatives of Christ.
The Scriptures warn us of things about our leaders we can't see, Preface… concerning the Twelve Apostles of the Lamb... Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth... And upon my house shall it begin... First among those among you...who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house...(D&C 112:24-26) O my people, they who lead thee cause thee to error...(2 Nephi 13:12) Let no man deceive you by any means...that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition... Who opposeth God...sitteth in the temple of God...(2 Thessalonians 2:3-4) ...until he be taken out of the way. (2 Thessalonians 2:7) While that man, who was called of God and appointed...shall fall by the shaft of death, like as a tree that is smitten by the vivid shaft of lightning. (D&C 85:8) Never in the Bible or any Mormon Scripture can you read of a prophet, apostle or prophetess saying these words, I promise. For to do so would make themselves instead of God. Promises are only made by God Himself never by man throughout all the Sciptures except, Nehemiah 5:23 and Joshua 9:21, where man made a promise for a negative outcome. So, we see from Scripture man’s promises result in a bad outcome. Beware of the promises made to you by man saying, I promise, in behalf of the God of Jacob, the Scriptures warn us. ...the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation...(2 Timothy 3:15) If ye love me, keep my commandments. (John 14:15)
@Amp661Didn’t Moses strike that rock with his staff? And by doing that wasn’t he refused entrance into the Promised Land? I think that would be counted as a mistake. Adam ate the forbidden fruit 🍎 and was cast out of Eden. That might be considered a mistake. Noah got drunk and was laying around naked. Mistake? Jonah refused to go cry repentance to Nineveh and ended up as whale bait. Mistake? Abraham lied to Pharoh and told him that Sarai wasn’t his wife. We are commanded not to lie. Moses killed an Egyptian guard who was in charge of watching the Hebrews. We are commanded not to kill. These are just a few. I’m sure there are more. The Apostle Peter denied Jesus three times. Mistake?
@ We put ourselves in Hell when we disobey Gods Commandments. God doesn’t have to lift a finger! Commandments were given so we can stay out of Hell. People have God turned backwards. I learned the hard way. I Obey Gods Commandments Now!
@ We put ourselves in Hell when we disobey Gods Commandments. God Gave us Commandments so we can stay out of Hell..because He Loves us. People have got God turned backwards. I know! I disobeyed a commandment and it Was Hell! For a very long time.
The LDS church's means of salvation is not the Lord's means of salvation. Get out now. Join a strict Bible church and escape HELL. I was once a Mormon who did the same.
The real Jesus saves. He died on the cross and at that moment, the veil was torn and our sins forgiven. It didn't cost 10% to get a look at the LDS veil. Thats a racket, as we clearly see.....
Another Evangelical I presume? Same arguments. Any new material we haven't debunked yet? Have you ever tipped a server for doing a good job? Did you do that because you HAD to or because you WANTED to?
@@djlarkin76 You sir are nuts. I have to pay a tip to see my son get married. I have to pay a tip to learn magic handshakes. The whole thing is a Ponzi scheme, only the pay off comes after yo arer dead. What a joke....
@@djlarkin76...The problem with LDS apologists and their followers is they cannot debunk the critics of problematic truth claims. Tbms merely switch off their logic or reasonable ability of understanding and slip into indoctrinated cognitive dissonance to find excuse.
Through Christ. Through the power, keys and priesthood authority given to the Apostles that lived and served with Christ. All the Apostles were hunted down and murdered thereby removing the Priesthood keys and Authority from the earth. These same priesthood keys and Authority that saved while Christ walked the earth are restored in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. Therefore it is not the church that saves but rather the priesthood that is only found in the church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints.
@@djlarkin76 All the apostles would die at some point. You are saying that after they died all was lost? You sure must think Christ was so stupid he could not plan for the church to continue after the deaths of his apostles...WHOOPS, Don't we have an apostle that is still living on Earth....Maybe the authority you embrace was never lost???????
@johnrowley310 Have you not heard of the Dark Ages? "Dark" ages was fitting to this era as the power and authority of the church was removed from the earth which, whether you choose to believe it or not, resulted in very little advancement in science, culture and technology. God is truth, light and intelligence. Without him, the world goes dark in many ways. There was speculation a disciple remained in John 21:20-22, but nothing more. Of course he planned for the continuation of his church after the death of the Apostles. It was proven in the restoration of his church in modern days.
My bishop has called the cops on my twice. Do I love him he'll no. Does he love me and comes to me since I love my 25 year old son. He'll no he does not care. At all ni want out
Why would anyone leave the Church? Because of hypocrisy and bigotry and self-professed piety by leaders who constantly change doctrine and make a mockery of Sacred Truths.
The Doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints have not once ever changed. The way the Doctrine is used, performed and taught? Sure, but the foundations have never EVER changed, not once and you'll never prove it wrong. This fact alone is a substantial reason why we are a "peculiar people" and why those who are "of the world" despise us. We refuse to bend our principles to the pressures of social media, news, politics, other faiths, bigotry, war or even kings, principalities or Governments.
@@djlarkin76 Of course the Doctrines of the Church have never changed. Polygamy was never instituted by the Church, that is a lie of the heathen. Lies are the truth of this "Peculiar people". Everyone on this Earth are "of this world". Even those deluded and living the blatant lie that they are not "of this world".
@@gregstewart7288 Not at any time has there ever been authority given to marry more than one woman at once. Plural marriage was the marriage of A man to A woman. This took place multiple times to multiple wives to ensure the founding principle of "between A man and A woman" was not violated. Plural marriage has ALWAYS been of God. If you doubt this and feel it's a wicked practice then you will need to condemn some of the most notable names in Scripture. Jacob had 3 wives. Abraham had 2 wives. Note that each wife was married to the man at a separate time, not at the same time. Plural marriage is of God. It's not practiced at this time because it violates the law of the land and is not currently essential to the plan of salvation. Even when it was authorized, it was never required and was voluntary by those who would benefit by it.
@@djlarkin76 Okay, I see you’re doing a lot of defensive rationalizing. As long as a man marries one woman at a time, it’s okay have a lot of wives. And, many OT prophets had multiple wives, which is true. They also had concubines, which I guess god was okay with, too. Yet, adultery carried a death sentence. Wow! In those days, a woman was treated more like property than people. I have a problem with that in any age, but I guess god has different values. Now, you say polygamy is allowed by god but not required? According to J. S. He claimed he was not only commanded to marry more women, but threatened with death by a sword wielding angel if he didn’t! Following that, he continued marrying somewhere around 32 women, some already married, some very young…as young as 14. He even sent a couple of his apostles on missions so he could marry their wives behind their backs. He didn’t even follow the very “rules” of polygamy he claimed to have received from god. I’m sorry, but, this is just one of the many, many problems I have with the LDS church. My history as a former member goes back to the early 70s and I’ve experienced and learned things that make me ashamed to have ever been associated with the cult.
this church is bs. When nelson tells his followers not to go to outside sources, he has something to hide. Maybe the gospel cannot stand the rigor of critique and logical assessment.
@zcs...maybe you should listen one more time and you might get it. So what do you have that's better than the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints? Which version of the Bible do you think is correct and why?
The church is the kingdom of God on earth, set up by Jesus Christ in 1820. There must be a kingdom of God on earth to welcome the kingdom of heaven when Christ comes. If not, the earth will be destroyed at his coming. Read Malachi, the last book of the Old Testament.
What? What are you saying? Jehovah is the God of the Old Testament, Jesus Christ is God of the New Testament. He is the Same yesterday, today and forever. There is no other Jesus Christ save Him who is the Only Begotten Son of the Father. So idk what you’re trying to say by saying we don’t believe in a biblical Jesus? God the Father is God, Jesus Christ is God and the Holy Ghost is God. That’s why they are the GodHead.
@@joshstevens4626 Sadly, the same arguments levied against us by protestants and evangelicals for ages. They really need to get new material we haven't heard and disproven yet.
@@joshstevens4626 People leave the church for many reasons, there is no ONE reason. Much of it,however, has to do with the history of the church and Joseph Smith and the changing narrative surrounding them.
Where’s the proof? You sound like a democrat. Most of the leaders live very modest lives in houses they pay for out of their non-church incomes or retirement.
Ah. The username says it all. Calvinist. I can only assume you mean the 10% tithe. We give out of gratitude not requirement. When was the last time you gave freely because you felt charitable and not because you were required to? If it wasn't within the last month, I would check your motives instead of leveling accusations at those who give charity. Consider the hole in your logic...if all we care about is money, why do we give so much of it away?
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive. You my friend, fulfill prophecy.
@djlarkin76 I was replying to the the other only comment at the time about his whistle perching your ears. Guess you should have read more carefully. You fullfill The promise of poor reasoning skills
Salvation comes through Christ not the church.
Amen brother! And the Church is Jesus Christ vehicle to bring us into Him!
@ I’ll walk thanks. The concept of church has been polluted by men to grow “their true church” claims. it’s their concept, not Christ’s. Its to glorify for themselves to make money and be leaders who speaks to the Divine personally.
@@raphaelmordo3022 the church is not an intermediary of any kind, nor is any other prophet or saint. If you say that the Church is the vehicle, is it possible for the vehicle to be driven without a driver? No, but it is true to say that the driver can lead us to his Master with or without a vehicle, and thus the Holy Spirit can also lead us to Jesus Christ, with or without a church and Christ alone is the advocate and the intermediary with the Father” the Savior earned His right to be our Redeemer, our Intermediary, our Final Judge. We pray the father in his name and we don’t pray god in the name of the church. Consistently make Him your “lead” « the Holy Ghost » in life and nothing else.
Jesus organized his church. There is no salvation outside of it.
@@michaelparks5669 of course there is! It’s in the New Testament clear as day! The church is just a body of Christ, believers, it has importance to strengthen and learn about Christ’s teachings and helping others but salvation comes through Christ and Christ alone. Salvation is a gift through the grace of God never in its institutions. Thats more like Pharisees talk. Men and governments have polluted churches to be more important than it should be. They capitalised Christ for their own gain. So no, salvation does not come from the church or one true church. Not all churches are bad but salvation does not come from them. Show me otherwise please and I’ll listen.
The gospel of Jesus is amazing and perfect. The gospel according to Joseph Smith is not even close
You speak truth.
@@johnrowley310 There's no such thing as the "Gospel of Joseph Smith". The Gospel Joseph Smith is linked to is the Perfect Gospel of Jesus Christ. Joseph himself was far from perfect however. He said so himself. In the Doctrine and Covenants he actually admits the God chastised him for his sins and admonished him to do and be better. Nobody ever claimed he was perfect.
The gospel restored, believe what you want just make sure to send us your money...
Many of us even the chosen one tempted were apostatized but the truth were still there because we know the Holy Ghost testified the truthfulness of the gospel of the Lord
Church videos Thomas Marsh said when he came back warning those who were thinking of leaveing to "prepare there backs for a good whipping" those who leave and come back after repentance the Lord welcomes with his full and Loving heart. Why leave and cut yourself off from the love of God that way Stay and grow in the Love of God
I was surprised. I found truth and liked this video and went on to watch your others...just like Lucifer, you provide just enough truth to get yourself in the door. The sad thing is that because of where your heart and mind are at, you hear truth and only see lies. You hear wisdom and yet only see folly. You don't have to be a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, but it certainly improves your chances of finding joy and peace. Please don't create slandering videos. It's beneath you. I will pray Christ moves in your life.
Except for Uckdorf, all of the church authorities presented in the video basically insinuated that it was because the dissenters were bad or made bad choices as to why they withdrew from the church.
Positive and negative cannot exist at the same place at the same time. It is when we allow ourselves to step off the path of truth that we are taken over by deceptions. I will pray for you that you find the truth and love your Father in Heaven has for you. If you don't find it in the church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, find it somewhere. Sites like this however will only drive you further into the darkness.
@ Good brother, I will pray for you that you find the truth and love your Father in Heaven has for you, and that you can do so without judgmentalism upon others. If you find it in or out of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, please find it somewhere. Feel free to visit any sites you would like. I hope that you will not be driven further into the darkness.
By their fruits ye shall know them. Brigham Young- 56 wives, 10 divorces, 4 wives who vanished, never to be heard from again (even by their own families), 57 children of whom 40 were estranged from Brigham by adulthood. Sounds like an amazing legacy for a prophet of God. By their fruits ye shall know them. 2:54
And yet you do exactly what the Prophet recommends against, fault finding. Are you so perfect that you can call out the faults of others, let alone a Prophet of God? What are your credentials? How many mouths have you fed? How many sick have you healed? How many marriages have you saved? Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones .
@@djlarkin76 So sorry. I sense you are angry and offended at my observations. I am not perfect, nor am I a credentialed Pharisee. I just remember what Jesus asked us to do; to be careful, cautious and observant, watching for wolves in sheep’s clothing. Wolves will not come among us appearing as wolves, but as sheep. Very dangerous. But Jesus told us that “by their fruits we shall know them”. Just because Judas Iscariot was a son of perdition does not negate the mission of Jesus Christ nor invalidate His Church in the first century. Just because Brigham Young was a wolf in sheep’s clothing does not negate Joseph Smith’s restoration nor invalidate the modern Church of Jesus Christ. But again, “by their fruits, ye shall know them”. By the way, thank you for your loving, courteous and compassionate critique and innuendo on my life and experience.
@@djlarkin76 How many did the murder at mt. meadow????
@johnrowley310 These were the actions of rogue members taking actions not sanctioned by Brigham Young, the prophet at that time. Dispatch sent to Salt Lake City via horseback. Actions were taken at Mountain meadows before response from headquarters was given, which was to let them pass in peace. Those who took those unauthorized actions were removed from the church and eventually tried for murder.
@djlarkin76 ... It's wrong to criticize leaders of the church ...even if the critisism is true!. - Dallin Oaks.
Thus if the church leader has done nothing to prevent harm when he could have, why should he be excused?. When they screw up deliberately tbms give them a pass for "just being men". Unacceptable. They're fraudulent representatives of Christ.
The Scriptures warn us of things about our leaders we can't see,
Preface… concerning the Twelve Apostles of the Lamb...
Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth...
And upon my house shall it begin...
First among those among you...who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house...(D&C 112:24-26)
O my people, they who lead thee cause thee to error...(2 Nephi 13:12)
Let no man deceive you by any means...that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition...
Who opposeth God...sitteth in the temple of God...(2 Thessalonians 2:3-4)
...until he be taken out of the way. (2 Thessalonians 2:7)
While that man, who was called of God and appointed...shall fall by the shaft of death, like as a tree that is smitten by the vivid shaft of lightning. (D&C 85:8)
Never in the Bible or any Mormon Scripture can you read of a prophet, apostle or prophetess saying these words,
I promise.
For to do so would make themselves instead of God.
Promises are only made by God Himself never by man throughout all the Sciptures except, Nehemiah 5:23 and Joshua 9:21, where man made a promise for a negative outcome.
So, we see from Scripture man’s promises result in a bad outcome.
Beware of the promises made to you by man saying, I promise, in behalf of the God of Jacob, the Scriptures warn us.
...the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation...(2 Timothy 3:15)
If ye love me, keep my commandments. (John 14:15)
I. Don't look for flaws
Our prophet may make mistakes from time to time.that just makes him human. He is still the prophet.
@Amp661I thought only Jesus was perfect.
@@williams1479 He wouldn't make a pimple on a prophets ass!!!
@Amp661Didn’t Moses strike that rock with his staff? And by doing that wasn’t he refused entrance into the Promised Land? I think that would be counted as a mistake.
Adam ate the forbidden fruit 🍎 and was cast out of Eden. That might be considered a mistake.
Noah got drunk and was laying around naked. Mistake?
Jonah refused to go cry repentance to Nineveh and ended up as whale bait. Mistake?
Abraham lied to Pharoh and told him that Sarai wasn’t his wife. We are commanded not to lie.
Moses killed an Egyptian guard who was in charge of watching the Hebrews. We are commanded not to kill.
These are just a few. I’m sure there are more.
The Apostle Peter denied Jesus three times. Mistake?
@@maryannstout7600Abram said Sarai was his sister so that he wouldn’t die. But you’re right about everything else
@Amp661He does
Decades of lying to their perishingers. Most have cognitive dissonance when it comes to facts of their church. You are only accountable for yourself.
Sound warning, Rusty whistling will pierce your ear holes
Soul warning, Russell M Nelson's council should pierce your heart.
That is a Lie. God is Love and Peace..not a manmade church 😊❤
You are only half correct. God is also justice. Yes, He will send people to hell. That might not be so “loving” but He said that He will.
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We put ourselves in Hell when we disobey Gods Commandments. God doesn’t have to lift a finger! Commandments were given so we can stay out of Hell. People have God turned backwards. I learned the hard way. I Obey Gods Commandments Now!
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We put ourselves in Hell when we disobey Gods Commandments. God Gave us Commandments so we can stay out of Hell..because He Loves us. People have got God turned backwards. I know! I disobeyed a commandment and it Was Hell! For a very long time.
@@kathleenwharton2139 again, read statements that Jesus made
“ throw him in outer darkness where there’s weeping, wailing, and the gnashing of teeth.”
@@sdfft820
Men wrote the Bible. Sorry..I don’t trust them. I Trust my experience with God and I learned..to disobey was to put yourself in Hell.
The LDS church's means of salvation is not the Lord's means of salvation. Get out now. Join a strict Bible church and escape HELL. I was once a Mormon who did the same.
Best advice in these comments......
The real Jesus saves. He died on the cross and at that moment, the veil was torn and our sins forgiven. It didn't cost 10% to get a look at the LDS veil. Thats a racket, as we clearly see.....
Another Evangelical I presume? Same arguments. Any new material we haven't debunked yet? Have you ever tipped a server for doing a good job? Did you do that because you HAD to or because you WANTED to?
@@djlarkin76 You sir are nuts. I have to pay a tip to see my son get married. I have to pay a tip to learn magic handshakes. The whole thing is a Ponzi scheme, only the pay off comes after yo arer dead. What a joke....
@@djlarkin76...The problem with LDS apologists and their followers is they cannot debunk the critics of problematic truth claims. Tbms merely switch off their logic or reasonable ability of understanding and slip into indoctrinated cognitive dissonance to find excuse.
Why do people leave, because these holy men gaslight and lie. I am so done with holy and holy books and magical messiahs.
Hmm, I always thought that salvation was found in Jesus. How did people get saved before the LDS church made its appearance?
Through Christ. Through the power, keys and priesthood authority given to the Apostles that lived and served with Christ. All the Apostles were hunted down and murdered thereby removing the Priesthood keys and Authority from the earth. These same priesthood keys and Authority that saved while Christ walked the earth are restored in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. Therefore it is not the church that saves but rather the priesthood that is only found in the church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints.
@@djlarkin76 All the apostles would die at some point. You are saying that after they died all was lost? You sure must think Christ was so stupid he could not plan for the church to continue after the deaths of his apostles...WHOOPS, Don't we have an apostle that is still living on Earth....Maybe the authority you embrace was never lost???????
@johnrowley310 Have you not heard of the Dark Ages? "Dark" ages was fitting to this era as the power and authority of the church was removed from the earth which, whether you choose to believe it or not, resulted in very little advancement in science, culture and technology. God is truth, light and intelligence. Without him, the world goes dark in many ways. There was speculation a disciple remained in John 21:20-22, but nothing more. Of course he planned for the continuation of his church after the death of the Apostles. It was proven in the restoration of his church in modern days.
My bishop has called the cops on my twice. Do I love him he'll no. Does he love me and comes to me since I love my 25 year old son. He'll no he does not care. At all ni want out
I lost My son Dec 27th. 2021. He does not care. I cry daily
Why would anyone leave the Church? Because of hypocrisy and bigotry and self-professed piety by leaders who constantly change doctrine and make a mockery of Sacred Truths.
The Doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints have not once ever changed. The way the Doctrine is used, performed and taught? Sure, but the foundations have never EVER changed, not once and you'll never prove it wrong. This fact alone is a substantial reason why we are a "peculiar people" and why those who are "of the world" despise us. We refuse to bend our principles to the pressures of social media, news, politics, other faiths, bigotry, war or even kings, principalities or Governments.
@@djlarkin76
Of course the Doctrines of the Church have never changed. Polygamy was never instituted by the Church, that is a lie of the heathen. Lies are the truth of this "Peculiar people". Everyone on this Earth are "of this world". Even those deluded and living the blatant lie that they are not "of this world".
@@djlarkin76
D&C 132 comes to mind, the new and everlasting covenant of marriage, particularly plural marriage.
@@gregstewart7288 Not at any time has there ever been authority given to marry more than one woman at once. Plural marriage was the marriage of A man to A woman. This took place multiple times to multiple wives to ensure the founding principle of "between A man and A woman" was not violated. Plural marriage has ALWAYS been of God. If you doubt this and feel it's a wicked practice then you will need to condemn some of the most notable names in Scripture. Jacob had 3 wives. Abraham had 2 wives. Note that each wife was married to the man at a separate time, not at the same time. Plural marriage is of God. It's not practiced at this time because it violates the law of the land and is not currently essential to the plan of salvation. Even when it was authorized, it was never required and was voluntary by those who would benefit by it.
@@djlarkin76
Okay, I see you’re doing a lot of defensive rationalizing. As long as a man marries one woman at a time, it’s okay have a lot of wives. And, many OT prophets had multiple wives, which is true. They also had concubines, which I guess god was okay with, too. Yet, adultery carried a death sentence. Wow! In those days, a woman was treated more like property than people. I have a problem with that in any age, but I guess god has different values.
Now, you say polygamy is allowed by god but not required? According to J. S. He claimed he was not only commanded to marry more women, but threatened with death by a sword wielding angel if he didn’t! Following that, he continued marrying somewhere around 32 women, some already married, some very young…as young as 14. He even sent a couple of his apostles on missions so he could marry their wives behind their backs. He didn’t even follow the very “rules” of polygamy he claimed to have received from god. I’m sorry, but, this is just one of the many, many problems I have with the LDS church. My history as a former member goes back to the early 70s and I’ve experienced and learned things that make me ashamed to have ever been associated with the cult.
My local leaders suck. I want to leave
this church is bs. When nelson tells his followers not to go to outside sources, he has something to hide. Maybe the gospel cannot stand the rigor of critique and logical assessment.
Don't look for contradictions because you may actually find out we are lying to you
@zcs...maybe you should listen one more time and you might get it. So what do you have that's better than the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints? Which version of the Bible do you think is correct and why?
An appropriately named website.
Agreed. He can rage in the hearts of men all he wishes. He is still destined to lose to the light of Christ.
The church is the kingdom of God on earth, set up by Jesus Christ in 1820.
There must be a kingdom of God on earth to welcome the kingdom of heaven when Christ comes. If not, the earth will be destroyed at his coming. Read Malachi, the last book of the Old Testament.
The gospel was never lost...
Jesus tells us many many times His kingdom is Not of this world! In 1820! That is blasphemy!
The reason for people leaving Mormonism is that they believe in an unbiblical Jesus, Jesus is not created, he is eternal, He is God.
Mormonism is all about Jesus the God.
What? What are you saying? Jehovah is the God of the Old Testament, Jesus Christ is God of the New Testament. He is the Same yesterday, today and forever. There is no other Jesus Christ save Him who is the Only Begotten Son of the Father. So idk what you’re trying to say by saying we don’t believe in a biblical Jesus? God the Father is God, Jesus Christ is God and the Holy Ghost is God. That’s why they are the GodHead.
@@joshstevens4626 Sadly, the same arguments levied against us by protestants and evangelicals for ages. They really need to get new material we haven't heard and disproven yet.
@@joshstevens4626
People leave the church for many reasons, there is no ONE reason. Much of it,however, has to do with the history of the church and Joseph Smith and the changing narrative surrounding them.
Thats all u really care about money
Where’s the proof? You sound like a democrat. Most of the leaders live very modest lives in houses they pay for out of their non-church incomes or retirement.
Ah. The username says it all. Calvinist. I can only assume you mean the 10% tithe. We give out of gratitude not requirement. When was the last time you gave freely because you felt charitable and not because you were required to? If it wasn't within the last month, I would check your motives instead of leveling accusations at those who give charity. Consider the hole in your logic...if all we care about is money, why do we give so much of it away?
Just like my smoke alarm. Cant hear eanymore lol
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive.
You my friend, fulfill prophecy.
@djlarkin76 I was replying to the the other only comment at the time about his whistle perching your ears. Guess you should have read more carefully. You fullfill The promise of poor reasoning skills
@carlossantana7209 Yup. True. I put my comment in the wrong place in the thread. Sorry for the confusion.
@@djlarkin76 all good homie 🤙