This kid is a psychopath. Wow, 14 years old and he's able to murder someone he supposedly cares about in such a violent manner. I hope he's away for a loooooong time.
@@annebruecks738114... he was a loser so I don't understand why he would want to kill someone even if they are pregnant because it's not as if his life is going anywhere anyway.
@@annebruecks7381 he’s a bad kid. He wasn’t born bad. His upbringing made him that way. I blame the parents. Either through abuse, most likely neglect, he became rotten.
@@sirvilhelmofyonderlandSome kids are bad no matter how great their parents are. Some kids have horrible parents and a nightmarish upbringing, yet they turn out to be very good people. Therefore, regardless of the nurturing aspect, sometimes it truly is down to nature. There are always several factors, but nature is the strongest. A fine example of this would be the pit bull breed. I know we’re talking about humans, not canines, but it works pretty much the same way. And I know this will make many pit bull enthusiasts / owners angry, but the statistics don’t lie, including with regards to “lab mixes” / mixes which have pit bull genes. Countless pit bulls and pit mixes (bully breeds) are raised from puppyhood with the most love and best treatment, yet they still snap. This is because they were bred this way for many, many years. It’s simply in their nature. It’s also why they have so much “anxiety” and are “afraid of everything,” then end up chewing through doors and walls. Their nature dictates they destroy.
Facts, the dad knew the whole time he wasn't at grandma's and then moved him out of the state asap. Once the kid saw his dad lie for him, he prolly told him the truth so dude knew for sure.
Can't understand why the father, the grandmother and Joanna were not charged with providing false information to the police as they did so to clearly obstruct the police investigation.
I think that any extra work for these cops would’ve caused blanket mental stress leave in their department🙄. Years of “investigating” Annie’s death (which sounds like the equivalent of about 3 days work) achieved basically nothing - Branching off onto related crimes would’ve possibly raised the bar a little - and that’s the last thing these low functioning clowns would want.
I was wondering about that a while back! I didn't know for sure, but I thought i remembered a guy and a girl that used to explore abandoned places and was pretty sure it was ewu!
Oh yeah! I never used to watch this channel because of that, and I've only started watching over this last week, then I wondered why I never gave it a chance hahaha 😂
That's just sick... The first idea that comes to his mind after hearing his girlfriend is pregnant, is to murder her? And unnecessarily brutally even? This boy is deeply disturbed and should be locked away forever.
He was 14. I admit he made a evil decision but he was also only 14. I doubt he would’ve been the same decision at 18 or 20 years old. Or maybe he just would’ve gotten away with it at that age
Child or not this guy shouldn't ever get out. The emotional detachment to do that to a girl who you think is carrying your child is proof that you shouldn't be allowed around innocent people that aren't corrections officers for the rest of your life.
The pregnancy was an aggravating factor. The leading cause of death in pregnant women is murder, often over unplanned pregnancy that the father/killer doesn't want.
Oh shut up, would you like it if you were an underage kid and had some girl going around telling lies that she was pregnant for you? i bet you wouldn't.
absolutely insane that the investigators didn’t immediately try to cross check and verify everything the kid (and his father) was saying by looking at phone records or anything other than just asking his friend and his family. I know it’s easy to look at this from an outside perspective and say they seemed suspicious all along but the boy “randomly” mentioned annie’s nose bleeding on his shoe, said he agreed to cover for HIS GIRLFRIEND sleeping with someone else and everything he said sounded like it was extremely rehearsed.
See I agree but I feel like the nose bleed thing could have been believe able. My husband and daughter get random ass nose bleeds all the time and some are messy. What threw me the most was him offering to take the blame about someone else sleeping with his girlfriend….like boy what? That doesn’t make sense. It would be one thing if he was simply pretending to be Annie boyfriend but he was actually her boyfriend. 🤦♀️🤷♀️😱
What do you mean the outside perspective? If thats the case then Detectives should invite armchair TrueCrimers to help them with their cases!? It's not OUR job. It's their job to BE suspicious. THEY have the experience, we don't. Plus that woman who was off her head on uppers or Meth or Coke. She sounded like she was lying through her teeth!!! I know what I sound like after a night out and NO you do NOT believe a word I say lol. Plus they caught a lucky crime with John but you could tell he was telling the truth though his house stank of a crime scene. I couldn't believe when they moved away from those lying boys! The Dad was so obvious with the wide stance legs and nonchalant way. It was TOO laidback for your sons good friend who has just been murdered and he had seen her that night. It was sooo rehearsed. In fact the only believable thing was the nosebleed lol! It was shocking. The boy was not upset or startled. And he laid on the cute boy act. Plus his friend was trying to be so 'cool man howdy' that it was obvious he was covering for his friend. I just thought straight off the LJ thing was BS. A gang?? And he's hanging out with you guys? Sleeping with her? Would a mother who is a social worker not 'see the signs that her daughter is hanging out with dealers/gang people'? Urgh. Lol, I thought it was awful Detective work. Like when they did not question Lori about her husband being shot by her brother.
@ir9567 no I haven't but I don't think we can say that based on one person's re-telling of the case and partial clips from interviews. You are purely making a assumption. Either way the detectives have to follow every lead otherwise reasonable doubt can be called into questions during the trial. They don't have to be proven innocent by the defense they simply have to prove reasonable doubt. The cops DEFINITELY should have asked more questions about crazy Lori brother shoot her husband. Simply based off the body cam footage that shit didn't even sound like self defense.
one of my colleague was very concerned of me reading about middle age serial killers. He even hid the book and said that it will affect me. Bless his pure heart. He passed away few years ago from diabetes complications. He was such a good christian.
Spoilers but the fact that he said his friend was sleeping when her nose started bleeding but then his friend said he SAW it happen is what tipped me off. The police didn't catch that? They didn't think to check the phone records?? It took them TWO YEARS to think of that??? Crazy
“Flat effect is concerning.” “Being concerned is reminiscent of a guilty person.” This is why I can’t stand that body language bs and analysis from amateurs. I prefer the investigations without commentary from youtubers. They contradict themselves every other sentence and will say anything to dramatize a situation. I have seen it happen time and again towards innocent people. (Not saying these people are innocent, just speaking in general terms.)
@@ripwednesdayadams very well said. i've been saying this too lately. Most of these 'body language analysis' are based on jack shit. 'this person is scratching their nose so that means they took part in this murder' right. superficial nonesense most of it.
Annie did not deserve any of that. Over a pregnancy rumor. Unbelievable. She thought she was running away with someone she loved. I cannot believe a 14 year old would stomp on a shovel on someone's head. Absolutely disgusting. 14 is so young. To be that evil at such a young age and take someone's life in such a cruel way...
I thought the same. How can anyone be that brutal, period, but at that age. That’s how he thought he should do it? Long and drawn out with a shovel edge… my god. 14….. poor poor girl. Her last moments must have been so confusing and scary.
@@kevinpurcell4211It's called a lack of upbringing and being raised by a computer and phone. Can't just let kids "figure it out" and not expect shit like this 🤦♂️
@@kevinpurcell4211 the daddy was also quick to be his alibi. he probably got away with a lot of stuff. I know many parents who don't really put in the effort that they should. it's hard to see it happen, but what can we do? my only contribution is not having children and trying to be there for the kids that I know are having a rough home life. some parents are checked out and really do not care what goes on.
This one really hit close to home. Thank you for covering Annie’s story. I knew her and went to the funeral - it was absolutely packed. She was a great person who touched the hearts of those around her and didn’t deserve what happened. Miss you Annie, RIP
This breaks my heart. I felt awful for her and the people that adopted her from The first minute and actually reading a comment from someone that knew her breaks my heart. This poor girl deserved so much more and such a young kid makes me so upset. I’m sorry for your loss.
I'm truly sorry for the loss of your friend Annie, absolutely horrific what was done to her, especially from a child. Rest in peace little angel 🙏 Love and respect to you all from Ireland 🇮🇪 ❤
I watch a lot of these videos especially on this channel, but this case was the first time in a while I was genuinely so shocked at not only the plot twists and mist direction that occurred, but the way the victim died. How tf do you just stomp on someone’s face and not feel a thing and live your life after that??? He should be in prison the rest of his life!!! The fact that his first thoughts after committing his own gf’s murder, being that he “won’t get caught” just shows how much he lacks empathy and is def a psychopath
How the hell anyone that commits such a heinous crime could ever get parole is appalling. This man could be loose in 11 years. That's insane. He's a monster.
Yep. But he's both a minor and pled guilty - maybe they thought there was a chance he could barely get off if they went to trial, or if they were having trouble getting him charged as an adult.
Parole gives people a reason to behave and work towards something. The lack of this caused many prisoners to not care about their actions in prison, which is dangerous to other inmates and the COs.
@Rebekkashahtirmizi Rather than a pithy, twatty little comment like the one above, I would like to say thank you for your thoughts on parole. It's an interesting strategy to try and avoid re-offending isn't it. Anyhoo, have a good weekend 👍
Knew the dad was a shady dude once he said he went to the bar and told his kid to go to his grandmas because he’s bringing company back if that isn’t a parent red flag idk what is
@@JustTryingToUA-camso true, and unfortunately it's far to common in today's society. Parents are too busy partying and sleeping around to parent. They rely on the failing schools system and daycare to raise their kids. Fathers need to be fathers. Mothers need to be mothers. This is why I hate alcohol and modern dating culture.
Explaining away the blood on his shoes was a red flag right from the start. I've noticed that when people volunteer details like this with a clear explanation about where it came from, it's often a sign that they have thought thoroughly about how to avoid suspicion (when in fact it does the complete opposite)
My jaw dropped and I literally had to stop what I was doing when they said he took the shovel placed it on her forehead and then repeatedly stomped on it. A 15 year old?? Like what would possess you to do something so horrific?? I really hope he never gets paroled. May Annie rest peacefully 💔
Annie was kind of a whack-job too, though. Faking a pregnancy requires a fair degree of mental derangement. There is no reason to do that other than manipulation, selfishness, deception, and revenge. Nobody in this story was innocent, not even the victim.
15 to life for murdering your (presumed) pregnant girlfriend with a shovel??? Do we really need to give this kid an out? There’s no correcting this behavior, keep him far away from society
@@LeeLeeCRNMan, the system sucks! If this would’ve happened to my child and with the community I live in, he might walk out that prison at 40, but he definitely wouldn’t be walking for long. I know God wants us to forgive and love each other but I would need His comfort and love to bring me through this. Fly high Annie
How has no one mentioned how crazy it is that John's house showed signs of a gruesome crime and that he ended up confessing to a separate kidnapping?! I know it would've derailed the story a bit but I was curious to hear more about that.
I mean, John was clearly BEFUDDLED by the name Annie. There was total sincerity in his responses. He was lost. Yeah, absolutely insane that he was involved in a unrelated kidnapping. I'm unclear if it happened the same night???
I haven't started the video properly yet but in about 60% of cases police/investigator's find multiple crimes attached to the one they are suspected Example: Jeffrey Dahmer they got called their because of 1 guy being assaulted and escaping only to find multiple other victims
Well that woman had her own crime going so it was like three crimes in one you know what I'm saying it was like she was lying through her teeth to frame the other guy that sold out on her and meanwhile they're committed another crime and she makes up a murder crime for the reasoning of the blood on the door man I tell you demons those are all demons all demons hope they go to lake a sulfur imagine how many more like that I'm telling you the demons are walking amongst us to the guy in a parking lot he was just sitting in the parking lot watching people at Ross just shopping by himself he never got out of that car for like who knows how long so I took pictures of it right and I assumed in later when I was analyzing the f****** man was a demon hit horns his whole face was all like riddled with gross stuff and his that door that was tinted you know your doors tinted it was like a mirror and it reflected his reflection back and it was like two faces but it was his reflection and that's not normal that was some supernatural stuff cuz there's no way that's not normal anyway I'm telling you there's demons amongst us walking driving cars probably flying airplanes that's why you hear all these people in high positions doing some f***** up s*** cuz they're freaking demons they you never know you or your aunt or nieces could have a demon demonic boyfriend I don't know how they come about I have no idea but thanks to covid covid opened a whole world of all kinds of s*** to me and actually saved my life like four times so I'm telling you it's just weird unless I'm just making this all up in my own mind and don't even know it but I'm telling you normal people don't do normal things like that and she had no business sneaking out she just ruined it herself tell him why I'm telling lies but at the same time she uncovered how easily people can just snap and not even think about the consequences and how easily people can just kill somebody and just clean it up that guy was replacing carpet and you know what I mean just like a professional like he was already oh well this is what you got to do got to do it and just whipped it out and telling you they're all over the place why do you think you see them drying all these Vans and trucks I'm telling you it's not to overcompensate for what they don't have is just you know they're all up to something
I knew it from the begining. As soon as the father said "oh wait we are talking about last saturday, oh no I was coming home at..." he was obviously lying for his son. Disgusting, the whole family is disgusting. They should have been all charged. Shout out to the inmate who came forward and told tell. Let's hope this monster never gets out
I can confirm, as a teacher, girls write their bf's name all over everything. I don't think it always means they are obsessed. It's pretty normal. The other info in the journal about baby etc; however, is an indication of obsession.
@IGcantstopfactsbreh Could be or they're just bored. The really obsessive lack a stable father figure. Saw theirs leave. Desperate trying to find ways to lock in who they think they love. So, so 😢!
@SUPER_WOLFMOON Yep, and unfortunately females in this society are too often given a pass for trying g babytrap men with unwanted pregnancies. When you don't give men the same equal protection to opt out of Parenthood: i.e childsupport murder becomes an option in the minds of desperate sociopaths
A 15 year old girl doodling her boyfriends names all over everything isn't something that should be shocking, or a red flag. That's pretty common behavior for younger teen girls. Boyfriends, crushes, or even their favorite hot movie star.
@@lorileew2337still Obsessive though, yeah sure Teenage Girls like to talk about boys and how to make them jelous because it makes them look hot but its still Obsessive behaviour form a Child especially when this one Grew up in broken household, Which makes it way more intense psychologically hence the Fake Pregnancy unfortunately for her that lie resulted in her death.
He probably told her to write the note and say “don’t come looking for me , I don’t want to be found. “ she was excited to leave with her boyfriend. They probably talked about it for a while. It’s definitely premeditated with acknowledgement for potential repercussions, because he meticulously planned what he wanted to happen. He probably made up an elaborate plan to get her to believe they were going to run away. He probably master minded and persuaded her to come with him. As a young in love teenager she was excited to go and probably wasn’t thinking about long term she just wanted to get away from the lies. I see myself in her. It’s crazy. It makes my chest hurt listening to how she lost her life to something like this. She was excited and ready to leave. She wrote the letter prior and it wasn’t rushed, she used proper grammar like commas in appropriate places and her handwriting and spelling was on point. To think you’re running away with your boyfriend and she’s all excited. To meet up with him to get k_lled out of nowhere. It’s heartbreaking. I pray for her soul and her family. He took her future away. I wish she could have had someone to confide in. He is evil. He planned this, played her for an extended time, coerced her to write a letter to save him time of people finding out. If these is true that proves premeditation. The family knew but feared losing him at so young. Also, I might add, I think I missed it but did they ever find out what the First Lady knew really. The woman who was seemingly high came in and made this whole story. How did she know where she died. I guess because she was going off the news report. She had to be on an upper to go in and falsely place yourself at the scene of a crime. She may know more because she added the change her clothes part , was the entire outfit released? She knew blood was involved. Idk I think she knew too much to almost have someone falsely convicted of murder. Maybe she was there and knew Chris and wanted to help him. Then she knew about LJ RIGHT? How when this happened. Then she said her jaw moved in a weird way. And I don’t know. THIS IS ALL ALLEGED OR IN MY PERSONAL OPINION. REST IN PEACE, ANNIE !! My condolences to her loved ones.
She didn't know shit, everything she talked about was publicly known information and she added some of her own drug fuelled embellishments on top. Honestly I think it's a little disgraceful that the cops took this middle aged crackhead with obvious ulterior motives at her word
Sounds like these cops were inept. They spent two years investigating red herrings, whilst all along, the phone data of everyone involved not only showed Chris's location at the bridge that night, but that his family were also lying about his alibi. It is well known that phone data is one of the first things to investigate and often a crucial line of enquiry.
I think there was plenty of probable cause (blood on his shoe, regardless of BS story about a nosebleed) to get a warrant for cell records. ALWAYS the intimate partner is the first potential suspect. Seems very sloppy investigation.
This was a friend of mine and when she was murdered it shook me to my core. I was 13, a few weeks away from turning 14 when this happened. It’s still hard to believe this happened to her. She was such a caring and funny person with so much to offer the world. Rest in paradise beautiful. I’ll see you again one day! I’m so happy you finally got Justice! I’m sorry you had to go that way. Please know how loved and missed you are!❤️
I haven't finished the video, I'm ready comments while listening but I hope you're ok. ❤ It's hard to see this kind of stuff at that age happen to someone the same age. Stay safe. ❤
Just watched ..and yh I was ready for the them to bust this Lj??then it ended up being her own bf??I'm sorry,for u...for her...and we can Def understand why this would bother u!!I can't fathom it myself,ESPECIALLY with what the inmate revealed!!that poor girl, was already unhappy with her life, and wanted to try to make something, AND wanted to believe in someone she thought was really there for her!!! U just never really know what is going on in someone's head!!no matter how close u are,no matter how happy that person acts,no matter anything!!😑✌️🥃
How is this channel popping out so many consistent A+ stories??? This is easily my favorite true crime channel….. I feel like I’m a expert in interrogation techniques and body language without a degree… Thanks EWU❤
Annie lived near me. I never knew her but a lot of my close friends knew her personally and her death sent shockwaves through the community. The minute I heard her last name said, my blood ran cold. Im so relieved she got justice, but her loss is felt by so many regardless.
I don’t believe she got justice her family is going to pay tens of thousands of dollars to house and feed the person who killed her it’s terrible that we live in a country where you can kill someone in cold blood and then that family would pay for that killer to live he has no reason and should have no right to live for what he has done
@@MyLolleshe called the little psycho to find out if he had seen Annie. This was minutes after Annie’s death and the phone records placed him right there at that bridge. Edit: 10 mins to minutes.
Sidenote: I watch a lot of these types of video from other content creators and I have to say You have THEE best talking Voice for this type of content! I could listen all day.
@@rebeccathomas8125 Not AI voice, I believe this channel hires an outside voice actor to read their transcripts. If you go back their older videos are still narrated by real people but the voices are far less on tone and professional.
I would never let this young man out of prison, he's just to dangerous to be allowed in public, and even his family should be afraid of him. Thanks for sharing this story and kudos to the wonderful work that these officers do every day!💕
I love the EWU channels bc y’all don’t just tell the story; you include information from all different professionals. It makes the story a lot more interesting when things are analyzed & broken down by people who know what they’re talking about instead of just commentary from a creator talking about the cases. It is obvious that y’all put a lot of work, research & effort into these videos to make them as informative as possible. Gives an entirely different perspective!! ❤❤
I've only watched 18 minutes so far and this is unrelated to the case but I can't imagine how uncomfortable it would be as a kid to not be able to sleep in my home because my dad was brining over "company". Getting kicked out of the house has to feel awful, your kid isn't just some roommate, they're your kid and they should feel secure in your house.
Who you become is heavily based on your parents. Treat/teach your kid poorly and they will do the same to others. Clearly, this kid didn't have a good family to provide him an example of how to be healthy. That plays a huge role in why he ended up doing what he did.
His Dad is a crap person but parents deserve to have a life too. Nothing wrong with a kid going to Grandmas so a parent can get a break. It’s much better than parents that bring everybody they meet around their kids.
I just started listening to this case and hoping it’s as accurate as it really was. Horribly I assisted on this case. Brings back a lot of sad memories for Annie and the original detective Derek Johnson who was promoted to Sergeant while investigating this case then was murdered in the line of duty shortly after being promoted. Johnson is the first officer interviewing Chris in the small room. RIP Annie and Derek!!
15 years to life. I swear so many people in the comments don’t listen properly. There is no way he is getting out in 15 years. They do that because he was a minor when it was committed, so his sentence isn’t appealed.
Not at all. For me it’s the curiosity of trying to understand how a person can become a killer. My brain isn’t able to compute that; and at such a young age! I’m 47 and I haven’t hurt anyone, I get nervous just watching people fight on video clips!
You got that right. Seems the “company”, unsurprisingly, had no intentions of turning up. Only thing that does make sense. To be covering for his son he must’ve known the heinous thing he’d done - and it seems dad, & good ol’ girl nan for that matter, were ok with it.
I'll bet the trashy gran and dad told themselves Chris was "justified" in what he did because Annie was a tramp who had basically deserved it. People like that are all about "Rules for thee but not for me".
Who cares? The grandmother lives a few doors down. With that kind of convenience it makes sense he do so if he is going to have someone over rather than keep the kid around to hear and perhaps accidentally see whatever he and his "company" decide to get up to.
The police could have solved that case so much sooner if they had actually taken the right steps and checked phone evidence immediately. And a search warrant of chris' house would reveal things immediately as well. They just botched that whole investigation.
They must have collected the trash with the notes in the initial investigation.. they had rock solid evidence for two years and just didn't look at it.
Okay but if they did that would they have had that credit card theif admitting to covering up a murder with totally different guys thinking it was the same woman?
This situation is infuriating! The entire family should face charges for their deceit and the information they concealed. It's outrageous that he only received a 15-year sentence. Justice seems far from served, given the severity of their actions and the lives impacted by their dishonesty.
Grandma & dad should’ve been charged with accessory & got time! Also 2 years to finally investigate phone records of the main players in the case, that’s terrible, that’s like one of the first things you should do!
He got 15 to life. Judges do this for a reason. He was tried as an adult for a crime committed when he was a minor. If thr judge imposed a sentence that could seem excessively harsh, it is likely it could be overturned on appeal. Because the kid plead guilty, he wouldnt be able to appeal the conviction. But he could appeal the sentence. The appeals court would likely deny an appeal, since 15 years isnt unreasonable. But it is 15 years to life. The parole board will not be granting him parole any time soon. The graphic nature of the crime makes him a danger to society. He would be lucky to get out in 50 years.
Not the brightest... like imagine going to the police to try and help an investigation, but ONLY if you get immunity. How about just doing it because it's right?
I love out of nowhere the interviewer had to whisper " who's sal?" Is so funny for not reason, these types of things I find funny definitely make me believe I'm on the spectrum
Idk, maybe I've just been watchin' too much true crime stuff in my day, but I'm utterly BAFFLED at how shoddy the detective work was on this case!!! How TF did the police not seek the call records of Chris or Spencer? Why TF would they just accept their stories at face value? The nosebleed thing was such an OBVIOUS lie! Like how convenient is it that Chris is sittin' there stone-faced being interrogated for the murder of HIS GIRLFRIEND, and he just so happened to get blood from her on his shoe of all places? Why would he even feel the need to mention that if, ya know, HE DIDN'T KILL HER?! And how about the fact that the cops just ran with that LJ story without ever finding him? The idea that Chris just went along with a story that Annie had sex with some random dude named LJ and potentially impregnated her, and Chris is just totally cool with that? What NORMAL ASS PERSON would be cool with that?! And then that crazy meth head chick that came forward tellin' this bizarre ass bullshit ass story all happily and gleefully about a murder so nonchalantly as if she was talkin' about a funny anecdote that happened at her job last week. How TF could the police even POSSIBLY buy that?! She was OBVIOUSLY lying!!! And then worst of all, you mean to tell me it took TWO WHOLE ASS YEARS for these cops to finally search through the phone records?!?! That shit should've been the **FIRST** step!!!
Honestly I usually try to avoid looking at an investigation and calling out "the obvious" steps that should have been taken, but this just feels like a series of giant misses. Following the LJ red herring, the nose bleed story not really being pressed harder, hiz feelings on her getting with LJ a supposed 2nd boyfriend, phone records?!! Maybe in 2012 they just hadn't thought of it, but kids still texted a bunch back then how did they not see that and focus on him.
Other cases probably came up. Trust me I'm right outside of Baltimore, people get thrown under the bus quick especially a foster kid girl who was considered fast for her age, runs away a lot, pretending to be pregnant, it's sad but they probably didn't give a fuck about her as a person.
unfortunately, what else is new. it seems like its so rare for LE to actually give a f and do their job, that when they do were amazed and have to commend them. i know it's a hard job. but damn it's like every other case I watch, im screaming at LE for mishandling the case in some way. 😮💨
This is absolutely insane, so many terrible people in this story. Right when i heard chris and spencer say they had never seen or met LJ i knew he wasn't a real person and probably made up by one or both of the boys. Idk how they were able to fool the cops for that long with a whole ass made up person
I remember being 12 and my brother 16,and my mom answering the door to the police. We were both very close to her. She didn't even answer to the "good morning mam" of the police officers,she turned and grab my and my brothers necks and just asked: whom did it and what???? She scared the life out of us and the sh/+ out of the police officers. They were there just to ask about a neighbor.... We are now in our 40's and we never ever had any trouble with the authorities. We always knew tgat she will be the first to call police on us if we were asking for trouble. She passed away 12 years ago and we still think 10 times before doing something, what mom would think about it. She was the best and sweetest mother but she also wanted us to be safe and out of trouble
I unfortunately I found my 14 year old son buying weed carts off of Snapchat & immediately turned it over to a family friend that was a detective. It sucked but it scared & pissed me the fuck off that my son was meeting grown men to buy weed. He didn't get in trouble as the detective kept his name out of it but I believe in accountability & would never lie ESPECIALLY about something as horrifying as murder. 😢. You had a good momma, I'm sorry you lost her. I was a bad kid, my dad a Judge & I can't tell you how many times he turned my ass over to the police. I'm super thankful because as an adult having a child I finally understood why..
my mother has always told me and my siblings from day one we better not mess around and screw up because she’ll be the first to report us and hold us accountable and THENNN on top of that we better pay and hope we never make it out of jail because what she’s going to do to us would be so much worse than anything we could imagine the officers would do. I’m way more scared of my mom and how my actions affect her than i am detectives and she raised me to be like that. i won’t lie or do awful things especially legally becasue i’m afraid she’ll find out and send me back to where i can from smh
What a good, loving Mother. She brought you guys up right. They don’t make women like that anymore. You and your brother are very lucky to have a mama bear like that. ❤️
The amount of people hurt or murdered aling that area is insane! The Jordan River Parkway runs from the southern Wasatch Front valley all the way north towards Ogden. Ive run many times, and now people dont go there at all! Drugs, needles, rapists, pschopaths, its insane! My father was a very decorated officer; including Chief of Police. I WISH i could unhear and unsee so much!
@@persephoneperry776wtf XD, that's such a wild take lol. The likely answer is that it takes alot of time and resources to get phone company's to comply with a request, and they didn't see the point when both kids had already been cleared with what the police thought at the time was a solid alibi.
@@DashingToJapan adopted theory is wack. But they should have checked the phone records ASAP. shouldn't have taken the word of two kids. It was a mistake.
@@DashingToJapan nah. Chris ditched school that day. These detectives are fkn morons. Even without the cell phone, Chris should’ve been number one suspect until all his whereabouts were verified.
It was pretty obvious very early on that "LJ" was imaginary. Rest in peace 🕊️, Annie. 💔 I feel awful for her adoptive parents, who bonded to her during foster care and loved her enough to become her family. She deserved a chance, a future. Those guys are so disgusting for this. 🤬
Right? Didn’t even give the “guy” a proper name lmao. Giving a shady mystery man figure a two initial name is literally one of the oldest tropes in the book 🤦♀️ and they fell for it 🤦♀️🤦♀️
Trashy people like this exist in a lot of places and sadly their votes count just as much as yours and mine. It always infuriates me when people who lie for othere or make false rape claims dont get punished too often.
Bruh I’ve seen cops leave a handcuffed person in their car on train tracks as a train was coming and seen cops gun a man down cause they got the address wrong at 2am. I’m not surprised anymore.
I’m not a cop lover, but they are just men. Cops aren’t perfect, we agree, but they aren’t all knowing deities. Mistakes happen, but when they happen in life and death situations, that’s tragic.
I'm not shocked. Almost everyone I knew as a teenager was sexually active and or in a "serious" relationship. I got my gf pregnant when I was 15, she was 16. No surprise there, she claimed she couldn't get preg for some reason that sounded good at the time but as an old dude I still feel dumb for believing. At that age for a shy young man, you don't think about the future that much I was just thrilled that a really hot girl with her own car not only liked me "that way", she thought the sun rose and set in my pants and wanted it bareback at least once every day at a minimum. My story is far from unique. By comparison, most of my circle of friends were sexually active before I was at 15. I can't imagine it's changed that much now.
Very, especially her parents essentially permitting it by telling her to use birth control. How awful. She is a CHILD, and does not need to be having sex, period. That’s how shit like this happens. It’s so tragic.
It took them 2 years to actually test if there was any blood from a nose bleed in the friends house? Also, with the killers weird behavior during his initial interrogation, they didn’t think to check his cell phone location the night of the murder? Seems like the cops fumbled quite a bit, but then again they were lead down the John/LJ path, but still, it took them 2 years?
This stuff threw me off as well. Like, why not investigate everything? Not to mention them not seeing Chris' plans he had thrown in the trash until 2 years later? Wth were they doing?
And his dad doesn't seem to be a responsible parent. He obviously was a troubled boy and committed a gruesome crime. He wasn't sentenced harsh enough. These types of violent crimes should ALWAYS be life in prison with no parole.
Or death considering it was a child! I have a daughter who just turned 7. She is never out of my sight. I also taught her if someone ever tried to kidnap her. She knows to bite enough to break skin, scratch enough to to make them bleed, pull their hair, kick and scream and if they cover her mouth bite their hand. I also told her to if necessary leave something behind, she always wears bracelets or a hair tie, and leave some of her hair on it. She may be little for her age, but she is strong.
@@ashleysmith5001the us has never put any minor on death row 🤦🏻♀️ u are an ignorant fk .. minors don’t get life without parole or death penalty so maybe u need to learn the laws before spewing nonsense
I completely understand that the police have to be as thorough as possible, but how did they ever believe she was killed somewhere else and dumped by the bridge? There's no way she would have bled that much by the water if she was killed at a different location first...I'm glad it was finally solved, and that he's serving his sentence. RIP Annie.
That bit had me confused as well. It didn't really make sense why someone would bring a body without concealing it just throwing blood all around. Like, what if they get caught doing all of that? The vehicle would also have blood everywhere. Also the fact that Joanna literally gave away a motive for framing someone she doesn't care about (to get immunity) and only used knowledge that is already publicly available... But I can't blame the cops too much for wanting to investigate a seemingly good lead, especially since she had done a lot of research. Why weren't the phone records taken earlier to confirm the alibis? RIP Annie indeed
Phone records take awhile. Crime shows make all this stuff look instant, but it often takes time for warrants to go through, records to be compiled by the providers, all the paperwork to go through, etc.
They don’t take 2 years! These cops totally gave up on the shaky kid and chose to believe a tweaker instead of following multiple lines of questioning and evaluating evidence. The kid acted totally suss. The only halfway believable person was the friend. Still ZERO surprise at the motive and the perp.
@@XShadowAngel This is true. But in this case not immediately subpoenaing the phone companies to find out who had the blocked numbers was also central to the wild goose chase tangent they went on is just dumb. And THAT should not have taken 2 years. They would have had a lot more answers earlier and could have re-focused their investigation if they had studied the cell phones right away.
You can’t beat the quality of EWU. No other channel comes close to the amount of information along with the analysis of the information. It’s great for entertainment and education. Cheers guys!
Who else knew that Joanna Franklin was making up her stroy? She just wasn't believible and you don't bleed from your ears from getting slammed into a wall. In addition, Chris was way too stressed in that interview. Then he throws a nose bleed out there. Finally, if they couldn't find LJ that Chris and Spencer were both pointing to, then he probably didn't exist. I don't think I'm the only one watching that figured out those things.
I knew it instantly because I was expecting it. In the beginning of the video, they mentioned someone is going to falsely frame someone as a revenge and she was the first one to do so in the video.
Bleeding from ears didn't make sense but she might got confused if there was much blood .. however she did a great job getting lazy police put their hands on another crime ..
@jessissac9320 if my family member murdered someone, why would I defend him? It's my duty to let this person get caught. This bs "loyalty" thing that you're advocating for is what makes criminals thrive and kill again
This is such a disturbing case. What a vile little punk to do something so heinous. I can’t even imagine how devastating it was for her parents to know the details.
His father and his grandmother obstructed the investigation, even though Chris was a sexually active, violent murderer at 14. The older I get, the more I believe there's a genetic factor at work in behavior like his.
At only 14 yrs Chris murders his 'girlfriend' and in a way that's close up and personal and feels nothing....that's being a real psychopath , R.I.P. Annie
I thought the first thing the police would do is check cell records to confirm the information they were given by all parties , these police dont seem very smart sometimes. What a waste of time and pain for the victims family. Rip Annie 😢😢
It's impossible to do this since mostly you need a warrant to confirm cell records. So it's not like police can just go about and check everyone's location to confirm they're telling the truth. You have to have a solid reason for suspicion to do so first, and run that through court. There's been some exceptions for this but it's not always as easy and could possibly jeopardize an investigation if they gather evidence unlawfully. Edit: Need to clarify that some laws regarding this were changed a couple years back. And it seems to be easier now with looser rules. I'm not sure how it works per different states tho. But generally, there can be all sorts of reasons why they're not allowed to either search an area, or obtain certain records/information.
Can't believe it took 2 years to figure this out. From the second he mentioned the bloody nose he should've been the prime suspect, they should have checked his phone records immediately
You should figure out why you are so subconsciously 🧲 to true crime. What are you really trying to figure out? Probably something to do with early childhood and parents
@@ninetailedfox579121 Yeah. And demanded a pregnancy test. I just can’t wrap my mind around how he got to “I don’t want to be a father, so I guess murder is the only solution.” Absolutely psychopathic.
Him all out of the blue felt the need to mention she had a nosebleed and dripped blood on her shoe. Come on man, those detectives amateurs or what? Also...After 2 years those genius investigators were thinking all of a sudden, hey, lets check the phone details and find out were the few people involved were those moments????
8/10 has the same value as 80/100 or 0.8 4/5 = 8/10 = 12/15 = 16/20 = 20/25 It's all just higher fractions that equal the same thing, 80%. Apparently that felon/addict knows more about 4th grade math than you do.
@@Gary-And-His-Demons you're a dork because you know all that, but you don't realize that was his point. Obviously humor is lost on you. Hahahahaha! 😂😂😂😂😂Nerd. Go find your grandmom. Get off UA-cam! Hahahahahaha!
The craziest part is John would have most likely went to jail for Annies murder if Joanna didn't crack and tell the truth. Not only did John confirm he knew the victim, but that she was recently at his house. Then there was the house that showed a clear indication of a struggle. All being backed up and verified by the witness Joanna with her lies in court. I really think they would have convicted him, even without the fact that none of Annie's DNA was there. And thats some scary shit right there. But the real MVP was the inmate who came forward and provided the DA with enough information to charge chris as an adult.
I don't think so, because there was blood all over his house that wasn't Annie's, so he obviously assaulted the shit out someone, but obviously not Annie.
@@horsepanther believe whatever you want Chester Chestertons. You clearly don't realize how the police operate when they are backed in a corner. It's not like there have been thousands of innocent people condemned to jail . Only to find out later that they didn't do it 🙄. You want to believe we live in a perfect society. But that perfect society doesn't exist Franky Franklin. You should probably open up your eyes Joe Joe.
How is it that every video I watch truly IS the most twisted case I’ve ever seen.. I know the content is ultra sensitive cases of traumatic situations but EWU is the crew to deliver the goods. Emmy award worthy
@@vipersuphereExacto, es una forma de crear confianza y comodidad para el acusado... De la misma manera que cuando leen los derechos Miranda como quitándoles importancia para que la personas colaboren con la policía
This is such a tragic, disturbing case and I hope the family can heal in their time. What disgusts me almost as much as the crime are the sick people BLAMING her for her death because she's a teenage girl and lied about a pregnancy. Starting to wonder if there are potential murderers lurking in these comments. Thank you for stellar content as usual, EWU. I appreciate the compassion you give the victims in every case and highlight their lives so the focus isn't just on the degenerate murderers and criminals.
@@bojohannesen4352lying about pregnancy isn't good but that doesn't excuse killing someone over it. If that guy is willing to go that far, he would have commited crimes for something else later
What about the crime scene they discovered that wasn’t hers? Can’t believe he killed her without even knowing for sure that she was pregnant or even giving her a chance to explain one way or the other. It appears she wanted to know how he would react and it wasn’t at all what she expected. She probably wanted him to stay with her and he just wasn’t having any of that, especially a baby.. That’s extreme selfishness right there and the family tried to protect him and coached him for the interview after they knew he killed her I think. The unrelated crime scene was truly shocking!
He probably already had bloodlust, and this was just the “excuse” he gave himself to actually do it. If you’re willing to kill this easily, you were already itching to kill.
Also The unrelated crime scene really wasn’t that shocking. He was involved in drug trafficking, which actually is a really violent trade. It’s pretty much to be expected that any career dealer will have been involved in violence. Usually the victims are other people in the trade, like business rivals or someone they’re seeking vengeance on, hence kidnappings. And then someone’s gotta retaliate for that, and on and on so it continues. So it definitely happens, a lot, and it’s not that shocking at all that there was evidence of something like this at his house. People in that game are incredibly desensitized to violence.
This documentary is absolutely mind-blowing! The twist in this case is unlike anything I've ever heard before. The storytelling was excellent. Could you share more about how the investigation unfolded after the twist was revealed? I'm curious about the reactions of those involved
I worked it out straight away. Chris mentioning the blood on the shoe, the dad obviously lying, the motive: Supposedly Annie being pregnant, LJ didn't exist (I thought that immediately). Wow! That's the first case I've solved but it really was obvious. Rest in peace, Annie, you were far too good for that psycho. I hope he never gets out. 😢
The credit goes to the writers of this video if you figured it out quickly. They laid things out in a well researched manner. The investigators had to do it the hard way.
What took the investigators so long to follow up on the call logs and cellphone data? It took 2 years to circle back to the boyfriend when they could have just got a warrant for the phone records.
Imagine if that woman hadn't made a scene, no one would've ever known about that kidnapping. Sure it took longer to get justice for Annie, but her death, solved another crime.
How did these investigators just write chris off as a suspect and didnt bother to fact check his alibi and story until 2 YEARS LATER, just scary that a 14 y/o can do something like this.
The law is never consistent. It all depends on the authorities and how well connected your family is. The police could have screwed up somehow while gathering evidence. You never know. They should have been charged for helping cover up a crime though. I've seen plenty of videos of people getting charged for all sorts of stuff. I don't care how much you love your kid. If you really loved them, you would hold them accountable and get them help for their sickness.
The cops really did a horrible job on this. I feel like it was so obvious from the beginning who did it. Maybe they didn't want to believe a 14 year old could do that..but either way they messed up. Also I'm from Utah and today I've watched 3 different videos true crime that happend in utah that I've never heard of! 😳
It is nice they included the interview with John. I found that his demeanor was sincere, immediately. Even though he is not the freshest guy, he seemed honest. I than knew that Joana was telling BS ließ.
I feel so, so sad for Annie. She had such a tough start in life, then when things began to improve, her life is cut so short in a despicable, horrific way by a cruel, selfish individual she trusted.
@@ronjones-6977she would probably still be alive, it doesn't excuse the hanous crime of course but Clingy Teenage Girl did make the Fatal Mistake of pissing off her Boyfriend with a fake New Boyfriend and him being a Daddy, I get the fake Boyfriend bit but that Girl, especially with her background, has serious issues, not as serious as the Boyfriend but man, if I was a Teenage Boy who had that kind of Girlfriend who the hell needs enemies but the yeah the Boyfriend is a Psycho for killing the Girl, like dude just call her out for her lies.
Wow....talk about "it runs in the family." Here's another family tree that should have never been planted. RIP Annie 🙏 May you put that life behind you and find love and happiness in the next
@@DaisyJane0318 I know, I was just being silly, it was a reference to something said in the video, can't quite remember exactly now as I watched it a while ago but something along the same lines is mentioned somewhere in there
What really got my attention during Chris's first interrogation was when the father tell Chris he called him and Chris turns to look at his dad and asked "you did"? That right there was a red flag for the detectives that this was all rehearsed between the father and son and during the interrogation the father adds this little bit.
Exactlyy!!! He asked "You did?" and then a few sentences later he corrects his dad about the time he called him!!! The call he didn't remember! Unbelievable.
I’m only 10 minutes in an interview just began with her boyfriend. I’m amazed that the father is there and now he’s staring without even blinking. It seems at his son waiting to understand what the heck is going on and I can only imagine my father being there, glaring at me 100% of the time while the officers go at it.
Ok, THIS case was indeed insane, you can’t make this shit up! 😮
This kid is a psychopath. Wow, 14 years old and he's able to murder someone he supposedly cares about in such a violent manner. I hope he's away for a loooooong time.
@@annebruecks738114... he was a loser so I don't understand why he would want to kill someone even if they are pregnant because it's not as if his life is going anywhere anyway.
@@annebruecks7381 he’s a bad kid. He wasn’t born bad. His upbringing made him that way. I blame the parents. Either through abuse, most likely neglect, he became rotten.
@@annebruecks7381and their “baby”!!!!!!
@@sirvilhelmofyonderlandSome kids are bad no matter how great their parents are. Some kids have horrible parents and a nightmarish upbringing, yet they turn out to be very good people. Therefore, regardless of the nurturing aspect, sometimes it truly is down to nature. There are always several factors, but nature is the strongest.
A fine example of this would be the pit bull breed. I know we’re talking about humans, not canines, but it works pretty much the same way. And I know this will make many pit bull enthusiasts / owners angry, but the statistics don’t lie, including with regards to “lab mixes” / mixes which have pit bull genes.
Countless pit bulls and pit mixes (bully breeds) are raised from puppyhood with the most love and best treatment, yet they still snap. This is because they were bred this way for many, many years. It’s simply in their nature. It’s also why they have so much “anxiety” and are “afraid of everything,” then end up chewing through doors and walls. Their nature dictates they destroy.
Hope that Joanna woman got charged with making false claims -- she wasted a lot of police time here.
I sure hope so!!!
Hopefully so. That's was some real crafty work on her end tho. I wonder who got kidnapped.
I knew she was lying. She just wanted attention and put herself in the crime . Her story sounded so made up
At least she got that John dude caught for kidnapping.
She's basically admitting to cleaning a crime scene and covering up a murder. What an idiot.
yikes, honestly the whole family should be charged in court for lying/withholding crucial information to the investigation…
Facts, the dad knew the whole time he wasn't at grandma's and then moved him out of the state asap. Once the kid saw his dad lie for him, he prolly told him the truth so dude knew for sure.
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yes, obstruction of justice
Its bs they didnt get in trouble.
No one should ever get in trouble for protecting a family member... You should never talk to police no matter what.
Can't understand why the father, the grandmother and Joanna were not charged with providing false information to the police as they did so to clearly obstruct the police investigation.
I think that any extra work for these cops would’ve caused blanket mental stress leave in their department🙄. Years of “investigating” Annie’s death (which sounds like the equivalent of about 3 days work) achieved basically nothing - Branching off onto related crimes would’ve possibly raised the bar a little - and that’s the last thing these low functioning clowns would want.
I bet, at the very least, they are on the cops’ radar. The sh*t list of the town.
Well, now they're all viral. All it takes is one vigilante nutjob to doxx & find them.
@@Carolyn184😊😊😊😊
@@Carolyn184sounds about right
I remember way back when EWU was just exploring abandoned buildings…the change has blown this channel up and is so amazing to see the long journey
I was wondering about that a while back! I didn't know for sure, but I thought i remembered a guy and a girl that used to explore abandoned places and was pretty sure it was ewu!
Yes it was and then they sold their channel to the people who have it now and they created a different one
@@ginachenney5733 damn I thought they just upgraded, wonder how much they pay day was
Oh yeah! I never used to watch this channel because of that, and I've only started watching over this last week, then I wondered why I never gave it a chance hahaha 😂
IM NOT CRAZY?
That's just sick... The first idea that comes to his mind after hearing his girlfriend is pregnant, is to murder her? And unnecessarily brutally even? This boy is deeply disturbed and should be locked away forever.
A woman has a higher chance of being harmed or murdered by her partner, once she becomes pregnant. Sad, but true.
@@autumnmiller6046true but also a higher chance of protection too equals out
@GeneralProspecter you would think, but sadly the statistics say otherwise.
@@GeneralProspecter Ummm, what exactly do you mean by it "equals out"? Are you suggesting that it's ok?
He was 14. I admit he made a evil decision but he was also only 14. I doubt he would’ve been the same decision at 18 or 20 years old. Or maybe he just would’ve gotten away with it at that age
Child or not this guy shouldn't ever get out. The emotional detachment to do that to a girl who you think is carrying your child is proof that you shouldn't be allowed around innocent people that aren't corrections officers for the rest of your life.
Greatest Narrator!
Absolute rubbish and sociopathic behavior by that boy. He’s a victimless liar who has no regard for human life.
The pregnancy was an aggravating factor. The leading cause of death in pregnant women is murder, often over unplanned pregnancy that the father/killer doesn't want.
Oh shut up, would you like it if you were an underage kid and had some girl going around telling lies that she was pregnant for you? i bet you wouldn't.
@@jturtle5318Yup. Nothing worse than a female forcing a kid on you. Obviously you don't kill her over it, but man talk about ruining a man's life.
absolutely insane that the investigators didn’t immediately try to cross check and verify everything the kid (and his father) was saying by looking at phone records or anything other than just asking his friend and his family. I know it’s easy to look at this from an outside perspective and say they seemed suspicious all along but the boy “randomly” mentioned annie’s nose bleeding on his shoe, said he agreed to cover for HIS GIRLFRIEND sleeping with someone else and everything he said sounded like it was extremely rehearsed.
See I agree but I feel like the nose bleed thing could have been believe able. My husband and daughter get random ass nose bleeds all the time and some are messy.
What threw me the most was him offering to take the blame about someone else sleeping with his girlfriend….like boy what? That doesn’t make sense.
It would be one thing if he was simply pretending to be Annie boyfriend but he was actually her boyfriend. 🤦♀️🤷♀️😱
warrants take time.
@@Raraking4796 But have you been trained to be a Detective? No. You're a normal person. It was bad Detective work. The end.
What do you mean the outside perspective? If thats the case then Detectives should invite armchair TrueCrimers to help them with their cases!? It's not OUR job. It's their job to BE suspicious. THEY have the experience, we don't. Plus that woman who was off her head on uppers or Meth or Coke. She sounded like she was lying through her teeth!!! I know what I sound like after a night out and NO you do NOT believe a word I say lol. Plus they caught a lucky crime with John but you could tell he was telling the truth though his house stank of a crime scene. I couldn't believe when they moved away from those lying boys! The Dad was so obvious with the wide stance legs and nonchalant way. It was TOO laidback for your sons good friend who has just been murdered and he had seen her that night. It was sooo rehearsed. In fact the only believable thing was the nosebleed lol! It was shocking. The boy was not upset or startled. And he laid on the cute boy act. Plus his friend was trying to be so 'cool man howdy' that it was obvious he was covering for his friend. I just thought straight off the LJ thing was BS. A gang?? And he's hanging out with you guys? Sleeping with her? Would a mother who is a social worker not 'see the signs that her daughter is hanging out with dealers/gang people'? Urgh. Lol, I thought it was awful Detective work. Like when they did not question Lori about her husband being shot by her brother.
@ir9567 no I haven't but I don't think we can say that based on one person's re-telling of the case and partial clips from interviews. You are purely making a assumption. Either way the detectives have to follow every lead otherwise reasonable doubt can be called into questions during the trial. They don't have to be proven innocent by the defense they simply have to prove reasonable doubt.
The cops DEFINITELY should have asked more questions about crazy Lori brother shoot her husband. Simply based off the body cam footage that shit didn't even sound like self defense.
It is realy pleasing to see millions of others watching these videos too. It confirms that am not becoming a serial killer or anything
Or are you.
one of my colleague was very concerned of me reading about middle age serial killers. He even hid the book and said that it will affect me. Bless his pure heart. He passed away few years ago from diabetes complications. He was such a good christian.
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@@Brendan-fy6nethat part...like why even think that 🤔 😑
Spoilers but the fact that he said his friend was sleeping when her nose started bleeding but then his friend said he SAW it happen is what tipped me off. The police didn't catch that? They didn't think to check the phone records?? It took them TWO YEARS to think of that??? Crazy
“Flat effect is concerning.”
“Being concerned is reminiscent of a guilty person.”
This is why I can’t stand that body language bs and analysis from amateurs. I prefer the investigations without commentary from youtubers. They contradict themselves every other sentence and will say anything to dramatize a situation. I have seen it happen time and again towards innocent people. (Not saying these people are innocent, just speaking in general terms.)
@@ripwednesdayadams very well said. i've been saying this too lately. Most of these 'body language analysis' are based on jack shit. 'this person is scratching their nose so that means they took part in this murder' right. superficial nonesense most of it.
They literally ARENT amateurs @@ripwednesdayadams
THATS EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT. I was like "the heck, dude- you were literally *sleeping* how did u witness it"
Annie did not deserve any of that. Over a pregnancy rumor. Unbelievable. She thought she was running away with someone she loved. I cannot believe a 14 year old would stomp on a shovel on someone's head. Absolutely disgusting. 14 is so young. To be that evil at such a young age and take someone's life in such a cruel way...
Blame the parents, obviously something was going on for him to have enough rage/anger to do something like this.
I thought the same. How can anyone be that brutal, period, but at that age. That’s how he thought he should do it? Long and drawn out with a shovel edge… my god. 14….. poor poor girl. Her last moments must have been so confusing and scary.
@@kevinpurcell4211It's called a lack of upbringing and being raised by a computer and phone.
Can't just let kids "figure it out" and not expect shit like this 🤦♂️
@@kevinpurcell4211 the daddy was also quick to be his alibi. he probably got away with a lot of stuff. I know many parents who don't really put in the effort that they should. it's hard to see it happen, but what can we do? my only contribution is not having children and trying to be there for the kids that I know are having a rough home life. some parents are checked out and really do not care what goes on.
@@kevinpurcell4211 Nope, some people are born this way: they're just evil psychopaths that don't have an "excuse" for these horrendous crimes.
This one really hit close to home. Thank you for covering Annie’s story. I knew her and went to the funeral - it was absolutely packed. She was a great person who touched the hearts of those around her and didn’t deserve what happened. Miss you Annie, RIP
Mind the white boy you follow man can kill because of fake pregnancy and many get away with it because of they are Caucasian
im so soso so sorry
Ik so sorry, May she rest in peace
This breaks my heart. I felt awful for her and the people that adopted her from
The first minute and actually reading a comment from someone that knew her breaks my heart. This poor girl deserved so much more and such a young kid makes me so upset. I’m sorry for your loss.
I'm truly sorry for the loss of your friend Annie, absolutely horrific what was done to her, especially from a child. Rest in peace little angel 🙏 Love and respect to you all from Ireland 🇮🇪 ❤
I watch a lot of these videos especially on this channel, but this case was the first time in a while I was genuinely so shocked at not only the plot twists and mist direction that occurred, but the way the victim died. How tf do you just stomp on someone’s face and not feel a thing and live your life after that??? He should be in prison the rest of his life!!! The fact that his first thoughts after committing his own gf’s murder, being that he “won’t get caught” just shows how much he lacks empathy and is def a psychopath
Definitely!!
My god, the facebook comments made my skin crawl
If you think the stomping on the face was bad look of Allen R Schindler. That case breaks my heart when they describe his injuries in detail.
Utterly disturbing. The grandmother and dad in denial making excuses for him. DISGRACEFUL
You’re normal that’s why it makes you sick. Facts are there are many that have and will always walk among us that are the complete opposite.
How the hell anyone that commits such a heinous crime could ever get parole is appalling. This man could be loose in 11 years. That's insane. He's a monster.
Yep. But he's both a minor and pled guilty - maybe they thought there was a chance he could barely get off if they went to trial, or if they were having trouble getting him charged as an adult.
Parole gives people a reason to behave and work towards something. The lack of this caused many prisoners to not care about their actions in prison, which is dangerous to other inmates and the COs.
@@zacharyb2723 The video explains that he was charged and sentenced as an adult. It's a soft sentence.
@@Rebekkashahtirmizi We understand how parole works. It's not relevant to the original comment.
@Rebekkashahtirmizi Rather than a pithy, twatty little comment like the one above, I would like to say thank you for your thoughts on parole. It's an interesting strategy to try and avoid re-offending isn't it. Anyhoo, have a good weekend 👍
The way his dad lied so nonchalantly for him, specifically his body language and tone. Pro liar right there.
Apple never falls far from the tree as the saying goes... Hell his father got it from grandma apparently.
Knew the dad was a shady dude once he said he went to the bar and told his kid to go to his grandmas because he’s bringing company back if that isn’t a parent red flag idk what is
@@JustTryingToUA-camso true, and unfortunately it's far to common in today's society. Parents are too busy partying and sleeping around to parent. They rely on the failing schools system and daycare to raise their kids. Fathers need to be fathers. Mothers need to be mothers. This is why I hate alcohol and modern dating culture.
@@BushidoNinja Sure it's not because nobody's f*cking you? Sure sounds like it.
I know sick family mfs
Explaining away the blood on his shoes was a red flag right from the start. I've noticed that when people volunteer details like this with a clear explanation about where it came from, it's often a sign that they have thought thoroughly about how to avoid suspicion (when in fact it does the complete opposite)
Although some people, like my mother, are just oversharers. You could meet her for the first time today and know everything about her by tomorrow.
You got that insight from EWU video's
And yet it took the authorities 2 years to review his mobile phone data.
@@SirHumphrey498Not everyone is as clueless as...
@@jarmakey1 yeah, just suspicious, not evidence of anything.
My jaw dropped and I literally had to stop what I was doing when they said he took the shovel placed it on her forehead and then repeatedly stomped on it. A 15 year old?? Like what would possess you to do something so horrific?? I really hope he never gets paroled. May Annie rest peacefully 💔
the fact he killed her and turned around and said "i dont know why anyone would do this" just shows how much of a psychopath he is.. rip annie 💔💔
Yep
26:39 how fast can a crackhead talk 😵💫
Why did he turn around and say it? Was he facing the other way?
Annie was kind of a whack-job too, though. Faking a pregnancy requires a fair degree of mental derangement. There is no reason to do that other than manipulation, selfishness, deception, and revenge. Nobody in this story was innocent, not even the victim.
@@liamd5645 Yes, first he showed one face to his victim, and then he showed a different face to the public.
15 to life for murdering your (presumed) pregnant girlfriend with a shovel??? Do we really need to give this kid an out? There’s no correcting this behavior, keep him far away from society
Agree!! "Life" is 25yrs I believe so with him being so young he'll be out by 40! Unbelievable 😮
@@LeeLeeCRNMan, the system sucks! If this would’ve happened to my child and with the community I live in, he might walk out that prison at 40, but he definitely wouldn’t be walking for long. I know God wants us to forgive and love each other but I would need His comfort and love to bring me through this. Fly high Annie
@Peoplepeaseyour comments on these videos are concerning 😂 someone needs to keep an eye on you
We can get life in prison for aborting an ectopic pregnancy in some states.
@@debrajones4010sharia law:😏
How has no one mentioned how crazy it is that John's house showed signs of a gruesome crime and that he ended up confessing to a separate kidnapping?! I know it would've derailed the story a bit but I was curious to hear more about that.
Oh I haven't got to that bit yet! This is wild!
I mean, John was clearly BEFUDDLED by the name Annie. There was total sincerity in his responses. He was lost.
Yeah, absolutely insane that he was involved in a unrelated kidnapping. I'm unclear if it happened the same night???
it’s hilarious the most hardened criminal was the most honest
probably just took out a rival banger.
no one really gonna care about that.
Yes, more violence that was clearly overlooked, wth?
That they found a whole other crime in all of this blows my mind.
I haven't started the video properly yet but in about 60% of cases police/investigator's find multiple crimes attached to the one they are suspected
Example: Jeffrey Dahmer they got called their because of 1 guy being assaulted and escaping only to find multiple other victims
Well that woman had her own crime going so it was like three crimes in one you know what I'm saying it was like she was lying through her teeth to frame the other guy that sold out on her and meanwhile they're committed another crime and she makes up a murder crime for the reasoning of the blood on the door man I tell you demons those are all demons all demons hope they go to lake a sulfur imagine how many more like that I'm telling you the demons are walking amongst us to the guy in a parking lot he was just sitting in the parking lot watching people at Ross just shopping by himself he never got out of that car for like who knows how long so I took pictures of it right and I assumed in later when I was analyzing the f****** man was a demon hit horns his whole face was all like riddled with gross stuff and his that door that was tinted you know your doors tinted it was like a mirror and it reflected his reflection back and it was like two faces but it was his reflection and that's not normal that was some supernatural stuff cuz there's no way that's not normal anyway I'm telling you there's demons amongst us walking driving cars probably flying airplanes that's why you hear all these people in high positions doing some f***** up s*** cuz they're freaking demons they you never know you or your aunt or nieces could have a demon demonic boyfriend I don't know how they come about I have no idea but thanks to covid covid opened a whole world of all kinds of s*** to me and actually saved my life like four times so I'm telling you it's just weird unless I'm just making this all up in my own mind and don't even know it but I'm telling you normal people don't do normal things like that and she had no business sneaking out she just ruined it herself tell him why I'm telling lies but at the same time she uncovered how easily people can just snap and not even think about the consequences and how easily people can just kill somebody and just clean it up that guy was replacing carpet and you know what I mean just like a professional like he was already oh well this is what you got to do got to do it and just whipped it out and telling you they're all over the place why do you think you see them drying all these Vans and trucks I'm telling you it's not to overcompensate for what they don't have is just you know they're all up to something
I knew it from the begining. As soon as the father said "oh wait we are talking about last saturday, oh no I was coming home at..." he was obviously lying for his son. Disgusting, the whole family is disgusting. They should have been all charged. Shout out to the inmate who came forward and told tell. Let's hope this monster never gets out
You would’ve done the same for your child
@@ahdexter7688 no, no I would not cover for a killer.
@@ahdexter7688 No, YOU would do the same for YOUR child.
Right. He had already stated he was thinking about Saturday, so it was too late to use a date mix-up as a reason for changing his story.
@@millyvice4423you would still love your child
He was 14 and made a dumb desicion
He deserves a second chance
I can confirm, as a teacher, girls write their bf's name all over everything. I don't think it always means they are obsessed. It's pretty normal. The other info in the journal about baby etc; however, is an indication of obsession.
The adjective obsessed is often used to simply mean "very interested."
@@punawelewele”obsessed” has a extreme/negative connotation to it, the same way “stench” is a more negative connotation of “aroma”
@AndyWitmyer
Totally! It's like guys and band names.
@IGcantstopfactsbreh
Could be or they're just bored. The really obsessive lack a stable father figure. Saw theirs leave. Desperate trying to find ways to lock in who they think they love. So, so 😢!
@SUPER_WOLFMOON Yep, and unfortunately females in this society are too often given a pass for trying g babytrap men with unwanted pregnancies.
When you don't give men the same equal protection to opt out of Parenthood: i.e childsupport murder becomes an option in the minds of desperate sociopaths
A 15 year old girl doodling her boyfriends names all over everything isn't something that should be shocking, or a red flag. That's pretty common behavior for younger teen girls. Boyfriends, crushes, or even their favorite hot movie star.
I used to do that in middle school with my crush lol
Yeah, that's common behavior. Nothing unusual about that at all. I dont know why they thought it was odd.
Nah, it's obsessive. There's more to life than your teenage relationship. Finding someone important and obsessing over them are notably different.
@@frankupham1214NO IT'S NOT
@@lorileew2337still Obsessive though, yeah sure Teenage Girls like to talk about boys and how to make them jelous because it makes them look hot but its still Obsessive behaviour form a Child especially when this one Grew up in broken household,
Which makes it way more intense psychologically hence the Fake Pregnancy unfortunately for her that lie resulted in her death.
He probably told her to write the note and say “don’t come looking for me , I don’t want to be found. “ she was excited to leave with her boyfriend. They probably talked about it for a while. It’s definitely premeditated with acknowledgement for potential repercussions, because he meticulously planned what he wanted to happen. He probably made up an elaborate plan to get her to believe they were going to run away. He probably master minded and persuaded her to come with him. As a young in love teenager she was excited to go and probably wasn’t thinking about long term she just wanted to get away from the lies. I see myself in her. It’s crazy. It makes my chest hurt listening to how she lost her life to something like this. She was excited and ready to leave. She wrote the letter prior and it wasn’t rushed, she used proper grammar like commas in appropriate places and her handwriting and spelling was on point.
To think you’re running away with your boyfriend and she’s all excited. To meet up with him to get k_lled out of nowhere.
It’s heartbreaking.
I pray for her soul and her family. He took her future away. I wish she could have had someone to confide in.
He is evil. He planned this, played her for an extended time, coerced her to write a letter to save him time of people finding out. If these is true that proves premeditation. The family knew but feared losing him at so young.
Also,
I might add, I think I missed it but did they ever find out what the First Lady knew really. The woman who was seemingly high came in and made this whole story. How did she know where she died. I guess because she was going off the news report. She had to be on an upper to go in and falsely place yourself at the scene of a crime. She may know more because she added the change her clothes part , was the entire outfit released? She knew blood was involved. Idk I think she knew too much to almost have someone falsely convicted of murder. Maybe she was there and knew Chris and wanted to help him. Then she knew about LJ RIGHT? How when this happened. Then she said her jaw moved in a weird way. And I don’t know.
THIS IS ALL ALLEGED OR IN MY PERSONAL OPINION.
REST IN PEACE, ANNIE !!
My condolences to her loved ones.
well said 👏🏽 RIP ANNIE ❤ !!
She didn't know shit, everything she talked about was publicly known information and she added some of her own drug fuelled embellishments on top.
Honestly I think it's a little disgraceful that the cops took this middle aged crackhead with obvious ulterior motives at her word
She didn't even know how to spell sympathy
All true facts!!!¡
Sounds like these cops were inept. They spent two years investigating red herrings, whilst all along, the phone data of everyone involved not only showed Chris's location at the bridge that night, but that his family were also lying about his alibi. It is well known that phone data is one of the first things to investigate and often a crucial line of enquiry.
Yup police shear stupidity … all they had to say was “a Mexican did it”
I was just about to write this. I mean what 95 year old detective didn't think about cell data?
I think there was plenty of probable cause (blood on his shoe, regardless of BS story about a nosebleed) to get a warrant for cell records. ALWAYS the intimate partner is the first potential suspect. Seems very sloppy investigation.
Yep, leave your phone behind if you’re going to go GTA 🎉
@@dronepilot260rc Agreed. And use burner phones
This was a friend of mine and when she was murdered it shook me to my core. I was 13, a few weeks away from turning 14 when this happened. It’s still hard to believe this happened to her. She was such a caring and funny person with so much to offer the world. Rest in paradise beautiful. I’ll see you again one day! I’m so happy you finally got Justice! I’m sorry you had to go that way. Please know how loved and missed you are!❤️
I haven't finished the video, I'm ready comments while listening but I hope you're ok. ❤ It's hard to see this kind of stuff at that age happen to someone the same age. Stay safe. ❤
@@jessicabancroft-h5nwell said. Such a sad story. 😢. I couldn't imagine losing a friend in such a horrible way and at a young age.
Sorry you lost a friend in such a horrible way
Just watched
..and yh I was ready for the them to bust this Lj??then it ended up being her own bf??I'm sorry,for u...for her...and we can Def understand why this would bother u!!I can't fathom it myself,ESPECIALLY with what the inmate revealed!!that poor girl, was already unhappy with her life, and wanted to try to make something, AND wanted to believe in someone she thought was really there for her!!!
U just never really know what is going on in someone's head!!no matter how close u are,no matter how happy that person acts,no matter anything!!😑✌️🥃
The way he killed her was absolutely despicable. How old was she? She looked older than 14 and was LJ even a real person?
How is this channel popping out so many consistent A+ stories??? This is easily my favorite true crime channel….. I feel like I’m a expert in interrogation techniques and body language without a degree… Thanks EWU❤
Same, we do the same, like his palms are up! Red flag!
Best crime Chanel
Remind me not to become your neighbour...but if I do remind me not to make you mad 😅
peachiep2734 you are spot on. Phenomenal channel.
@@lawiwagosho3231 The coco- chanel
"is that 8 out of 10 or 80 out of 100?"
"Uh.... I'm pretty sure that's like the same thing?"
Yeah, police officers are not the smartest people...
And he asked him "on a scale of 1 to 10..." in the first place... like get it together dude. XD
waiting to see someone point that out 😭😭
Hahaha I caught that too 😳
Annie lived near me. I never knew her but a lot of my close friends knew her personally and her death sent shockwaves through the community. The minute I heard her last name said, my blood ran cold. Im so relieved she got justice, but her loss is felt by so many regardless.
Annie, the 15 yr old slutbag who slept with gangsters and murderers? Yeah, sure, what a loss.
I don’t believe she got justice her family is going to pay tens of thousands of dollars to house and feed the person who killed her it’s terrible that we live in a country where you can kill someone in cold blood and then that family would pay for that killer to live he has no reason and should have no right to live for what he has done
I hope your friends and people are ok it’s terrible that she was stripped away from her community and parents in such a tragic way
You lived near her? Then you'd be around the same area as all these folks that covered up her murder. You're in a town of villainy .
@@ledarbyromeo9667Yep. No argument on my end. This entire state is corrupt to the bones and the minute I’m able to leave I’m going to.
How wonderful that it was her mother that actually laid the evidence to catch her killer.
i didn't catch that part. what did she do?
thanks in advance.
@@MyLolleshe called the little psycho to find out if he had seen Annie. This was minutes after Annie’s death and the phone records placed him right there at that bridge.
Edit: 10 mins to minutes.
@@mrmagoozle the cops were idiots entertaining All These Little Rascals bulshit
@@TinyTinaTeaParty thank you, I thought it might have been more sooner. Comment edited 👍🏽
@@MyLolle wish more comments were this cordial
Sidenote: I watch a lot of these types of video from other content creators and I have to say You have THEE best talking Voice for this type of content! I could listen all day.
For reall 😂I swear some peoples stories are so good but I can’t listen cuz thier voice is soooo annoying
he has “true crime” voice
It’s the ai voice they all use lol
@@rebeccathomas8125 Not AI voice, I believe this channel hires an outside voice actor to read their transcripts. If you go back their older videos are still narrated by real people but the voices are far less on tone and professional.
sidenote? you like a.i? hahaha egg.
I would never let this young man out of prison, he's just to dangerous to be allowed in public, and even his family should be afraid of him.
Thanks for sharing this story and kudos to the wonderful work that these officers do every day!💕
I love the EWU channels bc y’all don’t just tell the story; you include information from all different professionals. It makes the story a lot more interesting when things are analyzed & broken down by people who know what they’re talking about instead of just commentary from a creator talking about the cases.
It is obvious that y’all put a lot of work, research & effort into these videos to make them as informative as possible. Gives an entirely different perspective!! ❤❤
Very well said!!!
And the narrator sounds like a real person and knows how to pronounce words correctly.
@@yakk13His name is Russell Archey. 👍🏽
@@yakk13 Yup, not one of those stupid computer voices or someone talking with an absolutely bizarre cadence to their words
I've only watched 18 minutes so far and this is unrelated to the case but I can't imagine how uncomfortable it would be as a kid to not be able to sleep in my home because my dad was brining over "company". Getting kicked out of the house has to feel awful, your kid isn't just some roommate, they're your kid and they should feel secure in your house.
I had the same thought. Something "off" there.
Actually, your thought IS "related to the case", perhaps in terms of speaking to that teen's environment.
Who you become is heavily based on your parents. Treat/teach your kid poorly and they will do the same to others. Clearly, this kid didn't have a good family to provide him an example of how to be healthy. That plays a huge role in why he ended up doing what he did.
@@Solutions3000actually 🤓 ☝️
His Dad is a crap person but parents deserve to have a life too. Nothing wrong with a kid going to Grandmas so a parent can get a break. It’s much better than parents that bring everybody they meet around their kids.
I just started listening to this case and hoping it’s as accurate as it really was. Horribly I assisted on this case. Brings back a lot of sad memories for Annie and the original detective Derek Johnson who was promoted to Sergeant while investigating this case then was murdered in the line of duty shortly after being promoted. Johnson is the first officer interviewing Chris in the small room. RIP Annie and Derek!!
Are you a cop
You two kids are awful. I hope you never need a cop
@@PaperMakersAdeludedbroadegdelord
@@Langevinhomestead retired Sergeant
So whats the verdict on video?
Only 15 years in prison for Murder! The U.S law baffles me. What a bitter pill to swallow
15 years to life. I swear so many people in the comments don’t listen properly. There is no way he is getting out in 15 years. They do that because he was a minor when it was committed, so his sentence isn’t appealed.
Someone with a murder charge is never getting parole no need to worry.
You think that’s a joke Australia is so much worse look up the colt family cult
Is the kid was Hispanic or black and killed a young white girl sheesh he would have gotten life
Stfu he'll get out
It is realy pleasing to see millions of others watching these videos too. It confirms that am not becoming a serial killer or anything 😅
Not at all. For me it’s the curiosity of trying to understand how a person can become a killer. My brain isn’t able to compute that; and at such a young age!
I’m 47 and I haven’t hurt anyone, I get nervous just watching people fight on video clips!
@@Cesar-pq2ck go watch his recent video. 19 year old kid. That pissed me off because he was bragging about it.
Dad calls from the Lazy Dog Saloon: “I told you I was gonna have ‘company’ so I asked you to stay at grandma’s.” Father of the Year right here.
I agree 💯%✌🏻🫶
Yes exactly what i thought, i actually grimaced to myself when he said that 😬
You got that right. Seems the “company”, unsurprisingly, had no intentions of turning up. Only thing that does make sense. To be covering for his son he must’ve known the heinous thing he’d done - and it seems dad, & good ol’ girl nan for that matter, were ok with it.
I'll bet the trashy gran and dad told themselves Chris was "justified" in what he did because Annie was a tramp who had basically deserved it. People like that are all about "Rules for thee but not for me".
Who cares? The grandmother lives a few doors down.
With that kind of convenience it makes sense he do so if he is going to have someone over rather than keep the kid around to hear and perhaps accidentally see whatever he and his "company" decide to get up to.
The police could have solved that case so much sooner if they had actually taken the right steps and checked phone evidence immediately. And a search warrant of chris' house would reveal things immediately as well. They just botched that whole investigation.
They must have collected the trash with the notes in the initial investigation.. they had rock solid evidence for two years and just didn't look at it.
Okay but if they did that would they have had that credit card theif admitting to covering up a murder with totally different guys thinking it was the same woman?
Interesting how the ‘delay’ caused trials as adults, though.
This situation is infuriating! The entire family should face charges for their deceit and the information they concealed. It's outrageous that he only received a 15-year sentence. Justice seems far from served, given the severity of their actions and the lives impacted by their dishonesty.
Grandma & dad should’ve been charged with accessory & got time! Also 2 years to finally investigate phone records of the main players in the case, that’s terrible, that’s like one of the first things you should do!
Wtf
This story is so frustrating! His whole family should be charged with how they lied and withheld information! So disgusting that he only got 15 years
He got 15 to life. Judges do this for a reason. He was tried as an adult for a crime committed when he was a minor. If thr judge imposed a sentence that could seem excessively harsh, it is likely it could be overturned on appeal. Because the kid plead guilty, he wouldnt be able to appeal the conviction. But he could appeal the sentence. The appeals court would likely deny an appeal, since 15 years isnt unreasonable. But it is 15 years to life. The parole board will not be granting him parole any time soon. The graphic nature of the crime makes him a danger to society. He would be lucky to get out in 50 years.
I’m sure he’s going to go to hell
Anyone under 18 will get 25 years maximum if you don't f up in jail.
So… somehow she thought admitting to her involvement in covering up a murder would get her off her other charges? Genius.
Not the brightest... like imagine going to the police to try and help an investigation, but ONLY if you get immunity. How about just doing it because it's right?
I love out of nowhere the interviewer had to whisper " who's sal?" Is so funny for not reason, these types of things I find funny definitely make me believe I'm on the spectrum
As someone who is on the spectrum: lol
Idk, maybe I've just been watchin' too much true crime stuff in my day, but I'm utterly BAFFLED at how shoddy the detective work was on this case!!! How TF did the police not seek the call records of Chris or Spencer? Why TF would they just accept their stories at face value? The nosebleed thing was such an OBVIOUS lie! Like how convenient is it that Chris is sittin' there stone-faced being interrogated for the murder of HIS GIRLFRIEND, and he just so happened to get blood from her on his shoe of all places? Why would he even feel the need to mention that if, ya know, HE DIDN'T KILL HER?!
And how about the fact that the cops just ran with that LJ story without ever finding him? The idea that Chris just went along with a story that Annie had sex with some random dude named LJ and potentially impregnated her, and Chris is just totally cool with that? What NORMAL ASS PERSON would be cool with that?! And then that crazy meth head chick that came forward tellin' this bizarre ass bullshit ass story all happily and gleefully about a murder so nonchalantly as if she was talkin' about a funny anecdote that happened at her job last week. How TF could the police even POSSIBLY buy that?! She was OBVIOUSLY lying!!! And then worst of all, you mean to tell me it took TWO WHOLE ASS YEARS for these cops to finally search through the phone records?!?! That shit should've been the **FIRST** step!!!
Honestly I usually try to avoid looking at an investigation and calling out "the obvious" steps that should have been taken, but this just feels like a series of giant misses. Following the LJ red herring, the nose bleed story not really being pressed harder, hiz feelings on her getting with LJ a supposed 2nd boyfriend, phone records?!! Maybe in 2012 they just hadn't thought of it, but kids still texted a bunch back then how did they not see that and focus on him.
These detectives were terrible. Props to them not giving up, even though they're not particularly good investigators they did manage to gut it out.
Other cases probably came up. Trust me I'm right outside of Baltimore, people get thrown under the bus quick especially a foster kid girl who was considered fast for her age, runs away a lot, pretending to be pregnant, it's sad but they probably didn't give a fuck about her as a person.
unfortunately, what else is new. it seems like its so rare for LE to actually give a f and do their job, that when they do were amazed and have to commend them. i know it's a hard job. but damn it's like every other case I watch, im screaming at LE for mishandling the case in some way. 😮💨
Preach ‼️‼️‼️
This is absolutely insane, so many terrible people in this story. Right when i heard chris and spencer say they had never seen or met LJ i knew he wasn't a real person and probably made up by one or both of the boys. Idk how they were able to fool the cops for that long with a whole ass made up person
Me too. I knew that guy might have been fake.
@@bentonrpYou KNEW that guy MIGHT have been fake?!? 😂
trashbender, investigators call that "the disappearing perpetrator". Criminals try to pull that every time. Nobody had ever actually seen LJ.
@@bensonnick169 Yeah. I knew that guy was possibly maybe probably potentially a fake guy. Maybe even a made up one. 🙂
Didnt he say that she had talked about LJ in her journals though.? 11:00
I remember being 12 and my brother 16,and my mom answering the door to the police. We were both very close to her. She didn't even answer to the "good morning mam" of the police officers,she turned and grab my and my brothers necks and just asked: whom did it and what???? She scared the life out of us and the sh/+ out of the police officers. They were there just to ask about a neighbor.... We are now in our 40's and we never ever had any trouble with the authorities. We always knew tgat she will be the first to call police on us if we were asking for trouble. She passed away 12 years ago and we still think 10 times before doing something, what mom would think about it. She was the best and sweetest mother but she also wanted us to be safe and out of trouble
That's a good mama ❤
I unfortunately I found my 14 year old son buying weed carts off of Snapchat & immediately turned it over to a family friend that was a detective. It sucked but it scared & pissed me the fuck off that my son was meeting grown men to buy weed. He didn't get in trouble as the detective kept his name out of it but I believe in accountability & would never lie ESPECIALLY about something as horrifying as murder. 😢. You had a good momma, I'm sorry you lost her. I was a bad kid, my dad a Judge & I can't tell you how many times he turned my ass over to the police. I'm super thankful because as an adult having a child I finally understood why..
@@Flmom15ahhh sounds like a straight up kid! Nothing wrong with that
my mother has always told me and my siblings from day one we better not mess around and screw up because she’ll be the first to report us and hold us accountable and THENNN on top of that we better pay and hope we never make it out of jail because what she’s going to do to us would be so much worse than anything we could imagine the officers would do. I’m way more scared of my mom and how my actions affect her than i am detectives and she raised me to be like that. i won’t lie or do awful things especially legally becasue i’m afraid she’ll find out and send me back to where i can from smh
What a good, loving Mother. She brought you guys up right.
They don’t make women like that anymore. You and your brother are very lucky to have a mama bear like that. ❤️
The amount of people hurt or murdered aling that area is insane! The Jordan River Parkway runs from the southern Wasatch Front valley all the way north towards Ogden. Ive run many times, and now people dont go there at all! Drugs, needles, rapists, pschopaths, its insane! My father was a very decorated officer; including Chief of Police. I WISH i could unhear and unsee so much!
What horrible police work. If they had simply checked his phone records from the beginning they could have solved the case as soon as it started.
Didn't care because she was adopted
@persephoneperry776 where'd you get that from?
@@persephoneperry776wtf XD, that's such a wild take lol. The likely answer is that it takes alot of time and resources to get phone company's to comply with a request, and they didn't see the point when both kids had already been cleared with what the police thought at the time was a solid alibi.
@@DashingToJapan adopted theory is wack. But they should have checked the phone records ASAP. shouldn't have taken the word of two kids.
It was a mistake.
@@DashingToJapan nah. Chris ditched school that day. These detectives are fkn morons. Even without the cell phone, Chris should’ve been number one suspect until all his whereabouts were verified.
It was pretty obvious very early on that "LJ" was imaginary. Rest in peace 🕊️, Annie. 💔 I feel awful for her adoptive parents, who bonded to her during foster care and loved her enough to become her family. She deserved a chance, a future. Those guys are so disgusting for this. 🤬
Right? Didn’t even give the “guy” a proper name lmao. Giving a shady mystery man figure a two initial name is literally one of the oldest tropes in the book 🤦♀️ and they fell for it 🤦♀️🤦♀️
Wasnt LJ an account created by Annie initially though?
Trashy people like this exist in a lot of places and sadly their votes count just as much as yours and mine.
It always infuriates me when people who lie for othere or make false rape claims dont get punished too often.
46:30
You are correct.
Chris saying the part about annie's nosebleed was so guilty. It was obvious he did it at that point.
This one was pretty obvious even on the first questioning. I cant believe cops took two years to put the pieces together
every time he said the cops/detectives were "working relentlessly" I think.. nah
Bruh I’ve seen cops leave a handcuffed person in their car on train tracks as a train was coming and seen cops gun a man down cause they got the address wrong at 2am. I’m not surprised anymore.
I’m not a cop lover, but they are just men. Cops aren’t perfect, we agree, but they aren’t all knowing deities. Mistakes happen, but when they happen in life and death situations, that’s tragic.
Cops aren't particularly smart or efficient, they just never let go.
It's not easy to gather evidence that leads to conviction.
Is no one else shocked that children are having such intimate relationships? It’s quite scary
Mostly in the western world.
Sad but true.🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻🤷🏻♀️
@ducati3241 yeah let's pretend that in countries like India and most muslim countries they dont force 10 year old girls to marry 30+ dudes
I'm not shocked. Almost everyone I knew as a teenager was sexually active and or in a "serious" relationship. I got my gf pregnant when I was 15, she was 16. No surprise there, she claimed she couldn't get preg for some reason that sounded good at the time but as an old dude I still feel dumb for believing. At that age for a shy young man, you don't think about the future that much I was just thrilled that a really hot girl with her own car not only liked me "that way", she thought the sun rose and set in my pants and wanted it bareback at least once every day at a minimum. My story is far from unique. By comparison, most of my circle of friends were sexually active before I was at 15. I can't imagine it's changed that much now.
I am not shocked at all but it's troubling.
Very, especially her parents essentially permitting it by telling her to use birth control. How awful. She is a CHILD, and does not need to be having sex, period. That’s how shit like this happens. It’s so tragic.
It took them 2 years to actually test if there was any blood from a nose bleed in the friends house? Also, with the killers weird behavior during his initial interrogation, they didn’t think to check his cell phone location the night of the murder? Seems like the cops fumbled quite a bit, but then again they were lead down the John/LJ path, but still, it took them 2 years?
Well said, agree 💯
That crazy Joanna Franklin bitch through them off also, but they should have checked chris' phone records
This stuff threw me off as well. Like, why not investigate everything? Not to mention them not seeing Chris' plans he had thrown in the trash until 2 years later? Wth were they doing?
@@bluenymph2887 That's the thing, they had to have recovered those in the initial investigation.. they had those notes in evidence for two years
Most people would look past a 14 year old child and look into what seems more likely. However, they still should have checked it out.
And his dad doesn't seem to be a responsible parent. He obviously was a troubled boy and committed a gruesome crime. He wasn't sentenced harsh enough. These types of violent crimes should ALWAYS be life in prison with no parole.
He is a minor.
Or death considering it was a child! I have a daughter who just turned 7. She is never out of my sight. I also taught her if someone ever tried to kidnap her. She knows to bite enough to break skin, scratch enough to to make them bleed, pull their hair, kick and scream and if they cover her mouth bite their hand. I also told her to if necessary leave something behind, she always wears bracelets or a hair tie, and leave some of her hair on it. She may be little for her age, but she is strong.
@@outlawJosieFox They have put minors in prison for life and the death penalty
No crimes are punished properly in the United States of America. They love their criminals
@@ashleysmith5001the us has never put any minor on death row 🤦🏻♀️ u are an ignorant fk .. minors don’t get life without parole or death penalty so maybe u need to learn the laws before spewing nonsense
I completely understand that the police have to be as thorough as possible, but how did they ever believe she was killed somewhere else and dumped by the bridge? There's no way she would have bled that much by the water if she was killed at a different location first...I'm glad it was finally solved, and that he's serving his sentence. RIP Annie.
That bit had me confused as well. It didn't really make sense why someone would bring a body without concealing it just throwing blood all around. Like, what if they get caught doing all of that? The vehicle would also have blood everywhere.
Also the fact that Joanna literally gave away a motive for framing someone she doesn't care about (to get immunity) and only used knowledge that is already publicly available... But I can't blame the cops too much for wanting to investigate a seemingly good lead, especially since she had done a lot of research.
Why weren't the phone records taken earlier to confirm the alibis?
RIP Annie indeed
@@vez3834it seems “John” had already murdered or beaten someone bloody in his house and she used that as an excuse to put Annie at the scene.
thx to those detectives for not giving up and finding the full details.
How did they miss so much evidence for so long? It's so weird to me that they didn't check some of those phone records way ahead of time.
Phone records take awhile. Crime shows make all this stuff look instant, but it often takes time for warrants to go through, records to be compiled by the providers, all the paperwork to go through, etc.
They don’t take 2 years! These cops totally gave up on the shaky kid and chose to believe a tweaker instead of following multiple lines of questioning and evaluating evidence. The kid acted totally suss. The only halfway believable person was the friend. Still ZERO surprise at the motive and the perp.
@@mattkaustickomments Everything's easier to armchair quarterback in hindsight.
@@mattkaustickomments exactly my thoughts!
@@XShadowAngel This is true. But in this case not immediately subpoenaing the phone companies to find out who had the blocked numbers was also central to the wild goose chase tangent they went on is just dumb. And THAT should not have taken 2 years. They would have had a lot more answers earlier and could have re-focused their investigation if they had studied the cell phones right away.
You can’t beat the quality of EWU. No other channel comes close to the amount of information along with the analysis of the information. It’s great for entertainment and education. Cheers guys!
Who else knew that Joanna Franklin was making up her stroy? She just wasn't believible and you don't bleed from your ears from getting slammed into a wall. In addition, Chris was way too stressed in that interview. Then he throws a nose bleed out there. Finally, if they couldn't find LJ that Chris and Spencer were both pointing to, then he probably didn't exist. I don't think I'm the only one watching that figured out those things.
Nor do you bleed from the eyeballs because you got smacked upside the head. She was obviously tweeking out her mind, and pissed at John.
She’s an addict for sure. And most addicts are full of shit. Usually because they’re in their own world due to drugs.
Joanna is literally just a tweaker lol
I knew it instantly because I was expecting it. In the beginning of the video, they mentioned someone is going to falsely frame someone as a revenge and she was the first one to do so in the video.
Bleeding from ears didn't make sense but she might got confused if there was much blood .. however she did a great job getting lazy police put their hands on another crime ..
RIP Annie, cant believe his family lied for him as they did. Absolutely disgusting.
That's sad if your family wouldn't lie for you if you committed murder... it's just one little murder anyways not like he serial killed yet.
@@FatRescueSwimmer04See here folks, this is a future felon.
The sad thing is there are people that would NOT lie to protect a family member..
@jessissac9320 if my family member murdered someone, why would I defend him? It's my duty to let this person get caught. This bs "loyalty" thing that you're advocating for is what makes criminals thrive and kill again
@@D.J.Trump2024MAGA if it was a stolen candy I'd lie to the police bc it isn't such a serious crime, but MURDER? Are you kidding me?
This is such a disturbing case. What a vile little punk to do something so heinous. I can’t even imagine how devastating it was for her parents to know the details.
His father and his grandmother obstructed the investigation, even though Chris was a sexually active, violent murderer at 14. The older I get, the more I believe there's a genetic factor at work in behavior like his.
Bro Joanna was tweaking hella hard.... How did the detectives not detect this right away.
At only 14 yrs Chris murders his 'girlfriend' and in a way that's close up and personal and feels nothing....that's being a real psychopath ,
R.I.P. Annie
I thought the first thing the police would do is check cell records to confirm the information they were given by all parties , these police dont seem very smart sometimes. What a waste of time and pain for the victims family. Rip Annie 😢😢
It's impossible to do this since mostly you need a warrant to confirm cell records. So it's not like police can just go about and check everyone's location to confirm they're telling the truth. You have to have a solid reason for suspicion to do so first, and run that through court. There's been some exceptions for this but it's not always as easy and could possibly jeopardize an investigation if they gather evidence unlawfully.
Edit: Need to clarify that some laws regarding this were changed a couple years back. And it seems to be easier now with looser rules.
I'm not sure how it works per different states tho. But generally, there can be all sorts of reasons why they're not allowed to either search an area, or obtain certain records/information.
Joanna's story had so much detail in a specific order that it was completely unbelievable.
I think she was talking about the other crime that occurred, but thought it was Annie
Can't believe it took 2 years to figure this out. From the second he mentioned the bloody nose he should've been the prime suspect, they should have checked his phone records immediately
I have watched a LOT of true crime and I have never seen anyone lie as easily and naturally as this little boy.
He had me fooled. If it wasn't for the dad's terrible lying and the unprompted nosebleed excuse I would have bought his story.
@@Squidlark wow .. terrifying right??
Seems like he learned this from his Dad.
You should figure out why you are so subconsciously 🧲 to true crime. What are you really trying to figure out? Probably something to do with early childhood and parents
@@ZenOfMKVLI Well, you clicked on this video too.
So sad. Annie had dreams of creating her own stable family. Meanwhile Chris was so fearful of that idea that he killed her for it. Very tragic.
Right? He should have just left her. I don’t blame him for being freaked out, but to kill her? Holy crap
@@heyitssarah7545He didn't even have to leave her, he could have just talked to her.
@@ninetailedfox579121 Yeah. And demanded a pregnancy test. I just can’t wrap my mind around how he got to “I don’t want to be a father, so I guess murder is the only solution.” Absolutely psychopathic.
She was far from innocent. People who have dreams shouldn't cause nightmares for others.
@@heyitssarah7545 He couldn't just leave her. She would follow him and make the court force him to cut her a monthly paycheck for the next 20 years.
Can’t believe the police didn’t instantly pull location data on the bf cell. The moment he mentions her blood on his shoe he is my prime suspect.
Right? Trash investigators.
100% agree, shocking
Him all out of the blue felt the need to mention she had a nosebleed and dripped blood on her shoe. Come on man, those detectives amateurs or what? Also...After 2 years those genius investigators were thinking all of a sudden, hey, lets check the phone details and find out were the few people involved were those moments????
also checking spencer's house for traces of bloos after 2 years???? What, was he supposed to not clean since then? Just straight up incompetent cops.
Cop: Are you saying you’re 8/10 or 80/100?
Felon/addict: it’s the same thing man
😂
lmao his whole segment had me rolling😭
Hahaha!
8/10 has the same value as 80/100 or 0.8
4/5 = 8/10 = 12/15 = 16/20 = 20/25
It's all just higher fractions that equal the same thing, 80%. Apparently that felon/addict knows more about 4th grade math than you do.
@@Gary-And-His-Demons you're a dork because you know all that, but you don't realize that was his point. Obviously humor is lost on you. Hahahahaha! 😂😂😂😂😂Nerd. Go find your grandmom. Get off UA-cam! Hahahahahaha!
@@Gary-And-His-Demons bro what?😭the commenter knows that, that’s why they pointed it out
The craziest part is John would have most likely went to jail for Annies murder if Joanna didn't crack and tell the truth. Not only did John confirm he knew the victim, but that she was recently at his house. Then there was the house that showed a clear indication of a struggle. All being backed up and verified by the witness Joanna with her lies in court. I really think they would have convicted him, even without the fact that none of Annie's DNA was there. And thats some scary shit right there. But the real MVP was the inmate who came forward and provided the DA with enough information to charge chris as an adult.
I don't think so, because there was blood all over his house that wasn't Annie's, so he obviously assaulted the shit out someone, but obviously not Annie.
The crazier part is believing a coke head lady to lead with your investigation
@@horsepanther believe whatever you want Chester Chestertons. You clearly don't realize how the police operate when they are backed in a corner. It's not like there have been thousands of innocent people condemned to jail . Only to find out later that they didn't do it 🙄. You want to believe we live in a perfect society. But that perfect society doesn't exist Franky Franklin. You should probably open up your eyes Joe Joe.
Horrible comment he was literally cleared of her murder because of his location from recent calls listen more buddy🤣🤣‼️
@horsepanther it's utah they'd deffinatly snag his ass
How is it that every video I watch truly IS the most twisted case I’ve ever seen.. I know the content is ultra sensitive cases of traumatic situations but EWU is the crew to deliver the goods. Emmy award worthy
Detective “did you mean 8 out of 10 or 80 out of 100” these people aren’t very bright
"8/10? or 80/100?" that cop definitely didn't score 8/10 in math
John is like that's the same thing! Mike dropped
They do stuff like that too confuse you
Suuuuuurre@@Alwayzblessed36
cops intentionally act stupid especially the good ones trying to act dumb.... you and the people liking your comment sure fell for it as well.
@@vipersuphereExacto, es una forma de crear confianza y comodidad para el acusado... De la misma manera que cuando leen los derechos Miranda como quitándoles importancia para que la personas colaboren con la policía
This is such a tragic, disturbing case and I hope the family can heal in their time. What disgusts me almost as much as the crime are the sick people BLAMING her for her death because she's a teenage girl and lied about a pregnancy. Starting to wonder if there are potential murderers lurking in these comments. Thank you for stellar content as usual, EWU. I appreciate the compassion you give the victims in every case and highlight their lives so the focus isn't just on the degenerate murderers and criminals.
I bet there are killers in these comments, sadly. What sick spiritually bankrupt people to blame a victim for her horrific, unwarranted murder. 🤮
The sick person is the one lying about pregnancy to control her boyfriend. It sure backfired smh
@@wildcraft8143would she be dead, had she not lied about the pregnancy?
@@bojohannesen4352 Notice you haven't got a single upvote for your disgusting comments?
@@bojohannesen4352lying about pregnancy isn't good but that doesn't excuse killing someone over it. If that guy is willing to go that far, he would have commited crimes for something else later
What about the crime scene they discovered that wasn’t hers?
Can’t believe he killed her without even knowing for sure that she was pregnant or even giving her a chance to explain one way or the other. It appears she wanted to know how he would react and it wasn’t at all what she expected. She probably wanted him to stay with her and he just wasn’t having any of that, especially a baby.. That’s extreme selfishness right there and the family tried to protect him and coached him for the interview after they knew he killed her I think. The unrelated crime scene was truly shocking!
He probably already had bloodlust, and this was just the “excuse” he gave himself to actually do it. If you’re willing to kill this easily, you were already itching to kill.
Also The unrelated crime scene really wasn’t that shocking. He was involved in drug trafficking, which actually is a really violent trade. It’s pretty much to be expected that any career dealer will have been involved in violence. Usually the victims are other people in the trade, like business rivals or someone they’re seeking vengeance on, hence kidnappings. And then someone’s gotta retaliate for that, and on and on so it continues. So it definitely happens, a lot, and it’s not that shocking at all that there was evidence of something like this at his house. People in that game are incredibly desensitized to violence.
This documentary is absolutely mind-blowing! The twist in this case is unlike anything I've ever heard before. The storytelling was excellent. Could you share more about how the investigation unfolded after the twist was revealed? I'm curious about the reactions of those involved
Love my EWU crew and the stories!!! Thank you for bringing these to life with such compassion!
I worked it out straight away. Chris mentioning the blood on the shoe, the dad obviously lying, the motive: Supposedly Annie being pregnant, LJ didn't exist (I thought that immediately). Wow! That's the first case I've solved but it really was obvious. Rest in peace, Annie, you were far too good for that psycho. I hope he never gets out. 😢
The credit goes to the writers of this video if you figured it out quickly. They laid things out in a well researched manner. The investigators had to do it the hard way.
The dad was a piece of work himself, no wonder kids are f'd up
What took the investigators so long to follow up on the call logs and cellphone data? It took 2 years to circle back to the boyfriend when they could have just got a warrant for the phone records.
Unfortunately, Utah cops aren't known for their helpfulness.
I work the graveyard shift at a hotel. Thank you EWU for making the time go just a little faster.
Imagine if that woman hadn't made a scene, no one would've ever known about that kidnapping. Sure it took longer to get justice for Annie, but her death, solved another crime.
36:37 🤣When he slips into HOT GOSS mode and whispers "Who's Sal?"
"OMG! Who's Sal? I gotta get all the deets."
spill the tea sis!
Lol that whole interrogation was insane. 'You may know her as Britt, her real name is Annie'. 'Who the F is Annie?'
@@paulinegallagher7821 yes! my favourite was when he said " you're 8 out of ten? or 80 out of 100?" And he's like "...that's the same thing?"
@@aslicetothepast94 Lol that too. Nuts.
How did these investigators just write chris off as a suspect and didnt bother to fact check his alibi and story until 2 YEARS LATER, just scary that a 14 y/o can do something like this.
FOR REAL. How did they not check Annie's phone records sooner?! That was literally all the evidence they needed! Dirty cops or just incompetent?
“Are you saying 8/10 or 80/100?”🤣🤣 36:05
so dumb
No wonder it took them two years to solve it. Jesus.
@@KRpr0ductionsthey had some real geniuses running the department over there
precision matters
Wait, why weren't his father and his grandmother also charged with lying to the police and hindering a murder investigation?
No kidding, they're to blame as well
The law is never consistent. It all depends on the authorities and how well connected your family is. The police could have screwed up somehow while gathering evidence. You never know. They should have been charged for helping cover up a crime though. I've seen plenty of videos of people getting charged for all sorts of stuff. I don't care how much you love your kid. If you really loved them, you would hold them accountable and get them help for their sickness.
The cops really did a horrible job on this. I feel like it was so obvious from the beginning who did it. Maybe they didn't want to believe a 14 year old could do that..but either way they messed up. Also I'm from Utah and today I've watched 3 different videos true crime that happend in utah that I've never heard of! 😳
Utah cops and the lawmakers are trash in general.
Who tries to get back at their husband by FRAMING THEM FOR MURDER?! That was really methed up
A truly methed up situation
😂😂absolutely methed up
Like lady YOU WENT EXTREMELY HARD on that man..
These videos show how good investigations have become that way who ever thinks they will get away with murder or any other crime you will be caught
It is nice they included the interview with John. I found that his demeanor was sincere, immediately. Even though he is not the freshest guy, he seemed honest. I than knew that Joana was telling BS ließ.
There is nothing more disgusting than friends and family members who lie and cover up for a relative.
Unfortunately we live in a world were a lot of people would feel the opposite
Not for nothing, but I can think of a few more disgusting things.
I hope they all get prison time for concealing evidence. Or being fully aware of murder and not stopping or reporting it. Both are crimes.
I think child molesting is more disgusting.
@@Beef5oh for sure anything involving kids...
I feel so, so sad for Annie. She had such a tough start in life, then when things began to improve, her life is cut so short in a despicable, horrific way by a cruel, selfish individual she trusted.
Trusted him so much she lied about being pregnant. I wonder how things would have turned out if she hadn't.
@@ronjones-6977she would probably still be alive, it doesn't excuse the hanous crime of course but Clingy Teenage Girl did make the Fatal Mistake of pissing off her Boyfriend with a fake New Boyfriend and him being a Daddy,
I get the fake Boyfriend bit but that Girl, especially with her background, has serious issues, not as serious as the Boyfriend but man, if I was a Teenage Boy who had that kind of Girlfriend who the hell needs enemies but the yeah the Boyfriend is a Psycho for killing the Girl, like dude just call her out for her lies.
@@ronjones-6977are you blaming her for her murder? Seek therapy
Those are worst detectives ever, how they couldn't see a drug addicted and two teenagers lying to their faces?
Wow....talk about "it runs in the family."
Here's another family tree that should have never been planted.
RIP Annie 🙏
May you put that life behind you and find love and happiness in the next
I'm thankful for the captions during Joanna's interrogation because I couldn't understand 80% of it (that's 8 out of ten or 80 out of 100!)
haha
Lol it's the same thing!
@@DaisyJane0318 I know, I was just being silly, it was a reference to something said in the video, can't quite remember exactly now as I watched it a while ago but something along the same lines is mentioned somewhere in there
@@lindapalmer870 yeah I know what you meant lol
What really got my attention during Chris's first interrogation was when the father tell Chris he called him and Chris turns to look at his dad and asked "you did"? That right there was a red flag for the detectives that this was all rehearsed between the father and son and during the interrogation the father adds this little bit.
Omg, i knew that dad was a stone cold liar first outta the box
Exactlyy!!! He asked "You did?" and then a few sentences later he corrects his dad about the time he called him!!! The call he didn't remember! Unbelievable.
John ffs, if the interviewer asks you to clarify several times "Are you asking for a lawyer?" Say yes.
I’m only 10 minutes in an interview just began with her boyfriend. I’m amazed that the father is there and now he’s staring without even blinking. It seems at his son waiting to understand what the heck is going on and I can only imagine my father being there, glaring at me 100% of the time while the officers go at it.