OG BMPCC VS BMPCC 6K Pro | Image Comparison between the Oldest and Newest Blackmagic Pocket Cameras
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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2024
- Here is an image comparison between the OG BMPCC and the 6K PRO.
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This is not a scientific test, but rather me being curious as to how those two cameras would compare in terms of image when put side by side.
I decided to of course shoot in RAW for both cameras, in both their respective colour science, as well as Prores since it is the format I prefer to shoot in and the one that I use for most of my content.
I wanted to grade some of the clips just to see how they would match.
But then I also decided to convert both raw files to Gen 4 since it is the colour I shoot in and much prefer over the newer Gen 5, and this is when it gets very interesting.
I made sure to match the colour balance, focal length as best as I could and to use their respective native ISOs.
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Here is an image comparison between the OG BMPCC and the 6K PRO.
Can you always tell the difference ?
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Yes I could on the raw clips. The dynamic range of the 6kpro definitely sets it apart
why do you say that you would only use it for fun? id be keen to hear why.
@@MT-sc1sv looool u're surely trolling
@@otegadamagic Yes, the Pro is ahead in the DR department for sure!!
@@MT-sc1sv It is a pretty cool cam :)
The original BMPCC has the most filmic look I've seen out of any digital cam
Totally agree with you, I really miss that look.
@PRIVATE do explain please :)
@@OfTwoLands bigtime, something about it, especially in cities
And the Micro Cine Camera too. They had the Fairchild sensor with dual grain. Still looks so good even today.
Yes, maybe the Digital Bolex is a tad more filmic but its definitely up there eith the best. The Sony F35 also has that organic feel...
This video confirms my belief that I will never need to replace my OG BMPCC. Your grade is very nice by the way.
Thank you so much 🙏
Spotting the difference between the two was very straightforward, but lets face it, we shouldn't expect the OG to look like the 6K. Camera sensors have come a long way and they are going to technically improve in terms of gain structure, dynamic range and resolution. Sure, the OG tends to look soft out of the camera, the aliasing in raw is annoying, the menus are an utter pain in the penis, etc etc. But it has a look that creates a more abstract layer to footage away from ultra realism and subconsciously convinces the viewer that it isn't something real and perhaps it's more of a story. A bit like film.
Now, wouldn't it be something if Blackmagic nodded their heads to the originals gave them a firmware upgrade to make them more usable?
It's the Fairchild sensor on the og. They are dual sensors that capture separately the dark from lights to make color grading much easier. IMO all sensors should be dual sensors. Kind of crazy that they are not.
They are both great cameras for their price range, but I always had a thing for the original BMPCC: I can't explain technically, but the color science of this camera has something unique and also had a 'filmic' feel that always amazed me, its 16mm sensor has something really fascinating to me. Sometimes I find myself willing to head to eBay to buy an used one, maybe one day I will do
Yep, I can totally understand. I feel the same about the OG and a lot of people do too I think.
I think you should get one haha. I don't see myself ever selling it, such an iconic cam!!
It's the Fairchild sensor on the og. They are dual sensors that capture separately the dark from lights to make color grading much easier. IMO all sensors should be dual sensors. Kind of crazy that they are not.
The final shot with the lake, trees, and leaves impressed me the most. The OG footage had an almost extra-dimensional or celluloid film-like density. The 6K felt flat. And I know it's just a 'kit lens' but I really like the glass in those 14-42mm Lumix lenses. Image subjects separate nicely compared to some of the more popular zoom lenses out there today. Glad you made this video!
I noticed this too! There's like a warmth to the highlights, a halation type of thing going on. It's really nice!
@@howlandneal yeah I love that slight halation on the og bmpcc
Yes, that shot was very surprising. SO much depth in that little sensor. Thanks a lot for watching!!
It's cool to see the evolution from a visual pov. Loved the video!
Thanks man, was a fun test :) !!
Im glad I own a OG that I bought in 2017. Thanx for sharing and giving me inspiration
Thanks for watching, such a nice cam despite the age !!
I just watched your video. Thank you for a great content. I have to say that the dynamic range out of 6k in ungraded footage looks impressive, but graded footage out of BMPCC OG is much pleasing to the eye. Or maybe I am too biased toward my BMPCC OG )
I love my OG BMPCC! Thanks for the inspiration always!! :D
No worries, thank you for watching :) !!
I really preferred the look of camera A to camera B, pretty much in every shot! That's a shocker.
Yeah I was surprised too, when both in Gen 4 sometimes I had to double check what camera it was haha!!
Man, the OG still looks surprising good. That's wild!
Haha yeah, powerful little cam for sure :) !!
Wow!!! THis is a beautiful comparison. I love the O>G but i hear you on the frustrations. Its my only camera so I'm learning to love it with all its quirks. I think if I ever upgrade the O.G wouldve beaten me into shape.
I really enjoy Gen5. I shoot BRAW 100% of the time and easily blend footage from the Ursa Mini Pro G2 and the Pocket 6k Pro. The way Gen5 keeps saturated highlight detail is really great, as I always find Gen4 can't keep the detail in the reds with super saturated lights.
There is definitely more details with Gen 5. I prefer Gen 4 but it is just a personal preference and also what my eyes are used to. I am currently using Gen 5 on the 12K and it looks amazing!
You actually did it! Thanks for the effort, it was a pleasure to watch. For my taste, the OG wins, the 6k is too sharp, otherwise a lovely camera. The shot at 4:34 is the best example for why I prefer the OG. Thanks again and I'd love to see more if you have the time.
Thanks for taking the time to watch it !! Both amazing cameras for their respective price / release date. But yes, soft spot for the OG :)
Very cool comparison! I have to say that I'm very surprise how the original is actually keeping up with the 6K, I would love to see Blackmagic make an actual "pocketable" camera with a size similar to the original, the form factor got some importance when your filming relatives and friends to try capturing "authentic" moments. That's the main reason I'm using my ZV1 or GH5 instead of my BMPCC4K/6K when shooting personal stuff. Anyway, great video, keep them coming!
Thanks !! I was impressed as well. And yes, an actual pocketable camera would be awesome! I loved traveling with the OG, such a compact cam. If they could make a mini version of the 6K Pro with a 3.5 or 4inch screen I would buy that in a heartbeat!!
Just got the og first cant wait to use it thanks for the video
Thanks for watching and have fun :) !!
I just ordered a a 16mm cooke c count lens on eBay; I can’t wait to use this lens on my og pocket.
I'm still rockin' the OG BMPCC.. Only thing is, I need a good external mic for it. Have any recs ?
Fun comparison! It's easy to spot the difference because of the DOF. Smaller sensor on the OG BMPCC = larger DOF / less bokeh. On Super35 sensors I shoot at between F4 and F5.6, and people often tell me that my footage looks very cinematic. Well, watch any film shot before about 2008, and you'll see that the aperture on their lenses are usually between F2.8 and F5.6 for indoor scenes, and between F4 and F11 for outdoor scenes. Focus was a lot deeper in the past, so we associate deep focus with "cinematic" images. If you stop down your lens on the BMPCC 6K to around F4, you could match these two cameras exactly with minimal effort. Shooting in 12 bit RAW on ANY camera gives you more than enough flexibility to match it to any other camera, just because the data density is there. I prefer the OG BMPCC or the BMPCC 4k because it has a very slightly faster sensor readout at 16ms, which is IMO the maximum readout speed for good-looking motion. I personally prefer ARRI or RED, because readout speeds < 10ms tend to look most natural to me.
I knew that Cam A was the original Pocket on the first shot. I’ve been shooting with mine for 8 years now and I’d recognize the log look straight outa camera any day lol
Your voice is relaxing
Haha thank you :) !!
I love the look of the OG Pocket. Curious to get your opinion: between the newer Pocket 4K/6k cams and the Canon C70, which do you prefer in terms of image quality alone? Some have said the Blackmagic cams produce a slightly more cinematic image, but then others say you can achieve that same Alexa-like feel with C70 in post with grading, emulation etc. What do you think? I’m general I prefer a softer more filmic image closer to film, I’m hoping I can achieve that with the C70 bc I love its practicalities over the BM cams. Thanks!
Haven't started watching the video yet but you can make 20 or 30 more of these and I will watch all of them!!!
Haha thank you :) !!
@@OfTwoLands I loved this so much. I guessed Cam A was the pocket but only because of the highlights as you mentioned.
I have the OG (coz I can only afford that) but I really love how the 6k looks. More of these comparisons please when you have time. Even if its just to compare dynamic range or whatever.❤
@@phokar5255 Thanks for taking the time to watch this video, really appreciate it :) !!
That BMPCC OG setup is so cool, what are the accessories used?
Excellent! Is there a new future Blackmagic shooter in the house? So cute 😊 When looking in 1080p there was much less difference than I would have thought. I did like the grading of the BMPCC OG more, and it is such a tiny transportable camera. Just wish I could find a half-cage for mine.
Haha, thank you, I think so :). And yes, sometimes I couldn't tell the difference between the two.
I know some brands still sale cages for it on amazon but not always in stock.
@@OfTwoLands Congratulations! 😀 Enjoy the time, it passes fast.
Gen5 has the correct gamma that matches the Alexa. You can't get the right highlight retention with gen4, due to its contrasty translation. You simply need to use something like Dehancer to get the most out of Gen5, or luts that were made specifically for it. As for a "controlled environment" with the og BMPCC, watch the movie Cosmos. I think it still plays on Prime.
Thanks for the recommendation, I’ll check it out :). I meant controlled environment with both cameras for a proper comparison. I’ve seen plenty of beautiful content in controlled environment shot with the OG over the years, such a great cam!
I agree with you, Dehancer is the best tool I know to make Gen5 look like film (other than paying 8k to a professional colorist). But it's just INSANE how much dynamic range and latitude I get from the 6k Pro when using the wide gamut color space. It blows my mind. I've measure 9 stops above middle gray with wide gamut + highlight recovery
Thank you for this. If you have access, and interest, I'd love to see what you get from comparing the Pocket 4k, as it is far more popular and used in production (afaik), with the new 6k Pro. I think that may be a more practical/useful comparison. I'm pondering between these two, whereas the original pocket isn't even a remote contender.
Try using some gaussian blur and then use sharpen with detail size set to lowest in Resolve.
Will easily hide the sharpening halos that are coming with BRAW and will also add texture back to the image without showing any sharpening artifacts!
Also I think it's quite easy to get an even more pleasing look with Gen 5 than with any other BMD gamma curve.
Gen 5 is the only Cineon like log curve BMD ever made and I'm quite used to it ;)
Thanks for tip :) !!
Yes, you should make more Videos about a Comparison
Noted, thanks :) !!
Hello there, for shooting a feature film on a budget, i am doubting. The c70 can do RAW, IS and auto focus, wich I would love to use since I'm on a budget. But of course, the image is very important. So can i Color grade c70 raw looking like BMPCC? Very curious to your answer, because you make the image cinematic! Thanks, nicolaas
I have the original bcc 2.5k which I love to date but the problem I was having with that camera its stop reading ssd drives when I try to insert inside of the camera sometimes it works some time it dont no matter what ssd drive I use im going for the new 6k pro
The One that Got Away - being an original C100 user I resisted the OG Pocket and eventually went for the 4k then the 6k Pro BM camera, which I adore BTW, but I've always had a regret over never handling an OG Pocket. It's something, to this day, I still scour eBay for. I feel like I'm missing out. Or i've missed out.
Yes you can tell the resolution difference and dynamic range difference., but there is something captivating of the OG Pocket image I can't quite put my finger on.
Great content as always. I may buy an OG just to play with
Thank you! It such a powerful little cam :)
@@OfTwoLands it really is. I think it would really be a good travel companion
@@otegadamagic It was my travel cam for 5 years and I still miss it today sometimes, especially the form factor.
I have a Zeiss Distagon T 35mm f2.0 ZE with a Canon EF mount, do you think it would work well with the OG BMPCC? The lens is bigger than the ones usually used on BMPCC OG. What sort of gear I need to mount the lens onto OG BMPCC? Also what sort of rig or gear would I need to shoot with it handheld? Sorry I'm quite new to cameras that's why I'm asking these types of questions. Thanks!
Hi, this probably isn't relevant for you anymore, but still:
The BMPCC OG is an amazing camera, with an incredibly beautiful image, but shooting with it handheld can honestly really be a pain if you dont have reeeally steady hands. In my experience the footage, even from a ronin sc gimbal always has a few microshakes that can sometimes drive me crazy. I mostly shoot it of a tripod now, because when the footage is stable it is honestly amazing and the flexibility that RAW gives you is insane, especially when i compare it to my a lot newer sony a6600. Oh and for gear you need, definitely get an external battery cause the internal one gets eaten up insanely quickly. And if you mini hdmi isnt broken like mine is get an external monitor, cause in direkt sunlight the one on the bmpcc og becomes almost unusable.
Idk why it was so funny to me to see the little OG BMPCC mounted atop the BMPCC6K Pro
Haha I had a giggle too when I was mounting it. Looks so odd!!
I own but barely used the old pocket. From your comparison, the B camera looks a little odd and flat. Especially in the graded parts - like you have zero saturation in the skin tones. It feels like it's even more flat. But it's ahead in dynamic range for sure.
Gen1 does look "filmic" but gen4 is more useable. But I feel like sometimes changing back to gen1 gives you great results.
That's a great comparison! To be honest, even in 2021, I'd still rather shoot with the OG pocket than any 8bit Sony or similar. Luckily I happen to have the P6kPro, which I love. The codecs, the color science, the screen and the ND filters make life so much easier than with any other camera at a similar price point.
I also have to say that I much prefer working with Gen5 color science compared to Gen4, let alone Gen1. It is just so much closer to a standard log image like Arri LogC. I think that your problems with Gen5 stem from Filmconvert not being updated to support Gen5 gamma curve yet. By the way, Gen4 and Gen5 share the exact same gamut, only the gamma curve is different.
Thank you !! I totally agree with you, I love the look of the OG but the 6K Pro is such a great camera to work with. Near perfect in my opinion :).
I can agree than Gen 5 is better technically, I just prefer Gen 4 whether I am grading with Filmconvert or not. Even though they have the same gamut I find Gen 4 more pleasing. Just a personal preference :).
thats a really cool insight! as someone using Filmconvert as well, what's your recommendation to tweak in the scopes while grading to get the most of it? currently i just add more contrast and boost the vibrance and saturation a whole bunch but im open to other methods which may be better!
@@darrenchoy That doesn't sound like the best approach technically but if it gets you to where you want to be, then who cares. If not though, I would probably shoot in BRAW and change the color science to gen4 at the Camera RAW settings until Filmconvert bothers to put out a new update for gen5. It's a long overdue update in my opinion.
@@anttiheik ah i see! im currently already shooting in braw gen 5 12:1 compression, i’m not completely sure what more i can get but the current image i get seems to be alright, though i’m 100% sure i could be grading better! do you follow any colourist or use davinci resolve to grade?
@@darrenchoy I use Resolve exclusively. It's just so much more powerful than for colour work than FCPX, let alone Premiere Pro. I would highly suggest it, even the free version has tons and tons of useful features. 12:1 compression is fine for most situations, but I usually find than shooting Q5 is better since it saves a lot of space when a large bitrate is not needed but pumps up the bitrate when needed for super-detailed and dynamic shots.
Thank you very much for such an excellent comparison test. bmpcc og is the most amazing camera in terms of value for money, I think it's all because of the sensor, it's made by the same company that makes sensors for Arri Alexa, and although the sensor is small, the resolution is not very high. but the 6.5 micron big pixel adds a cinematic look, I also like to rotate DNG a lot more than Braw
The OG is amazing, even after all these years. The sensor is indeed spectacular :)
Arguably the 6k footage can be made to look like the OG, but not the other way around. But it's to be expected, given the age and price difference. I own the OG and I think I'll keep it for my personal stuff, while for work assignments I'll opt for a 4k pocket probably.
in davinci you can convert the 6k to the og look, but it will never have that “soul”
Good comparison. Cam A looks better before grading, but Cam B looks better after grading, I think. Too bad the battery plate is currently unavailable!
Thanks !! Sorry to hear, I think that plate is always in high demand haha.
Great video! Can you plz tell me how you transform gen1 to gen4? just used color transform ?
Thank you !! When you shoot raw you can actually change it the RAW tab and switch between G1 and G4.
@@OfTwoLands Awesome!you know! Im going to buy BMCC2.5K for less crop factor than BMPCC. I hope the IQ would be the same as BMPCC OG
For personal projects the old camera still holds up but for clients and commercial stuff its outdated, except you want this soft look as a creative style
Of course, there is no way I would use this for work unless like you said I needed that soft, S16 look.
So interesting, sometimes it's really hard to tell!
I know, right ?! I was quite surprised.
Nice test. Disregarding technical aspects like DR etc - I subjectively prefer the image of the OG in pretty much every shot here. It has more depth and richness and that '3D pop' whereas the 6K PRO looks clean but feels very flat in comparison. I recently found some old clips of my kids when they were babies that I shot on the OG in pro res and i graded them in resolve using the arri colour space transform and I was blown away by how good they look on my 5k retina screen! I'm trying to resist picking up an OG pocket again and this video is not helping! 😅 Great work as always!
Thank you !! I also prefer the image in a lot of situations, the OG always an amazing look to it. I am also using a LG/Apple 5K screen and it still holds up.
Haha sorry, let me know if you do :)
I assume 6k looks flat because you left it flatter. You could get much more pop from 6k if wanted. No??
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Thank you for this content ... I actually own a BMMCC but was hoping to get a pocket 4K for convenience of use and to get 4K. I was lurking some sub 700€ deals on the leboncoin but I'm very much hesitating now... I don't know actually if it is a good decision as I deeply charmed by the sensor of the BMMCC and 4K upscaling is quite good on Resolve Studio. Also, I like using an external monitor to be able to use the camera in other positions that "photograph" style... yet sometimes It would be good to have a smaller setup. I'm using it in the framework of family and small non-lucrative work.
I use it exclusively with a 0.58x Nikon Speedbooster with Nikon Glasses.
Any advices ? :)
Hey Yann!!
Thanks for the support :)
I would recommend the 4K 100%, the bmpcc4k might be my favourite camera. Amazing value!
I actually didn't use a monitor with the 4K but if you need one there are some small and lightweight options with 5inch ones so the setup isn't too bulky.
Have a fun trip :)
@@OfTwoLands Ok I might use my feel world f6 plus on it… now I just need to find the right deal. Max budget 700euros with cage. Would you recommend going with the CFAST to SSD option… I would prefer sdcard but I don’t think I could record 4K60p on Braw 5:1 without dropping frames… and I need to let the usb-c free in case of gimbal needed ^^
@@OfTwoLands Oh I can bounce on a Pocket 6K for 1100Euros with 18-35 sigma EF ... That is a steal ... but I'am a Nikon shooter ^^ and i've already this lens in Nikon ... What do think if one would have the choice between Pocket 4k and pocket 6k coming from BMMCC ?
There is a discussion about this in the Blackmagic Forum
It's funny I was actually hoping camera A was the og but figured B was the og based on my preference for A lol. I definitely prefer the image from A apparently. Does look more organic and filmic Luke others have stated. Sometimes older sensors and cameras have the best looks to them. Even if they were limited in many ways compared to today's standards
BMPCC sensor and image = the definition of "if it aint broke don't fix it"
Haha true, that being said I wouldn't mind a new bmpcc in the same form factor :)
Bro, the OG wins in my opinion. Cost and image trump everything else. Am I about to get the OG blackmagic?
Haha are you ? I love the OG, such a great cam but I would still pick the 6K instead anytime these days. It is a near perfect camera in my opinion. Doesn't have as much character but such a joy to use :)
Why did I think Cam A was the new camera? Are my eyes broken?
Impressive
Glad you liked it :) !!
In a normal situation when not comparing cameras i feel like no one would overblow the image like shown here with the OG. Both cameras have 13 stops of range in raw so avoiding that overblown bits is really doable for both cameras. thats why we also shoot in log, to also correct for that in post. Sorry but this test was a litlle wonky :)
Is cam A OG?
Yes it is :)
Og Pocket shoot at ISO 800?
yes :)
Thanks for sharing, I am sorry but none of these clips would make me buy any of those cameras. I got three bmpcc and none of the footage looks familiar I am afraid.
Original has life .. gen5 is cleaner maybe they removed something in it..
your good camera work of lighting and framing which make it no big difference, The OG is more like a release print of old days Kodak. You know all the release print are from 4 to 5th generations of shooting negative.
Q: Since you solved the battery issue.. why NOT use the OG for something more than "fun"? ps thanks for the comparison!
How’d he solve it
I don't understand, which one is camera A and which one is camera B? Why not use the name of the cameras
Definitely Camera A
Reason why you think Gen 4 has richer image is because of the curve of the gamma. In my Experience Gen 5 is way better to work with.
Just my personal opinion, Gen 5 is a better file. I just prefer Gen 4 :)
The newer one has NO SOUL. That's the issue. The original bmpcc is a special look.
Incorrect the BMPCC 6K has a crop factor of 1.63
Not always, it depends on the resolution and codec.
"Corporate need you find the difference between this picture and this picture"
Cam B has way better dynamic range especially it can be noticed in highlights.
Oh yeah 100%, that's what I mention towards the end of the video, that's the main giveaway I think.
But dynamic range is not everything. The og got a serious organic feel to the image where as the p6k is so clinical.
@@ludovicavice3496 look at the LOG comparison of both they're very close in terms of everything except the dynamic range. You're talking about subjective thing, I'm talking about objective. When you have such opportunities that b6k you give, you can do pretty everything even repeat the organic look of other camera. For me it's more important to have flexible information in highlights or shadows or whatever than having «one button organic look». :)
@@michaelfyod oh that's for sure, I got both cameras and I do use the new one everyday as it gives you this flexibility but the og is way more filmic out of the box and some studios are still using it today as they build their style on the back of this little beast :)
@@ludovicavice3496 It really does!
If you want a true film like footage, the the OG bmpcc
BMPCC reminds me a lot of Canon cameras with magic lantern like 5DM3 has a look that gives me orgasm, had it not been for the fact the camera weights like a tank and has a rolling shutter so horrific its worthless in anything but scenes in which no panning or extreme movement happens.
Нихера не показал какая кам А и какая камВ!
Сложно было написать original и 4K???
A - original, B 6k
Personally still prefer Gen 4😪
Me too :)
He whole time I was thinking “ah man that A cam has to be the 6k”. I just liked it more. Then I realized I am sticking with my OG BMPCC!
Haha yeah it’s quite surprising. That being said the 6K is superior most of the time in terms of DR and detail but that film/soft look of the OG is hard to beat! I love both of them :).
@@OfTwoLands but then everybody puts a pro mist on their 6k to make it look like the OG…🤣🤣
I will never understand why identifying a camera log or stock image pipeline, is a skill people are interested in. If people spent as much time on constructing image pipelines as they do on identifying them, then the cameras wouldn't matter for the look. For some reason people want them to, even though thats worse for you.
I don't understand how everyone can get the bmpcc 6k pro to look so good but you make it look so bad
OG BMPCC feels more atmospheric