i feel like risen's are what the elders canonically are capable of in lore. Example being risen crimson glow using that attack crimson did in the cutscene in base rise.
@@_Tzer I mean when you keep making normal ass wyverns as ridiculous as goddamn Magnamalo, pulling midair blast pirouettes and shotting railgun cannons, of course Elden Dragons have to become even more ridiculous. I enjoyed Rise a lot but design-wise it's not my cup of tea.
Gore magala and shagaru magala seem very intelligent even among elders. Especially the latter that cutscene in sunbreak had it purposefully use one monster to beat up another like using a tool. It also stares you down in 4u and shows off right after.
i mean, technically not since to be a wyvern you need 4 limbs example: two legs, two wings/two legs, two arms (like brute wyverns). and, to be a dragon you must have 6 or more limbs
Actually, the distinction between wyvern and dragon isn't made in the Japanese version, as all reptilian monsters are referred to as "Ryūshu". Leviathans also fall into the wyvern classification, being referred to as "Sea Wyverns" (as opposed to piscine wyverns which are known as fish wyverns). Gore magala's ??? classification isn't because it's of a different lineage to Shagaru (however that works), but it's purely because you can capture it.
My first time facing these guys was in sunbreak, but i recently fought gore and shagaru in generations ultimate. I have a great appreciation for chaotic gore magala.
I’ll never forget 4U’s caravan quests and Shagaru Magala’s campaign. Truly made me feel after finishing it that MH4’s base campaign was and still is one of the best gaming experiences ever.
Little correction - It's an affinity (critical hit rate) bonus that you get from overcoming the Frenzy. This distinction is incredibly important in Sunbreak, when you can get the Bloodlust skill. With it, it becomes possible to get close to, or even reach 100% affinity even with a 0% affinity weapon by overcoming the Frenzy induced by this skill. One of the most common ways to do this is with a Light Bowgun that has Pierce 2 ammunition of Rapid Fire, such as Malzeno's. With Critical Eye 7 (+40% affinity), Maximum Might 2 (+20% affinity while you have full stamina), the Daora Soul Jewel 3 (+5% affinity on first hit, +15% after 4-5 hits) and Bloodlust 1 (+20% affinity for 1 minute after overcoming the Frenzy), you can get to 95% affinity after overcoming the Frenzy as long as you keep shooting and hitting. Adding another point of Maximum Might or Bloodlust will put you over the 100% mark.
one thing you didn't mention is the sound design for them for sunbreak. In 4U, prior to entering his frenzy state Gore would emit a gutteral roar to let you know he was about to let loose, an then he would emit a high pitched screech when he actually did go frenzy,in sunbreak he lets out the gutteral roar as he goes frenzy, which i think is a nice touch. Shagaru got a nice touch up but it wasnt really changed much,when he goes frenzy he lets out a metalic squeal, although he lost the one roar he does when he takes to the skies and enters frenzy mode. My favorite has to be chaotic in sunbreak, his initial roar has a mix of Gore and Shagaru, plus he has this awful wheezing sound,really sells that hes in alot of pain, my favorite detail however is whenever he enters is 2nd frenzy state, where he makes gores roar and shagarus squeal. Overall i think the magalas sound the best they ever have in sunbreak.
Another detail of Chaotic Gore's ultimate in Sunbreak is that remaining in the blast zone before the explosion rapidly fills up the frenzy bar, almost guaranteeing you fail the frenzy bar.
@@drxavier1870 It's definitely going to be interesting, Sunbreak doesn't rely on big guaranteed OHKO's or DPS checks. The harder monsters instead just cover wide areas with their attacks, move extremely fast and track you. The New Malzeno, if he is harder than Risen Shagaru, will be insane.
Base shagaru resembles the sun Risen shagaru resembles the moon when it enters the risen state it resembles an eclipse. Hazard risen shagaru also gets an upgrade to it's ultimate move after it's done smaller explosions can be seen on each of the four sides of it.
Risen shagaru is just so much fun. Now that I've learnt him hes one of my faves, always feels intense but also with very clear windows of attack to balance it all out
I remember that my friends talk about Gore Magala. I always want to challenge that monster in MH Sunbreak I got the opportunity to hunt Gore Magala on PS4 it was fun to face the way it looks, the way Gore attacks is amazing, even his weapon and armor is awesome. I'm happy to fight Gore Magala including Shigeru Magala and Chaotic Gore magala
@@HeavyWings Lorewise, Elder Dragons dont fall into traps because they are "smarter than the average Monster" and "because their power cannot be contained" I think Gore being a youngling and Also blind, aside from mechanical explanations, is what makes It not aware/smart enough to avoid them, and It has less resilience to status and such so It can be captured(?) At least It is what i like to think So Chaotic Gore at its peak of its awareness and physical prowess breaking pitfall traps makes It awesome imo
Gore is classified as ??? because he could be any monster. The recent update in his lore is that the frenzy virus slowly mutates the frenzied monsters into a gore magala.
I think gore magala and Chaotic should just be moved to the elder dragon classification, I don't care they they can be trapped, they can be unique Im that regard, but like he acutaly is just a elder dragon, this gives me such OCD lol
1:12 while you are afflicted with the debuff those frenzy puddles drain your hp it leaves around. You can cure it with enough usage of a steam bomb not the buildup part but once your natural healing stops
Thanks to a video by ragegamingvideos, I've learned that the flagship monsters don't tend to be as powerful as they should because of Variants/subspecies they plan to put into the game hence why rathalos feels natural in rise since there was no subspecies planned. Risen shageru's entirely new moveset looks like what normal shageru should've had instead of the frenzy beam that fits risen shageru much more. Even the new super move looks like what normal shageru's intro used against seregios and barioth. How much better would normal shageru be if they never planned on adding Variants or powered up versions.
Hmmm yeah that would track. Chameleos didn't get many additions for Sunbreak, nor did Kushala, Valstrax or Shagaru. But their Risen forms got a ton of stuff. Conversely, SB Teostra got a lot of new attacks, but his Risen form didn't get a whole lot. All that being said, I don't particularly mind that they did this.
@@HeavyWings Teostra's Risen didn't get many new moves but instead it got major enhancements for it's base moveset, like being able to do it's big forward facing mini-nuke twice in the EX version, and increasing the damage and size of it's dust explosions
As someone that really dug into Monster Hunter with 4u, seeing Magala back in Sunbreak felt like coming home. And now to see how much they've fine tuned my favorite monster I can't help but feel spoiled. Chaotic will always hold a special place in my heart, the design is wonderful and the fight feels like a good mix up. But Risen Magala looks and plays incredibly, too. All in all, you can't complain as a fan for this generation, so much Magala to go around.
Gore is the flagship of base 4. The flagship for 4 Ultimate is Seregios. Its like what happened with Freedom 2 and Freedom Unite. Unite IS 2 just with G rank content. And the flagship for Freedom 2 was Tigrex and for Freedom Unite its Nargacuga. But we never got base 4 in the west so it would confuse people if the box art showed Seregios. In Japan the box art is correct where base 4 has Gore and 4 Ultimate has Seregios.
Which is my favorite? I mean it should say something that Shagaru Magala is one of the two Monster Hunter plushies I own, AND is my phone lock screen. He’s easily my favorite of the Magalas, and is in my top 3 monsters, if not my favorite overall. Although the order of the top 3 shifts around a lot.
I feel like they can make a new sub category of dragons, like lesser dragon or smt. They can make it so like they have less control over elements compared to elders, and be weaker in general compared to elders. It’s just an idea I thought of while thinking of a class for gore.
The entire line is amazing and are some of my favorite monsters, but at the end of the day I really love Chaotic Gore Magala. When I played 4U I really fell in love with his combination of both Magalas. And I soloed him before doing it co-op. I can't speak to Sunbreak's version because I haven't played it, but it looks amazing, especially with updated graphics. But he was still my vote in the favorite monster poll last month.
MH4U is my favorite MH game, with the Magala family being a big reason for this. Their appearance (I could be mistaken, but they are the first dragons with four forward arms, the wing arms being huge and with opposable thumbs). Their presence in the story, the Frenzy/Apex mechanic being caused by the Magala (as well as being the first enhanced states in a MH game and still the best), this was the first time a flagship monster had such a big influence in a MH game. My first actual fight against Gore Magala, I thought it was going to be easy, having fought him twice already before on the ship and to rescue the Ace Hunters. Then, his wing arms and feelers came out, the sky darkened, and I got destroyed. The Frenzy Mode was so intimidating I turtled the whole fight and I almost timed out. The random explosions of lv140 Shagaru Magala are still very questionable, however (they will periodically track you for the equivalent of one Mega Potion in damage). G-rank Gore Magala armor was also a very powerful armor, and an awesome one against Frenzy/Apex/Magala monsters. Because I don't have MHRise, I was a little bit sad when the Magala were announced in Sunbreak as it means they may skip MH6. Please Capcom, bring back Gore and Shagaru Magala in MH6 (and the Frenzy/Apex mechanic).
I like the risen shagaru only in forhorn arena because it gives me the vibe that it is the final showdown between you and him like in monster hunter 4 and if you lose the frenzy virus is gonna spread again and the world is doomed(sadly the virus doesn’t have a big role anymore) the theme is amazing and the fight is good but I still want the star pose and the sky being dark because he is just existing.
Gores new Shouldertackle originated from Frontiers exotics version of it. As exotics where introduced half way through frontiers lifecycle it was obvious a bit more extreme, as it was faster, with a larger hurtbox because gore tore through the ground and almost crost the entire map. I still shiver everyone time Gore does it in Sunbreak, as i get a flashback of my experience with Gore in frontier.
The gore's are my favorite monsters in the franchise ever since its first appearance in mh4. I was super excited when they came back in rise sunbreak. With the switch engine they look amazing and their new atts as well. With Shagarus risen form makes it past its limit to a whole new level and by far the hardest risen elder with risen valstrax below it.
Gore is officially an elder dragon and classified as an elder, he's simply a young elder that hasn't gained resistance to traps yet before gaining it as Shagaru.
I don't like the risen version, it is just too unnatural, it destroys the suspension of desbelief, regular Teostra is a well managed explosion monster, hell, even Gogmazios handled explotions very well, but most if not all risen monsters are way over the top, I hope they never get to the main series
They are in, rise is a mainline game anything made by fujioka or ichinose is mainline usually, non mainline is frontier and online, explore and stories unless considering rise non mainline is your way of keeping the suspension of disbelief that the risens destroyed
Risen Shagaru feels like what Shagaru was always meant to be. far above and beyond the power of chaotic gore and let alone regular gore
i feel like risen's are what the elders canonically are capable of in lore. Example being risen crimson glow using that attack crimson did in the cutscene in base rise.
@@AbelMusa cutscene valstrax but in game.
@@_Tzer I mean when you keep making normal ass wyverns as ridiculous as goddamn Magnamalo, pulling midair blast pirouettes and shotting railgun cannons, of course Elden Dragons have to become even more ridiculous. I enjoyed Rise a lot but design-wise it's not my cup of tea.
Risen shagaru is a god dam gunlance main, freaking explosions every where
@@AbelMusaWonder what you think about Wilds, then.
Gore magala and shagaru magala seem very intelligent even among elders. Especially the latter that cutscene in sunbreak had it purposefully use one monster to beat up another like using a tool. It also stares you down in 4u and shows off right after.
Another detail about gore’s classification is that he drops wyvern tears as a shiny so he’s just a wyvern that can turn into a dragon
i mean, technically not since to be a wyvern you need 4 limbs example: two legs, two wings/two legs, two arms (like brute wyverns).
and, to be a dragon you must have 6 or more limbs
@@vivianroman8600 I mean Jyuratodus is a wyvern too so i think we can allow 6 limbs in the wyvern tier.
@@Bazel_The_Bombardier his find count as 2 limbs
Actually, the distinction between wyvern and dragon isn't made in the Japanese version, as all reptilian monsters are referred to as "Ryūshu". Leviathans also fall into the wyvern classification, being referred to as "Sea Wyverns" (as opposed to piscine wyverns which are known as fish wyverns).
Gore magala's ??? classification isn't because it's of a different lineage to Shagaru (however that works), but it's purely because you can capture it.
Risen Shagaru Magala: “Welcome to McGala’s. How badly would you like your ass-whooped today?”
Love this comment 😂
My first time facing these guys was in sunbreak, but i recently fought gore and shagaru in generations ultimate. I have a great appreciation for chaotic gore magala.
I’ll never forget 4U’s caravan quests and Shagaru Magala’s campaign. Truly made me feel after finishing it that MH4’s base campaign was and still is one of the best gaming experiences ever.
Little correction - It's an affinity (critical hit rate) bonus that you get from overcoming the Frenzy.
This distinction is incredibly important in Sunbreak, when you can get the Bloodlust skill. With it, it becomes possible to get close to, or even reach 100% affinity even with a 0% affinity weapon by overcoming the Frenzy induced by this skill.
One of the most common ways to do this is with a Light Bowgun that has Pierce 2 ammunition of Rapid Fire, such as Malzeno's. With Critical Eye 7 (+40% affinity), Maximum Might 2 (+20% affinity while you have full stamina), the Daora Soul Jewel 3 (+5% affinity on first hit, +15% after 4-5 hits) and Bloodlust 1 (+20% affinity for 1 minute after overcoming the Frenzy), you can get to 95% affinity after overcoming the Frenzy as long as you keep shooting and hitting. Adding another point of Maximum Might or Bloodlust will put you over the 100% mark.
It's a scary amount of affinity with chaotic gore weapons which can also benefit from that negative crit jewel.
one thing you didn't mention is the sound design for them for sunbreak.
In 4U, prior to entering his frenzy state Gore would emit a gutteral roar to let you know he was about to let loose, an then he would emit a high pitched screech when he actually did go frenzy,in sunbreak he lets out the gutteral roar as he goes frenzy, which i think is a nice touch.
Shagaru got a nice touch up but it wasnt really changed much,when he goes frenzy he lets out a metalic squeal, although he lost the one roar he does when he takes to the skies and enters frenzy mode.
My favorite has to be chaotic in sunbreak, his initial roar has a mix of Gore and Shagaru, plus he has this awful wheezing sound,really sells that hes in alot of pain, my favorite detail however is whenever he enters is 2nd frenzy state, where he makes gores roar and shagarus squeal.
Overall i think the magalas sound the best they ever have in sunbreak.
Another detail of Chaotic Gore's ultimate in Sunbreak is that remaining in the blast zone before the explosion rapidly fills up the frenzy bar, almost guaranteeing you fail the frenzy bar.
Their story might not
be very long compared to the likes of rathalos , nargacuga or zinogre but still fascinating.
I did not expect the video to end up this long tbh
Has to be one of the best non-elder dragon technaclly
Definitely a contender, but the flagship monsters are always pretty good.
I always liked the risen elder dragons but I was not prepared to be absolutely blown away by Risen Shagaru. Masterclass of a fight all around
I wonder how next week's Malzeno variant will top him...
@@HeavyWings im actually terrified at the concept of something harder than Risen Shagaru. Especially if it gets an advanced moveset in Investigations
@@drxavier1870 It's definitely going to be interesting, Sunbreak doesn't rely on big guaranteed OHKO's or DPS checks. The harder monsters instead just cover wide areas with their attacks, move extremely fast and track you. The New Malzeno, if he is harder than Risen Shagaru, will be insane.
Yea holy shit risen val and risen shagaru really blows my mind
@Heavy Wings So now that he's out, what did you think of primordial malzeno?
Base shagaru resembles the sun Risen shagaru resembles the moon when it enters the risen state it resembles an eclipse.
Hazard risen shagaru also gets an upgrade to it's ultimate move after it's done smaller explosions can be seen on each of the four sides of it.
i love Shagaru since generation ,i always call them Evil dragon since it use dark energy
Chaos Shagaru on Sunbreak really Cool Love it
Another detail of Sunbreak Shagaru is that his claws now have a hue of Purple, giving him a bit more of a visual connection to Gore outside of shape.
Risen shagaru is just so much fun. Now that I've learnt him hes one of my faves, always feels intense but also with very clear windows of attack to balance it all out
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I remember that my friends talk about Gore Magala. I always want to challenge that monster in MH Sunbreak I got the opportunity to hunt Gore Magala on PS4 it was fun to face the way it looks, the way Gore attacks is amazing, even his weapon and armor is awesome. I'm happy to fight Gore Magala including Shigeru Magala and Chaotic Gore magala
Such a W monster
Agreed!
Chaotic Gore Magala in Sunbreak at True Frenzy State breaks Pitfall traps!!!!!
I actually didn't know that, very interesting!
@@HeavyWings Lorewise, Elder Dragons dont fall into traps because they are "smarter than the average Monster" and "because their power cannot be contained"
I think Gore being a youngling and Also blind, aside from mechanical explanations, is what makes It not aware/smart enough to avoid them, and It has less resilience to status and such so It can be captured(?)
At least It is what i like to think
So Chaotic Gore at its peak of its awareness and physical prowess breaking pitfall traps makes It awesome imo
Gore is classified as ??? because he could be any monster.
The recent update in his lore is that the frenzy virus slowly mutates the frenzied monsters into a gore magala.
the whole "gore turns other monsters into gore" isn't actually part of the mainline series' canon. that's a fan headcanon
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Dude, Intrepid Heart is so broken.
rocksteady mantle but better.
My dumbass: I'MA FLASH GORE MAGALA TO CALM HIM DOWN
Gore Magala's Blind Ass: Even I can see how f'n stupid that was, I'm blind bro.
0:22 Seregios cries in the corner
Poor Seregios, I hope he gets a variant someday...
@@HeavyWings I think they mean because Seregios is the flagship of 4 Ultimate, not Gore. Gore is the flagship of the base game.
I think gore magala and Chaotic should just be moved to the elder dragon classification, I don't care they they can be trapped, they can be unique Im that regard, but like he acutaly is just a elder dragon, this gives me such OCD lol
1:12 while you are afflicted with the debuff those frenzy puddles drain your hp it leaves around.
You can cure it with enough usage of a steam bomb not the buildup part but once your natural healing stops
Knew about the health drain but not the deodorant part, let me try that!
I know this has nothing to do with the video but I WANT A DOS REMAKE AND I WOULD PAY OVER 100 FOR IT TO LOOK LIKE WORLD
Would it been easy to classify Gore Magala as a Fledgling Dragon or something similar to that.
Thanks to a video by ragegamingvideos, I've learned that the flagship monsters don't tend to be as powerful as they should because of Variants/subspecies they plan to put into the game hence why rathalos feels natural in rise since there was no subspecies planned.
Risen shageru's entirely new moveset looks like what normal shageru should've had instead of the frenzy beam that fits risen shageru much more. Even the new super move looks like what normal shageru's intro used against seregios and barioth. How much better would normal shageru be if they never planned on adding Variants or powered up versions.
Hmmm yeah that would track. Chameleos didn't get many additions for Sunbreak, nor did Kushala, Valstrax or Shagaru. But their Risen forms got a ton of stuff.
Conversely, SB Teostra got a lot of new attacks, but his Risen form didn't get a whole lot. All that being said, I don't particularly mind that they did this.
rise rathalos is the best version of rathalos
@@HeavyWings Teostra's Risen didn't get many new moves but instead it got major enhancements for it's base moveset, like being able to do it's big forward facing mini-nuke twice in the EX version, and increasing the damage and size of it's dust explosions
As someone that really dug into Monster Hunter with 4u, seeing Magala back in Sunbreak felt like coming home. And now to see how much they've fine tuned my favorite monster I can't help but feel spoiled.
Chaotic will always hold a special place in my heart, the design is wonderful and the fight feels like a good mix up. But Risen Magala looks and plays incredibly, too. All in all, you can't complain as a fan for this generation, so much Magala to go around.
I'd like to consider gore magala(and chaotic) as pseudo elder dragon before becoming a shagaru magala
Magala fans are eating good this gen
long awaited lets go
Gore is the flagship of base 4. The flagship for 4 Ultimate is Seregios. Its like what happened with Freedom 2 and Freedom Unite. Unite IS 2 just with G rank content. And the flagship for Freedom 2 was Tigrex and for Freedom Unite its Nargacuga. But we never got base 4 in the west so it would confuse people if the box art showed Seregios. In Japan the box art is correct where base 4 has Gore and 4 Ultimate has Seregios.
Which is my favorite? I mean it should say something that Shagaru Magala is one of the two Monster Hunter plushies I own, AND is my phone lock screen. He’s easily my favorite of the Magalas, and is in my top 3 monsters, if not my favorite overall. Although the order of the top 3 shifts around a lot.
Good GOD hazard risen shagaru magala
I feel like they can make a new sub category of dragons, like lesser dragon or smt. They can make it so like they have less control over elements compared to elders, and be weaker in general compared to elders. It’s just an idea I thought of while thinking of a class for gore.
did quite a bit of afflicted chaotic when leveling and never saw that insta double-arm slam.
I didn't see it either until I had to fight him again for more footage.
No frontier gore?
too powerful also dark element and light element.
Disabled Child = Chaotic Gore Magala
How is it disabled?
yoooooooo finally GORE MAGALA
The entire line is amazing and are some of my favorite monsters, but at the end of the day I really love Chaotic Gore Magala. When I played 4U I really fell in love with his combination of both Magalas. And I soloed him before doing it co-op. I can't speak to Sunbreak's version because I haven't played it, but it looks amazing, especially with updated graphics. But he was still my vote in the favorite monster poll last month.
MH4U is my favorite MH game, with the Magala family being a big reason for this. Their appearance (I could be mistaken, but they are the first dragons with four forward arms, the wing arms being huge and with opposable thumbs). Their presence in the story, the Frenzy/Apex mechanic being caused by the Magala (as well as being the first enhanced states in a MH game and still the best), this was the first time a flagship monster had such a big influence in a MH game. My first actual fight against Gore Magala, I thought it was going to be easy, having fought him twice already before on the ship and to rescue the Ace Hunters. Then, his wing arms and feelers came out, the sky darkened, and I got destroyed. The Frenzy Mode was so intimidating I turtled the whole fight and I almost timed out. The random explosions of lv140 Shagaru Magala are still very questionable, however (they will periodically track you for the equivalent of one Mega Potion in damage). G-rank Gore Magala armor was also a very powerful armor, and an awesome one against Frenzy/Apex/Magala monsters.
Because I don't have MHRise, I was a little bit sad when the Magala were announced in Sunbreak as it means they may skip MH6. Please Capcom, bring back Gore and Shagaru Magala in MH6 (and the Frenzy/Apex mechanic).
Just a little correction, Gore and Shagaru were both introduced in 4, while Chaotic Gore was introduced in 4U.
I like the risen shagaru only in forhorn arena because it gives me the vibe that it is the final showdown between you and him like in monster hunter 4 and if you lose the frenzy virus is gonna spread again and the world is doomed(sadly the virus doesn’t have a big role anymore) the theme is amazing and the fight is good but I still want the star pose and the sky being dark because he is just existing.
Risen Shagaru expierienced the same thing he himself did in 4u to the Apex Monsters with the whole „overcoming the illness and become stronger“ thing
Gores new Shouldertackle originated from Frontiers exotics version of it. As exotics where introduced half way through frontiers lifecycle it was obvious a bit more extreme, as it was faster, with a larger hurtbox because gore tore through the ground and almost crost the entire map.
I still shiver everyone time Gore does it in Sunbreak, as i get a flashback of my experience with Gore in frontier.
Wait if gore Magala Is an elder dragon, then, why on the wiki is a classified under the mystery group?
The gore's are my favorite monsters in the franchise ever since its first appearance in mh4. I was super excited when they came back in rise sunbreak. With the switch engine they look amazing and their new atts as well. With Shagarus risen form makes it past its limit to a whole new level and by far the hardest risen elder with risen valstrax below it.
Gore is officially an elder dragon and classified as an elder, he's simply a young elder that hasn't gained resistance to traps yet before gaining it as Shagaru.
Doesn't sunbreak Shagaru does still do his star pose during an attack rather than when he enrages?
Edit: 10:14
Sunbreak's Shagaru Magala has a noticeably smaller wing area than 4th Gen Shagaru.
So edgy dragon got a video neat
My favorite monster. Loved his return except for the fact they erased the hypest part of Gore's theme for no reason.
I’ll full admit I don’t like risen shaggy the others were fun though
HELL YEAAAHHH.
If we also count the afflicted magalas, we have seven magalas
Ehhh that's a stretch lol but I see where you're coming from!
Gore was introduced into to mh4 or mh4u don’t know
Gore is the flagship and antagonist of the story of MH4
umm gore was introduced in mh4 not 4u
I don't like the risen version, it is just too unnatural, it destroys the suspension of desbelief, regular Teostra is a well managed explosion monster, hell, even Gogmazios handled explotions very well, but most if not all risen monsters are way over the top, I hope they never get to the main series
They are in, rise is a mainline game
anything made by fujioka or ichinose is mainline usually, non mainline is frontier and online, explore and stories
unless considering rise non mainline is your way of keeping the suspension of disbelief that the risens destroyed