ArtRage Vitae Vs Rebelle 6 Pro - What's The Best Software For Digital Oil Painting?
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
- Welcome to the first episode of what I'm lovingly calling the "Digital Software Showdown", where we pit two like-minded digital painting softwares against each other on a specific feature! In this first installment, we're taking a look at two titans of digital oil painting: ArtRage Vitae and Rebelle 6. Who has the superior digital oil paints? Let's find out!
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TIMESTAMPS -
0:00 - Intro
1:21 - Welcome
1:50 - Disclaimers
4:23 - Full Episode Overview
6:19 - ArtRage (Script Recording)
12:19 - Rebelle Built-In Timelapse Feature
13:48 - Mixability Comparison (Rebelle vs. ArtRage vs. Real Oils)
36:33 - Painting Timelapses and Final Verdict
52:36 - Final Image Comparisons and Outro
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For me the standout feature in rebelle is real pigments, being able to mix colors realistically like yellow and blue makes green. Plus you get a realistic intensity/saturation of color when using real pigments. You didn't use this feature in the video. It's activated on the layers panel by clicking on the paint tube icon.
My problem with Rebelle is similar to yours. The paint mixing isn't that intuituve and doesn't behave quite like you want it to if you are used to real paint. I have Vitae too, but mostly use rebelle despite fighting with the mixing a bit. The nano pixel feature of rebelle is impressive too for adding detail to your painted canvas. So you can make a lower res painting super high res, or zoom in a huge amount and not see pixels.
Both the real pigment and nanopixel are pro only features.
A really good software comparison. I mostly use Rebelle, occasionally ArtRage Vitae. But whenever I use ArtRage, it seems to me that ArtRage leads me to a looser and more expressive painting style. I think this is because of the palette knives in ArtRage. I love them.
Thank you, Georg! Yeah, those ArtRage palette knives are some sort of magic, I swear!
Hi Wes, I'm an absolute beginner with digital art, and trying to decide which software to buy. I think these are two great choices, but based on this video, I'm thinking that it could be easier to get started with ArtRage, so I can produce something I like without having to fiddle too much with the actual software.. And maybe I'll add Rebelle later, for the reasons you mentioned. Great video, and I'll be watching more of what you have put on UA-cam to pick up more tips. Thanks!
Thank you for the kind words, Daniel! You really can't go wrong with either one, you'll have a blast! Also, if you haven't tried Krita yet, give that a download as well (as it's fully free!). Enjoy the ride!
Love my Rebelle for oil does what i need it to do
Excellent program comparison
Thank you tons, Artlife!
@@ArtOfWesGardner I have a trial version of Artrage. I like it a lot but I can’t seem to blend well like I can in rebelle
Artrage is the most underrated art software out there. I have spent many years experimenting with PS, Corel Painter, Rebelle & Clip Studio. Artrage wins hands-down. What people (and software developers) forget is digital art is not real art. It's pixels. In the end you want software that pushes pixels around easily, without effort and works comfortably in the digital realm. Like you say in your vid... it's not something you can explain. You have to feel it.... and Artrage just feels right.
Thanks for this one, Wesley! Really gave me the confidence in me being on the right track, with my Rebelle learnings. Still struggling here and there, to get the right pil feel on the canvas, but perhaps that is more on me rather than the program lacking ability. For instance, I am currently wanting to get my Rebelle look to have a Ryan Pancoast feel, however I am struggling hard to do so. the finer oil look with next to no impasto but still texture in the oils is my current challenge to get right.
Do you imagine, that a Ryan Pancoast looking feel is at all possible within Rebelle 6?
Hey there! I definitely think it's possible to get that nice, grainy feel that Ryan gets with his traditional works, but I'd crank down the Impasto to be all the way off, turn Nanopixel on and make sure Paper and Paint Texture settings are cranked pretty high - This will allow the more dry pastel, acrylic, and oil brushes to "drag" on the canvas, as Ryan usually uses Gamsol and occasionally Liquin Original for his painting mediums, which allow for that rich brush drag. The more and more I'm dabbling with it, the more I'm realizing I probably need to bust out the traditional oils and solvents/mediums and really fine-tune the "feel" I want to achieve first with the tangible stuff, then try to replicate the exact feel on the programs themselves.
@@ArtOfWesGardner Thanks so much, Wesley! I have been working traditionally studying Ryan for a years time and therefore felt it was indeed possible to replicate, or at least close to, in Rebelle. However, for as much as I tried, nothing really hit and I went to the one person I knew could possibly steer me on the right tracks!
Thanks as always, Wes!
Great video. Again I must preface my comment with the statement that I'm a noob. But when I look at the two studies as "finished" products I find my eye drawn to the Rebelle version. But on reflection I think that could be more of a preference of your technique and lighting on one painting over the other rather than the art program itself. That said the Impasto srokes on the Rebelle version I really do like. When I look at your palette comparisons and your analysis of "less fuss no muss" learning curve with Art Rage over Rebelle, I think I would throw my pesos at Art Rage. Beyond the oil brushes what program offers the best overall experience, in terms, of other mediums i.e watercolour brushes etc?
So with Watercolors, Rebelle wipes the floor with everyone, as I've never used anything as cohesive as Rebelle's watercolor engine. It literally has options for using a hair dryer, intensity of the canvas "tilt" for drips, re-applying water and even salt mixtures to get separation and changes of digital "dry time", it's truly insane. I'd say with charcoals and pastels, though, there's probably a 4 or 5-way tie, as every software I've used has some amazing results with the dry mediums. Gonna note them down for some future videos, methinks!
I'd like to know what tools YOU use for your Star Wars paintings. I just gotta know!
I have both and there is just something about Artrage. I can’t put my finger on it exactly but it just “feels” better.
Completely agree. On paper, Rebelle seems to check all the boxes of being the superior choice, but the feel of ArtRage simply can't be beat!
The way you painted the ArtRage picture was better. It was muted and you added those yellows. It was just better looking. But, Rebelle is a better software. GREAT video
Thank you so much my friend! I appreciate you!
Looks like Rebelle 7 is coming :)
But I will look if its worth :X
I'm on Ipad, and I can say like you that Artrage is phenomenal in the mix of colors. Artset 4 is good too, except that it does not offer the possibility of having a reference image. They remain Artstudio pro, which I hesitate because of its price, not enough video about it that could confirm its quality. It is still in demo on my tablet. If you could give me your opinion it would help me and many people too.....Thank you (I am a beginner in digital art.......)
Thank you, Levesque! I actually have ArtStudio Pro installed on my IPad as we speak in order to put it through its paces and make a video about it, great minds think alike!
@@ArtOfWesGardner I have it installed too and would love to see it go to work with a pro as you.
21:03 I see to blend you are doing the pick color, paint,pick other color paint to blend the colors
Curious, do you think at this point should we have programs that just blend the colors without having to keep sampling the colors?
That's a cool idea! I like having the "control" over the amount of blend between the colors (which is why I do the click-sample-paint-click-sample-paint method you mention), but it'd be nice to have it slightly more automated. It runs the risk of "auto-completing" a blend where I wouldn't want one, though, so I don't know how often I'd use the feature even if it did exist, ha!
@@ArtOfWesGardner i see exactly what your saying I'm coming at it from trying to mimic real world, where mostly you just blend the paints on the canvas there isn't as much back and forth grabbing a color ...if that makes sense
Someday I'd really like to see a digital turpentine that actually works like turpentine mixing with oil, including drips and washes if thinned out enough
Oh man, if there's ever a true "digital turpentine", I'd be in HEAVEN. I think Rebelle may be able to achieve it first, as if there's a way they could integrate a mild version of their watercolor engine, but with thicker paints like the oils.....ooohhhhhh man, the possibilities could be endless!
Thanks - really interesting and informative. I got them both...but I´m not the best with oil :-) I would like too see you do something with Krita. I really like Krita...and its free as well. Thx .:-)
I have some older videos using Krita, but I definitely need to revisit it! It's such a stellar program!
I was shouting at the screen for you to turn on pigment mixing in Rebelle, haha. Seems like a pretty big deal when comparing realism?
Ha, super true! I'm having a video coming soon with using Rebelle 7 as it comes out in a few days, so I'll be sure to keep pigment mixing on this time LOL! It's an amazing feature for sure, but in an odd way doesn't really change the way the app "functions", if that makes sense? The colors can look a little closer to "correct" as compared to mixing pigments, but the overall experience of using the tools and brushes remains fairly unchanged.
Awesome! I'm excited for the new height map canvas, it's actually something I suggested to them. I feel like there's not been a lot of innovation in digital painting software the last 10-15 years or so and this could be huge for texture and mark making@@ArtOfWesGardner
I adore ArtRage, and I agree--it feels just right. I've used it a lot for the last several years. I'm not attracted to Procreate; it does a lot but the UI seems too complex and fussy. I think I might feel the same about Rebelle (I bought v6 and NEVER OPENED IT). That said, I also purchased v7 while it was on presale. Those metallics! And the drips!! I'm a big fan of drips but ArtRage doesn't do it (does it??!). If Rebelle would release an iOS version, i'd buy that, too. I enjoyed your comparison. Thank you!
PS -- all of these apps are a bargain, when you are used to Creative Cloud prices!!
Hahah, ABSOLUTELY agreed!!
Thank you so much, Betty! So Rebelle's the only one with those amazing watercolor drips, they're an absolute game-changer! I'm so glad there's so many great options for painting programs, it makes the whole art journey way more fun!
The main downside and deciding factor in not using Artrage Vitae is the fact that you can only buy it on the MS store on PC.
Not even a contender to R6 for that reason alone, IMO.
I really want to understand Artrage to see what the hype is about but I cant get the brushes to behave right for me or even look right. Like the default brushes dont seem so great that it turns me off very fast and the interface too. The interface and the brushes you have on this video seem totally different.
I prefer Artrage and i'm using the version of my Android and also in the desktop nothing
The Artrage is the big winner here
dont u use the real-pigments feature from rebelle?
I do sometimes! For this one, I actually didn't use the Real Pigments mode, as it actually didn't change the "mixability" test results all that much (meaning Rebelle natively has great blending and doesn't necessarily *need* the Real Pigments blending to be effective at getting the "real" look). Plus, users who don't purchase the Pro version can see how the standard version stacks up (as the non-Pro version doesn't have Real Pigment blending).
@@ArtOfWesGardner Ah ok 🙂 I´m a beginner and have problems with blending while keeping the texture/strokes of the brush. when use blend/merge it all got blurred out. Do u have a hint or already a video out on this topic? Havent find one searching. Or is it a thing of technique and how you paint - like not blending at all and just paint over paint or used ready mixed colors from the color-wheel...but this would take some fun from mixing colors while painting right?
I think you nailed it, doing a subtle blend and then "color picking" the mixed color would be a great way to get the exact blended color you're after, but then get 100% of a brush's texture/stroke with that new color. That's pretty close to working with real oils, as you can always blend two colors/tones on your canvas, then just use your brush and dab to pick up the "blended" color before applying it to your canvas. Hope that helps a bit, but that's a great topic for a video!
@@ArtOfWesGardner ☺ looking forward to it
How did you get the dark UI?
In ArtRage Vitae, under the 'View' menu, I go to 'Interface', then there's an option for 'Lights Out' which is their version of dark mode. I also have on the 'Docking' mode instead of 'Classic'. I don't think the Lights Out mode is available on earlier versions of ArtRage, as I first noticed it in Vitae. Hope this helps!
@@ArtOfWesGardner big help, thank you for the swift response. Something I’m not used to …you earned my subscription and like. Cheers.
@@resslerartstudios You bet, thanks so much for the support!
Can you review game.. Vermillion VR ?
Requires VR headset :}
That would be a total blast! Sadly I don't own a VR headset, but if 2024 is productive, I may be able to take the plunge!
I would use ArtRage all the time, but my brush strokes have terrible shoe lace effects. Sometimes even little "nipples" (for lack of a better term!) at the ends of my strokes that I can't seem to get rid of. Is there a setting somewhere that I can adjust or fix this? I only have this problem in ArtRage.
Hmmm, do you have any images of what you mean? I *think* I know what you mean, and I think it's a mix of how ArtRage's "impasto" effect works, but I also think it may be mitigated a little bit with cranking up the paint loading and thinner settings?
I understand what you mean; I generally won’t use oil brushes with round heads in ArtRage specifically for this reason. Try turning down the pressure, it’s kind of ArtRage’s term for using pressure sensitivity to effect size. And maybe consider changing your oil brushes to square heads. You can also turn down the pressure sensitivity on your tablet if you’re heavy handed.
Also, your Gumroad link doesn't work :/
Oh snap, I'll glance at it! Thanks Ric!
But arttrage hasn't had any updates like in a year oor more. Why you might ask
Which is why I like it.... so it does'nt become filled with bloatware.
@@Betty-Boops but it's falling behind newer systems with different tools and features.
More features mean less time making art. They are just distractions to make you spend money.@@Megzamani
@@MegzamaniYah! ArtRage is my painting software of choice (trying to get Rebelle 7 to behave in a similar manner,… I l like it, but the impasto is still no comparison to what ArtRage can do), but they could really afford to make some upgrades! They haven’t been very nimble in that regard. Rebelle is leading the pack in just how responsive they are to their patron’s needs and request; MORE software companies could actually learn a lesson or two (or five) from the Rebelle team!
I purchase rebelle 5 for $10 bucks
Such a fantastic deal!
Je préfère largement Rebelle.
I personally prefer Rebelle over Artrage. Artrage feels more like a toy
Artrage has not been updated for years, no dark theme, glitches... And of course no response from the developers. Typical. Time to leave the sinking ship.
Never worked out why people actually want dark mode.
Light mode disturbs eyes and consumes massively more energy. So Dark Mode
™ is a double-win ♻🌎
@@zumbalexxo Always a big no for me - drains my energy, harder to look at. It's always a pain at work when people screen share for online code reviews and everything's dark again. I know it's popular - but it's not popular with me.
@@zumbalexxoI have dark mode on my ArtRage… just go to the preferences and you can change the colors of the entire UI.
ArtRage has dark mode.
Art Rage for oils, Rebelle for watercolor. End of story
Case closed. Agree.
I have never had the chance to try Rebelle. I had wondered. I prefer acrylics/oils to watercolors, so I will stick to Artrage. TY!
@@patrickdeel4283 I use both. I find Artrage has some advantages with regards to the way real oil paint acts, if you know how to adjust the brush settings. I started painting long before digital apps were available, and have on occasion been so immersed in Artrage, I have said outloud, damn it's still wet, before remebering its digital. That said I am finding the more I use Rebelle the more I want to use Rebelle. There is a lot under the hood that I had to discover over time. When all is said and done, it's the final output that's important. You can create beutiful work with both. Water color with Rebelle is astounding, and occasionally frustrating. So I mainly use just the oils and Acrylics at this point. Use both Artrage and Rebelle if you can. Bouncing back and forth is fun. It's a joy the tools artist have theses days.
Rebelle 7 pro manages acrylic, gouache and oils splendidly. Artrage is no competition and lacks development.
In the end it comes down to your own talent. Not the software. The pencil does not need updates. It's a pencil. Rebelle markets itself very well but it's a beta program that still under performs in alot of areas.... and they expect the consumer to fork out alot of money each release for something half baked. Artrage is a finished product. Like a pencil.@@fortesmentum1719