Doogal is essentially what would happen if one of cheesy early abridged dubs on UA-cam somehow getting a big budget theatrical release, and that’s funny to think.
So we had Dougal Adults in the 60s like we got Bluey adults now Edit: Just finished the video, and it hits me in a different level knowing that I'm bound to this industry in the future as an arts student. Very touching and well put documentary.
I wanna say its kind of funny to me as a british person who watched the original magic roundabout as a kid (tv show and all) and find out why people ragged on the american version so much. beautiful documentry though, truly wonderful
this is one of my favorite animation documentaries on youtube this year next to the ROTTEN: Behind the Foodfight and This Anime exposed a $28,000,000,000 Sweatshop.
I should put Whatever Happened to Domo-kun and check video dates. i rewatch this one video on my family trip when I'm on the road.. still i really love this video.
I know alot of people shit on this movie and call it terrible but this movie was my childhood and i loved it, my favorite quote is “we’re gonna lose this race to thomas the tank engine?” My favorite character was Ermentrude because i love cows
Dude, you have made a phenomenal documentary about a French cartoon only the Europeans remembers. I know how important the Magic Roundabout is to European culture and I do get the feeling of nostalgia. Sadly Doogal by HW was my first introduction to the MR.
Just wish he'd pronounced Pollux semi-correctly and either completely disregard the Canal+ credit or looked up what it is lmao But yeah it was nice to see an otherwise comprehensive video on a somewhat niche yet iconic work of art - or on its Americanization i guess !
How do you think I feel? I was actually unironically hyped to see it in when I was a kid not knowing about the full context of the original material from Europe. I just experienced a bastardized translation
The British dub of The Magic Roundabout movie is far better than the American dub Doogal and I haven't summed up the courage to watch Doogal yet, in fact I'm never going to bother watching it. The British dub has Bill Nighy, Ian McKellen and Tom Baker, these actors ae awesome and I love the Kylie Minogue song.
I grew up with the american dub and it's fucking awful, I feel horrible for ever enjoying it as a kid, as I watch this guy summarize the british version, the better it actually looks, i dare say the british one seems like an actually alright film
Yeah, I'm sending The 74 Minute Long Doogal-Mentary to all my friends. They can't possibly stop me, and this needs to be seen and appreciated. Also I cannot stop saying "I'm watching The 74 Minute Long Doogal-Mentary". I'm driving my parents mental. This is an insanely well produced, put-together video essay/docu. You enunciate well and speak at a digestable pace. I never found myself bored, even though I've never heard of this movie or any of its creators before. The history is fascinating and a great lesson in balancing premise, promise, and delivery. You are a good interviewer, and know how to pace discussions so as not to bombard your audience with too much information at once. EVERYTHING about this documentary is good. It's so good that I'm completely baffled that it has so few views and you have so few followers. This is Defunctland-level good. I don't think I can say that about too many of the dozens upon dozens of other VE'ers on this platform. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go binge all your videos (I'm particularly excited at the Hazbin Hotel one) and put both the original Magic Roundabout show and Tom Thumb movie on my viewing list. Cheerio!
It's a great initiative and very well-researched regarding the American side of things. But i genuinely can't get over the mispronunciation of Pollux (aka one of the show's biggest legacy i mean, he's the eponymous "Doogal" in English.....) and the off-handed acknowledgment of "Canal+" but it being handwaved instead of looked into.... For that alone i think "Defunctland levels" is definitely an overstatement, but i'm glad he's getting recognition and you discovered this IP
Great work! I appreciate you reaching out to the original creatives to get the British side of the story. The whole tale of it's creation as a french short turned british ad-lib was fascinating! Kinda funny how the 80's thru the 00's was the peak of the practice of import dubbing combined with remixing the content itself. I think the pinnacle of that practice was the show Macross being malformed into Robo-tech by Harmony Gold. I think the wiki's opening line says it best: "Robotech is an American 85-episode adaptation of three unrelated Japanese anime television series." Like, no way that shit would fly today. There are reasons I think this practice happened but I won't mention them here! Now-a-days with the internet it's much easier for shows to be imported, sub or dub track, as well as copywrite holders won't approve of someone taking their show and smashing it together with other properties. Other notable examples being 4Kids bizarro meddling and genuinely all of Power Rangers.
I forgot about MXC, Most Extreme Challenge. It was similar to Magical Roundabout where it was licensed footage re-dubbed to be funny. Was spike tv tho so your funny may very.
50:23 "Arthur And The Minimoys" is one of the movies that unfortunately got this treatment(the Weinstein Version of this movie is called "Arthur And The Invisibles")
Cannot also forget Richard William’s “The Thief and the Cobbler”, and that version he butchered was already a reworked version of the original intended film.
According to Jenny Nicholson, the original version of Arthur was also awful, and the Weinstein version at least got rid of the creepy adult/child relationship.
You know I find a damn shame because we f****** got the man the legend the motherfuking David Bowie to be f****** Force to do this this is kind of our fault guys had of not this happened David Bowie would still not be alive today but at least make better decisions before he died
Jesus christ im shocked that someone remember this films mocksterpiece, which the film still shock me till this day I understand The American version maybe terrible, but me and my sisters watched this when it's available and minus the pop culture I love the it's a forbidden nostalgia rabbit hole which I can't wait to come back to.
Daniel… this was an AMAZING video! This movie was the whole reason I became obsessed with the original stop-motion series and your research into uncovering some of the making of the original British version is amazingly well done :D Since I discovered this movie, I’ve done some personal research on the original series, and based on some of my own findings, I was so surprised that the UK has messed up some of the “official” facts and history behind the show. The Magic Roundabout truly deserves to have its history properly rewritten!
What I see is childhood nostalgia. This film has resonated with me since first watch, and hearing more about the production history and the legacy of the original series, it feels tear jerking. And Paul & Andy's words are encouraging and inspiring. Here's to hoping their words reach other artists in the near future.
I remember when this movie came out I was obsessed with it, I'm mexican so we got the LatAm spanish version of the American dub, I then got it bootlegged at a flea market, except that the movie was in Spanish from Spain, so I watched the UK version for the longest time and then got the original DVD and I was confused as to why tf everyone was talking so much and making so many references to stuff I didnt know. Even as a 7 year old I knew smth was up. Dylan was def my fave.
That was a great documentary! Magic Roundabout the Eric Thompson dubbed masterpiece is so underrated! Sometimes I feel like the only American to have heard of it I am glad someone else appreciates it!
Amazing video you did there about the history of The Magic Roundabout, Daniel! The 2005 animated film was the main reason why I become fascinated with the franchise.
51:57 damn to think that Stewart would knew something was up about Weinstein even back then 11 years before and I actually own that dvd had as a birthday gift when I was like 6, damn it’s scary to see how back then we didn’t know what he was up to back then
this is so funny because I grew up with this movie, and being an american mexican child with little to no grasp of the english language, the references did not phase me. I was captivated by the strange animation and characters, nothing more, nothing less.
dang this is a beautiful video. i remember loving this movie as a kid, and seeing someone dive so deep into it - and especially the artists who all helped to create it, directly or indirectly - is just wonderful. it's so easy to forget the people who come together to make these things, so easy to mock what was given to us with no further thought put to it.
My friend's take on The Dark side of Oz is that each different release syncs up with a different movie. Apparently the one on Spotify syncs up to Doogal.
Great video my introduction to doogal was through the 2005 movie as well. I wasn’t expecting something so in depth by far one of my favorite video essays I stumbled across. Keep it up ❤️
This video is a masterpiece! I absolutely adore The Magic Roundabout and have looked around for information on it, but I never saw such a beautiful, introspective, and well-researched documentary about it! You're incredibly skilled, and I can't wait to see what you make next, in the meantime I'll be binging your previous videos. Amazing job!
I watched Doogal every year on the anniversary of it's release in a tradition me and my friends call Doogal Day. This ost recent one was the eighth time I've done it and I've grown to unconditionally love the movie, as genuinely terrible as it is. Seeing this in my recommendations brought me great joy, and the video is great too.
The Butch section concerns me because I don’t know who’s more at fault for the movie being a flop. On the one hand, there’s Butch Hartman, a notorious liar. On the other hand, there’s Harvey Weinstein, a notorious monster. Everything Butch says sounds completely in-character for Weinstein, but it’s also in character for Butch to minimize his own roll in bad productions. I think he’s more responsible for the script than he’d like to admit, but I have no doubt in my mind that Weinstein was exactly as bad as he described. Like, who would lie about Harvey deliberately scheduling a meeting on the one day they’re not available? That’s too specific to have been fake, and it lines up with previous accounts of his weird power-play negotiations. Plus the rest of the actors sound like they hold more resentment towards Weinstein than the script, so I imagine that whatever happened in the recording process made the movie much worse.
Man I used to watch the American Doogal movie alllll the time when I was super duper young. It’s one of the only movies I’d ever want to watch; making my parents play it over and over again. I have little to no memory of the dialogue in the movie but I do remember my parents sometimes begging not to have to watch the movie again lol. Imagine how many more times I would have watched it if it was actually GOOD 😭
And here I was thinking that there wasn’t much to the story behind the making of the original 2005 movie! Never thought it would involve the home of Wallace & Gromit & Shaun the Sheep! Great research and
59:44 Plus ever since I saw the original version (which is from the UK), giving him the voice of a man just makes everything funnier. Now rather than seeming like a kids film that some adults may find funny (as the American version did), it seems like an adult film that kids could possibly enjoy.
Great Video, Daniel! It goes to show how corporations can interfere with someone else’s art. (By the way the Doogal trailer on the Hoodwinked DVD was my first introduction to The Magic Roundabout unfortunately)
Amazing, well researched video, was not expecting to learn so much about the actual people that developed the movie rather than just the US dub shenanigans.
As a british viewer, the original magic roundabout was… unhinged. There’s a common joke that the show was made under the influence of LSD and weed, the LSD idea coming from Dougal’s love of sugar cubes, and the idea of weed is perpetuated by the fact the character Dylan likes grass and acts stoned.
it's a shame such talented people like Butch often squander every bit of goodness and artistry they once had, I just couldn't live with myself if I sold out, no matter how much money I'd be making.
Just woke up, missed the premiere but this'll be an interesting watch. If I remember correctly this is one of the shittiest animated films of all time with a strangely stacked voice cast
The 2005 movie wasn't the first time the franchise was brought to the United States, nor is Butch Hartman the only connection it has to Nickelodeon. Back around the early 80s, an American dub of the classic stop motion series was made as a segment on Pinwheel, Nickelodeon's very first show. ua-cam.com/video/G8G5_kXD3nQ/v-deo.htmlsi=rthJMeqBkAUYKYso
This is such an otherwise thorough examination and dive into the Americanization of Le Manège Enchanté - interviews included. That's why i can't get over these two things (like they threw me off so bad lmao) : - The mispronunciation of Pollux? He's "Doogal", he's one of the OG work's biggest legacy. Was it pronounced here as "Polou" bc of the -oo in "Doogal"? Why was the -x treated as silent? 😭 i'm confused - The mention of Canal+ just to basically handwave it away as some kind of enigma or irrelevant question mark. I think you should've either skipped the studio credits or actually looked into it... It's one of the - if not *the* - biggest French channels and studios. They used to be (not anymore imo, the direction they took is a whole conversation on its own) a huge deal when it comes to the distribution and access of foreign media in France
I grew up with the butchered American version Doogal so hearing the characters speak in a different accent is very strange to me but interesting and far less painful than the american version.
Here's the thing about Butch: he's not trustworthy. In other words, I don't really believe him when he says they changed everything he did. He has a habit of blaming other people anytime something he's responsible for or has a hand in flops. And he's a notorious liar at this point. In other words, I 100% think they used his script.
Given that Harvey Weinstein had previously done pretty much the exact same thing to another animated movie (The Thief and the Cobbler) without Butch's involvement, I think Butch is telling the truth.
You also really can't blame them for using Stewart. He was at the top of his popularity at the time, arguably the biggest late night comic in the country. Same goes for Fallon, who was also a big name. And Goldberg had done voice acting before in The Lion King, among other things.
Doogal has been one of my special interests since I was like 6, I think I've seen the American Doogal movie over 200 times LMAO got this vid in my recs
I was a REALLY young kid seeing the butchered US release of Doogal and I wonder if it being so in your face and unsure pop culture references really turned me off to it as a kid, even with owning the DVD and a Mcdonalds toy from the movie. Watching this video is curing the knowledge that at least I wasn't fever dreaming this terrible cut but slightly wishing my parents got a copy of the UK release (as an American). I feel like I've only seen it fully twice not counting either falling asleep during it or turning it off mid movie to put on something else cause that Star Trek convention comment REALLY threw me off as I'm watching this video. Like who's kid is gonna understand that reference unless they grew up with Star Trek, which I didn't so it was lost to me along with the other pop culture references.
I avoided this movie as a kid because I didn't realize this was a dub and just wanted to see Hoodwinked 2. Then Hoodwinked 2 came out years later and in a terrible state...
i remember seeing doogal back in 2007 it's a decent movie an interesting voice cast: chevy chase has a unique voice as the locomotive, Jon stewart is great as the Villain(they save the movie) i give it a 6/10 could be better definitely not the worst not sure why people hate on it and make fun on how supposedly terrible it is
Doogal is essentially what would happen if one of cheesy early abridged dubs on UA-cam somehow getting a big budget theatrical release, and that’s funny to think.
that literally is how I remember it nowadays 😭
Nah, we already have Ghost Stories
@@ShirubaGin yet ghost stories was wildly praised while doogal was criticized.
@@ShirubaGin ghost stories wasn’t released in theaters though
@@BugsyFoga its called a gag dub SMH
Butch Hartman jumpscare warning
Oh no it got worse
A soon as you said “Butch Hartman” I grabbed the sides of my head and said “OH NO” with a grimace….
And I can't believe I came away from this feeling *bad* for him.
@@Train1231122 I mean we can still feel sympathy over being dealt a terrible hand. Even if it's not sympathy for the person being dealt said hand.
So we had Dougal Adults in the 60s like we got Bluey adults now
Edit: Just finished the video, and it hits me in a different level knowing that I'm bound to this industry in the future as an arts student. Very touching and well put documentary.
Every children/toddler show have their demographic of adult.
Just ask Thomas the Tank Engine, Arthur, Pingu, Wordgirl and, of course, Sesame Street
Weinstein almost tried to ruin Princess Mononoke but Miyazaki stopped him.
Not the only thing Weinstein tried to ruin.
now only is Weinstein a rapist but he's an artistic rapist as well, go figure.
@@alysssabear Ahem, Hoodwinked was almost ruined, but it wasn't.
I heard Hayao Miyazaki send HW a message to him saying “no cuts”.
Dude had about as much respect for movies as he had for women.
I wanna say its kind of funny to me as a british person who watched the original magic roundabout as a kid (tv show and all) and find out why people ragged on the american version so much. beautiful documentry though, truly wonderful
hearing Bill Nighy pull off a rather convincing brit hippie voice is bringing so much joy to my heart❤
ITS DOOGALING TIME
Then he doogled all over them.
@@professorhaystacks6606 Now imagine a Rob Zombie adaptation...!
this is one of my favorite animation documentaries on youtube this year next to the ROTTEN: Behind the Foodfight and
This Anime exposed a $28,000,000,000 Sweatshop.
i just saw $28,000,000,000 Sweatshop video was out last year oops.
I should put Whatever Happened to Domo-kun and check video dates. i rewatch this one video on my family trip when I'm on the road.. still i really love this video.
It’s been 84 years… I cannot wait to see the magnum opus.
I know alot of people shit on this movie and call it terrible but this movie was my childhood and i loved it, my favorite quote is “we’re gonna lose this race to thomas the tank engine?”
My favorite character was Ermentrude because i love cows
Good for you, kid. But just because you love it doesn’t mean people can’t hate on it.
@@skunkman9815 Glad to have someone with similar fondness for this thing
Also liked the train because I LOVE trains, but yeah… this movie SUUUUUUUUUCKS!
@@lambiegabby4055 they never said people couldn’t hate on it, they were just sharing their experience…
Dude, you have made a phenomenal documentary about a French cartoon only the Europeans remembers. I know how important the Magic Roundabout is to European culture and I do get the feeling of nostalgia. Sadly Doogal by HW was my first introduction to the MR.
Same the hw version was a part of my childhood, now I just wanna see the actual one that was released in the UK
Im a 90s kid and I kind of grew up on the show
@@Jonathanest90s This American remembers I only because “hey, wasn’t Kevin Smith in that?”
Same here, ruined by a Hollywood monster
Just wish he'd pronounced Pollux semi-correctly and either completely disregard the Canal+ credit or looked up what it is lmao
But yeah it was nice to see an otherwise comprehensive video on a somewhat niche yet iconic work of art - or on its Americanization i guess !
Americans getting their first exposure to The Magic Roundabout through this film makes me feel actual physical pain.
How do you think I feel? I was actually unironically hyped to see it in when I was a kid not knowing about the full context of the original material from Europe.
I just experienced a bastardized translation
The British dub of The Magic Roundabout movie is far better than the American dub Doogal and I haven't summed up the courage to watch Doogal yet, in fact I'm never going to bother watching it. The British dub has Bill Nighy, Ian McKellen and Tom Baker, these actors ae awesome and I love the Kylie Minogue song.
I grew up with the american dub and it's fucking awful, I feel horrible for ever enjoying it as a kid, as I watch this guy summarize the british version, the better it actually looks, i dare say the british one seems like an actually alright film
But again, I really can't stress enough just how unreliable Butch "I Created Your Childhood" Hartman is on a source on all of this.
Yeah, I'm sending The 74 Minute Long Doogal-Mentary to all my friends. They can't possibly stop me, and this needs to be seen and appreciated. Also I cannot stop saying "I'm watching The 74 Minute Long Doogal-Mentary". I'm driving my parents mental.
This is an insanely well produced, put-together video essay/docu. You enunciate well and speak at a digestable pace. I never found myself bored, even though I've never heard of this movie or any of its creators before. The history is fascinating and a great lesson in balancing premise, promise, and delivery. You are a good interviewer, and know how to pace discussions so as not to bombard your audience with too much information at once. EVERYTHING about this documentary is good. It's so good that I'm completely baffled that it has so few views and you have so few followers. This is Defunctland-level good. I don't think I can say that about too many of the dozens upon dozens of other VE'ers on this platform. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go binge all your videos (I'm particularly excited at the Hazbin Hotel one) and put both the original Magic Roundabout show and Tom Thumb movie on my viewing list. Cheerio!
It's a great initiative and very well-researched regarding the American side of things. But i genuinely can't get over the mispronunciation of Pollux (aka one of the show's biggest legacy i mean, he's the eponymous "Doogal" in English.....) and the off-handed acknowledgment of "Canal+" but it being handwaved instead of looked into....
For that alone i think "Defunctland levels" is definitely an overstatement, but i'm glad he's getting recognition and you discovered this IP
Great work! I appreciate you reaching out to the original creatives to get the British side of the story. The whole tale of it's creation as a french short turned british ad-lib was fascinating!
Kinda funny how the 80's thru the 00's was the peak of the practice of import dubbing combined with remixing the content itself. I think the pinnacle of that practice was the show Macross being malformed into Robo-tech by Harmony Gold. I think the wiki's opening line says it best: "Robotech is an American 85-episode adaptation of three unrelated Japanese anime television series." Like, no way that shit would fly today. There are reasons I think this practice happened but I won't mention them here!
Now-a-days with the internet it's much easier for shows to be imported, sub or dub track, as well as copywrite holders won't approve of someone taking their show and smashing it together with other properties.
Other notable examples being 4Kids bizarro meddling and genuinely all of Power Rangers.
I forgot about MXC, Most Extreme Challenge. It was similar to Magical Roundabout where it was licensed footage re-dubbed to be funny. Was spike tv tho so your funny may very.
50:23 "Arthur And The Minimoys" is one of the movies that unfortunately got this treatment(the Weinstein Version of this movie is called "Arthur And The Invisibles")
Cannot also forget Richard William’s “The Thief and the Cobbler”, and that version he butchered was already a reworked version of the original intended film.
According to Jenny Nicholson, the original version of Arthur was also awful, and the Weinstein version at least got rid of the creepy adult/child relationship.
there's a different version?! I never knew that!
You know I find a damn shame because we f****** got the man the legend the motherfuking David Bowie to be f****** Force to do this this is kind of our fault guys had of not this happened David Bowie would still not be alive today but at least make better decisions before he died
@@Serithe can you tell me in which video she said it? I'm pretty interested
Jesus christ im shocked that someone remember this films mocksterpiece, which the film still shock me till this day I understand The American version maybe terrible, but me and my sisters watched this when it's available and minus the pop culture I love the it's a forbidden nostalgia rabbit hole which I can't wait to come back to.
Alright, they got a good laugh out of me during the bit with the sugar cubes. Sam's confusion and disgust at Dougal's iron stomach is perfect.
I’ve used to watch Doogal when it was on DVD with the weird US Dub featuring Jon Stewart as the villain. Stunning video on the movie as well.
I'm still baffled that the Jon Stewart character was originally voiced by Tom Baker. XD
this video just randomly appeared on my recommended and it completely blew me away. great work, man!
This Doogal documentary has more plot twist than an M Night Shaymalan film. I loved every second of this, you got a new subscriber right here 🎉
Daniel… this was an AMAZING video! This movie was the whole reason I became obsessed with the original stop-motion series and your research into uncovering some of the making of the original British version is amazingly well done :D
Since I discovered this movie, I’ve done some personal research on the original series, and based on some of my own findings, I was so surprised that the UK has messed up some of the “official” facts and history behind the show. The Magic Roundabout truly deserves to have its history properly rewritten!
What I see is childhood nostalgia. This film has resonated with me since first watch, and hearing more about the production history and the legacy of the original series, it feels tear jerking.
And Paul & Andy's words are encouraging and inspiring. Here's to hoping their words reach other artists in the near future.
Dudes will see this and go hell yea. I'm dudes
hell yea
58:17 - Maybe it's just the way you've framed it within the context of the rest of the video, but that "Hey, I'm Steve" actually got me. 😅
I remember when this movie came out I was obsessed with it, I'm mexican so we got the LatAm spanish version of the American dub, I then got it bootlegged at a flea market, except that the movie was in Spanish from Spain, so I watched the UK version for the longest time and then got the original DVD and I was confused as to why tf everyone was talking so much and making so many references to stuff I didnt know. Even as a 7 year old I knew smth was up. Dylan was def my fave.
Eso fue lo mismo que paso conmigo, así fue como conocí la versión en Castellano del tíovivo Mágico
This was one of the most intricate documentaries I've ever seen since "Beware the Groove: The Making of A Cult Classic". Nice job.
That was a great documentary! Magic Roundabout the Eric Thompson dubbed masterpiece is so underrated! Sometimes I feel like the only American to have heard of it I am glad someone else appreciates it!
Amazing video you did there about the history of The Magic Roundabout, Daniel! The 2005 animated film was the main reason why I become fascinated with the franchise.
51:57 damn to think that Stewart would knew something was up about Weinstein even back then 11 years before and I actually own that dvd had as a birthday gift when I was like 6, damn it’s scary to see how back then we didn’t know what he was up to back then
this is so funny because I grew up with this movie, and being an american mexican child with little to no grasp of the english language, the references did not phase me. I was captivated by the strange animation and characters, nothing more, nothing less.
dang this is a beautiful video. i remember loving this movie as a kid, and seeing someone dive so deep into it - and especially the artists who all helped to create it, directly or indirectly - is just wonderful. it's so easy to forget the people who come together to make these things, so easy to mock what was given to us with no further thought put to it.
Awesome video, I love your editing style, just overall super entertaining! You deserve to be more well known, keep up the good work :D
My friend's take on The Dark side of Oz is that each different release syncs up with a different movie. Apparently the one on Spotify syncs up to Doogal.
Great video my introduction to doogal was through the 2005 movie as well. I wasn’t expecting something so in depth by far one of my favorite video essays I stumbled across. Keep it up ❤️
I'm so ready for this
1:01:02 Wait, wait, wait, Nickelodeon AND Disney were involved in the late 2000's revival of the Magic Roudabount series? HOW?!
This video is a masterpiece! I absolutely adore The Magic Roundabout and have looked around for information on it, but I never saw such a beautiful, introspective, and well-researched documentary about it! You're incredibly skilled, and I can't wait to see what you make next, in the meantime I'll be binging your previous videos. Amazing job!
I’m baffled that this doesn’t have more views, excellent work through and through!
Weinstein also screwed up the American version of Arthur and the Minimoys.
57:15 this scene where Zeebad was referencing Star Trek in the US version caused me physical pain and i don’t know why
I watched Doogal every year on the anniversary of it's release in a tradition me and my friends call Doogal Day. This ost recent one was the eighth time I've done it and I've grown to unconditionally love the movie, as genuinely terrible as it is. Seeing this in my recommendations brought me great joy, and the video is great too.
The Butch section concerns me because I don’t know who’s more at fault for the movie being a flop. On the one hand, there’s Butch Hartman, a notorious liar. On the other hand, there’s Harvey Weinstein, a notorious monster. Everything Butch says sounds completely in-character for Weinstein, but it’s also in character for Butch to minimize his own roll in bad productions. I think he’s more responsible for the script than he’d like to admit, but I have no doubt in my mind that Weinstein was exactly as bad as he described. Like, who would lie about Harvey deliberately scheduling a meeting on the one day they’re not available? That’s too specific to have been fake, and it lines up with previous accounts of his weird power-play negotiations. Plus the rest of the actors sound like they hold more resentment towards Weinstein than the script, so I imagine that whatever happened in the recording process made the movie much worse.
my body is ready
This is a super fascinating video essay that I've gone way past my bedtime to finish. Fantastic work, that you should be very proud of.
Man I used to watch the American Doogal movie alllll the time when I was super duper young. It’s one of the only movies I’d ever want to watch; making my parents play it over and over again. I have little to no memory of the dialogue in the movie but I do remember my parents sometimes begging not to have to watch the movie again lol. Imagine how many more times I would have watched it if it was actually GOOD 😭
Cant believe you brushed over the terrifying sugar paradise nightmare sequence, it was actually traumatic as a 6 year old 💀
And here I was thinking that there wasn’t much to the story behind the making of the original 2005 movie!
Never thought it would involve the home of Wallace & Gromit & Shaun the Sheep!
Great research and
This is really well done!! Good work
This movie is one of my first memories as a child. Still feels like a fever dream, but I never knew the great amount of backstory behind it.
59:44 Plus ever since I saw the original version (which is from the UK), giving him the voice of a man just makes everything funnier. Now rather than seeming like a kids film that some adults may find funny (as the American version did), it seems like an adult film that kids could possibly enjoy.
this is top teir youtube documentary work
Man doogal is soooo awesome i especially love the seen where he says “its doogal time” and doogaled all over
Great Video, Daniel! It goes to show how corporations can interfere with someone else’s art. (By the way the Doogal trailer on the Hoodwinked DVD was my first introduction to The Magic Roundabout unfortunately)
Amazing, well researched video, was not expecting to learn so much about the actual people that developed the movie rather than just the US dub shenanigans.
As a british viewer, the original magic roundabout was… unhinged. There’s a common joke that the show was made under the influence of LSD and weed, the LSD idea coming from Dougal’s love of sugar cubes, and the idea of weed is perpetuated by the fact the character Dylan likes grass and acts stoned.
Also 14:18 CHECK THIS MANS HARD DRIVE.
15:12 btw canal+ is a pretty famous french TV channel. Think like SKY or FOX (ew).
I cant believe this video came out at this moment in time where I am currently writing about this movie for an essay HOLY CRAP SOURCES LETS GOOOO
this is a solid documentary on an obscure 00s kids film, surprised it doesn't have more likes.
Jimmyhere finally got his own documentary
it's a shame such talented people like Butch often squander every bit of goodness and artistry they once had, I just couldn't live with myself if I sold out, no matter how much money I'd be making.
Just woke up, missed the premiere but this'll be an interesting watch. If I remember correctly this is one of the shittiest animated films of all time with a strangely stacked voice cast
I remember watching this a lot as a kid on dvd. I always thought it was a weird movie but I enjoyed it
The 2005 movie wasn't the first time the franchise was brought to the United States, nor is Butch Hartman the only connection it has to Nickelodeon. Back around the early 80s, an American dub of the classic stop motion series was made as a segment on Pinwheel, Nickelodeon's very first show. ua-cam.com/video/G8G5_kXD3nQ/v-deo.htmlsi=rthJMeqBkAUYKYso
This is such an otherwise thorough examination and dive into the Americanization of Le Manège Enchanté - interviews included. That's why i can't get over these two things (like they threw me off so bad lmao) :
- The mispronunciation of Pollux? He's "Doogal", he's one of the OG work's biggest legacy. Was it pronounced here as "Polou" bc of the -oo in "Doogal"? Why was the -x treated as silent? 😭 i'm confused
- The mention of Canal+ just to basically handwave it away as some kind of enigma or irrelevant question mark. I think you should've either skipped the studio credits or actually looked into it... It's one of the - if not *the* - biggest French channels and studios. They used to be (not anymore imo, the direction they took is a whole conversation on its own) a huge deal when it comes to the distribution and access of foreign media in France
37:58 this song needs to be put on UA-cam
All i found was the instrumental
You'd think Weinstein would have known how to write a children's movie since he spent so much time around them...
What a video! Easily your best work. Brb, going to watch all of Borthwick's work while I watch Harvey Weinstein's conviction on an endless loop.
First Foodfight now Doogal! Lets go!!
THIS IS AN UNDERRATED GEM
I grew up with the butchered American version Doogal so hearing the characters speak in a different accent is very strange to me but interesting and far less painful than the american version.
Here's the thing about Butch: he's not trustworthy. In other words, I don't really believe him when he says they changed everything he did. He has a habit of blaming other people anytime something he's responsible for or has a hand in flops. And he's a notorious liar at this point.
In other words, I 100% think they used his script.
Given that Harvey Weinstein had previously done pretty much the exact same thing to another animated movie (The Thief and the Cobbler) without Butch's involvement, I think Butch is telling the truth.
You also really can't blame them for using Stewart. He was at the top of his popularity at the time, arguably the biggest late night comic in the country. Same goes for Fallon, who was also a big name. And Goldberg had done voice acting before in The Lion King, among other things.
When I say “I got that dawg in me” this is what I mean
6:48 i love this song!!
This better blow up
Doogal has been one of my special interests since I was like 6, I think I've seen the American Doogal movie over 200 times LMAO got this vid in my recs
If this video doesn't deserve a subscription, I don't know what does.
So it's time, eh?
I beleive Tad Safrans name is pronounced Tad Sa-fron, not Tad Sa-fren, other than that this is a really good video
Great video!
such a well made video
I was a REALLY young kid seeing the butchered US release of Doogal and I wonder if it being so in your face and unsure pop culture references really turned me off to it as a kid, even with owning the DVD and a Mcdonalds toy from the movie. Watching this video is curing the knowledge that at least I wasn't fever dreaming this terrible cut but slightly wishing my parents got a copy of the UK release (as an American). I feel like I've only seen it fully twice not counting either falling asleep during it or turning it off mid movie to put on something else cause that Star Trek convention comment REALLY threw me off as I'm watching this video. Like who's kid is gonna understand that reference unless they grew up with Star Trek, which I didn't so it was lost to me along with the other pop culture references.
I avoided this movie as a kid because I didn't realize this was a dub and just wanted to see Hoodwinked 2. Then Hoodwinked 2 came out years later and in a terrible state...
Bravo, Daniel, bravo!
4:57-5:08 She wants them to be blue da ba de da ba dai.
i remember seeing doogal back in 2007 it's a decent movie an interesting voice cast: chevy chase has a unique voice as the locomotive, Jon stewart is great as the Villain(they save the movie) i give it a 6/10 could be better definitely not the worst not sure why people hate on it and make fun on how supposedly terrible it is
I see Questor: A promising idea ground into hamburger meat by the powers that be.
Here before this blows up
The magic roundabout isnt the first movie that got trashed by harvey weinstein. Winstein did the same thing with The Thief and the Cobbler.
it is time
Butch Hartmen
This should be a bigger hit
LETS GO DANIELLLLLLLLLLL
I'm only now learning they threw away Butch's script, like wow, a TV writer's standards were too high for Weinstein apparently...
Hartman's version probably wasn't much better anyways, still a horrific outcome though..
The biggest question that was never answered.
Why is Andy's Skype account called "Monica"?
58:18 brainrot
LET'S GOOOOOOO!