Are Silent Sticks ACTUALLY Silent?
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- Опубліковано 22 січ 2021
- I kept seeing advertisements about these sticks over and over again, so I bought a pair. This video will show in detail if they are any good or not.
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I find air drumming to be the most quiet way to practise.
Facts
Vr drums would be cool
Lol! Phil Collins fill for the win!
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I don't have drums or even sticks I use wooden sticks that people use to eat noodles as sticks and It's really good,I can play infant annihilator 👍👍👍🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂
it’s like putting a suppressor on an RPG
Do you practice your rocket propelled grenade at home?
@@renlin8925 I get what he means, you go from 110 dB to 97 dB. Which is not as loud, but still too loud…
@@rubenserhalawan571 A 10dB reduction is 50% quieter.
I just bought the e-sticks this week and I had the same feelings. Especially on mesh heads, it just doesn't bounce the way you would want so it feels like you have to single stroke everything so snare rolls feel really awkward. Like you said I'll use it as a last resort. (Cue Papa Roach)
Look up Lidwishsoulutions.com
You’ll have a much different experience with the drumstick I’m the original inventor and maker of the stick they put a double loop on the stick which makes it work the way you’re seeing it along with the foam handle my stick is thin but it’s a solid stick it has a rubber handle and it has one loop and a tension rod so it gives you a strike just like a drumstick one single shot singles doubles buzz rolls everything like a drumstick anyways if you want to check out the original model it works much different than that one I put a link there for you
Lidwishsoulutions.com
silent drum sticks with a silent drum set? where are you from, "A Quiet Place"?
Was getting ready to consider a purchase; glad I watched this; pretty thorough roundup.
Great video. Really looking forward to that beater review video. My kick has always seemed so loud, it's like I can hear the beater hit the sensor more than what's in my headphones.
Ty so much for posting this!
I think you confirmed what I’d been wondering about these sticks. Thank you.
What is it? That silent sticks are silent?
Thanks Justin very informative as always and the Db reading on a split screen looks great. For new kits, new mesh heads and new cymbals could you please try a large LED Db meter on the wall behind you, like is used on The Pedal Show and have it always on. Easy for the views to see and less editing for you.
Hi, thanks for the review.
I just stumbled over your channel a few days ago actually and enjoyed the history of e-drums series, that was really awesome done. Keep up the good work!
We do have a heavier and firmer version of the silent sticks, our regular version the SSX (thick). The edrum version has the light, soft grip, which we also described. You probably would like the SSX more with its firmer grip and extra weight. But then again, you said you don't need nor want to play less loud, so why bother...
Please note, we do not advertise the silent sticks as alternative to wood sticks. But if you have no choice but to reduce volume, these are saving your neck, as you shown, no other solution plays like a stick and reduces the volume that much; so you can master really low volume situations. And litter your drum rug less ;)
Anyhow... this is an edrum channel, so i get that you do not see the need to play less loud with a modern meshhead edrum. The silent sticks are aimed for acoustic drums, the edrum version is a sticks to reduce rubber pad thwack. We have then the silent-e-stick aimed at loud cymbal and tom pads.
Looking forward to the kick video!
This is a great review. I have these sticks & my assessment is the same as yours.
The successful role they have, at least for me, is when I have to practice eDrums in a small apartment, and striking/impact noise control becomes a very high priority - not just for your neighbors, but also for other people you are in the apartment with. I simply adjust the sensitivity as you pointed out, and the sound in my headphones remains even vs traditional sticks. The noise reduction is noticeable.
The “light feel” issues you mentioned are all spot on. If you, for some reason, played a lot with these sticks, your feel would be altered. Regular 5A sticks feel like 2B after playing with the these sticks.
BTW - according to the company, they are mostly targeted, I believe, to acoustic drum situations where the venue is quite small & you don’t want to be behind a drum shield.
For the extreme situations I need them for (eDrums in small apartments for a few days at a time), the Adoro sticks serve their purpose.
I will be interested in your evaluation of low noise kick beaters. On eDrums, I’ve tried a number of them, and have surprisingly found the KAT low noise beater to be more effective than I thought. Once again, you adjust the sensitivity of the kick pad to accommodate the lower striking force. One interesting by product is that on eDrum kick pads, I got less retriggering hits with the low noise beaters. I think this is because they are softer & kind of bounce off eDrum kick pads/heads the same way regular beaters bounce of acoustic kick heads.
Your channel & videos/reviews are awesome. Many thanks & keep up the great work!!
Great as always !
Have you ever consider doing a video about the company MEDELI or specifically their cymbals? It seems like there in a very unique and interesting position on the edrum world.
Also , what about a versus video between atv exs5 and the roland td17kvx/ alesis strike pro se?
Just some ideas, keep up the good work ;)
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Thanks for the video. Really helpful. I think the tone of the snare completely disappeared with the silent stick also 😊
I play 2Bs on e-drums so they're a non-starter for me. Practically speaking though, how long are these gonna last with rim shots and edge hits on cymbals?
Wow super quiet on electronics! Good for apartment playing... Please include mesh head test in your upcoming kick beater review! :)
I always include a mesh head test in every video :)
Watching this video while me and my family fight corona virus send some love my way I still gotta lot of playing to do yet !!!!
Great video man!
Do have any recommendations for budget electronic snare
A used Roland PDX12. If you need somthing even cheaper, Simmons and Alesis sell mesh pads separately.
Hi Justin
I just watched this video again.
I picked up a pair of Hot Rods.
I wasn't sure but is it a good idea to use the on mesh heads?
I have been using the standard version on acoustic drums for the last year with GREAT results. There was a learning curve to get the feel but I can playing with much more energy while maintaining volume control. Cymbals sound way better than when using rods. I also tune my snare lower and they provide a nice punchy sound. I play through an EAD for monitoring and to send signal to FOH. Silent Sticks have been a life changer for me. I get comments all the time about how good the drums sound and the FOH team appreciate the control. IMO, this was not a great in depth review of the product. The snare sounded terrible no matter what implement was being used. There are other videos that show how great these can sound. My first hand experience and the recordings I’ve made tell a far different story.
Great review! They will sell a bunch of these........once!
Hey Justin. Have you ever demo'ed Gewa kits? I was watching Eric Moore tear ass on them and if they're good enough for him... surely they are fierce competition for Roland's TD50 line?
Cool idea. If they can perhaps make them heavier it could be an option. Right now I'm imagining playing blast beats with chopsticks and having a good laugh.
Interested in the silent beaters though.
The SSX (silent sticks thickX-grip) is heavier indeed. Also has a firmer grip and harder tip for more presence on cymbals.
I like to drum with those paper rolls that come on the hangers from dry cleaners
I bought two of the regular pairs (they say it has the grip thickness of 5B - not so sure about that). I thought they may be helpful in the rehearsal studio because it's usually the drums that determine the volume of everything else in the studio. I use Vic Firth 5BNs when I gig so I have no intention of gigging with them. I am NOT a heavy hitter and never really rimshot but I was concerned after one rehearsal that they wouldn't last long, they looked pretty roughed up. By the 3rd rehearsal, one of the sticks (right hand so the one that was hitting most cymbals) was completely shattered.
Yikes. Sorry to hear they busted on you, but thanks for letting the rest of us learn from your experience!
Good idea for a video.
I’ve bought the e-drum version and the thickX.
They are very light and much more silent than the regular ones. There is no discussion about that.
But they have less rebound than my regular drumsticks and they also transfer much more energy to my hand than the regular ones, causing discomfort after some minutes, something that I don’t feel with my regular drumsticks.
I welcome the idea, I just feel the implementation isn’t there yet.
I feel like Atmosphere would actually chop those whispered whisker drum samples and make really dope beats outta it
Hi there. I'm writing because I saw in some old video of yours that you hate the sound of hitting a edrum pad. Who likes it right?!
But in my case I find that it really takes so much of joy of playing. Can't stop hearing the hits while playing. The hi-hat is 90% of the problem. It is close to you and you're hitting it so much...
How can't someone come up with a "quiet" cymbal?
So, my question to you:
How loud are your headphones? How do you abstract yourself from that "noise"?
Thanks
I wonder how well the rubber sticks of field work
Silent Sticks feels odd because they are a bit light, if anyone has them try adding some metal rings or tubing of the same or slightly smaller circumference of the silent sticks to get a snug fit place enough rings or tubing to get the same weight or almost the same weight as a normal wooded stick but remember the metal rings or tubing must be placed in the proper positions to get a well-balanced stick. These sticks are great for apartment playing, love to read your comments if it's feasible.
Hi, Justin! Thanks a lot for this video. I was considering getting a pair of silent sticks after getting the Drum-Tec Real Feel mesh head. The 14" version is a bit louder than I thought. While this video helped me out in making the decision, I want to share that it reminded me that I had a pair of Kuppmen carbon fiber 5B rods stuck somewhere. I just never thought to use them on a mesh head. This is a fantastic combination. The pads are finally so quiet that I hear only the module sounds in my open headphones.
And I like the feel more than that of an actual drumstick.
Won't bundle rods be bad for mesh heads?
Justin, in the 80s there was a product called Wamrods. They were made for playing on Simmons pads. They were one piece acrylic in the shape of a 2B stick. They came in different colors and were cool. I haven't found anything online on them, but you might. Let me know what you find.
This is all that I could find from a drummerworld comment: "There are a few reasons the sticks weren't successful... First, some of the sticks just didn't feel like wood, which should have been the goal. Veri-Sonic was a hollow metal tube, Duratech a hollow plastic tube, and Ahead a mix of both in a tube. One was simply too stiff (Trick carbon-fiber) and another too flexible (WamRod, although in its defense, it was made to be used on the original Simmons pads for a less stiff feel.) In most cases, the sticks also didn't deliver the inferred selling point of outlasting wood, not by much anyway. Prices were too high, and drummers didn't use them for long."
Another stick from 1984 was the Polybeat. It was made for electronic drum pads and you can read about it in The Complete Simmons Drum Guide
Thanks. Too bad wamrods aren't around anymore. Would have bought a pair. What would you recommend for rubber pads and/or mesh?
@@martymoose32 just regular sticks are fine. I usually buy Vics.
@@martymoose32 also too bad Simmons isn't the same company as the one in the 80s. I bought a Simmons electronic kit in the early 2000s and it was basically trashy Casio-keyboard-like sounds crammed into a box with very unresponsive pads. Then I learned they were bought out, changed all their electronics, but of course kept the name. Once the rim hits all triggered the left cymbal I got rid of it, but not too terrible for a sub $400 kit that I learned how to drum on for a few years.
Also, I recommend nylon tips for mesh/rubber heads. Wood tips will eventually break down and splinter, especially if you play a regular kit as well.
How is the durability? I play basicly every backbeat a rimshot, so I go through sticks relativly fast
Sorry, 3 years late😅 but the durability is absolutely terrible. The nylon falls out of the stick after a little while of light usage.
Hey Justin
awesome video really appreciate you being honest
as always
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I completely get it if you just haven’t had time to answer it
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Try to do a press roll with those...
Hello Justin - greetings from Warsaw, I wish you a lot of health in these hard times, I love your films. As for the topic: I think the most important thing is to learn to play very quietly with normal sticks that are used for playing on a daily basis. This is a very hard exercise, but it has many benefits.
This sure is true. But the logic is failing me: when the sticks are significantly less loud, won‘t they also be when you play low volume? It won‘t cancel each other out, right? To see how many drummers suggest to ‚simply play less loud‘ makes me wonder. Would you not change sticks at all for playing less loud, or just not that one?
How are they on a plastic rockband kit?
They seem nice for e-drums if you don't care for the weight but I'm fearing my drum kit might not detect the hits because of how light they are (idk, sometimes my snare fails to detect my hits if I don't hit firmly)
most sets can adjust the sensibility. Benefit from these sticks, less cross talk too.
In all the links you provide, where the link to the sticks?
I'll never forget the sound of a good ol ZBT ride
PST5>ZBT>B8
@@markomarkovic5729 I don't have any personal experience with the pst5 line, but yes, no kid deserves a B8
uhhhh this is a Sabian B8 ride in the video
@@Elboy522 Paiste is the king of b8 alloy cymbals. Every beginner/intermediate Paiste cymbal I came across sounded better than the Zildjian/Sabian counterpart. The famous Alpha (formerly known as the 802) is probably the best intermediate series of cymbals on the market, too bad they were withdrawn from production. I forgot that Justin loves Sabian. I remember that he was one of the few who preferred the B8 over the good old PST series😀
Can they play press rolls?
I'll stick with bundle rod, good video nonetheless!
'hmmm, good feel for how the other ones feel'
Are ueue in queue silent ?
Although it was made in Germany, the design isn’t that complicated😂😂😂
I got a pair (the beater too) and...I'm not a fan either. I'll stick with my DrumTec Real Feel mesh heads, L80's and real nylon tipped drum sticks.
Interesting. I wonder how they will hold up on metal cymbals especially crashing etc.
That's a good question, but I can't bring myself to use these everyday for 6 months in order to find out.
@@65Drums lol. Yeah. Seems the shaft made of plastic or glass or whatever may not be too forgiving... Who knows.
Not much different in dB but they produce a much more muted sound
Does it trigger well with e-drums?
I mentioned in the second half of the video that you have to turn up the sensitivity of your drum pads. I found that my electronic drum set didn't always pick up every single hit correctly unless I did that.
FIRST!!! Great content!
Did you really have to say first tho?
@@bren.. ik it’s cringe lmao 😂
why is it almost the same volume as a silenced pistol
I just want to ask, what would be the purpose of these drumsticks? Just curious.
If you want it quiet I guess.
I'm afraid my dog-eared neighbor above me, who can hear me softly walking, will hear these sticks even on a PD706 MIDI drum.
How quiet are they on mesh heads?
I demonstrated that in the video watch the whole thing 👍
2:52 its almost like asmr
How is the rebound compared to a normal drumstick?
The version I have is the E-drum version, and is designed to have less rebound compared to the regular version. So it doesn't have that much rebound
Bruh why am I here, I don’t even play the drums?!??
Then learn drums I'm not letting u leave this😂
do you admire drums at least?
so this is the ultimate thing to get if u are in an apartment and practice at night on practice pads
man, that’s one loud practice pad
Is there a link for the product?
Nope, but you can search google for silent sticks. It come right up
No, but their tips actually shatter. The 1st stick to do this sent strands of the tip flying across the room in a really spectacular arc.
Don't waste your money.
They're probably light as a feather I dont like light sticks
This article kinda missed the point: if you do not have to reduce volume, what is the point of using silent sticks?! Of course you sacrifice something in order to play that low volume. But at least you neither have to build a full enclosure or get mesh heads and silent cymbals. And if you play those and still are too loud, you can still be up to 80% less loud if needed.
This item is a „how to make drums less loud“ solution, and as such they work way better, last longer and cost less than rods. You do not need them? Great, do not buy them.
@@adorodrums someone’s a little butthurt
@@karmyarmy9237 nope, not at all. The video is great, it illustrates perfectly how silent the silent sticks are. I am just surprised it was reviewed as alternative for regular sticks, which they are not. They are a substitute for rods, enclosure, or even e-drums if you contemplated playing those to control volume. The silent-e-sticks are not market as perfect edrum stick, but as solution to significantly reduce the thwack on pads. Your drums and e-drums are not too loud? We do not recommend to use silent sticks then. Regular sticks are just fine if volume does not matter.
@@adorodrums dude you just wrote an essay about not being butthurt
@@karmyarmy9237 if you knew me, you knew that I write lengthly essaysabout everything :) Call it butthurt, if you like. I just wanted to clarify that the silent sticks are for those moments when you have to play less loud.
FWIW - I think it comes down to the *weight* - this is a huge part of the playing experience. Perhaps if they made them with a metal rod straight down the middle with the plastic *injection-moulded* around the rod it would feel/play better. Also, I'm not sold on the durability of these sticks. If they could get these things right, I'd probably buy them
roughly 80% of our customers report that the sticks last a year or longer of regular play. Sure we have those who break the sticks in minutes of playing, if they can be trusted, but the polycarbonate shaft is pretty durable, and the tips are indestructable. Having silent sticks that outlive rods 2-4 times is pretty good we think. Plus, the fact that silent sticks last that long cost us a potential investor who backed up bc he thought the marked would too soon be quenched bc the sticks cannot be destroyed. lol. drummers can break them, but he was not convinced...
My next suggested video is by 66samus. Well done youtube.
For $30 I could buy the AHEAD sticks and get more use out of them
I have a pair from some guy in Hawaii. They were expensive and they suck! Oh and the beater is worthless!!!
The silent beater looks interesting because it's so small. Is that just me?
It's incredibly tiny. I'm going to film some tests with it today
I tested both, the silent sticks and the silent beater. Glad to pay just 20€ for the sticks. I agree with Justin. They don‘t feel good to me. Same with the silent beater.
I really like these sticks. Can't stand the sound of the silent cymbals and mesh heads. These sticks keep the nice sound of your drum but quiet
Drums 65 I’m answering your question are my drumsticks more silent. I invented and have a patent for a stick on the website that I gave you a link to that was a quiet stick a Adoro drums . Was actually a vendor of mine like 89 years ago we know each other I’m selling his product as well he makes really good drums but his concept is totally different than mine you noticed that the nylon was quite flexible so the velocity of the strike is absorbed by that flexibility. My stick is thin but it has a thin layer of shrink wrap to keep it as one solid stick. I’m actually going back to the old handle that I have for heavier and heavier and it’s very hard on the handle and it’s almost the same diameter as a drumstick but I’m not coming out with that yet. The stick that I have is all based on working just like a drumstick it has a rigid semi flexibility so it’s like a spring it’s coiled it rebounds off the head extremely fast and you can do buzz rolls with it.It was never about lowering the volume . It was all about replicating the dynamics of a drumstick on your kit and being able to practice your hands your dynamics on your actual drum kit they were made for practice I never made them really to play out at churches or gigs you can if you make up the kit. They were made so that all the money that you spend on your drum kit and your expensive symbols could be put to use I actually use electronic drum kit so that I can get wood stick work in. I’m going to be doing a podcast explaining the product and what it’s all about and how to best use it anyways the rod that’s in the loop on my sticks is a tension rod as the loop is also very loaded with tension and that’s a plastic that’s made just for me you’ll never find that anywhere in the world and I’m the inventor of that model of low volume kick beater . I have two models in the principle is just that what you saw is wait I have a shorter stick that has a longer tip so it flexes a little bit more absorbing the strike of velocity and then I have a regular stick that plays a little bit louder. The drumstick was made not to replace a wooden stick to be quieter it was to give you a drumstick to practice on your drum kit so that you can use the same techniques transcript German grip American molar grip whatever type technique that you could use those on your drum kit and so it is very light but if you’re just working with your hand technique what’s the difference on what’s in your hand you’re working with your hand techniques and because it’s a very light stick it makes very low volume that’s how the low-volume thing came about but the stick is all about dynamics mine and it rebounds different than the silent stick I’ll say that and it actually plays a little bit quieter if you choose to use the dynamics to do that
808 214 3348 Lazaro. Hey give me a ring I live in Hawaii and Maui and if we talk I’ll actually send you a pair free but you Gotta call me we got to talk show you some stuff over the phone on the kit that I use at home every day all right Aloha
I'll stick with Vater 5AN.
i have no interest in silent sticks, I watched the video nonetheless
I would love a way make my electronic drums even quieter (especially the cymbals) but not at the expense of playability.
Seems to knock off about ten decibels.
It's all fine and dandy until you hit the kick
Very true, thankfully there are quiet kick drum beaters that help with that a little bit. At the end of the day, there's always going to be a compromise somewhere. Usually to the feel of the sticks or the drum beater.
15db reduction
Bro I play with the normal sticks he’s ysing
Silent sticks stocks just tanked
Nope. It is funny, when we claim silent sticks are up to 10dB less loud than regular sticks, no one really believes it is true, read the comments on our videos. But here, people really believe that we are less loud, maybe just too light. This means we might have less customers expecting miracles - a stick of size and weight of wood sticks with 80% volume reduction (though we do have such a stick on fact - volume reduction comes mainly by the flexible tip, not the reduced weight. But most drummers instinctively play harder and louder with heavier sticks...)
We are thankful for this video. We understand that the reviewer missed the point - why play less loud when nobody is complaining?! We do not suggest buying them to replace wood sticks. But when you use rods to bring down drum volume, and just end up littering up your drum rug, give silent sticks a try, they do reduce volume, way more than rods, and most drummers find them more enjoyable to play than rods.
It sounds worse or really cheap so quieter but more irritating. Sounds like an expert turning into an amateur
These sound gross, probably feel cheapy, and I dont see the point in practicing with these. Just play with brushes if you want to be quiet, or practice on a pad
Jesus loves you!!!!
Not very good these quiet stick in my opinion
Ruins the sound of the drum tho
In conclusion, use brushes
Glad I watched this and didn't buy these they sound gross and not quite enough
As a retired professional drummer and instructor, these are just another gimmick imo. When a person plays with sticks way lighter than their normal sticks, they actually go backward in muscle memory, growth, elasticity and training. On a molecular level, your muscles will take a hit and stop utilizing the proteins and amino acids in your blood at the same rate with a 'normal' drum stick. Just use sticks, buy some sounds offs or make your own and if that's too loud, well play the flute instead....hahahaha...
searching the web, I found an application for these sticks....ua-cam.com/video/RMYIMJxiRJ0/v-deo.html
Sounds like a fad.
Yup
so basically garbage gotcha