FRAS vs 3A Armor & Ceramic Plates | Safe Life Defense | Flexible Rifle Armor System
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- Comparing FRAS with traditional level 4 ceramic plates backed by a soft armor "bulletproof vest".
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I'm searching for it's performance in cold weather, will definitely check links below.
The big question I see people ask that is never answered is the ceramic hexagons. People worry about the adhesive used and the hexagons shifting etc over time from exposure to heat and the elements. How long does it take for the rifle protection of FRAS to degrade from the elements?
This should help but I'm not too sure, I'm not an expert ua-cam.com/video/rqs7ffNVwfk/v-deo.html
I got 3a+ in conjunction with plates and side soft armor I love it the weight is really manageable and I put 12 hours shift with it and it doesn’t make me feel super tired or sore I love it
Thanks, Tommy. When this was first announced, I was curious about the kinetic energy dispersion since it has more flex than a plate. So I thought you would feel it more.
Honestly the biggest selling point for me is the coverage area. Military research has shown the most common fatal injury in those wearing body armor at shots that make it in the side or up under your armpit. Let's face it, the real world scenario where you're truly square to the bag guy is rare at best so the flank protection is important
Dude I always wear xl FRAS. Medium is a joke.
Im a small guy so a medium gives me full coverage and I can pair it with a hard plate medium as well and still get a good bit of coverage
I really like the FRAS, but I need to hit the gym before buying one....
good idea fat boy
@@gummybear41283 the other way around. I'm 150lb soak and wet. I need to build up more strength to carry that kind of weight long term.
@@marshallpaul608 oh
Marshall Paul I’m 135 soaked, granted that’s a lean 135 pounds lol. I just can’t seem to put on any weight for nothin. I lift and move a lot of heavy product up to 170 pounds throughout the day at work so it’s not like I’m a couch potato or Anything. You got any tips or maybe a channel on here I could watch for tips on this?
@@claytonatkinson865 Take this video with a grain of salt obviously, but this has been moderately successful with me so far.
ua-cam.com/video/gJio0lPysF8/v-deo.html
Thanks Tommy. Also thanks for emailing me back on the size vest I should get.
Great rundown. I didn't realize FRAS could deal with M855; that's really impressive. Really seems like hands-down the best system out there...if it weren't nearly twice as expensive as the other option it'd be a no-brainer!
Hopefully with volume the price will come down dramatically.
Lucky I have the disposable income for it. Not a whole lit of use for it... yet. I'll just go with their 3a+ for now
Just purchased a Level 3a, Safe Life Defense is the BEST armor vest that I have ever seen and used, I recommend SAFE LIFE DEFENSE to anyone and everyone looking for Armor Protection!!!
Personally I think an ideal setup would be the FRAS as normal daily wear, with an external carrier with level 4 plates ready to go in the car for active shooter situations. My only question is how well does FRAS by itself hold up to spike threats?
Yugophoto I just want to clarify the setup. You go with the FRAS on daily patrols but keep a plate carrier sized big enough to go over you and the FRAS, yes? I have to say it's interesting to think about and may be quicker than taking off the FRAS, putting in plates and putting it back on. But the other side to that coin is that there's possibility that it can shift and even ride up your body altering the safe hit box and exposing organs. I don't really know. But it's a sound idea.
@@colt.452zigzags3 no the FRAS carrier includes a pocket for a plate. So you have the FRAS Panel with a plate infront of it. So you have lvl IV protection
Why would you need level 4 plates on top of your FRAS? You only need the concealable FRAS vest and you’re good to go to face an active assailant with proper tactics.
@@colt.452zigzags3 why would you get rilfe plates fras is level 3 not 3a
I think the 3A plus is plenty enough until you come up against rifles so they both have their place. As far as looks, that issue went away with all of the nationwide riots after the Geroge Floyd murder in the summer of 2020. The explanation is the key to a threat level you need because you still have to be tactical and move to avoid being hit in the 1st place and the use of cover.
Wears rifle flex armor while sitting at home playing COD.....
Have you read about the rash of "SWATing" incidents lately? Not as crazy as it sounds...
What if i put the FRAS and a level 4 plate in the same vest what is my level of protection now?
Lvl IV
Level 7 for sure
@@Wilkuris a guy made a video on it it stops a 50 BMG
@@defaultzenabled4261 I saw. It would still kill you lol
@@Wilkuris oh yeah every organ would explode on that impact haha but its good to know it can stop everything
Damn... price tag has gone up within 7 months of this video to over 2k.. but its definitely badass armor.. similar to the Dragon Skin the US government banned from civilian purchase.. I will definitely buy!
Good luck...not only has the price gone up but apparently they don’t even have it. It’s unreliably back ordered. Lead time just keeps getting pushed further and further along. Ordered mine in September
Great development, but .308 is still a very common round in the US... and much of the world (7.62x51). Hopefully they'll upgrade protection with the same or less weight and thickness, and get NIJ certified when the .07 standard is finalized.
It will stop 308 they just dont guarantee it
I think going soft armor but having another external vest with the level 4 being accessible if needed with next to me in the passenger seat or trunk that way if the situation calls for it I can just thro that on for added protection
Dragonskin
caner canbir dragonskin was silicon carbide disks layered over each other and laminated in Kevlar. This is....just guessing here... uhmwpe disks laminated in Kevlar.
not available i believe
Ty.
Can't wait to get my hyperline with fras plates
I’m a bit concerned about the weight of the FRAS system. I can buy 2 Duritium III+PA Body Armor Plates for front and back and they only weight 2.7 pounds per plate and they’re each only 0.7 inches thick. No side protection, but the total weight is only 5.4 pounds. I could add 2 side plates to the Duritium front and back plates and the entire system would still be under 10 pounds total. Not to mention the Duritium front and back only being 0.7” thick. The FRAS definitely looks for comfortable.
My other concern is that the FRAS only has a 5 year warranty whereas the Duritium plated have a 15 year warranty. The Duritium plates also withstand constant temps 250 degrees Fahrenheit. Does anyone what the temperature tolerance is for the FRAS armor? If they are stored in a hot vehicle will they be damaged?
Just trying to see how the fas looks on and under cloths
A lot of people say the FRAS is a heavy system, but when compared to anything except the ultra lightweight plates that run a cool grand each, the FRAS is either on par or lighter. And to compare the FRAS to a Level 4 plate with soft backer is not a real good comparison. Id say a Lvl 3+ plate would be equal playing field.
What kind of protection does the level 4 plates, without a 3A backer offer?
Only one if there vests is NIJ certified IIIa+. The rest are not certified.
I have tested the FRAS armor. It does NOT stop M855 I have a video I will be posting soon to show this. It also failed against 12ga Buck shot.
IndigoAurora yes.
IndigoAurora I mean It is still pretty effective I just wouldn’t claim it to be rifle rated. I put it somewhere between 3a+ and 4 NJI levels.
Nathan Adams it has to stop 7.62x39 and 7.62x51AP to be rated for NIJ lvl 3 so it's going to be lower than that but higher than iiia
IndigoAurora im with you. Let's see the video, link it. No video then it didn't happen. And frankly Free Field Training already did a torture test of it so......yeah, sounds to me like you(Nathan Adams) trying to gain some sort of clout.
@@colt.452zigzags3 Yeah, also the people who currently own them and showcase them in videos are the youtubers who have contracts with safelife.
Even if you were to have ordered it the day it came out, no one could have gotten it yet as the shipping takes 8-10 weeks.
How about a real field test of the FRAS WITH the LVL 4 plates? .50? Barret .460?
Spot on Tommy
So weird...the ad before the video...was...this...VIDEO! Am I trippin?
the problem, even now is COST....That is why i'll stick to 550 Steel over 3Aplus.
Your life. If it's only worth steel then run it. Risk vs cost ratio.
would be interesting if they gone the path of medieval brigantine: have large solid plate over your ribs, but smaller then average size (basically swimmers cut), and those flexible tiles around it, to protect everything else. Thus such armor would be able to provide better rifle protection for the vital organs, and possibly, cost less as the production of solid plates seems to be cheaper. Another possible advantage: if solid plate is replaceable, it can be swapped for much cheaper, in case of center mass hit.
I would assume that the FRAS still stops everything the 3A+ stops as well right? Such as the police 5.7x28 rounds, the 50grain civil defense rounds 12 gauge armor penetration rounds and such. And still taser and spike/stab proof.
I did not test that. However... 9mm and 44 mag rounds were stopped on the surface of FRAS so I can't imagine those lesser threats making it through. We may have to test those all in the future for shits and giggles though.
That’s what I was thinking. Thanks for the reply!!!
You can watch the testing video here: ua-cam.com/video/7qL8s_DpUDc/v-deo.html behind the ceramic is essentially a Dynema based vest. I'll add that to the list though to make sure.
Today was told by safeline they haven’t tested against M855A1 yet.
I wounder is it possible to combine two approaches, similar to large plate brigandine. Basically have III level swimmers cut in front and on the back, and cover with tiles everything AROUND it. What will be achieved is better protection of vital organs and less use of expensive tiles. So theoretically, it would be possible to make a cheaper vest with better protection and only slightly reduced mobility.
Maybe do a K9 level 3-3A+ body armor test?
I don't see many K9 dog armor show cases!
Whoa... I went to watch this video and an ad started playing and it was the same guy as in the thumbnail. Watched a bit of the ad and skipped to the video... it was the same video! Like exactly the same video as the one I clicked on. Figured you guys should know your ads are going to the wrong places. Might save you some money for running ads. Idk.
What would you recommend for an Alaskan state troopers or DNR officers ? Them guys are up against high powered hunting rifles all day long.
standing behind the guy that has the same rig as you do.
Can level IV plates be added to the Fras vest?
It looks like it can, the carrier is the same as the 3a one. It's just the ballistic panels that are different.
Questions for anyone who might know. Does the soft armor rifle protected carrier allow an option to add front and back plates into it?
Yes, the concealment carrier you see in this video has a front and back pocket for plates on both the standard 3A and the FRAS. Ive been trying to tell them to add an "ultimate protection pqckage" that is fras with a front and back level 4 plate but to no evail. You can order them as separate components and put them together that way though.
free field training thats what I wanted to hear. Ultimate package sounds like something I would buy. Already having the defense from a .223 but then stacking those plates on it to deny any penetration of 30 caliber rounds sounds like some serious defense
I would be interested in FRAS with plates too. I was already looking at fras and it says there’s slots for plates online.
Yep, it'll work, and it'll stop basically anything. It won't be light of course...
@@huntercook6605 what you said. FRAS is already ready for any job.
How does it compare to armor 500 hybrid. I were a large size. How is the ml size.
Can you throw a thin plate in the front of the fras?
Great looking vest. Can FRAS stop AR15 rounds
ua-cam.com/video/7qL8s_DpUDc/v-deo.html
In the video he says clearly that it stops the common 5.56 rounds. If you're not aware that that's the typical round used in the AR-15, you probably need to acquire a better basic knowledge of this subject if it's something you care about.
Didn't Kentucky Ballistics shoot the FRAS with a 30-06 AP round and it stopped it?
Hello, did the vest IIIA can protect from knives ?
No, but 3A+ stops stabs
Which armor would you recommend for an armed security officer in a dispensary?
IIIA concealable would be best IMO. More coverage and thiefs uuaually carry pistols for surprise attacks and robberies. Usually.
@@Spazzycat14 thank you for the information
@@budda8310 No problem. Worked armed security for a while myself.
@@sunnydeng9263 thank you for the info, I'll definitely look into getting some
You're looking at the FRAS so just get the FRAS. I say that because frankly yes most crime is committed with a handgun. But you get the occasional goon with pistol classified ARs and Aks which are more concealable than a full length rifle but packs nearly all the punch. The only thing I don't like about the FRAS is it's lack of NIJ certification as level III or III+ to stop .308 and 7.62x51 rounds. You can get Lvl III+ steel plates to put in. But unless they are multi-curve they will cause the armor to print in clothes.
Did safelife buy out the now defunct dragon skin?
I wonder that too
What caliber will be stopped if you double up FRAS with lvl 3 plates?
Wow , as you guys know every UA-cam video u click on there is one mint commercial , so I clicked on this video to watch it , guess what was the commercial ? Lol the same video
Did the level 3 safelife have side protection ?
Does the fraz take armor plates?
First second last doesn’t matter what i am. Tommy your vids are awesome and informative
How to buy FARAS body armor in Pakistan
Ask your allah.
how does the tile pack hold up to daily wear? That's the only thing holding up my purchase, because if it falls apart after a few months because the tiles came off the backer than it's a waste of money and it might happen in a way that only gets notice when I'm dead from a .556.
According to the engineer who designed it the industrial adhesive used should last beyond the warranty period of the vest. I am currently wearing one every day at work as a test as well. When I took the vest apart I found the tiles and under them branded dynema, lots of layers of branded dynema. I figure worst case scenario, even if the plates desalination and fall off I am wearing a dynema vest.
My concern is if you are rolling on the ground fighting. Will the ceramic hold up to that kind of abuse?
Could you do a ammo review for best Duty ammo
Me, there's lots of other great channels out there that do a better job at that than I ever could. They have backyard ranges and stuff. Check-out tnoutdoors for those types of reviews.
@@freefieldtraining im new to pistols and ammo on this type of caliber use to hunting. Not for work
I think the real question is: Can you put a rifle plate in the front of the FRAS and stop .50 BMG?
Yes. But a sledge hammer to the heart is still as deadly as a stake to the heart.
@@-R.E.D.A.C.T.E.D- Trauma is a minor detail. We'll work that out later.
@@michaeldesanta977 yes, the mortician will address it. Perhaps even the embalmer if that's your wish.
I'm a surgeon, and I'm telling you that you'll definitely die from the blunt force trauma.
It’s pay every 2 weeks for 6weeks
NIJ certified?
not currently
For same caliber,a faster bullet and a heavier bullet,which with penetrate more？
That depends on the medium you are penetrating and the construction of the bullet, both materials and design.
so with the same design(like APCR?),the quality(my understanding is that a bad constructed bullet will more likely to fail when impact?) of the bullet also affect the performance of the bullet?(I am new to this category,so don't punch me if I asked silly question)
@@Type09V Assuming that both bullets were the same material and size (Not possible in the real world) if they both impacted the target with the same amount of energy behind them then they would both penetrate the same amount. The quality of the bullet generally only affects how precise it is, it's unlikely that the quality would matter too much for penetration unless the bullet was of a hilariously low quality. Although in a similar vein to what your thinking, stronger materials that flatten less upon impact such as steel vs lead will cause the bullet to have less surface area exposed to the armor while penetrating, which would result in more penetration.
The faster the projectile, the more effective against (soft) body armor. That's the entire point of 5.7
I want to know what situation would you need to be worried about for 30-06 AP rounds coming your way LOL
There are no rules in the boogaloo.
"The war never ended!" *Loads 1903 with black tips*
I tend to get stupid at the range and wander down to check my target during live fire.
What about the lvl 3a+ and the FRAS doubled up in the vest?
Might not fit in the carrier first of all. You could try. Let us know how it goes.
Joseph Herd he ment vest over vest. Or possibly just a panel over panel test fire to see what it can stop.
I mean if you really want to wear 35lb of armor that's 5" thick, go for it. The FRAS does have plate slots though, so that might be the better option. Cheaper, lighter, not as bulky and probably better protection too.
What's the price and shelf life?
Ross M. $1600-$2000 and they warranty for five years.
Is FRAS only for the US?
Nope! We can ship it outside of the US.
Too shame FRAS only available in US. Looks like great armor
Check out Stealth Armor System. They may sell outside US. Not sure.
We can ship outside the US. No problem!
@@SafeLifeDefenseBodyArmor WOW I thought ITAR Ban that! Can you guys ship it to S.Korea?
FRAS is available in Canada.
Bandwagon
Mmm.
This is a SUPERIOR video in comparison with the others. NOTICE how he isn't decked out in SafeLife apparel? He's not distorting info based on endorsements, sponsors..free products etc. Other vids are NOT 100% accurate, transparent or genuine..period. This was. Don't wanna dish out the $$$ for FRAS? Grab a $300 soft vest from safe life, bulletsafe etc. and throw a HESCO ceramic plate or 2 in it. Around 600 bucks after taxes.
I buys from Wish , L 3 $30 to $70 . I can buy 4 , 2 at the front 2 at the back.
The public thinks the rifle plates look too militaristic...So glad I got out of Law Enforcement last year...tell the public to go truck themselves over safety issues you Chiefs and Sheriffs out there.
LEOs are to be servants to the people. Not pit masters. Public perception alters interactions and ability to perform investigations.
FRAS is facebook trash. There's a reason DragonSkin isn't around anymore
Yes there is a reason why dragonskin isn't around. It's price point was in the several thousands and weighed in at ~47lbs. This is ~16lbs at $1,600+\-. While dragonskin is nice and can stop a lot, it's also cumbersome and heavy. FRAS is fairly revolutionary. But maybe not to some internet warrior like yourself.
Guess Uncle Sam is an internet warrior to eh? All those gov contracts FRAS has right? Oh nvm. Back to mommy’s basement with you
So what you’re saying is the best funded military in the world won’t use it because it’s trash? With no evidence otherwise. Nice try little man
bryanscle well let's see... I never said it was trash. Expensive? Yes. Heavy? Yes. Trash? No. But you have to remember the military outfits their grunts with what's called a combat load(all equipment necessary to engage in combat), and an existing load (all equipment necessary for their continued operation in a region). In combination we are talking 125~150lbs now swich a 30lb armor system with one at 47lbs that's undue load on the soldiers. Not to mention they already spend 18k PER SOLDIER. Plus It simply did not pass the military trials. I did hear the CIA ordered a batch of dragonskin but they don't have to lug around +100lbs of weight. So educate yourself before you embarrass yourself "little man"
P.s. Anything you try to attack me with personally I'm just going to assume is you projecting your insecurities. So just stop trying to make personal attacks it makes you look weak.
Colt .45 2 Zigzags Uh you do realize you started the name calling right? Lol. Anyways little man, it can’t pass tests means it’s trash. Thanks.